/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/13/#ubuntu-us-pa.txt

MobileTurkeyping pong00:37
MobileTurkeyit's 8:30 and i finally put pants on.00:37
rmg51I took mine off :-D00:39
teddy-dbearI never wear them00:41
MobileTurkeywhat are pants?00:43
teddy-dbearlook down00:45
teddy-dbearit's what your wearing silly00:45
MobileTurkeyevery time I start hanging out with a group I agree with i get more polarized...00:53
MobileTurkeyI watched the temperature of the CPU drop like Rush Limbaugh's advertisers. LOL02:28
MobileTurkeyhttp://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/410262/march-08-2012/exclusive---don-fleming--elvis-costello---emmylou-harris----goodnight--irene-02:50
MobileTurkeygreat clip02:50
MobileTurkeyhttp://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/410257/march-08-2012/don-fleming--elvis-costello---emmylou-harris----good-old-mountain-dew-02:52
MobileTurkeyalso02:52
cythespleia2: Mind a PM?03:25
pleia2cythes: go for it03:28
pleia2(and do I know you? :))03:28
cythesI am sure you do ;)03:54
Sadingod i love NodeJS03:57
=== jackson_ is now known as jackson
InHisNameGood morning04:54
Sadinmorning InHisName05:00
Sadinnow night everyone PSSA's tomorrow i swear no child left behind is hindering my school so much....05:00
InHisNameHave a fun time with your PSSAs05:02
InHisNameMy compiz has swelled from 42MB usage to 735MB.   I can reboot to reset it, but is there a lesser way to do the same thing ?05:33
cythesAnyone here know how to get irssi to connect to two networks at once?05:55
cythesI could not figure it out before and I figured there is no shame in asking.05:55
cythes__hmm06:04
pleia2cythes: just /connect irc.othernet.org06:06
cythesNow for automation.06:06
cythesBe back in a few06:23
cythespleia2: I proud of myself...06:29
cythesI got it figured out with auto channeling.06:30
pleia2:D06:30
cythesNow if I could just change the key bindings in i3 lol06:30
cythesFixed!06:36
cythesbrb again06:36
cythesWell that was easy... not to reconfigure urxvt... Q.Q06:38
cythesWell again brb I'ma try something...06:42
cythesAnd now it is totally fixed!06:44
cythes<3 this now!!06:44
rmg51Morning09:56
MobileTurkeywaltman: do you have an extra mouse pad?15:04
waltmanno15:10
ChinnoDogSeems like there should be a punch line15:16
MutantTurkeyTWIST IT, SHAKE IT SHAKE IT SHAKE IT BABY.15:16
adompeople still use mousepads?15:17
adomi hate those things15:17
JonathanDI do.15:17
JonathanDGlass desk.15:17
adomgot a storage closest with a 3ft high stack of them in there15:17
adomahh15:17
adomfair enough15:17
adombut otherwise15:17
adommeh15:17
MutantTurkeyI need one as well.15:18
MutantTurkeyloud annoying mouse15:18
adomI do have a nice Deftones mousepad i got a long time ago, but i use that at home on the dresser for my keys and wallet when i get home.15:18
aurigusi do but it is kind of stank15:18
aurigusserious ubuntu question15:18
MutantTurkeyserious questions?15:18
* EvilResistance gives MutantTurkey a "Republican National Committee" mouse pad.15:18
adomsrs bzns15:18
EvilResistancethat's all i got :/15:18
MutantTurkeyi'll take it.15:18
MutantTurkeysold to the man in the burger suit.15:19
aurigusnever mind answered my own question15:19
aurigusnevermind, i'm an idiot15:20
aurigusso my office uses Kerio for our mail server.15:20
aurigusI can use pop/smtp or whatever, but i would rather use the exchangish features.15:20
MutantTurkeyyes?15:20
aurigusthey have a client but only for Windows and Mac15:21
aurigusam I SOL?15:21
EvilResistanceaurigus, you might be...15:21
EvilResistanceaurigus, yo ucould try in Wine or Mono, but you might not get good results15:21
adomsearch for open-source linux clones/alternatives to the client software online?15:22
adomsourceforge, etc15:23
MutantTurkeyexchangish features?15:23
MutantTurkeydoesn't kmail support that sort of thing....?15:23
aurigusyeah like if i want to use calendars/shared calendars15:24
MutantTurkeyyeah I can do that with trinity's kmail i'm pretty sure15:24
MutantTurkeylike sync to my google mail15:24
MutantTurkeyof course I don't need it, hell I don't even use a email client othe than mutt15:24
aurigushmm, that sounds like a lot of work15:25
MutantTurkeyi dunno15:25
MutantTurkeyi'ma try it out15:25
MutantTurkeyapparently it's easy15:26
MutantTurkeyI just don't have a calender to test it with15:26
aurigussync to gmail15:26
MutantTurkeygmail or google calander?15:26
EvilResistanceeither hor15:27
EvilResistanceor*15:27
EvilResistancethey're the same15:27
MutantTurkeytrying it out15:27
MutantTurkeyi have gmail syncing15:27
aurigusIs Kmail any good. Honestly I havent found a client that is as good as Outlook for *real* office productivity15:27
MutantTurkeykmail2 sucks as far as I am concerned15:27
EvilResistanceThunderbird, or Evolution15:27
MutantTurkeythey're at what? kde4.8 and it still crashes all over the place15:27
MutantTurkeythunderbird++15:27
MutantTurkeythe original kontact/kmail15:27
MutantTurkeyit's so well integrated15:27
aurigusi use thunderbird at home for archival purposes15:28
MutantTurkeycalander, feeds, todo,  contacts, journal, notes.15:28
=== Joe_CoT is now known as wytchfinder_too
aurigusI like how when you look at sharing a calendar via thunderbird, it says to install mod_dav on your own apache server.15:29
=== wytchfinder_too is now known as Joe_CoT
aurigusGreat for geeks, not so great for Joe/Jane office user who just wants to share a calendar15:29
aurigus:)15:29
MutantTurkeyyeah :/15:30
aurigusi think there is a huge opening for a consumer software company selling software like that15:35
aurigusthe problem is that you have to make it open source because of licensing15:35
JonathanDYou're selling the service (now you don't need mod_dav on your own apache server) and not the software.15:37
JonathanDThe software can be what it is.15:38
adomhttp://theoatmeal.com/comics/bacon_love15:43
MutantTurkeyeveryone on reddit.15:46
MutantTurkeyhttp://lyrics.wikia.com/The_Blues_Brothers:Soul_Finger16:21
MutantTurkeywho comes up with those great speeches16:21
waltmanMutantTurkey: A man. With a lot of soul. A "soul man", one might say.17:28
MutantTurkeyso deep17:28
MutantTurkey:p17:28
cythesHello UBUNTU!17:45
MutantTurkeyhello...17:45
MutantTurkeywhut17:45
cythesAlright, much better. Irssi configed!... I'll work on themeing and cool things later... Then again I might just Hijack pleia2's r2d2 theme lol17:47
MutantTurkeyr2d2++17:47
cytheshaha17:49
cythesMutantTurkey: Other then figuring out how to get my wallpaper to load up automatically LOl I think that is an xinit issue more then anything. the file is there just not running on start up.17:52
MutantTurkeywhat program are you using?17:53
cythesfeh17:53
MutantTurkeylol17:53
MutantTurkeyokay17:53
MutantTurkeypastebin your xinit17:53
pleia2cythes you are alexanderazimov?17:53
MutantTurkeypleia2: yes17:53
cythespleia2: Yes17:53
pleia2k :)17:53
cythesI have since adventured out into the nets in search of knowlege traveled through a few stargates and have since come back with more then I knew before!17:54
pleia2hehe17:54
jedijfat least someone has17:54
cythesAlright let me get that for you MutantTurkey17:54
MutantTurkeyokay17:54
MutantTurkeytest the command at the prompt17:54
MutantTurkeybefore sticking it in your xinitrc17:54
cythesI did17:55
cythesit works just fine.17:55
MutantTurkeyokay paste it17:55
cythesjust a second lol17:55
cythesUh... how do I paste in irssi?17:56
cythesxD17:57
pleia2centerclick17:57
jedijfgo back to your travels17:57
MutantTurkeydon't paste it here.17:57
cythesI dont have one.... laptop.17:57
MutantTurkeystop17:57
MutantTurkeypaste into a pastebin...17:57
MutantTurkeythen copy the link17:57
MutantTurkeyyeesh17:57
cythesYeah I am trying to get you the link lol17:57
cythes[#ubuntu-us-pa]17:57
MutantTurkeymiddle click..17:57
cythesK...17:57
jedijfright click paste17:57
cytheshttp://pastebin.com/pv9tVizV17:58
jedijfhe haz no middle17:58
cythesOh... well apparently if I press both mouse keys down it does the same thing lol17:58
jedijfyes, that too17:58
MutantTurkeythats the problem.18:00
cytheswhat?18:00
MutantTurkeysh ~./fehbg18:00
MutantTurkeywhat....?18:01
MutantTurkeyis fehbg a script or what?18:01
MutantTurkeywhere is it?18:01
MutantTurkeynot ~/.fehbg?18:01
cythesIt is in my home folder... and it is as it is..18:01
cythesDude you said RTFM I did lol18:01
MutantTurkeyis it executable (chmod +x?) and it will wait for dmenu....18:01
MutantTurkey~/.fehbg and ~./fehbg are different18:01
cythesoh.... O.o brb!!18:02
MutantTurkeyduh18:02
MutantTurkey:-)18:02
* cythes TO THE LAB!!18:02
cytheswell brb then lol18:03
MutantTurkeywaltman: she caught the katy... wow awesome song.18:07
cythesWell it did not work.... Q.Q oh well I dont really mind not haveing a BG xD18:12
cythesNot that I am giving up, I'm just going to take a break from it.18:13
MutantTurkeywhatt18:14
MutantTurkeylol18:14
MutantTurkeyit shouldnt be so hard :/18:14
cythesDude, nothing should be as hard as it is lol18:15
MutantTurkeyright on18:15
cythesI'm going to try one more thing..18:18
cythesLike loading up the actuall command in xinit.18:18
MutantTurkey....18:18
MutantTurkeyyeah18:18
MutantTurkeywhy aren't you?18:18
cythesI was using a shortened version of the command.18:19
cythesMaybe the full version will be just as well off.18:19
cythesbrb18:19
cythesNo dice lol18:22
MutantTurkeylol18:28
MutantTurkeyusing full paths?18:28
MutantTurkeythat dmenu_run won't let it load until dmenu run has executed.18:29
cythesFixed!18:39
cythesNow to do some themeing in IRSSI then I am all good!18:39
MutantTurkeygood work18:40
cythesOh yeah thanks man! I have a really cool image of the Major from Ghost in the shell in the BG.18:42
cythesActually its the same one in my only i3 screenshot in G+ lol18:43
cythesNow to learn vim18:43
MutantTurkeyvery good18:43
MutantTurkeyuse the vim tutorial.18:43
MutantTurkeyit's really great.18:43
MutantTurkeyare you a touch typer? and a "proper" typer?18:44
cythesI need to look down every so often but I can get things done quick enough.18:44
MutantTurkeyit really helps to have that down as well. I didn't have that down perfectly, and so I didnt _get_ the shortcuts, they were generally counterintutitve to me at that point18:44
MutantTurkeynow I love them18:44
MutantTurkeyalso you can custom bind stuff18:44
MutantTurkeyso look around at vim extensions and cool vimrc's18:44
cythesQuestion I know you showed me your bad-ass vim set up when I was in here last time...  xD Yeah I was going to say lol anything for auto completion/18:45
MutantTurkeyctags?18:45
MutantTurkeyyes.18:45
cythesI mean if I wanted to learn python or even bash.18:45
cythesSpeaking of I need to go wait for the SS dept to call me.18:46
cythesbe back in a few.18:47
MutantTurkeyokay18:47
adomquick question: whats /dev/sr018:47
adomcdrom?18:48
ChinnoDogyes18:49
MutantTurkeyaye18:49
ChinnoDog/dev/cdrom is linked to it18:49
adomthought so thx18:49
adomya18:49
adomcoworker narrowed a problem there and i wanted to double check it was the cdrom18:49
MutantTurkeywhat sort of co workers are these18:51
MutantTurkeyI miss having coworkers18:51
MutantTurkeyworking alone is lonely18:58
adomGAs Graduate Assistants. they work on thesis work and projects while helping around here via a desk in one of the classrooms.19:04
adomthis one GA happens to be a bit proficient with computers so we give him some bitch work like reseating RAM, etc19:04
* pleia2 passes the swear jar to adom 19:04
adomin their normal hours they help students reset passwords, print documents, print big i2 chart posters on our plotter (DesignJet).19:05
* adom takes out a quarter.19:05
adom*kerplunk*19:05
* adom puts in a dollar for later. ;)19:05
MutantTurkeymy jar is full19:07
adomTACO TUESDAY THEN!19:07
MutantTurkeyjedijf: I've been musing on DCC and video chat over IRC19:07
cythesMutantTurkey: I can try to work with you lol19:09
MutantTurkeyyeah It'd be cool19:09
MutantTurkeyI need to learn about DCC a bit more19:09
SadinMutantTurkey found a nice little module for node im going to try out on my app check it https://github.com/learnboost/cluster19:09
adomvideo over IRC? that's rediculous.19:10
MutantTurkeyadom: why?19:10
ChinnoDogDCC is a direct connection. You can send anything over it19:10
adom90% of people on IRC are sitting at home in their underpants. no one needs to see that.19:10
MutantTurkeynot any more ridiculous than video over a proprietary format...19:10
MutantTurkey100% of people on IRC are sitting home in their underpants19:10
ChinnoDogThe problem with video chat over IRC is creating a standard that other people will follow an dimplement19:10
MutantTurkeyor at work in their underpants.19:10
MutantTurkeyChinnoDog: implement it in one19:10
cythesMutantTurkey: I am not.19:10
ChinnoDogMutantTurkey: but, I would have to stop using irssi19:11
adomill implement something in your underpants...19:11
ChinnoDoglol19:11
cythesI am actually wearing my "Work" gear. xD aka = dress pants / shirt.19:11
MutantTurkeyhehe19:11
* cythes is the 1%19:11
cythesxD19:11
ChinnoDogIRC video extension. If you make it, they will come.19:11
ChinnoDogBut only if you make it easy. Programmers are lazy.19:12
cythesIts been done on every other chat out there... I'm sure it can be done here. Question is how?19:12
JonathanDSimple.19:12
MutantTurkeyhow?19:12
MutantTurkeyjust pick a video stream19:12
MutantTurkeyand send the data19:12
cythesBY chat I mean AIM / MSN ETC19:13
JonathanDpretty much that.19:13
ChinnoDogMutantTurkey: I imagine you would create a new DCC command that would patch through the video stream19:13
MutantTurkeyyes19:13
JonathanDYou could have paid and free video host services for it.19:13
MutantTurkeythat would be it19:13
MutantTurkeyit would have a endless stream19:13
JonathanDYou would send the link, probably via CTCP19:13
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: but it's peer to peer19:13
JonathanDand the client would connect to it.19:13
JonathanDMutantTurkey: peer to peer is a lot harder.19:13
ChinnoDog /dcc videochat19:13
MutantTurkeyno need for intermediate19:13
MutantTurkeythats DDC right?19:13
MutantTurkeyor DCC19:13
MutantTurkeydirect client to client...?19:14
JonathanDMutantTurkey: DCC doesn't work for most clients anymore.19:14
MutantTurkeythen the peer would receive the video stream and pipe it over to a display program19:14
JonathanDit requires pre-defined, opened, forwarded ports.19:14
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: what!19:14
MutantTurkeyit works for me?19:14
JonathanDMutantTurkey: it's very rare for it to work.19:14
ChinnoDogDCC anything requires ports19:14
JonathanDyup.19:14
JonathanDso most clients won't be able to support it via DCC, which is why I suggest an intermediary.19:15
MutantTurkeyintermediary will hold it back from adoption.19:15
JonathanDRather, multiple intermediaries, and CTCP to point to the correct one.19:15
MutantTurkeyi am set on dcc.19:15
ChinnoDogYea. if you created a G+ hangout extension people would resist because it wasn't open enough19:15
JonathanDMutantTurkey: the whole "not working" thing will hold back dcc adoption.19:15
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: I don't understand why it doesn't work?19:15
MutantTurkeyit works for me :[19:15
JonathanDMutantTurkey: because open ports.19:15
cythesI am curius now... O.o19:16
MutantTurkeymy ports are open!19:16
JonathanDMutantTurkey: good for you.19:16
cythesThat is what she said O.o?19:16
JonathanDYou'll  be the one person who can use it.19:16
JonathanD:P19:16
MutantTurkey:p19:16
JonathanDGuys I found our intermediary, it'll be MutantTurkey19:16
JonathanDhe'll handle all the connections.19:16
MutantTurkey:p19:16
cythesTurk's got enough on his plate lol19:16
MutantTurkeydcc is so much more appealing19:16
JonathanDMutantTurkey: so all your ports are open?19:17
MutantTurkeyno19:17
adomin your underpants19:17
cythesadom: LOLZ19:17
MutantTurkeymy port is definitely closed off...19:17
adomis that bot still in here?19:17
MutantTurkeyadom: get out of here19:17
MutantTurkey:p19:17
MutantTurkey!next19:17
MutantTurkey@next19:17
MutantTurkeynext?19:17
MutantTurkeyno.19:17
MutantTurkeyit's not19:17
* JonathanD does a portscan on MutantTurkey 19:17
adom:(19:17
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: please send results...19:17
JonathanDMutantTurkey: for reals?19:17
JonathanDk19:17
cythesxD19:18
MutantTurkeyjust wondering19:18
adomMutantTurkey has alias/mask. how'd you get ip?19:18
MutantTurkeyI don't have an alias19:18
adomi cant see ip19:18
cythesI know 80 22 21 6667 6697 and a few others are still open on mine.19:18
adomnvm i got it19:19
adomi can paste results here19:19
adomif u wants19:19
cytheshttp , ssh , irc19:19
JonathanDMutantTurkey: http://www.ircpolitics.org/tech/linksys-dcc.html btw.19:19
MutantTurkeythanks19:19
JonathanDThis is an idea of what most people would have to go through, and why it wouldn't work.19:19
adommutantturkey: 53, 111, 135, 139, 445, 593, 1025, 1080, 1433, 1434, 3128 open19:20
MutantTurkeyhuh19:20
JonathanDadom: those are filtered, not open.19:20
adomya sorry19:20
adomthat19:20
adomheadin out to second job later all19:20
JonathanDOf course, there is no "DCC Port" to check for.19:20
Joe_CoTI expected this comment when I opened this thread, reddit did not disappoint http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/quqnr/bestfind_at_walmartever/c40mf1l19:20
aurigusyes portscan me too!19:21
JonathanDportscan everyone!19:21
aurigusTCP SYN?19:21
aurigusUDP?19:21
Joe_CoTbah, wrong channel :-/19:22
JonathanDaurigus: you has a cloak, though.19:22
jedijfcythes: move ssh to another port19:22
Joe_CoTpay no attention to the man behind the curtian19:22
* cythes will pass on the port scan.19:22
cythesjedijf: How?19:22
JonathanDcythes: crowbar.19:22
jedijfcythes there already hammering 2219:22
aurigusmost of my servers will ban you after you scan a couple of ports anyway19:22
JonathanDcythes: make sure you spackle over the old port, though.19:23
JonathanDaurigus: should I try anyway, then ;)19:23
jedijfgo to sshd config change port and root login to no restart ssh19:23
aurigusalso turn off root and password based login19:23
jedijfport to diferent #19:23
cythesSo instead of saying 22 when I do it just connect from another number?19:24
aurigususe -p 8022 or whatever19:24
jedijfcythes: ssh cyth@xyz -p 222219:24
cythesAlright.19:24
JonathanDit helps a tiny bit.19:24
aurigusjedijf: how did you guess my super secret management port19:24
jedijfJonathanD: it helps an infinite amount; you'd be surprised19:25
jedijfaurigus: haha yep19:25
jedijf222 2222 133719:25
aurigusyeah automated scans all check 2219:26
aurigusnah 2222 is default directadmin port19:26
cythesHmm19:26
aurigusnot ssh19:26
jedijfeven though /everyone/ knows that 1337 should be nc backdoor only19:26
auriguswasnt that the backorifice port?19:26
MutantTurkeywaltman: do you know gaylord?19:26
waltmanYes.19:26
MutantTurkeyhe's either a professor or the sysadmin19:26
MutantTurkeywhat is his job?19:26
waltmanthe latter19:26
MutantTurkeyhis room number?19:26
MutantTurkey133719:26
MutantTurkey:p19:26
MutantTurkeyheh19:27
waltmanI know where his office is, but I don't know the number.19:27
waltmanhttps://www.cs.drexel.edu/users/csstaff19:27
MutantTurkeyfurniture mover.19:27
MutantTurkeylol19:27
cythesYeah i dont even have ssh on here yet lol19:29
aurigusno ssh!!19:30
auriguswhats the deb package for nfs?19:32
aurigusfound it: apt-get install nfs-common19:33
MutantTurkeyi hate debian and ubuntu package names19:33
JonathanDso anyway MutantTurkey19:33
jedijfapt-file ftw19:33
MutantTurkeyso counter intuitive19:33
MutantTurkeypacman ftw.19:33
JonathanDintermediary is superior to DCC19:33
MutantTurkeyend of discussion19:33
aurigusy not apt-get search19:33
aurigusgrrr19:33
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: is that viable though?19:33
JonathanDMutantTurkey: absolutely.19:33
MutantTurkeyhmmm okay19:33
MutantTurkeybut no one would pay for it.19:34
JonathanDThey don't have to.19:34
JonathanDBuild a protocol for it.19:34
JonathanDdead-simple.19:34
JonathanDand let others deploy it.19:34
MutantTurkeyah19:34
JonathanDit becomes like... etherpad.19:34
MutantTurkeygood idea19:34
jedijfaurigus: apt-file will tell you package app is in19:34
JonathanDanyone can run one.19:34
MutantTurkeyi love etherpad :-)19:34
jedijfvery helpful19:34
MutantTurkeypacman does everything for you....19:34
MutantTurkeyversus the apt-hell system19:34
aurigusgotta use that i guess19:34
MutantTurkeybtw19:34
JonathanDMutantTurkey: some people might opt to charge for "high bandwidth" ones or such.19:34
aurigusim used to yum19:34
JonathanDMutantTurkey: or apply ads before the stream starts.19:34
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: right then you could downsample quality and stuff19:34
MutantTurkeybased on that19:35
JonathanDBut you can choose which one you connect to, so it doesn't matter.19:35
MutantTurkeyor apply ads during the stream.19:35
JonathanDand you would pass something like an etherpad link via ctcp19:35
MutantTurkeyright19:35
MutantTurkeyI got it19:35
JonathanDanyway.19:36
MutantTurkeythats on my ideas list19:36
JonathanDIf you build it, they may or may not come.19:36
MutantTurkeythey will come19:36
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: so then a server could aggregate the video streams, for multi person chat19:37
MutantTurkeyjust return one larger video stream...19:37
JonathanDI suppose it could19:37
MutantTurkeyfor example it would also return the video of you in the bottom right hand corner19:37
MutantTurkeyeverything else would be a plain video stream, so you could pipe it into like mplayer or vlc19:37
cythesMutantTurkey: what do you use for music again? I know we use the same thing lol19:40
MutantTurkeymocp19:41
MutantTurkey...19:41
SadinYEAH ordering this today XD http://shop.github.com/products/octocat-hoodie19:45
MutantTurkeyoh jelly19:47
cythesso linux gaming is about to get better... Since it seems Nvida Might be crapping out an open source driver here soon.19:50
MutantTurkeyit's already crapped out many crappy drives19:50
JonathanDpeople have to actually port the games though, too.19:50
MutantTurkeyyeah...19:50
MutantTurkeyI don't see why they don't though, once you have mac support...19:50
cythesYeah but now it is part of the linux foundation which means this just got real.19:51
MutantTurkeyisn't mac all openGL as well?19:51
MutantTurkeycythes: doesn't mean crap19:51
MutantTurkeythat is just a token19:51
MutantTurkeyi'll wait till they have good support.19:51
MutantTurkeyand open drivers.19:51
MutantTurkeyto delcare them "linux heros"19:51
JonathanDand games to play on them ;)19:51
cythesI really want to see Medal of Honor spearhead ported over... its 10 years old now xD but I still play it sing my friends dad runs a gaming clan for it.19:52
aurigusstarting to think gaming on linux is a lost cause19:52
cythesWell really what is linux built for?19:52
aurigusservers!19:52
cythesThere is a reason gaming on it is a hard core pain in the ass.19:53
aurigusim mining bitcoins on a linux server, that was a pain to set up but is really stable19:54
aurigusthat summarizes my entire linux experience19:54
cythesThe way I see it Linux is built for servers / programmers / hackers. Mac is for business and graphics / video editing. And windows well...It good for waiting to see how long you can last till you get a virus. (Actually its great for gaming..)19:54
cythesBitcoins?19:54
MutantTurkeywindows is great for business and many other things19:56
MutantTurkeyhence why people are using...19:56
JonathanDWindows is (relatively) easy to manage for businesses.19:56
MutantTurkeyand people are familiar with it19:56
MutantTurkeyplus it as great application support19:57
JonathanDLinux can be better there in lots of ways, but I think... yeah, the familiarity, the applications availability, wins it for many.19:57
JonathanD(for windows, I mean)19:57
cythesYeah but no one will ever get into something new with out steping out of their comfort zones lol19:57
JonathanDbusinesses don't like to step out of their comfort zones.19:57
JonathanDWhat we have, works, and we'll keep using it while it does.19:57
cythesThen again, I like most linux distros with gnome or something since it simply has everything catagorized for you...19:58
cythesJonathanD: Break it lol19:58
cythesWith a sledge hammer.19:58
MutantTurkeybut why would the step out?19:58
JonathanDcythes: the "we" there was the hypothetical business.19:58
cythesThen install arch on a toaster and prove how much better it is.19:58
JonathanDnot me :p19:58
MutantTurkeyit's so much easier to use windows...19:58
JonathanDMutantTurkey: I think for a business large enough to replace a lot of the scripting and deployment functionality, linux could win out.19:59
MutantTurkeythough I am thinking I would like to run a startup company in philly to support Linux for small scale businesses19:59
JonathanDAnd also for one small enough not to need it in the first place.19:59
JonathanDgroup policy is hard to replicate.19:59
MutantTurkeyis that idea viable? also do they already exist?19:59
JonathanDprobably. But do it anyway.20:00
jedijfgoogle linuxforce20:01
JonathanDoh yes, linuxforce20:01
JonathanDforgot about them.20:01
MutantTurkeylook at their website...20:01
MutantTurkeyhttp://linuxforce.net/20:01
MutantTurkeyso20:01
MutantTurkeydon't trust them...20:01
jedijfor bucky fuller20:01
cythesMutantTurkey: a year and a half ago I was happy using ubuntu. I like it it all worked out of the box, Then the switch to unity. I did not realise "Wait its linux I can just tinker with it." No I went else where. Long story short I got tired of it being easy. I wanted to learn not be spoon feed... so I switched to arch at your request and my other friends. I love arch it keeps me on my toes :) This is not to bash ubuntu, ubuntu is still my first pick for no20:01
MutantTurkey"Tuesday,   13   March   201" they have a javascript date applet...20:02
MutantTurkeylol20:02
cythesJust it was time for fight club to move out of the basement lol.20:03
MutantTurkeyJonathanD: I think it's a good idea20:03
JonathanDMutantTurkey: you should do it in norristown, though.20:03
JonathanDor conshohocken.20:03
* JonathanD nods20:03
MutantTurkeydo you think people would go for it? I have a guy who's interested to back me financially.20:03
MutantTurkeywhy there?20:03
cythesMutantTurkey: Now there is an idea I would like to get on20:03
JonathanDMutantTurkey: obviously so I could work with you, and have a short commute.20:03
JonathanD:P20:03
MutantTurkeyright on :p20:03
jedijffor accuracy sake, ubuntu is what you make it, alternate install cd and cli only install is similar to an arch install in an ubuntu way..upstart etc, but still offers all of the learning20:03
MutantTurkeyubuntu is no longer what you make it it is what they decide20:04
MutantTurkeybecause each release they swap out system critical components with new and untested things...20:04
jedijfreddit speak ^20:04
MutantTurkeyunity was a sham to push out so early...20:04
MutantTurkeyupstart? oh gosh20:04
cythesMutantTurkey: Yeah but with respect, If unity was not pushed out so early it would not be as upto date as it is now.20:05
jedijfit had to e done eventually, better sooner than later, people never accept change or progress, escept us few enlighterned20:05
jedijfexcept20:05
jedijfkill the r, even though phonetically i may like the sound of it there20:05
cythesUnity has come a LONG was in the last year and a half to the point I almost considered using it just to give it a shot.20:05
cythesway*20:06
cythesWow... 1.5 year and I still fail at typing lol20:06
MutantTurkey1.5 years to soon.20:06
MutantTurkeyjedijf: I like people to roll out finished goods20:06
MutantTurkeynot half baked ones20:06
MutantTurkeyunity should have been provided optionally, as a beta testing20:06
cythesTurk did you know that linux was half baked when it first came out?20:07
jedijfpar_baked++20:07
=== Joe_CoT is now known as watchflounder
cythesThe ONLY reason Linus kept working on it was because he killed his main partition so he was forced to finish linux.20:07
MutantTurkeydid you know it wasn't backed by a rich fatcat who dumps millions of dollars into his company?20:07
=== watchflounder is now known as Joe_CoT
MutantTurkeycythes: believe what you want.20:08
cythesHmmm some one is getting a little defencive. xD20:08
cythesBy the way those were words from the mans mouth himself at a Q&A back in 2002.20:09
cythesHowever I do agree about shuttleworth there MutantTurkey I dont think anyone in here really likes him.20:09
MutantTurkeylol he's the guy...20:10
cythesI was talking about Torvalds. xD Shuttleworth can blast his ass into space for all I care. Yeah humanity to all and what not... but still20:12
MutantTurkeyit's a business, so basically if you don't fit ubuntu's business model, you don't fit into their future20:12
cythesPretty much.20:12
MutantTurkeybasically canonicalls response to people who don't want unity has been 'well suck it"20:12
MutantTurkeyanyway20:13
cythesLol all of this in the ubuntu channel.. Man I can just feel about 20 eyes glaring at us from across the net lol20:13
MutantTurkeypft20:14
cythesI could also be wrong. xD20:14
ssweenyprobably a good idea to check WHOIS on folks in the channel before you berate their company too :)20:39
MobileTurkeywho's working for cannoncal?20:40
MobileTurkeylamalex?20:40
lamalexi am20:40
lamalexyes20:40
MobileTurkeyhey I berate company decsions not individuals.20:40
MobileTurkeylamalex: it's all your fault, you rolled out unity before it was fully functional!20:40
MobileTurkeyi blame you!20:40
lamalexok20:40
lamalexi couldn't care less dude20:41
MobileTurkey:p20:41
MobileTurkeyexactly20:41
lamalexnot that i speak for canonical here, but if you don't like unity, suck it20:41
MobileTurkeyexactly i said that.20:41
lamalexi know20:41
MobileTurkeyAt least we're on the same page.20:42
lamalexi can read holmes20:42
lamalexwhy would we spend a bunch of money on stuff that isn't our strategic direction?20:42
lamalexubuntu is very much DIY, if YOU want something else, YOU can package it, write, and get it into universe20:42
MobileTurkeyI agree - it's all about strategy and target audience.20:43
lamalexright20:43
lamalexwe're a company20:43
lamalexwe gotta make dollars20:43
lamalexand come on20:44
MobileTurkeyexactly!20:44
lamalexunity is at least as functional as whatever other crappy desktop on linux you could use that is 1 year old20:44
MobileTurkeywhy 1 year old?20:44
lamalexunity is a year old dude!20:44
MobileTurkeymy complaint was that they rolled it out to early.20:44
MobileTurkeyoh20:44
lamalexwell i guess 18 months now20:44
MobileTurkeyI think users like to see a stable desktop above innovation20:45
MobileTurkeyso that was a mistake in strategy, in my opinion20:45
lamalexusers dont know their ass from their elbow20:45
MobileTurkeymany linux users switched to other distros because they were dissatisfied20:45
lamalexright but no one cares about that20:45
lamalexsorry guys20:45
MobileTurkeyright20:45
lamalexnot our target audience20:45
MobileTurkeywhich is why I use arch20:45
MobileTurkey:p20:45
JonathanDjust got new floorplans for our office :D20:46
MobileTurkeygotta catch ze train20:46
JonathanDlamalex: btw we blame you for everything.20:46
JonathanDYOU and just you.20:46
MobileTurkeyhe dropped the cookies?20:46
MobileTurkey>:|20:46
JonathanDHe did.20:47
MobileTurkeyI'm out.20:47
JonathanDAnd I'm pretty sure he also made the fingerprint login all... weird.20:47
lamalexJonathanD, you still owe me a hoagie dude20:47
lamalexdont push it20:47
JonathanDlamalex: you can have a hoagie as soon as the fingerprint login is less weird ;)20:47
JonathanDI could go for a hoagie, actually.20:48
lamalexget 2 and fedex one20:48
JonathanDlamalex: come see me on saturday, I'll get you a hoagie.20:48
JonathanDand me.20:48
JonathanDI'll be somewhere in philadelphia.20:48
lamalexim gonna be in maine20:51
lamalexare you 21 yet20:51
JonathanDI'm 30.20:51
lamalexright who am i thinking of20:54
lamalexyou dont' owe me a hoagie20:54
JonathanDI owe someone a hoagie, though.20:54
lamalexhaha20:54
JonathanDI don't remember who.20:54
lamalexjedijf, what was that kid's name who owes me a cheesesteak who used to hang out in here20:55
lamalexirishman something??20:55
JonathanDluke?20:55
lamalexyes20:55
lamalexthat's it20:55
lamalexkid owes me a steak sandwich20:55
lamalexi intend to collect20:55
JonathanDI can see how you would confuse that with JonathanD. The letters are like, right next to each other.20:55
lamalexthere was another younger kid20:56
lamalexwhose name is jonathan? i think20:56
lamalexyah20:56
lamalexwho i though you were20:56
lamalexi dont remember his nick20:56
JonathanDheh :)20:57
JonathanDrmg51: morning.20:58
rmg51morning JonathanD20:58
JonathanDHow goes?20:58
rmg51bit late aren't you?20:58
JonathanDYou're the one who just got here.20:58
rmg51but I know what time it is ;-)20:59
rmg51it's dinner time :-D20:59
JonathanDI'm not even slightly hungry.20:59
JonathanDHad a really awesome burrito for lunch.21:00
rmg51by the time I cook something I'll be hungrey21:01
ChinnoDogall I've had is waffles and a couple hot drinks today21:06
* ChinnoDog eats a horse21:06
pleia2waffles++21:08
Sadinhttp://sparkzdev.jit.su/ :D now to make it actually do something lol21:12
Sadinbut so far i <3 node21:12
Sadinafk for drumline see you all later21:13
SamuraiAlbaGood bacon to all!21:32
JonathanDevening critters23:14
rmg51lamalex: you must be thinking of jthan23:33
jedijflamalex: setting up all your food for when you're back in pa?23:37
jedijfirishmanluke has been more nonexistant than jthan - looks like JonathanD's hoagie might be best bet23:39

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