[00:37] <MobileTurkey> ping pong
[00:37] <MobileTurkey> it's 8:30 and i finally put pants on.
[00:39] <rmg51> I took mine off :-D
[00:41] <teddy-dbear> I never wear them
[00:43] <MobileTurkey> what are pants?
[00:45] <teddy-dbear> look down
[00:45] <teddy-dbear> it's what your wearing silly
[00:53] <MobileTurkey> every time I start hanging out with a group I agree with i get more polarized...
[02:28] <MobileTurkey> I watched the temperature of the CPU drop like Rush Limbaugh's advertisers. LOL
[02:50] <MobileTurkey> http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/410262/march-08-2012/exclusive---don-fleming--elvis-costello---emmylou-harris----goodnight--irene-
[02:50] <MobileTurkey> great clip
[02:52] <MobileTurkey> http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/410257/march-08-2012/don-fleming--elvis-costello---emmylou-harris----good-old-mountain-dew-
[02:52] <MobileTurkey> also
[03:25] <cythes> pleia2: Mind a PM?
[03:28] <pleia2> cythes: go for it
[03:28] <pleia2> (and do I know you? :))
[03:54] <cythes> I am sure you do ;)
[03:57] <Sadin> god i love NodeJS
[04:54] <InHisName> Good morning
[05:00] <Sadin> morning InHisName
[05:00] <Sadin> now night everyone PSSA's tomorrow i swear no child left behind is hindering my school so much....
[05:02] <InHisName> Have a fun time with your PSSAs
[05:33] <InHisName> My compiz has swelled from 42MB usage to 735MB.   I can reboot to reset it, but is there a lesser way to do the same thing ?
[05:55] <cythes> Anyone here know how to get irssi to connect to two networks at once?
[05:55] <cythes> I could not figure it out before and I figured there is no shame in asking.
[06:04] <cythes__> hmm
[06:06] <pleia2> cythes: just /connect irc.othernet.org
[06:06] <cythes> Now for automation.
[06:23] <cythes> Be back in a few
[06:29] <cythes> pleia2: I proud of myself...
[06:30] <cythes> I got it figured out with auto channeling.
[06:30] <pleia2> :D
[06:30] <cythes> Now if I could just change the key bindings in i3 lol
[06:36] <cythes> Fixed!
[06:36] <cythes> brb again
[06:38] <cythes> Well that was easy... not to reconfigure urxvt... Q.Q
[06:42] <cythes> Well again brb I'ma try something...
[06:44] <cythes> And now it is totally fixed!
[06:44] <cythes> <3 this now!!
[09:56] <rmg51> Morning
[15:04] <MobileTurkey> waltman: do you have an extra mouse pad?
[15:10] <waltman> no
[15:16] <ChinnoDog> Seems like there should be a punch line
[15:16] <MutantTurkey> TWIST IT, SHAKE IT SHAKE IT SHAKE IT BABY.
[15:17] <adom> people still use mousepads?
[15:17] <adom> i hate those things
[15:17] <JonathanD> I do.
[15:17] <JonathanD> Glass desk.
[15:17] <adom> got a storage closest with a 3ft high stack of them in there
[15:17] <adom> ahh
[15:17] <adom> fair enough
[15:17] <adom> but otherwise
[15:17] <adom> meh
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> I need one as well.
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> loud annoying mouse
[15:18] <adom> I do have a nice Deftones mousepad i got a long time ago, but i use that at home on the dresser for my keys and wallet when i get home.
[15:18] <aurigus> i do but it is kind of stank
[15:18] <aurigus> serious ubuntu question
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> serious questions?
[15:18]  * EvilResistance gives MutantTurkey a "Republican National Committee" mouse pad.
[15:18] <adom> srs bzns
[15:18] <EvilResistance> that's all i got :/
[15:18] <MutantTurkey> i'll take it.
[15:19] <MutantTurkey> sold to the man in the burger suit.
[15:19] <aurigus> never mind answered my own question
[15:20] <aurigus> nevermind, i'm an idiot
[15:20] <aurigus> so my office uses Kerio for our mail server.
[15:20] <aurigus> I can use pop/smtp or whatever, but i would rather use the exchangish features.
[15:20] <MutantTurkey> yes?
[15:21] <aurigus> they have a client but only for Windows and Mac
[15:21] <aurigus> am I SOL?
[15:21] <EvilResistance> aurigus, you might be...
[15:21] <EvilResistance> aurigus, yo ucould try in Wine or Mono, but you might not get good results
[15:22] <adom> search for open-source linux clones/alternatives to the client software online?
[15:23] <adom> sourceforge, etc
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> exchangish features?
[15:23] <MutantTurkey> doesn't kmail support that sort of thing....?
[15:24] <aurigus> yeah like if i want to use calendars/shared calendars
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> yeah I can do that with trinity's kmail i'm pretty sure
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> like sync to my google mail
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> of course I don't need it, hell I don't even use a email client othe than mutt
[15:25] <aurigus> hmm, that sounds like a lot of work
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> i dunno
[15:25] <MutantTurkey> i'ma try it out
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> apparently it's easy
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> I just don't have a calender to test it with
[15:26] <aurigus> sync to gmail
[15:26] <MutantTurkey> gmail or google calander?
[15:27] <EvilResistance> either hor
[15:27] <EvilResistance> or*
[15:27] <EvilResistance> they're the same
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> trying it out
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> i have gmail syncing
[15:27] <aurigus> Is Kmail any good. Honestly I havent found a client that is as good as Outlook for *real* office productivity
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> kmail2 sucks as far as I am concerned
[15:27] <EvilResistance> Thunderbird, or Evolution
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> they're at what? kde4.8 and it still crashes all over the place
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> thunderbird++
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> the original kontact/kmail
[15:27] <MutantTurkey> it's so well integrated
[15:28] <aurigus> i use thunderbird at home for archival purposes
[15:28] <MutantTurkey> calander, feeds, todo,  contacts, journal, notes.
[15:29] <aurigus> I like how when you look at sharing a calendar via thunderbird, it says to install mod_dav on your own apache server.
[15:29] <aurigus> Great for geeks, not so great for Joe/Jane office user who just wants to share a calendar
[15:29] <aurigus> :)
[15:30] <MutantTurkey> yeah :/
[15:35] <aurigus> i think there is a huge opening for a consumer software company selling software like that
[15:35] <aurigus> the problem is that you have to make it open source because of licensing
[15:37] <JonathanD> You're selling the service (now you don't need mod_dav on your own apache server) and not the software.
[15:38] <JonathanD> The software can be what it is.
[15:43] <adom> http://theoatmeal.com/comics/bacon_love
[15:46] <MutantTurkey> everyone on reddit.
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> http://lyrics.wikia.com/The_Blues_Brothers:Soul_Finger
[16:21] <MutantTurkey> who comes up with those great speeches
[17:28] <waltman> MutantTurkey: A man. With a lot of soul. A "soul man", one might say.
[17:28] <MutantTurkey> so deep
[17:28] <MutantTurkey> :p
[17:45] <cythes> Hello UBUNTU!
[17:45] <MutantTurkey> hello...
[17:45] <MutantTurkey> whut
[17:47] <cythes> Alright, much better. Irssi configed!... I'll work on themeing and cool things later... Then again I might just Hijack pleia2's r2d2 theme lol
[17:47] <MutantTurkey> r2d2++
[17:49] <cythes> haha
[17:52] <cythes> MutantTurkey: Other then figuring out how to get my wallpaper to load up automatically LOl I think that is an xinit issue more then anything. the file is there just not running on start up.
[17:53] <MutantTurkey> what program are you using?
[17:53] <cythes> feh
[17:53] <MutantTurkey> lol
[17:53] <MutantTurkey> okay
[17:53] <MutantTurkey> pastebin your xinit
[17:53] <pleia2> cythes you are alexanderazimov?
[17:53] <MutantTurkey> pleia2: yes
[17:53] <cythes> pleia2: Yes
[17:53] <pleia2> k :)
[17:54] <cythes> I have since adventured out into the nets in search of knowlege traveled through a few stargates and have since come back with more then I knew before!
[17:54] <pleia2> hehe
[17:54] <jedijf> at least someone has
[17:54] <cythes> Alright let me get that for you MutantTurkey
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> okay
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> test the command at the prompt
[17:54] <MutantTurkey> before sticking it in your xinitrc
[17:55] <cythes> I did
[17:55] <cythes> it works just fine.
[17:55] <MutantTurkey> okay paste it
[17:55] <cythes> just a second lol
[17:56] <cythes> Uh... how do I paste in irssi?
[17:57] <cythes> xD
[17:57] <pleia2> centerclick
[17:57] <jedijf> go back to your travels
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> don't paste it here.
[17:57] <cythes> I dont have one.... laptop.
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> stop
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> paste into a pastebin...
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> then copy the link
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> yeesh
[17:57] <cythes> Yeah I am trying to get you the link lol
[17:57] <cythes> [#ubuntu-us-pa]
[17:57] <MutantTurkey> middle click..
[17:57] <cythes> K...
[17:57] <jedijf> right click paste
[17:58] <cythes> http://pastebin.com/pv9tVizV
[17:58] <jedijf> he haz no middle
[17:58] <cythes> Oh... well apparently if I press both mouse keys down it does the same thing lol
[17:58] <jedijf> yes, that too
[18:00] <MutantTurkey> thats the problem.
[18:00] <cythes> what?
[18:00] <MutantTurkey> sh ~./fehbg
[18:01] <MutantTurkey> what....?
[18:01] <MutantTurkey> is fehbg a script or what?
[18:01] <MutantTurkey> where is it?
[18:01] <MutantTurkey> not ~/.fehbg?
[18:01] <cythes> It is in my home folder... and it is as it is..
[18:01] <cythes> Dude you said RTFM I did lol
[18:01] <MutantTurkey> is it executable (chmod +x?) and it will wait for dmenu....
[18:01] <MutantTurkey> ~/.fehbg and ~./fehbg are different
[18:02] <cythes> oh.... O.o brb!!
[18:02] <MutantTurkey> duh
[18:02] <MutantTurkey> :-)
[18:02]  * cythes TO THE LAB!!
[18:03] <cythes> well brb then lol
[18:07] <MutantTurkey> waltman: she caught the katy... wow awesome song.
[18:12] <cythes> Well it did not work.... Q.Q oh well I dont really mind not haveing a BG xD
[18:13] <cythes> Not that I am giving up, I'm just going to take a break from it.
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> whatt
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> lol
[18:14] <MutantTurkey> it shouldnt be so hard :/
[18:15] <cythes> Dude, nothing should be as hard as it is lol
[18:15] <MutantTurkey> right on
[18:18] <cythes> I'm going to try one more thing..
[18:18] <cythes> Like loading up the actuall command in xinit.
[18:18] <MutantTurkey> ....
[18:18] <MutantTurkey> yeah
[18:18] <MutantTurkey> why aren't you?
[18:19] <cythes> I was using a shortened version of the command.
[18:19] <cythes> Maybe the full version will be just as well off.
[18:19] <cythes> brb
[18:22] <cythes> No dice lol
[18:28] <MutantTurkey> lol
[18:28] <MutantTurkey> using full paths?
[18:29] <MutantTurkey> that dmenu_run won't let it load until dmenu run has executed.
[18:39] <cythes> Fixed!
[18:39] <cythes> Now to do some themeing in IRSSI then I am all good!
[18:40] <MutantTurkey> good work
[18:42] <cythes> Oh yeah thanks man! I have a really cool image of the Major from Ghost in the shell in the BG.
[18:43] <cythes> Actually its the same one in my only i3 screenshot in G+ lol
[18:43] <cythes> Now to learn vim
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> very good
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> use the vim tutorial.
[18:43] <MutantTurkey> it's really great.
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> are you a touch typer? and a "proper" typer?
[18:44] <cythes> I need to look down every so often but I can get things done quick enough.
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> it really helps to have that down as well. I didn't have that down perfectly, and so I didnt _get_ the shortcuts, they were generally counterintutitve to me at that point
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> now I love them
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> also you can custom bind stuff
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> so look around at vim extensions and cool vimrc's
[18:45] <cythes> Question I know you showed me your bad-ass vim set up when I was in here last time...  xD Yeah I was going to say lol anything for auto completion/
[18:45] <MutantTurkey> ctags?
[18:45] <MutantTurkey> yes.
[18:45] <cythes> I mean if I wanted to learn python or even bash.
[18:46] <cythes> Speaking of I need to go wait for the SS dept to call me.
[18:47] <cythes> be back in a few.
[18:47] <MutantTurkey> okay
[18:47] <adom> quick question: whats /dev/sr0
[18:48] <adom> cdrom?
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> yes
[18:49] <MutantTurkey> aye
[18:49] <ChinnoDog> /dev/cdrom is linked to it
[18:49] <adom> thought so thx
[18:49] <adom> ya
[18:49] <adom> coworker narrowed a problem there and i wanted to double check it was the cdrom
[18:51] <MutantTurkey> what sort of co workers are these
[18:51] <MutantTurkey> I miss having coworkers
[18:58] <MutantTurkey> working alone is lonely
[19:04] <adom> GAs Graduate Assistants. they work on thesis work and projects while helping around here via a desk in one of the classrooms.
[19:04] <adom> this one GA happens to be a bit proficient with computers so we give him some bitch work like reseating RAM, etc
[19:04]  * pleia2 passes the swear jar to adom 
[19:05] <adom> in their normal hours they help students reset passwords, print documents, print big i2 chart posters on our plotter (DesignJet).
[19:05]  * adom takes out a quarter.
[19:05] <adom> *kerplunk*
[19:05]  * adom puts in a dollar for later. ;)
[19:07] <MutantTurkey> my jar is full
[19:07] <adom> TACO TUESDAY THEN!
[19:07] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I've been musing on DCC and video chat over IRC
[19:09] <cythes> MutantTurkey: I can try to work with you lol
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> yeah It'd be cool
[19:09] <MutantTurkey> I need to learn about DCC a bit more
[19:09] <Sadin> MutantTurkey found a nice little module for node im going to try out on my app check it https://github.com/learnboost/cluster
[19:10] <adom> video over IRC? that's rediculous.
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> adom: why?
[19:10] <ChinnoDog> DCC is a direct connection. You can send anything over it
[19:10] <adom> 90% of people on IRC are sitting at home in their underpants. no one needs to see that.
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> not any more ridiculous than video over a proprietary format...
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> 100% of people on IRC are sitting home in their underpants
[19:10] <ChinnoDog> The problem with video chat over IRC is creating a standard that other people will follow an dimplement
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> or at work in their underpants.
[19:10] <MutantTurkey> ChinnoDog: implement it in one
[19:10] <cythes> MutantTurkey: I am not.
[19:11] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: but, I would have to stop using irssi
[19:11] <adom> ill implement something in your underpants...
[19:11] <ChinnoDog> lol
[19:11] <cythes> I am actually wearing my "Work" gear. xD aka = dress pants / shirt.
[19:11] <MutantTurkey> hehe
[19:11]  * cythes is the 1%
[19:11] <cythes> xD
[19:11] <ChinnoDog> IRC video extension. If you make it, they will come.
[19:12] <ChinnoDog> But only if you make it easy. Programmers are lazy.
[19:12] <cythes> Its been done on every other chat out there... I'm sure it can be done here. Question is how?
[19:12] <JonathanD> Simple.
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> how?
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> just pick a video stream
[19:12] <MutantTurkey> and send the data
[19:13] <cythes> BY chat I mean AIM / MSN ETC
[19:13] <JonathanD> pretty much that.
[19:13] <ChinnoDog> MutantTurkey: I imagine you would create a new DCC command that would patch through the video stream
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> yes
[19:13] <JonathanD> You could have paid and free video host services for it.
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> that would be it
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> it would have a endless stream
[19:13] <JonathanD> You would send the link, probably via CTCP
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: but it's peer to peer
[19:13] <JonathanD> and the client would connect to it.
[19:13] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: peer to peer is a lot harder.
[19:13] <ChinnoDog>  /dcc videochat
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> no need for intermediate
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> thats DDC right?
[19:13] <MutantTurkey> or DCC
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> direct client to client...?
[19:14] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: DCC doesn't work for most clients anymore.
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> then the peer would receive the video stream and pipe it over to a display program
[19:14] <JonathanD> it requires pre-defined, opened, forwarded ports.
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: what!
[19:14] <MutantTurkey> it works for me?
[19:14] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: it's very rare for it to work.
[19:14] <ChinnoDog> DCC anything requires ports
[19:14] <JonathanD> yup.
[19:15] <JonathanD> so most clients won't be able to support it via DCC, which is why I suggest an intermediary.
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> intermediary will hold it back from adoption.
[19:15] <JonathanD> Rather, multiple intermediaries, and CTCP to point to the correct one.
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> i am set on dcc.
[19:15] <ChinnoDog> Yea. if you created a G+ hangout extension people would resist because it wasn't open enough
[19:15] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: the whole "not working" thing will hold back dcc adoption.
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: I don't understand why it doesn't work?
[19:15] <MutantTurkey> it works for me :[
[19:15] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: because open ports.
[19:16] <cythes> I am curius now... O.o
[19:16] <MutantTurkey> my ports are open!
[19:16] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: good for you.
[19:16] <cythes> That is what she said O.o?
[19:16] <JonathanD> You'll  be the one person who can use it.
[19:16] <JonathanD> :P
[19:16] <MutantTurkey> :p
[19:16] <JonathanD> Guys I found our intermediary, it'll be MutantTurkey
[19:16] <JonathanD> he'll handle all the connections.
[19:16] <MutantTurkey> :p
[19:16] <cythes> Turk's got enough on his plate lol
[19:16] <MutantTurkey> dcc is so much more appealing
[19:17] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: so all your ports are open?
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> no
[19:17] <adom> in your underpants
[19:17] <cythes> adom: LOLZ
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> my port is definitely closed off...
[19:17] <adom> is that bot still in here?
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> adom: get out of here
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> :p
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> !next
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> @next
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> next?
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> no.
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> it's not
[19:17]  * JonathanD does a portscan on MutantTurkey 
[19:17] <adom> :(
[19:17] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: please send results...
[19:17] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: for reals?
[19:17] <JonathanD> k
[19:18] <cythes> xD
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> just wondering
[19:18] <adom> MutantTurkey has alias/mask. how'd you get ip?
[19:18] <MutantTurkey> I don't have an alias
[19:18] <adom> i cant see ip
[19:18] <cythes> I know 80 22 21 6667 6697 and a few others are still open on mine.
[19:19] <adom> nvm i got it
[19:19] <adom> i can paste results here
[19:19] <adom> if u wants
[19:19] <cythes> http , ssh , irc
[19:19] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: http://www.ircpolitics.org/tech/linksys-dcc.html btw.
[19:19] <MutantTurkey> thanks
[19:19] <JonathanD> This is an idea of what most people would have to go through, and why it wouldn't work.
[19:20] <adom> mutantturkey: 53, 111, 135, 139, 445, 593, 1025, 1080, 1433, 1434, 3128 open
[19:20] <MutantTurkey> huh
[19:20] <JonathanD> adom: those are filtered, not open.
[19:20] <adom> ya sorry
[19:20] <adom> that
[19:20] <adom> headin out to second job later all
[19:20] <JonathanD> Of course, there is no "DCC Port" to check for.
[19:20] <Joe_CoT> I expected this comment when I opened this thread, reddit did not disappoint http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/quqnr/bestfind_at_walmartever/c40mf1l
[19:21] <aurigus> yes portscan me too!
[19:21] <JonathanD> portscan everyone!
[19:21] <aurigus> TCP SYN?
[19:21] <aurigus> UDP?
[19:22] <Joe_CoT> bah, wrong channel :-/
[19:22] <JonathanD> aurigus: you has a cloak, though.
[19:22] <jedijf> cythes: move ssh to another port
[19:22] <Joe_CoT> pay no attention to the man behind the curtian
[19:22]  * cythes will pass on the port scan.
[19:22] <cythes> jedijf: How?
[19:22] <JonathanD> cythes: crowbar.
[19:22] <jedijf> cythes there already hammering 22
[19:22] <aurigus> most of my servers will ban you after you scan a couple of ports anyway
[19:23] <JonathanD> cythes: make sure you spackle over the old port, though.
[19:23] <JonathanD> aurigus: should I try anyway, then ;)
[19:23] <jedijf> go to sshd config change port and root login to no restart ssh
[19:23] <aurigus> also turn off root and password based login
[19:23] <jedijf> port to diferent #
[19:24] <cythes> So instead of saying 22 when I do it just connect from another number?
[19:24] <aurigus> use -p 8022 or whatever
[19:24] <jedijf> cythes: ssh cyth@xyz -p 2222
[19:24] <cythes> Alright.
[19:24] <JonathanD> it helps a tiny bit.
[19:24] <aurigus> jedijf: how did you guess my super secret management port
[19:25] <jedijf> JonathanD: it helps an infinite amount; you'd be surprised
[19:25] <jedijf> aurigus: haha yep
[19:25] <jedijf> 222 2222 1337
[19:26] <aurigus> yeah automated scans all check 22
[19:26] <aurigus> nah 2222 is default directadmin port
[19:26] <cythes> Hmm
[19:26] <aurigus> not ssh
[19:26] <jedijf> even though /everyone/ knows that 1337 should be nc backdoor only
[19:26] <aurigus> wasnt that the backorifice port?
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> waltman: do you know gaylord?
[19:26] <waltman> Yes.
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> he's either a professor or the sysadmin
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> what is his job?
[19:26] <waltman> the latter
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> his room number?
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> 1337
[19:26] <MutantTurkey> :p
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> heh
[19:27] <waltman> I know where his office is, but I don't know the number.
[19:27] <waltman> https://www.cs.drexel.edu/users/csstaff
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> furniture mover.
[19:27] <MutantTurkey> lol
[19:29] <cythes> Yeah i dont even have ssh on here yet lol
[19:30] <aurigus> no ssh!!
[19:32] <aurigus> whats the deb package for nfs?
[19:33] <aurigus> found it: apt-get install nfs-common
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> i hate debian and ubuntu package names
[19:33] <JonathanD> so anyway MutantTurkey
[19:33] <jedijf> apt-file ftw
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> so counter intuitive
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> pacman ftw.
[19:33] <JonathanD> intermediary is superior to DCC
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> end of discussion
[19:33] <aurigus> y not apt-get search
[19:33] <aurigus> grrr
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: is that viable though?
[19:33] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: absolutely.
[19:33] <MutantTurkey> hmmm okay
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> but no one would pay for it.
[19:34] <JonathanD> They don't have to.
[19:34] <JonathanD> Build a protocol for it.
[19:34] <JonathanD> dead-simple.
[19:34] <JonathanD> and let others deploy it.
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> ah
[19:34] <JonathanD> it becomes like... etherpad.
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> good idea
[19:34] <jedijf> aurigus: apt-file will tell you package app is in
[19:34] <JonathanD> anyone can run one.
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> i love etherpad :-)
[19:34] <jedijf> very helpful
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> pacman does everything for you....
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> versus the apt-hell system
[19:34] <aurigus> gotta use that i guess
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> btw
[19:34] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: some people might opt to charge for "high bandwidth" ones or such.
[19:34] <aurigus> im used to yum
[19:34] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: or apply ads before the stream starts.
[19:34] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: right then you could downsample quality and stuff
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> based on that
[19:35] <JonathanD> But you can choose which one you connect to, so it doesn't matter.
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> or apply ads during the stream.
[19:35] <JonathanD> and you would pass something like an etherpad link via ctcp
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> right
[19:35] <MutantTurkey> I got it
[19:36] <JonathanD> anyway.
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> thats on my ideas list
[19:36] <JonathanD> If you build it, they may or may not come.
[19:36] <MutantTurkey> they will come
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: so then a server could aggregate the video streams, for multi person chat
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> just return one larger video stream...
[19:37] <JonathanD> I suppose it could
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> for example it would also return the video of you in the bottom right hand corner
[19:37] <MutantTurkey> everything else would be a plain video stream, so you could pipe it into like mplayer or vlc
[19:40] <cythes> MutantTurkey: what do you use for music again? I know we use the same thing lol
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> mocp
[19:41] <MutantTurkey> ...
[19:45] <Sadin> YEAH ordering this today XD http://shop.github.com/products/octocat-hoodie
[19:47] <MutantTurkey> oh jelly
[19:50] <cythes> so linux gaming is about to get better... Since it seems Nvida Might be crapping out an open source driver here soon.
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> it's already crapped out many crappy drives
[19:50] <JonathanD> people have to actually port the games though, too.
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> yeah...
[19:50] <MutantTurkey> I don't see why they don't though, once you have mac support...
[19:51] <cythes> Yeah but now it is part of the linux foundation which means this just got real.
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> isn't mac all openGL as well?
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> cythes: doesn't mean crap
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> that is just a token
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> i'll wait till they have good support.
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> and open drivers.
[19:51] <MutantTurkey> to delcare them "linux heros"
[19:51] <JonathanD> and games to play on them ;)
[19:52] <cythes> I really want to see Medal of Honor spearhead ported over... its 10 years old now xD but I still play it sing my friends dad runs a gaming clan for it.
[19:52] <aurigus> starting to think gaming on linux is a lost cause
[19:52] <cythes> Well really what is linux built for?
[19:52] <aurigus> servers!
[19:53] <cythes> There is a reason gaming on it is a hard core pain in the ass.
[19:54] <aurigus> im mining bitcoins on a linux server, that was a pain to set up but is really stable
[19:54] <aurigus> that summarizes my entire linux experience
[19:54] <cythes> The way I see it Linux is built for servers / programmers / hackers. Mac is for business and graphics / video editing. And windows well...It good for waiting to see how long you can last till you get a virus. (Actually its great for gaming..)
[19:54] <cythes> Bitcoins?
[19:56] <MutantTurkey> windows is great for business and many other things
[19:56] <MutantTurkey> hence why people are using...
[19:56] <JonathanD> Windows is (relatively) easy to manage for businesses.
[19:56] <MutantTurkey> and people are familiar with it
[19:57] <MutantTurkey> plus it as great application support
[19:57] <JonathanD> Linux can be better there in lots of ways, but I think... yeah, the familiarity, the applications availability, wins it for many.
[19:57] <JonathanD> (for windows, I mean)
[19:57] <cythes> Yeah but no one will ever get into something new with out steping out of their comfort zones lol
[19:57] <JonathanD> businesses don't like to step out of their comfort zones.
[19:57] <JonathanD> What we have, works, and we'll keep using it while it does.
[19:58] <cythes> Then again, I like most linux distros with gnome or something since it simply has everything catagorized for you...
[19:58] <cythes> JonathanD: Break it lol
[19:58] <cythes> With a sledge hammer.
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> but why would the step out?
[19:58] <JonathanD> cythes: the "we" there was the hypothetical business.
[19:58] <cythes> Then install arch on a toaster and prove how much better it is.
[19:58] <JonathanD> not me :p
[19:58] <MutantTurkey> it's so much easier to use windows...
[19:59] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: I think for a business large enough to replace a lot of the scripting and deployment functionality, linux could win out.
[19:59] <MutantTurkey> though I am thinking I would like to run a startup company in philly to support Linux for small scale businesses
[19:59] <JonathanD> And also for one small enough not to need it in the first place.
[19:59] <JonathanD> group policy is hard to replicate.
[19:59] <MutantTurkey> is that idea viable? also do they already exist?
[20:00] <JonathanD> probably. But do it anyway.
[20:01] <jedijf> google linuxforce
[20:01] <JonathanD> oh yes, linuxforce
[20:01] <JonathanD> forgot about them.
[20:01] <MutantTurkey> look at their website...
[20:01] <MutantTurkey> http://linuxforce.net/
[20:01] <MutantTurkey> so
[20:01] <MutantTurkey> don't trust them...
[20:01] <jedijf> or bucky fuller
[20:01] <cythes> MutantTurkey: a year and a half ago I was happy using ubuntu. I like it it all worked out of the box, Then the switch to unity. I did not realise "Wait its linux I can just tinker with it." No I went else where. Long story short I got tired of it being easy. I wanted to learn not be spoon feed... so I switched to arch at your request and my other friends. I love arch it keeps me on my toes :) This is not to bash ubuntu, ubuntu is still my first pick for no
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> "Tuesday,   13   March   201" they have a javascript date applet...
[20:02] <MutantTurkey> lol
[20:03] <cythes> Just it was time for fight club to move out of the basement lol.
[20:03] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: I think it's a good idea
[20:03] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: you should do it in norristown, though.
[20:03] <JonathanD> or conshohocken.
[20:03]  * JonathanD nods
[20:03] <MutantTurkey> do you think people would go for it? I have a guy who's interested to back me financially.
[20:03] <MutantTurkey> why there?
[20:03] <cythes> MutantTurkey: Now there is an idea I would like to get on
[20:03] <JonathanD> MutantTurkey: obviously so I could work with you, and have a short commute.
[20:03] <JonathanD> :P
[20:03] <MutantTurkey> right on :p
[20:03] <jedijf> for accuracy sake, ubuntu is what you make it, alternate install cd and cli only install is similar to an arch install in an ubuntu way..upstart etc, but still offers all of the learning
[20:04] <MutantTurkey> ubuntu is no longer what you make it it is what they decide
[20:04] <MutantTurkey> because each release they swap out system critical components with new and untested things...
[20:04] <jedijf> reddit speak ^
[20:04] <MutantTurkey> unity was a sham to push out so early...
[20:04] <MutantTurkey> upstart? oh gosh
[20:05] <cythes> MutantTurkey: Yeah but with respect, If unity was not pushed out so early it would not be as upto date as it is now.
[20:05] <jedijf> it had to e done eventually, better sooner than later, people never accept change or progress, escept us few enlighterned
[20:05] <jedijf> except
[20:05] <jedijf> kill the r, even though phonetically i may like the sound of it there
[20:05] <cythes> Unity has come a LONG was in the last year and a half to the point I almost considered using it just to give it a shot.
[20:06] <cythes> way*
[20:06] <cythes> Wow... 1.5 year and I still fail at typing lol
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> 1.5 years to soon.
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> jedijf: I like people to roll out finished goods
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> not half baked ones
[20:06] <MutantTurkey> unity should have been provided optionally, as a beta testing
[20:07] <cythes> Turk did you know that linux was half baked when it first came out?
[20:07] <jedijf> par_baked++
[20:07] <cythes> The ONLY reason Linus kept working on it was because he killed his main partition so he was forced to finish linux.
[20:07] <MutantTurkey> did you know it wasn't backed by a rich fatcat who dumps millions of dollars into his company?
[20:08] <MutantTurkey> cythes: believe what you want.
[20:08] <cythes> Hmmm some one is getting a little defencive. xD
[20:09] <cythes> By the way those were words from the mans mouth himself at a Q&A back in 2002.
[20:09] <cythes> However I do agree about shuttleworth there MutantTurkey I dont think anyone in here really likes him.
[20:10] <MutantTurkey> lol he's the guy...
[20:12] <cythes> I was talking about Torvalds. xD Shuttleworth can blast his ass into space for all I care. Yeah humanity to all and what not... but still
[20:12] <MutantTurkey> it's a business, so basically if you don't fit ubuntu's business model, you don't fit into their future
[20:12] <cythes> Pretty much.
[20:12] <MutantTurkey> basically canonicalls response to people who don't want unity has been 'well suck it"
[20:13] <MutantTurkey> anyway
[20:13] <cythes> Lol all of this in the ubuntu channel.. Man I can just feel about 20 eyes glaring at us from across the net lol
[20:14] <MutantTurkey> pft
[20:14] <cythes> I could also be wrong. xD
[20:39] <ssweeny> probably a good idea to check WHOIS on folks in the channel before you berate their company too :)
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> who's working for cannoncal?
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> lamalex?
[20:40] <lamalex> i am
[20:40] <lamalex> yes
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> hey I berate company decsions not individuals.
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> lamalex: it's all your fault, you rolled out unity before it was fully functional!
[20:40] <MobileTurkey> i blame you!
[20:40] <lamalex> ok
[20:41] <lamalex> i couldn't care less dude
[20:41] <MobileTurkey> :p
[20:41] <MobileTurkey> exactly
[20:41] <lamalex> not that i speak for canonical here, but if you don't like unity, suck it
[20:41] <MobileTurkey> exactly i said that.
[20:41] <lamalex> i know
[20:42] <MobileTurkey> At least we're on the same page.
[20:42] <lamalex> i can read holmes
[20:42] <lamalex> why would we spend a bunch of money on stuff that isn't our strategic direction?
[20:42] <lamalex> ubuntu is very much DIY, if YOU want something else, YOU can package it, write, and get it into universe
[20:43] <MobileTurkey> I agree - it's all about strategy and target audience.
[20:43] <lamalex> right
[20:43] <lamalex> we're a company
[20:43] <lamalex> we gotta make dollars
[20:44] <lamalex> and come on
[20:44] <MobileTurkey> exactly!
[20:44] <lamalex> unity is at least as functional as whatever other crappy desktop on linux you could use that is 1 year old
[20:44] <MobileTurkey> why 1 year old?
[20:44] <lamalex> unity is a year old dude!
[20:44] <MobileTurkey> my complaint was that they rolled it out to early.
[20:44] <MobileTurkey> oh
[20:44] <lamalex> well i guess 18 months now
[20:45] <MobileTurkey> I think users like to see a stable desktop above innovation
[20:45] <MobileTurkey> so that was a mistake in strategy, in my opinion
[20:45] <lamalex> users dont know their ass from their elbow
[20:45] <MobileTurkey> many linux users switched to other distros because they were dissatisfied
[20:45] <lamalex> right but no one cares about that
[20:45] <lamalex> sorry guys
[20:45] <MobileTurkey> right
[20:45] <lamalex> not our target audience
[20:45] <MobileTurkey> which is why I use arch
[20:45] <MobileTurkey> :p
[20:46] <JonathanD> just got new floorplans for our office :D
[20:46] <MobileTurkey> gotta catch ze train
[20:46] <JonathanD> lamalex: btw we blame you for everything.
[20:46] <JonathanD> YOU and just you.
[20:46] <MobileTurkey> he dropped the cookies?
[20:46] <MobileTurkey> >:|
[20:47] <JonathanD> He did.
[20:47] <MobileTurkey> I'm out.
[20:47] <JonathanD> And I'm pretty sure he also made the fingerprint login all... weird.
[20:47] <lamalex> JonathanD, you still owe me a hoagie dude
[20:47] <lamalex> dont push it
[20:47] <JonathanD> lamalex: you can have a hoagie as soon as the fingerprint login is less weird ;)
[20:48] <JonathanD> I could go for a hoagie, actually.
[20:48] <lamalex> get 2 and fedex one
[20:48] <JonathanD> lamalex: come see me on saturday, I'll get you a hoagie.
[20:48] <JonathanD> and me.
[20:48] <JonathanD> I'll be somewhere in philadelphia.
[20:51] <lamalex> im gonna be in maine
[20:51] <lamalex> are you 21 yet
[20:51] <JonathanD> I'm 30.
[20:54] <lamalex> right who am i thinking of
[20:54] <lamalex> you dont' owe me a hoagie
[20:54] <JonathanD> I owe someone a hoagie, though.
[20:54] <lamalex> haha
[20:54] <JonathanD> I don't remember who.
[20:55] <lamalex> jedijf, what was that kid's name who owes me a cheesesteak who used to hang out in here
[20:55] <lamalex> irishman something??
[20:55] <JonathanD> luke?
[20:55] <lamalex> yes
[20:55] <lamalex> that's it
[20:55] <lamalex> kid owes me a steak sandwich
[20:55] <lamalex> i intend to collect
[20:55] <JonathanD> I can see how you would confuse that with JonathanD. The letters are like, right next to each other.
[20:56] <lamalex> there was another younger kid
[20:56] <lamalex> whose name is jonathan? i think
[20:56] <lamalex> yah
[20:56] <lamalex> who i though you were
[20:56] <lamalex> i dont remember his nick
[20:57] <JonathanD> heh :)
[20:58] <JonathanD> rmg51: morning.
[20:58] <rmg51> morning JonathanD
[20:58] <JonathanD> How goes?
[20:58] <rmg51> bit late aren't you?
[20:58] <JonathanD> You're the one who just got here.
[20:59] <rmg51> but I know what time it is ;-)
[20:59] <rmg51> it's dinner time :-D
[20:59] <JonathanD> I'm not even slightly hungry.
[21:00] <JonathanD> Had a really awesome burrito for lunch.
[21:01] <rmg51> by the time I cook something I'll be hungrey
[21:06] <ChinnoDog> all I've had is waffles and a couple hot drinks today
[21:06]  * ChinnoDog eats a horse
[21:08] <pleia2> waffles++
[21:12] <Sadin> http://sparkzdev.jit.su/ :D now to make it actually do something lol
[21:12] <Sadin> but so far i <3 node
[21:13] <Sadin> afk for drumline see you all later
[21:32] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[23:14] <JonathanD> evening critters
[23:33] <rmg51> lamalex: you must be thinking of jthan
[23:37] <jedijf> lamalex: setting up all your food for when you're back in pa?
[23:39] <jedijf> irishmanluke has been more nonexistant than jthan - looks like JonathanD's hoagie might be best bet