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DraconicusHi.00:16
knomehullo00:17
DraconicusSo... Day 1: Upgraded to 11.10. Things were great, then compiz randomly stopped loading correctly, but ONLY in Xfce... Day 2: soreau suggested I check the session options, which indeed were missing the Gnomey bit in the compatibility section. Compiz started working again.... Day 3: Compiz is broken again, myseriously. The gnome thing is still checked in the session options.00:19
aicasni just updated some packages on my 64-bit 11.10 machine and the UI took a crap after the updates so I rebooted. now I can't get anything but graphical corruption and a frozen machine whenever i boot into ubuntu. anyone else have this problem?00:19
Draconicusaicasn: What video driver are you using?00:19
aicasnnvidia's00:19
DraconicusAlso, describe "graphical corruption"00:19
DraconicusAre you by chance using a GTK 2.0 theme and trying to run GNOME-oriented applications?00:20
aicasni see the top 10% of the screen (blue background of the login screen) and the rest is black.  does not respond to keyboard commands, mouse movements, etc.  no c-a-d, c-a-f1, or anything else00:20
aicasnDraconicus: i have no idea but at the login screen i'm not running anything but the display manager00:21
aicasniow, the system is unusable00:21
DraconicusWeiiird00:22
DraconicusDo you have another computer? I have a suggestion that will ease this a bit - especially if it's a laptop.00:22
knomeaicasn, have you tried to disable the nvidia driver?00:23
aicasni was able to boot into recovery mode.  under a root shell the last line in my Xorg.0.log pertained to the nvidia driver. it was not an error, just chatter. nothing after the nvidia line (i'm assuming that's where the pc froze)00:23
aicasnno, i'm not sure how to do that.  certainly willing to try but i'll have to dual-boot back and forth unless i can make my xubu usable again00:23
knomeaicasn, remove the nvidia driver line from /etc/X11/xorg.conf, that should exist i think...00:25
aicasni don't think this machine used a static xorg.conf00:25
Draconicusaicasn: Press ESC rapidly while booting. Should get you a GRUB menu.00:25
DraconicusFrom there, select recovery mode.00:25
aicasnalso everything in the recovery mode shell was read-only00:25
DraconicusLike F8 with Windows00:25
DraconicusOh00:25
Draconicus>..>00:25
Draconicusknome: xorg.conf is usually empty after 10.1000:26
knomeDraconicus, afaik, nvidia-settings will create one always00:26
knomeaicasn, ^00:27
aicasnso, i suppose the questions are...  1) is read-only recovery shell normal?  2) is it safe to remount r/w?   3) how do I disable nvidia driver w/o an xorg.conf?00:27
aicasnknome: okay i'll double-check that00:27
knome2) would think so, if you can00:27
knomei mean, how can you recover anything if everything is ro :)00:28
DraconicusOh god how do I get this OSD keyboard off my screen?! I don't even have a touch scereen! D:00:28
DraconicusI installed gnome-tweak-tool and it installed caribou00:28
DraconicusAnd caribou came with a keyboard I guess. D:00:28
Draconicusantler keyboard... hrngh00:28
aicasnback in a few00:28
knomeDraconicus, uninstall caribou then :P00:28
GridCubeDraconicus, why do you have gnome stuff?00:29
GridCubethats silly00:29
DraconicusI like nautilus and gedit... D:00:29
knomeGridCube, ... we're not here to judge people, seriously00:29
GridCubeokay00:29
knomebesides, they might have installed ubuntu desktop, then xubuntu packages in addition to that, not the other way around00:30
GridCubei take my words and go back to my cave, but the people come complaining abuot gnome breaking xfce and ... nvm00:30
DraconicusI've got a huge pile of mixed stuff00:30
knometransition is not always easy or quick00:30
DraconicusI use K3B00:30
knomeGridCube, well yeah i agree with that.00:30
DraconicusOh, and Rosegarden00:30
DraconicusBoth QT applications.00:30
knomeDraconicus, about compiz: it's not really officially supported with xfce so... :/00:31
DraconicusAnd seriously, some GTK applications are just 3.0 already. Gnome-tweak-tool seems to be the only thing that handles it well00:31
knomeDraconicus, there should be some tutorials around, and there might be some people in the channel that know about it too but... it's on you :)00:32
DraconicusOfficially supported... I'm just looking for fellow linux'ers with advice. Debian guys don't give me that line. X300:32
knomeDraconicus, i just wanted to say that so you don't expect anything. some people do expect we fix their xubuntu whatever they did for it...00:33
DraconicusI've been doing this for years, knome. Don't worry about my expectations. :P00:33
knomeDraconicus, i won't. :)00:34
knomeDraconicus, i'm just making sure we don't have a user in the channel snapping and going ballistic after a few days because the user expects to get everything, here, now :)00:34
knomeDraconicus, and no, don't take that personally... :)00:35
lurohhm, ubuntu's move to pae kernel as default has me slightly worried00:37
lurohi would guess it doesn't align very well with the goals of xubuntu00:38
GridCubewhy?00:38
lurohwell, since xubuntu seems to cater to owners of slightly older machines, a pae-enabled kernel doesn't suit that end of the hardware spectrum00:39
knomehuh?00:39
GridCubexubuntu its not meant to be a "small" distro, if thats what you're thinking, its meant to be just awesome and xfce based00:39
lurohalright, so no love for my t41p, it seems00:40
luroh(and the homepage actually says "It works well on older hardware too.")00:42
knomeluroh, for now, you can always use an older version.00:42
lurohsure00:42
GridCubeyes, notice the "too", luroh, it doesnt say "its meant to"00:43
knomei don't know the details for PAE-as-default, but i'd imagine there's a possibility to install with a non-PAE kernel to00:43
GridCubeknome, nope, you need to enable it to get to the bootloader00:43
GridCubeat least on vboxes00:43
lurohwell, if you have networking, you can do a netboot and perhaps there are other ways as well00:44
knomeGridCube, hmm. i didn't have PAE enabled and i was able to install 12.04.00:45
GridCubeoh00:45
GridCubewell00:45
GridCubeon alternate i could not00:45
GridCubewell, my memory might be failing on me00:45
lurohhm, no, that should fail actually00:46
aicasni managed to get myself into a live cd session. the irc client isn't too user-friendly but i can access the linux partitions from here00:51
aicasnso....  there was an xorg.conf as knome said there would be.  i renamed it so that we'd be back to the stock no-xorg.conf situation00:52
aicasndid absolutely no good, unfortunately. i rebooted and still got the same results00:53
aicasni've already fsck'd my partitions. they came out fine00:53
aicasncan you guys see what i'm typing?  is this irc client being stupid?00:54
aicasncan you hear me now?00:56
* aicasn taps the mic00:56
knomeneed to go to bed, see you01:01
ToZ /msg NickServ identify heynow02:01
bazhangToZ, time to change passwords02:06
ToZalready done.02:10
Os_Maleusgood morning all!06:33
Os_Maleusdoes somebody have a Nexus (not "one", not "s" but simply nexus) and running his/her PC under xfce? and if, how is it possible to mount it manually over USB as a mass storage with a fast data-transfer rate?06:34
pleia2Os_Maleus: hm, I didn't think there was a "nexus" (not the galaxy nexus?)06:37
pleia2I know the galaxy nexus has problems because it's not using plain usb storage anymore like the One and the S did06:38
Os_Maleuspleia2: Google Galaxy Nexus. ... the i9250.06:38
pleia2have to use MPT for that, I hear it's kind of a pain06:38
Os_Maleusit is.06:39
pleia2but no, there isn't a way to mount it the old fashioned way :(06:39
Os_MaleusI would like to root it but I didn't manage until now.06:39
Os_Maleus:-( that is pretty awful.06:39
pleia2I agree, I was annoyed when I heard (sticking with my Nexus S!)06:40
Os_MaleusI managed to mount it as a camera. and having (properly fast) access to the data section. ... but I (actually still as a newbe regarding Linux) was thinking that this can't be the final solution.06:41
omnomShouldnt it be able to do with ifuse?06:41
Os_Maleusomnom: it can. but then the connection is slow like the data-transfer over IR 10 years ago!06:43
pleia2ifuse is worse than just MPT06:43
omnomnever had an android so I cant really say06:45
Os_Maleuspleia2: hmmm. what exactly do You mean by "just MTP", if I may ask? .... You are putting the setting on the phone onto MTP and ... then?06:45
omnomI mainly just transfer my files over wifi06:46
pleia2Os_Maleus: I haven't used it (my fiance has the galaxy, but he uses a Mac), but there are some loaders in linux that can read data from the phone once it's put into MPT mode06:47
Os_Maleusomnom: hmmmm. I wouldn't like to transfer my private keys (for encryption and so on) over the wifi.06:47
omnomcan't u setup a private temporary network from the phone?06:48
Os_Maleuspleia2: I see.06:48
omnomthat would be more or less safe06:48
omnomthe range aint that far06:48
pleia2Os_Maleus: there are a few sites that give tips if you use this google search: galaxy nexus ubuntu06:49
omnomhow old is the nexus?06:49
omnom3yrs?06:49
pleia2the nexus one is 2.5, S is 1.5, Galaxy is only about 6 months06:50
pleia2give or take06:50
omnomk06:50
omnomgetting new phone tomorrow06:51
Os_Maleuspleia2: I was searching over weeks about that. ... friends helped me to get the mounting done with "gvfs-mount" during the last week.06:51
omnom:D06:51
pleia2Os_Maleus: *nod*06:51
Os_Maleusomnom: yes, this phone is one of the newest from google06:52
omnomgot to choose between galaxy S2 or iPhone 4S06:52
omnompicked the iPhone 4S :/06:52
Os_Maleus:-)06:54
omnombut the galaxy doesnt feel like the same kind of quality06:54
omnomso fuck it06:54
pleia2please watch your language here06:54
pleia2the galaxy nexus is a very nice phone (not like the other galaxy branded androids, which I don't love)06:55
omnomAren't they all mainly plastic?06:56
pleia2the nexus one was metal, but the rest are plastic, but nice plastic :)06:57
omnom:)06:58
pleia2after midnight, pumpkin time so off to bed, good luck Os_Maleus!07:00
Os_Maleusgood night pleia2!07:01
Os_Maleusomnom: I was selling digital cameras, years ago. they told us, the product would be aluminium. that was a lie.07:02
Os_Maleusplastics can be delivered in that many kind that one can believe it would be really metal. but in fact it remains: plastic.07:03
Os_Maleusomnom: so: have You opened that piece once and scrached it deeply? have You convinced Yourself that there is not just a bit lead inside somewhere? :-D07:04
omnomwell lead is a metal Os_Maleus :P07:10
Os_Maleusomnom: sure! taken by word, You won in this case. :-D07:14
BlakJakDumb question... if I am running an x86_64 ubuntu image at the moment, and I want to move to xubuntu, am I stuck with i386 or should I be able to run the amd64 image on my Intel i5 based machine?07:47
BlakJakUgh... seems my download is corrupt.. md5sums dont match.. perhaps that's my problem.07:50
forestpiskieyou'll have to get it again then - try using a torrent for it07:55
AucunWhen I use the "install inside windows" option from wubi, does that allow me to use linux without rebooting from windows?07:59
TheSheepAucun: of course not08:00
TheSheepAucun: for that you would need to use a virtual machines08:00
TheSheepAucun: like vmware08:00
Aucunvmware would allow me to have windows and linux running at the same time?08:01
BlakJaka Virtual Machine is a computer running inside another computer08:02
BlakJakso your 'guest' and your 'host' can be different OSs08:02
BlakJakor you can run multiple guests of various OSs08:02
AucunThis is going off the channel topic but I'm looking for a way to basically "alt tab" from windows to linux and back again.08:03
BlakJakvirtualisation is the way to go.08:04
BlakJakvmware is one option08:04
BlakJakvirtualbox is another08:04
BlakJaki use the latter personally08:04
AucunThank you, I'll look at those two.08:05
TheSheepAucun: another way is to have two computers, one running linux the other windows, and connect them together with Synergy08:07
BlakJakdownload has 50 mins to run... battery reports 55mins left.... hmmm08:07
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diarmuidHello?12:56
diarmuidIs there anyone here?12:57
Marzatayes,12:59
diarmuidHow do I get the little launcher onto the bottom of xbuntu??13:00
diarmuidNearly like a mac you could say13:00
Marzataadd launcher?13:00
Marzatabut before add panel13:00
diarmuidOkay so how would I go about that then?13:01
alphalupiAre you asking how to get, for instance, a program icon on the bottom launcher?13:02
diarmuidOkay let me explain, I just installed xbuntu on my system. I seen some screenshots with xbuntu having like a little toolbar at the button of the desktop with little icons for the the users favourite programs like firefox etc13:04
diarmuidI kind of looks like a mac desktop if you get me??13:05
alphalupiOK, I think it goes like this: left click on the panel with the Applications Menu and click on Panel -> Panel Preferences13:05
alphalupiA window will pop up with the title "Panel"13:05
alphalupiUnder the header, there will be a drop down box, probably labeled with "Panel 1"13:06
alphalupiNext to that there is a plus button. Click it and a new panel will appear.13:06
alphalupiYou can modify the new panel with the Panel Preferences window.13:08
diarmuidI can see there is two panels Panel1 and Panel2, Panel1 is at the top and Panel2 is the little launcher bar that I was looking in the first place, do i just uncheck automatically show and hide panel?13:08
alphalupiIt looks like you can just open Panel Preferences and uncheck the checkbox saying "Automatically show and hide the panel".13:09
alphalupiNote that I am using Xubuntu and not pure Xfce, so it may be slightly different.13:09
diarmuidyes thats what I did, yeah I understand but you still brought me to my question cheers.13:10
alphalupiWhich panel did you click on to get the preferences dialog? You have to make sure the dropdown box has the right panel selected. The launcher panel is Panel 2.13:11
diarmuidIf only I could figure out how to add new items13:11
diarmuidyeah I selected panel2 its working now13:11
alphalupiYou just left click on the launcher panel, go to Panel -> Add new items.13:12
diarmuidYeah I got it aswell, if I would only mess around with things a little longer I could of figured it out thanks for the help. :)13:12
alphalupiThere's a whole list of options to add to the panel, including a launcher that you can use to add new applications do the dock.13:13
alphalupiMy pleasure.13:13
Marzataand my13:14
diarmuidNow trying to center the thing with separators is a pain in the butt.13:14
alphalupiDoes anyone know if setting up a Samba server on pure Xubuntu is as easy as setting one up on stock Ubuntu?13:14
Marzatadiarmuid: default Ubuntu 11.10 comes with such a panel.13:15
diarmuidUbuntu would not run smooth on my system very old...13:16
alphalupiJust in case you're having trouble with that, you can move items around by left clicking on them and clicking Move. Then you can put the item anywhere on the dock.13:16
alphalupiIncluding spacers13:17
diarmuidYeah, but i'm trying to center them don't have a clue how to but.13:18
Marzatadiarmuid: default XUbuntu 11.10 comes with such a panel.13:18
Marzatasorry13:18
diarmuidYeah I know I am using the default panel that comes with XUbuntu just need a little help configuring it.13:19
alphalupiIt seems to me that Xfce centers the whole dock. By adding an item, the entire dock expands, with no option to center individual items.13:19
alphalupiYou can add a new line to the panel by left clicking on the separator, going to Properties, and using the drop down box to select New Line.13:21
diarmuidGot it centered, all I had to do was uncheck "Lock Panel" and move the thing into the center such a beginner :D13:25
alphalupiGlad you found it.13:25
diarmuidThanks for the help guys appreciate it.13:25
alphalupiIs anybody else in here? I also have a question.13:27
diarmuidAnyone know if there is a way to stream videos/movies from a system running XUbuntu to an Xbox 360?13:30
alphalupiHow do you configure a samba share on pure xubuntu?13:40
alphalupiIs it the same as on stock Ubuntu?13:40
diarmuidHave you tried the ubuntuforums.org alphalupi?13:58
alphalupiI'm looking right now but I don't really see anything applicable.13:59
diarmuidThen make a new thread the community there will help you with anything and just about an ubuntu distro they support lubuntu and xubuntu also.14:03
alphalupiI'll do that. Thanks.14:04
craigbass1976what's the best way to view a remote desktop in xfce?  I've got tightvncserver running, but it's exporting display :1.  I want :014:52
skriteyou can set which display it exports via options, i think.14:54
holsteincraigbass1976: i just use vino and vinagre usually, but i like remmina14:54
skriteyou want xfce to be the desktop you view or serve?14:54
craigbass1976holstein, I thought vino was a gnome specific rig.  No?14:54
holsteincraigbass1976: i use it in XFCE14:54
craigbass1976skrite, serve.  I'm on a fedora laptop trying to view14:55
craigbass1976It would have been quicker at this point to just drive up there...  Now I want to make it work just on general principle.14:55
craigbass1976sudo tightvncserver :0   Warning: counter-right:0 is taken because of /tmp/.X0-lock   Remove this file if there is no X server counter-right:0   A VNC server is already running as :014:58
stephanbhi, i got xubuntu 11.10 installed, is there a way to install unity as a second DE, without reinstalling? like is there a metapackage for the unity-desktop15:20
TheSheepubuntu-desktop15:26
stephanbTheSheep: thanks15:26
TheSheepthat will also install all the ubuntu default programs though15:27
Marzataand it will be a mess :D15:29
stephanbMarzata: why?15:32
forestpiskieyou'll have lots of apps doing the same thing15:35
forestpiskiethe xubuntu ones and the ubuntu ones15:35
stephanbthat wont be a problem15:39
Rourickjust wanna say new user from win7 and i love my xubuntu :)15:41
grifo74hello i'm a ubuntu user but in last year after i install ubuntu i install xfce and allways use xfce it's better i use xubuntu or install xfce in ubuntu16:04
grifo74?16:04
Marzatagrifo74: clean install recommended.16:13
grifo74thanks16:14
grifo74all software work in ubuntu work fine in xubuntu to16:15
forestpiskieI've nor found anything that doesn't16:16
grifo74it is easy update xubuntu 11.10 to 12.04 without format my pc16:21
Marzatagrifo74: not easier than that.16:22
mogitaffHello, how can I regenerate Kernel modules for virtualbox on ubuntu 12.04 without /etc/init.d/vboxdrv (this script is missing :( ) please ?16:34
popschhow can I access aspell's dictionary wordlist from a shell script? the dictionary in /usr/var/aspell is stored in binary format16:50
popschaspell dump master16:52
grifo74how i share a folder18:29
recon_lapgrifo74: this probably worth a read https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-classic/internet/C/networking-shares.html18:44
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monserhello all19:47
monserhow to delete all locales set on the machine?19:47
omidohi21:32
GridCubehi21:33
omidoGridCube: how can i find if my laptop is certified to work with xubuntu or other distros? i only know this about ubuntu from this page : http://www.ubuntu.com/certification/hardware/201011-683021:34
GridCubeif it works well with ubuntu, it should work faster with xubuntu. in the  core they are the same21:36
omidoI have visual bugs on ubuntu 11.1021:36
omidoEverything is ok on ubuntu 10.10 and 11.0421:36
GridCubexubuntu uses the same drivers21:37
GridCubetho it doesnt use the same composition software21:37
GridCubeit uses its own21:37
GridCubeso you might not experience the same problems21:37
GridCubehowever don't go expecting xubuntu to behave exactly like old gnome2 did, xubuntu uses xfce so it will be different21:38
GridCubeit will be awesomely different however21:38
omidoRight now i'm using openSUSE 11.4 x86_64 with KDE. I'm planning to install XFCE desktop and test it.i also have downloaded xubuntu 11.10 x86_64 and tested it using live cd but i cannot install it on virtualbox and i dont know why.it complains about 64bit mode.anyway thankyou for the information21:40
GridCubenoproblem21:42
BlakJakomido: Within Virtualbox I had to use the 32bit edition21:42
BlakJak(i386)21:42
omidoBlakJak: I wonder why because the host OS is 64bit.21:42
BlakJakbut that could've been due to my corrupt 64bit image file (discovered much later)21:42
BlakJakomido: md5sum check on your iso pass ok?21:42
omidoI have the issue with other 64bit OS too.not only xubuntu.21:42
GridCubeomido, you should ask at #vbox21:43
BlakJakIf you have the problems with other guest OS's under Virtualbox I suggest you need to go to #vbox21:43
omidoThankyou guys.21:44
* BlakJak waits impatiently for xubuntu 12.04b1 to finish running post-install updates21:45
BlakJakanyone aware of any major instabilities in 12.04b1 that'd suggest I shouldnt start using it for my work/production desktop?21:46
knomeBlakJak, well, it's beta. there might always be surprises21:46
BlakJakyeah, aside from the obvious 'it's a beta'21:46
knomethere shouldn't be much problems.21:47
BlakJakcurrently running ubuntu 10.10 dual-booted... looking to skip Unity21:47
BlakJak... going to drag all my personal stuff across from Ubuntu today all going well21:47
omidoI once tested fedora 15 beta and started to use it for production and after few days i had fun.....21:48
BlakJakMmmmm I couldn't see the point in fussing with 11.10, esp as I wish to use the LTS...21:48
BlakJakooh. updates finished. reboot...21:49
BlakJakOk... it appears dual-screen configuration isn't so hot21:56
nishttal2hi guys... i am trying to setup compiz on xubuntu 11.10.. when i try the compiz --replace command i get the following errors... http://www.fpaste.org/h31w/21:58
TheSheep!compiz | nishttal222:03
ubottunishttal2: Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz22:03
nishttal2TheSheep, ok will review that22:04
TheSheepnishttal2: just go ask in #compiz :)22:05
nishttal2TheSheep, i did no response22:05
TheSheeplooks like it's missing some themes, did you try to google that?22:06
BlakJakXubuntu and Dual-screen, in case it helps anyone... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11762852#post1176285222:35
Starncan i copy my xubuntu partition to another hard drive? the one it's on is dying..22:39
BlakJakdd if=/dev/sourcepartition of=/dev/destpartition22:39
BlakJakwhere sourcepartition is likely to be something like 'sda1' and destpartition is likely to be something like 'sdb1'22:40
BlakJaksda1 is the first partition of the first sata disk.. sdb1 is the first partition of the second sata disk22:40
BlakJakactual values depend on your hardware22:40
BlakJakyou may want to consider something like ddrescue if you're pulling from a dying hdd tho22:41
* BlakJak bbl22:42
Starnlike can gparted clone the partition and put it onto another hard drive and still be bootable?22:43
Starnomido, your processor must support virtualization to do it with 64bit.. at least that was my case.. now i can test 64bit os's freely.22:49
Starni forgot what it was called but for it for work for me omido i had to load up into my bios and enable a function.22:51
Starni guess i need to boot into one of my other linux installs and hope it can save the one installed on my hard drive and hope it doesn't die while trying to save the data...22:54
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