[00:18] <graingert> anybody know why gnome-online-accounts is unavailable? http://pastebin.com/XdrfyQSC
[00:20] <scientes> graingert, did you try apt-get update
[00:20] <scientes> cause it works for me
[00:21] <graingert> maybe they just got added
[00:21] <scientes> well, i just did apt-get update && upgrade
[00:21] <graingert> anything to do with   * Update repository URL.
[00:21] <scientes> but certainly a possibility, and it is expected to break that way momentarily while in beta
[00:22] <graingert> E: Package 'libgoa-1.0-common' has no installation candidate
[00:22] <graingert> is the root cause
[00:22] <scientes> you sure you don't have debian sources in your sources.list?
[00:23] <scientes> its probably that ubuntu dropped ubuntu-specific changes while coming up to date with debian
[00:23] <scientes> and that changed some names or something
[00:24] <graingert> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libgoa-1.0-common&searchon=names&suite=precise&section=all not out yet
[00:25] <graingert> http://pastebin.com/6q4iy8Ly
[00:26] <graingert> maybe gb is behined?
[00:28] <graingert> http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/libgoa-1.0-0 note it says libgoa-1.0-common (= 3.3.0-1) [amd64]
[00:28] <graingert>     Package not available
[00:28] <graingert> I guess libgoa was doa
[01:02] <ruffles> trism:  hey. remember me? i was asking earlier today about a lightdm flickering but after logout. it stopped happening after I created a user
[01:06] <trism> ruffles: yeah that seems to have been the problem, the user list didn't have any entries since the "other" option was removed, mterry commited a fix, I imagine it will be resolved soon
[01:06] <trism> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/952557
[01:08] <ruffles> great! thank you!
[01:08] <ruffles> i believe bugs # 943193 and 935801 are both duplicates too
[01:11] <ruffles> ok i've just marked 'em as duplicates of bug #952557
[01:14] <ruffles> trism:  ok i'm going to do some serious beta testing in here now. lol
[01:14] <ruffles> thanks for taking the time to help
[01:14] <ruffles> cheers
[02:52] <scientes> DNSMASQ IS TOTALLY broken by Network Manager
[02:52] <scientes> how do i get rid of that network manager dnsmasq crap-ware
[02:52] <scientes> and use a system dnsmasq
[02:53] <scientes> especially cause its such crap that it install dnsmasq without installing the package
[02:54] <scientes> oh wait, its dnsmasq-base
[02:57] <scientes> how do i unbreak it
[03:08] <trism> scientes: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/ see "I really don’t want a local resolver, how can I turn it off?"
[03:15] <scientes> "This dnsmasq server isn’t a caching server for security reason"
[03:15] <scientes> oh geeze
[03:15] <scientes> then whats the point?
[03:15] <diraol> Hi friends! I'm trying to "import" my wireless keys (password) from ubuntu 11.04 to ubuntu 12.04
[03:19] <scientes> diraol, upgrade?
[03:19] <scientes> upgrade should work
[03:20] <diraol> hum... not... fresh install
[03:20] <scientes> ahh well if its just one go to networkmanager and copy in down
[03:20] <lupin3rd> hey guys
[03:21] <lupin3rd> i got a little problem
[03:21] <diraol> sorry, i didn't understood what to do.
[03:21] <diraol> I no longer have my 11.04, but still have my ~/ files and folders
[03:21] <diraol> i'm trying to recover all my networks keys...
[03:25] <lupin3rd> ok my little problem is that my fn key works for volume but not for the screen brightness but it worked fine in the live cd before i installed
[03:26] <lupin3rd> any ideas???
[03:26] <scientes> lupin3rd, that shouldn't happen
[03:26] <lupin3rd> yes i know
[03:26] <lupin3rd> worked fine in live cd
[03:26] <lupin3rd> now once installed nothing
[03:26] <scientes> lupin3rd, ahhhhh actually, the live cd uses free drivers
[03:26] <lupin3rd> yes
[03:26] <scientes> maybe you installed the non-free drivers for your graphics
[03:26] <scientes> and that broke it
[03:27] <lupin3rd> i havn't installed anything
[03:27] <lupin3rd> thats another problem i have
[03:27] <scientes> it does it automatically if you click "install third-party software"
[03:27] <scientes> in the installer
[03:27] <lupin3rd> oh
[03:27] <lupin3rd> i did that
[03:27] <scientes> yeah
[03:27] <lupin3rd> so how to stop that
[03:27] <scientes> remove the non-free driver
[03:27] <lupin3rd> how
[03:28] <scientes> jockey-gtk
[03:28] <scientes> or go to system settings
[03:28] <scientes> you should turn off the non-free driver anyways
[03:28] <scientes> nvidia or AMD/ATI ?
[03:28] <lupin3rd> amd/ati
[03:28] <scientes> yeah the AMD radeon free driver is pretty good these days, and getting better fast
[03:28] <lupin3rd> ok
[03:28] <scientes> it has better 2D performance than the non-free driver
[03:29] <lupin3rd> ok so i am in system settings
[03:29] <scientes> "hardware drivers"
[03:30] <lupin3rd> doesn't have hardware drivers
[03:30] <lupin3rd> you mean additonal drivers?
[03:30] <scientes> yeah
[03:32] <lupin3rd> yes now waht
[03:32] <lupin3rd> also thanks for this
[03:32] <diraol> now you have to unninstal the video driver lupin3rd
[03:32] <diraol> and them, probably restart the OS.
[03:32] <scientes> you click "remove"
[03:33] <scientes> and then yeah restart
[03:33] <scientes> (you can /etc/init.d/lightdm stop; rmmod fglrx, etc
[03:33] <bjsnider> he hasn't even said fglrx is installed in the first place
[03:33] <scientes> but easier to restart
[03:33] <scientes> well he will see
[03:33] <scientes> in "additional drivers"
[03:33] <lupin3rd> but the atiamd proprirtadriver  post release is not activated
[03:34] <lupin3rd> both arn;t installed
[03:34] <bjsnider> then you are certainly using radeon already
[03:34] <scientes> hmm, well then that isn't the problem
[03:35] <lupin3rd> when i install these drivers i have problems playing 720p movies so i don;t use them
[03:35] <diraol> so, any idea on how i can recover my wireless network password from 11.04 to 12.04?
[03:35] <scientes> diraol, you can save it if you go to networkmanager
[03:35] <scientes> write it down
[03:35] <diraol> but i no longer have the 11.04 OS
[03:36] <scientes> diraol, well, what do you have?
[03:36] <scientes> diraol, did you upgrade?
[03:37] <diraol> all my 11.04 $home files and folders.
[03:37] <diraol> no scientes, i've made a fresh install (but i have a full backup of /home partition).
[03:37] <scientes> diraol, its not stored in /home (AFAIK)
[03:37] <lupin3rd> any idea guys with my brightness control
[03:38] <scientes> lupin3rd, all i can think of is  the "evtest"
[03:38] <scientes> but that is more of a development thing, its more involved
[03:39] <lupin3rd> ahh k
[03:39] <lupin3rd> but why would it work in the live cd and not once installed
[03:39] <scientes> lupin3rd, as i said, that shouldn't happen
[03:39] <diraol> =/ i thought it was on ~/.gconf/system/network (where are the wireless networks informations)
[03:39] <diraol> but ok, i'll try to install the 11.04 again with the same /home i had before and see if it works. Thanks scientes!
[03:40] <scientes> diraol, i highly doubt it,
[03:40] <scientes> diraol, cant you just ask someone for the wireless password?
[03:40] <scientes> diraol, it might be, if it was configured locally
[03:41] <scientes> diraol, use grep "unique part of the SSID of the wireless" -R .gconf
[03:41] <scientes> * ~/.gconf
[03:42] <diraol> scientes, there are so many networks.... but ok.
[03:42] <diraol> i think it would be configured locally, just for my user... that's why i think it would be on /home =)
[03:42] <lupin3rd> also when i do install the amd/ati drivers i have problems watching 720p movies and the start up screen is in a lower res anyone heard of that
[03:42] <diraol> i'll try something like a "recover". If it works i'll come back and tell . =)
[03:43] <scientes> lupin3rd, is this an older computer?
[03:43] <lupin3rd> its a laptop
[03:43] <scientes> cause the non-free drivers do not support some old cards
[03:43] <lupin3rd> quad core amd 1.8
[03:43] <lupin3rd> amd 5650
[03:43] <lupin3rd> 4 gig ram
[03:43] <scientes> yeah thats pretty new
[03:43] <lupin3rd> newish laptop
[03:43] <lupin3rd> i know
[03:44] <lupin3rd> i have tried alot of things with the gpu drivers
[03:44] <lupin3rd> onice i install the amd ones the movies jerky
[03:44] <lupin3rd> 720p
[03:44] <scientes> the VAAPU stuff for movie acceleration is pretty new, could be buggy, IDK
[03:44] <scientes> *VA-API
[03:44] <lupin3rd> but with the standard drivers it works fine
[03:45] <scientes> and well, non-free drivers are buggy by default...
[03:45] <lupin3rd> you think it would be the other way round
[03:45] <scientes> lupin3rd, the randeon driver doesn't use the hardware acceleration IIRC
[03:45] <lupin3rd> but why the low res at startup with new drivers
[03:45] <scientes> lupin3rd, not at all, FOSS is OPEN-SOURCE, meaning anyone that has a problem and some skill can fix their problem (or hire someone to do it)
[03:46] <scientes> with non-free the only person that can possibly address a problem is the person that wrote it, and can see the source
[03:46] <lupin3rd> ahh k
[03:46] <lupin3rd> so i am stuck with the standard drivers
[03:46] <lupin3rd> thas ok thoi
[03:47] <lupin3rd> cause it runs better
[03:47] <scientes> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/ar01s04.html
[03:47] <lupin3rd> that for me?
[03:47] <scientes> "8. Given a large enough beta-tester and co-developer base, almost every problem will be characterized quickly and the fix obvious to someone."
[03:47] <scientes> well, the difference between non-free and FOSS stuff is a big one
[03:47] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:47] <lupin3rd> ok then
[03:48] <scientes> basically with open-source stuff you have the ability to fix your problems, otherwise you are trapped
[03:48] <lupin3rd> also
[03:48] <lupin3rd> with this gay toshiba laptop
[03:48] <scientes> thats why its called "free software" (as in freedom)
[03:48] <scientes> meh, thats not a bad laptop
[03:48] <scientes> but yeah, this thing about your keys sucks
[03:48] <lupin3rd> to turn off wireless you need to hold the fn key down and press f8 but does not work in linux
[03:49] <lupin3rd> how to turn off in terminal?
[03:49] <lupin3rd> like the cmd
[03:49] <scientes> lupin3rd, you should be able to turn off from the network manager
[03:49] <scientes> just right click
[03:49] <scientes> and uncheck "enable wireless"
[03:49] <lupin3rd> yes i can do that but the light still stays on
[03:49] <lupin3rd> in windows it turns off
[03:49] <scientes> but it IS off
[03:49] <scientes> even if the light is on
[03:49] <lupin3rd> in windows i turn it off the light goes off
[03:50] <lupin3rd> but
[03:50] <lupin3rd> if i leave it off in windows and boot to linux
[03:50] <lupin3rd> i can;t turn it on
[03:50] <lupin3rd> get my point
[03:50] <scientes> you can get more information in the /sys/devices
[03:50] <scientes> eek, that is horrible
[03:50] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:51] <scientes> paste.ubuntu.com <-- paste the output of lspci -n
[03:52] <lupin3rd> http://paste.ubuntu.com/882755/
[03:52] <lupin3rd> i may have a way to fix my bightness
[03:52] <scientes> ahh its the notorious broadcom wireless
[03:53] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:53] <lupin3rd> haha
[03:53] <lupin3rd> i know
[03:53] <lupin3rd> but still why in windows when i turn it off the light goes off
[03:53] <lupin3rd> then boot to linux can;t get it to work
[03:54] <scientes> i doubt it would work, but you could try a cold boot
[03:54] <scientes> i.e. take out the battery
[03:54] <lupin3rd> but leave the light on and it disable it and enable it in linux
[03:54] <lupin3rd> but my thoery is that
[03:54] <lupin3rd> if the light is on then its still on useing batteryt
[03:54] <scientes> well with broadcom all my bets are off
[03:54] <lupin3rd> and thats why i get shit battery
[03:54] <lupin3rd> =]
[03:55] <diraol> broadcom b43?
[03:55] <lupin3rd> dont know
[03:55] <lupin3rd> all i know its a gay broadcom
[03:56] <diraol> i have and HP with the bcm43 broadcom wireless board and it's a hell to get it working.
[03:57] <scientes> BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller
[03:57] <diraol> it has it's own will, some times work, some times doesn't. Mine is BCM4311 if i'm not mistaken...
[03:57] <lupin3rd> its working just tryint to turn it off
[03:58] <lupin3rd> also i get shit battery life with this laptop
[03:58] <diraol> hum.... using network manager didn't work?
[03:58] <lupin3rd> what do you guys get
[03:58] <lupin3rd> in windows i even get shit time
[03:58] <lupin3rd> fucking gay amd quad core
[03:58] <lupin3rd> shit for battery
[03:58] <scientes> well, thats not exactly a laptop made for battery life
[03:58] <diraol> i don't use windows at all....
[03:59] <diraol> (i agree with scientes rs)
[03:59] <lupin3rd> yeah
[03:59] <scientes> the best battery life is with ARM
[03:59] <diraol> too much power.....
[04:00] <lupin3rd> for my laptop i am using linux my main desktop i use windows cause of games
[04:00]  * scientes wishes some ARM licencers would just make some netbooks, of even desktops with PCIE etc
[04:00] <lupin3rd> =]
[04:00]  * scientes would suck up a octo-core ARM with PCIE USB3, etc
[04:00] <scientes> aka full-featured
[04:00] <diraol> i have a lenovo core i7 (dual core +  hyperthreading) and i can get 5hr battery.
[04:00] <scientes> wow
[04:01] <diraol> it's a lenovo.... on the beggining it was 9/10hr
[04:01] <scientes> oh wait, only dual core, but still
[04:01] <scientes> thats cause 45nm
[04:01] <lupin3rd> i get 2 hrs max
[04:01] <lupin3rd> its shit
[04:02] <diraol> yeah, i know how it is... my last laptop gave me less than 1hr
[04:02] <lupin3rd> yeah when i got it i wasnt really looking at that
[04:03] <lupin3rd> i just saw the price and the specs and went fuck it can even play games
[04:03] <lupin3rd> but now i would have went for battery
[04:03] <diraol> hehehe... i have a desktop for gamming.... no games on laptop at all
[04:04] <lupin3rd> yeah my desktop is for games
[04:04] <lupin3rd> but this thing can play bf3
[04:04] <lupin3rd> on low tho =]
[04:05] <diraol> btw, my OS recognizes 4 cores....
[04:05] <lupin3rd> yeah but your cpu is only duel
[04:06] <lupin3rd> so yeah about my brightness problem anyone?
[04:07] <lupin3rd> why in live cd it works and not in full istalled
hum.... if you could find out the command to change the brightness, you could try to set the keybord bindings by hand</workarround>
[04:09] <lupin3rd> yeah thats true but why would it work in the live cfd
[04:09] <lupin3rd> and not now
[04:11] <diraol> hum... i'm too newbie to know how to fix it from now on. sorry =/
[04:14] <lupin3rd> thats ok
[04:14] <lupin3rd> i was just asking if anyone knew
[04:24] <BlakJak> righto.. xubuntu problem.. 12.04b1... raft of dependency issues trying to install google earth...
[04:24] <BlakJak> ia32-libs depending on ia32-libs-multiarch depending on a metric buttload of other stuff which is held back or  somesuch
[04:31] <micahg> BlakJak: not a bug, google earth will eventually learn how to depend on what they need
[04:31] <micahg> BlakJak: oh, it won't install? how are you trying to install it
[04:32] <BlakJak> pick a method :)
[04:32] <BlakJak> dpkg -i
[04:32] <BlakJak> or using the gui tool
[04:32] <BlakJak> similar dependency for the skype .deb as well
[04:32] <micahg> after the dpkg -i, you need to run apt-get -f install
[04:33] <BlakJak> right...
[04:33] <BlakJak> each time i do that, it wants to remove chromium-browser
[04:33] <micahg> hmm, not sure why that would happen
[04:34] <micahg> can you try apt-get with -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true?
[04:36] <BlakJak> sorry, please clarify exaclty what syntax i should run?
[04:36] <BlakJak> is that with the -f install?
[04:37] <snadge> i managed to install skype, but it was non trivial
[04:37] <BlakJak> oh goodie
[04:37] <BlakJak> heh
[04:37] <micahg> BlakJak: sorry, apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true -f install
[04:38] <BlakJak> k.. there's quite a bit of info in the answer to that
[04:38] <micahg> BlakJak: can you put it in a pastebin?
[04:39] <BlakJak> this reminds me of rpm dependency hell
[04:39] <BlakJak> heh
[04:41] <BlakJak> http://pastebin.com/0Yz9C86d
[04:44] <micahg> BlakJak: looks like mirror skew, libxfixes is a different version on i386 and amd64, either use a different mirror or wait for it to catch up
[04:44] <micahg> *mirror arch skew
[04:45] <ajmitch> probably using a mirror in NZ, too often they fall behind :)
[04:46] <BlakJak> I expect i'll see the guys who run the NZ mirror soon... i'll let them know ;-)
[04:46]  * BlakJak switches to 'main' server and runs apt-get update
[04:46] <ajmitch> BlakJak: which one?
[04:47] <BlakJak> well, statistically, any of them probably
[04:47] <ajmitch> nz2 used to point to mirror.ihug.co.nz but that fell too far behind :)
[04:47] <BlakJak> not sure exactly which one 'server in new zealand' points to
[04:47] <ajmitch> 'the NZ mirror' generally implies nz.archive.ubuntu.com, which is citylink
[04:47] <BlakJak> markf@hawkeye:~/Downloads$ host nz.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:47] <BlakJak> nz.archive.ubuntu.com is an alias for ubuntu.citylink.co.nz.
[04:47] <BlakJak> ubuntu.citylink.co.nz has address 202.7.6.10
[04:47] <BlakJak> yeah. /me sends an ICQ msg to Citylink
[04:48] <BlakJak> oh, best set up ICQ first.
[04:48] <ajmitch> people still use that? :)
[04:49] <BlakJak> haha
[04:49] <BlakJak> my friend at Citylink is already ducking for cover
[04:49] <BlakJak> wow.. output of apt-get -f install is hugely different
[04:50] <ajmitch> http://mirror.ihug.co.nz/ubuntu/project/trace/ shows just how badly behind it got...
[04:50] <ajmitch> citylink mirror looks only ~24h behind
[04:50] <BlakJak> imma let that run... 85 megs of downloads
[04:50] <ajmitch> (well, just going by the trace file)
[04:51] <micahg> BlakJak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors#yui_3_2_0_1_133170046332234
[04:51] <BlakJak> ajmitch: do I know you, or have we spoken before?
[04:51] <ajmitch> BlakJak: probably way back
[04:51] <micahg> doh, that id was page load specifc
[04:52] <ajmitch> BlakJak: you were on #nzlug, right?
[04:52] <BlakJak> it had an irc channel? I suppose so :p
[04:52] <BlakJak> nzlinux maybe?
[04:52] <ajmitch> yeah I think that was it :)
[04:52] <ajmitch> it's been awhile
[04:53] <BlakJak> yeah, your nick is familiar tho
[04:54] <ajmitch> maybe just from ubuntu stuff
[04:54] <BlakJak> arrrg the default sound prefs in pidgin are asinine
[04:55] <BlakJak> another interesting point, btw... having installed side-by-side with my ubuntu 10.10 installation and ticking the box that said 'copy over my prefs and documents' during installation, nothing was copied over
[04:55] <BlakJak> perhaps coz i changed my username... but nothing else from /home was copied between installs... not a biggie.. but somewhat misleading
[04:56] <BlakJak> this has been a good lesson.. when running a beta it pays to get your updates from as close to the hub as you can
[04:57] <ajmitch> yeah, archive.ubuntu.com is the best but probably slowest
[04:57] <micahg> BlakJak: if your mirror is reliable, it's not that bad unless you upgrading every hour
[04:57] <BlakJak> Citylink tell me that their mirror only updates daily
[04:58]  * micahg uses mirror.anl.gov
[04:58] <BlakJak> the guy who is the main admin for it no longer works for Citylink, not sure what the story there is...
[04:58] <ajmitch> they could have mirrored at just the wrong time for a package to be out of sync between i386 & amd64
[04:58] <ajmitch> problem is it takes a day to come right
[04:59] <micahg> right, also, both those versions have been superseded
[04:59] <ajmitch> 3 uploads of that package in a couple of days
[05:00] <BlakJak> yay... skype works
[05:01] <BlakJak> so does google earth
[05:01] <BlakJak> tho the internal font is shyte
[05:10] <BlakJak> ajmitch, micahg thank you very much for your assistance
[05:10] <ajmitch> no problem
[05:10] <BlakJak> i might lurk here for a bit :-) however it's hometime from work now.
[05:11]  * BlakJak gone
[05:15] <Mylenthes> anyone there
[05:23] <Mylenthes> Anyboody dere?
[06:05] <crizzy> ain't this fun
[06:06] <crizzy> segfault again after setting mouse as evdev device..
[06:06] <crizzy> not sure what to make out of it, but backtrace leads back to libc..
[06:07] <crizzy> like straight from X binary to libc.. fun fun
[06:25] <almoxarife> I want my dnsmasq conf to work! like it did without a hitch till YOU decided you wanted to keep dnsmasq all for your own selves, bad people, bad!
[07:40] <Vonor> hi
[07:40] <Vonor> just installed 12.4 beta alternative in a vmbox  and right after the kernel is loaded i get an error: mountall: no connection to Plymouth
[07:41] <lotuspsychje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/556542
[08:05] <BlakJak> right... so now that i've come home and booted up I don't have any window frames...
[08:05] <BlakJak> found a reference to clearing ~/.cache/sessions but that doesn't seem to be helping
[08:29] <BlakJak> right.. had to install xfwm4 again... seems it'd gotten removed during my last update
[08:29] <BlakJak> odd...
[08:46] <Vonor> ok, i tried with the daily cd from today (12.4 alternative amd64). if i install a normal desktop system it works just fine. if i install a commandline system it won't boot up (seems the splash crashed without giving any output. all I see is a black screen with a blinking underscore cursor)
[08:47] <Vonor> erm, never mind. seems the splash gets stopped after boot and there is no switch to tty1. if i switch tty's manually i get to the login prompt
[08:57] <BlakJak> anyone able to recommend a vnc client for xubuntu? or is it a case of pick any one?
[09:04] <psypher246> hi all, does anyone know how to restart the panel so that the systray whitelists apps reappear. since a few updates ago all my whitelists systray apps dissapear and I have to restart to get them them back, for a little while, I would like a workaround so that I don't have to restart
[09:54] <topyli> gnome-shell in the gnome team ppa is broken, don't upgrade now
[09:54] <Jeeves_> Morning
[10:24] <iceroot> wayland reached 12.04
[10:25] <ikonia> has it ?
[10:25] <ikonia> it's it actually included ?
[10:25] <iceroot> ikonia: yes
[10:25] <ikonia> that's come out of the blue
[10:25] <iceroot> ikonia: but the current gtk3 is not build with wayland enabled
[10:25] <iceroot> ikonia: atm i only have a german link
[10:25] <ikonia> is it being used as an extension or an alternative
[10:25] <iceroot> http://www.golem.de/news/displayserver-wayland-und-weston-in-ubuntu-12-04-1203-90490.html
[10:26] <ikonia> does that mean someone has tested it
[10:26] <iceroot> ikonia: alternative which is not working atm because we have to rebuild gtk3
[10:26] <ikonia> as it "was" going to be included but never made it in
[10:26] <ikonia> is this link saying they have actually confirmed it IS in
[10:26] <iceroot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/954352
[10:26] <iceroot> ikonia: yes
[10:26] <ikonia> interesting
[10:26] <iceroot> ayland has one released version, 0.85, which is in the precise archives: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wayland/
[10:27] <ikonia> I'll have to take a look at that, I looked at wayland on it's own a while back and it was usless as it had nothing it could do
[10:27] <ikonia> be interesting to see how it's being used
[10:27] <iceroot> ikonia: at the moment you cant run wayland with gtk
[10:27] <ikonia> not really surprised
[10:27] <iceroot> ikonia: see bug report because gtk has to be compiled with wayland-enabled-foobar
[10:28] <ikonia> when I looked at it, it was totally worthless for any sort of use
[10:28] <iceroot> and because of the feature freeze its not clear if gtk will be rebuild
[10:28] <ikonia> but then it is new and no-one's really embraced it
[10:29] <iceroot> even 11.10 has wayland now
[10:29] <almoxarife> found the get-around losing dnsmasq, install bind9 and force net-manager to dns from bogus
[10:30] <iceroot> if i get that correct, kde4 can be used with wayland now, gnome/xfce/lxde not at the moment
[10:30] <iceroot> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wayland/0.85.0-1ubuntu1
[10:31] <topyli> it doesn't look like gtk+ will have wayland support in precise. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3MDM
[10:31] <iceroot> topyli: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+3.0/+bug/954352
[10:32] <iceroot> but because of the feature freeze i dont think they will rebuild gtk3 for 12.04
[10:32] <iceroot> but i bet 12.10 will have wayland as alternate and 13.04 as default :)
[10:33] <topyli> can't remember where i read this today, but the maintainers would be willing to add wayland support. the real problem is that gtk won't build on ARM then
[10:33] <topyli> if they get that fixed, then it's another story
[10:33] <iceroot> interesting
[11:42] <slipttees> hi all
[11:42] <slipttees> then
[11:42] <slipttees> sis 771/671 resolution problem
[11:43] <slipttees> http://pastebin.com/vu3fPsj9
[11:44] <slipttees> ndiswrapper won't work too
[11:44] <slipttees> =/
[11:45] <slipttees> put my wfi module in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[11:45] <slipttees> add ndiswrapper in /etc/modules
[11:45] <slipttees> won't work
[11:47] <slipttees> everyone?
[12:14] <vega-_> wtf, now alt key pops up the search bar
[12:14] <vega-_> or unity search/lens whatever
[12:18] <Daekdroom> vega-_, that's HUD
[12:30] <almoxarife> is it possible to change the key-short cut for krunner?
[12:35] <almoxarife> btw, yes it is
[14:18] <uwe> hello, I want to test precise as a client for centralized authenticatin via ldap against 10.04 server; is there any discussions that i can be pointed
[14:19] <uwe> to regarding this issue, since there are multiple packages regarding this issue ...
[14:39] <Captain_Proton> anyone else have alot of kept back packages "empathy empathy-common gnome-online-accounts  unity-common ectc" ?
[14:40] <sbarcteam> hi.
[14:40] <Captain_Proton> also my Banshee menu intergration is broke meaning it does not show in the message menu
[14:40] <sbarcteam> I've installed a box by do-releas-upgrade -d -m server
[14:40] <Captain_Proton> hi
[14:41] <sbarcteam> the machine completed the upgrade, and then failed to use the default kernel 3.2.xx-18
[14:41] <Captain_Proton> i woul not have, but ok
[14:41] <sbarcteam> I had to use the previous machine.
[14:41] <sbarcteam> sorry, s/machine/kernel/
[14:42] <Captain_Proton> can you choose it in grub
[14:43] <sbarcteam> "I had to use the previous kernel" means I am currently still on it.
[14:43] <sbarcteam> so yes, I could choose either.
[14:43] <Captain_Proton> also I would try to update-initramfs -u
[14:44] <sbarcteam> hm... isn't it run over during the upgrade ?
[14:44] <Captain_Proton> should but it could have failed or who knows
[14:47] <sbarcteam> ok.
[14:49] <Guest70485> How do I get gnome back ?
[14:50] <Guest70485> I did 'apt-get install gnome' and am waiting for the install. Does this include everything ?
[14:53] <jokerdino> Guest70485: which one are you trying to install?
[14:53] <jokerdino> gnome-fallback i presume?
[14:53] <jokerdino> !gnome-fallback
[14:54] <sbarcteam> Captain_Proton: update-initramfs -u updates EXISTING initramfs.
[14:54] <sbarcteam> I want to update specific, not current.
[14:54] <Guest70485> I don't know, Unity interface is totally incompatible with mice, and lxde has too many limitations. I can't find anyway to use ubuntu
[14:54] <accipter> anyone else having problems with alt+tab working after the latest upgrade? the tab is now caught by the application. however, if i do alt+~ first then i can alt+tab through windows
[14:55] <sbarcteam> hm... Captain_Proton the initramfs line was missing. after running update-grub the lines appeared.
[14:55] <sbarcteam> rebooting now... hoping for the best.
[14:56] <jokerdino> Guest70485: if you are trying to install the fallback the command is sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback
[15:01] <Captain_Proton> accipter, there is a a check box to tell it to do all computer or per desktop but you need ccsm compiz-manager
[15:01] <sbarcteam> Captain_Proton: it worked.
[15:01] <sbarcteam> well, upgrade from lucid completed.
[15:02] <sbarcteam> many tails are probably remained, will sort them out now.
[15:02] <Captain_Proton> sbarcteam, sweet sorry I watch JOE's dad use ubuntu for the first time
[15:02] <Captain_Proton> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ltE_ekc8kE8
[15:03] <qman__> I'm having a problem with a 12.04 server, I installed a daily build a while ago and it's been working fine, but today I went to update it and it isn't working, none of the repositories hit
[15:03] <qman__> I notice it's looking for InRelease, and when I look at the repository, there is only Release
[15:03] <qman__> is there a way to fix that?
[15:04] <uwe> is there a group of experts of matter or similar related to centralized authentication related issues. i think i saw this before but i'm unable to find it :S
[15:04] <uwe> or group of individuals interested in this at least ...
[15:09] <qman__> sources.list and errors I get: http://pastebin.com/Lwnm7c8f
[15:11] <qman__> nevermind, resolvconf broke dns, sorry for the false alarm
[15:14] <david_> I think Ubuntu 12.04 should be called 'Windows Vista beta 1'
[15:15] <ironhalik> uh?
[15:16] <david_> I switched to linux in 2006, I am switching back to Windows. Ubuntu 12.04 is unusable ( unity interface is unusable unless I type name of programs, which means I have to jump between my mouse and keyboard ), the alternative interfaces are missing basic fonctionality.
[15:16] <iceroot> david_: [] you know what beta means
[15:16] <david_> Yes
[15:16] <david_> It means all the crashes I had should be reported if not already, but has nothing to do with the usability of the software.
[15:17] <david_> I am complaining about the performance and UI and not the fact that is is a beta.
[15:17] <iceroot> david_: of course, bug does not mean error, its also something like a feature request
[15:17] <david_> it is*
[15:17] <ironhalik> feel free to use the alternatives, including windows
[15:17] <david_> this version 12.04 will be a regression of bug #1
[15:17] <iceroot> david_: stop flaming
[15:17] <iceroot> david_: use kde, lxde, xfce4 or whatever you want
[15:19] <iceroot> or report bugs what features you are missing
[15:19] <uwe> david_, um, can you elaborate :)
[15:19] <iceroot> but dont flame in this channel, it makes you ignored very fast
[15:19] <iceroot> we are ALWAYS open for a usefull discussion, but this strange flaming is not needed here
[15:20] <uwe> err, sorry, i did not see comments after your initial one ...
[15:20] <ironhalik> he left
[15:22] <Sidewinder1> Not a significant loss, IMHO.
[15:37] <jbwiv> is anyone aware of a way to move the unity launcher bar? I have three monitors and it insists on staying on the left hand monitor...changing ~/.config/monitors.xml doesn't seem to change anything. This is on Ubuntu 2D.
[15:37] <mcamaret> jbwiv: there is a compiz addon to replace regular unity that moves the launcher to the bottom.
[15:38] <mcamaret> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/install-ubuntu-unity-bottom-launcher.html
[15:38] <jbwiv> mcamaret, does it work with 2d?
[15:38] <jbwiv> I'm guessing not if it's a compiz plugin
[15:40] <mcamaret> no
[15:40] <jbwiv> mcamaret, thanks anyway :(
[15:41] <mcamaret> jbwiv: I thought precise showed the launcher multiple times
[15:41] <mcamaret> on seperate monitors
[15:44] <jbwiv> mcamaret, that's not my experience so far on three monitors with xinerama
[15:44] <jbwiv> and ubuntu 2d
[15:49] <Q-FUNK> seems that the new gogl/clutter breaks the current gnome-shell.  is there a new gnome-shell in incoming?
[15:50] <Dreaman> ubuntu 12.04 is perfect
[15:50] <Dreaman> :)
[15:55] <trism> Q-FUNK: should be soon, was blocked on the clutter update: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/941755
[15:55] <Q-FUNK> trism: oh, good
[16:07] <crond> I've come to complain that I've nothing to complain about. 12.04 is running nice and stable-y.
[16:09] <brendand> crond, you mean it's not the worst thing ever? another guy had me convinced it was :)
[16:10] <crond> brendand, nah it's all humming along well for me, though, given that 11.10 has no video at *all* on my gpu, even in console, anything is an improvement ;)
[16:10] <crond> the only crashes I've had are from stuff like the updater... the gui version.  apt-get upgrade works just fine :P
[16:13] <crond> catalyst 12.2 + ubuntu 12.04 = great.
[16:25] <zzecool> ironhalik: ?  ;p
[16:33] <scar3crow> nice job dev's!
[16:40] <scar3crow> will there be options in "appearance" dialogue to scale, resize, tile the wallpaper?
[16:41] <zzecool> scar3crow: it is there
[16:41] <scar3crow> really... not on my machine :(
[16:42] <scar3crow> maybe re-install?
[16:42] <topyli> ahh. gnome-shell broke with this morning's update, a fix already available. yay gnome team
[16:42] <zzecool> scar3crow: i dont htink
[16:42] <zzecool> think
[16:42] <scar3crow> k
[16:42] <zzecool> print screen your appearence dialog
[16:42] <zzecool> and post the SS here
[16:42] <zzecool> im curious
[16:42] <scar3crow> where is file plz?
[16:43] <zzecool> what file ?
[16:43] <scar3crow> oh dug wait
[16:43] <zzecool> ;p
[16:45] <scar3crow> zzecool: http://edenprofessionalservices.dyndns.org/appearance.png
[16:45] <zzecool> scar3crow: hmm strange
[16:46] <scar3crow> yep
[16:46] <zzecool> are you fully updated ?
[16:46] <scar3crow> yep
[16:46] <zzecool> maybe im not the one
[16:46] <zzecool> i just check more updates landed
[16:46] <zzecool> wait for me to update
[16:47] <zzecool> and check if it broken
[16:47] <scar3crow> and... is there an applet for the panel for alsa mixer?
[16:47] <scar3crow> (I uninstalled pulse for gaming)
[16:47] <zzecool> ah i dont rly know
[16:47] <zzecool> whats the problems with gaming and pulse?
[16:47] <scar3crow> no sound
[16:47] <zzecool> duh
[16:47] <scar3crow> or sound lag
[16:48] <zzecool> what are you playing ? =)
[16:48] <scar3crow> doom 3 quake 4
[16:48] <zzecool> =)
[16:48] <scar3crow> ;)
[16:49] <scar3crow> games run WAY better under ubuntu tan in winder$
[16:49] <zzecool> glosoli:  :)
[16:49] <glosoli> zzecool: hey :) how's going
[16:49] <zzecool> i found a very frustating bug
[16:49] <zzecool> based on the dodge removal
[16:50]  * jokerdino thinks hard.
[16:50] <glosoli> zzecool: name it
[16:50] <zzecool> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/930148
[16:50] <glosoli> I found very big bug in whole Unity Design team.
[16:50] <zzecool> its in the 3 latest comments by me
[16:51] <zzecool> :o
[16:51] <zzecool> tell me
[16:51] <glosoli> zzecool: wait I will show you video.
[16:51] <zzecool> ok
[16:52] <zzecool> check mine first :)
[16:52] <zzecool> im login out brb
[16:52] <zzecool> updates
[16:54] <zzecool> back
[16:54] <zzecool> scar3crow: i did the latest update but im ok
[16:55] <zzecool> i think your install is borged
[16:55] <scar3crow> odd
[16:55] <scar3crow> yeah prolly
[16:55] <zzecool> try to update using the main archive server
[16:55] <zzecool> ones more
[16:55] <scar3crow> will wait tho
[16:55] <glosoli> zzecool: that's not a bug by Dodge :)
[16:55] <zzecool> and restart
[16:55] <scar3crow> ah, good call
[16:55] <scar3crow> will do
[16:55] <scar3crow> bbiab
[16:55] <scar3crow> ty zz
[16:55] <zzecool> glosoli: that is based on the absence  of dodge
[16:56] <zzecool> np
[16:56] <glosoli> zzecool: it's just a website or addon writed stupidly
[16:56] <glosoli> :)
[16:56] <zzecool> the website is tranforming based on your resolution
[16:56] <zzecool> its a new tech  glosoli
[16:56] <zzecool> you are getting old
[16:56] <jokerdino> bootstrap
[16:56] <jokerdino> ?
[16:57] <glosoli> As I told you once, I will repeat, it's idiotic programmers problem not knowing how to make expandible gui :)
[16:57] <zzecool> yes
[16:57] <zzecool> :)
[16:57] <zzecool> its a way to understand and chenge the ui based on resolution , if you are a phone a tablet a small screen or a hude tv
[16:57] <glosoli> THe same problem will consist in mac os x if you make dock to be in the left side of screen
[16:57] <glosoli> :)
[16:57] <zzecool> huge*
[16:58] <glosoli> there is no way you are getting dodge back :)
[16:58] <jokerdino> highly unlikely yeah
[16:58] <glosoli> And for even showing that video, Mark will not even care of any other of your opinions
[16:58] <jokerdino> unity-2d still has dodge when i checked last time
[16:58] <zzecool> for reasons noones knows...
[16:58] <zzecool> jokerdino: yes
[16:58] <glosoli> http://youtu.be/ltE_ekc8kE8
[16:58] <glosoli> here is the reason
[16:58] <glosoli> That video shows typical users
[16:58] <glosoli> which is majority of the world
[16:58] <glosoli> programmers and power users are the minority
[16:59] <glosoli> And you will see how hiding global menu items, and close max min when windos is closed affects usibility
[16:59] <zzecool> glosoli: i watched the whole video this morning
[16:59] <glosoli> UNity Design team sometimes don't have any sense of user
[16:59] <zzecool> he isnt not confused at all by dodge
[16:59] <zzecool> he i s confused with everything else than dodge..........
[16:59] <glosoli> zzecool: I didin't said about dodge
[16:59] <zzecool> please take some time and watch it
[16:59] <glosoli> I was talking about whole dsign concept
[16:59] <glosoli> :)
[16:59] <zzecool> ahh
[16:59] <glosoli> People don't like important things to be hidden from them
[17:00] <zzecool> the dodge was the first thing he discover
[17:00] <zzecool> ......
[17:00] <glosoli> zzecool: well yes, but he said he likes always seing it
[17:00] <glosoli> navigating quickly
[17:00] <zzecool> thats true in terms of speed
[17:00] <glosoli> If you watch whole his videos with Windows 8 and Mac OS X first time
[17:00] <glosoli> you will understand
[17:00] <zzecool> i did
[17:00] <glosoli> Just for some geeks and power users
[17:00] <glosoli> nobody cares
[17:00] <glosoli> and that's the point
[17:01] <jokerdino> i would say showing launcher at all times be made default and dodge an option.
[17:01] <jokerdino> like how the LIM seems to shape up
[17:01] <zzecool> jokerdino: true
[17:01] <zzecool> but there will be problems
[17:01] <zzecool> like the video ihave posted on the bug report
[17:01] <glosoli> zzecool: VIDEO IS NOT DODGE PROBLEM.
[17:01] <glosoli> Contact developers
[17:01] <zzecool> .........
[17:01] <glosoli> of that piece of shit
[17:01] <glosoli> addon you are using
[17:01] <jokerdino> zzecool: quickly sum up the points,
[17:02] <jokerdino> glosoli: eh..
[17:02] <glosoli> they did wrong max min pixels in addon
[17:02] <glosoli> that's their problem
[17:02] <zzecool> glosoli: take some time think
[17:02] <zzecool> and come back
[17:02] <jokerdino> it is not an addon, but the new web technology
[17:02] <zzecool> let him
[17:02] <jokerdino> it adjusts the screen space based on the browser width or something like that
[17:02] <glosoli> jokerdino: I don't even care if it's an addon website or whatever, It has It's own thing of setting pixels, OR DOESNT IT ?
[17:03] <glosoli> as I said
[17:03] <glosoli> It has it's own max min pixels for showing 4 columns
[17:03] <bazhang> glosoli, calm down  and watch the language
[17:03] <jokerdino> let's just keep this discussion as civil as possible
[17:03] <glosoli> bazhang: I just can't keep calm when people trying to talk about programming faults some developers make to argue against something that doesn't make sense
[17:04] <zzecool> glosoli: yes glosoli and it is based on default resolutions   not some customs that we have in ubuntu using the launcher in neverhide
[17:04] <bazhang> glosoli, then exit the channel and come back when you are calm
[17:04] <glosoli> zzecool: Check on your Os X, put dock to the left side of screen, you will get the same. Then Blame Apple too
[17:04] <zzecool> glosoli: we are speaking about the default  out of the box experience
[17:05] <glosoli> zzecool: Ok, as following your logic, it means it's canonical fault of not having Adobe Photoshop  :)
[17:05] <zzecool> i think oyu dont understand a word aout what im saying
[17:05] <zzecool> you*
[17:05] <glosoli> Just because programmers who make it ,are not going to. The same with that technologie you shown
[17:05] <glosoli> I think you don't understand how things work
[17:06] <bazhang> lets keep it civil please
[17:07] <glosoli> bazhang: so answer me, is it Ubuntu fault that some website technologie adjust their min max expanding levels and column sets in the wrong way ?
[17:08] <bazhang> glosoli, I'll ask again to calm down.
[17:08] <glosoli> bazhang: I am just asking you. Would you mind answering ?
[17:08] <bazhang> glosoli, not interested in finding fault. this channel is for testing and bug fixing.
[17:09] <glosoli> bazhang: so what's the point of bringing over and over the same bug, to which Mark already answered as It will never be fixed :) ?
[17:09] <zzecool> because it produced more problems to me glosoli
[17:10] <jokerdino> w?e are not getting anywhere, are we
[17:10] <bazhang> thats enough.
[17:10] <topyli> where's the vlc browser plugin? can't find any. is it thrown in the main vlc package now?
[17:11]  * glosoli will not talk ever again here about that dodge thing which was overtalked million times  :) 
[17:11] <bazhang> !find vlc
[17:11]  * jokerdino hopes glosoli keeps his promise ;)
[17:16] <bazhang> !info mozilla-plugin-vlc
[17:16] <bazhang> what!
[17:16] <topyli> that's what i said :)
[17:19] <bazhang> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/i386/mozilla-plugin-vlc/1.1.11-2build2
[17:19] <bazhang> something called "launchpadlibrarian has it.
[17:22] <topyli> the version number does not fill me with confidence. we're on vlc 2.0
[17:23] <trism> it is the old version though, from the changelog for 2.0.0-1: "Remove dropped mozilla-plugin-vlc, The Mozilla browser plug-in is now provided by a separate source tarball."
[17:23] <trism> I haven't been able to locate said tarball though
[17:25] <topyli> well, i removed totem and can confirm the plugin is not bundled with the main vlc package either. no plugin in my browser now
[17:27] <micahg> topyli: it's been moved to a separate source now which needs to be sync'd
[17:27] <topyli> this language i do not understand
[17:28] <jokerdino> micahg: oh?
[17:28] <webm0nk3y> does anyone know a workaround to a problem installing P from a USB and using the partition editor? mine always crashes
[17:28]  * jokerdino looks for the upstream package
[17:29] <micahg> jokerdino: it's now in npapi-vlc
[17:29] <jokerdino> i see.
[17:29] <jokerdino> i think we should switch to #ubuntu-devel perhaps..
[17:30] <micahg> jokerdino: -motu ,but sure
[17:30] <jokerdino> well, i am everywhere
[17:30] <topyli> they've hidden the mythical tarball well
[17:30]  * jokerdino more zombie time tonight
[17:33] <topyli> npapi-vlc has a nice launchpad page, but no tarball for topylies
[17:34] <trism> topyli: http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/2.0.0/ I think
[17:34] <topyli> trism: oh, thanks!
[17:34] <topyli> it's like installing java in 1999 :)
[17:36] <topyli> oh, it's even better. we had binary packages for java at least
[17:36] <trism> based on bug 955028 I imagine it will be in the repo soon
[17:37] <micahg> yeah, it's in source NEW, it needs archive admin review
[17:38]  * topyli aborts build
[17:44] <sere>  hey all
[17:46] <spacebug-> still no fix for the shortcut keys in newer unity
[17:47] <zzecool> spacebug-: ?
[17:48] <zzecool> spacebug-: what problems ?
[17:51] <spacebug-> zzecool: I reported this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/953349
[17:51] <bazhang> !info gimp
[17:51] <zzecool> let me check
[17:52] <spacebug-> suddenly a change in unity made that. Was not like that before
[17:52] <zzecool> spacebug-: ermm
[17:52] <zzecool> spacebug-: everytime there is a compiz or unity update
[17:52] <zzecool> even though you are not changing any shortcuts
[17:53] <zzecool> they go off for some reason
[17:53] <zzecool> the workaround is
[17:53] <zzecool> to go into ccsm
[17:53] <zzecool> and disable and re enable the shortcuts
[17:53] <zzecool> :)
[17:53] <zzecool> one by one
[17:53] <zzecool> those with the problem
[17:53] <spacebug-> zzecool: the problem is not to get them to work again, but they algo gets sent to the running application
[17:54] <spacebug-> they DO change desktop for me.. but also terminal gets the ctrl characters
[17:54] <spacebug-> that is wrong
[17:54] <glosoli> spacebug-: what's the problem ?
[17:54] <zzecool> yes because it is like you dont have those shortcuts
[17:54] <zzecool> spacebug-: oh
[17:54] <zzecool> this is new then
[17:55] <spacebug-> so the bindings work but they should not be sent ro the application but only do what they are binded to
[17:55] <zzecool> i have opened a temrinal and pressing alt + left or right  ( this is my shortcuts )  changing workspaces without getting any input on the terminal
[17:55] <zzecool> terminal*
[17:55] <spacebug-> zzecool: but setting the shortcuts as I describe in my bug?
[17:55] <zzecool> i cant reproduce it
[17:56] <zzecool> wait
[17:56] <glosoli> spacebug-: with a terminal window opened you get chars in the window of terminal when pressing some hotkeys ?
[17:56] <spacebug-> glosoli: look at my bug report
[17:56] <glosoli> spacebug-: gime me link
[17:56] <glosoli> give'
[17:56] <spacebug-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/953349
[17:57] <zzecool> spacebug-: i cant reproduce it
[17:57] <zzecool> i tried
[17:57] <spacebug-> it was not like this before and this came after a change to unity a few days ago. And yes it is over all my test machines
[17:57] <zzecool> ;/
[17:57] <spacebug-> zzecool: you use ctrl+F1 to F4 to change desktop?
[17:58] <glosoli> spacebug-: you're on kde ?
[17:58] <spacebug-> glosoli: no
[17:58] <glosoli> spacebug-: "InstallationMedia: Kubuntu 11.10 "Oneiric Ocelot" - Release amd64 (20111012)" ?
[17:59] <zzecool> spacebug-: i assign them to move left or right
[17:59] <spacebug-> glosoli: yes upgraded to ubuntu 12.04 beta. Thus is still the same on my other machine with only the beta 1 install
[17:59] <zzecool> where i can assign them to change to a specific workspace ?
[17:59] <spacebug-> zzecool: then you did not do as the bug report ;)
[17:59] <zzecool> yes
[17:59] <spacebug-> zzecool: system settings, keyboard, shortcut, navigaion
[17:59] <zzecool> please tell me where in ccsm you can assign this
[17:59] <zzecool> ok
[17:59] <spacebug-> not in ccsm
[17:59] <zzecool> let me try
[18:00] <spacebug-> but you can do ut there also
[18:00] <glosoli> System settings, keybaord layout shortcuts
[18:00] <glosoli> :)
[18:00] <glosoli> keyboard''
[18:01] <spacebug-> the pre set ctrl+alt+arrow keys does not get sent so they work
[18:01] <glosoli> spacebug-: yes
[18:01] <glosoli> can reproduce it
[18:01] <spacebug-> but I have always had and want ctrl+F# for my workspaces so I can change then with one hand
[18:01] <spacebug-> glosoli: ok good
[18:02] <glosoli> "glosoli@asus:~$ ;5R
[18:02] <glosoli> "
[18:02] <zzecool> it doesnt work at all for me
[18:02] <spacebug-> glosoli: and that is new since an update to unity a few days ago
[18:02] <glosoli> zzecool: you are doing wrong :)
[18:02] <zzecool> i cant do nothing wrong here
[18:02] <glosoli> zzecool: you show scroll down a bit, otherwise you are setting bindings for moving window not the view
[18:03] <spacebug-> glosoli: also very ennoing when a plugin in firefox gets them (session control) so everytime I'm changeing away från firefox on desktop 2 to desktop 1 I get "save session" question up
[18:03] <jeggy> Hey, i am using ubuntu 12.04 beta 64bit, and i have a problem with the wireless connection, how do i fill out a bug report ? i don't know what to put it under. "ubuntu-bug wireless-network" or something like that?
[18:03] <spacebug-> cant use unity like this so now I'm on gnome-fallback
[18:03] <glosoli> !ubuntu-bug
[18:04] <glosoli> hmm what's the command for that ingo ?
[18:04] <glosoli> info''
[18:04] <zzecool> spacebug-: ok i made it
[18:04] <zzecool> im pressing affect me
[18:04] <glosoli> !bug
[18:04] <glosoli> jeggy: here you go :)
[18:04] <spacebug-> ;)
[18:05] <glosoli> spacebug-: Ah, As I don't use Firefox anymore, can reproduce that one, mayne some day I will switch back, as FF is giving attention to web developers by adding many tools inside the ff
[18:06] <spacebug-> glosoli: ok
[18:06] <jeggy> i don't know the package name of it? and when i just write ubuntu-bug and choose "other problem" i get this "You need to specify a package or a PID. See --help for more information."
[18:07] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm wait
[18:07] <jeggy> its just the wireless which isn't working
[18:07] <glosoli> jeggy: what exactly is your problem ?
[18:07] <glosoli> jeggy: are you on dell ?
[18:08] <jeggy> when im looking for wireless connection i find mine and after i put in the security key it says i have internet connection but nothing works
[18:08] <jeggy> yes
[18:08] <glosoli> jeggy: that's a common problem, have you tryed "Additional Drivers" app and seing if there is any offer for you ?
[18:09] <jeggy> yes the list is empty
[18:09] <glosoli> jeggy: can you wait 5 minutes ? I will try to contact some of my friends, he had the same problem :)
[18:09] <jeggy> yeah :D thanks
[18:10] <glosoli> jeggy: meanwhile, would you mind naming your laptop name ?
[18:10] <glosoli> with model I mean
[18:10] <jeggy> Dell XPS 15 l502x
[18:12] <glosoli> jeggy: trying to contact another one :D
[18:12] <jeggy> thank you very much :D
[18:14] <jeggy> is it just me or do Dell computers always have problems? i had a HP for 3 years and everything was fine and then i got this one everything got screwed didn't even work with ubuntu 10.10 but when 11.04 came it worked but the graphic driver is not working as it should
[18:14] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm, might sound crazy, have you tryed turning on wireless by hotkey on the keyboard something like FN + F2  or any other you should see an incon on the keyboard button
[18:15] <jeggy> no its not that, i have tried turning it off and on again, but what actually happens is that i find our router and get connection but when i go onto the browser nothing works
[18:16] <jeggy> but when im using ethernet it works
[18:16] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm, have you trying in terminal "ping google.com"
[18:16] <glosoli> while being on wireless
[18:16] <jeggy> gonna try
[18:16] <jeggy> brb ;)
[18:18] <jeggy> back
[18:18] <glosoli> jeggy: on wireless ?
[18:18] <jeggy> nope
[18:18] <jeggy> got this "ping: unknown host google.com"
[18:18] <jeggy> but it said i had wireless connection
[18:19] <glosoli> jeggy: there was some problem for me, even when I turn on wireless in my laptop, it must go to that networking icon in panel and press "Enable Wireless"
[18:20] <jeggy> glosoli: yes, but if its not enabled i wouldn't find our router :/
[18:20] <jeggy> i can try and look at my bios?
[18:20] <glosoli> jeggy: nah
[18:21] <glosoli> jeggy: if it finds router
[18:21] <glosoli> you could try to look at your router
[18:21] <glosoli> jeggy: for me it looks more like your router isn't giving the connection
[18:21] <glosoli> jeggy: do you have any other wireless devices at home, which you can try ?
[18:21] <jeggy> yeah, wait a second
[18:22] <glosoli> jeggy: In my router for example I am shown of ports forwarded for my wireless devices which are using it
[18:22] <glosoli> should be the same for yours
[18:25] <jeggy> glosoli: i tried a toshiba with windows on it, but the wireless was working fine on there
[18:26] <zzecool> jeggy: what is your router ip ?
[18:26] <glosoli> jeggy: hmm, are you able to connect to router admin page while being on wireless to check if there is any port forwarded ?
[18:27] <jeggy> nope, can't get in my router while being on wireless
[18:28] <zzecool> jeggy: open a terminal and type ifconfig wlan0
[18:28] <zzecool> what is your addr : ?
[18:28] <zzecool> it is on the  2nd line
[18:28] <jeggy>  inet addr:192.168.1.255  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.255
[18:28] <jeggy> that?
[18:28] <zzecool> yes
[18:29] <zzecool> try to ping 192.68.1.1
[18:29] <ironhalik> .255?
[18:29] <ironhalik> strange
[18:29] <zzecool> hmm
[18:29] <jeggy> PING 192.68.1.1 (192.68.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
[18:29] <jeggy> From 80.77.128.154 icmp_seq=18 Destination Host Unreachable
[18:30] <jeggy> while using ethernet
[18:30] <zzecool> ermm
[18:30] <zzecool> why are you using ethernet?
[18:30] <glosoli> he can't access internet via wifi
[18:31] <jeggy> it says wifi works but it doesn't
[18:31] <glosoli> jeggy: is there only computer in the house ?
[18:31] <jeggy> that has wifi, yes
[18:32] <zzecool> jeggy: how did you setup your wlan ? are you having a static ip  or it is in auto  - dhcp?
[18:32] <glosoli> jeggy: Connect that laptop to wifi, login to the router administration via some other computer, and check if it forwards any ports for your laptop :)
[18:32] <RobinJ1995> why does my ubuntu 12.04 installation suddenly ask to do a distribution upgrade? (as in going from 12.04 to 12.04, not as in apt-get dist-upgrade)
[18:32] <zzecool> glosoli:
[18:33] <jeggy> glosoli: where do i find that ?
[18:33] <glosoli> jeggy: router administration panel ?
[18:33] <zzecool> jeggy:  please listen to me
[18:33] <zzecool> for some strange reason you are having the broadcasting ip address asigned on your pc
[18:33] <zzecool> glosoli: please hold a minute
[18:34] <zzecool> jeggy: how did you setup up your wireless connection ?
[18:34] <jeggy> i don't know
[18:34] <zzecool> ok
[18:34] <glosoli> RobinJ1995: it's a version of packages, distribution packages :)
[18:34] <zzecool> press the wireless icon
[18:34] <zzecool> go to edit connections
[18:34] <zzecool> its on the bottom
[18:34] <zzecool> did you find it ?
[18:34] <jeggy> yes
[18:34] <zzecool> go to 2nd tab
[18:35] <zzecool> wireless
[18:35] <zzecool> find in there you wireless name
[18:35] <jeggy> found
[18:35] <zzecool> select it and press edit
[18:35] <zzecool> mode should be infrastructure
[18:36] <zzecool> is it ?
[18:36] <jeggy> yes
[18:36] <zzecool> ok
[18:36] <zzecool> go to the 2nd tab
[18:36] <zzecool> ipv4
[18:36] <jeggy> yes
[18:36] <zzecool> method should be automatic dhcp
[18:36] <zzecool> is it ?
[18:36] <jeggy> no
[18:36] <jeggy> was on manual
[18:37] <zzecool> ok is there any reaosn to be on manual ?
[18:37] <zzecool> who did this ?
[18:37] <glosoli> interesting hm
[18:37] <jeggy> wait a min im gonna test it out now
[18:37] <zzecool> jeggy: wait
[18:37] <zzecool> dont test
[18:37] <zzecool> just answer me
[18:37] <zzecool> im trying to help
[18:38] <zzecool> if you gonna put this on auto your router should  have a dhcp server running to give you an ip
[18:38] <zzecool> most router have dchp by defualt
[18:38] <zzecool> but
[18:39] <zzecool> if for some reason you want to run any service on this pc that needs a port forward you either need upnp service on router or static ip on your pc
[18:39] <zzecool> an port forward on the router side*
[18:40] <zzecool> i bet puting the method to auto should just work
[18:40] <glosoli> jeggy_: working ?
[18:40] <zzecool> prolly
[18:40] <jeggy_> I'm really sorry zzecool and glosoli
[18:40] <jeggy_> yes it works now :P
[18:41] <zzecool> you dont need to sry
[18:41] <zzecool> read my previous comments
[18:41] <glosoli> jeggy_: I am just interested you havent changed nothing in that connection properties by default ?
[18:41] <jeggy_> i disconnected to test it out, so i didn't get them
[18:41] <jeggy_> oh it was me who did it
[18:42] <zzecool> i send them to you
[18:42] <zzecool> if you dont know what port forward is  or if you dont want to run a service like ftp  or web server
[18:42] <zzecool> then you are ok with this setup
[18:43] <jeggy_> i don't :P
[18:43] <zzecool> do you download torrents ? :)
[18:43] <jeggy_> of course :P
[18:43] <zzecool> then you need ;p
[18:43] <jeggy_> and i use filezilla
[18:44] <zzecool> jeggy_: read this  :)
[18:44] <zzecool> http://portforward.com/help/portforwarding.htm
[18:45] <glosoli> zzecool: might be that his rauter allows portforwarding automatically from software
[18:45] <glosoli> :)
[18:45] <jeggy_> will do :D
[18:45] <glosoli> router''
[18:45] <jeggy_> Thank you very much, i love these irc channels :D started to use them yesterday  :P
[18:46] <jeggy_> the ubuntu ones*
[18:46] <zzecool> jeggy_: yes but your questions belong to a more general channel like ubuntu
[18:46] <jeggy_> i was there but they sent me here
[18:46] <zzecool> here we are bug hunting for precise
[18:46] <zzecool> :)
[18:46] <glosoli> they are always sending people here.
[18:46] <zzecool> because you said you are using precise
[18:47] <zzecool> but your question is not relevant
[18:47] <zzecool> its was a general one
[18:47] <jeggy_> yea, sorry for that :P
[18:47] <jeggy_> maybe i will be back soon, i had a problem with dual monitors in ubuntu 11.10 but im gonna test that out in a bit in 12.04
[18:48] <zzecool> lol
[18:48] <zzecool> this is a weak point
[18:48] <zzecool> ;p
[18:49] <jeggy_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/112260/dualscreen-not-working-when-using-a-dell-xps-15-via-an-hdmi-cable-to-a-tv tried everything yesterday and it ended with that i destroyed ubuntu, so now i use 12.04
[18:51] <jeggy_> but thanks again and bye
[19:01] <danielc> Hi. I have a lot of files like ~/.goutputstream-2XYZAW or ~/.goutputstream-2XYZAW polluting my home folder. It started after I upgrated to 12.04. Anyone known which program may be creating (and not removing) this tmp files? I would like to fill a bug report about it.
[19:02] <danielc> Ops, I messed up the example. :) The files have names in the format
[19:02] <danielc>   ~/.goutputstream-XXXXXX
[19:07] <danielc> I've posted this on Ubuntu foruns [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11754335] but no one else replyed.
[19:08] <spaceneedle> Bug: If you press the little house icon on the dash the dash gets darker and darker. I'm using 11.10.
[19:10] <ironhalik> house icon? :D
[19:11] <tomreyn> hi, i just installed beta1, did a did-upgrade and then tried to install the "megaglest", running into depedency issues. apparently we're lacking a 3.6.0.3 megaglest-data package in ubuntu. it's available in debian, though. can this be fixed before release?
[19:15] <ironhalik> tomreyn: You can file a bug, theres a good chance it will be sorted out
[19:22] <alkisg> My UI languge is el_GR.UTF-8 and my keyboard layout us,gr. lightdm keeps breaking them occasionally, and I either get an english UI or/and an english only keyboard layout.
[19:22] <alkisg> I also have autologin enabled, so I'm not doing anything to break them, it just happens randomly.
[19:22] <alkisg> I then delete my .dmrc, and /var/cache/lightdm/dmrc, and after a couple of tries I manage to fix them again (I don't want to use the language selector, I just want to have the system defaults)
[19:22] <alkisg> And after 10-20 automatic logins, they break again.
[19:23] <alkisg> Anyone else experienced that behavior?
[19:24] <alkisg> Or, any way to pinpoint the problem so that I file a good bug report about it?
[19:28] <lukescharf> Is anyone else seeing gnome-shell crashes on Precise today?
[19:30] <alkisg> Ah, I also have 100% xorg cpu usage and metacity crashes randomly the last week (not sure if it's related at all to what lukescharf just said, just mentioning in case someone saw those too)
[19:33] <lukescharf> I didn't capture the error message the first few times through.  The last time I saw it, it was just a straight-up segmentation fault.
[19:34] <lukescharf> Before that, the error messages and googling suggested a connection to libcogl
[19:35] <lukescharf> It ran fine on the resident gnome-shell until I decided to patch-and-reboot around midday.
[19:42] <trism> lukescharf: we are in the middle of a transition to the new version of gnome-shell and its dependencies, right now it is waiting on mutter to build, try updated again a bit later
[19:44] <lukescharf> Great!
[19:44] <lukescharf> That's what I was hoping to hear -- I knew what I was getting in to when I decided to run a pre-release system.  :-)
[19:45] <lukescharf> But I did want to make sure the problem had been reported, and I didn't have enough for a regular bug report.
[19:46] <spaceneedle> Bug Update: You can ONLY change the color of the dash by pressing the icons on the dash if  the dash blur is shutoff via compiz on ubuntu 11.10.
[20:07] <Mylenthes> EY!
[20:10] <ironhalik> Is there any way to bypass BIOS fan control from OS level?
[20:10] <imark> anyone using cinnamon 1.4, i cant log in with it for the last day or 2
[20:10] <ironhalik> currently I have i8kutils fighting over fan control with BIOS hardcoded settings
[20:10] <ironhalik> it causes the fan to cycle, depending on i8k refresh rate
[20:11] <jesse_> herro
[20:12] <jesse_> HEllo
[20:12] <teratoma> what
[20:12] <jesse_> I cant get gnomeshell to work
[20:12] <jesse_> freezes
[20:14] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:18] <trism> maybe somebody should updated the /topic about the gnome-shell transition until it is finished
[20:19] <trism> update, I can't type in proper tense today
[20:22] <ironhalik> whats with gnome-shell?
[20:23] <zorael> Did netbios hostname resolution behavior change in precise? I've always gotten it to work with winbind and modifying /etc/nsswitch.conf, but this time it simply refuses to work. nslookup just asks my ISP DNS despite wins being entered before dns in said nsswitch.conf
[20:24] <ses1984> hey, i had a question not sure if this is the place to ask or #ubuntu+1, anyway i just installed precise server x64 in a VM and noticed that python-django* packages were not in the repos,
[20:24] <ses1984> i mean if this channel or #ubuntu-server would be the right place to ask
[20:25] <trism> ses1984: have you apt-get update; yet? I see the python-django-* packages
[20:25] <ses1984> i did not do that yet...hah that's probably it
[20:26] <ses1984> yup that's it
[20:35] <FernandoMiguel> what's that white bar over HUD?
[20:35] <log> White bar?
[20:37] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[20:38] <log> FernandoMiguel: I get a random white bar in the top left-hand corner of my screen sometimes that forces me to reboot, but it's not limited to HUD.
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> http://i.imgur.com/m21U1.png
[20:40] <FernandoMiguel> yeah
[21:01] <zzecool> FernandoMiguel: i think this is what left of a borged chrome
[21:01] <zzecool> isnt it ?
[21:01] <zzecool> ;p
[21:02] <pdkl> is the best way to revert to a "default" install is to reinstall?
[21:02] <FernandoMiguel> pdkl: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ?
[21:02] <zzecool> pdkl: you are speaking baout applications or UI settings ?
[21:02] <zzecool> about*
[21:03] <pdkl> both, i was mucking around with trying out different window managers
[21:03] <pdkl> i just dont want that junk installed.
[21:03] <pdkl> i used apt-get autoremote xxxxx
[21:03] <pdkl> it seemed to remove things i needed :)
[21:04] <zzecool> pdkl: go with reinstall for your sanity
[21:04] <pdkl> ok.
[21:20] <ironhalik> so, whats up with gnome-shell?
[21:55] <Num83rGuy> Why does SAMBA hate me? It works perfect for a while then now it says user name and pass word are invalid . They are not wrong.
[21:55] <MountainX> a standard install of Kubuntu 12.04 beta 1 appears to be missing /usr/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[21:55] <MountainX> can anyone confirm this?
[21:56] <Num83rGuy> I now have t waste another DVD to transfer files. And yes, I know this is beta but, this happened on 11.04 and 11.10.
[22:02] <aspdih> anybody here?
[22:04] <itaylor57> no
[22:04] <aspdih> :P
[22:04] <aspdih> I have a problem - all the menus leave a trace instead of disappearing
[22:06] <glosoli> aspdih: have you updated your system  ?
[22:06] <aspdih> I keep updating it but wasn't getting anything new for a few days
[22:06] <glosoli> aspdih: even today ?
[22:06] <glosoli> aspdih: are you on precise ?
[22:07] <aspdih> I think today flash got updated
[22:07] <aspdih> yes I am
[22:08] <glosoli> aspdih: you should switch to main mirrror
[22:10] <aspdih> wow thanks
[22:11] <aspdih> 600megs worth of downloading...
[22:11] <aspdih> so what's with the spanish mirror?
[22:11] <glosoli> aspdih: there is everything with all, except main
[22:11] <glosoli> they are not updated as fast
[22:11] <glosoli> as main :)
[22:11] <glosoli> Main Mirror always get updates first
[22:11] <aspdih> but not like a week late??
[22:12] <glosoli> aspdih: might be :/ you never know
[22:12] <aspdih> aint there a schedule? Damn, I'm getting old - even the main mirror is at 1mbps. Where is my dialup...
[22:13] <aspdih> anyway, thank you, hopefully it all got fixed
[22:14] <glosoli> aspdih: there is, but I am not sure who is responsible for updating other mirrors
[22:38] <Jordan_U> I tried to install Precise with a btrfs root and ubiquity crashed, any idea how to get Precise installed with a btrfs root? Is installing with a btrfs root supported?
[22:44] <FernandoMiguel> chrome://sessions
[22:44] <FernandoMiguel> :D
[22:49] <glosoli> hm ? :D
[23:03] <bicyclist> Anyone any information if gnome 3 is currently broken in precise pangolin? I get no window decoration and no menu any more.
[23:06] <log> bicyclist: I tried it yesterday, and it worked fine, I think.
[23:06]  * log shrugs.
[23:06] <log> It seemed kind of stupid, though. ;P
[23:06] <itaylor57> bicyclist, well your ability to login in and out repeatly seems to be working fine :>)
[23:07] <log> Not as good as the screenshots seemed to make it out to be.
[23:07] <bicyclist> Grin true, i am currently on unity due to trying to recover my gnome 3 desktop not a single menu or window border visible
[23:08] <bicyclist> But unity and gnome classic just work fine. So i have to stick with them for the time being or is there any way to reset gnome 3 completely to default?
[23:08] <log> Not sure, to be honest.
[23:08] <log> I'm just staying with Unity. :P
[23:09] <log> It's gotten so much better since Oneiric.
[23:09] <log> And Natty, for that matter.
[23:14] <soaringsky> yeah, unity has gotten better with more time to bake
[23:15] <mylenthes> Hello
[23:15] <mylenthes> I cant get gnome shell to work
[23:15] <mylenthes> it doesnt use compiz amiright?
[23:16] <lukescharf> Wohoo!  The gnome-shell package that was released in the last hour or so solved my problem, and Gnome is working well for me!  Thank you!
[23:17] <mylenthes> what was your problem?
[23:17] <mylenthes> and i didnt get an update ?
[23:18] <mylenthes> Are you using a repo?
[23:19] <lukescharf> I recently upgraded with Precise.  I patched-and-rebooted earlier today, but was not able to log in to Gnome.  When I ran gnome-shell from the command-line, I got a segfault (and, at times, a variety of other interesting error messages).
[23:20] <scientes> my UID == 499, and instead of showing my username it shows "guest"
[23:20] <scientes> what a POS
[23:20] <lukescharf> I asked about it in this channel this afternoon, and one of the people on the channel mentioned that a number of the packages related to gnome-shell were being rebuilt, and that that the problem would likely be fixed in an update later today.
[23:20] <glosoli> hmm there is possibility that Gnome will make it to have 3.4 in ubuntu :)
[23:20] <scientes> how can i either: 1.hide a user from lightdm, or 2. show the username of a UID < 500
[23:20] <lukescharf> And the problem was fixed in an update later today.
[23:21] <lukescharf> I really do want to see Gnome 3.4.  I was hoping to track something newer than the Oneiric version when I decided to jump up to the early-prerelease of Precise.
[23:22] <lukescharf> Anyway, I'm just a chatty user -- but I wanted to make sure to leave a thank-you for the updated package.
[23:24] <mylenthes> hmm i didnt get an updatr
[23:24] <mylenthes> my gnome shell simply freezes upon login
[23:26] <soaringsky> mylenthes: are you using a mirror instead of the main repo? some of the mirrors are out of sync or behind
[23:36] <scientes> WTF why are the fonts called "ubuntu"
[23:36] <scientes> they are just dejavuy
[23:36] <scientes> before they were generticized to "sans" and "serif"
[23:37] <scientes> but now you guys have to branzize fonts wtf
[23:37] <Daekdroom> scientes, Ubuntu font was created.
[23:37] <Daekdroom> It's not a rebrand, or an edit to any existing font
[23:38] <scientes> really woah
[23:38] <scientes> when redhat remade the ms fonts they called them liberty or something like that
[23:38] <scientes> and no serif
[23:39] <scientes> interesting
[23:45] <scientes> well how can i get my user name to show in the upper right when my UID < 500 ?
[23:45] <scientes> or alternatively, how do i get lightdm not not show a user
[23:45] <scientes> (other than UID < 500 )
[23:45] <scientes> this is a multiseat system