[00:00] jbicha: I assume you mean other than the copy in the archive that's already built on arm? [00:02] infinity: no, the one in the archive that just failed to build [00:02] jbicha: Oh, just uploaded. Check. [00:03] Looks like possible GL versus GLES issues. [00:03] Did this have an FFe? :/ [00:04] yes, bug 941617 but I didn't think to ask if someone could test it on ARM first [00:04] Launchpad bug 941617 in clutter-1.0 "FFe: Update clutter/cogl to 1.9" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/941617 [00:05] jbicha: I'm not wildly well-versed on the GL versus GLES issues, but before anyone goes digging too deeply, does ./configure perhaps have any switches that jump out as being "use GLES instead of GL"? [00:06] Oh, which it is doing. [00:06] http://git.gnome.org/browse/cogl/tree/configure.ac [00:07] I can perhaps help you look in a day or two, when I don't have a mess of deadlines. [00:07] If you need help sooner, I recommend janimo`. ;) [00:08] Or, you can log in to scheat, and debug yourself. [00:08] scheat? I doubt I have access? [00:08] You don't have access to the canonical porter boxes? [00:09] infinity: I'm not a canonical employee nor has an exception been made for me [00:10] jbicha: Oh, hahaha. The logo for the not-canonical LP group throws me every time. [00:10] jbicha: That needs to be less subtle. :P [00:11] jbicha: But yeah, I'd either ask janimo` or, if you don't like Jani for some reason and can wait a few days, ask me. :) [00:11] jbicha: A bit too headless chickeny right now to look into it deeply. [00:11] infinity: so how should I fix the archive? do a ~really until we figure it out? [00:11] jbicha: Or just let it be broken for a bit. [00:11] jbicha: The cogl stack isn't in any seeds other than supported. [00:12] jbicha: So, it's not breaking CDs or anything. [00:12] jbicha: Heck, jani might wake up in the morning and fix it for you. :P [00:14] janimo`: If you have time to waste when you wake up, can you look at cogl's FTBFS for jbicha and see if anything jumps out at you? [00:15] janimo`: (If not, I'll help him on Thursday, I just have some annoying deadlines tomorrow) [00:16] like md5sums???? [00:16] * GrueMaster ducks. [00:17] GrueMaster: Yes, and that. [00:17] :P [00:17] GrueMaster: I might just "fix" md5sums for now by removing the clever caching/reusing logic until I can make it do what we mean, not what we asked. [00:18] Makes publishing a bit slower, but I really doubt that matters terribly when compared to build time. [00:18] I'm in no particular hurry. Just adds a level of assurance when an image goes boink during testing. [00:18] Yeah, it's good to have. [00:19] But it's not been the top of my queue either. It's up there, though. [00:19] As long as Beta 2 is good, I'll only poke occasionally. :P [00:25] beta 1 has been really solid for me.. for what its worth [00:26] a few years ago you could have even called it a release candidate ;) [00:26] Blame the +1 maintenance team for some of that. [00:26] Though from the ARM perspective, we've put a lot of work into precise. [00:26] its noticable [00:26] (It didn't seem like it, really, but we "accidentally" did a lot of ARM fixing and tweaking while doing the armhf bringup) [00:26] i went to 12.04 just to test it out from 11.10.. never went back [00:27] I suppose incidentally is a better term. :P [00:27] heh [00:27] makes it sound more intentional ;) [00:27] Well, it was. [00:27] Opportunistically, even. [00:27] that those are big words [00:27] Speaking of...how is your audio? [00:28] great.. i had to tweak some things in alsamixer to get the right "sound" [00:28] but it sounds better then any of my other "mobile" devices [00:28] well [00:28] there is one bug [00:28] but its not that annoying [00:28] and its probably a pianobar bug [00:28] Ah. [00:28] I use pithos myself. [00:29] basically when you start a new song.. it stutters for half a second [00:29] pithos? [00:29] * pbuckley goes and looks [00:29] It is a gui Panda client. [00:29] Er Pandora. [00:29] nice [00:30] http://kevinmehall.net/p/pithos/ [00:30] wow [00:30] that has a few dependencies [00:31] Are you running desktop or headless? It is designed for desktop. [00:31] desktop on this guy [00:31] unity ftw [00:32] its impressive how well unity runs [00:32] Well, it depends on all the gstreamer plugins. [00:32] Which is just plain wrong. [00:32] But whatever. [00:32] i was expecting it to fall on its face before i started on this [00:32] Most people want them all anyway. [00:32] Yes, I can see the difference also. [00:32] Uh, I guess "pandora client" doesn't meant the hand-held arm game console? [00:32] Oh that's right it's some US-only music site [00:32] its that music streaming service [00:33] Yea. US only. Sad. [00:33] i wonder if pandora is vulnerable to the x-forward thing [00:33] since its all web requests [00:33] might be a way to get around the us only thing [00:33] Very ugly when I have to ssh tunnel to my home to play music. [00:34] It works fine when going through a sudo-vpn. [00:34] (i know i "forget" to sanitize x-forward headers at my site) [00:34] pbuckley: No, Forwarded-for headers don't work for Pandora. [00:34] damn [00:34] Just one of the many reasons I have a GRE tunnel to my machine in San Jose. [00:35] hrmm [00:35] so do i want aacplus or mp3-hifi? [00:35] i tried mp3-hifi on pianobar [00:36] and that caused a segfault [00:36] I'd rather just use music systems that don't oblige me to jump through hoops in the first place [00:36] like? [00:37] Well, my ISP has unmetered restreams from a bunch of internet radio stations and local community radio stations [00:37] Also magnatune [00:37] are winamp stations still around? [00:37] btw [00:37] http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/radio [00:37] http://cyber.com.au/~twb/.bin/magnatune [00:37] apt-get install pithos [00:37] What was the linux clone of winamp? Is that still supported? [00:37] resulted in Error: Your GStreamer installation is missing a plugin [00:37] xmss? [00:37] or xmms? [00:37] or osmething [00:38] Yea, that was it. [00:38] xmms has been dead upstream for years [00:38] I used that when I was still on Mandriva (before Ubuntu existed). [00:38] GrueMaster: xmms [00:39] And xmms2's development pace could be described at best as 'glacial' [00:39] xmms was unmaintained and forked a couple of times [00:39] any idea what gstreamer plugin pithos is complaining about? [00:39] xmms2 is a completely different project from the same people; it's client-server (like mpd) but with lots of plugins and a powerful wire protocol. [00:39] ERROR:root:Gstreamer error: Your GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in., gstdecodebin2.c(3576): gst_decode_bin_expose (): /GstPlayBin2:player/GstURIDecodeBin:uridecodebin7/GstDecodeBin2:decodebin27: [00:39] no suitable plugins found [00:39] pbuckley: Make sure you have restricted & multiverse enabled. [00:39] StevenK: I hadn't noticed; I used mplayer until ffmpeg broken on arm and since then I've been using mpg123 [00:39] pbuckley: By "WinAMP stations", you mean people using Shoutcast to stream mp3 audio? [00:40] yeh [00:40] sorry im showing my age [00:40] pbuckley: If so, it's still quite widely used, and supported by more or less every media player in the world. [00:40] deb http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/ precise main restricted universe multiverse [00:40] that should grab it right? [00:41] yes. Should. [00:41] :( [00:41] rsalveti (or anyone), do I need a newer qemu to do chroot w/ 12.04 armhf filesystem? [00:42] (from 11.10 host) [00:42] twb: Ah. mpg{321,123} won't work for me, I just finished re-doing my music collection in FLAC. [00:42] I don't bother to collect music anymore [00:42] Prety much stopped when I got my 701, because it only had 4G of disk [00:43] I have a 3TiB fileserver for that [00:43] robclark: not sure, only used the one at precise [00:43] http://pastebin.com/diMGNbDp [00:43] ahh.. please don't tell me I have to update my laptop yet? [00:43] if someone wants to show me some pithos love [00:43] thats basically what i did [00:46] robclark: oneiric's qemu is fine. [00:46] robclark: Heck, lucid's is fine. [00:46] hmm, am I doing something stoopid? [00:47] oh, wait, probably.. [00:47] robclark: Are you talking full system emulation, or binfmt_misc? [00:47] robclark: If it's the latter, did you copy /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static into your chroot? [00:48] I guess you would call it full system emulation.. but I think I forgot to copy qemu-static (new rootfs since last time I did it) [00:48] If it's copying qemu-static into chroots, I wouldn't call it full system, no. :) [00:48] By 'full system emulation', I mean booting a VM in qemu. [00:48] ahh, gotcha.. [00:49] but yeah, it was lack of copy of qemu-static.. it was operator error :-P [00:49] But yeah, the copying of /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static into the chroot trick should work fine going at least back to hardy. [00:49] So, you're fine on oneiric. :P [00:50] Oh, maybe I lied. On hardy and lucid, we're using backported qemu. [00:50] Whatever. natty, oneiric, and precise are all good. :P [00:50] StevenK: getting a NAS would double the amount of hardware I have to babysit [00:50] yup [00:50] I'm a sysadmin, the last thing I want to deal with when I go home is ornery hardware :P [00:50] have you see the xyfi? [00:50] twb: Haha [00:50] seen [00:51] http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/29/option-xyfi-is-worlds-smallest-personal-hotspot-we-go-hand/ [00:51] its a wifi/cellular/nas in your pocket === nslu2-log_ is now known as nslu2-log [00:57] pbuckley: I just installed pithos on my panda. No issues here. You may need to "apt-get update". [00:58] did :( [00:58] grumble [01:00] Oop. nevermind. Tried running with mp3-hifi - fail. [01:00] yeh [01:00] should i use aacplus? [01:01] Works with aacplus [01:01] k.. thats what i was using in pianobar [01:01] so no big deal [01:02] I'll note it down and look into it tomorrow. May be it needs the TI sekrit sauce [01:02] mmm sekrit sauce [01:06] Maybe this is it. apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras. Let you know in a sec. [01:07] (although gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly will probably give you the same results with less packages). [01:13] have i mentioned your awesome GrueMaster thats the plugin its missing [01:13] however it has a similar result as pianobar [01:14] Segmentation fault (core dumped) [01:14] also [01:14] i can't submit a report [01:14] it gave me an error "Invalid problem report" [01:14] "the report belongs to a package that is not installed" [01:15] just reproduced it [01:16] Hmmm. I now have working mp3 & mp3-hifi. [01:16] no segfault? [01:18] i think tonight is flash fresh images to pandaboard night [01:18] its been what? two months of apt-get dist-upgrades [01:19] im sure something is hosed [01:24] Meh, only a couple of weeks since beta 1. [01:24] But to be fair, I am running with the latest daily image. [01:35] how rational of idea is it to do a dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' to get a list of packages.. then after i reinstall do a for pkg in list do apt-get install $pkg done [01:35] ? [01:35] would be neat if ubuntu one had a "restore" like feature [01:35] that reinstalled all the previous packages i had [01:36] dpkg --get-selections / dpkg --set-selections [01:37] That'll lose markauto statuses tho [01:37] etckeeper is also very useful [01:39] then just dpkg --set-selections < file [01:39] ? [01:39] markauto? [01:40] no matter how deep i find myself in the dpkg rabbit hole.. it always seems to go deeper [01:40] * pbuckley reminicses about the old days of dselect [01:41] wow [01:41] dselect is still around! [01:42] and integrated with apt now [01:42] man i first started using debian like 17 years ago [01:42] :( [01:42] * pbuckley feels old all of a sudden [03:34] I am trying to install Mercurial on my pandaboard, I've installed mercurial-common but when I "apt-get install mercurial" I get an error, "Depends: mercurial-common (=1.9.1-1ubuntu0.1) but it is not going to be installed) E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. [03:55] Person987: And what version of mercurial-common do you have installed, and where did you get it? :P [03:55] Person987: dpkg -l mercurial-common [04:01] It says version 2.2.1+12-ce292f13 [04:01] I added the mercurial ppa in order to get it (I think) [04:01] Uhm. [04:01] Right, then you'd need to install mercurial from that PPA too. [04:01] The version of mercurial you're installing is from oneiric-updates. [04:01] how do you control which ppa it comes from? [04:02] By not removing the PPA. :P [04:02] infinity: Which is probably not built for ARM? [04:02] StevenK: Oh, hah. Probably. [04:02] eek [04:02] Most PPAs do not support ARM, sadly. [04:02] Person987: The other option would be to "dpkg -P mercurial-common", remove the PPA, apt-get update && apt-get install mercurial. [04:03] You don't really need the shiny PPA version, do you? [04:03] about a month ago I set up a pandaboard and to get mercurial I just went through the "Ubuntu Software Center" and it was in there. This time I'm having trouble finding it. [04:03] No, I don't need the "shiny" one, trying your suggestion above... [04:03] Person987: I'm sure it's in SC somewhere. But apt-get install mercurial has the same effect. [04:05] I'll remove the ppa's and remove the bits I have and start over then. I did start by trying to just use "apt-get install mercurial" [04:05] Person987: You may not have had universe enabled when you did that. [04:06] Person987: Though you clearly do now. [04:07] if I use apt-get remove mercurial (and mercurial-common) and remove the PPAs from my sources is that sufficient to get myself "reset" [04:08] s/remove/purge/ [04:08] And I don't know. If all you installed from the PPA was mercurial-common, then yes. [04:08] (And remember to "apt-get update" after you remove the PPA from sources) [04:11] Person987: there's a ppa-purge package to do something like that [04:12] ok after running apt-get update, I got a complaint about duplicate entries, ran it again and its clean, is that a problem? [04:13] "Duplicate entries"? [04:13] Paraphrasing error messages doesn't help. ;) [04:14] ah, I need IRC on my pandaboard so I can copy paste... [04:15] Duplicate sources.list entry http://ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/release/ubuntu/ oneiric/main armel Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_tiomap-dev_release_ubuntu_dists_oneiric_main_binary-armel_Packages) W: you may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems [04:16] Oh, I imagine that's exactly as it sounds. [04:16] Not really an error, just informative. [04:17] ok, thats what I thought but I figured I'd mention it since I've been having problems. Ok I'm going to try to install mercurial now. [04:17] it automatically got mercurial-common this time... [04:17] promising :-) [04:19] worked! Thanks so much for walking me through this. So do you think I didn't have the "universe" enabled in the beginning? How do you enable that? [04:20] Either by editing sources.list, or by using one of the higher level tools to enable it. [04:20] Software Properties or some such. I'm not sitting in front of a standard desktop setup right now. [04:20] software sources or package sources or something like that [04:23] Hmm, I definitely did something because I'm finding more stuff in software center now :-) [04:28] Software Center -> edit menu -> Software Sources. Dialog box has some checkboxes for "main", "universe", "restricted", and "multiverse" [04:29] (in case anyone is as noob as me!) [12:25] Hi, on the 11.10 prebuilt server image, the network card of my gumstix board is not recognized. Can I copy the modules from a known working distribution with a 3.0.x kernel or is this more complicated? [12:49] NsN, i doubt they would load (different symbols), you would have to rebuild a kernel package with gumstix config options set or see if there is a linaro kernel (ask in #linaro) that supports it (they are usually packaged and available in the ubuntu archive) [15:10] ogra_: Can you think of any reason why the omap server image would break inside initrd and the desktop would be ok? [15:11] not from the top of my head, no [15:12] omap4 server works fine here (just using it atm) [15:12] Yea, it appears to only be omap server that is having issues. [15:12] What I am seeing on the serial console is this: [15:12] Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel. [15:12] hwclock: select( [15:12] Then reboot [15:13] (after a long pause). [15:14] Nothing from jasper, no oem-config-debconf, nothing. === zyga is now known as zyga-afk [15:16] sigh, guess I will have to do a binary search on this between Beta 1 and current. Find the start of the failure, figure out what package changed. [15:16] smells like kernel [15:17] As I said, desktop works fine. [15:17] But I suppose if the serial console got hosed that may be it. [15:17] really weird, up to jasper they should be identical [15:18] did you check the build date, probably one of them is older and was acrried over from a former daily build [15:18] (happens if the build fails, though i didnt see any failure mail today) [15:20] time stamps appear accurate on my mirror. Sizes change consistently. [15:20] Of only we had accurate md5sums... [15:26] infinity is working on that iirc [15:27] yes. I just like poking him. Keeps him motivated. :P [15:27] yeah, he is way to distracted by the running foundations tream meeting ... [15:28] So far, it seems to start shortly after Beta1. 0307 failed, flashing 0305 now. [15:28] I don't know everyone's meeting schedules. [15:28] oh, i didnt know you use such old images [15:28] (hell, I don't even know my own). [15:29] I have copies of every image back to Alpha 2 (had to clear some space). [15:29] I only keep the arm images for historical purposes. I mirror current only for x86/amd64 for spot comparisons. === zyga-afk is now known as zyga [17:22] hi, so cogl was fixed but clutter's now not building on arm [17:24] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/96782687/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.clutter-1.0_1.9.14-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:33] looks like its building some X11/GLX stuff it didnt build before ? [17:38] yeah, I don't know much about arm or clutter, nor was I able to get a precise arm chroot working yesterday [17:39] sudo apt-get install qemu-user-static;; sudo qemu-debootstrap --arch armhf ..... [17:39] jbicha: Download ubuntu-core-armhf, untar, cp /usr/bin/qemu-.... Or, do what ogra said. :P [17:40] I was getting some memory errors yesterday... [17:42] I used mk-sbuild --arch=armhf precise but got "%n in writable segment detected" errors [17:43] * ogra_ never used mk-sbuild ... [17:44] I might have hit bug 947888 [17:44] Launchpad bug 947888 in qemu-linaro "Unable to generate linaro images using qemu-linaro" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947888 [17:45] no idea, my qemu-deboostrap chroot works fine here [18:11] trying to apt-get update, and i'm getting BADSIGs [18:13] steev_: Proxy hates you, mirror broken. [18:13] steev_: Those are the two standard answers. [18:14] steev_: Local mirror or ports.u.c? [18:16] GrueMaster: ports.u [18:16] is there a command that will tell me what package a program is from? i have a system that is lacking "ps" for some reason [18:16] Not much I can suggest there other than wait for 20 minutes and try again. [18:17] MrCurious: Our images usually have "command-not-found" installed, which is a shell extension that will tell you which package to install if you type a command that isn't in the system. [18:18] (assuming the command typed is an actual app in the pool). [18:18] yeah i'll wait til i get home, i *really* hate the internets (or lack thereof) at the office [18:18] awesome! installing it now :D [18:18] thanks grue [18:19] steev_: I have a local mirror that updates every 2 hours. 90% of the time it just flies. 10% it will hiccup, but resolve itsself within 2 hours. [18:20] GrueMaster: good to know, i tend to update somewhat often while in beta like it is (and not update when it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop) [18:20] Currently, the mirror is using 261G for all of ports.u.c armel/armhf binaries. I don't mirror sources. [18:21] oh that's not bad [18:21] For updates, I recommend running "apt-get dist-upgrade" and canceling if it lists any packages to be removed. [18:21] once i figure out the lesser of the two evils (AT&T vs. Time Warner), and get my home internet connection set up, I'll probably mirror as well [18:21] That usually signals pool churn. [18:21] GrueMaster: that's what i meant [18:22] if dist-upgrade wants to remove something i hold off til next time i'm passing through the kitchen (which is where my efika smartbook currently resides) [18:22] The BADSIG's is a different issue, and usually just means you happened to time it at the same time as the repo is updating. [18:23] If dist-upgrade threatens to remove stuff, just run apt-get upgrade. That will keep most stuff current. [18:24] dist upgrade gets the tip of everything, as long as all dependencies can be met (pool churn). === llsquire_ is now known as llsquire [18:37] i think it might have screwed up because of the internet connection. it connected to an open access point (my fault), and it's one of those captive portals, and i ran apt-get update while on it, thinking i was on a different network [18:38] heh. oops. [18:39] badsig is typical for a so called "transparent" proxy [19:58] GrueMaster: btw that audio studio problem was a pianobar issue.. pithos works great [19:58] /studio/stutter [19:58] Cool. Glad to hear it. === michael is now known as Guest46427 [20:26] hi folks. i'm looking for a little more information on ubuntu on the transformer prime. [20:26] i think lilstevie is here or lurks here. [20:27] i'm trying to get gentoo on it, but my problem is at a very general level: getting the kernel to compile. [20:27] here's my bug report: https://github.com/AndroidRoot/android_kernel_asus_tf201/issues/1 [20:27] i'd be curious to see what you did to get a kernel working. once i have that, i should be good to dd an img and reboot :-) [20:28] my chroot is fine, and the TFT is amazing for compiling things. [20:28] lilstevie: ^^ [21:12] ogra_: on 3 different networks? [21:13] because i'm still getting BADSIG here :/ [21:15] * GrueMaster checks [21:17] steev_: I don't see that issue here with precise armhf, local mirror or ports.u.c. [21:18] checking armel now. [21:21] No problems with either armel or armhf precise here. [21:30] GrueMaster: yeah, i'm trying the old windows fix currently [21:31] >< [21:31] stupid power management [21:31] 3% means i still have 2 more hours of battery life, stop suspending] [21:32] heh [21:32] I assume this is on an arm netbook of some sort? [21:32] yeah the efika smartbook [21:39] gah, wtf, every time i unsuspend it warns me again that the battery is critically low and re-suspends [21:40] p.s. the cancel button is worthless [22:23] hi, can so here help me with installing ubuntu 11.10 on pandaboard? [22:23] the system configuration at the beginning always crashes at "copiing installation log".. [22:25] flowd: most likely something went wrong when you prepared the sdcard [22:25] flowd: When that happens after the first pass through oem-config, use to open a console, login with the account you created, and type "sudo oem-config-remove && sudo reboot". [22:25] Known race condition in Oneiric. [22:25] flowd: .. what GrueMaster said :) [22:27] GrueMaster: hi, did you have a chance to look at the rare kernel deadlock stall? [22:28] GrueMaster: i am planning to try setup a kernel with lockdep kernel lock verifier compiled in in oder to trace and recode the call sequence better that causes the stall [22:29] i am able to reproduce the bug using both ubuntu 11.10 and linaro 12.02 kernels [22:32] @GrueMaster thx, that works :) installed it several times with new downloaded image and other versions, now it finally boots normal :)