[00:36] <akgraner> jcastro you around?
[01:01] <cjohnston> 26
[01:03] <jalcine> 52
[01:10] <cjohnston> no
[01:15] <jalcine> 26 exactly?
[01:39] <cjohnston> sure
[01:39] <cjohnston> since thats what i wanted
[02:22] <cprofitt> akgraner: ping
[02:23] <akgraner> cprofitt, pong
[02:24] <cprofitt> sorry that the link was bad when I sent the email earlier
[02:24] <cprofitt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/cprofitt/sandbox
[02:24] <cprofitt> fixed now -- had to move the old approval re-write page to archive
[02:25] <akgraner> cprofitt, no worries :-)
[02:26] <akgraner> it all works out..
[02:26] <cprofitt> I was worried you would go add your stuff...
[02:26] <cprofitt> yeah
[02:26] <cprofitt> it does :-)
[08:05] <dholbach> good morning
[08:24] <dholbach> hey dpm
[08:24] <dholbach> dpm, do you think we could run the packaging guide update more often?
[08:24] <dholbach> like 4 times a day maybe? :)
[08:46] <dpm> dholbach, hey, sure :)
[08:46] <dholbach> nice :-)
[08:47] <dholbach> muchas gracias
[08:47] <dpm> give me a few minutes. 4 times a day, then?
[08:48] <dholbach> that'd be great
[08:49] <dholbach> we had a couple of bugs fixed and it's a bit strange to have to set the bug to 'fix committed', then wait, wait some more, go to bed, check again, then set to 'fix released' :)
[08:49] <dpm> yeah, no worries :)
[09:36] <dholbach> dpm, hast Du gleich mal Zeit ein paar Minuten zu telefonieren?
[09:48] <jokerdino> is there any other way to adding my blog to planet ubuntu other than the bzr method?
[09:49] <nigelb> Nope
[09:50] <jokerdino> thanks for the answer. :)
[09:50] <jokerdino> i then have to wait until i can access a firewall less network.
[09:51] <nigelb> ah
[09:52] <nigelb> bzr doesn't work over proxies?
[09:52] <jokerdino> it's been a pain trying to set up one, i gave up.
[09:52] <nigelb> sigh. now I know why popey keeps talking about proxy support.
[09:53] <jokerdino> hah!
[10:07] <popey> ☺
[11:21] <cjohnston> mornin
[12:05] <mhall119> morning
[12:18] <cprofitt> morning
[12:53] <jcastro> hah
[12:54] <jcastro> http://askubuntu.com/questions/112802/cannot-receive-updates-or-finish-upgrading-after-interrupted-12-04-install
[12:54] <jcastro> jo-erlend, Captain Obvious to the rescue!
[12:55] <jcastro> it's like "have you tried doing what it tells you?"
[12:55] <jo-erlend> jcastro, I really wanted to provide more information, but I didn't know what to write. :)
[12:55] <jcastro> well, the error told him what to do!
[12:55] <jo-erlend> I know.
[12:55] <jo-erlend> that's why I didn't know what to write, but I also wanted to help. :)
[12:57] <jo-erlend> hehe, feel free to make the answer less obvious, if you feel like it :)
[12:58] <jcastro> well
[12:58] <jcastro> he didn't read the error obviously, I doubt he'd read your answer
[12:58] <jcastro> :)
[13:17] <dpm> hey all, could you give a hand upvoting http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/qw48n/top_10_ubuntu_app_downloads_for_february_2012/ ? Thanks!
[13:31] <jo-erlend> hmm...
[13:31] <jo-erlend> "free apps" means gratis, not free?
[13:32] <jo-erlend> heh... mhall119, I've got another one for you. http://developer.ubuntu.com/2012/03/top-10-ubuntu-app-downloads-for-february-2012/
[13:33] <jo-erlend> mhall119, it suggests that I post my message using the credentials of the previous poster, Rudolf O. :)
[13:35] <mhall119> jo-erlend: gratis, yes
[13:36] <mhall119> jo-erlend: I don't get any credentials filled in, that's strange
[13:37] <jo-erlend> ok... Please at least show a GPL icon with free software or something? I'm all for making Ubuntu attractive for the commercially minded, but free software shouldn't become second class either.
[13:38] <mhall119> hmm GPL wouldn't cover all the libre software
[13:38] <mhall119> maybe an OSI icon?
[13:42] <dpm> jo-erlend, sorry for not being too responsive, on a call right now. "free" in that post refers to 0 cost. The list includes both open source and proprietary software.
[13:44] <jo-erlend> mhall119, something to show that after all, free software has another meaning as well.
[13:44] <mhall119> jo-erlend: understood
[13:45] <mhall119> I just don't want to brand BSD licensed apps with a GNU icon, might cause some flaming :)
[13:45] <jo-erlend> hehe, it might, but that might also be good publicity! :)
[13:46] <mhall119> meh, if we want that kind of publicity, we'll just talk about Unity some more
[13:46] <jo-erlend> indeed :)
[13:47] <mhall119> dpm: what are your thoughts on having an OSI-logo emblem on the download buttons for open-source apps?  It can go either in place of, or below the (FREE) emblem
[13:48] <mhall119> though the green on orange would clash pretty bad
[13:48] <jcastro> dpm, upvoted!
[13:48] <cprofitt> mhall119: I like the denotation of OSI vs. Simply free
[13:48] <cprofitt> not sure about the icon though
[13:49] <mhall119> oh, they have a grey-scale icon, that wouold work
[13:49] <mhall119> http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines
[13:51] <cprofitt> yeah, the greyscale would work
[13:52] <dpm> mhall119, otp, let me come back to you in a few mins
[13:52] <dpm> jcastro, thanks!
[13:59] <s-fox> o/
[14:00] <mhall119> morning s-fox
[14:00] <cprofitt> hey s-fox
[14:00] <s-fox> Good afternoon mhall119 , how are you?
[14:00] <s-fox> Hello cprofitt , how're you doing today?
[14:06] <mhall119> s-fox: filling up on coffee to kick-start my day
[14:20] <dpm> bbl, having late lunch
[14:55] <jono> dpm, dholbach, jcastro, balloons, mhall119 unfortunately I am not going to make the first 30m of our call,  but please go ahead without me
[14:56] <jcastro> k
[14:56] <jcastro> I will start it
[14:56] <jcastro> since I need to test my stuff
[14:56] <balloons> double jcastro again?
[14:56] <mhall119> one is never enough
[14:56] <dpm> :)
[14:57] <jcastro> or one is too many!
[14:58] <nigelb> double jcastro? be happy. Think of double jono.
[14:58] <jono> nigelb, oi
[14:59] <jono> that was uncalled for :-)
[14:59] <nigelb> haha
[14:59] <nigelb> jono: j/k :)
[14:59] <jono> :-)
[14:59] <nigelb> jono: I' imagine that'd be a band right there :P
[15:00] <jcastro> invites sent
[15:01] <balloons> o^o
[15:04] <balloons> ... /loading ../loading
[15:09] <jcastro> balloons: can someone invite me back in?
[15:10] <balloons> sure
[15:14] <balloons> do you have a webcam on your laptop/desktop?
[16:57] <greg-g> hah, in irssi, this is how this channel is displayed: "4|#ubuntu~unity-team"
[16:57] <greg-g> "Ubuntu kinda-Unity Team" :)
[16:57] <greg-g> or, "Ubuntu Mostly-Unity Team"
[17:02] <cprofitt> greg-g: you forgot Ubuntu Immunity Team
[17:06] <greg-g> hehe
[17:56] <popey> greg-g: #ubuntu-impunity-team
[17:58] <jcastro> cjohnston, I don't get this line
[17:58] <jcastro> "We offer HTML, Wordpress, Drupal and Django."
[17:59] <jcastro> where is the html?
[18:00] <jcastro> cjohnston, this would just be like wordpress, drupal, django, etc.
[18:01] <cjohnston> sorry.. themes.. for those cms
[18:04] <cjohnston> jcastro: so instead of duplicating, just make what we have available.bettet
[18:05] <jcastro> I think you're misunderstanding
[18:06] <cjohnston> ok
[18:08] <czajkowski> jono: is there a call tonight @ 11pm UTC ?
[18:08] <jono> czajkowski, no, it is next scheduled for next week
[18:08] <jono> but I am going to cancel as I am on vacation
[18:08] <czajkowski> ah just wondered since last week was cancelled
[18:09] <jono> np
[18:09] <czajkowski> grand can head out :)
[18:09] <jono> thanks czajkowski
[18:09] <czajkowski> np :)
[18:09] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[18:09] <czajkowski> dholbach: nn
[18:13] <cjohnston> jcastro:  we already have themes acailable.. unless bootstrap does something that our four offerings don't, why duplicate effort
[18:13] <jcastro> bootstrap isn't just a theme
[18:13] <jcastro> it's a toolkit for things that don't have themes
[18:13] <jcastro> like say, charm browsers
[18:13] <jcastro> and whatever next web project people make that isn't django, wordpress, etc.
[18:15] <cjohnston> ok. other than theme what else does it provide?
[18:16] <cjohnston> doesn't it still have to be integrated with the site just like the current html theme would?
[18:18] <cjohnston> I'm at work on my phone so I can't really look
[18:50] <jcastro> jono, I have some juju swag to ship to a contributor today so I'll be a bit late after my PT appointment
[18:50]  * jcastro shall return in 1.5 hours
[18:50] <jono> jcastro, np
 why would you be shipping this swag?
[18:50] <jcastro> I am glad you asked
[18:50] <jono> lol
[18:50] <jcastro> because *DING* moin charm, that's why
[18:50] <jono> cool :-)
[18:51] <jcastro> 56!
[18:51] <jussi> jcastro: no, 42! :P
[20:21] <jussi> pleia2: pleia2!!! you bought the wrong machine! http://bit.ly/wLvGf6 :D
[20:21] <pleia2> jussi: lol
[20:22] <jussi> pleia2: come on, you cant go past that pink...
[20:22] <pleia2> jussi: the price point is slightly different :)
[20:22] <jussi> pleia2: true... but that pink.....
[20:22] <jussi> :P
[20:23]  * jussi hugs pleia2
[20:23]  * pleia2 hugs jussi 
[20:23] <pleia2> I put pink penguin and princess stickers on it
[20:23] <jussi> Ive been drooling over that machine for a while...
[20:23] <pleia2> the ultrabooks are pretty sweet
[20:23] <czajkowski> wow that is pink!
[20:23]  * czajkowski adores her ultrabook 
[20:24] <pleia2> my new laptop has a webcam, maybe I can do google hangous with picture now :)
[20:24]  * jussi did something cool today :)
[20:24] <czajkowski> yay
[20:24] <pleia2> except the part where I roll out of bed 5 minutes before the CC hangout
[20:24] <pleia2> I'll have to brush my hair or something
[20:24] <czajkowski> pleia2: then like me run about the place trying to find a that doesnt have stuff hanging about that can be seen
[20:24]  * pleia2 looks behind her
[20:24] <jussi> I installd mer/nemo onto my n950. Its actually a lot higher quality than I thought, has a few bugs though
[20:24] <pleia2> is ok
[20:25] <czajkowski> I am going to strangle the boy one of these days https://twitter.com/#!/czajkowski/status/179960514988867586/photo/1
[20:26] <pleia2> hehe
[20:26] <czajkowski> he's such a fecker
[20:26] <czajkowski> am tempted to hide the new ipad when it arrives
[20:26] <czajkowski> I'll be here for delivery :D
[20:26] <Pendulum> haha
[20:26] <czajkowski> payba :)
[20:26] <czajkowski> *payback
[20:27] <czajkowski> ohhh new box of wine just arrived 12 more to sample :D
[20:27] <jussi> pleia2: heres a tip for you: http://bit.ly/Ax9mYj
[20:28] <pleia2> jussi: haha, my office is tidy for real!
[20:28] <jussi> hehe
[20:58] <JanC> czajkowski: what "ultrabook" do you have?
[20:59] <czajkowski> Toshiba Z830
[20:59] <czajkowski> bought it at xmas in the sale
[21:00] <czajkowski> for Euro 1K
[21:01] <JanC> ah, was looking at one of those today (want to buy a new laptop in the next couple of months...)
[21:02] <JanC> czajkowski: how long does it run on battery?
[21:03] <czajkowski> 6hrs with no tweeking
[21:05] <JanC> that sounds okay  ☺
[21:05] <czajkowski> my main thing was it had to be ultra light
[21:05] <czajkowski> wasnt gonna lug another laptop around
[21:05] <czajkowski> this fits into handbag
[21:06] <JanC> well, it's not the most important for me, but not-too-big is, as is not needing a wall plug all the time  ;)
[21:07] <JanC> and 13" is a good compromise between a netbook and a bigger laptop
[21:07] <JanC> especially as they have separate PgUp/Dn & Home/End keys (I hate to have to use "Fn" for that)
[21:08] <bkerensa> jcastro: you have a chance to test drive the charm?
[21:08] <jcastro> I have not
[21:08] <jcastro> bkerensa, I have to pick my wife up from work, you going to be around a while?
[21:09] <bkerensa> jcastro: I hope to be
[21:09] <bkerensa> :D
[21:09] <jcastro> ok, I'll be back in 25
[21:09] <jcastro> then I'll get it on
[21:41] <mhall119> popey: shut it down, you know you want to
[21:48] <popey> hah
[22:53] <jcastro> bkerensa, ok back
[22:54] <jcastro> that took way longer than I hoped. :)
[23:05] <bkerensa> jcastro: its ok I was fragging while you were gone
[23:08] <jcastro> ok I'll have clint check it out
[23:08] <jcastro> so hey normally we have a charm for mongo
[23:08] <jcastro> you could just depend on it instead of installing it yourself
[23:08] <jcastro> but it's ok since it would require another instance
[23:09] <jcastro> also you need -y's in your apt statements
[23:09] <jcastro> so if there's a prompt it doesn't hang
[23:14] <bkerensa> jcastro: ok I'll push those changes... The reason I decided not to use the mongo or nodejs charms as depends is because they would not work
[23:14] <bkerensa> :)
[23:14] <bkerensa> they are older versions which Subway will not work with
[23:14] <jcastro> yeah we need to put --user-upstream flags on them
[23:15] <jcastro> either way juju can't deploy the same charms on the same server (yet)
[23:15] <jcastro> so what you did was smart
[23:15] <jcastro> otherwise we'd need 4 nodes to run an IRC client
[23:15] <bkerensa> lol
[23:15] <jcastro> and that would get expensive. :)
[23:15] <bkerensa> indeed
[23:15] <bkerensa> jcastro: When I finish you can send my swag to one of our loco members :)
[23:15] <jcastro> no worries
[23:15] <bkerensa> I dont need any more swag and he really deserves some for all his hard work
[23:15] <bkerensa> :D
[23:16] <jcastro> I have a bunch, I might just send the guys who wrote it a care package
[23:16] <bkerensa> indeed
[23:16] <bkerensa> :D
[23:16] <bkerensa> I literally have a 7' by 6' closet full of swag
[23:16] <jcastro> hey so does it need to do anything to talk to mongo/node?
[23:16] <bkerensa> :(
[23:16] <jcastro> or does the npn install do all that?
[23:16] <bkerensa> jcastro: yep that handles it all
[23:16] <bkerensa> :D
[23:16] <bkerensa> no config
[23:16] <bkerensa> all of its handled in that charm
[23:16] <jcastro> ok, and does npm have a -y type thing?
[23:17] <bkerensa> I had petersed look it over and he said it looks perfect
[23:17] <jcastro> remember it needs to run unattended every single time
[23:17] <bkerensa> jcastro: I will have to check
[23:17] <jcastro> once it's in the store we'll have automated tests on it
[23:17] <bkerensa> k
[23:17] <jcastro> so if it ever fails due to something we didn't think of
[23:17] <jcastro> then you're good
[23:18] <jcastro> well, "good" as in you'll get an email bothering you that it's broken
[23:18] <jcastro> :)
[23:18] <bkerensa> :(
[23:18] <bkerensa> lol
[23:18] <jcastro> and then when subordinates land at some point we'll just switch it to use the node/mongo charms
[23:19] <jcastro> I send chris lea a mail, he might be keen on maintaining the node charm
[23:19] <jcastro> which means we'd have updated node in the charm store. At all times.
[23:19] <jcastro> (this is huge)
[23:19] <bkerensa> I plan on replacing our znc node with a subway node
[23:19] <bkerensa> much easier
[23:19] <jcastro> how many people do you have on it?
[23:19] <bkerensa> well.... only if the subway author implements a growl module
[23:19] <bkerensa> jcastro: right now 10+
[23:19] <jcastro> I'd like to deploy this internally on Canonistack for people who hate normal IRC
[23:20] <jcastro> plus it just looks /awesome/
[23:20] <bkerensa> jcastro: Canonistack?
[23:21] <pleia2> I wish a juju charm was all that stood in our way of making people not hate IRC ;)
[23:21] <jcastro> our work openstack set up
[23:21] <jcastro> soon lyz, soon!
[23:21] <pleia2> hehe
[23:21] <jcastro> this will all make sense when the store gets online
[23:22] <jcastro> it's hard to understand "apt for the cloud" when half the commands are still --too --much --of --this oneiric/blah/blah
[23:22] <bkerensa> jcastro: you should gank the subway github screenshots for the store
[23:22] <bkerensa> :P
[23:22] <bkerensa> since I was in them
[23:22] <jcastro> ok!
[23:22] <bkerensa> :D
[23:22] <pleia2> the only way we convinced my boss to use IRC is that me and the other sysadmin (since moved on) were having all our discussions on IRC and he was missing them
[23:23] <jcastro> also you need to explicitly open the port
[23:23] <pleia2> my boss likes phones, weirdo
[23:23] <bkerensa> jcastro: oh ok
[23:23] <jcastro> sec, let me find the doc for you
[23:23] <bkerensa> jcastro: we should make this go viral http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/video-a-users-first-time-with-ubuntu-11-10/
[23:24] <jcastro> https://juju.ubuntu.com/docs/charm.html#hook-commands-for-opening-and-closing-ports
[23:24] <jcastro> here you go
[23:24] <jcastro> "open-port 3000/tcp" should do it
[23:25] <bkerensa> ok
[23:27] <jcastro> pleia2, so, as I was thinking about the store landing
[23:27] <jcastro> I realized I totally failed to communicate why server people will love the charm store
[23:27] <jcastro> and it wasn't obvious to me until this week
 Oh? what is it?
[23:27] <jcastro> well I am glad you asked
[23:27] <jcastro> we don't freeze the charm store
[23:28] <jcastro> when someone wants to update a node charm, or mongo, or cassandra, or whatever
[23:28] <jcastro> you don't care about the distro
[23:29] <jcastro> that means anyone who deploys subway will always get the fresh version
[23:29] <jcastro> for the life of 12.04
[23:29] <jcastro> this is monumentally different than anything we've ever done
[23:30] <pleia2> nice :)
[23:31] <bkerensa> jcastro: why is it called a store?
[23:31] <bkerensa> are you selling charms?
[23:31] <bkerensa> :D
[23:31] <akgraner> pleia2, found out today I'll be at UDS :-)  Will you have any more of those Ubuntu earrings on you this time?
[23:31] <jcastro> bkerensa, some people will want to sell charms
[23:31] <jcastro> but they'll have a hard time competing with free software if it's just junk. :)
[23:31] <mhall119> akgraner: how much time are you going to have between uds and lcq2-12?
[23:31] <pleia2> akgraner: yep, I've already talked to Maile about bringing some along :)
[23:31] <bkerensa> jcastro: What.... make money from Free Open Source Software... Insanity I tell you!
[23:31] <pleia2> akgraner: and yay for you attending!
[23:32] <akgraner> mhall119, about 14 days
[23:33] <bkerensa> jcastro: -y for npm = <petersed> bkerensa: nod idea :/
[23:33] <akgraner> pleia2, super I need to snag 2 more pair from you.
[23:34] <jcastro> bkerensa, ok, does npm ever prompt you?
[23:35] <jcastro> bkerensa, the script needs to be idempotent
[23:35] <jcastro> damn it, I hate that word!
[23:35] <pleia2> akgraner: silver or gold?
[23:36] <akgraner> one each please
[23:36] <bkerensa> jcastro: no it does not prompt
[23:37] <bkerensa> jcastro: I will try and push a new revision this weekend with the port opening being defined and some general cleanup plus a improved readme
[23:43] <jcastro> no worries
[23:43] <jcastro> it seems to be well on it's way
[23:43] <jcastro> and you have another work week so you're looking slick
[23:53] <nigelb> mhall119: we all know akgraner is a superhero and can pull off Hong Kong and California.
[23:57]  * nigelb hugs akgraner 
[23:58] <bkerensa> Anyone who can pull off Hong Kong and California in such a short turnaround is a Rock Star :)