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thumpergah...00:27
thumperI hate it when apport makes a public bug a dupe of a private one00:27
thumperespecially a private one I can't see00:27
jbichathumper: as a workaround you can ask in #ubuntu-bugs for a specific bug to be publicized00:38
thumperjbicha: thanks00:38
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micahgjbicha: I thought the SONAME bump was being reverted for cogl00:40
micahgjbicha: per the bug cogl 1.9.10 was going to revert the bump, so why upload now?00:44
jbichamicahg: the soname for 1.9.8 was cogl9, after that upload, the clutter devs bumped it again to cogl10 & then I complained so they reverted that change00:45
jbichacogl5 is currently in the archives so they've been making lots of changes this cycle00:45
micahgjbicha: ah, ok00:46
bjsniderit was already up to 10?00:46
bjsniderwow00:46
jbichawell it's better than gjs which doesn't bother changing their soname00:46
bjsniderthey must bump the soname every time they add something to the changelog00:47
jbichaevery tarball release where the API was changed00:49
bjsniderthey change the api alot, must mean they aren't satisfied with it00:50
* micahg is glad someone else is dealing with gjs/gnome-shell at this point :)00:51
Sarvattbjsnider: welcome to intel driver pain in your desktop packages, git master or bust :)00:57
lifelessis network-manager not meant to remember passwords now ?01:01
Sarvattlifeless: certainly does here01:03
lifelesshmm01:03
lifelesswell, it isn't here :(01:03
Sarvatti just switched to another ap and rebooted an hour ago01:03
lifelessand when I select edit on the network connectin in 'edt connections' it says 'Error initializing editor\nNo agents were available for this request.'01:04
micahgjbicha: I think you just need libgl1-mesa-dev on arm* as well01:05
micahgjbicha: but you should verify that with janimo01:05
* micahg can actually try it in a chroot01:06
Sarvattsomething wrong with the last mesa upload? we didnt touch libgl1-mesa-dev, just egl01:06
Ursinhathumper, which bug is it?01:09
Sarvattmicahg: yeah GL_PACK_INVERT_MESA is in gl01:10
Sarvattmicahg: actually mesa-common-dev01:11
micahgSarvatt: right, but libgl1-mesa-dev pulls that in on all the other archs01:12
* micahg guesses technically it would just be better to add mesa-common-dev explicitly01:12
Sarvattbut you dont need libGL.so, mesa-common-dev might be more correct (but could be wrong)01:12
thumperhi Ursinha, sorry didn't notice01:31
thumperI should file a bug about quassel not keeping urgency01:31
thumperalthough I do wonder if it is Qt or just Quassel01:31
thumperUrsinha: sorry, can't find the bug now :(01:36
brodercyphermox: do you have a ppa for oneiric with backported fixes for bug #869635 yet? i think i'm getting hit at least by the modemmanager bug, so i may set one up if not01:49
ubot2`Launchpad bug 869635 in wpasupplicant "long delay at shutdown/reboot - network-manager doesn't close correctly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/86963501:49
jbichamy computer can't do hw virtualization so I don't know if I can run an arm chroot01:49
TheMusojbicha: HW virt has nothing to do with emulating arm.01:49
TheMusohw virt only helps with running x86 VMs.01:49
jbichaso it doesn't need kvm?01:50
broderjbicha: i think you just need to install qemu-user-static01:50
jbichabroder: I installed that and ran sudo sbuild-createchroot --keyring=/etc/apt/trusted.gpg --arch=armhf precise /build/chroot/precise-armhf-sbuild http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/02:21
jbichabut I get Failure trying to run: chroot /build/chroot/precise-armhf-sbuild mount -t proc proc /proc02:21
jbichachroot: failed to run command `mount': No such file or directory02:27
broderjbicha: huh. i've never tried with sbuild-createchroot. i always use mk-sbuild02:48
jbichaI was just using http://wiki.debian.org/sbuild02:58
broderjbicha: i'm running it now to make sure it still works, but i think `mk-sbuild --arch=armhf precise` will work with no other options02:59
broderonce you have qemu-user-static installed so that you can run armhf binaries03:00
jbichathat command is a bit shorter, trying that now03:01
brodermk-sbuild also has a --eatmydata option if you're into that03:02
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broderdoes the HUD any time i tap alt quickly enough, regardless of other keypresses? it seems to if i press alt-left arrow or alt-right arrow quickly enough (for back/forward in chrome), which is really irritating03:56
broderah, yes. bug #934610. /me subscribes04:00
ubot2`Launchpad bug 934610 in unity "HUD - Typing a key combination (e.g. Alt-x) fast enough triggers the HUD" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93461004:00
DBObroder, unrelated...04:00
DBOcan I get glxinfo from you04:00
DBOI need to collect enough samples to get a feel for driver support for a new unity feature...04:01
brodersure: http://paste.ubuntu.com/882762/04:01
broderDBO: that's my desktop. i can get you my laptop, too, if i ever manage to unbreak apt04:03
DBObroder, the laptop is of higher interest to me04:04
DBOthough I find it odd your nvidia card is not getting GL 4.0 support04:04
DBOstill we only care about 3.004:04
broderit's a pretty crappy card04:04
DBO9500 GT is plenty fast for what I need04:05
DBOin fact its downright overkill04:05
broderi just don't know if i should expect the card itself to have GL 4.0, but i don't really know what i'm talking about when it comes to this sort of thing04:05
DBObroder, its mostly a driver support issue04:06
broderhuh, ok04:06
DBOstill, 32 stream units 8.8 billion texels/sec fill rate04:06
DBOyou should be able to kill the effects04:06
broderDBO: do you know if checkbox or ubuntu friendly or something is getting glxinfo data? that might be a better source of broad data than asking me :)04:12
DBOno idea really04:12
DBOeven if it were I dont know if I would have access04:13
broderyou could talk to ara04:13
DBOyeah I was hoping to luck upon someone with a G45 chip tonight04:13
DBOthat would seal me requirements quite nicely04:13
broderthat's...intel g45?04:14
DBOyeah04:14
DBOsometimes called the x450004:15
DBOor GMA450004:15
DBOsometimes HD is tacked on the end04:15
DBOall the same thing for what I care about04:15
broderhow does this look: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07)04:15
brodererr, hmm, that laptop has a...G45 audio codec, i think?04:16
* micahg has that same chiupset04:16
DBOthats perfect04:17
DBOgive me that04:17
DBOglxinfo04:17
brodermicahg: can you get it? i don't have precise installed on that machine at present04:18
* micahg installs mesa-utils04:19
micahgDBO: http://paste.ubuntu.com/882776/04:22
DBOoh thats *perfect*04:22
DBOI can just make the cutoff opengl 3.0 support04:22
DBOno custom rules04:22
DBOI love it04:23
DBOthank you micahg04:23
micahgDBO: you're welcome04:23
jasoncwarner_hey RAOF saw your name against the lightdm corruption after boot...how is that going?04:24
jasoncwarner_robert_ancell: ^^04:24
DBOjasoncwarner_, still getting that annoying white box thingie?04:26
jasoncwarner_DBO..yeah04:26
DBOawesome...04:26
jasoncwarner_though the above is a bit different...but yes, getting the white box thingy for sure04:27
ajmitchDBO: fwiw, I saw that today04:27
jasoncwarner_DBO: any idea yet on that one? makes me soooooo angry ;)04:27
DBOno04:27
ajmitchassuming it's the same white box, thumper thought it probably was :)04:27
DBOjasoncwarner_, does it block inputs?04:27
jasoncwarner_DBO: block input? no, I can do my normal computing stuff, just have this stupid white box over everything including teh dash and launcher etc04:28
DBOoh oh oh oh I know what04:28
DBOopen uhm04:28
DBOthe on screen keyboard04:29
DBOthat should render above the dash04:29
DBOdoes that also render above the white box?04:29
jasoncwarner_i don't have the whtie box at the moment, but as soon as I do, I'll test that04:30
jasoncwarner_(shoudln't be long now..rebooted about an hour ago ;) )04:30
DBOwish I thought of that a while ago04:32
DBOthat will immediately point to the problem area04:32
RAOFjasoncwarner_: I've been firefighting other things.  I'll kick into that now.04:33
DBORAOF, isn't that as simple as clearing the framebuffer?04:33
RAOFDBO: No; not if you want a seamless transition.04:34
DBORAOF, oh... ok :P04:35
RAOFDBO: There isn't a modeset between lightdm and the regular session; it's not X not having anything to draw after a modeset, it's what unity-greeter has drawn to the root window going mad after unity-greeter quits.04:35
RAOFOh, huh.  I thought we couldn't advertise GL 3.0 without S3TC compression support.  Apparently we do!04:36
DBORAOF, it's GL04:37
DBOlying is never out of the question04:37
RAOFHeh.04:38
* RAOF is not at all surprised that the nvidia 9600 doesn't support GL 4.0; it's not a DX11 part.04:38
RAOFDBO: By the way, the Intel sandybridge chips *also* support GL 3.0 on Precise.  Just on the off-chance you're hoping 3.0 support implies a certain level of performance :)04:40
DBORAOF, I am hoping that 3.0 implies newer nvidia/amd or sandybridge04:41
DBObut not any older intel04:41
DBOI believe that is correct04:41
RAOFI think that's correct, too.04:42
RAOFWhat effect are you trying to do?04:42
Sarvatthopefully nothing that requires GLX_ARB_create_context04:47
DBOSarvatt, actually we are simply using the 3.0 as an evil performance cutoff04:48
DBOsince apparently running a small benchmark on a users machine is evil...04:49
SarvattDBO: every time you start a unity session or something? that would be evil :P04:49
DBOpfft it would take like 20ms04:50
DBOrender a couple frames into an FBO04:50
DBOtime it04:50
DBOdone04:50
RAOFThat seems like a reasonable solution.04:50
DBOyeah considered evil...04:51
RAOFAlthough perhaps not *during* boot.04:51
DBOnah was going to do it on the first alt-tab04:51
* RAOF was thinking storing it as configuration, and doing it on first boot.04:51
DBOthat would not account for hardware upgrades04:51
DBOdriver improvements04:51
RAOFMatch up to GL renderer string, and you can cache it.04:51
DBOor us just improving the performance of the effect04:52
DBOlord knows we are doing an expensive effect that maybe some smart mathy person can make cheaper04:52
Sarvattif gl version string isnt' the same, retest?04:52
RAOFWould require a package upgrade, which can trivially trigger a re-benchmark.04:52
RAOFCan we argue with whoever said benchmarking to determine what level of effects should be attempted? :)04:54
DBOyeah...04:54
DBOstill...04:54
DBOit was implied to be evil!04:54
DBObrb04:54
RAOFDoing it in a hot-path isn't going to be a particularly awesome move, but you don't *have* to do it in a hot path :)04:54
DBOactually04:55
DBObed now04:55
DBOcheers04:55
RAOFG'night!04:56
RAOFDear universe: why isn't there an IDE that uses autofoo as its project description.04:56
Sarvattwould be funny if querying the cached gl version string took more time than doing the benchmark though, could totally see that :)04:58
jalcineRAOF: lol good question.04:59
RAOFSarvatt: Eh, they're already querying the GL vendor string as a part of startup; that info is free.05:01
BigWhaleGood Morning.05:47
ritzpretty funny, In fedora 18 the scrollbar reminds me more of ubuntu than anything else05:48
pittiGood morning06:04
Ursinhamorning06:08
didrocksgood morning06:26
pittididrocks: bonjour06:36
pittididrocks: ca va?06:36
didrocksguten morgen pitti06:36
didrocksI'm fine, thanks! And you?06:37
pittiquite well indeed!06:38
pittididrocks: I don't dare asking you my question..06:38
didrockspitti: hum, what question? :)06:40
pittididrocks: what do I need to reset in unity to get your alt fix?06:40
didrockspitti: euh, nothing normally, just logging out/in after upgrading should be fine06:41
didrocksnot working for you?06:41
didrocks(working well here and confirmed on the french forum)06:41
pittiit still neither works in terminal nor firefox06:41
didrockshum…06:41
pittiI got unity 5.6.0-0ubuntu3 yesterday evening, and have booted this morning06:41
didrocksI wonder if you don't have a keybinding blocking06:41
didrocks(a compiz one)06:42
didrocksunity --reset, but that will reset all your compiz keybindings06:42
pittiprobably ok, I can restore them06:42
didrockskeep me posted06:46
pittidoctor appointment, bbl07:19
didrockspitti: FYI, on alt + keys, seems that daniel and you still have it not working, so we are looking into it07:20
broderdidrocks: this may be related to pitti's issue, but alt-f10 doesn't work for me. expected or part of the same bug?07:26
broder(nothing happens, and some percentage of the time compiz seems to lock up entirely)07:27
didrocksbroder: you mean, it doesn't show the appmenu for you?07:47
pittibroder: I had that once yesterday, but a second try didn't reproduce07:51
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seb128hey08:52
pittibonjour seb12808:54
seb128hey pitti, wie gehts?08:56
pittigut, danke! und dir? (I'm in my 1-on-1)08:56
seb128pitti, gut, danke! (heh, finish, my 1:1 is supposed to be in 3 minutes :p)08:57
pittiseb128: he's all your's; sorry for running over :)09:06
seb128pitti, no worry, I've time it's my start of day ;-)09:06
seb128it's for jasoncwarner_ that it's starting being late :p09:06
pittinice, dpkg -P python-gobject now is only held back by four packages09:06
pittiI filed a debian bug for python-zeitgeist (didn't want to introduce a delta for this)09:07
pittiupdate-manager and system-config-printer-gnome need porting to GI09:07
pitti(or s-c-p dropped, rather)09:07
pittiand python-gst0.10 is only due to sessioninstaller and rhythmbox09:07
pittiat some point we want to make these work with GI gst09:07
BigWhaleGreetings.09:08
pittioh, the rb dependency is obsolete09:09
rickspencer3hey didrocks09:09
mvopitti: is it just python-gobject -> python-gi?09:09
didrockshey hey rickspencer309:09
rickspencer3so, when I rebooted, the super key didn;t work09:10
didrocksthen opened an app?09:10
rickspencer3I opened the dash manually, then it worked09:10
didrocksand super key works?09:10
seb128didrocks, do you want me to look for a rope for you?09:10
rickspencer3didrocks, sort of09:10
pittimvo: no, update-manager-core actually has a few "gobject" imports09:10
pittimvo: once that's ported, we can switch09:10
rickspencer3didrocks, when xchat was busy, it wouldn't work09:10
didrocksseb128: sometimes, I wish people would directly annoy dx, yeah :)09:10
didrocksrickspencer3: interesting, one sec09:11
rickspencer3seb128, in my defense, I asked didrocks already if he wanted me to check it out ;)09:11
rickspencer3so, it wasn't a randome ping09:11
didrocksrickspencer3: can you please add and +1 on bug #953089?09:11
ubot2`Launchpad bug 953089 in unity-distro-priority "Unity 5.6: Super key doesn't start the dash" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95308909:11
rickspencer3didrocks, yeah09:11
didrocksrickspencer3: then, I'll ping duflu about it09:11
pittididrocks: I think you need an IRC autoresponder /(unity|alt|super).*bug/ -> "please ask in #unity"09:11
rickspencer3anything else I can do to help, let me know09:12
didrockspitti: well, if only upstream was answering on their channel :/09:12
pittimvo: and gtk as well, of course09:12
mvopitti: oh, let me check09:13
mvopitti: that is the old DistUpgrade/DistUpgradeViewGtk.py we actually need it like this to support lucid->precise upgrades09:14
pittimvo: I moved all packages which use GI to python-gi yesterday09:14
mvopitti: or am I missing something?09:14
chrisccoulsongood morning everyone09:14
pittimvo: well, almost all, there were three which I sent a debian bug for09:14
pittimvo: ah, I see09:15
pittimvo: well, it's fine; we don't _need_ to drop it in 12.04 yet09:15
chrisccoulson whoever is on precise and running firefox could probably switch to the firefox-next PPA now, to start testing the first post-release update for 12.04 ;)09:15
pittimvo: I just did that dependency cleanup yesterday so that it's easier to see what's left to do09:15
pittimvo: I figure we can drop the static bits in 12.10?09:15
mvopitti: indeed, we can't as its still needed for the upgrade, once 12.04 is out we can drop it09:15
pittimvo: perfect09:15
mvopitti: great, thanks for the double-check!09:15
pittiso s-c-p won't be ported, but I figure we'll use the GNOME upstream printing UI in 12.1009:16
pittimvo: I think I already tried moving the gst bits in sessioninstaller to GI, but the gst GIR is not working very well09:17
pittianyway, no need to spend vast amount of effort on this now09:17
pittimvo: btw, any chance we can look at bug 950676 this week?09:18
ubot2`Launchpad bug 950676 in apt "lucid->precise upgrade failure due to gir1.0->gir1.2 conflicts" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95067609:18
mvopitti: yes!09:20
BigWhalekillall -9 unity ; unity & should be sufficient after an upgrade, right?09:20
BigWhaleok, unity --replace is needed09:21
broderdidrocks: i expect alt-f10 to maximize the window, but it doesn't09:24
broderaha! apparently i'm supposed to retrain myself to use super-up. didn't notice that before - must not have done a unity --reset yet09:26
didrocksbroder: alt-f10 doesn't maximize, it's supposed now to open the appmenu09:27
broderdidrocks: yep, got it. i was having problems immediately after upgrading, so i checked ccsm and alt-f10 was still listed as being the maximize. since then i've done a unity --reset, and it's now showing super-up09:29
broderso it seems like i was left without a functioning maximize shortcut immediately after upgrading, which seems suboptimal09:29
didrocksbroder: yeah, compiz isn't great for migrating settings unfortunatly09:29
chrisccoulsonchop the last 4 words from that sentence ;)09:29
* chrisccoulson trolling09:29
chrisccoulson:-)09:30
broderseems like it might be worth just coming up with some condition where it's reasonable to reset the settings on upgrade. maybe first time you login to the ubuntu session or something?09:30
seb128hey chrisccoulson, how are you?09:31
chrisccoulsonhi seb128. i'm good thanks, but a bit tired. how are you?09:31
seb128chrisccoulson, lucky you, you can troll without being trolled back, I can't remember having hit any firefox bug this cycle :p09:32
chrisccoulsonheh09:32
seb128chrisccoulson, same here, good but tired, I'm working on it through coffee though ;-)09:32
chrisccoulsonyeah, it's fairly solid atm09:32
chrisccoulsonand i even run nightly builds :)09:32
seb128chrisccoulson, time for you to tackle your g-s-d login measurement workitem then! ;-)09:33
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'll do that later. just getting firefox 12 beta stuff ready :)09:33
chrisccoulson(already)09:33
seb128chrisccoulson,  is 12 the one which will have some ui changes?09:33
chrisccoulsonseb128, what sort of changes? it looks fairly similar to the current version here09:34
seb128chrisccoulson, dunno, I read some article online which stated they were looking at changing the ui, how tabs are rendered and a few other things09:34
chrisccoulsonoh, the theme refresh09:34
chrisccoulsonno, that hasn't happened yet09:35
chrisccoulsonif that happens, then it won't be before firefox 14, seeing as nothing has landed on trunk yet09:35
seb128ok09:35
seb128chrisccoulson, didn't they want to change the startpage as well?09:35
pittididrocks: so, unity --reset destroyed all my settings, but alt+left/up are still broken in ffox and weechat :/09:35
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure what's going on with the startpage. i thought they were going to have a home tab, which would be the access point to the app store09:36
pittianyway, will deal with this later on, need to run to the supermarked quickly09:36
chrisccoulsonbut i don't really know what is happening with that just yet09:36
didrockspitti: yeah, duflu found another place where it can causes this09:36
seb128chrisccoulson, ok, nothing fancy in 12 yet then ;-)09:36
didrockspitti: so maybe another today09:36
chrisccoulsonwhat happens to the startpage is probably going to be driven by the requirements of https://wiki.mozilla.org/Web_Apps_integration09:36
seb128chrisccoulson, is mozilla trying to turn my browser into an OS? ;-)09:37
chrisccoulsonlol09:37
seb128and I can't even say "I will stay on the lts", you will bring the new crack there for us :p09:38
chrisccoulsoni really want to provide our own branded local startpage, so that we benefit from some of the features of the upstream startpage09:38
chrisccoulsonas it stands, we will miss out on features that are accessed via the upstream startpage09:38
seb128right09:39
seb128chrisccoulson, btw did you get anywhere about the search entry not respecting your local for searches?09:39
seb128or rather google not respecting your locale09:39
chrisccoulsonnot yet. that reminds me, i need to email someone at google about that09:39
rickspencer3wow, unlucky day for me :/10:06
seb128rickspencer3, what happened?10:07
rickspencer3I did a dist-upgrade yesterday, eveyrthing was fine10:07
rickspencer3booted this morning, got a disk check ... then unity didn't quite finish loading10:07
rickspencer3this is on my workstation10:07
rickspencer3I did a hard reboot10:07
rickspencer3I suppose I should have ssh'ed in and gotten logs and stuff10:07
rickspencer3dang10:07
rickspencer3worked perfectly this time :)10:08
rickspencer3brb10:08
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tkamppeterpitti, hi10:33
pittihello tkamppeter10:33
tkamppeterpitti, I have committed cups-filters 1.0.5 now. Canb you upload it to Debian and Ubuntu? It fixes all PostScript printer problems.10:34
pittitkamppeter: nice! so did it help to reduce the PS level?10:34
pittitkamppeter: I'll have a look at debian bug 663564, and then uplaod10:36
ubot2`Debian bug 663564 in cups-filters "cups-filters: 'make clean' leaves some object files over" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/66356410:36
pittitkamppeter: that's also something which sohuld go upstream10:36
* desrt yawns10:38
tkamppeterpitti, reducing of the PS level did not help. The solution was adding certain workaround code to deactivate some PS features which the interpreters do not like.10:42
seb128desrt, hey, wth, waking up at the middle of the night now? ;-)10:42
desrtcan't sleep :)10:42
tkamppeterpitti, The "make clean" issue and some improvement on texttopdf will come in 1.0.6.10:42
pittihey desrt10:42
pittitkamppeter: ah, so should I leave this bug alone for now?10:43
tkamppeterpitti, please upload 1.0.5 as it is now, as the bugs it fixes are of high importance.10:43
pittiack10:43
desrtpitti: good morning10:43
desrtseb128: how's glib?10:43
desrti notice you did a subtle increase of the priority on my XUL bug :)10:44
seb128desrt, glib is just building, I cleared night backlog first10:44
desrtsounds good.  looks like no new crisis for me overnight10:45
seb128desrt, XUL> no, I just added an Ubuntu component to the bug and make it match the upstream settings10:45
* desrt notices some nice new gnome upgrades and wonders if it's jbicha or ricotz10:46
desrtremind me again: what is the dpkg equivalent for cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/${pkgname}.list?10:47
seb128desrt, dpkg -L binary?10:49
desrtthanks10:50
desrtlooks like the new gnome-shell upload has problems :(10:50
seb128desrt, what sort of problems?10:50
desrt    JS ERROR: !!!     message = '"missing ; before statement"'10:51
desrt    JS ERROR: !!!   Exception was: SyntaxError: missing ; before statement10:51
desrt    JS ERROR: !!!     lineNumber = '12'10:51
desrt    JS ERROR: !!!     fileName = '"/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/misc/config.js"'10:51
desrt    JS ERROR: !!!     stack = '"@/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/main.js:1510:51
desrtthese sort10:51
seb128urg10:51
desrtconst HAVE_NETWORKMANAGER = @HAVE_NETWORKMANAGER@;10:51
desrtoof.10:51
seb128hum10:51
desrti'm not a javascript genius or anything... but that looks more like automake than javascript :)10:52
seb128desrt, so interesting, new cogl got uploaded and binaries got rejected10:52
seb128I guess that's because it failed to build on armel and somebody figured it should build everywhere or nowhere ;-)10:52
desrtwhat does it mean for binaries to be rejected?10:52
seb128desrt, that they will never reach you10:52
desrtcurious10:53
desrthow is that related?10:53
seb128desrt, related to what?10:53
desrtthe gnome-shell failure10:53
seb128oh, I'm not speaking about your bug10:53
desrtah.  okay10:53
desrti though you had an explanation :)10:53
seb128desrt, rather commenting on the "new gnome upgrades"10:53
seb128desrt, we were > < that close to get the new clutter in :p10:54
seb128desrt, which meant the new gnome-shell in10:54
desrtoh10:54
seb128it's just that armel ruined your party10:54
desrtso now i have a new ultra-high priority bug :)10:54
desrtgot a log?10:54
seb128desrt, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/96702927/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.cogl_1.9.8-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz10:54
desrtdid you report that already?10:55
seb128desrt, jbicha used https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-1.0/+bug/94161710:55
ubot2`Launchpad bug 941617 in clutter-1.0 "FFe: Update clutter/cogl to 1.9" [Wishlist,Confirmed]10:55
seb128desrt, oh, upstream, dunno if he did10:56
desrtahh10:56
desrtno arm builds for ppa, i'm guessing10:56
seb128desrt, no10:56
jbichagood morning10:56
desrtjbicha: good morning10:57
seb128hey jbicha, how are you?10:57
desrtjbicha: bad gnome-shell upload? :(10:57
seb128desrt, hum, glib with your cancellable patches failed to build10:58
desrtah.  it's a good morning for everybody10:58
desrtseb128: test failures?10:58
seb128desrt, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/883085/10:59
desrtseb128: you applied one patch and forgot the other10:59
seb128desrt, bah, some days I hate quilt10:59
seb128desrt, sorry about that11:00
desrt:)11:00
desrtno worries.  only increased my heart rate for 1 minute :)11:00
seb128I had both but I ls >> serie (forgot the 's')11:00
desrtahh11:00
desrthum11:01
desrtmost curious!11:01
desrt./cogl/cogl.c:#ifndef GL_PACK_INVERT_MESA11:01
desrt./cogl/cogl.c:#define GL_PACK_INVERT_MESA 0x875811:01
jbichadesrt: do you have an ARM chroot? I tried to make one yesterday but I was getting memory errors11:02
desrtjbicha: i have an arm system, in fact11:02
desrtjbicha: the fix here is quite obvious, though11:03
seb128desrt, mhr3: btw the libgee warning issue is fixed after yesterday's "rebuild with current vala" update11:03
desrtjbicha: the code that uses GL_PACK_INVERT_MESA was originally added to cogl.c with this #ifndef business above11:03
jbichahttp://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/14/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t01:0511:03
desrtthe code was later moved to cogl-framebuffer.c11:03
mhr3seb128, awesome, thx11:03
desrtbut the #ifndef didn't follow it11:04
desrtthe #ifndef just needs to be moved over11:04
seb128pitti, \o/ syncdaemon bug11:05
pittijust pushed the fix upstream11:05
pittiseb128: with that I'm on par with you again!11:05
seb128pitti, ;-)11:05
pittiactually no, I uploaded a fix in ubuntu-defaults-builder this morning11:05
pittiso, +111:05
seb128pitti, I've 3 fixes lined up for upload11:06
* pitti sighs11:06
seb128pitti, you need to get an extra 2 this afternoon :p11:06
desrtjbicha: checking what's the deal with the mesa headers on ARM11:06
desrtclearly there is some expectation that this symbol may not exist11:06
desrtjbicha: have you reported the bug upstream yet?  i can do so, with a patch, if you like11:07
jbichadesrt: no, I had assumed I was missing some build-depends, thanks11:08
desrtjbicha: seems quite unlikely11:08
seb128chrisccoulson, don't feed the trolls! (reading your -discuss reply)11:08
chrisccoulsonheh :)11:09
chrisccoulsoni love feeding the trolls!11:09
seb128;-)11:09
desrtjbicha: recent bug.  happened on feb 2511:10
desrtjbicha: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67203811:15
ubot2`Gnome bug 672038 in general "Move the fallback define for GL_PACK_INVERT_MESA" [Normal,Unconfirmed]11:15
desrtthis actually looks vaguely like a mesa bug....11:15
desrtbut i don't know enough to say11:16
desrtbecause in the mesa headers you see this:11:16
desrt#ifndef GL_MESA_pack_invert #define GL_PACK_INVERT_MESA               0x8758 #endif11:16
desrtand later on, this:11:16
desrt#ifndef GL_MESA_pack_invert #define GL_MESA_pack_invert 1 #endif11:16
desrtif those were in the other order, this would to working fine11:16
jbichadesrt: have you test built on ARM yet?11:17
desrtnope11:17
desrtlet me do that.11:17
desrti think it may take a while11:17
desrtmy arm system isn't the zippiest thing :)11:18
seb128desrt, ok, so glib seems to work fine for me, you have another chance to stop me before I upload it :p11:20
desrtseb128: i didn't find any problems either11:20
seb128desrt, ok, let's upload11:20
glatzorhello mvo, i committed some fixes to the aptdaemon branch11:21
seb128glatzor, hey11:22
desrtjbicha: test-building now11:23
jbichadesrt: Timo attached almost the same patch to the Ubuntu bug :)11:23
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i make the same assumption in firefox as dbusmenu is making for bug 95356211:23
ubot2`Launchpad bug 953562 in glib2.0 "dbusmenu assumes GDBus cancellation is reliable (and it's not)" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95356211:23
desrtjbicha: the problem is pretty obvious11:23
seb128chrisccoulson, so you should be happy with the new upload ;-)11:24
desrtdevscripts has the worst recommends list of anything in the entire archive :p11:24
desrtat least it doesn't install postfix anymore :)11:25
glatzorhey seb128 ! how are you?11:25
seb128glatzor, I'm thanks, how are you?11:26
desrt*** parse error11:26
glatzorseb128, fine. except that I have to leave for work now :/ :)11:26
seb128glatzor, ok, ttyl!11:26
seb128desrt, ?11:26
desrt07:26 < seb128> glatzor, I'm thanks, how are you?11:27
seb128ups, "good" ;-)11:27
desrtso i looked at the background thing last night, btw11:27
desrtit's not as easy as all that11:27
desrtmostly because lightdm does its image loading in a thread (as not to block the main UI thread when switching users)11:28
desrtand gnomebg is not threadsafe11:28
desrtseb128: hey.  hold the press on your glib upload.11:28
desrt(unless it's too late)11:28
seb128desrt, not too late11:28
desrti have another few patches for you :p11:29
seb128desrt, the log ones?11:29
desrtya11:29
seb128desrt, yeah, I noticed in git, both are needed?11:29
desrtthere are 3, actually11:29
desrtalthough the one that's not in the bug is a windows fix11:29
desrtand very embarassing :)11:29
seb128desrt, I don't care about win bugs for Ubuntu uploads :p11:30
seb128desrt, the buffer size one?11:30
desrtya11:30
desrtpretty hilarious11:30
seb128yeah, "don't care" ;-)11:30
desrt"allocate an 80 bytes buffer"11:30
desrt"now read a 100 bytes string into it"11:30
desrt...2 lines apart11:30
seb128desrt, ok, I'm uploading that dbusmenu fix for now, I will do another upload later today or tomorrow, I've some packaging stuff to fix, I will include the log stuff then11:31
desrtcool11:32
didrockspitti: so, the additional alt fixes seems to work without any regression I spotted11:40
didrockspitti: will take my chance and upload it11:40
pitti\o/11:40
* pitti hugs didrocks11:40
* didrocks hugs pitti back11:41
desrtdidrocks: my god...11:43
desrtdidrocks: this caching code you added to gnomebg11:43
desrtINSANE11:43
didrocksdesrt: hum, really? vuntz acked it for my defense :p11:43
desrtthe num_monitor thing is really really difficult to understand11:44
desrtand possibly broken too11:44
desrtsince it assumes that a particular monitor number will always exist at the same geometry position11:44
desrtjbicha: cogl test build is looking good... it's past the compiling and onto the docs11:45
didrocksdesrt: hum, the unicity is done on num monitor/geometry transformation/resolution11:45
desrtdidrocks: so consider that i have a 'span' configuration with monitor 0 (1920x1200) on the left and monitor 1 (same) on the right11:46
desrtthen i change the order11:46
desrtthe filenames should probably encode the relative position of each monitor -- not just its number11:47
desrtand for completeness, also the total resolution of the desktop (since that could theoretically have an impact in the span case as well)11:48
desrtunless you have a reason to believe i am wrong :)11:48
* desrt has never seen it actually do the wrong thing11:48
didrocksdesrt: I don't see how the span configuration changes things? As there is a support for only one wallpaper per monitor from what I know of?11:50
didrocksthe wallpapers can't span across monitors, isn't it?11:50
desrtyes.  they can.11:50
desrtthat's the 'spanned' option11:50
didrocksdesrt: oh really? Never noticed the option. So in this case, you're right, encoding the relative position and total resolution would be needed11:51
desrtdidrocks: i'm sort of wondering why you bother with the monitor number at all11:52
desrtdidrocks: it seems in the 'spanned' case i end up with a file like so:11:52
desrt0_6_3840_1200_3243108fa99adb7361797c9c64f0021d11:52
desrtie: the total resolution of both monitors11:52
didrocksdesrt: the monitor was added at the end of the review11:52
didrocksfrom a french man leaving in Grenoble :)11:52
desrtwhich means the monitor number thing is ... not really used, i guess11:52
desrtahh11:52
desrtvuntz added that part?11:52
didrocksthe idea was "maybe one day, we will support multiple wallpapers"11:52
desrt*headdesk*11:53
didrocksdon't remember if I added them or he did TBH11:53
didrocksquite 2 years old :)11:53
didrocksbut remember that was added at the end11:53
didrockstriggered an offset issue11:53
didrocksand then fixed :)11:53
* desrt was trying to make sense of GnomeBG yesterday for adding to lightdm (so we can have slideshows supported)11:53
* didrocks tries to grab the bug reference11:54
didrocksdesrt: but yeah, not having the monitor number prevent this case (which isn't used today)11:54
desrthttps://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60841911:55
ubot2`Gnome bug 608419 in libgnome-desktop "Caching wallpaper resize to avoid some CPU cycle at startup" [Enhancement,Resolved: fixed]11:55
desrtin any case, i don't think it matters too much11:55
desrti've stopped trying for now :)11:55
desrtgetting GnomeBG into lightdm would be ... much less trivial than i expected11:55
desrtand there are more important things to do :)11:56
desrtjbicha: the cogl build is working11:56
didrocksagreed :)11:56
didrockswell, changing the monitor side, if they have exactly the same resolution and you use "spanned" wallpaper11:57
didrocksthe probability is quite low :)11:57
desrtnot really11:57
desrtwhen you hook up two new monitors for the first time there's a 50/50 chance that they end up the right way around11:58
didrockshum, really? I remember digging into the glib monitor doc for that purpose11:58
didrocksand I thought it was quite clear from there that the number were preserved11:58
desrtyes.  that's exactly the problem :)11:59
desrtthe number is preserved -- so it used to be in the order (0 1) and now it's in the order (1 0)11:59
didrocksI meant, the number per monitor11:59
didrockslike, the monitor tagged 0 will always be 0 :)12:00
didrocksor you mean, when you switch them?12:00
desrtyes.  exactly12:00
desrtmaybe i plug in the monitor physically on the right side and it becomes 0 and the desktop decides it is the one on the left12:00
didrocksah yeah, in this case, even if the resolution is different on both, you will get the bug12:00
didrockshum, tricky :)12:00
desrtwell, i'm not sure12:01
desrtbecause there is another bug that seems to prevent that, as mentioned :)12:01
desrtin the span case, it seems that only monitor number 0 is ever seen12:01
desrtwith the total resolution of the entire desktop appearing in the cache filename12:01
desrtwhich is.. unexpected :)12:01
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didrocksindeed :)12:01
desrtcaching is also never done for slideshows12:02
desrtand it could be...12:02
didrocksyeah, that's in a FIXME in the code, or TODO :)12:02
desrtie: cache the scaled source images12:02
desrtbefore blending12:02
didrocksone after another12:02
didrockswe need to think about the cleanup though12:02
desrtya....12:02
didrocksI'm still very surprised by the speed we gained with that12:03
didrocksquite unexpected12:03
desrtscaling is not cheap12:03
desrtwell, actually12:03
desrtthe clever thing to do would be to scale on the GPU12:03
didrocksindeed :)12:03
desrtbut i guess that might not work if you can't upload the original image as a texture because it's too large12:04
desrtor if you're in a software-only situation12:04
didrocksit's not like the GPU is totally unfamiliar with this kind of operations :)12:04
didrockslarge FBO support is better, so maybe in few years12:04
cyphermoxyo/sup12:04
didrocks(apart from cheap netbooks)12:04
desrtheh12:05
desrti totally pictured you writing that patch on your cheap netbook :)12:05
didrocksdesrt: no, it was on my cheap laptop! :)12:05
didrocksdesrt: even if it's totally true that most of the time, I do my GNOME patches on my netbook (while travelling)12:05
didrocksbut not this one though ;)12:05
didrocksoh wait12:06
didrocksyeah I refactored it for gnome3 on my netbook12:06
didrockswhile doing Annecy->Lyon ;) so yeah, half true :)12:06
desrtugh12:07
desrtannoying unity issue: go into a terminal and hold down alt+a12:07
dupondjeCould somebody give https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/931397 a look?12:07
ubot2`Launchpad bug 931397 in xorg-server "Xorg crashes with AutoAddDevices "false"" [High,Confirmed]12:07
desrtwatch the appmenu flicker....12:07
didrocksdesrt: yeah, this one is tracked12:08
didrocksdesrt: (TBH, we have more annoying issues, but shhhhh ;))12:08
desrtdidrocks: i found a really really cool one yesterday :)12:09
didrocksif it's cool, I'm all hears :)12:09
desrthttp://imgur.com/uGhcd12:09
desrtthat's what happens if you write a program that repeatedly opens/closes a window quickly12:10
desrtseems the code that dynamically adds/removes the icon for the window to the dash has some race in it12:10
didrockshuho, scary12:11
didrocksplease ping DBO about it12:11
didrocks(what's this train icon?)12:11
desrtit's a custom gnome-terminal profile i have called 'spadina'12:11
desrtthat sshs me to my linode (also called 'spadina')12:11
didrocksmakes sense :)12:12
desrtspadina is a street in downtown toronto.  it has streetcars on it.12:12
desrtthey kinda look like that :)12:12
* desrt needed an icon *shrug*12:12
didrocksah ok, got it!12:12
* didrocks still waiting for thunderbird to restart12:12
didrocks(approx. 2min here)12:12
* didrocks looks at chrisccoulson meanwhile12:12
desrthttp://people.csail.mit.edu/hasinoff/spadiners/510-streetcar.jpg12:12
didrocksdesrt: the picture looks accurate12:14
dupondjecnd: You have any status on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/931397 ?12:17
ubot2`Launchpad bug 931397 in xorg-server "Xorg crashes with AutoAddDevices "false"" [High,Confirmed]12:17
desrtDBO: hey12:20
desrtDBO: http://imgur.com/uGhcd happens if you run http://fpaste.org/79H2/ for a little while12:20
desrteven after you quit the program...12:21
desrtand unity tends to be using a lot of CPU at that point as well (and doesn't go back down)12:21
desrtrestarting unity fixes both issues12:21
seb128dupondje, hey, I recommend you use #ubuntu-x for xorg issues12:24
* dupondje joins :) thx12:25
desrtseb128: thanks for the gio-symbols catch12:34
seb128desrt, yw ;-)12:34
tkamppeterpitti, patch for debian bug 663564 is applied to the upstream BZR of cups-filters now, so will be available in 1.0.6.12:39
ubot2`Debian bug 663564 in cups-filters "cups-filters: 'make clean' leaves some object files over" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/66356412:39
didrockstkamppeter: hey, did you get the time to look at why I can't print anymore btw? :)12:41
jbichaseb128: can you approve cogl & gjs from the new queue?12:58
seb128jbicha, done13:00
tkamppeterdidrocks, this is a known bug, thew update to the new gutenprint does not update your PPD.13:01
tkamppeterdidrocks, for the time being, run13:01
tkamppetersudo cups-genppdupdate13:02
didrockstkamppeter: thanks! Will try that :)13:02
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desrtjbicha: fixed build has been fired off, i guess?13:16
seb128desrt, cogl? it built and got newed already13:20
desrtoh.  that was fast.13:20
desrti guess the builders are not loaded down for the day yet :)13:21
seb128desrt, seems like builders are more powerful that your arm device ;-)13:21
seb128desrt, well, archive builders are usually fine13:21
seb128desrt, the lag is often on ppa builders13:21
desrtah.  didn't realise PPA was a different set13:21
desrti thought they used the same x86(64) ones13:21
seb128desrt, the ppa ones are virtual buildders with a limit set of archs13:21
desrtand just the arm ones were for archive-only13:21
seb128desrt, archive buildders are real hardware builders :p13:22
desrt:)13:22
seb128desrt, https://launchpad.net/builders btw13:22
desrti was just looking for that13:22
desrtdidn't it used to be called soyuz?13:22
desrtaw crap.  unity crashed again -- in a really interesting way13:23
seb128no, "soyuz" is the launchpad codename for the buildds part13:23
seb128it redirects to launchpad.net/launchpad nowadays though13:23
desrti can still type into IRC and my screen is updating (i see my music player ticking off seconds)13:23
desrtbut i can't interact with any chrome (like moving windows)13:23
desrtnor can i change the focus13:23
seb128*fun*13:23
desrtgood old compiz restart fixes all :)13:24
desrtwe still have lpia builders?  fascinating.13:24
* desrt thought those were done13:25
pittitkamppeter: ah, great13:25
seb128desrt, yeah, and seems people still use it :p13:25
seb128desrt, the ppa stats have "lpia 1 4 jobs (1 hour 40 minutes) "13:26
desrtthere's only one... so i'm guessing it's only used for some special-cases?13:26
seb128desrt, likely for people still running builds on ubuntu version where lpia was supported13:26
seb128not sure, that would be a lamont's question ;-)13:26
seb128or maybe just "in case we would need one a day for a reason"13:27
desrtah.  good call.13:27
desrtah nice.  jbicha did a fixed gnome-shell upload13:28
desrtdidrocks: The following packages will be REMOVED: unity13:28
desrtThe following packages will be upgraded: unity-common13:29
didrocksdesrt: you are on amd64?13:29
desrtyup...13:29
desrtthat's not supposed to happen anymore, right?13:29
didrocksdesrt: seems the unity-common in i386 is published13:29
didrocksand the unity package built on amd64 for you not13:29
didrocksdesrt: hum, no, it's supposed to happen still :)13:29
desrtah.  okay.13:29
desrtso the usual "don't blindly dist-upgrade" :)13:29
didrocksexactly!13:30
desrtsorry for the bug13:30
didrocksno worry ;)13:30
didrocksat least, you asked before telling yes :p13:30
* desrt runs apt-get with -y from now on for extra fun13:31
didrockstip of the day: add --force-yes as well :)13:31
desrtis that for the "Yes, I really mean to destroy my system" prompt? :)13:31
didrocks;)13:31
didrocks(btw, when compiz crash, it's normal you can still type on IRC and the screen refreshes by Xorg)13:32
didrocksbut as you told, you can't switch the focus13:32
didrocksand of course, no chrome13:32
desrtwell, there was chrome13:32
desrti just couldn't interact with it13:32
desrtlike dragging the title bar did nothing13:32
didrockschrome, like window decoration?13:32
desrtya13:32
didrocksah interesting, that shouldn't happen indeed :)13:32
tkamppeterpitti, can you upload CUPS to Debian and Ubuntu? It has important fixes on the IPP backend.13:33
desrti don't know if it was a crash as much as a weird sort of lockup13:33
didrockswell, lockup, if compiz is still running, freeze the screen most of the time, no more refresh13:33
desrtya.  that's why i was surprised13:33
pittitkamppeter: ok, sure; still fighting with the kfreebsd FTBFS, I'll have another look at this; my first attempt didn't succeed13:36
pittitkamppeter: building now13:40
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jibelwhat is the key to enable/disable the display of the content of ~/Desktop on the desktop ?13:44
seb128jibel,13:45
seb128org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons13:46
jibelseb128, thanks, that's also the key to bug 953089 \o/13:48
ubot2`Launchpad bug 953089 in unity-distro-priority "Unity 5.6: key bindings doesn't work on empty workspace" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95308913:48
jibelwhen show-desktop-icons is disabled, no keybinding work13:48
seb128hum13:49
seb128why do people do stuff like that?!13:49
seb128still a bug, but yeah, stupid options keep bitting us13:50
jibelit also breaks refresh of the title in the menu bar13:53
seb128jibel, right, we should not let people turn that off13:54
seb128jibel, I'm pondering forcing the option under unity13:54
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jibelseb128,is it on or off after an upgrade from oneiric ?13:56
seb128jibel, it was always on in any ubuntu version13:56
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didrocksseb128: not in une though14:22
didrocks(sorry, catching up, was building the list for priority on top of priority to prioritize more bugs)14:23
s9iper1huats:  are you there14:23
s9iper1?14:23
didrocksso maybe une -> natty -> oneiric -> precise14:23
s9iper1found a bug related to you i guess14:23
didrocksbut it was the default key, so should be migrated to the new default after update/login14:24
cyphermoxdidrocks: seb128: pitti: are you guys running the new n-m/n-m-g from ~ubuntu-desktop ppa? I'd upload today if possible14:26
pitticyphermox: ah, I'm not; seems I missed the announcement/ping for that14:27
didrockscyphermox: I added the ppa this morning, but didn't get a chance to reboot yet14:27
* pitti upgrades14:27
seb128cyphermox, I didn't restart yet, will do in a bit14:27
cyphermoxthanks guys14:28
huatss9iper1: I am14:32
huatsbut not sure I'll be able to answer you14:32
huatsjust query me in private14:33
huatsI'll answer it once I'llbe able (tonight)14:33
* desrt does the happy-cogl dance14:59
desrtjbicha_: looks like the gnome-shell lg crasher is fixed with the latest upload15:00
jbicha_desrt: upload? you mean the gnome3 ppa or what?15:02
desrtyes.  i'd imagine so.15:02
cnddupondje, no status to report15:03
jbicha_wow, yeah it works here too now, I did pull from the Debian packaging & rebuilt a few things....15:03
cnddupondje, why are you running with auto add devices as false?15:04
seb128jbicha_, I promoted the cogl binary and retried builds15:05
seb128jbicha_, clutter builds I mean15:05
dupondjecnd: seems like its a required setting for bumblebee15:06
cnddupondje, what's bumblebee?15:06
dupondjenvidia optimus implementation.15:07
cndwhy would it be required for it?15:07
dupondjehttp://www.bumblebee-project.org/15:07
dupondjeNot sure why its needed btw.15:08
cnddupondje, where do you see anything that says it is needed?15:09
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dupondjehttps://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/blob/master/conf/xorg.conf.nouveau15:11
dupondjethe bugreporter is the main dev of Bumblebee btw15:12
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chrisccoulsoni'm disappointed that the troll didn't respond to my email on the gwibber thread15:34
pittididrocks: rebooted with new unity, and there's still a problem15:44
pitticyphermox: new nm/nm-applet from PPA, working fine for WPA2 and system-wide connection15:44
cyphermoxpitti: thanks15:44
cyphermoxWPA2 I'm using too, testing WPA2 ad-hoc as a replacement for the WPA ad-hoc fubar15:45
didrockspitti: :/ we kill latest opportunities though15:45
didrocksworks well here, but since yesterday15:45
pittididrocks: now that my Alt key is fully working, what do I annoy you with now?15:45
didrocks(weechat in a terminal)15:45
* pitti hugs didrocks, SCNR15:46
* didrocks hugs pitti too15:46
pittiworking well in weechat and firefox again!!15:46
didrocksstop doing that to my little heart!15:46
didrocks:)15:46
didrocksphew ;)15:46
jbichachrisccoulson: I was wondering why you wanted to break my Flash plugin, but it turns out I just needed to update my partner sources.list to precise15:55
chrisccoulsonjbicha, it's all part of a larger conspiracy :)15:56
jbichathe conspiracy that the partner repo stays empty most of the development cycle? or the one involving Gwibber?15:57
jbichahmm, clutter fails on armel & armhf too https://launchpadlibrarian.net/96782888/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.clutter-1.0_1.9.14-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz16:07
pittiSweetshark: is bug 906402 still required for precise?16:12
ubot2`Launchpad bug 906402 in graphite2 "[MIR] graphite2" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/90640216:12
Amozjbicha, you're my hero <316:13
Sweetsharkpitti: no, IMHO.16:13
Amozand everyone else working on gnome 3.4 for official repos16:14
pittiSweetshark: ah, good; could you please close the bug then, saying that/why it's not needed any more?16:15
Sweetsharkpitti, jibel_: I still cant reproduce bug 916868 -- I just did a complete upgraded from a virgin oneiric install.16:16
ubot2`Launchpad bug 916868 in libreoffice "package libreoffice-common 1:3.5.0~beta2-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 134 (dup-of: 915271)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91686816:16
ubot2`Launchpad bug 915271 in libreoffice "package libreoffice-core 1:3.4.4-0ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: rmdir: failed to remove `usr/lib/libreoffice/basis3.4/program/': Directory not empty" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/91527116:16
jbichadesrt: the clutter failure is upstream too, right?16:16
Sweetsharkjibel, jibel_: Is it possible to run jenkins with debug=70000?16:16
jibelSweetshark, sure. first thing tomorrow16:27
Sweetsharkjibel: great! that helps me a bunch. thanks!16:28
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didrockscyphermox: seems I stil have network :)16:33
cyphermoxdidrocks: great16:36
cyphermoxI'll upload this after lunch I think16:36
cyphermoxothers tested this as I fit in two extra bug fixes on top16:36
didrockscyphermox: yeah, I tried wired and wifi and both are fine here16:36
didrocksnice :)16:37
cyphermoxanyone tried 3G? (though I did, and I know it works)16:37
cyphermoxI just ordered 4 new 3G devices to help with testing, and slowly build up my box of pain16:37
* didrocks doesn't have a 3G card support in the computer16:37
cyphermoxdidrocks: don't worry about it16:38
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pittigood night everyone!17:12
* didrocks waves good evening18:03
mterryIs anyone else having trouble clicking on scrollbar grips this past week?18:05
dobeymterry: if you mean overlay-scrollbar, i've always had problems with that.18:12
mterrydobey, I do mean o-s, but I've only had recent problems.  It goes away too quickly18:12
dobeyah18:14
dobeymterry: the fade-out time seems fine here. i have also been experiencing some of my mouse clicks being ignored all over the place, though18:15
mterrydobey, no, not that.  It just goes away before I can get to it18:16
dobeymterry: it doesn't pop up where your mouse is?18:17
mterrydobey, well, it does, but kind of to the right, as expected.  When I try to move over to it, it goes away18:18
seb128mterry, do you use a pad?18:18
seb128mterry, or any touch device?18:18
mterryseb128, laptop touchpad18:18
seb128mterry, it's https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67200918:18
ubot2`Gnome bug 672009 in gtk "gtk 3.3.18, menu items are not highlighted on mouseover with pads devices" [Normal,New]18:18
seb128mterry, gtk missing enter events on touch devices18:19
dobeyhuh18:19
seb128likely a side effect of the xinput 2.2 smooth scrolling work18:19
seb128there is a small testcase with a gtkbutton on the bug18:19
seb128it only gets the first enter event not the next ones18:19
seb128works fine if you use a mouse18:19
mterryseb128, ah, I'm opening an email on d-d-l from you now that sounds related  :)18:19
seb128it's something xinputish18:19
mterryeh, not quite18:20
seb128mterry, yeah, the email is gtk doing a slightly incompatible change in their abi18:20
dobeyyeah, i'm not on my laptop18:20
seb128which is another "fun" issue18:20
mterryseb128, but cool, good to know it's a known issue anyway18:20
seb128mterry, still hacking on unity-greeter? as much as I love smooth animation I think it's time you stop investing on that to tackle some bugs ;-)18:21
mterryseb128, no, done with that.  I got as far as I cared to with GTK+.  Expect a release tomorrow.  Now I'm fixing up quickly's tutorial.  And then hopefully bugs (though I'll probably give deja-dup bugs a priority unless you've got something you care about)18:23
mterryOh, happy pi day btw!18:23
mterry:)18:24
seb128lol, "pi day"18:24
seb128mterry, we have plenty on the milestoned list ;-)18:24
dobeyhow is 14/03/2012 == pi?18:26
dobeysilly 'mericans18:26
chrisccoulsondobey, right, i thought exactly the same: https://twitter.com/#!/chrisccoulson/status/179955372759584769 ;)18:27
dobeyheh18:28
chrisccoulsoni like Laney's suggestion18:28
dobeyyeah18:28
chrisccoulson22/7 ;)18:28
dobeyalthough, 3.333... isn't really pi either18:28
dobeynot that i oppose the consumption of pie on any day18:29
micahgdobey: your math is off :P18:30
dobeyeh?18:30
micahg22/7 != 3.33318:30
dobeyuh18:31
dobeyah right18:32
dobeyanyway, it's not pi18:32
micahg22/7 =~ 3.14285 which is closer than 3.14 as was pointed out on slashdot18:32
micahgπ =~ 3.1415918:34
dobeyheh, "slashdot"18:34
dobeyi know what pi is18:34
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xclaessejbicha, argh gnome-shell does not start anymore18:36
dobeyand pi number of days into the existence of earth, it was still a big ball of plasma18:36
xclaessejbicha, since the cogl/clutter update18:36
xclaessejbicha, I have a backtrace if you want18:38
xclaessejbicha, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cogl/+bug/95534718:41
ubot2`Launchpad bug 955347 in cogl "Crash in gnome-shell" [Undecided,New]18:41
soaringskyhey, last December it was mentioned that you guys want a dedicated gnome shell distro18:57
soaringskyI made ugr last year, but had to stop due to health issues18:57
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soaringskyseb128: ^^19:18
seb128soaringsky, hi, yes?19:21
seb128soaringsky, talk to jbicha and ricotz maybe, they maintain the gnome-shell stack19:21
seb128soaringsky, it's just lacking a few extra volunteers to work on it and make a proper derivative like xubuntu etc19:22
soaringskyjbicha: ricotz: ^^19:22
soaringskyseb128: yeah, I have those volunteers19:22
seb128great, so wait for jbicha to ping back ;-)19:22
soaringskyseb128: I was almost to that point last year, but I got really sick. now I'm starting to get better and working on ugr again19:23
seb128soaringsky, ok, great, I never understood the ugr stuff, like why doing a separate project rather than an official variant19:24
seb128but if both efforts can be merged that would be great19:24
soaringskyseb128: I couldn't start it out as an official variant. I had to start somewhere19:25
soaringskyseb128: I wrote the initial preview in two days. I never could have became official in that time19:25
seb128well, let's not argue on that ;-)19:26
seb128seems there is enough people interested to do an official variant19:26
seb128so that's great19:26
soaringskyseb128: but my goal has always been to become Gubuntu :)19:26
dobeyisn't ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs supposed to get sourced on log-in so those things env up in the ENV?19:32
seb128dobey, no19:32
ogra_hmpf19:32
seb128dobey, glib has an api giving you those folder which parses the file IIRC19:32
dobeyseb128: so one is just supposed to parse the file?19:33
dobeyi know glib has api19:33
ogra_so who decided to make gcalctool unresizable but also make it wrap the stuff in the top pane ?19:33
dobeybut python doesn't19:33
ogra_that really doesnt fly if you have a long addition to do19:33
jbichaxclaesse: yes I know it's broken, there are several uploads, you can use the gnome3 ppa if you don't want to wait19:34
jbichasoaringsky: well it doesn't start as official, ask Lubuntu about how long that took19:35
seb128jbicha, that's why you use breaks usually ;-)19:35
seb128dobey, the point is that you should be using glib19:35
jbichabut an important first step is getting as much as possible in Ubuntu's official repositories19:35
soaringskyjbicha: ik, thats why I started unofficial19:35
dobeyseb128: unfortunately that's not so much an option for this. the whole cross-platform thing and all19:36
dobeyseb128: so i guess i have to implement parsing that file19:36
xclaessejbicha, so gnome-shell 3.3 is going to precise soon?19:36
seb128dobey, right, if you don't want to use standards libs I guess you have to do things yourself19:36
jbichaseb128: could you approve mutter for 386 & amd64 from the new queue?19:36
soaringskyjbicha: yeah, I have a few minor things like cantarell and shell tweaks. then its just the metapackage19:36
dobeyseb128: what i *want* to do is not relevant :)19:37
jbichasoaringsky: cantarell is in Ubuntu, I think shell tweaks should be a packaged extension if you need them19:37
seb128dobey, glib works fine under other platforms you support, you could use it19:37
seb128dobey, and if some Xsession script was exporting the xdg dir in the environment that wouldn't help you on other platforms anyway19:38
dobeyseb128: feel free to convince people who make that decision. and good luck with that.19:38
dobeyseb128: no, but it would make my life easier on linux19:38
seb128well you have to implement the parsing anyway19:38
dobeybecause os.environ.get() is a lot less code19:38
seb128so you can as well use it accross platforms19:38
soaringskyjbicha: oh, cool. I don't have more than a handful of my own packages. everything else is already in repos19:39
seb128jbicha, done19:39
seb128jbicha, bah, clutter ftbfs on armel19:40
seb128desrt, ^19:40
seb128https://launchpadlibrarian.net/96782888/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.clutter-1.0_1.9.14-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz19:40
seb128"/usr/bin/install: will not overwrite just-created `/build/buildd/clutter-1.0-1.9.14/debian/tmp//usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkgconfig/clutter-glx-1.0.pc' with `clutter-glx-1.0.pc'"19:40
seb128wth?19:40
seb128desrt, that was just a fyi seems you watch the new gnome-shell landing19:41
jbichaseb128: yeah, I did mention it failed but I don't really have the ability to fix arm failures :(19:42
ricotzjbicha, seb128, hi19:43
seb128hey ricotz19:43
soaringskyjbicha: back in the day when gnome-shell was young, we had a lot of version in compatability issues with shell extensions. is that still the case?19:43
xclaessejbicha, I see gnome3 ppa also has totem 3.3, that won't be merged into main I guess?19:43
ricotzi dont have time to look into it, but this is caused by my arm patch to unify the pkg-config file name19:44
jbichasoaringsky: my personal opinion is that we shouldn't bother packaging extensions, but point people to extensions.gnome.org19:44
soaringskyjbicha: ok19:44
jbicharicotz: ah, what happens if we don't use that patch?19:44
ricotzseb128, jbicha, the x11 backend installs a clutter-glx.pc too which should be work around somehow19:44
seb128jbicha, just drop the patch, if there is an issue and some user try to run gnome-shell on arm they will complain19:45
seb128it's not like your armel gnome-shell userbase was big19:45
ricotzjbicha, dropping it might be fine if all rdepens have caught up to use clutter.pc instead of a backend specific one19:45
seb128it's maybe desrt only :p19:46
seb128ricotz, jbicha: if that's not the case you will know soon with rebuilds19:46
jbicharicotz: ok, I'll drop it and if it's needed we can add it again later19:46
ricotzseb128, some rdepends arent really handling gl vs gles219:46
ricotzjbicha, ok19:47
ricotzjbicha, i guess doko will complain if it breaks19:47
soaringskyjbicha: extensions.gnome.org looks great. I'll probably code a quick app that has that site embedded19:48
xclaessejbicha, ok FYI adding the gnome3 ppa and gnome-shell 3.3, the crash is fixed :)19:48
jbichasoaringsky: you should talk to GNOME about that19:48
desrt /usr/bin/install: will not overwrite just-created `/build/buildd/clutter-1.0-1.9.14/debian/tmp//usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/pkgconfig/clutter-glx-1.0.pc' with `clutter-glx-1.0.pc'19:48
jbichaxclaesse: yes, it's a temporary problem in the normal archives19:48
desrtseb128: highly curious19:49
seb128jbicha, next time please make cogl breaks gnome-shell19:49
desrtseb128: looks like a packaging problem more than anything else?19:49
seb128desrt, read scrollback, it's ricotz's fault19:49
soaringskyjbicha: k, thanks. do you know of any way to have extensions installed by default?19:49
seb128desrt, or don't read scrollback19:49
seb128desrt, unping, nothing for you, it's being addressed, just keep the "gnome-shell on its way" info ;-)19:49
* desrt is very very tired19:52
jbichasoaringsky: Debian enables the alternative status menu (aka "don't hide the shut down button") by default19:54
jbichahttp://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnome-shell-extensions.html19:54
soaringskyjbicha: ty19:57
desrtTHOSE BASTARDS19:58
desrthow dare they modify our perfect UI19:58
desrtwho do they think they are?!19:59
chrisccoulsondesrt, perhaps you need to hit them with a trademark stick like some other projects do? That will stop people from modifying your perfect UI ;)20:26
chrisccoulsonactually, i shouldn't put ideas in to peoples heads20:27
dobeychrisccoulson: but then they'll have to ship it as goneme instead of gnome20:32
thumperhi people20:50
thumperI have a really annoying problem that effectively stops me being able to use a vt20:50
thumperI get a bucketload of "iwlwifi 0000:05:00.0: GF was set with SGI:SISO" sent to standard out on the vt20:51
thumperanywhere from 10 to 20 / second20:51
thumpercan't use gdb with that going on20:51
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