[00:06] <AlanBell> night all o/
[07:20] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu Accomplishments Updates - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/14/ubuntu-accomplishments-updates-2/
[09:09] <j0nr> ello folks
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> What an amazing image: https://twitter.com/#!/innocentdrinks/status/179849354767638529/photo/1
[09:10] <j0nr> I currently have my website on a VPS. The people that run the VPS also manage my domain for me... I just pay them once a year a fee and they ensure my domain stays in my name and they point it at my VPS IP.... how can I go about managing this myself?
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> j0nr: Move your domain to a different registrar.
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> One that is independent of you hosting compnay
[09:12] <j0nr> TheOpenSourcerer: So my domain needs a registrar to look after it?
[09:13] <j0nr> and then I use their services/website to tell it what IP address to go to?
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a lot easier than managing your own. Yes to Q2.
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> We have domains with GoDaddy and Easyspace, but any will do - some are better (quicker) at propagating changes or allowing more cnames per A etc. But they all offer a similar service.
[09:14] <j0nr> So I would have to tell my VPS supplier that I don't need them to manage it anymore, and register with a new registrar..
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> There is a process you must go through to move the domain registration. Bit like moving your gas or phone provider but keeping the same number.
[09:15] <diplo> Morning all
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> The one you would like to manage your dns should be able to help you.
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all btw.
[09:15] <j0nr> TheOpenSourcerer: So if I chose say Easyspace would they do the move for me?
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> j0nr: I have no idea. Ask them.
[09:15] <diplo> I'll try my question this  morning again
[09:16] <j0nr> OK, cheers
[09:16] <diplo> Anyone got *ANY* idea why I can't ping localhost/127.0.0.1 ?
[09:16] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: but you should have seen the size of the one that got away
[09:16] <diplo> Web is not helping at all atm
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just in case anyone missed this. It's a totally amazing image: https://twitter.com/#!/innocentdrinks/status/179849354767638529/photo/1/large
[09:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Yeah.
[09:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: Is your localhost responding to pings? Can you ping it's physical port's IP?
[09:18] <diplo> So this is a VPS, I am ssh'd in and when trying to ping localhost or 127.0.0.1 it fails, but ping6 ::1 works
[09:18] <diplo> So the lo interface is up
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> ifconfig?
[09:19] <diplo> Shows that there has been traffic to lo
[09:19] <diplo> 1.5mb, but traffic all the same
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> How about: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all ?
[09:20] <diplo> Set to 1
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> echo 0 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> That should fix it.
[09:21]  * diplo smooches TheOpenSourcerer !!!! Or maybe just a beer 
[09:21] <MartijnVdS> why would they set it to 1 though
[09:21] <diplo> I tried that last night
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Dunno.
[09:21] <diplo> But typed something wrong I guess
[09:21] <diplo> So could have been me MartijnVdS
[09:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Check /etc/sysctl.conf
[09:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> What OS is the VPS?
[09:22] <diplo> I was in a state of extremem tiredness last night
[09:22] <diplo> 10.04
[09:22] <diplo> #net.ipv4.icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts = 1
[09:23] <diplo> #net.ipv4.icmp_ignore_bogus_error_responses = 1
[09:23] <diplo> ignore_all isn't in there ?
[09:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> In sysctl.d/ somewhere?
[09:23] <diplo> kk, looking
[09:24] <daubers> Morning
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> grep around _all_ of /etc.. it might be a VPS-hoster custom init script
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Or maybe you have some other rule somewhere?
[09:24] <diplo> Nope for sysctl, trying /etc now
[09:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> what MartijnVdS says
[09:24] <diplo> Clean install pretty much but will do
[09:25] <diplo> I reckon it may be me guys, It wasn't working ( maybe iptables ) and i tried some icmp echo stuff and it didn't fix it, maybe i added the wrong entry.
[09:25] <diplo> I knew I should have quit earlier
[09:25] <diplo> ignore_all isn't to be found in any files in /etc
[09:26] <diplo> So I'd say i foobared it before fixing another issue
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> kernel boot parameter ( /proc/cmdline )
[09:26]  * diplo takes the blame
[09:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> You haven't got Plesk or CPanel on it at all have you?
[09:26] <diplo> root=LABEL=root ro console=hvc0
[09:26] <diplo> nah, plain old vps
[09:26] <diplo> Bitfolk one
[09:27] <JamesTait> Happy Pi Day! :D
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sounds like it was you then. My Bitfolk VPS is set to 0
[09:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ubuntu 10.04.4 LTS
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: π
[09:29] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Since we don't format dates that way in the UK, I considered calling it American Pi Day....
[09:29]  * TheOpenSourcerer goes for moar coffee.
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Too bad April only has 30 days.. 31-4 would work
[09:30] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, are you  looking at upgrading to 12.04 ?
[09:30] <AlanBell> nah, it is just me that upgrades customer production machines to 12.04
[09:31] <MartijnVdS> \m/ AlanBell  :)
[09:31] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Yeah.  I think 22/7 worked out pretty close....
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: Not-quite-pi-day
[09:32] <JamesTait> MartijnVdS: Something like that, yes. :D
[09:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: Not yet. That box will eol in May anyway I think.
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: ah, getting one of the new Intel Ivy Bridge chips :)
[09:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Not really - we bought that VPS on a 2yr deal for a customer. It is no longer needed. We are using h/w from Hetzner now that we virtualise ourselves.
[09:39] <diplo> This is really an experiment for  me / work I guess
[09:41] <DJones> AlanBell: Do you mind a pm to pick your brains?
[09:41] <AlanBell> DJones: that sounds more exciting than scanning bank statements, so sure
[09:41] <hoover> good morning
[09:42] <jpds> AlanBell: Surely, you can just print them to PDF from online banking?
[09:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting graph.. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1072
[09:46] <diplo> heh I just read that
[09:46] <diplo> Trying to talk my company into using Ubuntu server
[09:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> RPM does suck.
[09:47] <diplo> Been RH/CentOS for years
[09:47] <diplo> It really really does!
[09:47] <diplo> Boss doesn't mind the change, not so sure on the others
[09:47] <diplo> :(
[10:07] <hoover> I've found rpm no worse than apt... hey, look, a package war ;-)
[10:07] <hoover> Esp. with the existence of yum.
[10:07] <diplo> Yum sucks so badly though
[10:07] <diplo> It really does
[10:07] <hoover> restating your opinion doesn't make it more true though ;-)
[10:07]  * hoover thinks both suck
[10:08] <diplo> Also having to use third party repos for basic packages is hard work as well
[10:08] <hoover> apt and yum, that is.
[10:08] <hoover> diplo: I guess it depends on your needs
[10:08] <diplo> Didn't restate, I said RPM's sucked before
[10:08] <diplo> yum sucked after :)
[10:08] <hoover> hehe
[10:08] <hoover> Nothing beats pkg-config ;-)
[10:09] <hoover> j/k
[10:09] <diplo> My biggest issue is that other people state what they want to use but I end up being the one maintaining / fixing it.
[10:10] <hoover> Yep, that's always quite a difficult situation to be in.
[10:10] <christel> good morning -uk
[10:10] <hoover> Mornin christel
[10:10] <hoover> diplo: maybe you should tell them to... go away ;-)
[10:11] <diplo> I'm being diplomatic, close to swapping them over
[10:11] <diplo> morning christel
[10:13] <gord> i'm pretty sure that everything that is not what i use is the worst thing in the world
[10:14] <diplo> :)
[10:25] <DJones> Can anybody identify what make this "e-reader" is http://www.mightydeals.co.uk/deals/national/Gadgets/7-Inch-E-Book-Reader-with-16GB-memory-49/471?ldid=471&a=2 My wife was looking at it (I know the deal says its ended) but I can't find anything to say what make it is
[10:25] <DJones> I'm guessing its a far east copy/clone/own brand
[10:28] <gord> DJones, "Video formats: WMV, RM, AVI, RMVB, 3GP, FLV, MP4, DAT, VOB, MPEG, MKV" - almost certainly some nameless chinese hardware
[10:30] <DJones> My wife was looking at it as an ebook reader, but I think I would rather get a kobo where I know the name & brand for a little bit extra
[10:30] <gord> that ebook reader is probably not even eink tbh
[10:30] <gord> so about an hour battery life
[10:33] <DJones> I was looking at that, I would rather she gets the basic kobo, that says 10 days battery life, at her reading speed, that'll last about 6 months
[10:33] <gord> well, ten days ;) it'll still drain power in its standby state
[10:34] <DJones> :)
[10:34] <gord> i get a month or so out of my kindle before i have to charge it when i'm not actively using it
[10:34] <gord> but boasting large battery life if you don't use it isn't really a good selling point, that just means you aren't using it ;)
[10:34] <DJones> I read about 1-2 hours a day with my kobo, since christmas I've had to charge it 3 times
[10:35] <DJones> About once a month
[10:58] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:20] <oimon> guys, is there a fix released for the MS RDP issue or we hae to wait till tuesday?
[11:23] <davmor2> morning all
[11:23] <davmor2> czajkowski: PROD!
[11:25] <czajkowski> davmor2: HUGS
[11:33] <davmor2> czajkowski: thanks I could do with that this week :)
[11:51] <AlanBell> off to London again
[11:53] <diplo> What a life!
[11:53] <diplo> :)
[11:55] <gord> i wonder what kind of boat he will be on this time!
[11:56] <gord> its like rosie and jim, but with alan and alan
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> Ship of the line?
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> dear launchpad.. FASTER PLEASE
[11:58] <popey> oimon: bug number?
[11:58] <oimon> popey CVE-2012-0002
[11:59] <oimon> major RDP issue with MS terminal server affecting all windows versions
[11:59] <popey> oh, thought you meant it was an ubuntu issue
[11:59] <popey> meh
[11:59] <MartijnVdS> Anyone seeing this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/954952
[12:00] <gord> MartijnVdS, scrolling seems broken everywhere atm
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> gord: scrolling works fine.. but it _also_ does something else
[12:00] <gord> ah
[12:01] <oimon> popey, ubuntu do patch tuesday ? :P
[12:01] <popey> we do patch *day
[12:01] <popey> which matches tuesday ☺
[12:02] <oimon> it annoys me that there's an epic fail waiting to happen but no patch seems available until tuesday
[12:02] <oimon> even though it's probably ready
[12:02] <popey> google says there's a fix
[14:12] <davmor2> AlanBell: Do you know which is the best medium to contact the A11y team on?
[14:24] <oimon> is there an equivalent to the sleep  command for DOS?
[14:26] <popey> yeah, i used to use one
[14:26] <popey> "back in the day"
[14:26] <popey> i probably got it from the windows sdk tho
[14:26] <directhex> usually people use pause, which is "press any key"
[14:26] <directhex> usual method is to abuse ping.
[14:27] <directhex> 'PING 1.1.1.1 -n 1 -w 1000 >NUL' adds a 1 second delay, assumign 1.1.1.1 doesn't route
[14:27] <oimon> heh
[14:29] <shauno> apparently the 'windows 2003 resource kit' contains a sleep command.  which is possibly even more awkward than just abusing a workaround
[14:29] <directhex> haha, even better
[14:29] <directhex> REM | CHOICE /C:AB /T:A,1 > NUL
[14:29] <directhex> will silently do a multi-select menu, with 1 second timeout
[14:30] <oimon> it seems that the commands are performed sequentially (i.e. the scp doesn't happen until the net stop is completed), so i'll b e OK
[14:30] <oimon> using pause at the end  though
[14:32] <kvarley> How can I enable Ctrl + F4 to close tabs in XUbuntu?
[15:48] <AlanBell> davmor2: via the mailing list to reach a bunch of users, or find themuso in #ubuntu-accessibility
[15:51] <davmor2> AlanBell: ta
[15:58] <oimon> small packet of maryland cookies is about £1.50 in sainsburys..2 large packets for 99p in the 99p shop :D
[16:01] <JGJones> Afternoon - quick question...what's the name of the time/date applet that goes in the upper right corner and how could I reenable it in Unity as it have disappeared.
[16:01] <gord> JGJones, apt-get install indicator-datetime
[16:03] <JGJones> Ah that's it, thanks gord
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> my panel-services keep crashing
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> so no applets for me :(
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> [53520.399133] unity-panel-ser[10459]: segfault at 20 ip 00007f43deeadb92 sp 00007fff05346228 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3120.0[7f43dee33000+f2000]
[16:38] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: they hate you, hate them back it works for me
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: but I love the clock in the top corner
[16:39] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: and that's why it gets to walk all over you ;)
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> :|
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: so you say I still use Ubuntu/Unity because of Stockholm syndrome?
[16:40] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: No you use Ubuntu cause you can't live without it honest gov'nor :D
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: the alternatives are worse, you mean ;)
[16:41] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: I was being polite :)
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> Woo, windmills: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/6832490192/sizes/o/in/photostream/
[17:15] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: New and old ones together neat
[17:33] <meet> any delay function for c++ in ubuntu? or how to include dos.h?
[17:34] <MartijnVdS> meet: It's just standard C++, and you have the GNU libc
[17:35] <meet> martijnvds so can i directly use like delay(100) etc?
[17:35] <MartijnVdS> meet: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4184468/sleep-for-milliseconds
[17:43] <gord> why are so many people asking about sleep today...
[17:43] <gord> sleep and dos...
[17:44] <meet> gord btw i am getting some xinitthread error. trying a simple moving circle project. what could be  the problem?
[17:45] <davmor2> gord: sleep is obvious, they are tired and as for dos they want to play the original Dune game
[17:45] <gord> you are calling xinitthread after an xlib call
[17:45] <gord> or your platform does not support threads
[17:45] <meet> gord what can i do?
[17:46] <gord> call xinitthread before your other xlib calls?
[17:47] <meet> could you please elaborate? i am new to this whole thing a learning c at present.. do i have to include the function in the program?
[17:48] <gord> something you are calling is calling xinitthread later than it should be, what that call is, i have no idea, i suggest you read the documentation on the methods/functions you are calling to see if any of them state that you should call them early
[17:49] <meet> btw whta is xinitthread required for?
[17:49] <gord> lots of things, something you are using i would assume
[17:52]  * czajkowski hugs davmor2 how ya doing?
[17:54] <meet> gord how can i do find that out which function is using xinitthread
[17:54] <gord> meet, read the documentation of the functions you are using
[17:55] <meet> gord, i think everytime i use the for loop in c, i am getting that error
[17:56] <gord> then it will be some method you call in the for loop
[17:57] <meet> gord, there is only one circle function
[17:58] <gord> ubuntu really needs a shutdown, but wait for this song to finish first, mode
[17:58] <meet> gord, i think its the usleep function
[17:59] <gord> it isn't
[18:01] <meet> ok it ran properly now :) but if at all the problem persists, where should i call the xinitthread function?
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> meet: read its documentation, it will tell you
[18:02] <meet> ok thanks :)
[18:03]  * gord afks
[19:39] <popey> choo choo
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> popey: you're not a train.
[19:40] <popey> i am :)_
[19:40] <popey> 19:39 from waterloo ☺
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A_ccea_hJs
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Trains from Gatwick to London end up in Victoria right?
[19:46] <davmor2> popey: == sl
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: sl -l
[19:49] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: sl -al if popey is the train I think you'll find
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.hms.xconstruction
[19:52] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/oneiric/bcs/
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: same thing really :)
[19:53] <christel> ,3.
[19:53] <christel> 3
[19:53] <christel> sorry about that, toddler attack
[19:54] <Pendulum> christel: is that like a kitten attack, but without the claws?
[19:54] <davmor2> christel: No excuses at that tender age toddler should be programming ;)
[19:54] <christel> Pendulum: indeed!
[19:54] <christel> davmor2: hehe
[19:55] <davmor2> Pendulum: I don't know kids finger nails can be lethal :)
[20:09] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[20:11]  * davmor2 hugs czajkowski whether she likes it or not
[20:11] <czajkowski> awwww
[20:12] <czajkowski> such a softie
[20:41] <davmor2> sometimes I feel like sl -a other time I feel like sl -al but on the whole I feel like sl
[21:08] <popey> Ebenink
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> hellos popey
[21:28] <Myrtti> hm, what tool could I use to try to map some wireless problems? On my Android phone the connection drops every two minutes or so, and my laptop seems to have some connection lag, not quite as bad as my phone where for example the SSH connection goes altogether, but bad enough to make using irssi via ssh painful.
[21:29] <Myrtti> I suspect the connection drops on the Ubuntu laptop as well, the ssh just recovers better than connectbot does on android
[21:30] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: really low-level: wi-spy
[21:30] <dwatkins> Myrtti: I assume you've made certain there's no IP address conflict mentioned in the system logs etc.
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: higher level: check /var/log/syslog
[21:31] <HazRPG> Myrtti: could also try WiFi Analyse on the android
[21:31] <dwatkins> On Android, I use this: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.farproc.wifi.analyzer&hl=en
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins++ -- that's a great tool
[21:31] <dwatkins> :)
[21:31] <HazRPG> dwatkins: jink ^_^
[21:31] <dwatkins> HazRPG: hehe
[21:31] <Myrtti> yeah I use that too but so far I've used it mainly to choose a non-used channel
[21:32] <HazRPG> s/jink/jynx/* even
[21:32] <Myrtti> I'll have a look, thanks for suggestions
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: \o
[21:32] <Myrtti> this is a bit annoying and it's  been annoying me since fiancé got a new router
[21:32] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: \o hey-yo!
[21:33] <dwatkins> Myrtti: do you have the problem only via wifi?
[21:33] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: the router could be a DOA / almost-DOA / pining for the fjords
[21:33] <HazRPG> Myrtti: What router did he get?
[21:34] <dwatkins> A friend of mine lives in an apartment building where someone has 1024 SSIDs being transmitted from their router.
[21:34] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: annoying
[21:34] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: I imagine so, yes
[21:35] <Myrtti> HazRPG: Belkin Gigabit something, Belkin play max
[21:37] <Myrtti> I have to say my experience with Belkin Wireless devices has made an addition to the makes of network gear I will not purchase again.
[21:37] <dsample> Belkin wasn't my preference, it was just one of the only ones with gigabit
[21:37] <Myrtti> and wohey, the devil appears when he's spoken about
[21:37] <Myrtti> :-P
[21:38] <HazRPG> Myrtti: bah, hate belkins
[21:38] <Myrtti> yeah, so do I, now.
[21:39] <dwatkins> Myrtti: do you have another router you could swap-out to make certain the router is at fault?
[21:39] <dsample> I've always considered Belkin as a cheap quality brand, but nowadays they're not cheap priced
[21:40] <HazRPG> dsample: agreed
[21:40] <dsample> We have another router, a Linksys one, but the crap wifi on that was the reason we got the new one
[21:41] <HazRPG> dsample: best way that I do it for gigabit ... think of it this way, your internet isn't going to be a gigabit, so why have a router do that job when a switch can do that for you...
[21:42] <dsample> I know it's not, I suggested multiple boxes
[21:42] <Myrtti> aw
[21:42] <HazRPG> so I tend to do the whole "good router, don't care much for specs as long as its configs is nice and varied so I can sit and tweak to my hearts content" and then a gigabit switch
[21:42] <dsample> modem+AP
[21:42] <Myrtti> I'm not taking the blame for this
[21:42] <Myrtti> darnit.
[21:43] <dwatkins> I have a gigabit switch between my media devices, the internet isn't anywhere near that fast, so I don't plug anything fast into the router directly.
[21:43]  * MartijnVdS 's whole house is gbit
[21:44] <MartijnVdS> in preparation of the 500/500 fibre that's coming (in july!!)
[21:44] <dsample> The annoying thing with doing that though is it was pretty hard to find an AP, seemed near impossible to find an N+ AP with gigabit (although it would be stupid for an N+ AP not to have gigabit)
[21:44] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: whatever the speed of your connectm, NASA will still probably be one of the few sites which might come close to taking full advantage ;)
[21:45] <dsample> the option seemed to be to get a 'cable' router to connect to the modem, but they're as bad as the ADSL routers
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: Uploading to youtube/flickr will be my main use of the upstream bit
[21:45] <dsample> 500/500 fibre... WTF do you live... I want to move?
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: maybe backups of my NAS (to an identical system at my parents)
[21:45] <MartijnVdS> dsample: Netherlands :)
[21:46] <dsample> oh
[21:46] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: ah, that is a good reason to have a fast pipe, if your backup is on the same network segment :)
[21:46] <dsample> well that's a bit far, was hoping within 100 miles
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it's better than the 1mbit up I have now anyway
[21:46] <HazRPG> dwatkins: that's what I do ^_^
[21:47] <dwatkins> HazRPG: sorry, what do you do?
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> 500/500 kilobit/second :P
[21:48] <dwatkins> meh, I have a T1 at work ;)
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I have.. the internet.. at work
[21:48] <dwatkins> hehe
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: (working at an ISP)
[21:48] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: 500/500 o.O!
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> HazRPG: yes, I know!
[21:48] <HazRPG> MartijnVdS: Dude... I seriously gotta move to the NL.
[21:49] <dwatkins> hmm, perhaps it's a T3, it's whatever gives us about 50 MBit
[21:49] <MartijnVdS> Maybe 100/100 at first, but there's an upgrade to 500/500 "before the end of 2012"
[21:50] <MartijnVdS> too bad the routers we sell/give to customers don't cope with 500/500 :)
[21:53] <dsample> Just brought up the thinkbroadband 'quality monitor' graph for our connection
[21:53] <dsample> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ping/share/c2aee9ff21f533ce58ddc64f698e986f-14-03-2012.html
[21:53] <dsample> you can see when we got home this evening
[21:55] <dsample> now to see if the Belkin tools give anything similar for connected machines... doubt it
[22:03] <dwatkins> http://hobbes.dyndns.org/vnstat/ is handy
[22:07] <popey> it is!
[22:07] <popey> http://popey.com/bandwidth/
[22:12] <dwatkins> nifty, popey - what are the stats gathered with?
[22:13] <dwatkins> i.e. does it just grab the tx/rx from the ifconfig output?
[22:13] <dwatkins> oh right, it's got vnstat on the back-end, handy
[22:17] <popey> whats yours done with?
[22:20] <dwatkins> popey: vnstat generates three PNG files each time it updates, I just put them onto a HTML page, as inspired by someone on #ubuntu-offtopic, iirc
[22:21] <dwatkins> at least I think that's what it does, I can never find the relevant part of the config
[22:22] <HazRPG> popey: yeah, I think its just a standard output from vnstat
[22:22] <HazRPG> (or one of)
[22:23] <HazRPG> popey: http://humdi.net/vnstat/coloredit/
[22:27] <Myrtti> http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/6983139433/ :-| me pinging 192.168.0.1
[22:28] <popey> crud
[22:29] <popey> left my thinkpad charger at millbank
[22:29] <dwatkins> Myrtti: some friends of mine discovered that a faulty powersupply (on a scanner) was causing EMF interference and messing up their router, have you considered turning everything non-essential off and powering things up one-by-one?
[22:31] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: I've come across that
[22:32] <gordonjcp> certain cheap crappy switched-mode PSUs that have RFI extending well out beyond the GHz range
[22:33] <dwatkins> that might explain the cyclical nature of Myrtti's problem, if it's a combination of frequencies building up and reducing down again over several seconds
[22:35] <Myrtti> hm
[22:36] <dsample> dwatkins: oh eck, that sounds a bit hard to do... there's about a dozen plugs around the back of the TV
[22:36] <dsample> although I think only the router and printer are turned on
[22:36] <dwatkins> dsample: I know the feeling, if I had to do it, I'd just power off everything after cleanly shutting down the linux box
[22:37] <Myrtti> the only linux box is my Viglen, the res is collection of gaming consoles and a fruit box.
[22:37] <dwatkins> i.e. pull the plug on the lot
[22:38] <dwatkins> I hear Forrest Gump invested in some fruit company.
[22:41] <Myrtti> yeah, that one.
[22:41] <Myrtti> I might just do that tomorrow on a particularly dark moment. Pull the plugs, that is.
[22:42] <dwatkins> I can't guarantee it will allow you to fix the problem, but at least you'll be able to say whether the other devices are interfering (one way or another)
[22:51] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: I still have some recordings of interference I was logging from a neighbour's house
[22:51] <gordonjcp> never did find out what it was, they moved out
[22:51] <gordonjcp> but it was a pulsing interference, about 1 second on, 1 second off, for most of the day, and absolutely flat from about 500kHz to 250MHz
[23:01] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: I hear plasma TVs can kill an ADSL connection
[23:02] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: wouldn't be surprised
[23:02] <dwatkins> gordonjcp: was this interference on 24 hours a day?
[23:02] <gordonjcp> those ethernet-over-mains adaptors are a bit horrible too
[23:03] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: no, strangely enough it wasn't but it only seemed to stop between about 2am and 6am
[23:03] <dwatkins> yeah, I must admit to having a pair of those, although I should probably have gotten a wifi extender instead.
[23:03] <gordonjcp> some are okay, but many of them interfere quite badly with radio
[23:03] <gordonjcp> I did discover that a neighbour of mine had a pair that seemed to have big significant peaks in their noise right in the middle of all the HF amateur bands
[23:04] <gordonjcp> funny thing though
[23:04] <dwatkins> what do you use to measure this interference?
[23:04] <gordonjcp> spectrum analyser and a couple of test receivers
[23:04] <gordonjcp> if I fired up on 7.039MHz for some PSK31 for a while, the interference went away
[23:04] <gordonjcp> almost like they'd given up trying to get the bastards to work and turned them off... ;-)
[23:06] <dwatkins> wow, they televised Dirk Gently :D
[23:06] <dwatkins> I wonder if you actually overloaded a circuit in something that just happened to resonate at that frequency, like my friend's power supply
[23:07] <dwatkins> anyhoo, it's bedtime here in deepest Edinburgh, later folks :)
[23:08] <gordonjcp> dwatkins: well I figure if their mains wiring was working as a good enough aerial to transmit (illegally), it would receive just as well too
[23:08] <gordonjcp> but rather than a piddly little transformer the size of a tangerine and some mismatched mains cable, I can chuck 100W out into a properly resonant aerial
[23:51] <shockham> rekong