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[00:24] <ajmitch> thomi: did you see if anything else needed to be grabbed from the unity process before I kill it? it's gone even weirder now ;)
[00:25] <thomi> ajmitch: may as well kill it
[00:26] <ajmitch> thomi: http://vps.ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/WeirdShit.png
[00:27] <thomi> yeah.
[00:27] <thomi> that's messed up
[00:27] <ajmitch> unity --replace gets rid of the white bar, but doesn't fix the icon placement
[00:28] <thumper> ajmitch: what version are you using?
[00:28] <ajmitch> currently have 5.4.0-0ubutnu2 installed
[00:28] <thumper> I used to see the icon mashing on oneiric
[00:28] <thumper> not seen it on precise
[00:28] <ajmitch> thumper: yeah, I saw the same on natty & oneiric, this is the first time it's happened on precise
[00:28] <thumper> also, I notice you have the same screen corruption as jason warner
[00:29] <ajmitch> glad I'm not the only one :)
[00:29] <thumper> I'll get someone to talk to you about that shortly
[00:29] <ajmitch> ok
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[00:40] <thumper> ajmitch: what is that indicator that draws the graphs?
[00:40] <ajmitch> system load indicator, let me get the package name
[00:40] <ajmitch> indicator-multiload
[00:41] <thumper> ajmitch: can I get you to disable it and see if it removes your white visual glitch?
[00:42] <ajmitch> thumper: sorry, but I did 'unity --replace' about 15 minutes ago & it killed the white visual glitch
[00:42] <mhall119> where does unity keep it's icon cache?
[00:43] <thumper> mhall119: what do you mean?
[00:43] <thumper> ajmitch: next time it happens, can I get you to try to disable the indicator?
[00:43] <thumper> ajmitch: also, how often does it occur?
[00:43] <mhall119> thumper: I'm trying to use a different icon for alt-tab switching
[00:43] <ajmitch> thumper: sure, this is the first time I've seen it happen
[00:43] <thumper> ajmitch: and does the visual glitch change?
[00:43] <snadge> i see display corruption on unity2d xorg-edgers :P its not bad tho just white line where the tabs are in firefox
[00:43] <thumper> mhall119: what do you mean?
[00:44] <ajmitch> white visual glitch also appeared on each desktop, but disappeared while changing desktop
[00:44] <snadge> ive purged edgers now, just wanted to test the new radeon driver.. and im back on failgrx
[00:44] <mhall119> thumper: so calibre uses a 107x107 icon, but ships with a 512x512 image by a different name
[00:44] <mhall119> I'm trying to get it to use the bigger one
[00:44] <ajmitch> clicking on it with xwininfo showed the window behind it, fwiw
[00:44] <thumper> mhall119: I think it gets the info from the desktop file
[00:45] <snadge> linsux, great for servers, fail for desktops since 1991 :P
[00:45] <mhall119> thumper: right, but it caches it somewhere when it needs to scale it,right?
[00:45] <thumper> mhall119: in memory, sure
[00:45] <thumper> mhall119: I think you'd need to restart unity if you changed the image
[00:45]  * thumper takes away snadge's geek card
[00:46] <snadge> hey ive been using it as a desktop pretty much for that long
[00:46]  * thumper hands snadge a pedant card instead
[00:47] <snadge> i expect graphical glitches and graphics driver failures, id be shocked if they didnt exist ;)
[00:47] <thumper> a gold one for 20 years service
[00:49] <snadge> im thinking of just surrendering and getting a failvidia card, but im saved by extreme laziness and apathy
[00:51] <snadge> plus maybe the next catalyst will work properly. *cough*
[00:53] <snadge> ive been saying that for the past 2 years, two steps forward, one step back.. imroves, just enough to give you a false sense of hope ;) then a new version of xorg or compiz etc will cause it to fail in a different way.. and evryone will point the finger at everyone else
[00:54] <snadge> its a driver problem.. its an xorg problem.. its a compiz problem.. i dont care whos problem it is, just effing fix it already :P
[01:06] <jalcine> snadge: lol
[01:07] <snadge> if only we could get more people to care about linux on the desktop
[01:07] <snadge> its a catch 22, people dont use it because of crap like that AND because applications dev wont write apps for it BECAUSE people dont use it
[01:10] <snadge> bugs dont get fixed because not enough people care, which only serves to make the problem worse :/
[01:16] <jalcine> snadge: woah, that's a negative.
[01:16] <jalcine> the reason why bugs don't get fixed vary greatly.
[01:16] <jalcine> someone could be having a marriage
[01:16] <jalcine> or isn't able to solve the problem
[01:16] <jalcine> or the people who used to maintain that part of the code is currently giving their kid the birds and the bee's talk.
[01:17] <jalcine> not caring, if it does happen, is so small, it's negligible.
[01:26] <snadge> well
[01:27] <snadge> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/770283
[01:27] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 770283 in fglrx-installer (Ubuntu) "[fglrx]title bar does not update on non-maximized windows" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[01:28] <snadge> thats coming up to 1 year now
[01:28] <snadge> which is unacceptable
[01:29] <snadge> its a terrible bug which destroys useability, makes it practically unuseable
[01:31] <snadge> the fact that only 71 people have marked it as affecting them, is embarassing
[01:32] <snadge> should be thousands of people, at least
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[03:55] <iheartubuntu> hi all. i have a question about the app launcher. can anyone help real quick?
[03:57] <iheartubuntu> on one computer i can see my unread messages on the thunderbird icon, but another computer i cant. both are 11.10... one is 32 bit, the other is 64 bit.
[08:05] <mhr3> bschaefer, ping?
[08:10] <angeloc> mhr3: i have a question, can I take advantage of your kindness?
[08:25] <mhr3> angeloc, shoot
[08:26] <angeloc> mhr3: i'm intrested in writing the gnome part for bug 950136, i've already done some work
[08:26] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 950136 in unity-2d "multimonitor, launcher: Provide an option to display either a single launcher or a launcher on each display in a multi-monitor environment" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/950136
[08:27] <angeloc> mhr3: it's not in progress, but undecided, what i have to do? ca i continue and assign bug to myself?
[08:28] <mhr3> angeloc, hmm, if it's about changes to control center, try pinging seb128 about it
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[08:28] <mhr3> he should be around in an hour or so
[08:29] <angeloc> mhr3: ok! you are awesome!
[08:30] <mhr3> didrocks, or perhaps you know the status there? ^^
[08:31] <didrocks> I'm doing it
[08:31] <didrocks> already analyzed it, and know how to deal with it :)
[08:31] <didrocks> more complicated than what you can think because, there is 2d, 3d, both or not using the same keys
[08:32] <didrocks> some drawing as well
[08:32] <didrocks> (and short timeline has to be delivered next Monday)
[08:33] <angeloc> didrocks, ok, it was really an interesting bug to solve!
[08:33] <didrocks> angeloc: yeah, sorry about it, but it's kind of complex and short time delivery :)
[08:34] <angeloc> didrocks, i understand, april is near ...
[08:34] <didrocks> angeloc: right :)
[08:51] <AlanBell> gord: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/14/%23ubuntu-accessibility.html
[08:53] <mhr3> davidcalle, no support for artwork? :/
[08:54] <mhr3> nothing adding albums to the results?
[08:55] <smb> didrocks, It seems the latest update stole my ability to switch apps. The weird things is that in settings->keyboard->shortcuts->navigation->Switch applications it is set to alt-tab, but in /apps/compiz-1/plugins/unityshell/screen0/options/alt_tab_next_window it is disabled...
[08:56] <davidcalle> mhr3, only artwork embedded in files. There is this Python I wasn't able to port to get art : http://paste.ubuntu.com/882947/
[08:56] <didrocks> smb: this key is not used for that
[08:56] <didrocks> smb: what do you mean by "stole my ability to switch apps?"
[08:56] <didrocks> alt-tab doesn't appear?
[08:57] <smb> didrocks, That alt-tab does not bring up the application switcher for me anymore
[08:57] <didrocks> smb: do you have the HUD set to "alt"
[08:57] <didrocks> ?
[08:57] <didrocks> or did you change it?
[08:57] <davidcalle> mhr3 and albums need tree index to be implemented first, as it needs results from tracks having the same Album field.
[08:57] <smb> didrocks, No, I did disable it when it was driving me mental. Maybe you remember
[08:58] <didrocks> smb: so you disabled it?
[08:58] <didrocks> smb: that's a known issue, you have to set it back to alt for alt-tab to work
[08:58] <didrocks> smb: you don't have anymore the "tap" issue, it's fixed in 5.6
[08:58]  * smb wibbles
[09:00] <smb> didrocks, Ok, it works. Is there a bug about that already to subscribe?
[09:01] <didrocks> smb: bug #
[09:01] <didrocks> grr
[09:01] <didrocks> smb: bug #953855
[09:01] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 953855 in unity (Ubuntu) "Alt-combinations (Alt+Tab, Alt+F2) don't work if "Key to show HUD" is disabled or not set to <Alt>" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953855
[09:01] <smb> didrocks, Thanks
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[13:22] <glosoli> http://youtu.be/ltE_ekc8kE8 video which makes sense for every daily users, and all these Unity Design team people should see it.
[13:22] <glosoli> Of how daily user gets his first expierence with Ubuntu
[13:32] <kenvandine> mhr3, is there  a way to check if a specific ModelIter is in a model before using it?
[13:32] <kenvandine> mhr3, or should i just wrap it with a try/catch?
[13:46] <didrocks> greyback|lunch: when you have some time, can you please add https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/929506 to 5.8 release target?
[13:46] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 929506 in unity-2d "lenses are loaded on start, should be lazy loaded" [High,Confirmed]
[13:49] <mhr3> kenvandine, not really, you should make sure you dont keep invalid ModelIters around - the only way to check it is by iterating through the whole model and comparing if any of the iters is the one you have
[13:49] <didrocks> greyback|lunch: same for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/891648
[13:49] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 891648 in unity-2d (Ubuntu) "Dash - update Dash keyboard shortcuts so the 'CTRL + TAB' switches between Lenses and 'TAB' by itself moves the focus between categories " [High,Confirmed]
[13:50] <kenvandine> mhr3, ok, i think just a try/catch will do then
[13:50] <kenvandine> thx
[13:51] <mhr3> kenvandine, an invalid modeliter can cause a crash, try catch is not good enough
[13:52] <kenvandine> ugh
[13:53] <mhr3> kenvandine, but you can just connect to row-removed and if you see an iter you saved somewhere, get rid of it
[13:54] <kenvandine> mhr3, ok
[13:55] <ubuntuuser2344> hello
[13:55] <ubuntuuser2344> is anyone there
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[13:56] <ubuntuuser2344> I was wondering in what version of ubuntu did they start using unity?
[13:57] <ubuntuuser2344> because i am not a big fan of using betas
[13:57] <greyback> didrocks: done & done
[13:57] <didrocks> greyback: thanks!
[13:58] <ubuntuuser2344> is antone there
[13:58] <ubuntuuser2344> is anyone there
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[14:56] <angeloc> i have this error compiling unity from trunk, i have previously succesfully compiled it, i compiled nux from source also
[14:56] <angeloc> error: ‘reset_logging’ is not a member of ‘nux::logging’
[14:56] <angeloc> what's i'm doing wrong?
[15:11] <gord> angeloc, sounds like you don't have the latest nux trunk installed
[15:11] <gord> angeloc, or unity isn't picking up the latest nux if you do have it installed
[15:12] <angeloc> gord: i pulled it right now, make make install
[15:12] <angeloc> gord: investigating ...
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[15:16] <mhall119> mhr3: what signal should I listen to if I want to perform a search when a lens is opened, but not search string has been entered?
[15:17] <davidcalle> mhall119, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-lens-videos/unity-lens-videos/trunk/revision/50
[15:18] <mhall119> davidcalle: thanks, I  don't see that on the API docs
[15:18] <mhr3> mhall119, you get search_changed for empty searches as well
[15:19] <mhall119> mhr3: ah, ok
[15:20] <mhr3> you shouldn't be really doing that ^^, but depends on your use case
[15:20] <mhall119> mhr3: also, I'm using hyphens in my signal names, but the API show underscores, are they both correct?
[15:21] <mhall119> mhr3: shouldn't be doing what?
[15:26] <mhr3> hyphens are usually more correct, but in most cases both should work
[15:26] <mhr3> some languages require underscores cause hyphen could be minus operator in some contexts :)
[16:02] <Andy80> hi all
[16:07] <htorque> sbte: hi! about bug 930291 - this has been fixed in the meantime, do you need to un-assign yourself from it? status → fix released?
[16:07] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 930291 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "indicator-application-service leaking memory (~10 MiB/h)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/930291
[16:09] <mhall119> davidcalle: ping
[16:09] <davidcalle> mhall119, pong
[16:10] <mhall119> davidcalle: the ARB is asking for any lenses/scopes ready for Oneiric to be submitted now
[16:10] <davidcalle> mhall119, Oneiric?
[16:10] <mhall119> with the exception of the adult and piratebay ones
[16:11] <mhall119> davidcalle: yeah,  they want to get all the ones made for 11.10/unity 4 into the extras archive for that release before starting on the Precise ones
[16:11] <davidcalle> mhall119, ok
[16:12] <sbte> htorque, done that
[16:12] <sbte> great that it's fixed now
[16:13] <davidcalle> mhall119, I'll submit the Photos one tonight or tomorrow. With Flickr + Shotwell.
[16:13] <htorque> sbte: yeah, 10mb/h was heavy. :-)
[16:13] <mhall119> davidcalle: awesome, thanks
[16:14] <mhr3> angeloc, if you're still looking for something https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-lens-files/+bug/737143 looks very much like something you worked on
[16:14] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 737143 in unity-2d "Can't open nautilus Bookmarks which connect to server from files place" [High,Confirmed]
[16:14] <angeloc> mhr3: great!
[16:15] <angeloc> mhr3:wow, looks intresting!
[16:15] <MCR> Hi. :) Currently Unity fails to install on Precise because the version unity-common 5.6.0-0ubuntu4 is installed (afaik I have no unity specific PPAs installed), but 0ubuntu3 should be - are the other updated packages coming ?
[16:16] <mhr3> angeloc, maybe you already fixed it actually, could use a check ;)
[16:17] <angeloc> mhr3:i read many bugs reports for days, but i've not saw this one! Ok, i'll look if it works with my fixes before starting
[16:18] <mhr3> angeloc, actually, looking at the code it should be fixed already
[16:19] <angeloc> mhr3:i'm testing right now, in a few minutes, i'll tell you
[16:22] <sbte> htorque, good job on fixing leaks yourself too ;-)
[16:24] <htorque> sbte: hehe, that was an easier one that i found when confirming the other fix. pure luck (e.g., i have no idea what's going on in bug 953970).
[16:24] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 953970 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "Small memory leak" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/953970
[16:25] <htorque> [that's all a scary nightmare for a java guy :P]
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[16:44] <angeloc> mhr3: yes, it works, it can be closed
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[17:36] <PaoloRotolo> Hi all
[17:39] <mhall119> hi PaoloRotolo
[17:42] <PaoloRotolo> hi :)
[18:22] <angeloc> mhr3: i'm intrested in bug 955229, due to the familiarity with codebase
[18:22] <ubot5> Launchpad bug 955229 in unity-lens-files "Locate scope doesn't respect privacy settings" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/955229
[18:22] <angeloc> mhr3: have you some hint?
[18:23] <angeloc> mhr3:ok, i see it's assigned to you
[18:23] <angeloc> mhr3: i can see it's assigned to you
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[19:00] <mhall119> davidcalle: the ARB is reviewing mark tully's music scopes, ifyou want to submit your grooveshark scope now too
[19:01] <davidcalle> mhall119, yay for Mark's music scopes! :)
[19:01] <davidcalle> mhall119, ok for Grooveshark too.
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[19:03] <mhall119> kenvandine: ping
[19:04] <kenvandine> mhall119, pong
[19:05] <mhall119> kenvandine: do you know who was working on the gwibber lens?
[19:05] <kenvandine> me
[19:05] <mhall119> what is it's current state? Can it be submitted to the ARB?
[19:05] <kenvandine> it is in main already
[19:05] <mhall119> oh, it is?
[19:06] <kenvandine> yup
[19:06] <kenvandine> it is built from gwibber source
[19:06] <mhall119> oh, ok
[19:07] <mhall119> kenvandine: I would like to see that replaces with either a generic "Microblog" lens or even more generic "Messages" lens, with a gwibber scope, what are your thoughts on doing that?
[19:07]  * mhall119 is speaking 12.10 timeframe
[19:08] <kenvandine> i plan to split it into separate scope and lens
[19:08] <kenvandine> so perhaps if there is a People lens, it could search gwibber as well, that kind of thing
[19:08] <mhall119> kenvandine: cool, I'll be happy to help you with that when the time comes
[19:09] <kenvandine> mhall119, definately open to ideas
[19:09] <kenvandine> awesome!
[19:09]  * kenvandine needs plenty of help!
[19:09] <mhall119> yeah, there's a Contacts lens in the works already, so we could make a scope for that
[19:09] <kenvandine> yeah, i think that is a perfect fit
[19:09] <mhall119> kenvandine: mind you, I don't now vala, so I may be limited to non-code help :)
[19:10] <kenvandine> it is very simple vala :)
[19:10] <davidcalle> mhall119, never trust this sentence :P
[19:11] <mhall119> lol
[19:11] <kenvandine> davidcalle, shhh... don't scare him away
[19:11] <kenvandine> :)
[19:11]  * mhall119 is never afraid of code
[19:11] <davidcalle> ;)
[19:11] <mhall119> because I spent years writing Perl
[19:12] <kenvandine> perl is scary
[19:12]  * mhall119 wonders what the state of Perl's gobject and dbus support is....
[19:13] <mhall119> I need to learn vala, maybe I'll kidnap kenvandine one night at UDS
[19:14] <kenvandine> that would be fun
[19:14] <mhall119> then I can hack on gwibber again, like the good-old days
[19:14] <kenvandine> woot
[19:14] <mhall119> kenvandine: do we still have gwibber-enabled GTK widgets for embedding in applications?
[19:15] <kenvandine> mhall119, yes
[19:15] <mhall119> do we have any for Qt?
[19:15] <kenvandine> nope
[19:15] <kenvandine> it would be nice
[19:15] <mhall119> how hard would it be?
[19:16] <kenvandine> no idea
[19:16] <mhall119> maybe I'll kidnap a Qt developer too
[19:16] <kenvandine> if you could get generated gobject bindings to Qt
[19:16] <kenvandine> it should be trivial
[19:16] <kenvandine> but i think the smoke stuff to do that is too experimental
[19:16] <mhall119> gobject bindings to Qt objects?
[19:17] <kenvandine> yeah
[19:17] <kenvandine> so it could just bind to libgwibber
[19:17] <kenvandine> otherwise it would be reimplementing libgwibber in Qt
[19:18] <mhall119> let me try and understand this, libgwibber exports GObjects, or libgwibber imports GObjects?
[19:36] <kklimonda> damn, alt tab and workspace swithching is really bugged :/
[19:38] <kklimonda> hmm, remapping "move window to the workspace X" helped a bit
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[23:40] <vit_o> hi, i have a problem with unity, can someone help me?
[23:44] <Daekdroom> You should ask your question and stick around for some minutes to see whether someone can answer
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