| kwadroke | party time? | 02:41 |
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| az7 | chat night ! | 02:46 |
| TommyT1 | I finally made it | 02:46 |
| TommyT1 | had to remember the GHOST command | 02:46 |
| az7 | ah | 02:47 |
| TommyT1 | oops it says I'm TommyT1 -- I should be TommyT. I'm going to try again... | 02:47 |
| TommyT | OK I'm back | 02:48 |
| az7 | welcome back | 02:48 |
| kwadroke | what's happenin? | 02:49 |
| TommyT | I haven't been here much in months... I think I was here a week or two ago when kwadroke and I were the only ones | 02:49 |
| kwadroke | I think it was a couple weeks ago | 02:49 |
| kwadroke | when you were telling me about those $35 PCs | 02:50 |
| TommyT | did you talk to them at Luyet? | 02:50 |
| kwadroke | which I got a few of them | 02:50 |
| kwadroke | yes | 02:50 |
| TommyT | my only complaint was they were picky about RAM | 02:50 |
| TommyT | it took a couple of tries before I found sticks that would take them to 1GB | 02:51 |
| kwadroke | I don't need much for what I'm doing | 02:52 |
| TommyT | I probably don't need much but nowadays 1GB seems like the minimum if you're running much recent software | 02:52 |
| kwadroke | yeah | 02:53 |
| Num83rGuy | Are these old PCs? | 02:53 |
| kwadroke | I'd like to get a GB in each | 02:53 |
| TommyT | The one I bought was Dell Optiplex something... I think it was made in 2003 or 2004 | 02:53 |
| kwadroke | I think these are GX-250's | 02:54 |
| Num83rGuy | Ah, just making sure you didn't find something like the Pi but with upgradeable RAM. | 02:54 |
| kwadroke | that would be cool | 02:55 |
| kwadroke | like to get some when they become available again | 02:56 |
| Num83rGuy | I used to get PCs out of the trash and refurb them and give them to kids but, I haven't found one in years. | 02:56 |
| TommyT | I ordered a couple of sticks from a vendor off of Amazon, and found that each worked individually, but when I put both in, the machine only saw one of them. (Declared one "bad.") | 02:59 |
| TommyT | SO I found a vendor on eBay who listed some as being compatible... "Dell Optiplex GX240 Dell 4300s 1GB KIT PC133 SDRAM LOW-DENSITY NON-ECC MEMORY | 02:59 |
| TommyT | and these worked. | 02:59 |
| TommyT | the "low density" is apparently the key | 03:00 |
| kwadroke | will have to remember that | 03:01 |
| TommyT | I read the wikipedia page about RAM to try to understand the "low density" thing and am not completely sure | 03:02 |
| TommyT | apparently most cheapo ram is "high density" | 03:02 |
| kwadroke | not really sure of the difference | 03:02 |
| kwadroke | it's been too long | 03:02 |
| kwadroke | any one get any of the Raspberry Pis? | 03:07 |
| TommyT | I bought the cheapo machine hoping to use it to convert some old VHS tapes to video files, either for burning to DVD or memory sticks or whatever. | 03:07 |
| TommyT | I read something about the Pi but not much | 03:08 |
| TommyT | I just checked the web site and there's a posting about "high demand." The web store is down... | 03:10 |
| TommyT | is there a US source or are they all shipped from the UK? | 03:10 |
| kwadroke | there's suposed to be 2 sources | 03:11 |
| kwadroke | in the US | 03:11 |
| TommyT | I really like the idea of the Pi -- I am curious how well it works in practice. | 03:14 |
| kwadroke | it's only 700mhz | 03:14 |
| kwadroke | with 512mb ram max | 03:15 |
| kwadroke | or 256mb | 03:15 |
| TommyT | I used to think 700mhz was plenty... but since it has hdmi on it you wonder if it has the throughput to do decent video | 03:19 |
| TommyT | it would certainly run basic applications | 03:20 |
| a_unix_geek | Raspberry PI? | 03:21 |
| kwadroke | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cts=1331695335991&ved=0CFUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.raspberrypi.org%2F&ei=5g5gT4-0BsTsgge_pryjCA&usg=AFQjCNEBMoebclm0Gk0LCZIStJbF04U1cQ&sig2=NXCUBq59QG1a8WuoPklrCQ | 03:22 |
| kwadroke | http://www.raspberrypi.org/ | 03:22 |
| kwadroke | better link | 03:22 |
| kwadroke | $35 arm computer | 03:23 |
| TommyT | I was just looking in their forum... apparently the orders have completely overwhelmed their vendor | 03:23 |
| kwadroke | yeah | 03:23 |
| kwadroke | took down their servers | 03:23 |
| a_unix_geek | oh, I was on a waiting list but will have to wait until I get back from Denver. I think I want to replace the big sled server with that. | 03:24 |
| a_unix_geek | It only has one ethernet jack, correct? | 03:25 |
| TommyT | I may be wrong but I think one model has ethernet one just has usb? | 03:26 |
| kwadroke | yes | 03:26 |
| TommyT | or do both have ethernet? | 03:26 |
| kwadroke | one has ethernet & 1 just has USB | 03:26 |
| a_unix_geek | I'd need two ethernet, | 03:26 |
| TommyT | yeah I don't think you'll make a router out of it unless you use usb-->ethernet | 03:26 |
| TommyT | the FAQ says they can't do gigabit ethernet because of the bandwidth of the USB | 03:27 |
| kwadroke | you could get the ethernet version and add a usb ethernet | 03:27 |
| TommyT | I think the forums are funny because folks are getting excited about getting XP running using "double QEMU" ... which sounds like hell squared | 03:28 |
| a_unix_geek | Yea, but then what about storage? I use the crap out of my 2650 for temp file storage. Also, some sshtunnel stuff going on there, but I think that wouldn't take much space. I'd have to find a very reliable USB hub for ethernet dongle and USB hdd | 03:28 |
| kwadroke | at least a powered one | 03:29 |
| TommyT | yeah only a pretty small drive can be powered off the thing at 5v | 03:29 |
| a_unix_geek | I bet Firmz could machine a baseplate and housing. | 03:29 |
| TommyT | is Firmz like Boltz ? | 03:30 |
| TommyT | a local shop? | 03:30 |
| a_unix_geek | Do you think I could DD my current 2650 drive over to a RasPI drive and it still boot. It took two weekends to get that router/firewall set back up. | 03:31 |
| a_unix_geek | Firmwarez, a mutual friend of mine and Kwad | 03:31 |
| kwadroke | Firmz is a person | 03:31 |
| TommyT | Ah | 03:31 |
| TommyT | a few days ago I was reading a biography of Sir Clive Sinclair, and it pointed out how much more popular his little computers were in the UK than they were in the US | 03:42 |
| TommyT | There's a huge market there for little machines to tinker with | 03:42 |
| kwadroke | much more popular. I had a couple of Timex Sinclairs | 03:42 |
| TommyT | My family had one, but really quickly I started pointing out how well the case would make a doorstop | 03:42 |
| TommyT | it didn't get used much | 03:43 |
| TommyT | For some reason my father thought his IBM PC Jr. was a worthy successor | 03:43 |
| TommyT | He actually used that one quite a bit | 03:44 |
| TommyT | I built a bunch of the Sinclair watches in the 1970s, and had one of the first calculators ... I ordered the kit and they sent a built one | 03:45 |
| TommyT | I probably still have it... | 03:45 |
| TommyT | I remember explaining RPN to folks... then the TI-30 came out. | 03:46 |
| TommyT | although it was HUGE compared to the Sinclair it had more buttons and was algebraic | 03:47 |
| TommyT | or whatever you call it when you use an = button | 03:47 |
| kwadroke | my sinclairs had membrane keyboards | 03:47 |
| kwadroke | was a pain to type on | 03:47 |
| TommyT | yes the TI/Sinclair had those awful buttons | 03:48 |
| TommyT | I used to sell Atari 400s which was only slightly better | 03:48 |
| TommyT | the Atari had raised areas around each button | 03:48 |
| TommyT | The worst part about the Sinclair was the memory expansion pack that would lose connection easily | 03:49 |
| TommyT | like when you were typing in a long program | 03:49 |
| kwadroke | I had that problem too | 03:49 |
| kwadroke | think I taped & zip tied mine | 03:50 |
| TommyT | I figured I was cursed ... the first time I touched any computer it crashed | 03:52 |
| TommyT | starting with a TRS-80 in 1977 | 03:52 |
| TommyT | Whoever had written the "lunar lander" game didn't do any range checking | 03:53 |
| kwadroke | lol | 03:56 |
| a_unix_geek | ok gents, off to bed - g'night | 03:57 |
| TommyT | gnite | 03:57 |
| kwadroke | about that time for me too | 04:00 |
| TommyT | I'm still pretending to work on my taxes | 04:01 |
| TommyT | but I oughta go in a bit | 04:01 |
| kwadroke | I'm out. Cyas later | 04:18 |
| Num83rGuy | I guess I;m a night owl. | 05:14 |
| Num83rGuy | *I'm | 05:15 |
| TommyT | apparently I am too... still pretending to work on taxes | 05:15 |
| TommyT | but it's hard to keep my mind on it | 05:15 |
| TommyT | that's it for me | 05:50 |
| TommyT | no more night owl | 05:51 |
| module000 | anyone linux-admins in the little rock area looking for a full time gig? | 20:10 |
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