[00:07] <blkperl> bkerensa: why don't you gpg sign your emails :)
[00:08] <bkerensa> blkperl: What purpose would it serve for me to gpg sign e-mails that do not contain anything I want to protect?
[00:12] <blkperl> bkerensa: gpg encryption is used for protecting, gpg signing is to prove your idenitity over the insecure email protocal
[00:15] <bkerensa> blkperl: Correct but when people who have no idea what pgp is get a signature.asc file attachment it only adds questions to be answered
[00:17] <bkerensa> blkperl: We discussed this on channel once and the basic response was that unless your packaging or sending something important its likely unnecessary to sign e-mail with your key.... I have only received on 3 signed e-mails so far in my lifetime
[00:17] <bkerensa> :P
[00:21] <blkperl> if users have questions about signature.asc files then thats good and you can introduce them to gpg :)
[00:21] <bkerensa> :P
[00:21] <blkperl> if i could add gpg siging to the bugtrackers at work i would do it :)
[00:22] <bkerensa> slangasek: Btw I decrypted that e-mail and uploaded the key but its now not showing you as signed my key
[01:45] <cy1> PGP encryption is essential for email, because otherwise there is no guaranteed way to differentiate from spam. Especially since most ISPs block us from directly sending email nowadays.
[01:45] <cy1> But email sucks in general so
[01:46] <nathwill> it would be badass to have p2p email equivalent
[01:46] <cy1> "Links? Hyperlinks? What good are those?" - MIME
[01:47] <cy1> nathwill, there are some options there... but p2p isn't sufficient, you have to say what kind you're looking for...
[01:47] <cy1> email already is p2p, just easily blocked by ISPs.
[01:48] <cy1> And generally unsigned.
[01:48] <nathwill> pfft. easily if you don't take any steps at all to protect your privacy
[01:48] <nathwill> i have yet to see an ISP block all smtp ports
[01:48] <nathwill> they usually just block 25, because it's the most abused
[01:49] <cy1> You can't send email to anyone whose port 25 is blocked.
[01:50] <cy1> there's no name@host:port format for addresses.
[01:50] <nathwill> that's what srv records are for...
[01:51] <cy1> Yeah, well SRV records can be scraped pretty easily, but...
[01:51] <cy1> it's true enough that ISPs don't give a shit there.
[01:51] <cy1> Unfortunately we're talking about SMTP not XMPP :p
[01:52] <nathwill> haha
[01:52] <cy1> of which XMPP has its own host of inanities
[01:52] <cy1> "Dialback? That sounds like something a phone company would do. Let's require it so we sound more businessy!" - XMPP
[01:53] <nathwill> sounds like a throttling mechanism
[01:54] <cy1> It's a "shit on the little guy" mechanism.
[01:54] <nathwill> sounds like a saturday night
[01:55] <cy1> Basically if you can't afford full PTR records in DNS, in addition to SRV and A, then you can't run an XMPP peer.
[01:55] <nathwill> so dialback's basically mandatory rdns
[01:55] <nathwill> awesome
[01:55] <cy1> They look up your IP to see if the PTR record goes to the right place, otherwise you're not allowed to connect.
[01:56] <cy1> Thankfully most server software has a "fuck you dialback" option, but it only works if you have a paid currently valid SSL certificate.
[01:56] <nathwill> is it really required that it be paid?
[01:56] <cy1> So basically most servers I communicate with on XMPP ban encryption. :/
[01:56] <nathwill> not just valid and signed by recognized authority?
[01:56] <cy1> Well, that's the funny thing about SSL nathwill.
[01:57] <cy1> An authority who signs certificates without charging for 'em won't be recognized as an authority by your ultimate authority.
[01:57] <nathwill> i'm my ultimate authority...
[01:57] <nathwill> ;)
[01:57] <cy1> Tell that to your mozilla web browser.
[01:58] <nathwill> ... with the import button?
[01:58] <nathwill> or with the convergence addon
[01:59] <cy1> Yeah, well most people don't use that.
[01:59] <nathwill> i could care less about most people :P
[01:59] <cy1> Anyway you don't control the servers at google or jabber.org or wherever, so you cannot force them to recognize me as an authority.
[02:00] <cy1> ergo, encryption = banned
[02:00] <nathwill> hrm
[02:00] <nathwill> google doesn't surprise me
[02:00] <nathwill> jabber kind of does
[02:00] <cy1> What, you mean Jabber Inc., the publically traded company? Doing ugly stuff? Go figure!
[02:01] <nathwill> but isn't the point with XMPP that the actual comms are direct between peers, not server mediated as with AIM/Yahoo chat?
[02:01] <cy1> No, actually communication is very server mediated.
[02:01] <nathwill> i don't understand how a service structured that way can successfully ban encryption
[02:01] <nathwill> really
[02:01] <nathwill> then what's the damn point
[02:01] <cy1> It's like email really.
[02:01] <cy1> The point is that when someone tried to run an AIM server, AOL sued their asses and the courts bought it.
[02:02] <nathwill> speaking of ssl certs, though, have you any experience with cacert.org?
[02:02] <cy1> So people made their own IM server.
[02:02] <cy1> cacert.org is great, if you can accept incoming mail on port 25. Otherwise you have to logon somewhere to get a cert from them. They're pretty much out of any default certificate authority list anyway.
[02:03] <cy1> Because they don't charge money.
[02:03] <nathwill> interesting
[02:04] <cy1> I hate jabber to death, but hey if it works then I don't care. But IRC is pretty much superior to it in every way.
[02:04]  * nathwill nods
[02:04] <nathwill> irc ftw, 99% of the time
[02:04] <cy1> Yeah, except for the whole EFnet crap
[02:04] <nathwill> ooooh. gnomeshell crash ftl...
[02:04] <cy1> But that's a malady shared among jabber.
[02:10] <bkerensa> hi nathwill
[02:10] <bkerensa> :D
[02:11] <nathwill> hey bkerensa
[02:11] <nathwill> funny cy1, i'm sitting here cursing email's inherent broken-ness when merging conversations from different threads as we speak
[02:12] <cy1> nathwill, reply to someone? Better save it to the sent folder and leave your inbox thread without context!
[02:12] <cy1> Gods I hate that.
[02:38] <nathwill> i wish more people i knew were on diaspora...
[02:39] <nathwill> er. know
[02:42] <bkerensa> nathwill: I am kind of
[02:42] <bkerensa> not sure how it all works but I got a profile?
[02:42] <cy1> I'd be on Diaspora... if it was free software.
[02:42] <nathwill> say whaaaa?
[02:43] <nathwill> i smell a statusnet user
[02:43] <cy1> (fuck you keymapping putting ctrl+w right next to ctrl+v)
[02:43] <cy1> https://diasp0ra.ca/posts/218102
[02:45] <cy1> Diaspora Inc. isn't even non-commercial anymore...
[02:45] <nathwill> wow
[02:45] <nathwill> when the f did that happen
[02:45] <nathwill> i feel like i was lied to
[02:46] <cy1> I was suspicious the moment it was "invite only" :( but it is pretty crappy, yeah...
[02:47] <nathwill> thanks for the link cy1
[02:47] <nathwill> depressing, but good to know
[02:47] <cy1> I'm worried that Diaspora, Inc. is part of an attempt to disrupt free social networking, by dividing its members and making people disagree. Hopefully it won't be like Trolltech...
[02:48] <yuler> What free social networking?
[02:48] <nathwill> bam
[02:48] <nathwill> acct closed
[02:48] <cy1> Well, Diaspora ostensibly...
[02:49] <nathwill> i'm not vested enough to deal with flipflopping in that regard
[02:50] <nathwill> and i've already vowed that this is the year i inhouse everything i can
[03:01] <nathwill> anyone have experience with one of these?
[03:01] <nathwill> http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/t-dreamplugdetails.aspx
[03:02] <nathwill> i really wanna get one
[03:06] <bkerensa> nathwill: why not a pandaboard?
[03:06] <bkerensa> or a raspberry-pi with a 3d printed case?
[03:06] <yuler> It's like a fully modded Raspeberry Pi
[03:06] <nathwill> if i get a raspberry pi i'll build the lego-case
[03:07] <nathwill> but that is a good suggestion
[03:07] <nathwill> does raspberry pi come w/ dual nic?
[03:07] <yuler> no
[03:07] <nathwill> well, deal breaker then
[03:07] <nathwill> needs to be able to function as router/firewall
[03:08] <bkerensa> nathwill: no idea
[03:08] <bkerensa> nathwill: why?
[03:08] <bkerensa> lol
[03:08] <bkerensa> nathwill: you should see my new router its a beast :D
[03:08] <nathwill> i also like the bubba
[03:08] <nathwill> :)
[03:08] <nathwill> andi bet you have a crazy router
[03:08] <bkerensa> nathwill: Belkin N900 DB
[03:09] <yuler> Pi is generic core for $35.  What's a Dreamplug run?
[03:09] <bkerensa> oh Advanced N900 DB even
[03:09] <bkerensa> http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/08/belkin-reveals-advance-n900-db-router/
[03:10] <nathwill> yuler: i believe it ships debian or ubuntu
[03:11] <nathwill> boy belkin doesn't make it easy to find detailed tech specs...
[03:12] <nathwill> aanyways. i'm outta here
[03:12] <nathwill> have a good night all
[03:12] <nathwill> see ya tomorrow
[03:13] <bkerensa> yuler: So how did you find out about us?
[03:14] <yuler> with room list
[03:15] <bkerensa> yuler: :)
[03:15] <bkerensa> yuler: But you live in Oregon?
[03:15] <bkerensa> :D
[03:16] <yuler> I cannot be here if not?
[03:17] <bkerensa> yuler:  But of course you can :)
[03:18] <bkerensa> time for dinner
[03:18] <bkerensa> ttyl
[21:17] <cweber10> bkerensa: so what do you do when a bug is in an other language is there something to do so it can get to someone who knows the language?
[21:17] <cweber10> Windipity is in on the question too.
[21:19] <bkerensa> cweber10: I suppose working with google translate to understand the bug might work best.... I am about to run out for lunch... Bdmurray might you be able to better answer this if you have time?
[21:23] <bdmurray> cweber10: what bug number is this?  I would use google translate to get an general idea
[21:23] <bdmurray> and then decide from there what to do
[21:24] <lcollins07> bdmurray: Bug #909442
[21:27] <bdmurray> well, google translate wasn't a ton of help
[21:27] <bdmurray> I mean its not clear to me how to recreate the bug
[21:28] <bdmurray> so I'd mark it as incomplete looking for more details and also mention how the majority of the users of Launchpad read and write english so it is best to communicate in english
[21:28] <lcollins07> bdmurray: Ok I can do that.
[21:28] <bdmurray> and not bother translating your response to french
[21:30] <bdmurray> somebody who knows french, slangasek?, might be able to help with whether or not jeu is a typo
[21:30] <slangasek> it means 'game'
[21:31] <slangasek> 'game closes when you launch a "grid"'
[21:31] <slangasek> haha, "Thurs" - very clever, google translate
[21:33] <bdmurray> lcollins07: its also good to subscribe to the bug so you get an email notification when the reporter responds
[21:34] <lcollins07> bdmurray: Good idea! I will do that.
[21:38] <bdmurray> if we look at the changelog of gnome-games we might find something interesting
[21:38] <bdmurray> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-games/+changelog
[23:06] <bkerensa> cweber10: Just to add to what bdmurray said perhaps you could mark it incomplete and ask them to better describe the bug using our canned message and also translate that to their native tongue and explain that it would be best if they could communicate in english
[23:06] <bkerensa> :)
[23:06] <bkerensa> their choice of english of course