| len-nb | ScottL and others, Todays iso (mar13) won't install. Install hangs... see email list for more info. g'night | 04:01 |
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| micahg | ScottL: replacing the headers isn't sufficient to replace the kernel | 04:18 |
| * micahg should pay more attention to commits | 04:18 | |
| astraljava | micahg: When you have time, please point me to the correct address on finding more out of this us-meta handling. I'm especially puzzled by bug #954468, I cannot find the postinst script anywhere. | 11:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 954468 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "package ubuntustudio-audio (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954468 | 11:26 |
| knome | hoi astraljava :) | 11:27 |
| knome | how are you? | 11:27 |
| astraljava | o/ | 11:27 |
| astraljava | So-so. | 11:27 |
| astraljava | You? | 11:27 |
| knome | how did the interviews go? | 11:27 |
| astraljava | It was fine, but you never know about these things, so I'm still looking. | 11:27 |
| knome | mmh, okayish too, wondering if i should apply for a job too :P | 11:27 |
| astraljava | Business been slow recently? | 11:28 |
| knome | yeah. a few weeks has been really slow. i'm working on stuff again though | 11:28 |
| knome | and it's more about mental health than money issues :P | 11:28 |
| knome | i, and especially wife, think(s) that i need to get out of the house more :P | 11:29 |
| astraljava | Alright, well, good luck with that. It's a little easier for you, though. There are tons of web dev jobs out there, ones I cannot apply for. | 11:29 |
| astraljava | Ahh... ok. | 11:29 |
| astraljava | I can understand that. | 11:29 |
| knome | well i'm not applying for those. i want to do web dev on my own :) | 11:29 |
| astraljava | knome: Have a look at #952462, some of your guys could probably help us with that. | 11:30 |
| astraljava | Erhm... bug #952462. | 11:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 952462 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntustudio 12.04 installer has unreadable text" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/952462 | 11:30 |
| knome | astraljava, yeah. poke ochosi | 11:30 |
| astraljava | Colin mentions Xfce's session handling in one of the bug comments. | 11:30 |
| astraljava | Ok, thanks. | 11:30 |
| knome | afaik that's simply a theming issue | 11:30 |
| knome | but hey, how do i know... i didn't fix it :) | 11:31 |
| scott-work | micahg: ack'd | 11:31 |
| * scott-work feels kinda stupid about that one | 11:32 | |
| scott-work | hi knome | 11:32 |
| knome | hey scott-work :) | 11:32 |
| scott-work | how are you this....early afternoon? | 11:32 |
| astraljava | Heheh, you're getting better at this. :) | 11:32 |
| knome | okayish, as i were a few mins ago when astraljava asked ;) | 11:32 |
| astraljava | Hmm... supermario has commented on it, with a probable fix. I might look into this later today. | 11:33 |
| knome | mmh | 11:33 |
| astraljava | maybe_ubiquity. Who comes up with these package names?! :D | 11:34 |
| knome | super mario scored 4 goals yesterday | 11:34 |
| knome | champions league, bayern vs. basel | 11:34 |
| astraljava | I watched the other game. | 11:34 |
| astraljava | Well, drowsed through rather than watched. | 11:34 |
| knome | b/b vas really entertaining | 11:34 |
| scott-work | i probably should look at the repeating bug reports for etiher ubuntustudio-menu or ubuntustudio-audio packages | 11:34 |
| scott-work | but so many other things to do currently to get 12.04 ready :/ | 11:35 |
| astraljava | Could have been, I just knew I wasn't gonna survive it anyhow, so felt it woulda been wrong to even try and watch it. | 11:35 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I'll try and work on the bugs, cause it's about the only thing I can do at the moment. | 11:35 |
| astraljava | scott-work: You can concentrate on the more important issues. | 11:35 |
| scott-work | i think i'd like to summarize all the effort we went through this cycle at some point, make a post about it | 11:36 |
| scott-work | there was a lot of effort this cycle, probably more so than the last three combined | 11:36 |
| knome | speaking of effort, where are we with the website? | 11:37 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Is the ubiquity tasks selection available in the installer nowadays? | 11:37 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I see pitti commenting on my bug, but I haven't had time to check the image so far. | 11:37 |
| knome | also, scott-work, did you do some changes to the slideshow branch under ubuntustudio team? i need to push those to the main branch | 11:37 |
| scott-work | astraljava: no, i really haven't pushed it at this point and was resigned to this happening next cycle | 11:38 |
| scott-work | knome: i have made any appreciable progress on the website | 11:38 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Ok, I'm fine with that. It really didn't get that much love this cycle, sorry about that. | 11:38 |
| scott-work | knome: i want to finish the menu/panels tonight, then hopefully by weekend i will have changes for the slideshow, i'm about 1/2 way there now but would like to review what i did... | 11:39 |
| scott-work | i know that my text for the audio slide was waaaay too specific, especially as i moved into video and graphics | 11:39 |
| astraljava | Wonder why a lot of the bugs show installation media as Xubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Alpha i386 (20120303), when installing ubuntustudio-audio. | 11:39 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i was wondering about that as well | 11:39 |
| scott-work | knome: when would the cut off be for getting the slide stuff done | 11:40 |
| * scott-work wishes he was secretely wealthy and didn't have to actually work to support himself and could dedicated to more enjoyable persuits...like music, art, and ubuntu studio ;) | 11:40 | |
| knome | scott-work, i suppose language pack deadlines, but if you can make it happen by beta2, that would be good | 11:42 |
| knome | scott-work, should check all this with dylan mccall if you want a specific date | 11:42 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I'm pretty sure you're not alone with that wish. | 11:42 |
| astraljava | Damnit, I have no idea how to debug these ubuntustudio-meta related bugs. Where can I find the source file for editing depends/recommends, for instance? I'm pretty sure we'd need to add python-changesettings to depends so that us-audio's rtprio.py won't fail because of missing module for import changesettings. | 11:47 |
| * astraljava goes outside while it's still nice and sunny | 11:48 | |
| * knome goes eating before the headache starts | 11:48 | |
| scott-work | sometimes it is frustrating though, i might leave work late, get the kids home, cook dinner, get daughter to do homework, clean up kitchen/house, and then.... | 11:50 |
| scott-work | a) just get really fooking tired | 11:50 |
| scott-work | b) have to deal with one of the kids either acting bad or just needing attention | 11:50 |
| scott-work | c) or realize it's already time for bed | 11:50 |
| scott-work | i have all these things piling up that i want to get done and i feel the pressure quite acutely, but sometimes there just isn't enough time | 11:51 |
| scott-work | astraljava: hmmmm, for precise we removed rtprio.py because it appeared to be trying to solve the same problem that was addressed by jack with the debconf question about -rt privileges | 11:52 |
| scott-work | and actually doing it wrong now ;) | 11:52 |
| scott-work | i.e. it was creating the old configure file, i'll find it | 11:52 |
| scott-work | if set, it should be located in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf now instead of /etc/security/limits.conf | 11:53 |
| scott-work | that was a quote from somewhere (actually my quote) | 11:53 |
| scott-work | but it looked like rtprio.py was settings the limits.conf file and jack/debcon was using audio.conf (which i presume to be the "correct" way since it is a new implementation) | 11:53 |
| scott-work | at some point i had wanted to see if any new plugin packages were added since last cycle | 11:57 |
| scott-work | i wonder if there is an easy way to see which packages have been added recently | 11:57 |
| scott-work | sorry, i realize i was whinging earlier | 12:32 |
| knome | scott-work, np :P | 12:38 |
| scott-work | well, i just i have an admission to make as well... | 12:48 |
| scott-work | (queue suspensful music) | 12:49 |
| scott-work | *dum dum dummmmmm* | 12:49 |
| scott-work | i've been kinda working on another, but similar and aligned, project | 12:49 |
| scott-work | although it hasn't really taken much time at this point | 12:49 |
| scott-work | what i'm working on is a drupal website that will focus on showing people how to create media or content with libre tools | 12:50 |
| scott-work | it's kinda a crappy website (really!) at the moment | 12:50 |
| scott-work | and i've only just recorded my first video for it which i set ffmpeg to convert to image sequence last night | 12:50 |
| scott-work | but i want it to be not *just* a blog, i want video to be a big (at least equal to text) part of it | 12:51 |
| scott-work | but i should note that i really haven't spent much time on it at all at this point, and i wouldn't say that it is causing any appreciable delays in studio development | 12:52 |
| scott-work | this really scratches a creative itch that i've had for a while | 12:52 |
| scott-work | and i'm not going to stress or be concerned over how well produced everything is in the beginning | 12:53 |
| scott-work | i'll keep refining various aspects over time | 12:53 |
| scott-work | but the main thing is that i just want to *start* | 12:53 |
| knome | you really want to use drupal? | 12:53 |
| scott-work | i have to admit that i do not have any preference at this point, knome. my exposure to both wordpress and drupal are extremely limited | 12:54 |
| scott-work | however, my vps offers a turnkey drupal installation, that was the deciding factor | 12:55 |
| knome | hmph. installing wordpress is easy even if you had to do it yourself | 12:55 |
| scott-work | it's kinda nice, i go to their panel, select another installation (perhaps wiki or trac) and 1.3936853 minutes later you have a working install on the net | 12:55 |
| scott-work | http://fossmusicproject.org/ is where it is at currently | 12:56 |
| scott-work | the real catalyst for this was seeing a this drupal theme somewhere and i said to myself, "self, that wouldn't be bad for that thing you want to do" and so i spent part of a saturday evening doing it | 12:56 |
| knome | heh | 12:57 |
| scott-work | the video that is already there is just a proof-of-concept video that i did in about 4 hours (including setting up video and green screen) with blender | 13:03 |
| scott-work | it is also a proof-of-concept that i could show videos on drupal :P | 13:03 |
| astraljava | scott-work: That's alarming, then, as it is still there in the ubuntustudio-meta package. | 14:08 |
| astraljava | scott-work: re: rtprio.py | 14:08 |
| astraljava | At least one bug is because of this. | 14:08 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i thought i worked with micahg to get it removed :( i cannot recall the specifics of what we did at this moment, but i do remember feeling like we had "fixed" it | 14:09 |
| scott-work | hmmmmm.....maybe we removed it from being called during configuration but not removed from the seeds | 14:10 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I just apt-get source'd ubuntustudio-audio, and there it was still. | 14:10 |
| astraljava | scott-work: A-ha, ok, so then maybe the bug is fixed already. | 14:10 |
| ttoine | hi scott-work | 14:10 |
| scott-work | hello ttoine! :-D | 14:11 |
| astraljava | scott-work: If you can point me to where this was resolved, I could mark the bug as fix released. | 14:11 |
| astraljava | Hi Antoine! LTNS! | 14:11 |
| scott-work | hmmm, astraljava , i can do that,but it would be later today during my lunch as i would need to research a few things, but i think it was in the default-settings package perhaps | 14:11 |
| ttoine | just see your invitation to come on the channel | 14:11 |
| ttoine | it's been a while since I came here last time | 14:12 |
| astraljava | scott-work: It's fine, it's just a little learning experience as well, so no rush. | 14:12 |
| astraljava | It's certainly been a while since I last saw that nick. :) Probably in some logs I was combing through recently. :) | 14:13 |
| scott-work | i think ttoine had a differing of opinion with cory about things, at least that is what i have gathered from mailing list archives | 14:14 |
| scott-work | but i'm glad he's back....oops, he's gone again :P | 14:14 |
| scott-work | astraljava: well, now i'm concerned that we didn't really "fix" this problem | 14:14 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Yeah, that was why he left way back then. | 14:17 |
| astraljava | The Original Three has all vanished now. (10 points for getting the reference there) | 14:17 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I'm talking about the bug #942136 re: rtprio.py | 14:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 942136 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "package ubuntustudio-audio 0.90 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942136 | 14:18 |
| astraljava | scott-work: I will try to verify this soon, but my test machines are all in poor conditions at the moment. | 14:18 |
| astraljava | condition* | 14:18 |
| ttoine | re | 14:21 |
| scott-work | hi again ttoine | 14:23 |
| ttoine | xchat don't support the launcher of unity... so come back with xchat-gnome | 14:23 |
| ttoine | scott-work, are you going to release a new version of Ubuntu Studio ? | 14:24 |
| scott-work | ttoine: yes, we are working on 12.04 currently | 14:24 |
| ttoine | great | 14:24 |
| ttoine | I made several trials for audio recording. the current lowlatency is not good enough, but the realtime from abogani is great. without support of restricted drivers unfortunately | 14:25 |
| ttoine | I already started to rewrite the UbuntuStudioPreparation page on the community wiki | 14:25 |
| astraljava | ttoine: What do you think about using Xubuntu as the base for US now? | 14:27 |
| ttoine | I don't know. I always though that the DE has to be the choice of the user | 14:28 |
| ttoine | For myself, I use Unity and find it cool for a day to day use. But it seems that compiz asks for too much power and may be bad for realtime applications, meaning audio, of course | 14:29 |
| ttoine | but as a lot of Linux users for multimedia production do it on old hardware, it is a good choice | 14:30 |
| ttoine | on the french forum linuxmao.org, many howtos are based on Xfce | 14:30 |
| ttoine | scott-work, astraljava, for this release, what were the main focuses ?? | 14:31 |
| astraljava | ttoine: Probably the switching to use a live-dvd has been the biggest difference. | 14:33 |
| astraljava | ttoine: Other things have been smaller tweakings, to provide more pleasing and stable release as compared to 11.10. | 14:34 |
| astraljava | ttoine: You can see the attempted goals in the blueprints @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio | 14:35 |
| ttoine | I am going to read that. | 14:36 |
| ttoine | Great to see that a live dvd is "on the road"... I always was for that | 14:36 |
| astraljava | ttoine: Progress has been tracked in at least some of them. | 14:36 |
| ttoine | someone is working on the website ? | 14:38 |
| scott-work | ttoine: yes, stochastic and i are basically ignoring the website currently, much to knome 's consternation | 14:52 |
| astraljava | ttoine: scott-work and knome have been working on it, some others maybe as well. | 14:53 |
| astraljava | Haha. | 14:53 |
| scott-work | but work has been done and will continue to be as other things get done | 14:53 |
| scott-work | ttoine: i am developing a "long plan" for ubuntu studio | 14:54 |
| scott-work | this and the next cycle are basically what i am terming "foundations" | 14:54 |
| ttoine | ok. It seems a bit broken in Chrome. If you need help, don't hesitate. I will have more time from now, I am jobless and will try to start a business | 14:54 |
| scott-work | we are getting the distro truly functional for a baseline of people | 14:54 |
| scott-work | this cycle has been donig more internal stuff with the OS | 14:54 |
| ttoine | scott-work, it it possible to have a look on this "long plan" ? | 14:55 |
| scott-work | some of that will continue into the next cycle, but i would like a majority of the next cycle to focus on documentation and developing a proper testing procedure | 14:55 |
| scott-work | absolutely, ttoine | 14:55 |
| scott-work | given the limited amount of progress that can be accomplished by a small group in a single cycle, i think it is imperative | 14:55 |
| ttoine | so for documentation I will do my best to help. Look at the UbuntuStudioPreparation, I started to write about all multimedia, not only audio. | 14:56 |
| scott-work | i would like to start exploring how we can further improve the user experience in starting a new project (audio, video, graphic) or opening an existing one | 14:56 |
| ttoine | scott-work, I agree. A long plan is the best. | 14:56 |
| scott-work | ttoine: also, i want video (film work, not just home movies) with post production and compositing to be a big part | 14:57 |
| scott-work | i have also been trying to solicit information about how we can better support graphic artists | 14:57 |
| scott-work | things like using git to host and develop a print magazine (ala libre graphics magazine) | 14:57 |
| scott-work | these will be rolled into work flows developered for certain tasks and then made into seeds which the user can choose to install (or not!) during installation via gui | 14:58 |
| scott-work | in some cases, i.e. better project management for new/existing projects, we will explore many options, e.g. gladish, creating scripts, or possible even pushing innovation to nedko or paul perhaps | 14:59 |
| scott-work | i think a pretty expansive PR campaign once some of these aspects are more developed would greatly benefit ubuntu studio, ubuntu, and linux in general | 15:00 |
| scott-work | this might be in a year | 15:00 |
| scott-work | and we would just need to comment about what is possibel with ubuntu studio in whatever forums or groups we know about | 15:00 |
| scott-work | i ran across a DSLR film making website, that's perfect! | 15:00 |
| scott-work | even an animae remix webstie | 15:00 |
| scott-work | i listen to several podcasts that i want to send information, including the twit network | 15:01 |
| scott-work | but we need ubuntu studio to work well for certain use cases and have developed the user documentation to support them | 15:01 |
| scott-work | and lastely, in my opinion, we need a video presence to really accomplish proper PR in an effective sense | 15:02 |
| ttoine | I always though that we must focus on some use case, the ones we can manage as a small team | 15:02 |
| scott-work | aye | 15:02 |
| ttoine | and use the website to manage a community | 15:02 |
| scott-work | i agree | 15:02 |
| scott-work | i also want to foster discussions later this cycle/early next cycle about where our documentation should be | 15:02 |
| ttoine | It was not possible with the previous leader, that was the main purpose of my retirement of ubuntu studio | 15:03 |
| scott-work | the documetnation could either continue to be on help.ubuntu.com or could go on the new website, there are pros and cons for both | 15:03 |
| ttoine | I think that if we are using Drupal of something like that for the main website, the main documentation should be on the website | 15:03 |
| ttoine | but if we do some documentation on the website, it as to be limited on our main focus use cases, and it has to be illustrated | 15:04 |
| ttoine | not only command line, like on the help wiki | 15:04 |
| scott-work | ttoine: i hope people find that i am open to contributions by others, i have to be as i am neither a robust developers, not have excessive time | 15:04 |
| ttoine | as a lot of people. We all have to work to pay the bill and meal for the family, scott | 15:05 |
| scott-work | i tend to not blindly trust the work of others, i am responsible for ubuntu studio. however, once trust is built then i do tend to not worry | 15:05 |
| scott-work | and i think it is not disingenuous to state that a majority of the develoment/improvements are done by me, which is not an optimal situation | 15:07 |
| scott-work | so i do welcome people who can effectively help :) | 15:07 |
| scott-work | i also admit that the plans and blueprints for precise were create by me without much input from others, however for the Q cycle i would like to greatly increase the input from others | 15:09 |
| ttoine | you don't need to justify | 15:09 |
| ttoine | you have done a lot and it's great | 15:10 |
| ttoine | As you may know, I don't know a lot about application development and packaging. but i can do a lot about testing, writing docs in english and french | 15:10 |
| ttoine | working on the website too, although I am very good on Wordpress, not on Drupal | 15:11 |
| astraljava | But our website seems to be WP, not Drupal. Unless I've misunderstood something. | 15:13 |
| ttoine | astraljava, I won't be so sure. I looked at the source code, and the theme is not where it should be if it would be a wordpress theme | 15:16 |
| astraljava | view-source:https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/ -- <meta name="generator" content="WordPress 3.3.1" /> | 15:18 |
| astraljava | But, IANAWD. | 15:18 |
| ttoine | the staging.ubuntustudio.org uses WP. not the ubuntustudio.org | 15:20 |
| ttoine | astraljava, the staging.ubuntustudio.org is the work for the next website ? | 15:21 |
| astraljava | Hmm... hasn't gone live, yet, then? | 15:22 |
| ttoine | astraljava, some one is working on a WP theme ? | 15:22 |
| astraljava | ttoine: Don't ask me, I don't work on the web stuff at all. Try knome or scott-work. | 15:23 |
| ttoine | ok | 15:23 |
| ttoine | scott-work, what is the staging.ubuntustudio.org ? Is some one working on a WP theme ? | 15:23 |
| scott-work | astraljava: ttoine : the existing website is in drupal, the new website (for which knome was vastly instrumental) is in word press | 15:24 |
| scott-work | and as astraljava pointed out the new site is in staging :) | 15:24 |
| astraljava | scott-work: When's it going live, then? At release time? | 15:24 |
| ttoine | do knome need help ? | 15:24 |
| scott-work | astraljava: i suppose after we get most of the content in there :/ which will probably be close to release time i predict | 15:25 |
| astraljava | scott-work: ACK. | 15:25 |
| scott-work | ttoine: my understanding is that knome is more or less just waiting for me (and stochastic ) to fill in the content, i do have a vision but not time currently to do this | 15:25 |
| astraljava | scott-work: Note, I wasn't criticising anything, just didn't know the status of it. :) | 15:26 |
| ttoine | scott-work, but at the moment there is no theme... so the problem is not only content... | 15:27 |
| scott-work | astraljava: heheh, i didn't take it any other way, my friend :) | 15:28 |
| scott-work | ttoine: there is a theme, i know that knome was working with RT about fixing some issue with the staging area, but i can see the theme using firefox :/ | 15:28 |
| * scott-work is away in a meeting | 15:28 | |
| ttoine | scott-work, ok. So maybe I will have a chat with knome as he come on the channel. | 15:31 |
| ttoine | I may help him to fix the theme | 15:31 |
| astraljava | Hmm... got a new temp job for the rest of the week, so I'll work on the bugs over the weekend. | 16:08 |
| knome | ttoine, https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/ | 18:15 |
| astraljava | knome: How many times do I need to tell you, pay attention! We've established that much already. :D | 18:19 |
| knome | heh | 18:20 |
| knome | astraljava, but ttoine said there's no theme, so he must've been looking at http:// | 18:20 |
| astraljava | Ok, but I did paste sources from the secured protocol. Alright, you win this time. *snarl* | 18:22 |
| knome | ;)) | 18:23 |
| knome | the source for non-secure would say the same | 18:23 |
| knome | ;] | 18:23 |
| astraljava | As that one not-to-be-named company recently made the decision on switching from joomla to WP, and now it's going to be the platform-of-choice for US, it seems to be where it's at nowadays. So do you have a site or e-book or whathaveyou to recommend on it? | 18:34 |
| astraljava | I will have to gain considerably more knowledge regarding it. | 18:35 |
| knome | astraljava, the WP codex is good... :P | 18:35 |
| astraljava | ...which is? | 18:35 |
| knome | http://codex.wordpress.org/ | 18:35 |
| astraljava | Ok, thanks! | 18:36 |
| knome | basically it's the online docs | 18:36 |
| astraljava | Figured as much. Alright, something to read during the weekend. Thanks a lot! I'll head off to bed now, going to wake up and watch the Ducks' games before work. | 18:37 |
| knome | oki, good night | 18:38 |
| astraljava | Thanks, same to you (in about those 11 hours when you go to sleep). Was nice to see Tom Hanks being a Kings fan. :) Ok, off now for realsies. | 18:48 |
| knome | hahah :D | 18:49 |
| scott-work | happy pie day, btw | 19:19 |
| scott-work | errr, 'pi' day | 19:19 |
| * knome 'd like some pie | 19:20 | |
| ailo | scott-work: Might as well call it pie day | 21:04 |
| ailo | A lot of people baking pie today | 21:04 |
| len_ | ailo, the two are related after all... | 21:06 |
| ailo | len_: Yep | 21:14 |
| ailo | I baked bread myself | 21:14 |
| ailo | Square shaped | 21:15 |
| ailo | Well, viewed from the top | 21:15 |
| len_ | I only do that saturday... mine are odd shaped, each one different. | 21:15 |
| len_ | I'm going to see if todays iso is any better than yesterdays. | 21:16 |
| ScottL | len_, i would be curious about that too, micahg never mentioned that the kernel issue was fixed | 22:57 |
| * ScottL is looking at the seeds | 22:57 | |
| * ScottL didn't mean to imply that it is micah's responsibility as it is not, it is mine | 22:58 | |
| ScottL | seeds look the same, i'm guessing today's images are not going to work either | 22:58 |
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