[04:01] ScottL and others, Todays iso (mar13) won't install. Install hangs... see email list for more info. g'night [04:18] ScottL: replacing the headers isn't sufficient to replace the kernel [04:18] * micahg should pay more attention to commits [11:26] micahg: When you have time, please point me to the correct address on finding more out of this us-meta handling. I'm especially puzzled by bug #954468, I cannot find the postinst script anywhere. [11:26] Launchpad bug 954468 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "package ubuntustudio-audio (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/954468 [11:27] hoi astraljava :) [11:27] how are you? [11:27] o/ [11:27] So-so. [11:27] You? [11:27] how did the interviews go? [11:27] It was fine, but you never know about these things, so I'm still looking. [11:27] mmh, okayish too, wondering if i should apply for a job too :P [11:28] Business been slow recently? [11:28] yeah. a few weeks has been really slow. i'm working on stuff again though [11:28] and it's more about mental health than money issues :P [11:29] i, and especially wife, think(s) that i need to get out of the house more :P [11:29] Alright, well, good luck with that. It's a little easier for you, though. There are tons of web dev jobs out there, ones I cannot apply for. [11:29] Ahh... ok. [11:29] I can understand that. [11:29] well i'm not applying for those. i want to do web dev on my own :) [11:30] knome: Have a look at #952462, some of your guys could probably help us with that. [11:30] Erhm... bug #952462. [11:30] Launchpad bug 952462 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubuntustudio 12.04 installer has unreadable text" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/952462 [11:30] astraljava, yeah. poke ochosi [11:30] Colin mentions Xfce's session handling in one of the bug comments. [11:30] Ok, thanks. [11:30] afaik that's simply a theming issue [11:31] but hey, how do i know... i didn't fix it :) [11:31] micahg: ack'd [11:32] * scott-work feels kinda stupid about that one [11:32] hi knome [11:32] hey scott-work :) [11:32] how are you this....early afternoon? [11:32] Heheh, you're getting better at this. :) [11:32] okayish, as i were a few mins ago when astraljava asked ;) [11:33] Hmm... supermario has commented on it, with a probable fix. I might look into this later today. [11:33] mmh [11:34] maybe_ubiquity. Who comes up with these package names?! :D [11:34] super mario scored 4 goals yesterday [11:34] champions league, bayern vs. basel [11:34] I watched the other game. [11:34] Well, drowsed through rather than watched. [11:34] b/b vas really entertaining [11:34] i probably should look at the repeating bug reports for etiher ubuntustudio-menu or ubuntustudio-audio packages [11:35] but so many other things to do currently to get 12.04 ready :/ [11:35] Could have been, I just knew I wasn't gonna survive it anyhow, so felt it woulda been wrong to even try and watch it. [11:35] scott-work: I'll try and work on the bugs, cause it's about the only thing I can do at the moment. [11:35] scott-work: You can concentrate on the more important issues. [11:36] i think i'd like to summarize all the effort we went through this cycle at some point, make a post about it [11:36] there was a lot of effort this cycle, probably more so than the last three combined [11:37] speaking of effort, where are we with the website? [11:37] scott-work: Is the ubiquity tasks selection available in the installer nowadays? [11:37] scott-work: I see pitti commenting on my bug, but I haven't had time to check the image so far. [11:37] also, scott-work, did you do some changes to the slideshow branch under ubuntustudio team? i need to push those to the main branch [11:38] astraljava: no, i really haven't pushed it at this point and was resigned to this happening next cycle [11:38] knome: i have made any appreciable progress on the website [11:38] scott-work: Ok, I'm fine with that. It really didn't get that much love this cycle, sorry about that. [11:39] knome: i want to finish the menu/panels tonight, then hopefully by weekend i will have changes for the slideshow, i'm about 1/2 way there now but would like to review what i did... [11:39] i know that my text for the audio slide was waaaay too specific, especially as i moved into video and graphics [11:39] Wonder why a lot of the bugs show installation media as Xubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Alpha i386 (20120303), when installing ubuntustudio-audio. [11:39] astraljava: i was wondering about that as well [11:40] knome: when would the cut off be for getting the slide stuff done [11:40] * scott-work wishes he was secretely wealthy and didn't have to actually work to support himself and could dedicated to more enjoyable persuits...like music, art, and ubuntu studio ;) [11:42] scott-work, i suppose language pack deadlines, but if you can make it happen by beta2, that would be good [11:42] scott-work, should check all this with dylan mccall if you want a specific date [11:42] scott-work: I'm pretty sure you're not alone with that wish. [11:47] Damnit, I have no idea how to debug these ubuntustudio-meta related bugs. Where can I find the source file for editing depends/recommends, for instance? I'm pretty sure we'd need to add python-changesettings to depends so that us-audio's rtprio.py won't fail because of missing module for import changesettings. [11:48] * astraljava goes outside while it's still nice and sunny [11:48] * knome goes eating before the headache starts [11:50] sometimes it is frustrating though, i might leave work late, get the kids home, cook dinner, get daughter to do homework, clean up kitchen/house, and then.... [11:50] a) just get really fooking tired [11:50] b) have to deal with one of the kids either acting bad or just needing attention [11:50] c) or realize it's already time for bed [11:51] i have all these things piling up that i want to get done and i feel the pressure quite acutely, but sometimes there just isn't enough time [11:52] astraljava: hmmmm, for precise we removed rtprio.py because it appeared to be trying to solve the same problem that was addressed by jack with the debconf question about -rt privileges [11:52] and actually doing it wrong now ;) [11:52] i.e. it was creating the old configure file, i'll find it [11:53] if set, it should be located in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf now instead of /etc/security/limits.conf [11:53] that was a quote from somewhere (actually my quote) [11:53] but it looked like rtprio.py was settings the limits.conf file and jack/debcon was using audio.conf (which i presume to be the "correct" way since it is a new implementation) [11:57] at some point i had wanted to see if any new plugin packages were added since last cycle [11:57] i wonder if there is an easy way to see which packages have been added recently [12:32] sorry, i realize i was whinging earlier [12:38] scott-work, np :P [12:48] well, i just i have an admission to make as well... [12:49] (queue suspensful music) [12:49] *dum dum dummmmmm* [12:49] i've been kinda working on another, but similar and aligned, project [12:49] although it hasn't really taken much time at this point [12:50] what i'm working on is a drupal website that will focus on showing people how to create media or content with libre tools [12:50] it's kinda a crappy website (really!) at the moment [12:50] and i've only just recorded my first video for it which i set ffmpeg to convert to image sequence last night [12:51] but i want it to be not *just* a blog, i want video to be a big (at least equal to text) part of it [12:52] but i should note that i really haven't spent much time on it at all at this point, and i wouldn't say that it is causing any appreciable delays in studio development [12:52] this really scratches a creative itch that i've had for a while [12:53] and i'm not going to stress or be concerned over how well produced everything is in the beginning [12:53] i'll keep refining various aspects over time [12:53] but the main thing is that i just want to *start* [12:53] you really want to use drupal? [12:54] i have to admit that i do not have any preference at this point, knome. my exposure to both wordpress and drupal are extremely limited [12:55] however, my vps offers a turnkey drupal installation, that was the deciding factor [12:55] hmph. installing wordpress is easy even if you had to do it yourself [12:55] it's kinda nice, i go to their panel, select another installation (perhaps wiki or trac) and 1.3936853 minutes later you have a working install on the net [12:56] http://fossmusicproject.org/ is where it is at currently [12:56] the real catalyst for this was seeing a this drupal theme somewhere and i said to myself, "self, that wouldn't be bad for that thing you want to do" and so i spent part of a saturday evening doing it [12:57] heh [13:03] the video that is already there is just a proof-of-concept video that i did in about 4 hours (including setting up video and green screen) with blender [13:03] it is also a proof-of-concept that i could show videos on drupal :P [14:08] scott-work: That's alarming, then, as it is still there in the ubuntustudio-meta package. [14:08] scott-work: re: rtprio.py [14:08] At least one bug is because of this. [14:09] astraljava: i thought i worked with micahg to get it removed :( i cannot recall the specifics of what we did at this moment, but i do remember feeling like we had "fixed" it [14:10] hmmmmm.....maybe we removed it from being called during configuration but not removed from the seeds [14:10] scott-work: I just apt-get source'd ubuntustudio-audio, and there it was still. [14:10] scott-work: A-ha, ok, so then maybe the bug is fixed already. [14:10] hi scott-work [14:11] hello ttoine! :-D [14:11] scott-work: If you can point me to where this was resolved, I could mark the bug as fix released. [14:11] Hi Antoine! LTNS! [14:11] hmmm, astraljava , i can do that,but it would be later today during my lunch as i would need to research a few things, but i think it was in the default-settings package perhaps [14:11] just see your invitation to come on the channel [14:12] it's been a while since I came here last time [14:12] scott-work: It's fine, it's just a little learning experience as well, so no rush. [14:13] It's certainly been a while since I last saw that nick. :) Probably in some logs I was combing through recently. :) [14:14] i think ttoine had a differing of opinion with cory about things, at least that is what i have gathered from mailing list archives [14:14] but i'm glad he's back....oops, he's gone again :P [14:14] astraljava: well, now i'm concerned that we didn't really "fix" this problem [14:17] scott-work: Yeah, that was why he left way back then. [14:17] The Original Three has all vanished now. (10 points for getting the reference there) [14:18] scott-work: I'm talking about the bug #942136 re: rtprio.py [14:18] Launchpad bug 942136 in ubuntustudio-meta (Ubuntu) "package ubuntustudio-audio 0.90 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/942136 [14:18] scott-work: I will try to verify this soon, but my test machines are all in poor conditions at the moment. [14:18] condition* [14:21] re [14:23] hi again ttoine [14:23] xchat don't support the launcher of unity... so come back with xchat-gnome [14:24] scott-work, are you going to release a new version of Ubuntu Studio ? [14:24] ttoine: yes, we are working on 12.04 currently [14:24] great [14:25] I made several trials for audio recording. the current lowlatency is not good enough, but the realtime from abogani is great. without support of restricted drivers unfortunately [14:25] I already started to rewrite the UbuntuStudioPreparation page on the community wiki [14:27] ttoine: What do you think about using Xubuntu as the base for US now? [14:28] I don't know. I always though that the DE has to be the choice of the user [14:29] For myself, I use Unity and find it cool for a day to day use. But it seems that compiz asks for too much power and may be bad for realtime applications, meaning audio, of course [14:30] but as a lot of Linux users for multimedia production do it on old hardware, it is a good choice [14:30] on the french forum linuxmao.org, many howtos are based on Xfce [14:31] scott-work, astraljava, for this release, what were the main focuses ?? [14:33] ttoine: Probably the switching to use a live-dvd has been the biggest difference. [14:34] ttoine: Other things have been smaller tweakings, to provide more pleasing and stable release as compared to 11.10. [14:35] ttoine: You can see the attempted goals in the blueprints @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio [14:36] I am going to read that. [14:36] Great to see that a live dvd is "on the road"... I always was for that [14:36] ttoine: Progress has been tracked in at least some of them. [14:38] someone is working on the website ? [14:52] ttoine: yes, stochastic and i are basically ignoring the website currently, much to knome 's consternation [14:53] ttoine: scott-work and knome have been working on it, some others maybe as well. [14:53] Haha. [14:53] but work has been done and will continue to be as other things get done [14:54] ttoine: i am developing a "long plan" for ubuntu studio [14:54] this and the next cycle are basically what i am terming "foundations" [14:54] ok. It seems a bit broken in Chrome. If you need help, don't hesitate. I will have more time from now, I am jobless and will try to start a business [14:54] we are getting the distro truly functional for a baseline of people [14:54] this cycle has been donig more internal stuff with the OS [14:55] scott-work, it it possible to have a look on this "long plan" ? [14:55] some of that will continue into the next cycle, but i would like a majority of the next cycle to focus on documentation and developing a proper testing procedure [14:55] absolutely, ttoine [14:55] given the limited amount of progress that can be accomplished by a small group in a single cycle, i think it is imperative [14:56] so for documentation I will do my best to help. Look at the UbuntuStudioPreparation, I started to write about all multimedia, not only audio. [14:56] i would like to start exploring how we can further improve the user experience in starting a new project (audio, video, graphic) or opening an existing one [14:56] scott-work, I agree. A long plan is the best. [14:57] ttoine: also, i want video (film work, not just home movies) with post production and compositing to be a big part [14:57] i have also been trying to solicit information about how we can better support graphic artists [14:57] things like using git to host and develop a print magazine (ala libre graphics magazine) [14:58] these will be rolled into work flows developered for certain tasks and then made into seeds which the user can choose to install (or not!) during installation via gui [14:59] in some cases, i.e. better project management for new/existing projects, we will explore many options, e.g. gladish, creating scripts, or possible even pushing innovation to nedko or paul perhaps [15:00] i think a pretty expansive PR campaign once some of these aspects are more developed would greatly benefit ubuntu studio, ubuntu, and linux in general [15:00] this might be in a year [15:00] and we would just need to comment about what is possibel with ubuntu studio in whatever forums or groups we know about [15:00] i ran across a DSLR film making website, that's perfect! [15:00] even an animae remix webstie [15:01] i listen to several podcasts that i want to send information, including the twit network [15:01] but we need ubuntu studio to work well for certain use cases and have developed the user documentation to support them [15:02] and lastely, in my opinion, we need a video presence to really accomplish proper PR in an effective sense [15:02] I always though that we must focus on some use case, the ones we can manage as a small team [15:02] aye [15:02] and use the website to manage a community [15:02] i agree [15:02] i also want to foster discussions later this cycle/early next cycle about where our documentation should be [15:03] It was not possible with the previous leader, that was the main purpose of my retirement of ubuntu studio [15:03] the documetnation could either continue to be on help.ubuntu.com or could go on the new website, there are pros and cons for both [15:03] I think that if we are using Drupal of something like that for the main website, the main documentation should be on the website [15:04] but if we do some documentation on the website, it as to be limited on our main focus use cases, and it has to be illustrated [15:04] not only command line, like on the help wiki [15:04] ttoine: i hope people find that i am open to contributions by others, i have to be as i am neither a robust developers, not have excessive time [15:05] as a lot of people. We all have to work to pay the bill and meal for the family, scott [15:05] i tend to not blindly trust the work of others, i am responsible for ubuntu studio. however, once trust is built then i do tend to not worry [15:07] and i think it is not disingenuous to state that a majority of the develoment/improvements are done by me, which is not an optimal situation [15:07] so i do welcome people who can effectively help :) [15:09] i also admit that the plans and blueprints for precise were create by me without much input from others, however for the Q cycle i would like to greatly increase the input from others [15:09] you don't need to justify [15:10] you have done a lot and it's great [15:10] As you may know, I don't know a lot about application development and packaging. but i can do a lot about testing, writing docs in english and french [15:11] working on the website too, although I am very good on Wordpress, not on Drupal [15:13] But our website seems to be WP, not Drupal. Unless I've misunderstood something. [15:16] astraljava, I won't be so sure. I looked at the source code, and the theme is not where it should be if it would be a wordpress theme [15:18] view-source:https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/ -- [15:18] But, IANAWD. [15:20] the staging.ubuntustudio.org uses WP. not the ubuntustudio.org [15:21] astraljava, the staging.ubuntustudio.org is the work for the next website ? [15:22] Hmm... hasn't gone live, yet, then? [15:22] astraljava, some one is working on a WP theme ? [15:23] ttoine: Don't ask me, I don't work on the web stuff at all. Try knome or scott-work. [15:23] ok [15:23] scott-work, what is the staging.ubuntustudio.org ? Is some one working on a WP theme ? [15:24] astraljava: ttoine : the existing website is in drupal, the new website (for which knome was vastly instrumental) is in word press [15:24] and as astraljava pointed out the new site is in staging :) [15:24] scott-work: When's it going live, then? At release time? [15:24] do knome need help ? [15:25] astraljava: i suppose after we get most of the content in there :/ which will probably be close to release time i predict [15:25] scott-work: ACK. [15:25] ttoine: my understanding is that knome is more or less just waiting for me (and stochastic ) to fill in the content, i do have a vision but not time currently to do this [15:26] scott-work: Note, I wasn't criticising anything, just didn't know the status of it. :) [15:27] scott-work, but at the moment there is no theme... so the problem is not only content... [15:28] astraljava: heheh, i didn't take it any other way, my friend :) [15:28] ttoine: there is a theme, i know that knome was working with RT about fixing some issue with the staging area, but i can see the theme using firefox :/ [15:28] * scott-work is away in a meeting [15:31] scott-work, ok. So maybe I will have a chat with knome as he come on the channel. [15:31] I may help him to fix the theme [16:08] Hmm... got a new temp job for the rest of the week, so I'll work on the bugs over the weekend. [18:15] ttoine, https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/ [18:19] knome: How many times do I need to tell you, pay attention! We've established that much already. :D [18:20] heh [18:20] astraljava, but ttoine said there's no theme, so he must've been looking at http:// [18:22] Ok, but I did paste sources from the secured protocol. Alright, you win this time. *snarl* [18:23] ;)) [18:23] the source for non-secure would say the same [18:23] ;] [18:34] As that one not-to-be-named company recently made the decision on switching from joomla to WP, and now it's going to be the platform-of-choice for US, it seems to be where it's at nowadays. So do you have a site or e-book or whathaveyou to recommend on it? [18:35] I will have to gain considerably more knowledge regarding it. [18:35] astraljava, the WP codex is good... :P [18:35] ...which is? [18:35] http://codex.wordpress.org/ [18:36] Ok, thanks! [18:36] basically it's the online docs [18:37] Figured as much. Alright, something to read during the weekend. Thanks a lot! I'll head off to bed now, going to wake up and watch the Ducks' games before work. [18:38] oki, good night [18:48] Thanks, same to you (in about those 11 hours when you go to sleep). Was nice to see Tom Hanks being a Kings fan. :) Ok, off now for realsies. [18:49] hahah :D [19:19] happy pie day, btw [19:19] errr, 'pi' day [19:20] * knome 'd like some pie [21:04] scott-work: Might as well call it pie day [21:04] A lot of people baking pie today [21:06] ailo, the two are related after all... [21:14] len_: Yep [21:14] I baked bread myself [21:15] Square shaped [21:15] Well, viewed from the top [21:15] I only do that saturday... mine are odd shaped, each one different. [21:16] I'm going to see if todays iso is any better than yesterdays. [22:57] len_, i would be curious about that too, micahg never mentioned that the kernel issue was fixed [22:57] * ScottL is looking at the seeds [22:58] * ScottL didn't mean to imply that it is micah's responsibility as it is not, it is mine [22:58] seeds look the same, i'm guessing today's images are not going to work either