[04:01] <len-nb> ScottL and others, Todays iso (mar13) won't install. Install hangs... see email list for more info. g'night
[04:18] <micahg> ScottL: replacing the headers isn't sufficient to replace the kernel
[04:18]  * micahg should pay more attention to commits
[11:26] <astraljava> micahg: When you have time, please point me to the correct address on finding more out of this us-meta handling. I'm especially puzzled by bug #954468, I cannot find the postinst script anywhere.
[11:27] <knome> hoi astraljava :)
[11:27] <knome> how are you?
[11:27] <astraljava> o/
[11:27] <astraljava> So-so.
[11:27] <astraljava> You?
[11:27] <knome> how did the interviews go?
[11:27] <astraljava> It was fine, but you never know about these things, so I'm still looking.
[11:27] <knome> mmh, okayish too, wondering if i should apply for a job too :P
[11:28] <astraljava> Business been slow recently?
[11:28] <knome> yeah. a few weeks has been really slow. i'm working on stuff again though
[11:28] <knome> and it's more about mental health than money issues :P
[11:29] <knome> i, and especially wife, think(s) that i need to get out of the house more :P
[11:29] <astraljava> Alright, well, good luck with that. It's a little easier for you, though. There are tons of web dev jobs out there, ones I cannot apply for.
[11:29] <astraljava> Ahh... ok.
[11:29] <astraljava> I can understand that.
[11:29] <knome> well i'm not applying for those. i want to do web dev on my own :)
[11:30] <astraljava> knome: Have a look at #952462, some of your guys could probably help us with that.
[11:30] <astraljava> Erhm... bug #952462.
[11:30] <knome> astraljava, yeah. poke ochosi
[11:30] <astraljava> Colin mentions Xfce's session handling in one of the bug comments.
[11:30] <astraljava> Ok, thanks.
[11:30] <knome> afaik that's simply a theming issue
[11:31] <knome> but hey, how do i know... i didn't fix it :)
[11:31] <scott-work> micahg: ack'd
[11:32]  * scott-work feels kinda stupid about that one
[11:32] <scott-work> hi knome 
[11:32] <knome> hey scott-work :)
[11:32] <scott-work> how are you this....early afternoon?
[11:32] <astraljava> Heheh, you're getting better at this. :)
[11:32] <knome> okayish, as i were a few mins ago when astraljava asked ;)
[11:33] <astraljava> Hmm... supermario has commented on it, with a probable fix. I might look into this later today.
[11:33] <knome> mmh
[11:34] <astraljava> maybe_ubiquity. Who comes up with these package names?! :D
[11:34] <knome> super mario scored 4 goals yesterday
[11:34] <knome> champions league, bayern vs. basel
[11:34] <astraljava> I watched the other game.
[11:34] <astraljava> Well, drowsed through rather than watched.
[11:34] <knome> b/b vas really entertaining
[11:34] <scott-work> i probably should look at the repeating bug reports for etiher ubuntustudio-menu or ubuntustudio-audio packages
[11:35] <scott-work> but so many other things to do currently to get 12.04 ready :/
[11:35] <astraljava> Could have been, I just knew I wasn't gonna survive it anyhow, so felt it woulda been wrong to even try and watch it.
[11:35] <astraljava> scott-work: I'll try and work on the bugs, cause it's about the only thing I can do at the moment.
[11:35] <astraljava> scott-work: You can concentrate on the more important issues.
[11:36] <scott-work> i think i'd like to summarize all the effort we went through this cycle at some point, make a post about it
[11:36] <scott-work> there was a lot of effort this cycle, probably more so than the last three combined
[11:37] <knome> speaking of effort, where are we with the website?
[11:37] <astraljava> scott-work: Is the ubiquity tasks selection available in the installer nowadays?
[11:37] <astraljava> scott-work: I see pitti commenting on my bug, but I haven't had time to check the image so far.
[11:37] <knome> also, scott-work, did you do some changes to the slideshow branch under ubuntustudio team? i need to push those to the main branch
[11:38] <scott-work> astraljava: no, i really haven't pushed it at this point and was resigned to this happening next cycle
[11:38] <scott-work> knome: i have made any appreciable progress on the website
[11:38] <astraljava> scott-work: Ok, I'm fine with that. It really didn't get that much love this cycle, sorry about that.
[11:39] <scott-work> knome: i want to finish the menu/panels tonight, then hopefully by weekend i will have changes for the slideshow, i'm about 1/2 way there now but would like to review what i did...
[11:39] <scott-work> i know that my text for the audio slide was waaaay too specific, especially as i moved into video and graphics
[11:39] <astraljava> Wonder why a lot of the bugs show installation media as Xubuntu 12.04 LTS "Precise Pangolin" - Alpha i386 (20120303), when installing ubuntustudio-audio.
[11:39] <scott-work> astraljava: i was wondering about that as well
[11:40] <scott-work> knome:  when would the cut off be for getting the slide stuff done
[11:40]  * scott-work wishes he was secretely wealthy and didn't have to actually work to support himself and could dedicated to more enjoyable persuits...like music, art, and ubuntu studio ;)
[11:42] <knome> scott-work, i suppose language pack deadlines, but if you can make it happen by beta2, that would be good
[11:42] <knome> scott-work, should check all this with dylan mccall if you want a specific date
[11:42] <astraljava> scott-work: I'm pretty sure you're not alone with that wish.
[11:47] <astraljava> Damnit, I have no idea how to debug these ubuntustudio-meta related bugs. Where can I find the source file for editing depends/recommends, for instance? I'm pretty sure we'd need to add python-changesettings to depends so that us-audio's rtprio.py won't fail because of missing module for import changesettings.
[11:48]  * astraljava goes outside while it's still nice and sunny
[11:48]  * knome goes eating before the headache starts
[11:50] <scott-work> sometimes it is frustrating though, i might leave work late, get the kids home, cook dinner, get daughter to do homework, clean up kitchen/house, and then....
[11:50] <scott-work> a) just get really fooking tired
[11:50] <scott-work> b) have to deal with one of the kids either acting bad or just needing attention
[11:50] <scott-work> c) or realize it's already time for bed
[11:51] <scott-work> i have all these things piling up that i want to get done and i feel the pressure quite acutely, but sometimes there just isn't enough time
[11:52] <scott-work> astraljava: hmmmm, for precise we removed rtprio.py because it appeared to be trying to solve the same problem that was addressed by jack with the debconf question about -rt privileges
[11:52] <scott-work> and actually doing it wrong now ;)
[11:52] <scott-work> i.e. it was creating the old configure file, i'll find it
[11:53] <scott-work> if set, it should be located in /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf now instead of /etc/security/limits.conf 
[11:53] <scott-work> that was a quote from somewhere (actually my quote)
[11:53] <scott-work> but it looked like rtprio.py was settings the limits.conf file and jack/debcon was using audio.conf (which i presume to be the "correct" way since it is a new implementation)
[11:57] <scott-work> at some point i had wanted to see if any new plugin packages were added since last cycle
[11:57] <scott-work> i wonder if there is an easy way to see which packages have been added recently
[12:32] <scott-work> sorry, i realize i was whinging earlier
[12:38] <knome> scott-work, np :P
[12:48] <scott-work> well, i just i have an admission to make as well...
[12:49] <scott-work> (queue suspensful music)
[12:49] <scott-work> *dum dum dummmmmm*
[12:49] <scott-work> i've been kinda working on another, but similar and aligned, project
[12:49] <scott-work> although it hasn't really taken much time at this point
[12:50] <scott-work> what i'm working on is a drupal website that will focus on showing people how to create media or content with libre tools
[12:50] <scott-work> it's kinda a crappy website (really!) at the moment
[12:50] <scott-work> and i've only just recorded my first video for it which i set ffmpeg to convert to image sequence last night
[12:51] <scott-work> but i want it to be not *just* a blog, i want video to be a big (at least equal to text) part of it
[12:52] <scott-work> but i should note that i really haven't spent much time on it at all at this point, and i wouldn't say that it is causing any appreciable delays in studio development
[12:52] <scott-work> this really scratches a creative itch that i've had for a while
[12:53] <scott-work> and i'm not going to stress or be concerned over how well produced everything is in the beginning
[12:53] <scott-work> i'll keep refining various aspects over time
[12:53] <scott-work> but the main thing is that i just want to *start*
[12:53] <knome> you really want to use drupal?
[12:54] <scott-work> i have to admit that i do not have any preference at this point, knome.  my exposure to both wordpress and drupal are extremely limited
[12:55] <scott-work> however, my vps offers a turnkey drupal installation, that was the deciding factor
[12:55] <knome> hmph. installing wordpress is easy even if you had to do it yourself
[12:55] <scott-work> it's kinda nice, i go to their panel, select another installation (perhaps wiki or trac) and 1.3936853 minutes later you have a working install on the net
[12:56] <scott-work> http://fossmusicproject.org/ is where it is at currently
[12:56] <scott-work> the real catalyst for this was seeing a this drupal theme somewhere and i said to myself, "self, that wouldn't be bad for that thing you want to do" and so i spent part of a saturday evening doing it
[12:57] <knome> heh
[13:03] <scott-work> the video that is already there is just a proof-of-concept video that i did in about 4 hours (including setting up video and green screen) with blender
[13:03] <scott-work> it is also a proof-of-concept that i could show videos on drupal :P
[14:08] <astraljava> scott-work: That's alarming, then, as it is still there in the ubuntustudio-meta package.
[14:08] <astraljava> scott-work: re: rtprio.py
[14:08] <astraljava> At least one bug is because of this.
[14:09] <scott-work> astraljava: i thought i worked with micahg to get it removed :(  i cannot recall the specifics of what we did at this moment, but i do remember feeling like we had "fixed" it
[14:10] <scott-work> hmmmmm.....maybe we removed it from being called during configuration but not removed from the seeds
[14:10] <astraljava> scott-work: I just apt-get source'd ubuntustudio-audio, and there it was still.
[14:10] <astraljava> scott-work: A-ha, ok, so then maybe the bug is fixed already.
[14:10] <ttoine> hi scott-work 
[14:11] <scott-work> hello ttoine!  :-D
[14:11] <astraljava> scott-work: If you can point me to where this was resolved, I could mark the bug as fix released.
[14:11] <astraljava> Hi Antoine! LTNS!
[14:11] <scott-work> hmmm, astraljava , i can do that,but it would be later today during my lunch as i would need to research a few things, but i think it was in the default-settings package perhaps
[14:11] <ttoine> just see your invitation to come on the channel
[14:12] <ttoine> it's been a while since I came here last time
[14:12] <astraljava> scott-work: It's fine, it's just a little learning experience as well, so no rush.
[14:13] <astraljava> It's certainly been a while since I last saw that nick. :) Probably in some logs I was combing through recently. :)
[14:14] <scott-work> i think ttoine had a differing of opinion with cory about things, at least that is what i have gathered from mailing list archives
[14:14] <scott-work> but i'm glad he's back....oops, he's gone again :P
[14:14] <scott-work> astraljava: well, now i'm concerned that we didn't really "fix" this problem
[14:17] <astraljava> scott-work: Yeah, that was why he left way back then.
[14:17] <astraljava> The Original Three has all vanished now. (10 points for getting the reference there)
[14:18] <astraljava> scott-work: I'm talking about the bug #942136 re: rtprio.py
[14:18] <astraljava> scott-work: I will try to verify this soon, but my test machines are all in poor conditions at the moment.
[14:18] <astraljava> condition*
[14:21] <ttoine> re
[14:23] <scott-work> hi again ttoine 
[14:23] <ttoine> xchat don't support the launcher of unity... so come back with xchat-gnome
[14:24] <ttoine> scott-work, are you going to release a new version of Ubuntu Studio ?
[14:24] <scott-work> ttoine: yes, we are working on 12.04 currently
[14:24] <ttoine> great
[14:25] <ttoine> I made several trials for audio recording. the current lowlatency is not good enough, but the realtime from abogani is great. without support of restricted drivers unfortunately
[14:25] <ttoine> I already started to rewrite the UbuntuStudioPreparation page on the community wiki
[14:27] <astraljava> ttoine: What do you think about using Xubuntu as the base for US now?
[14:28] <ttoine> I don't know. I always though that the DE has to be the choice of the user
[14:29] <ttoine> For myself, I use Unity and find it cool for a day to day use. But it seems that compiz asks for too much power and may be bad for realtime applications, meaning audio, of course
[14:30] <ttoine> but as a lot of Linux users for multimedia production do it on old hardware, it is a good choice
[14:30] <ttoine> on the french forum linuxmao.org, many howtos are based on Xfce
[14:31] <ttoine> scott-work, astraljava, for this release, what were the main focuses ??
[14:33] <astraljava> ttoine: Probably the switching to use a live-dvd has been the biggest difference.
[14:34] <astraljava> ttoine: Other things have been smaller tweakings, to provide more pleasing and stable release as compared to 11.10.
[14:35] <astraljava> ttoine: You can see the attempted goals in the blueprints @ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/topic-precise-flavor-ubuntu-studio
[14:36] <ttoine> I am going to read that.
[14:36] <ttoine> Great to see that a live dvd is "on the road"... I always was for that
[14:36] <astraljava> ttoine: Progress has been tracked in at least some of them.
[14:38] <ttoine> someone is working on the website ?
[14:52] <scott-work> ttoine: yes, stochastic and i are basically ignoring the website currently, much to knome 's consternation
[14:53] <astraljava> ttoine: scott-work and knome have been working on it, some others maybe as well.
[14:53] <astraljava> Haha.
[14:53] <scott-work> but work has been done and will continue to be as other things get done
[14:54] <scott-work> ttoine: i am developing a "long plan" for ubuntu studio
[14:54] <scott-work> this and the next cycle are basically what i am terming "foundations"
[14:54] <ttoine> ok. It seems a bit broken in Chrome. If you need help, don't hesitate. I will have more time from now, I am jobless and will try to start a business
[14:54] <scott-work> we are getting the distro truly functional for a baseline of people
[14:54] <scott-work> this cycle has been donig more internal stuff with the OS
[14:55] <ttoine> scott-work, it it possible to have a look on this "long plan" ?
[14:55] <scott-work> some of that will continue into the next cycle, but i would like a majority of the next cycle to focus on documentation and developing a proper testing procedure
[14:55] <scott-work> absolutely, ttoine 
[14:55] <scott-work> given the limited amount of progress that can be accomplished by a small group in a single cycle, i think it is imperative
[14:56] <ttoine> so for documentation I will do my best to help. Look at the UbuntuStudioPreparation, I started to write about all multimedia, not only audio.
[14:56] <scott-work> i would like to start exploring how we can further improve the user experience in starting a new project (audio, video, graphic) or opening an existing one
[14:56] <ttoine> scott-work, I agree. A long plan is the best.
[14:57] <scott-work> ttoine: also, i want video (film work, not just home movies) with post production and compositing to be a big part
[14:57] <scott-work> i have also been trying to solicit information about how we can better support graphic artists
[14:57] <scott-work> things like using git to host and develop a print magazine (ala libre graphics magazine)
[14:58] <scott-work> these will be rolled into work flows developered for certain tasks and then made into seeds which the user can choose to install (or not!) during installation via gui
[14:59] <scott-work> in some cases, i.e. better project management for new/existing projects, we will explore many options, e.g. gladish, creating scripts, or possible even pushing innovation to nedko or paul perhaps
[15:00] <scott-work> i think a pretty expansive PR campaign once some of these aspects are more developed would greatly benefit ubuntu studio, ubuntu, and linux in general
[15:00] <scott-work> this might be in a year
[15:00] <scott-work> and we would just need to comment about what is possibel with ubuntu studio in whatever forums or groups we know about
[15:00] <scott-work> i ran across a DSLR film making website, that's perfect!
[15:00] <scott-work> even an animae remix webstie
[15:01] <scott-work> i listen to several podcasts that i want to send information, including the twit network
[15:01] <scott-work> but we need ubuntu studio to work well for certain use cases and have developed the user documentation to support them
[15:02] <scott-work> and lastely, in my opinion, we need a video presence to really accomplish proper PR in an effective sense
[15:02] <ttoine> I always though that we must focus on some use case, the ones we can manage as a small team
[15:02] <scott-work> aye
[15:02] <ttoine> and use the website to manage a community
[15:02] <scott-work> i agree
[15:02] <scott-work> i also want to foster discussions later this cycle/early next cycle about where our documentation should be
[15:03] <ttoine> It was not possible with the previous leader, that was the main purpose of my retirement of ubuntu studio
[15:03] <scott-work> the documetnation could either continue to be on help.ubuntu.com or could go on the new website, there are pros and cons for both
[15:03] <ttoine> I think that if we are using Drupal of something like that for the main website, the main documentation should be on the website
[15:04] <ttoine> but if we do some documentation on the website, it as to be limited on our main focus use cases, and it has to be illustrated
[15:04] <ttoine> not only command line, like on the help wiki
[15:04] <scott-work> ttoine:  i hope people find that i am open to contributions by others, i have to be as i am neither a robust developers, not have excessive time
[15:05] <ttoine> as a lot of people. We all have to work to pay the bill and meal for the family, scott
[15:05] <scott-work> i tend to not blindly trust the work of others, i am responsible for ubuntu studio.  however, once trust is built then i do tend to not worry
[15:07] <scott-work> and i think it is not disingenuous to state that a majority of the develoment/improvements are done by me, which is not an optimal situation
[15:07] <scott-work> so i do welcome people who can effectively help :)
[15:09] <scott-work> i also admit that the plans and blueprints for precise were create by me without much input from others, however for the Q cycle i would like to greatly increase the input from others
[15:09] <ttoine> you don't need to justify
[15:10] <ttoine> you have done a lot and it's great
[15:10] <ttoine> As you may know, I don't know a lot about application development and packaging. but i can do a lot about testing, writing docs in english and french
[15:11] <ttoine> working on the website too, although I am very good on Wordpress, not on Drupal
[15:13] <astraljava> But our website seems to be WP, not Drupal. Unless I've misunderstood something.
[15:16] <ttoine> astraljava, I won't be so sure. I looked at the source code, and the theme is not where it should be if it would be a wordpress theme
[15:18] <astraljava> view-source:https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/ -- <meta name="generator" content="WordPress 3.3.1" />
[15:18] <astraljava> But, IANAWD.
[15:20] <ttoine> the staging.ubuntustudio.org uses WP. not the ubuntustudio.org
[15:21] <ttoine> astraljava, the staging.ubuntustudio.org is the work for the next website ?
[15:22] <astraljava> Hmm... hasn't gone live, yet, then?
[15:22] <ttoine> astraljava, some one is working on a WP theme ?
[15:23] <astraljava> ttoine: Don't ask me, I don't work on the web stuff at all. Try knome or scott-work.
[15:23] <ttoine> ok
[15:23] <ttoine> scott-work, what is the staging.ubuntustudio.org ? Is some one working on a WP theme ?
[15:24] <scott-work> astraljava: ttoine :  the existing website is in drupal, the new website (for which knome was vastly instrumental) is in word press
[15:24] <scott-work> and as astraljava pointed out the new site is in staging :)
[15:24] <astraljava> scott-work: When's it going live, then? At release time?
[15:24] <ttoine> do knome need help ?
[15:25] <scott-work> astraljava: i suppose after we get most of the content in there :/  which will probably be close to release time i predict
[15:25] <astraljava> scott-work: ACK.
[15:25] <scott-work> ttoine: my understanding is that knome is more or less just waiting for me (and stochastic ) to fill in the content, i do have a vision but not time currently to do this
[15:26] <astraljava> scott-work: Note, I wasn't criticising anything, just didn't know the status of it. :)
[15:27] <ttoine> scott-work,  but at the moment there is no theme... so the problem is not only content...
[15:28] <scott-work> astraljava: heheh, i didn't take it any other way, my friend :)
[15:28] <scott-work> ttoine: there is a theme, i know that knome was working with RT about fixing some issue with the staging area, but i can see the theme using firefox :/
[15:28]  * scott-work is away in a meeting
[15:31] <ttoine> scott-work, ok. So maybe I will have a chat with knome as he come on the channel.
[15:31] <ttoine> I may help him to fix the theme
[16:08] <astraljava> Hmm... got a new temp job for the rest of the week, so I'll work on the bugs over the weekend.
[18:15] <knome> ttoine, https://staging.ubuntustudio.org/
[18:19] <astraljava> knome: How many times do I need to tell you, pay attention! We've established that much already. :D
[18:20] <knome> heh
[18:20] <knome> astraljava, but ttoine said there's no theme, so he must've been looking at http://
[18:22] <astraljava> Ok, but I did paste sources from the secured protocol. Alright, you win this time. *snarl*
[18:23] <knome> ;))
[18:23] <knome> the source for non-secure would say the same
[18:23] <knome> ;]
[18:34] <astraljava> As that one not-to-be-named company recently made the decision on switching from joomla to WP, and now it's going to be the platform-of-choice for US, it seems to be where it's at nowadays. So do you have a site or e-book or whathaveyou to recommend on it?
[18:35] <astraljava> I will have to gain considerably more knowledge regarding it.
[18:35] <knome> astraljava, the WP codex is good... :P
[18:35] <astraljava> ...which is?
[18:35] <knome> http://codex.wordpress.org/
[18:36] <astraljava> Ok, thanks!
[18:36] <knome> basically it's the online docs
[18:37] <astraljava> Figured as much. Alright, something to read during the weekend. Thanks a lot! I'll head off to bed now, going to wake up and watch the Ducks' games before work.
[18:38] <knome> oki, good night
[18:48] <astraljava> Thanks, same to you (in about those 11 hours when you go to sleep). Was nice to see Tom Hanks being a Kings fan. :) Ok, off now for realsies.
[18:49] <knome> hahah :D
[19:19] <scott-work> happy pie day, btw
[19:19] <scott-work> errr, 'pi' day
[19:20]  * knome 'd like some pie
[21:04] <ailo> scott-work: Might as well call it pie day
[21:04] <ailo> A lot of people baking pie today
[21:06] <len_> ailo, the two are related after all...
[21:14] <ailo> len_: Yep
[21:14] <ailo> I baked bread myself
[21:15] <ailo> Square shaped
[21:15] <ailo> Well, viewed from the top
[21:15] <len_> I only do that saturday... mine are odd shaped, each one different.
[21:16] <len_> I'm going to see if todays iso is any better than yesterdays.
[22:57] <ScottL> len_, i would be curious about that too, micahg never mentioned that the kernel issue was fixed
[22:57]  * ScottL is looking at the seeds
[22:58]  * ScottL didn't mean to imply that it is micah's responsibility as it is not, it is mine
[22:58] <ScottL> seeds look the same, i'm guessing today's images are not going to work either