[00:01] <grmls> hi
[08:20] <shadeslayer> "Error in file "/usr/share/applications/kde4/ktp-send-file.desktop": "all/allfiles" is an invalid MIME type ("all" is an unregistered media type)"
[08:20] <shadeslayer> Wouldn't that be a upstream issue?
[08:20] <shadeslayer> and digikam failed at 96%
[08:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I expect it's an issue with shared-mime-info
[08:23] <Riddell> and whatever we have that valides that
[08:29] <shadeslayer> http://cl.ly/1l3k37180C2Z2X2v2I0A
[08:29] <shadeslayer> :S
[08:31] <Riddell> error: no matching function for call to 'Digikam::SearchXmlWriter::writeValue(QList<float>&)'
[08:31] <Riddell> what is there a matching function for?
[08:31] <Riddell> writeValue(QList<double>) ?
[08:32] <shadeslayer> sec, Iooking at the file
[08:34] <shadeslayer>     void writeValue(const QList<double>& valueList, int precision = 8);
[08:34] <shadeslayer> should be qreal
[08:44] <Riddell> yes
[08:45] <shadeslayer> they actually supply qreal to writeValue, but the signature accepts double :P
[08:47] <Riddell> aye, and qreal is float on arm so they are passing float to double
[08:48] <shadeslayer> yep, I also see a couple of other functions that return double .... but then the function is called fooTodouble() ...
[08:49] <Riddell> tsk, programmers making assumptions
[08:53] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/440150/
[08:54] <shadeslayer> as expected
[08:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: slap some qreal()s in there?
[08:55] <shadeslayer> yeah
[08:57] <Riddell> "Subject: [Owncloud] Packaging help needed for syncing Client"  little (well not that little) todo there
[09:00] <Sifrazooy> hi every body , i will go to my question directly , i want to implement new panels like the ones already on KDE but with adding some functionality on them does any one knows where i can start
[09:00] <Sifrazooy> knowing that this panels will have some sort of icons that will change their state continuly
[09:04] <Riddell> Sifrazooy: that's a question for Plasma folks, in #plasma or plasma-devel mailing list
[09:06] <Sifrazooy> Riddell: thnx again :D
[09:10] <tim> hi, after the recent upgrade to kde 4.8, bitmap some bitmap fonts are a bit corrupted: http://static.inky.ws/image/1498/image.jpg
[09:11] <tim> i'm usually using anonymous pro for coding and below 10.2 pt, the rendering has some artifacts. above that i suppose the font is not bitmapped anymore and it looks good again
[09:12] <tim> it happens on a kde desktop, but also with qt applications (this is from qtcreator)
[09:12] <Riddell> people still use bitmapped fonts?  didn't they go out with the 20th century?
[09:12] <Riddell> what version of qt do you have?
[09:13] <tim> Riddell: for small sizes, bitmapped fonts are actually more precise to read (imo) as they are less blurry
[09:14] <tim> let me see
[09:14] <tim> 4.8.0-1ubuntu8-~oneiric1~ppa1
[09:15] <Riddell> mm so it might be an issue with qt 4.8
[09:15] <Riddell> tim: well there's no paticular font expertese on this channel I'm afriad, I'd recommending checking with sladen who's the font guy for ubuntu
[09:17] <tim> i just tried gedit ... that displays these fonts correctly
[09:17] <tim> ok
[09:17] <Riddell> he needs to get qt working for fonts as well as gtk, all of ubuntu uses qt
[09:17] <tim> where is the right place to write a bug report for kubuntu backports
[09:17] <tim> ?
[09:18] <Riddell> we don't really take feature bugs in backports, you'd need to test in precise (KDE bugs can go to KDE and Qt bugs to Qt of course)
[09:19] <tim> unfortunately i am quite busy these days, so testing precise is not really an option for me at the moment
[09:20] <Riddell> it is the case for us all alas
[09:20] <Riddell> tim: but do point sladen towards your font and ask him if he can recreate in qt in precise
[09:26] <Riddell> fregl: any timetable for 4.8.1?  tsdgeos is keen to get in thai fixes so he can write without using spaces
[09:27] <fregl> Riddell: I think there was a mail on the qt-devel list... let me check. but as usual no explicit time table. that is supposed to change with 5... but for 4 I have no clue.
[09:28] <fregl> Qt 4.8.1 release during week 11/2012
[09:28] <fregl> hm, is that digia and commercial?
[09:30] <Riddell> I don't think I have a calendar which can convert weeks into numbers
[09:30] <fregl> Riddell: you're not using plasma?
[09:30] <Riddell> oh yes there is it
[09:31] <fregl> it's such a required tool, once you're stuck in corporate machinery :p
[09:31] <Riddell> fregl: well 11/2012 is this week so will it appear in the next day?
[09:31] <fregl> so that sounds like next week
[09:31] <Riddell> ok that sounds good
[09:31] <fregl> oh, this week
[09:32] <fregl> well, check the mailing list... from tagging to final it always takes a while, but I guess it means soon
[09:32] <fregl> development@qt-project.org is your friend
[09:32] <Riddell> sounds safe to assume it's before ubuntu is released which is lovely
[09:35] <Mamarok> dear Kubuntu devs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/955826
[09:35] <Mamarok> reproducible every time
[09:35] <Mamarok> crashes immediately after login
[09:36] <tsdgeos> Mamarok: works here
[09:36] <tsdgeos> i get kactivitymanagerd crashes though
[09:36] <tsdgeos> or something like that
[09:37] <Riddell> I think Mamarok's crash is do with something not installed
[09:37] <Mamarok> tsdgeos: you use precise?
[09:37] <Riddell> something around activity manager
[09:37] <tsdgeos> Mamarok: yes
[09:37] <Mamarok> Riddell: I didn't remove anything AFAIK
[09:38] <Riddell> no it probably needs a dependency added
[09:38] <Riddell> bug milestoned
[09:50] <fregl> tsdgeos: I've seen that kactivitymanagerd crash quite a few time as well
[10:18] <Riddell> agateau: how do I set autolog in lightdm?
[10:18] <agateau> Riddell: you use the kcm?
[10:19] <agateau> Riddell: or rather, you wait for me to update the package to contain the latest kcm
[10:19] <agateau> the one which works
[10:19] <Riddell> agateau: remind me again where the kcm is?
[10:19] <Riddell> agateau: easiest way is if you just give me the values needed in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf so I can put them on the CD
[10:20] <agateau> Riddell: ah, can do
[10:20] <agateau> Riddell: are you switching the CD to use lightdm???
[10:20] <Riddell> agateau: kubuntu active
[10:20] <agateau> oooh, nice
[10:21] <agateau> so you need to create a [SeatDefaults] section
[10:21] <agateau> and add autologin-user=true to it
[10:21] <agateau> mmm no
[10:22] <agateau> autologin-user=<insert name of user here>
[10:23] <Riddell> agateau: that's it?
[10:23] <agateau> Riddell: should be, yes
[10:24] <Riddell> ok let me try
[10:41] <Riddell> agateau: this works on my installed system http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.conf
[10:41] <Riddell> agateau: but this doesn't work on the ISO http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.conf-kubuntu-active
[10:43] <agateau> Riddell: I take it you checked the user name twice
[10:43] <Riddell> agateau: I can log in fine as "kubuntu-active" manually
[10:44] <agateau> Riddell: anything interesting in /var/log/lightdm?
[10:44] <Riddell> agateau: let me reboot and see
[10:50] <Riddell> agateau: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.log
[10:50] <Riddell> failed to load session ubuntu.desktop   is that it?
[10:51] <agateau> it's trying to start ubuntu, not kubuntu-active
[10:51] <agateau> mmm
[10:51] <Riddell> yes if I copy the active .desktop file to ubuntu.desktop it logs in
[10:52] <Riddell> now why would that be I wonder
[10:52] <agateau> you could try to set autologin-session=active, but iirc support for this key is not implemented yet
[10:52]  * agateau checks
[10:54] <Riddell> it's currently autologin-session=lightdm-autologin
[10:54] <Riddell> what will that run?
[10:54] <agateau> I have no idea. where did you get that from?
[10:54] <agateau> try "user-session=active"
[10:55] <Riddell> casper is the live CD script that sets up lightdm.conf
[10:55] <agateau> (assuming there is a /usr/share/xsessions/active.desktop file)
[10:55] <Riddell> there is plasma-active.desktop
[10:55] <Riddell> so I set =plasma-active
[10:55] <agateau> I confirm the "autologin-session" key is not implemented anyway
[10:55] <Riddell> but it does not log in
[10:56] <agateau> damn
[10:56] <agateau> did you set autologin-session or user-session?
[10:56] <Riddell> and it still tried to load ubuntu.desktop
[10:56] <Riddell> autologin-session=plasma-active
[10:56] <Riddell> so something is making it load ubuntu.desktop and I don't know what
[10:57] <agateau> autologin-session is not implemented, try user-session
[10:57] <agateau> Riddell: probably that line: dh_auto_configure -- --with-greeter-user=lightdm --with-user-session=ubuntu
[10:57] <agateau> in lightdm debian/rules
[10:58] <Riddell> agateau: no change with user-session=plasma-active
[10:58] <Riddell> agateau: ok so it's compiled into the thing, that's a bit crazy
[10:58] <Riddell> why does it work for my installed system then?
[10:59] <Riddell> I can change casper to cp plasma-active.desktop ubuntu.desktop  so it's easy to workaround
[10:59] <Riddell> but not very elegant
[10:59] <agateau> Riddell: I think the ./configure option is just a default settings
[10:59] <agateau> I would have expected user-session=plasma-active to override it :/
[11:00] <Riddell> no change
[11:01] <Riddell> well I can work around that
[11:01] <Riddell> the next problem is why plasma-device doesn't start
[11:02] <agateau> Riddell: you should ask Robert Ancell about this user-session settings
[11:02] <agateau> lunch time, bbiab
[11:23] <shadeslayer> oh man, digikam is such a PITA on ARM
[11:24] <Riddell> it doesn't beat calligra I'm sure
[11:24] <shadeslayer> Haven't tried out calligra, so can't really say :P
[11:24] <shadeslayer> digikam uses double all over the place
[11:24] <Riddell> took me about 10 uploads to get it working
[11:24] <Riddell> graphics programmes are the worst, krita is the pain in calligra
[11:24] <shadeslayer> I've been refactoring stuff ...
[11:24] <Riddell> erk
[11:25] <Riddell> don't be afraid to just disable stuff if that's easiest
[11:25] <shadeslayer> Mostly replacing double with qreal
[11:25] <shadeslayer> methods having double as the return value
[11:25] <Riddell> that's very common indeed
[11:26] <Riddell> hmm usually it should cast that magically
[11:26] <shadeslayer> why can't they just typedeft double to float in gcc/g++ ?
[11:26] <shadeslayer> dunno, everything keeps failing
[11:26] <Riddell> it mostly does cast it magically as I say, but qmax(X, Y) can't be done because X and Y can both be either double or real so it doesn't know which to use
[11:27] <Riddell> and i think there are more issues gcc has added recently
[11:28] <shadeslayer> atleast I figured out how to get a armel pbuilder setup
[11:28] <shadeslayer> don't have to bug ScottK every 2-3 hours :P
[11:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: surely you just log into his machines and it's the same as any pbuilder?
[11:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uh, nope, I don't have access to the arm boxes yet
[11:32] <shadeslayer> Maybe after tomorrow I'll get the required access
[11:32] <Riddell> oh I see
[11:33] <shadeslayer> Altho, I don't think it'll be any faster than building on my machine
[11:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what machine do you have?
[11:33] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 2.1 GHz dual core x86_64
[11:33] <shadeslayer> uses qemu-arm-static to do magical stuff
[11:34] <Riddell> oh I didn't know about that
[11:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: able to test our arm images on it? :)
[11:35] <shadeslayer> uh, don't know it doesn't have X
[11:35] <shadeslayer> I can try and setup a VM on my machine
[11:35] <Riddell> well add that to your todo list after fixing all the compile failures :)
[11:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: if you have a powerful machine : pbuilder-dist precise armel create  
[11:40] <shadeslayer> works on sid, haven't tried it out on ubuntu yet
[11:40] <shadeslayer> then : pbuilder-dist precise armel build foo.dsc
[11:43] <Riddell> on sid?  what is this non ubuntu distro thing?
[11:44] <shadeslayer> heh, for some reason all my endavors on getting a armel pbuilder up on ubuntu failed
[11:44] <shadeslayer> I think because of D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, but I'm not sure
[11:45] <Riddell> pesky ubuntu, real men use debian
[11:45] <Riddell> (appologies for the sexism ladies)
[11:45] <shadeslayer> haha
[11:49] <Tm_T> Riddell: you meant to say that real men respect women? (=
[11:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do we have ARM plasma active images?
[11:54] <shadeslayer> I wonder if vbox will boot img.gz files
[11:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no, not until we know we have working images in i386 and something to test them on
[11:56] <Riddell> Tm_T: actualy I did just have a phone call offering me £6000 if I respect women, so it pays off :)
[11:56] <shadeslayer> ah
[11:56] <shadeslayer> bulldog98 has a WeTab I believe
[11:59] <Riddell> casper 1.311 and kubuntu-active-meta 1.3 uploaded, one those arrive I can rebuild images and it'll all just work!
[12:01] <Tm_T> Riddell: nice
[12:08] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[12:28] <shadeslayer> hi BluesKaj
[12:28] <shadeslayer> w00t digikam at 97%
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hey shadeslayer
[12:33] <shadeslayer> gtg cya later everyone
[12:41] <BluesKaj> later shadeslayer
[12:53] <Mamarok> who is this ensane94 person on the Kubuntu mailing list? His mails are more than puzzling
[12:54] <Tm_T> Mamarok: ahha, that's where Insanity have gone from IRC
[12:54] <Tm_T> has
[12:54] <bulldog98_> shadeslayer: what should I test
[12:57] <Mamarok> I put that guy on moderation, his mails are total nonesense
[12:57] <Tm_T> ultimate version?
[13:04] <Mamarok> claydoh, Riddell: I put ensane94@gmail.com on moderation FYI
[13:09] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: plasma active on x86
[13:09] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: iso link?
[13:09] <bulldog98> please
[13:09]  * shadeslayer needs to figure out how to install certain files only on one arch
[13:10] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/current/
[13:10] <shadeslayer> But Riddell said that he's going to respin the images today
[13:10] <shadeslayer> so I guess wait for him to give the OK
[13:12] <bulldog98> Riddell: ping me if  you have the new images up
[13:14] <Tm_T> Mamarok: urrh, kubuntu-users mailinglist is strange place
[13:14] <Mamarok> yes
[13:17]  * shadeslayer scratches his head a bit
[13:19]  * BluesKaj stays away from mailing lists , probly verbotten for me anyway ...don't think I'm a member ...seems to have to 15 different groups to see what is really going on :)
[13:20] <BluesKaj> be a member of 
[13:22] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: why would that be forbidden? It's a Kubuntu users support list, no need to be member
[13:23] <koolhead17> Riddell: around
[13:23] <BluesKaj> I'm really quite surprised at the hierarchy set up in the ubuntu organization ...doesn't seem to reflect the open source philosophy , iMO
[13:34] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: well, Ubuntu is a "meriotcracy"
[13:34] <BluesKaj> Mamarok,  yeah , sure  :) 
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: poke
[13:39] <shadeslayer> if we have a arch all package that is not building on armel, will the build fail on the buildd? 
[13:40] <shadeslayer> eg: kipi-plugins-common fails on armel, but is a arch all package
[13:40] <shadeslayer> fails because it can't find ogl.png which is in the install file
[13:45] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: for what I can see, Ubuntu's hierarchy is kind of meritocracy with added democracy, so I don't see it being far (if at all) from "open source philosophy" (:
[13:46] <BluesKaj> of course , you have to defend the the position Tm_T , I understand that  ...it was merely an observation o9n my part 
[13:49] <Tm_T> I don't defend
[13:49] <Tm_T> just sharing my observation
[13:50] <Tm_T> KDE is interesting, being quite a large project and still lacking official structure
[14:03] <BluesKaj> I hope the problems caused by 3 different audio processes are looked at by the devs soon ...audio in kde is becoming a real hit and miss problem , mostly for laptop users 
[14:05] <Riddell> thanks for the moderation Mamarok 
[14:05] <Riddell> koolhead17: hi
[14:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you poked?
[14:06] <Riddell> hmm, this ubuntu install doesn't seem to have worked
[14:07] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: three different audio processes?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> alsa, kmix, pulseaudio
[14:08] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: kmix is only part from those three that is KDE
[14:08] <Tm_T> and I'm unsure how the first two would cause any problems
[14:09] <Tm_T> especially alsa
[14:10] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes
[14:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kipi-plugins-common is arch all and fails on armel
[14:11] <BluesKaj> well, there are default output problems , it used to be solved in als a, now kmix and pulse are becoming difficult to configure together to get audio to route thru the processes to the output
[14:11] <shadeslayer> because one of the files in the install files is missing ( Probably because armel builds have opengl disabled now )
[14:12] <shadeslayer> but since it's a arch all package, and it'll only build on x86, will it fail on the buildd's ?
[14:13] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure how to proceed here ...
[14:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ideas?
[14:18] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: normally there shouldn't be anything to configure in alsa to start with, if that is not working somebody screwed up big time
[14:19] <Mamarok> then KMix also should now just provide the default output that Phonon finds, no bazillion channels anymore to configure
[14:19] <Mamarok> and the main problem actually is only with peopple who use more than one soundcard, as that needs some tweaking from the user
[14:20] <Mamarok> if you have more problems please report the bugs , else we can't fix what we don't know about
[14:22] <BluesKaj> I'm talking about the changes that take place in an OS upgrade without any changes by the user .I've encountered a lot of these problems in upgrades to 11.10 , especially with laptop audio settings/hardware
[14:22] <Mamarok> BluesKaj: well, I haven't seen any with the upgrade to 12.04 so far, so please do report what you find
[14:23] <Mamarok> without reports there is not much we can do
[14:23] <Peace-> Mamarok: you are woman you! see this http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/149552-1.jpeg
[14:23] <Peace-> what do you think
[14:23] <Peace-> :D
[14:24] <Peace-> i mean the wallpaper
[14:24] <BluesKaj> Mamarok,  I'm sure we'll see some when the adventurous users start upgrading to 12.04
[14:24] <Mamarok> what am I supposed to think besides the very old fashioned icons?
[14:24] <Peace-> ah so it's bad
[14:24] <Peace-> :D
[14:25] <Mamarok> Peace-: I don't like the icons, sorry, those look so... what we had 8 years ago?
[14:26] <Mamarok> it lacks the shininess of the Oxygen and Nuvola icons
[14:26] <Peace-> Mamarok: well :D i did the wallpaper not the icons 
[14:26] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  you're a gnome-look  lover :)
[14:27] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hehe it's not that 
[14:27] <Peace-> it's that a gnome look could increase kde users 
[14:27] <Mamarok> the wallpaper is not my style either, I like pretty pictures :)
[14:27] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  why change kde for cartooney icons 
[14:28] <Peace-> kde lacks of style 
[14:28] <Mamarok> yeah, why not keeping the beautiful icons we already have?
[14:28] <Peace-> oxygen *is not* nice
[14:29] <Peace-> i have seen one thing here 
[14:29] <Peace-> if i change some stuff like icons and style  users just want try kde 
[14:29] <BluesKaj> well Peace- , it's your pc , do what you want , just don't expect me to go "gnome'
[14:30] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:30] <Mamarok> well, even the Gnome icons look better than those
[14:30] <Peace->  i have never said that BluesKaj...
[14:30] <Mamarok> sorry
[14:30] <Peace-> Mamarok: i didn't the icons...
[14:30] <Peace-> bah
[14:30] <Mamarok> well, try it again with other icons then, we might change our opinion :)
[14:30] <Peace-> that is called kfaenza
[14:31] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  it's ok , just kidding , but I like the kde icons themes etc , they're simple and less distarcting to my eye
[14:32] <Mamarok> Peace-: what icons are that?
[14:32] <Peace-> kfaenza theme 
[14:33] <Peace-> Mamarok: BluesKaj for example i was just tryin to do a unity wallpaper http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/149527-1.jpeg
[14:33] <BluesKaj> oxygen suits my taste 
[14:34] <Mamarok> yep, Oxygen or Crystal or Nuvola
[14:34] <Peace-> nuvola?
[14:34] <Peace-> i will try that
[14:36] <BluesKaj> http://imagebin.org/203619 , you'll have to use ctl - to bring the size down to a regular monitor 
[14:36] <Mamarok> Peace-: Nuvola is what we had in KDE 3.x
[14:37] <Peace-> ah 
[14:37] <Peace-> bad
[14:38] <Mamarok> try a Crystal variation then
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sounds like it will fail yes, make it arch any
[14:40] <Riddell> and have separare .install.armel and .install.armhf files
[14:40] <shadeslayer> hmm ... ok
[14:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: but why will it fail?
[14:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: " because one of the files in the install files is missing" ?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> uh yeah, but why would the kipi-plugins-common package even build?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> +on armel
[14:41] <Riddell> mm, it shouldn't right enough
[14:41] <shadeslayer> exactly
[14:41] <Riddell> but debhelpers works in mysterious ways
[14:42] <shadeslayer> ^
[14:43] <jalcine_> They do
[14:43] <jalcine_> Lol
[14:44] <shadeslayer> I wonder if that's a bug :P
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: pbuilder builds arch all packages by default
[15:05] <Riddell> ah yes
[15:05] <Riddell> well then you learnt its not suitable for arch all
[15:07] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:20] <shadeslayer> digikam all done
[15:26] <shadeslayer> One more test build to make sure everything works and I'm done
[15:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I'm holding my breath :)
[15:55] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: don't hold it for too long, arm builds take up alot of time :P
[15:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm setting up Plasma Active armhf for testing now 
[15:57] <Riddell> shadeslayer: sweet
[16:01] <bulldog98> Riddell: btw should I test the x64 images now?
[16:01] <bulldog98> -s
[16:08] <Riddell> bulldog98: um you can but I did just get a failed install on ubuntu desktop amd64 so I wouldn't expect it to work
[16:21] <Riddell> bulldog98: you can review the oversize status
[16:21] <Riddell> if you're looking for things to do
[16:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: someone broke network-manager
[16:33] <bulldog98> every time I login I get a enable networkManger -> manual restart fixes
[16:34] <ScottK> There was a new upload yesterday.  Go talk to cyphermox.
[16:34] <cyphermox> pong
[16:34] <ScottK> bulldog98: ^^^
[16:35] <cyphermox> bulldog98:  everytime you get a enable NetworkManager ?
[16:36]  * cyphermox logs into Kubuntu on another computer
[16:36] <bulldog98> cyphermox: yes the networkmanager-plasmoids tells me to enable NetworkManager
[16:36] <bulldog98> then I need to restart it to get it working (on two different computers)
[16:36] <cyphermox> bulldog98: ok... but is it running when that happens?
[16:37] <bulldog98> cyphermox: yes
[16:37] <cyphermox> fwiw, I don't see this here
[16:37] <cyphermox> bulldog98: ok, in this case, please file a bug, and make sure that syslog is attached, there ought to be something in there
[16:37] <cyphermox> perhaps it's busy trying to do stuff
[16:38] <bulldog98> cyphermox: that could be the case
[16:39] <cyphermox> I've noticed a bit of lag with adhoc and some other tasks, but that predates yesterday's update
[16:42] <Riddell> stick a fork in it, it's done http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-active.png
[16:42] <Riddell> rbelem: awooga ^^
[16:44] <bulldog98> cyphermox: I haven’t been updating yesterday
[16:44] <cyphermox> bulldog98: or today; I uploaded a new n-m yesterday.
[16:44]  * bulldog98 hugs Riddell for doing awesome things :)
[16:45] <cyphermox> it's fixing issues with the ipw2200 driver that's already broken, to avoid its brokenness crashing nm-applet
[16:45] <bulldog98> cyphermox: I use ad-hoc networks, so that may cause the issues
[16:45] <cyphermox> I don't know how that driver might affect p-w-networkmanagement
[16:45] <cyphermox> bulldog98: yes, as I said, please file a bug against network-manager and I'll review it, I have a couple of ideas
[16:46] <cyphermox> I didn't change adhoc at all though (not for lack of trying). my patch introduces too much uncertainty. switching from wpa to wpa2 makes the applet run in circles
[16:59] <Mamarok> who does package k3b for Kubuntu? We have a rather interesting thread right now in the KDE forum about differences in builds apparently: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=100710
[17:01] <Riddell> Mamarok: k3b stopped having frequent releases so it hasn't been packaged for a while
[17:01] <Riddell> lamarque: have you met cyphermox, the ubuntu NM maintainer?
[17:02] <Mamarok> then maybe it would be worth repackaging it...
[17:02] <lamarque> Riddell: I do not think so :) Hi, cyphermox.
[17:04] <Riddell> cyphermox: lamarque is the star of plasma network management
[17:04] <Riddell> let me dist upgrade and see if I get a problem like bulldog98 
[17:06] <bulldog98> it’s very annoying, cause I cannot send mail, because kmail thinks I’m offline, but as you see I’m not
[17:07] <lamarque> bulldog98: is it kmail2? I closed a bug about that same problem a couple of days ago.
[17:07] <bulldog98> lamarque: yes
[17:08] <Riddell> bulldog98: does the icon change on the plasma widget?
[17:08] <lamarque> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294441
[17:08] <bulldog98> Riddell: no it stays at the configureing interface state
[17:09] <Riddell> rbelem: first bug reports! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-active-meta
[17:09] <Riddell> bulldog98: so it shows configuring interface but it is connected?
[17:10] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes it shows that Icon, but it says networkManager not running
[17:11]  * bulldog98 is going to get meal
[17:11] <bulldog98> also it shows the connections
[17:12] <Riddell> Mamarok: that seems like an upstream feature request, send him to bugs.kde.org
[17:12] <Riddell> Mamarok: but I don't know if k3b is currently maintained
[17:13] <Mamarok> not at all, read again
[17:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: he wants to be able to configure encoding bitrate?
[17:13] <Mamarok> its not a feature request, bcooksley has it from KDE trunk
[17:14] <Mamarok> there are differences though in the way things are displayed, so that must be a packaging difference
[17:14] <lamarque> Riddell: which plugin Kubuntu configures in NM to store data? Is the default "keyfile" plugin or is it something else?
[17:14] <Mamarok> he wants to see the lame entry like all other plugins
[17:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: oh hmm, needs a bit of investigation then
[17:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: is there a bug on launchpad ?
[17:15] <Mamarok> Riddell: I dind't make one yet, but I will tell him to do so
[17:15] <Riddell> lamarque: I don't know, that's the backend right?  so cyphermox will know
[17:15] <Riddell> Mamarok: tell him to do so and ping me or you so we can set a milestone and tag
[17:15] <lamarque> yes, the backend. NM call them "plugins"
[17:17] <Mamarok> Riddell: OK, told him to ping me so I can ping you :)
[17:18] <cyphermox> lamarque: Riddell: I've been able to fubar my system just now to a similar state, I'm trying to find out what could cause this
[17:18] <Riddell> lamarque: http://paste.kde.org/440630/
[17:18] <Riddell> hmm, should I cancel this dist-upgrade I wonder
[17:19] <cyphermox> I really don't think it's keyring or keyfile related, more something broken in dbus or glib async stuff deep in NM's bowels
[17:25] <Riddell> dist-upgraded and rebooted and it works fine
[17:26] <Riddell> cyphermox: did you have to do something to break your kubuntu install's network widget?
[17:27] <cyphermox> Riddell: yes, muck around with adhoc
[17:27] <cyphermox> I think I may have just found what breaks :)
[17:27] <Riddell> oh I've never used adhoc
[17:27] <Riddell> bulldog98: is that what you had to do?
[17:32] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4544  kubuntu active blog
[17:33] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[17:37] <cyphermox> bulldog98: if you can reproduce NM being stuck, next time can you gdb into it and get a backtrace, just to confirm that we're seeing the same thing?
[17:38] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/885125
[17:38] <cyphermox> is what I got here.
[17:45] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/node/4544 blog with scrappy logo idea :)
[17:52] <bulldog98> Riddell: hm maybe do the active a with the kubuntu icon
[17:54] <bulldog98> cyphermox: http://paste.kde.org/440654
[17:54] <cyphermox> bulldog98: cool, thanks, so it's the same
[17:54] <cyphermox> can you just tell me what is your wifi device?
[17:54] <bulldog98> cyphermox: how can I find that out?
[17:55] <cyphermox> lspci -vnvn
[17:55] <cyphermox> look for the Kernel module: line below Network controller
[17:56] <bulldog98> cyphermox: kinfocenter told me: WL-345 Wireless USB adapter 300N X3
[17:57] <cyphermox> thx.
[17:58] <bulldog98> cyphermox: I also have that problem with an other computer, I’ll look for it’s wifi device
[17:58] <cyphermox> bulldog98: I don't think it's relevant
[17:59] <bulldog98> cyphermox: ok
[17:59] <cyphermox> I already could reproduce it on two systems different enough, it looks like some issue in wifi code to look for events; and the upstream developers are looking into it right now
[18:01] <rbelem> Riddell, hum... i think i know what is that bug
[18:02] <rbelem> Riddell, we just have to add the plasma-active-default-settings in the KDEDIRS
[18:03] <rbelem> Riddell, nice logo :-D
[18:04] <debfx> Mamarok: we can't build the k3b lame plugin because lame is universe. however starting with precise+1 we will be able to.
[18:06] <Mamarok> debfx: oh, interesting
[18:08] <rbelem> Riddell, we have kwin_gles, but it was not working very well on virtualbox
[18:08] <Riddell> debfx: that'll be it
[18:08] <rbelem> that's why i switched it to kwin
[18:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: got sheytan's e-mail address for kubuntu active?
[18:13] <MountainX> where should I discuss Firefox-related KDE integration issues? The package firefox-kde-support appears to be broken for 12.04. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kmozillahelper/+bug/949949
[18:13] <Riddell> MountainX: debfx knows his stuff on that
[18:15] <MountainX> Riddell: what do you suggest as my next step? Or will debfx read this and look into it?
[18:18] <Riddell> sheytan!
[18:18] <Riddell> just the dude
[18:18] <sheytan> yo :D
[18:18] <Riddell> sheytan: fancy doing a logo for kubuntu active?
[18:18] <Riddell> something like this http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-active-logo-idea.png
[18:19] <Riddell> which is modeled after http://plasma-active.org/ and the SVG from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork with ubuntu font
[18:19] <sheytan> kinda busy toda, still need to show changes in color-kcm for dantti, bu sure :)
[18:19] <sheytan> but*
[18:19] <Riddell> no rush :)
[18:19] <Riddell> it needs the semi-circle tidied up somehow to make it more pleasant to look at
[18:19] <dantti> sheytan: hey you here :D
[18:20] <dantti> sheytan: no wories take you time :)
[18:21] <debfx> MountainX: kde support has been dropped in the firefox package so we'll remove firefox-kde-support from precise.
[18:24] <MountainX> debfx: wow, that's very bad news for Kubuntu :(
[18:25] <MountainX> debfx: do you have a link or reference for the backstory on this decision? What or who brought this about?
[18:27] <debfx> MountainX: the ubuntu firefox maintainer is no longer willing to maintain the patch (it has no chance of being accepted upstream)
[18:27] <sheytan> brb
[18:29] <MountainX> am I over reacting or is there a trend developing recently that looks bad for Kubuntu? 
[18:30] <micahg> debfx: I assume that you or someone else have tried to figure out what it would take to upstream this support?
[18:39] <debfx> micahg: the kde integration was not written with the intention to upstream it
[18:40] <debfx> MountainX: the real problem is that mozilla doesn't care much about kde and no one from the community stepped up to write the necessary code for a proper kde integration.
[18:45] <Riddell> MountainX: you're over reacting
[18:45] <Riddell> debfx: do you know what suse do now for firefox kde integration?
[18:46] <debfx> Riddell: they still maintain the patch in their package
[18:47] <yofel> evening
[18:54] <MountainX> Riddell: Yes, maybe I'm over reacting. But I'm in the midst of making a decision between opensuse and Kubuntu, and I just decided to go with Kubuntu. So this news (and Canonical's recent news) seemingly has a significant impact on me.
[18:54] <MountainX> I plan to invest the time to get deeply familiar with one distro, so I'm making a long term commitment. Really good  distro GTK intregration is an important feature of a KDE distro to me.
[18:56] <MountainX> sorry for the typo (extra "distro"). And for the long comment.
[18:57] <tsimpson> the news from Canonical has no real effect on you, unless you wanted to buy commercial support
[18:57] <tsimpson> as for FF, the KDE support was always really just a hack, and that's just not good in production systems
[18:58] <tsimpson> there's nothing really wrong with just running the stock firefox if you want to use it, or any of the other browsers in the repositories
[18:58] <MountainX> yes, I do pay for a support contract and it is up for renewal in a couple weeks
[18:59] <MountainX> tsimpson: nothing wrong with it in Kubuntu unless you've used opensuse and gotten spoiled by the beautiful integration. ;)
[19:00] <debfx> tsimpson: the kde integration is a hack but that doesn't mean it's unstable, only that it's difficult to maintain.
[19:00] <tsimpson> if the patch is unmaintained, then it's not really justifiable to include it though
[19:00] <MountainX> (of course opensuse has its own problems -- I'm not in here to bash Kubuntu because I already decided it was the better of the two for me.)
[19:00] <tsimpson> debfx: I didn't mean it was unstable, just not a chance it was ever going to be integrated
[19:35] <cyphermox> bulldog98: I'm filing the bug on LP so I can close it with the fix (which I'm testing right now). do you want me to subscribe you to the bug? if so I'll need your LP id
[19:40] <cyphermox> bulldog98: bug 956349
[19:43] <Ezim> hi guys/girls.
[19:49] <yofel> hi Ezim :)
[19:51] <Ezim> yofel, it was not yesterday :).
[19:51] <Ezim> how are you my friend
[19:56] <yofel> Ezim: really busy this week with offline life :/
[19:57] <Ezim> yofel, like here. I have only today "off" from real life.
[19:57] <yofel> some ninja around that could look at bug 954804? I won't have time before tomorrow evening
[19:57] <cyphermox> bulldog98: https://launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/+archive/nm/+sourcepub/2308105/+listing-archive-extra; though the packages aren't build yet
[20:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: ping
[20:09] <sheytan> apachelogger: pong
[20:10] <apachelogger> sheytan: about the boot splash you showed me... I do not think the blue dotties work well with the grey
[20:10] <sheytan> apachelogger: i think they do, but you always can change it :)
[20:11] <apachelogger> sheytan: also I'd appreciate if you could try to get the logo of the last grey-drop-shaddow-engraved version we had
[20:11] <apachelogger> i.e. just the logo
[20:11] <apachelogger> I have almost all the tech ready to drop that version into the archive as feedback was good
[20:12] <apachelogger> sheytan: also a solid color version is needed for low-color systems
[20:13] <apachelogger> #B2BAC1
[20:13] <apachelogger> that is the color we use for the background there
[20:13] <apachelogger> dot color is the same as with regular theme
[20:13] <apachelogger> #68717A
[20:14] <sheytan> apachelogger: you mean a version without the engaved logo?
[20:15] <apachelogger> no
[20:15] <apachelogger> well
[20:15] <apachelogger> yes
[20:15] <apachelogger> a simplified version mainly
[20:16] <apachelogger> it has a solid color background and should have a solid color logo
[20:16] <sheytan> well, just use the background only :)
[20:16] <apachelogger> so simply the logo in grey
[20:16] <apachelogger> sheytan: I don't understand
[20:17] <sheytan> if you want a version without the engaved one, than just use the background image
[20:17] <sheytan> or now i don't understand :)
[20:17] <apachelogger> I need logos only
[20:18] <apachelogger> I need the logo of the last fancy version we had (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-default-settings/kubuntu-default-settings/download/head:/kubuntu_logo.png-20100328033223-zatfq1ojngr84q9k-4/kubuntu_logo.png)
[20:19] <apachelogger> and I need a logo that is exactly the same except it only uses one solid grey (no drop shadow etc.)
[20:19] <apachelogger> also an xcf for the fancy one would be good
[20:20] <sheytan> the engaved could be a little hard cause i made it a liitle tricky way
[20:20] <sheytan> but i'll try
[20:22] <apachelogger> well, I just need something that is somewhat good looking the version from that link I just ripped from the jpg you sent me
[20:22] <apachelogger> hence the terrible border
[20:23] <apachelogger> (though fortunately enough with the background you barely notice as it's grain effect nicely covers up my failure in graphics ^^)
[20:23] <apachelogger> did anyone try the experimental packages btw?
[20:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you put a solid color behind the background?
[20:25] <sheytan> is this possible/
[20:25] <sheytan> ?
[20:25] <apachelogger> the background picture?
[20:25] <apachelogger> there is a solid color behind it
[20:26] <apachelogger> plymouth only knows of background colors and spirtes, so there is a grey background and on top of that is a spirte with the actual background picture
[20:26] <apachelogger> (in the low color version there is simply no sprite ;))
[21:11] <sheytan> apachelogger: good news
[21:12] <sheytan> master Nuno just gave me a lesson
[21:12] <sheytan> we will have a good quality logo with engravement ;D
[21:13] <apachelogger> <3
[21:17] <BluesKaj> how do I get my esata external drive to mount , so far it isn't recognized , but "dmesg | grep sdb' does see it .The partition manager doesn't however
[21:19] <Ezim> BluesKaj, any information when running lsusb?
[21:23] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  it's not connected by usb any longer , using esata to sata
[21:24] <BluesKaj> it was working with the usb connection , but usb 2 is slow as molasses in january
[21:25] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you link me again to the 1280x1024 version of the background?
[21:25] <Ezim> BluesKaj, maybe kernel related?
[21:25] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  you mean I need a driver ?
[21:26] <BluesKaj> odd , because the internal drive is sata 
[21:26] <Ezim> BluesKaj, thats what I think.
[21:26] <Ezim> not sure 
[21:27] <Ezim> BluesKaj, http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=80464
[21:27] <BluesKaj> I have all drive connections enabled in the BIOS as well
[21:30] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kde-base-artwork/ksplashx-themes/default/
[21:31] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  sudo blkid , doesn't show the external drive , only the internal drive partitions
[21:34] <Ezim> BluesKaj, thats wierd.
[21:34] <Ezim> BluesKaj, have you looked everything is connected?
[21:36] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  yes , it's all connected properly
[21:38] <Ezim> BluesKaj, then I have no idea right now.
[21:41] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  ok , thanks for trying 
[21:42] <Ezim> BluesKaj, does fstab/fdisk
[21:42] <Ezim> give any information?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  no fdisk -l  doesn't see it 
[21:46] <Ezim> BluesKaj, okey. bios see it?
[21:46] <yofel> does (g)parted see it? partitionmanager has some issues with not seeing drives. (It doesn't see my notebooks SD card reader either)
[21:46] <Ezim> BluesKaj, kan you test if any older kernel version works? it can be kernel bug.
[21:47] <Ezim> also yofel suggestion is good.
[21:49] <schnelle> fabo: are you going to backport qt patches for ghost taskbar entries bug soon? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/911733
[21:50] <BluesKaj> yofel,  the partition manager recognized it with the USB connection , but it's not seeing the sata connection
[21:50] <yofel> still, does parted see it?
[21:50] <Ezim> schnelle, I noticed your suggestion with ppa does not work anymore.
[21:50] <yofel> which would probably be weird, but anyway
[21:51] <yofel> schnelle: there was some talk earlier about qt 4.8.1, if we go with that we'll get those too
[21:51] <BluesKaj> yofel,  do you mean gparted live cd or gparted install
[21:51] <schnelle> Ezim: because patched qt from ppa is qt 4.7.4. No we have qt 4.8 from backport which is not patched so taskbar bugs are here again
[21:51] <Ezim> yofel, kde 4.8.1 and the ppa schnelle posted back does not work any more.
[21:51] <yofel> BluesKaj: well, at least parted (cli)
[21:52] <yofel> Ezim: I know
[21:52] <Ezim> schnelle, it worked with kde 4.8.0
[21:52] <yofel> Ezim: it didn't
[21:52] <schnelle> Ezim: it is bug in qt not in kde
[21:52] <schnelle> Ezim: i gave you ppa with patched qt
[21:52] <Ezim> schnelle, okey. I have not used this laptop for weeeks.
[21:52] <Ezim> so my first update was kde 4.8.1 and many others.
[21:53] <Ezim> yofel, :) it worked for me for some weeks ago.
[21:53] <BluesKaj> patrted just sees sda , not sdb , yofel
[21:54] <Ezim> BluesKaj, sdb is generally for things running from usb ports
[21:54] <yofel> hm, odd, here at least parted sees my drive, so was wondering if it would help
[21:54] <yofel> Ezim: no, it's general for 2nd SCSI/SATA/... drive these days
[21:54] <Ezim> BluesKaj, external driver works with usb port but not from sata?
[21:54] <schnelle> yofel: I hope that patches are included in qt 4.8.1. I cannot live with these bugs anymore.
[21:55] <Ezim> schnelle, yeah anoying bug.
[21:55] <schnelle> yofel: btw i still cannot logout in precise without terminateserver:true 
[21:55] <yofel> I never saw those with the nvidia driver interestingly, after I switched to nouveau I also switched to icon-tasks
[21:56] <yofel> schnelle: well, blame driver devs, I'll make that option the default for beta2
[21:56] <Ezim> schnelle, hmm still problem?
[21:56] <BluesKaj> Ezim,  yes , USB works fine , as i said earlier 
[21:57] <apachelogger> sounds like support talk to me
[21:57] <Ezim> ppa:hrvojes/qt  <<<--- does not work anymore :( damn panel bug.
[21:58] <BluesKaj> heh, gparted won't load 
[21:58] <Ezim> schnelle, its this kdesudo kate /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc you mean?
[21:58] <yofel> meh, but I'm not sure what to do if parted doesn't see it either
[21:59] <yofel> Ezim: for the logout thing, yes
[22:00] <BluesKaj> yofel,  gparted doesn't see it . I oaded it from the cli
[22:01] <BluesKaj> well < i guess that was a waste of 16 bucks , on cable that doesn't work
[22:01] <yofel> you could go with fdisk if that works at least
[22:02] <BluesKaj> fdisk doesn't see it either
[22:03] <yofel> file a bug against the kernel then
[22:03] <yofel> or udev, but the kernel folks will know that
[22:03] <BluesKaj> yofel,  a driver problem maybe ?
[22:04] <yofel> could be, I don't know how the device subsystem works there
[22:06] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8383/plytest1.jpg
[22:06] <sheytan> let me send that logo
[22:06] <sheytan> it looks better as full size one
[22:06] <sheytan> can i have your email?
[22:11] <fabo> schnelle: tomorrow morning
[22:15] <apachelogger> sheytan: png please
[22:15] <apachelogger> sheytan: apachelogger@ubuntu.com
[22:19] <sheytan> apachelogger: done
[22:21] <sheytan> gtg
[22:21] <sheytan> bye :)
[22:22] <schnelle> fabo: will this be precise only or patches will be available for qt 4.8 from oneiric backports too?
[22:24] <schnelle> fabo: anyway, thank you very much for backporting patches :)
[22:26] <Ezim> http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/03/video-kubuntu-presented-as-windows-8-in.html
[22:26] <Ezim> :)
[22:26]  * Ezim going to bed. bye all of you.
[23:30] <shadeslayer> \o/
[23:31] <shadeslayer> Digikam is done
[23:31] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/digikam_2.5.0-1ubuntu2~ppa2.dsc << If the ARM boxes are free ...
[23:32] <shadeslayer> should work as expected
[23:35] <shadeslayer> brrr
[23:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: you haven't sync'd the akonadi packaging in bzr
[23:37] <CIA-42> [akonadi] Rohan Garg * 42 * debian/ (changelog control rules) * Add build-dep on dh-apparmor (LP: #948481) * New upstream release * Remove x11_not_required.diff, file no longer shipped * Disable test suite in debian/rules, it requires dbus