[00:01] hi === webjadmin_ is now known as JackyAlcine === josh_wines is now known as joshwines === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [08:20] "Error in file "/usr/share/applications/kde4/ktp-send-file.desktop": "all/allfiles" is an invalid MIME type ("all" is an unregistered media type)" [08:20] Wouldn't that be a upstream issue? [08:20] and digikam failed at 96% [08:23] shadeslayer: I expect it's an issue with shared-mime-info [08:23] and whatever we have that valides that [08:29] http://cl.ly/1l3k37180C2Z2X2v2I0A [08:29] :S [08:31] error: no matching function for call to 'Digikam::SearchXmlWriter::writeValue(QList&)' [08:31] what is there a matching function for? [08:31] writeValue(QList) ? [08:32] sec, Iooking at the file [08:34] void writeValue(const QList& valueList, int precision = 8); [08:34] should be qreal [08:44] yes [08:45] they actually supply qreal to writeValue, but the signature accepts double :P [08:47] aye, and qreal is float on arm so they are passing float to double [08:48] yep, I also see a couple of other functions that return double .... but then the function is called fooTodouble() ... [08:49] tsk, programmers making assumptions [08:53] http://paste.kde.org/440150/ [08:54] as expected [08:54] shadeslayer: slap some qreal()s in there? [08:55] yeah [08:57] "Subject: [Owncloud] Packaging help needed for syncing Client" little (well not that little) todo there [09:00] hi every body , i will go to my question directly , i want to implement new panels like the ones already on KDE but with adding some functionality on them does any one knows where i can start [09:00] knowing that this panels will have some sort of icons that will change their state continuly [09:04] Sifrazooy: that's a question for Plasma folks, in #plasma or plasma-devel mailing list [09:06] Riddell: thnx again :D [09:10] hi, after the recent upgrade to kde 4.8, bitmap some bitmap fonts are a bit corrupted: http://static.inky.ws/image/1498/image.jpg [09:11] i'm usually using anonymous pro for coding and below 10.2 pt, the rendering has some artifacts. above that i suppose the font is not bitmapped anymore and it looks good again [09:12] it happens on a kde desktop, but also with qt applications (this is from qtcreator) [09:12] people still use bitmapped fonts? didn't they go out with the 20th century? [09:12] what version of qt do you have? [09:13] Riddell: for small sizes, bitmapped fonts are actually more precise to read (imo) as they are less blurry [09:14] let me see [09:14] 4.8.0-1ubuntu8-~oneiric1~ppa1 [09:15] mm so it might be an issue with qt 4.8 [09:15] tim: well there's no paticular font expertese on this channel I'm afriad, I'd recommending checking with sladen who's the font guy for ubuntu [09:17] i just tried gedit ... that displays these fonts correctly [09:17] ok [09:17] he needs to get qt working for fonts as well as gtk, all of ubuntu uses qt [09:17] where is the right place to write a bug report for kubuntu backports [09:17] ? [09:18] we don't really take feature bugs in backports, you'd need to test in precise (KDE bugs can go to KDE and Qt bugs to Qt of course) [09:19] unfortunately i am quite busy these days, so testing precise is not really an option for me at the moment [09:20] it is the case for us all alas [09:20] tim: but do point sladen towards your font and ask him if he can recreate in qt in precise [09:26] fregl: any timetable for 4.8.1? tsdgeos is keen to get in thai fixes so he can write without using spaces [09:27] Riddell: I think there was a mail on the qt-devel list... let me check. but as usual no explicit time table. that is supposed to change with 5... but for 4 I have no clue. [09:28] Qt 4.8.1 release during week 11/2012 [09:28] hm, is that digia and commercial? [09:30] I don't think I have a calendar which can convert weeks into numbers [09:30] Riddell: you're not using plasma? [09:30] oh yes there is it [09:31] it's such a required tool, once you're stuck in corporate machinery :p [09:31] fregl: well 11/2012 is this week so will it appear in the next day? [09:31] so that sounds like next week [09:31] ok that sounds good [09:31] oh, this week [09:32] well, check the mailing list... from tagging to final it always takes a while, but I guess it means soon [09:32] development@qt-project.org is your friend [09:32] sounds safe to assume it's before ubuntu is released which is lovely [09:35] dear Kubuntu devs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/955826 [09:35] Launchpad bug 955826 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "plasma-desktop crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] [09:35] reproducible every time [09:35] crashes immediately after login [09:36] Mamarok: works here [09:36] i get kactivitymanagerd crashes though [09:36] or something like that [09:37] I think Mamarok's crash is do with something not installed [09:37] tsdgeos: you use precise? [09:37] something around activity manager [09:37] Mamarok: yes [09:37] Riddell: I didn't remove anything AFAIK [09:38] no it probably needs a dependency added [09:38] bug milestoned [09:50] tsdgeos: I've seen that kactivitymanagerd crash quite a few time as well [10:18] agateau: how do I set autolog in lightdm? [10:18] Riddell: you use the kcm? [10:19] Riddell: or rather, you wait for me to update the package to contain the latest kcm [10:19] the one which works [10:19] agateau: remind me again where the kcm is? [10:19] agateau: easiest way is if you just give me the values needed in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf so I can put them on the CD [10:20] Riddell: ah, can do [10:20] Riddell: are you switching the CD to use lightdm??? [10:20] agateau: kubuntu active [10:20] oooh, nice [10:21] so you need to create a [SeatDefaults] section [10:21] and add autologin-user=true to it [10:21] mmm no [10:22] autologin-user= [10:23] agateau: that's it? [10:23] Riddell: should be, yes [10:24] ok let me try [10:41] agateau: this works on my installed system http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.conf [10:41] agateau: but this doesn't work on the ISO http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.conf-kubuntu-active [10:43] Riddell: I take it you checked the user name twice [10:43] agateau: I can log in fine as "kubuntu-active" manually [10:44] Riddell: anything interesting in /var/log/lightdm? [10:44] agateau: let me reboot and see [10:50] agateau: starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.log [10:50] failed to load session ubuntu.desktop is that it? [10:51] it's trying to start ubuntu, not kubuntu-active [10:51] mmm [10:51] yes if I copy the active .desktop file to ubuntu.desktop it logs in [10:52] now why would that be I wonder [10:52] you could try to set autologin-session=active, but iirc support for this key is not implemented yet [10:52] * agateau checks [10:54] it's currently autologin-session=lightdm-autologin [10:54] what will that run? [10:54] I have no idea. where did you get that from? [10:54] try "user-session=active" [10:55] casper is the live CD script that sets up lightdm.conf [10:55] (assuming there is a /usr/share/xsessions/active.desktop file) [10:55] there is plasma-active.desktop [10:55] so I set =plasma-active [10:55] I confirm the "autologin-session" key is not implemented anyway [10:55] but it does not log in [10:56] damn [10:56] did you set autologin-session or user-session? [10:56] and it still tried to load ubuntu.desktop [10:56] autologin-session=plasma-active [10:56] so something is making it load ubuntu.desktop and I don't know what [10:57] autologin-session is not implemented, try user-session [10:57] Riddell: probably that line: dh_auto_configure -- --with-greeter-user=lightdm --with-user-session=ubuntu [10:57] in lightdm debian/rules [10:58] agateau: no change with user-session=plasma-active [10:58] agateau: ok so it's compiled into the thing, that's a bit crazy [10:58] why does it work for my installed system then? [10:59] I can change casper to cp plasma-active.desktop ubuntu.desktop so it's easy to workaround [10:59] but not very elegant [10:59] Riddell: I think the ./configure option is just a default settings [10:59] I would have expected user-session=plasma-active to override it :/ [11:00] no change [11:01] well I can work around that [11:01] the next problem is why plasma-device doesn't start [11:02] Riddell: you should ask Robert Ancell about this user-session settings [11:02] lunch time, bbiab [11:23] oh man, digikam is such a PITA on ARM [11:24] it doesn't beat calligra I'm sure [11:24] Haven't tried out calligra, so can't really say :P [11:24] digikam uses double all over the place [11:24] took me about 10 uploads to get it working [11:24] graphics programmes are the worst, krita is the pain in calligra [11:24] I've been refactoring stuff ... [11:24] erk [11:25] don't be afraid to just disable stuff if that's easiest [11:25] Mostly replacing double with qreal [11:25] methods having double as the return value [11:25] that's very common indeed [11:26] hmm usually it should cast that magically [11:26] why can't they just typedeft double to float in gcc/g++ ? [11:26] dunno, everything keeps failing [11:26] it mostly does cast it magically as I say, but qmax(X, Y) can't be done because X and Y can both be either double or real so it doesn't know which to use [11:27] and i think there are more issues gcc has added recently [11:28] atleast I figured out how to get a armel pbuilder setup [11:28] don't have to bug ScottK every 2-3 hours :P === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [11:31] shadeslayer: surely you just log into his machines and it's the same as any pbuilder? [11:31] Riddell: uh, nope, I don't have access to the arm boxes yet [11:32] Maybe after tomorrow I'll get the required access [11:32] oh I see [11:33] Altho, I don't think it'll be any faster than building on my machine [11:33] shadeslayer: what machine do you have? [11:33] Riddell: 2.1 GHz dual core x86_64 [11:33] uses qemu-arm-static to do magical stuff [11:34] oh I didn't know about that [11:34] shadeslayer: able to test our arm images on it? :) [11:35] uh, don't know it doesn't have X [11:35] I can try and setup a VM on my machine [11:35] well add that to your todo list after fixing all the compile failures :) [11:35] yeah [11:39] Riddell: if you have a powerful machine : pbuilder-dist precise armel create [11:40] works on sid, haven't tried it out on ubuntu yet [11:40] then : pbuilder-dist precise armel build foo.dsc [11:43] on sid? what is this non ubuntu distro thing? [11:44] heh, for some reason all my endavors on getting a armel pbuilder up on ubuntu failed [11:44] I think because of D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2, but I'm not sure [11:45] pesky ubuntu, real men use debian [11:45] (appologies for the sexism ladies) [11:45] haha [11:49] Riddell: you meant to say that real men respect women? (= [11:52] Riddell: do we have ARM plasma active images? [11:54] I wonder if vbox will boot img.gz files [11:55] shadeslayer: no, not until we know we have working images in i386 and something to test them on [11:56] Tm_T: actualy I did just have a phone call offering me £6000 if I respect women, so it pays off :) [11:56] ah [11:56] bulldog98 has a WeTab I believe [11:59] casper 1.311 and kubuntu-active-meta 1.3 uploaded, one those arrive I can rebuild images and it'll all just work! [12:01] Riddell: nice [12:08] 'Morning all === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [12:28] hi BluesKaj [12:28] w00t digikam at 97% [12:30] hey shadeslayer [12:33] gtg cya later everyone [12:41] later shadeslayer [12:53] who is this ensane94 person on the Kubuntu mailing list? His mails are more than puzzling [12:54] Mamarok: ahha, that's where Insanity have gone from IRC [12:54] has [12:54] shadeslayer: what should I test === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [12:57] I put that guy on moderation, his mails are total nonesense [12:57] ultimate version? [13:04] claydoh, Riddell: I put ensane94@gmail.com on moderation FYI [13:09] bulldog98: plasma active on x86 [13:09] shadeslayer: iso link? [13:09] please [13:09] * shadeslayer needs to figure out how to install certain files only on one arch [13:10] bulldog98: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-live/current/ [13:10] But Riddell said that he's going to respin the images today [13:10] so I guess wait for him to give the OK [13:12] Riddell: ping me if you have the new images up [13:14] Mamarok: urrh, kubuntu-users mailinglist is strange place [13:14] yes [13:17] * shadeslayer scratches his head a bit [13:19] * BluesKaj stays away from mailing lists , probly verbotten for me anyway ...don't think I'm a member ...seems to have to 15 different groups to see what is really going on :) [13:20] be a member of [13:22] BluesKaj: why would that be forbidden? It's a Kubuntu users support list, no need to be member [13:23] Riddell: around [13:23] I'm really quite surprised at the hierarchy set up in the ubuntu organization ...doesn't seem to reflect the open source philosophy , iMO === rdieter is now known as rdieter_afk [13:34] BluesKaj: well, Ubuntu is a "meriotcracy" [13:34] Mamarok, yeah , sure :) [13:35] Riddell: poke [13:39] if we have a arch all package that is not building on armel, will the build fail on the buildd? [13:40] eg: kipi-plugins-common fails on armel, but is a arch all package [13:40] fails because it can't find ogl.png which is in the install file [13:45] BluesKaj: for what I can see, Ubuntu's hierarchy is kind of meritocracy with added democracy, so I don't see it being far (if at all) from "open source philosophy" (: [13:46] of course , you have to defend the the position Tm_T , I understand that ...it was merely an observation o9n my part [13:49] I don't defend [13:49] just sharing my observation [13:50] KDE is interesting, being quite a large project and still lacking official structure [14:03] I hope the problems caused by 3 different audio processes are looked at by the devs soon ...audio in kde is becoming a real hit and miss problem , mostly for laptop users [14:05] thanks for the moderation Mamarok [14:05] koolhead17: hi [14:05] shadeslayer: you poked? [14:06] hmm, this ubuntu install doesn't seem to have worked [14:07] BluesKaj: three different audio processes? [14:07] alsa, kmix, pulseaudio [14:08] BluesKaj: kmix is only part from those three that is KDE [14:08] and I'm unsure how the first two would cause any problems [14:09] especially alsa [14:10] Riddell: yes [14:11] Riddell: kipi-plugins-common is arch all and fails on armel [14:11] well, there are default output problems , it used to be solved in als a, now kmix and pulse are becoming difficult to configure together to get audio to route thru the processes to the output [14:11] because one of the files in the install files is missing ( Probably because armel builds have opengl disabled now ) [14:12] but since it's a arch all package, and it'll only build on x86, will it fail on the buildd's ? === bulldog98_ is now known as bulldog98 [14:13] I'm not sure how to proceed here ... [14:15] Riddell: ideas? [14:18] BluesKaj: normally there shouldn't be anything to configure in alsa to start with, if that is not working somebody screwed up big time [14:19] then KMix also should now just provide the default output that Phonon finds, no bazillion channels anymore to configure [14:19] and the main problem actually is only with peopple who use more than one soundcard, as that needs some tweaking from the user [14:20] if you have more problems please report the bugs , else we can't fix what we don't know about [14:22] I'm talking about the changes that take place in an OS upgrade without any changes by the user .I've encountered a lot of these problems in upgrades to 11.10 , especially with laptop audio settings/hardware [14:22] BluesKaj: well, I haven't seen any with the upgrade to 12.04 so far, so please do report what you find [14:23] without reports there is not much we can do [14:23] Mamarok: you are woman you! see this http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/149552-1.jpeg [14:23] what do you think [14:23] :D [14:24] i mean the wallpaper [14:24] Mamarok, I'm sure we'll see some when the adventurous users start upgrading to 12.04 [14:24] what am I supposed to think besides the very old fashioned icons? [14:24] ah so it's bad [14:24] :D [14:25] Peace-: I don't like the icons, sorry, those look so... what we had 8 years ago? === Yuriy_ is now known as yuriy [14:26] it lacks the shininess of the Oxygen and Nuvola icons [14:26] Mamarok: well :D i did the wallpaper not the icons [14:26] Peace-, you're a gnome-look lover :) [14:27] BluesKaj: hehe it's not that [14:27] it's that a gnome look could increase kde users [14:27] the wallpaper is not my style either, I like pretty pictures :) [14:27] Peace-, why change kde for cartooney icons [14:28] kde lacks of style [14:28] yeah, why not keeping the beautiful icons we already have? [14:28] oxygen *is not* nice [14:29] i have seen one thing here [14:29] if i change some stuff like icons and style users just want try kde [14:29] well Peace- , it's your pc , do what you want , just don't expect me to go "gnome' [14:30] :) [14:30] well, even the Gnome icons look better than those [14:30] i have never said that BluesKaj... [14:30] sorry [14:30] Mamarok: i didn't the icons... [14:30] bah [14:30] well, try it again with other icons then, we might change our opinion :) [14:30] that is called kfaenza [14:31] Peace-, it's ok , just kidding , but I like the kde icons themes etc , they're simple and less distarcting to my eye [14:32] Peace-: what icons are that? [14:32] kfaenza theme [14:33] Mamarok: BluesKaj for example i was just tryin to do a unity wallpaper http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/149527-1.jpeg [14:33] oxygen suits my taste [14:34] yep, Oxygen or Crystal or Nuvola [14:34] nuvola? [14:34] i will try that [14:36] http://imagebin.org/203619 , you'll have to use ctl - to bring the size down to a regular monitor [14:36] Peace-: Nuvola is what we had in KDE 3.x [14:37] ah [14:37] bad [14:38] try a Crystal variation then [14:39] shadeslayer: sounds like it will fail yes, make it arch any [14:40] and have separare .install.armel and .install.armhf files [14:40] hmm ... ok [14:40] Riddell: but why will it fail? [14:40] shadeslayer: " because one of the files in the install files is missing" ? [14:41] uh yeah, but why would the kipi-plugins-common package even build? [14:41] +on armel [14:41] mm, it shouldn't right enough [14:41] exactly [14:41] but debhelpers works in mysterious ways [14:42] ^ [14:43] They do [14:43] Lol [14:44] I wonder if that's a bug :P [15:04] Riddell: pbuilder builds arch all packages by default [15:05] ah yes [15:05] well then you learnt its not suitable for arch all [15:07] yes [15:20] digikam all done [15:26] One more test build to make sure everything works and I'm done [15:55] shadeslayer: I'm holding my breath :) [15:55] :D [15:56] Riddell: don't hold it for too long, arm builds take up alot of time :P [15:57] Riddell: I'm setting up Plasma Active armhf for testing now [15:57] shadeslayer: sweet [16:01] Riddell: btw should I test the x64 images now? [16:01] -s [16:08] bulldog98: um you can but I did just get a failed install on ubuntu desktop amd64 so I wouldn't expect it to work [16:21] bulldog98: you can review the oversize status [16:21] if you're looking for things to do [16:32] Riddell: someone broke network-manager [16:33] every time I login I get a enable networkManger -> manual restart fixes [16:34] There was a new upload yesterday. Go talk to cyphermox. [16:34] pong [16:34] bulldog98: ^^^ [16:35] bulldog98: everytime you get a enable NetworkManager ? [16:36] * cyphermox logs into Kubuntu on another computer [16:36] cyphermox: yes the networkmanager-plasmoids tells me to enable NetworkManager [16:36] then I need to restart it to get it working (on two different computers) [16:36] bulldog98: ok... but is it running when that happens? [16:37] cyphermox: yes [16:37] fwiw, I don't see this here [16:37] bulldog98: ok, in this case, please file a bug, and make sure that syslog is attached, there ought to be something in there [16:37] perhaps it's busy trying to do stuff [16:38] cyphermox: that could be the case [16:39] I've noticed a bit of lag with adhoc and some other tasks, but that predates yesterday's update [16:42] stick a fork in it, it's done http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-active.png [16:42] rbelem: awooga ^^ === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Computing | 4.8.1 http://ur1.ca/8kalp | Precise: Feature Freeze -> Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4| http://ur1.ca/8kamo TODOs! | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce | wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries | Next Meeting: 16th March 3.30 PM UTC | activate! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-active.png [16:44] cyphermox: I haven’t been updating yesterday [16:44] bulldog98: or today; I uploaded a new n-m yesterday. [16:44] * bulldog98 hugs Riddell for doing awesome things :) [16:45] it's fixing issues with the ipw2200 driver that's already broken, to avoid its brokenness crashing nm-applet [16:45] cyphermox: I use ad-hoc networks, so that may cause the issues [16:45] I don't know how that driver might affect p-w-networkmanagement [16:45] bulldog98: yes, as I said, please file a bug against network-manager and I'll review it, I have a couple of ideas [16:46] I didn't change adhoc at all though (not for lack of trying). my patch introduces too much uncertainty. switching from wpa to wpa2 makes the applet run in circles === Mamarok is now known as Mamarok_ === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok__ === Mamarok__ is now known as Mamarok [16:59] who does package k3b for Kubuntu? We have a rather interesting thread right now in the KDE forum about differences in builds apparently: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=100710 [17:01] Mamarok: k3b stopped having frequent releases so it hasn't been packaged for a while [17:01] lamarque: have you met cyphermox, the ubuntu NM maintainer? [17:02] then maybe it would be worth repackaging it... [17:02] Riddell: I do not think so :) Hi, cyphermox. [17:04] cyphermox: lamarque is the star of plasma network management === cos^_ is now known as cos^ [17:04] let me dist upgrade and see if I get a problem like bulldog98 [17:06] it’s very annoying, cause I cannot send mail, because kmail thinks I’m offline, but as you see I’m not [17:07] bulldog98: is it kmail2? I closed a bug about that same problem a couple of days ago. [17:07] lamarque: yes [17:08] bulldog98: does the icon change on the plasma widget? [17:08] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=294441 [17:08] KDE bug 294441 in general "kmail stays in offline mode, unable to send emails" [Normal,Resolved: downstream] [17:08] Riddell: no it stays at the configureing interface state [17:09] rbelem: first bug reports! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-active-meta [17:09] bulldog98: so it shows configuring interface but it is connected? [17:10] Riddell: yes it shows that Icon, but it says networkManager not running [17:11] * bulldog98 is going to get meal [17:11] also it shows the connections [17:12] Mamarok: that seems like an upstream feature request, send him to bugs.kde.org [17:12] Mamarok: but I don't know if k3b is currently maintained [17:13] not at all, read again [17:13] Mamarok: he wants to be able to configure encoding bitrate? [17:13] its not a feature request, bcooksley has it from KDE trunk [17:14] there are differences though in the way things are displayed, so that must be a packaging difference [17:14] Riddell: which plugin Kubuntu configures in NM to store data? Is the default "keyfile" plugin or is it something else? [17:14] he wants to see the lame entry like all other plugins [17:15] Mamarok: oh hmm, needs a bit of investigation then [17:15] Mamarok: is there a bug on launchpad ? [17:15] Riddell: I dind't make one yet, but I will tell him to do so [17:15] lamarque: I don't know, that's the backend right? so cyphermox will know [17:15] Mamarok: tell him to do so and ping me or you so we can set a milestone and tag [17:15] yes, the backend. NM call them "plugins" [17:17] Riddell: OK, told him to ping me so I can ping you :) [17:18] lamarque: Riddell: I've been able to fubar my system just now to a similar state, I'm trying to find out what could cause this [17:18] lamarque: http://paste.kde.org/440630/ [17:18] hmm, should I cancel this dist-upgrade I wonder [17:19] I really don't think it's keyring or keyfile related, more something broken in dbus or glib async stuff deep in NM's bowels [17:25] dist-upgraded and rebooted and it works fine [17:26] cyphermox: did you have to do something to break your kubuntu install's network widget? [17:27] Riddell: yes, muck around with adhoc [17:27] I think I may have just found what breaks :) [17:27] oh I've never used adhoc [17:27] bulldog98: is that what you had to do? [17:32] http://blogs.kde.org/node/4544 kubuntu active blog [17:33] Riddell: yes [17:37] bulldog98: if you can reproduce NM being stuck, next time can you gdb into it and get a backtrace, just to confirm that we're seeing the same thing? [17:38] http://paste.ubuntu.com/885125 [17:38] is what I got here. === webjadmin_ is now known as JackyAlcine_ [17:45] http://blogs.kde.org/node/4544 blog with scrappy logo idea :) [17:52] Riddell: hm maybe do the active a with the kubuntu icon [17:54]