[00:17] <mykrobinson> evening, all
[00:23] <MountainX> Jordan_U: use an ext2 /boot partition with your btrfs /
[00:25] <dualMoon> so, first off, any *known* issues installing WINE in 12.04b1?
[00:27] <dualMoon> alright, well I s'pose that answers that.
[00:28] <dualMoon> so here's what I'm hitting when I try to install WINE. I've tried with and without the WINE Team PPA.
[00:28] <dualMoon>   gettext-base: Conflicts: gettext-base but 0.18.1.1-5ubuntu3 is to be installed.
[00:28] <dualMoon>   gettext-base: Conflicts: gettext-base but 0.18.1.1-5ubuntu3 is installed.
[00:36] <Pru> Where can I find info about Partial Upgrade to 12.04 beta?
[00:36] <micahg> dualMoon: that package ins't multiarch'd yet
[00:37] <Pru> Becasue "An upgrade from 'precise' to 'oneiric' is not supported with this tool."
[00:39] <dualMoon> micahg: ah. i think i understand what that means. anyway i understand the consequences. I assume there's no word on when it will be, eh?
[00:39] <micahg> dualMoon: please file a bug and tag multiarch with steps to reproduce
[00:40] <Pru> No word on when. But is there a work around?
[00:40] <meerkats> will 12.04 be released at the beginning or end of 4?
[00:40] <Daekdroom> !schedule | meerkats
[00:44] <Pru> So I made a mistake trying to Update from 11 to 12beta with out sufficient time for a full install and had to run and shut down. Now I can't get to beta. I feel like this isn't the place for such an amateur question.
[00:44] <Pru> AskUbuntu sent me here...
[00:46] <tomreyn> shuttng down during an upgrade surely isn't a good idea... you could probably fix it now using apt-get on the command line
[00:48] <tomreyn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades
[00:50] <Dulak> Is the precise kernel affected by the 3.x kernel power regression or is it fixed?  Anyone know?
[00:55] <Daekdroom> Dulak, I think the fix was backported to the Ubuntu kernel.
[00:57] <Dulak> Daekdroom: sweet, thanks, gonna try precise out on my netbook, just didn't want to lose battery from the upgrade
[00:57] <Fyodorovna> tomreyn, try this is a terminal sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get -f install
[01:00] <tomreyn> Fyodorovna: i think you want to walk to Pru
[01:00] <Fyodorovna> tomreyn, ?
[01:01] <tomreyn> Fyodorovna: you seem to be responding to a question i have not asked.
[01:02] <Pru> I too am confused
[01:02] <Fyodorovna> tomreyn, ah Doh sorry..  try this is a terminal sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get -f install  Pru
[01:03] <Pru> Errors... Do you want specifics?
[01:06] <blair> will 12.04 have gcc 4.7 packages, as it looks like it's releasing next week?
[01:07] <snadge> luls
[01:07] <snadge> blair: I would guess.. no
[01:07] <snadge> unless it happens to fix a bunch of existing issues without creating many more
[01:08] <blair> snadge, i don't except the whole OS to be recompiled, just wondering if packages will be available; it'll be nice to have more C++11 support
[01:08] <Daekdroom> We're way past FeatureFreeze, blair
[01:08] <Daekdroom> !info gcc
[01:11] <blair> does FeatureFreeze include non-"core" packages?  i get that 4.6.3 will be the default compiler, but ubuntu has 4.4, 4.5 also, so it could provide 4.7?
[01:11] <snadge> im reasonably happy with precise as it stands.. i mean.. i use it on 5 systems
[01:11] <Pru> So since I messed up during my upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04b and Cannot Partial Upgrade how can I get back to 11.10?
[01:11] <snadge> you could always install it yourself from a ppa or something like that
[01:11] <snadge> or use debian sid ;)
[01:12] <blair> true, somebody will probably make a ppa with it
[01:12] <blair> well, i'm trying to get our company to move 500 desktops from fedora 13 to 12.04, debian sid won't work ;)
[01:12] <snadge> lol @ fedora on the desktop.. i have an f16 vm
[01:12] <snadge> i can see why you're wanting to migrate away from it
[01:13] <Daekdroom> Pru, getting back to 11.10 is not doable even when 12.04 is working alright. Reinstall.
[01:13] <snadge> they use systemd.. *shudders*.. im glad ubuntu has resisted that
[01:13] <snadge> or was that a debian decision.. i dont know
[01:13] <Daekdroom> Doesn't Ubuntu use upstart instead?
[01:13] <Daekdroom> Which has its own share of criticism?
[01:14] <snadge> right but systemd supposedly supercedes upstart
[01:14] <micahg> snadge: that's not necessarily true
[01:14] <snadge> i cant remember why exactly.. but the most horrible part about systemd is the ugly new syntax
[01:14] <snadge> and lack of backwards compatibility
[01:15] <snadge> at least upstart got that part right
[01:15] <snadge> systemd appears to throw the baby out with the bath water
[01:16] <snadge> and uses a confusing way to access it.. systemctl.. when theres already a sysctl
[01:23] <snadge> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
[01:23] <snadge> fascinating :)
[01:23] <snadge> http://undacuvabrutha.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/why-ubuntu-should-continue-with-upstart-for-11-10/
[01:23] <scientes> snadge, systemd is nice
[01:23] <scientes> and its alot easier to get your head around than upstart
[01:23] <snadge> those two articles contain probably more than you could ever want to know about upstart and systemd.. and why ubuntu is still using upstart.. and what makes systemd apparently so much better
[01:23] <scientes> and does a hell of alot better stuff
[01:24] <scientes> snadge, socket activation
[01:24] <snadge> i just wish he had've used something other than "systemctl" to interface with it
[01:24] <snadge> that annoys me for some reason
[01:24] <snadge> the guy is a smart guy.. but he sucks at choosing names for things and interfacing with it
[01:25] <scientes> its fine
[01:25] <scientes> you are making a bikeshed argument
[01:25] <jelmer> scientes: socket activation is only useful in a limited number of cases (desktop system with some daemons that are irregularly used)
[01:25] <jelmer> scientes: upstart can do it too, if necessary
[01:25] <scientes> jelmer, no, it support persistant socket activation
[01:25] <scientes> also cgroup clean killing
[01:25] <scientes> and socket activation is _very_ important for parallel startup
[01:26] <snadge> the best part about upstart on ubuntu.. is you dont need to know how it works if you're just an end user
[01:26] <jelmer> scientes: what is persistant socket activation?
[01:26] <snadge> you can use the service command.. or the original init.d scripts
[01:26] <scientes> so you can just start everything, and it only blocks when it needs something back, but ifs a one-direction socket it can just write to a buffer
[01:26] <scientes> and it enables services to restart without interruption
[01:26] <Dulak> Mmm, keyboard layout is defaulting to the regular english instead of the dvorak one I have set as highest priority...  Anyone can confirm this?
[01:26] <jelmer> scientes: it also means you don't start something until the moment something else opens the socket
[01:26] <scientes> jelmer, i forget what systemd calls it, but it starts up ont he first connection, and it can controll when to shutdown, not started for every connection
[01:27] <scientes> jelmer, but if you shut down, then socket activation still works
[01:27] <scientes> which allows you to be much smarted with RAM usage
[01:27] <scientes> *smarter
[01:28] <jelmer> meh, RAM is cheap and the overhead of a daemon that's not doing anything is usually negligable
 meh, RAM is cheap and the overhead of a daemon that's not doing anything is usually negligable
[01:28] <scientes> ram is _NOT_ cheap
[01:28] <scientes> oh, geeze, to that statement
[01:28] <jelmer> I'd rather just have the daemon started earlier so the response time is lower
[01:29] <Pru> Thanks Daekdroom! I thought. Maybe in a couple of years Ill be able to hand with all of you
[01:29] <scientes> systemd is way better
[01:29] <scientes> it will improve boot times significantly
[01:29] <scientes> and doesn't require a kernel patch for readahead
[01:29] <scientes> like upstart does
[01:33] <jelmer> scientes: the memory consumption of most daemons we're talking about here is trivial if they're idle, so in those terms RAM is cheap
[01:33] <jelmer> scientes: systemd delays starting daemons until something accesses them
[01:33] <jelmer> I'd be interested in seeing some comparisons in startup time between systemd, upstart and sysv
[01:33] <jelmer> anyway, sleep
[01:34] <scientes> jelmer, how about cups
[01:34] <scientes> I have a low-power system here that had crazy-ass cupage going on
[01:34] <scientes> and i've never tried to print anything
[01:34] <scientes> with systemd it would never be touched
[01:34] <scientes> until someone actually tried to print
[01:34] <scientes> same with sshd
[01:35] <MountainX> scientes: opensuse uses systemd but it has a bug when the box is an NFS client.
[01:35] <MountainX> And the bug is exactly related to things not starting up in parallel correctly.
[01:35] <scientes> well nfs is in the kernel
[01:35] <jelmer> scientes: you can't use socket activation for CUPS, CUPS does broadcasting of the available printers
[01:35] <scientes> don't need socket activation there
[01:35] <MountainX> networking isn't started when it should be, so the system takes forever to boot up (if it is an NFS client)
[01:35] <scientes> jelmer, systemd does socket activation for cups, also there is a big shit-storm about that broadcasting
[01:35] <MountainX> the solution on opensuse is to switch away from systemd
[01:36] <scientes> hmm, systemd+debian has worked for me
[01:36] <MountainX> I had to switch to system v init on opensuse 12.1 to solve my problem
[01:36] <MountainX> there was no other solution proposed in the thread over there
[01:36] <Daekdroom> Why not fix systemd instead of switching away?
[01:36] <scientes> ^^^
[01:37] <MountainX> ultimately that exact systemd problem is what drove me over here to try Kubuntu 12.04. (where I got a whole new set of problems ;)
[01:37] <jelmer> scientes: you should be comparing to a CUPS that's not broadcasting then though
[01:37] <scientes> MountainX, funny, i have the exact same problem, but with UBUNTU + upstart
[01:37] <MountainX> haha
[01:37] <scientes> my computer has to wait for a 60 sec timeout "waiting for network"
[01:37] <scientes> just because i use interfaces to set up a bridge
[01:38] <scientes> which i guess upstart doesn't like
[01:38] <jelmer> scientes: what is the memory consumption of the idle sshd process, and how long does it take to start up?
[01:38] <scientes> cause i want my virtualmachines bridged
[01:39] <scientes> jelmer, you know you could benchmark that yourself
[02:06] <bodhi_zazen> I am testing the kernel in 12.04, any idea when beta 2 will be out ?
[02:06] <Daekdroom> !schedule | bodhi_zazen
[03:09] <bjsnider> "Unlike other distributions, the Fedora / Red Hat developers actively work towards pushing their changes back upstream"
[03:09] <bjsnider> oh, well that's good
[03:13] <vn> I am trying to install ubuntu on my new boxes, without success so far, except natty x86, will try precise after since I want a LTS...are we supposed to be able to do software RAID in non-LTS GUI installs?
[03:14] <bjsnider> what do you mean without success?
[03:16] <vn> CPUs are Core i7-3960X, i7-2600K, FX-8120 and an APU A8-3850, I dont know it its too bleeding edge..
[03:16] <vn> bjsnider: blinking cursor at boot, cant get in grub with shift
[03:20] <bjsnider> i don't know why you'd have any ldm problem
[03:20] <bjsnider> yes, you should be able to use lvm on non-lts releases
[03:20] <vn> more like mdadm
[03:21] <bjsnider> with a blinking cursor you're not getting much troubleshooting data
[03:22] <vn> indeed, got any suggestions?  my friend thinks it's because I have bleeding edge hardware
[03:23] <bjsnider> can you try just doing a normal install, ie. not raid?
[03:24] <vn> OK, let me put back the cpu and note partition infos
[03:26] <bjsnider> i wouldn't call the i7-2600k bleeding edge at this point
[03:29] <vn> indeed, not that one..but for lucid, it is
[03:36] <Belial`> anyone having issues with menus not highlighting in orange?
[03:36] <Belial`> and having to click to get submenus?
[03:51] <vn> bjsnider: normal automated install = blinking cursor too
[03:51] <bjsnider> do the livecds work?
[03:51] <vn> yes
[03:51] <bjsnider> you've got to be missing something here
[03:51] <bjsnider> something's not right
[03:52] <bjsnider> is there something crazy about your hard drives?
[03:52] <bjsnider> because that's the only difference
[03:52] <bjsnider> the livecd works off a cd, and the install off a hard drive
[03:53] <vn> 1x 300gb velociraptor, 2x caviar black 1tb
[03:53] <vn> bios mode is set to AHCI
[03:53] <bjsnider> is it an efi bios?
[03:54] <vn> how do I know?
[03:54] <bjsnider> can you use the mouse in the bios?
[03:54] <vn> motherboard is a p8q67-m DO/CSM
[03:54] <vn> yes
[03:55] <bjsnider> that's efi
[03:55] <vn> :|
[03:55] <vn> so I'm stuck with installing windows..
[03:55] <bjsnider> so check out efi support in grub2. maybe other people have the same issue you do
[03:57] <vn> efi being uefi I guess?
[04:00] <vn> im trying with oneiric, apparently there are patches to circumvent efi
[04:00] <bjsnider> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting
[04:01] <bjsnider> i would start out by manually partitioning the drive with gpt instead of mbr
[04:02] <vn> is that something new?
[04:03] <bjsnider> gpt is newer and more advanced than mbr, just like efi is more advanced than bios
[04:03] <bjsnider> i'll bet that's your actual issue, is no gpt
[04:03] <bjsnider> but it's not a big deal to do that
[04:04] <vn> ok, trying that
[04:06] <bjsnider> you should also be using 64-bit, but i assume you are
[04:09] <vn> im tryin g x86 and 864 as I had experiences where x86 was better than x64
[04:10] <bjsnider> i'm not sure if this works at all on i386, so that could be your problem
[04:11] <vn> livecd wouldnt boot no?
[04:12] <Jordan_U> !bootinfo | vn
[04:16] <vn> oneiric x84 doesnt even boot the livecd like my main computer,  stdin error 0 and more errors after the splash screen where you tell what you want to do with the cd....I'm gonna burn precise x64 tomorrow (no more cd/dvd-r here) and keep you posted
[04:16] <vn> x64*
[04:31] <andrewaclt> Is anybody aware of a bug where icons show up multiple times in the launcher of applications that are open?
[05:06] <fre3bird> when is release date of pangolin ?
[05:09] <IcemanV9> fre3bird: so far, it's April 26th
[05:09] <fre3bird> thank you
[05:10] <snadge> should be april 1st ;)
[05:10] <snadge> with a real release on the 26th
[05:10] <snadge> trolling people into installing the beta.. interesting idea
[05:11] <vn> xthen it'd be named fishy pangolin
[05:11] <vn> phishy*
[07:02] <MCR> Latest Unity version does not want to start here (Precise). I have to remove Unity completely to make my desktop boot. I am not using any Compiz/Unity PPAs anymore. Also my right mousebutton problem is back (right mousebutton kills Compiz). Can someone help me with that ?
[07:47] <magn3ts> I will pay someone $100 if they would fucking patch rhythmbox to quit on window close like every other application under the sun.
[07:48] <snadge> you can select quit from the menu
[07:48] <snadge> but sure.. i noticed that, kind of annoying
[07:48] <snadge> actually.. its already been patched
[07:49] <micahg> !ohmy | magn3ts
[07:49] <scientes> is there a new chat application instead of empathy?
[07:49] <magn3ts> I'll have to look up who committed the patch.
[07:49] <snadge> actually.. you hit ctrl-q it quits.. if you close it, it continues playing
[07:49] <magn3ts> micahg: my apologies, I get used to being away from #ubuntu
[07:49] <magn3ts> snadge: grrrr
[07:49] <snadge> probably expected and more desirable default behaviour
[07:49] <scientes> http://paste.debian.net/159796/
[07:50] <magn3ts> snadge: what other media player does that?
[07:50] <magn3ts> banshee is configurable, itunes, windows media player quit on close, etc.
[07:50] <micahg> right with sound menu integration, some people just want the window out of the way
[07:50] <magn3ts> micahg: but rhythmbox doesn't respect the presence of the sound menu at all. :/
[07:50] <snadge> yeah.. i guess an option would be nice.. most chat programs i know of that have that behaviour.. its also configurable
[07:50] <magn3ts> micahg: because I do understand that use case
[07:50] <scientes> http://paste.debian.net/159796/ <-- what is going on?
[07:50] <snadge> sure it does.. its in the volume menu
[07:51] <micahg> oh?  it shows up for me
[07:51] <micahg> sorry, I meant sound indicator :)
[07:51] <magn3ts> If I'm not running sound-indicator... I don't want it to keep playing because there's no way to control the music, like for example if someone isn't, cough, running unity
[07:51] <snadge> theres only an option to pause it in the indicator menu as well.. you cant quit from there
[07:52] <snadge> then press ctrl-q :p
[07:52] <snadge> or music -> quit
[07:52] <magn3ts> snadge: apparently... I'm too used to expose mode. I know that hacker types would probably squiel in terror at how I abuse shell's expose feature
[07:53] <magn3ts> anyway, sorry for the outburst, I'm going to go back to django
[07:54] <snadge> if that was my greatest problem with ubuntu.. i would be over the moon
[07:54] <snadge> im more concerned about the things that arn't easily fixable or worked around :P
[07:54] <magn3ts> heh, not the only, just the current :)
[07:55] <magn3ts> actually I'm using rhythmbox because subsonic or flash are nearly literally killing my computer
[07:55] <magn3ts> If I leave firefox and subsonic streaming via Flash, X crashes after about 10-15 minutes. Sometimes it takes down my whole system :[
[08:17] <MCR> I envy you and your problems :). I have no indicators here at all - Unity won't even start :P
[08:17] <MCR> and my right mousebutton kills Compiz ! Yeah !
[08:22] <eruditehermit> hey, is there a way to open the battery usage application from the terminal?
[09:24] <MCR> compiz[3440] trap int3 ip:7f8471cc613b sp:7fffd54c9bd0 error:0
[09:25] <MCR> ^^^when clicking right mousebutton. HELP !
[09:26] <scientes> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/188564
[09:43] <phaidros> ehlo, wanted to do the usual early upgrade to the next ubuntu, but atm it looks like a very dependency hell :)
[09:44] <phaidros> something to do about ? (commented all PPAs and 3rd party sources.lists etc already)
[09:44] <MCR> phaidros: Already killed one system with the upgrade - think twice about it :)
[09:46] <phaidros> MCR: yeah, thought so .. as I didnt look too close, I accepted a safe-upgrade via update-manager. I am not sure I want to reboot now :)
[09:47] <MCR> phaidros: My tip: Never turn off your computer until end of April ;)
[09:47] <phaidros> honestly, this is the first time I ever see an alpha/beta version in that mess, earlier ubuntu pre-releases were much more robust at htat time before release. since years
[09:47] <phaidros> I'd say since dapper
[09:48] <phaidros> MCR: hrhr, at least suspend still works for now, some fonts gone strange, but I can handle that :D
[09:49] <MCR> phaidros: I cannot say that I am satisfied with 12.04 either. A lot of stuff I need is not available (yet) and I am experiencing heavy troubles with Compiz and Unity...
[09:49] <MCR> and cannot get help anywhere
[09:50] <MCR> phaidros: I hope your first reboot will be successful.
[09:50] <zorael> Did netbios hostname resolution behavior change in precise? I've *always* (7.04 and onward or so) gotten it to work with winbind (modifying /etc/nsswitch.conf), but now it simply refuses to work.
[09:51] <zorael> smbtree finds the shares, nslookup just asks my ISP DNS despite wins being entered before dns in said nsswitch.conf
[09:51] <phaidros> hm, unity is considered broken here as well, since its introduction a year ago major problems didnt get fixed. e.g. I have alot of focussing issues, which destroys workflows completely .. I could curse about that every day. it even is harmful every now and then, to have the focus on a window on a different workspace than the one actually visible. (imagine CTRL-q) .. so I hoped 12.04 wil bring fixes for that
[09:52] <MCR> phaidros: I wish I would have just that kind of problems ;)
[09:52] <phaidros> MCR: uh ?! o.O
[09:52] <phaidros> MCR: so it just doesnt work at all for you?
[09:52] <MCR> phaidros: Here Unity fails to start completely and I have to remove it for the desktop to boot.
[09:53] <MCR> phaidros: and clicking the right mousebutton makes compiz crash - HURRA
[09:53] <MCR> phaidros: The strange stuff is: I have removed all Unity/Compiz ppas. I really do not know how to fix it.
[09:54] <MCR> phaidros: Waiting for updates is kind of boring...
[09:56] <MCR> oh, at least I am not alone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/954079
[09:56] <UrB> heh, joys of pre-versions
[09:57] <UrB> I've had to re-install whole system once this far when I ran out of talent to back down to last working setup
[10:11] <MCR> at least there is a workaround for the right mb problem...
[10:11] <MCR> so I got that functionality back (RMB), while losing the Shift-Switcher
[10:46] <topyli> sometimes my epiphany integrates nicely to the shell, sometimes it still insists on showing the menubar
[10:47] <topyli> this i do not like :\
[11:12] <encrypt_> hi, run an upgrade this morning and networkmanager doesnt work anymore, have tried with iwconfig and cant connect either
[11:21] <encrypt_> pls, i run an upgrade this morning and after rebooting NetworkManager is not working, have to use the live-cd now to get connected
[11:52] <e01> hello
[11:52] <e01> where i can found source of the unity launcher
[12:08] <delight> is there others suffering from this kde-proxy-settings problem in precise 12.04 ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11636551
[12:08] <delight> is there a ticket to it ?
[13:01] <chronos> Someone more having troubles with 12.04 Nvidia drivers? I can't set my dual monitor setup correctly. The nvidia-settings setup second monitor as first monitor!
[13:02] <chronos> Also I have seeing strips on lightdm start and on KDE start
[13:15] <chronos> back...well, I upgraded things here and still with problems on Nvidia settings
[13:16] <chronos> ubuntu team do something about or just say 'it's with nvidia guys'?
[13:19] <delight> chronos: nvidia-drivers wor fine for me on precise (nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M)
[13:56] <chronos> delight: here is completely weird. I'm comming from 11.10 via distupgrade, I don't know if that can be some issue of 11.10 (where the nvidia-config works marking monitor as clone and than as left or right).
[14:17] <jo-erlend> am I the only one who feels the system has been radically worsened since todays upgrades? Everything is slow, unstable and generally poor quality. :(
[15:08] <topyli> gnome-shell's menu integration is a bit broken today. the new gnome apps (web, docs, contacts) are supposed to have their menus transferred to the shell panel. today, i see menus in both the panel and the app window
[15:25] <doda_> hi folks
[15:27] <doda_> where do i check for precise pangolin bugs ?
[15:27] <doda_> i have 2 visible problems
[15:49] <WilsonBradley> Im loving Ubuntu 12.04
[15:49] <WilsonBradley> With all the updates it seems solid
[15:49] <WilsonBradley> I don't want to go back to Windows :-(
[15:49] <andrewaclt> not solid yet :/
[15:52] <WilsonBradley> Well, havent had to many issues ... YET
[15:52] <WilsonBradley> cross my fingers
[15:52] <WilsonBradley> Is there something in Debian that works like System restore?
[15:52] <WilsonBradley> I want to backup everything
[15:53] <atpa8a> hello
[15:53] <atpa8a> any word on if btrfsck will be ready for the final release?
[15:54] <WilsonBradley> ?
[15:57] <bazhang> !find btrfs
[15:58] <bazhang> !info btrfs-tools
[15:58] <atpa8a> right now, btrfsck doesn't do anything
[15:58] <bazhang> atpa8a, not sure if that is included there
[15:58] <WilsonBradley> Thats command line.. looking for a Gui
[15:59] <bazhang> !sbackup | WilsonBradley
[16:00] <bazhang> not much easier gui than that one
[16:00] <WilsonBradley> thank you , Ithink I installed that.. just not sure if it would do a restore like System Restore in Windows... (registry)
[16:00] <atpa8a> i personally like bacula
[16:00] <atpa8a> there's a gui and even monitor for the tray
[16:01] <atpa8a> but i don't use those
[16:01] <bazhang> !info backintime-common
[16:04] <WilsonBradley> Yes, I like back in time.. Will that restore back before a system update?
[16:04] <WilsonBradley> im just SOOOO worried about something updating and fu#$% everything up.. I worked on this for DAYS
[16:07] <WilsonBradley> ?
[16:08] <bazhang> like windows system restore? doubt it
[16:09] <bazhang> generally its good practice to have a separate home partition, and regularly do backups, such as above, with rsync or the myriad other tools available
[16:10] <WilsonBradley> Ya, Iv'e got it scheduled to backup my Home folder.. is that good enough?
[16:11] <bazhang> sure
[16:11] <bazhang> but to be absolutely safe /home is the better idea
[16:11] <bicyclist> Sigh, my gnome 3 installation seems to be broken. No more window decorations.
[16:12] <bicyclist> Anyone any hints?
[16:16] <WilsonBradley> ok, thanks Bazhang.. will keep backing up the Home folder
[16:16] <bazhang> ok
[16:16] <bazhang> !home
[16:17] <WilsonBradley> moving it seems a little risky
[16:17] <WilsonBradley> Im keeping it backed up on a external drive
[16:18] <crizzy> libpciaccess-dev : Depends: libpciaccess0 (= 0.12.902-1) but 0.13-1~precise1 is to be installed
[16:18] <crizzy> fuuu
[16:18] <crizzy> can't get xorg-dev installed ;(
[16:52] <crizzy> meh.. how i can set grub to boot windows by default? tired of this black hole of bugs
[16:53] <andrewaclt> Should you be running the beta if you can't use google?
[16:54] <crizzy> it has fixes for bugs that never got updated in stable...
[16:54] <crizzy> ... and unstable has bunch of bugs on its own
[16:54] <crizzy> windows is simply better and bug-free :/
[16:54] <bazhang> grub2 wiki?
[16:55] <bazhang> crizzy, you read it?
[16:55] <crizzy> and canonical has this 'tarded attitude nowadays to include bugfixes only in the next distro release and they won't release fixes for stable at all..
[16:55] <bazhang> crizzy, not the channel for that, please dont start
[16:56] <bazhang> crizzy, beta is *not* stable
[16:56] <crizzy> neither stable is stable.. :)
[16:56] <bazhang> file bugs to make it better
[16:56] <crizzy> i have filed
[16:56] <crizzy> tons of them
[16:56] <crizzy> nothing gets fixed
[16:56] <bazhang> ranting wont change it
[16:57] <brendand> crizzy - examples?
[16:57] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/956159
[16:57] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/954745
[16:57] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miro/+bug/954496
[16:57] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxxf86dga/+bug/953960
[16:58] <crizzy> do you really want me to flood all the bugs here that i've reported?
[16:58] <andrewaclt> Those are all precise bugs
[16:58] <andrewaclt> that's kind of the point of running the beta
[16:58] <crizzy> exactly
[16:58] <crizzy> and this is channel for precise
[16:58] <crizzy> duh
[16:59] <andrewaclt> So I don't understand why you'r raging, when you're doing exactly as you should be?
[16:59] <andrewaclt> I think brendand was asking for bugs in stable that you've reported that have been ignored
[16:59] <brendand> crizzy, those bugs were reported 3 days ago
[16:59] <crizzy> i'm raging because 11.10 doesn't work a crap either. for example none of the unity BUG fixes that landed in 12.04 hasn't been (and won't be) released as updates for 11.10
[17:00] <brendand> crizzy, really?
[17:00] <crizzy> really
[17:00] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/856138
[17:01] <crizzy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/879488
[17:02] <brendand> crizzy, and those are all absent in precise?
[17:02] <crizzy> window decorators still fail to respond in precise, so it's not fixed anywhere
[17:02] <crizzy> i reported it during 11.10 beta
[17:03] <Bluefoxicy> can somebody pull up update-manager
[17:03] <Bluefoxicy> and hit 'check'
[17:03] <brendand> crizzy, so if they haven't fixed it how can it be landed in stable?
[17:04] <crizzy> brendand: well i can't find the most annoying one (unity breaks completely if you change FONT SIZE), which they fixed for 12.04 unity, but won't release as update for either 11.04 or 11.10
[17:04] <Bluefoxicy> When I do this, after it downloads, mine spends 1-2 seconds between updates and updates the list with a handful of packages
[17:04] <Bluefoxicy> so maybe 10-15 minutes later it finally finishes displaying all 119 updates
[17:06] <brendand> crizzy, where do you change font size?
[17:06] <crizzy> ha! :) there's one peanut problem too
[17:06] <crizzy> but you can change this in accessibility settings
[17:06] <crizzy> without gnome-tweak-tool
[17:06] <crizzy> universal access > text size
[17:19] <WilsonBradley>  thought 12.04 was / is very stable.. but just now after updating/reboot it hangs at Speech dispatcher
[17:19] <WilsonBradley> Not sure what log files to look at
[17:27] <trism> crizzy: about bug 956159 , can you check apt-cache policy libpciaccess0; I believe you have a ppa which is breaking the install
[17:28] <crizzy> just a minute, gotta boot first..
[17:31] <crizzy> trism: http://pastebin.com/KQpGcY1h
[17:31] <crizzy> trism: as far as i know i shouldn't have any ppa's installed.. only spotifys repository
[17:32] <crizzy> trism: although, i did try xorg-edgers before.. could be leftover from that
[17:33] <trism> crizzy: yeah, that is it, that is the version from xorg-edgers, may try: sudo apt-get install libpciaccess0=0.12.902-1; (being careful that it doesn't try to remove a bunch of packages), and if successful, then try installing xorg-dev
[17:35] <crizzy> trism: yeah, worked. my mistake
[17:35] <trism> happens
[17:41] <imark> anyone using cinnamon? or trying to use it, on 12.04?
[17:46] <ironhalik> imark: it wouldnt work for me
[17:53] <nishttal2> hi guys.. i am thinking about installing 12.04.. is it "fairly" stable or a lot of bugs?
[17:53] <nishttal2> i know its beta so pls spare me the hate
[17:58] <Pretto> who knows why empathy's installation needs to remove emesene?
[17:59] <Pretto> as you can se here http://paste.ubuntu.com/885159/
[18:06] <trism> Pretto: based on bug 954026 , looks like emesene needs a rebuild against farstream, you should file a bug about it
[18:06] <trism> Pretto: although may need more work, I haven't looked at the package yet
[18:08] <Pretto> ok trism, thank you
[18:11] <imark> ironhalik: it was okay a few days ago now its not working
[18:13] <durt> hey folks, got a problem with new clickpad support, using two finger tap (for right click) crashes compiz (compiz restarts). The menu button between alt and ctrl on the right works fine to bring up right click menus
[18:14] <mylenthes> Anyone there today?
[18:14] <bazhang> yes
[18:14] <mylenthes> can you help me with gnome shell
[18:16] <durt> To finish my question, Where to start trouble shooting?
[18:40] <mylenthes> anyone
[18:41] <mylenthes> can anyone help me with my gnome shell problems?
[18:42] <trism> mylenthes: you need to tell us what the problems are before anyone here can help
[18:43] <mylenthes> Gnome shell freezes after 5-10 seconds. After logging in
[18:43] <mylenthes> I know my card can handle it, I run unity 3d, kfe, and pretty much everything else perfectly fine
[18:44] <cheako> Why does grub change it's name to Debian in /etc/default/grub ?  I'll have to look at where this pkg came from.
[18:44] <mylenthes> cheako, that happened to me also, i found a fix online
[18:44] <mylenthes> lemme see if i can find it
[18:44] <cheako> nah, I could fix it.
[18:45] <mylenthes> k
[18:45] <cheako> It's just something the pkg maintainer forgot to change when importing from Debian.
[18:46] <cheako> ...though things like git should have caught that?????
[18:46] <mylenthes> i think gnome shell with extras, or whatever its called, is what caused it
[18:47] <cheako> mylenthes: That would be some bug.
[18:48] <mylenthes> What the pkg?
[18:48] <cheako> grub-pc
[18:48] <cheako> 1.99-17ubuntu1
[18:48] <cheako> !show grub-pc
[18:48] <mylenthes> !grub-pc
[18:49] <mylenthes> !chrom
[18:49] <mylenthes> !chrome
[18:49] <cheako> hmm.
[18:49] <cheako> I just don't know how to use the bot.
[18:49] <cheako> !help
[18:49] <mylenthes> lol
[18:49] <mylenthes> !patience
[18:50] <Fyodorovna> cheako, you have a booting problem?
[18:50] <trism> cheako: !info packagename
[18:51] <trism> cheako: also see /msg ubottu msgthebot when you are exploring
[18:51] <cheako> Fyodorovna: no, I was doing an upgrade and the modified debconf file flag hit me.  I looked at the changes and it was s/Ubuntu/Debian/ and I kinda freaked.
[18:52] <Fyodorovna> cheako, ah that will happen :)
[18:53] <cheako> trism: Looking for it to print grub-pc 1.99-17ubuntu1 (precise)
[18:54] <yofel> !info grub-pc
[18:54] <cheako> :)
[18:56] <cheako> Fyodorovna: It wouldn’t have happnd though, if git or any one of the version systems was used.  A vendor import would not undo a local modification like that.
[19:07] <Fyodorovna> I have a ubuntu host and guest (virtualbox) and have forgotten the guest setup for a shared file with the host. I have it setup in settings at this point.
[19:07] <Fyodorovna> host is precise
[19:08] <Fyodorovna> I mean the guest
[19:08] <mylenthes> so can u guys help with my gnome-shell problem
[19:09] <WilsonBradley> can anyone help me remove speech_dispatch from Ubuntu?
[19:10] <WilsonBradley> It has some dependancies running - speakup & speakup_soft
[19:10] <WilsonBradley> Its giving me error for speech_dispatch
[19:20] <cheako> any ecryptfs lovers?  I'm attempting to create a new mount and I keep getting error attempting to validate mount options.  I'd like to use an openssl.  Looking for a good example of usable/helpful documentation.
[19:27] <cheako> looks like as soon as I remove the openssl part it works.
[19:27] <cheako> ...or it locks up my box.
[19:29] <cheako> lots of disk IO.  I hope this is swap,.
[19:31] <cheako> it stopped.
[19:31] <cheako> ahh, oom killed.
[19:31] <bwlang> i'm testing 12.04 server... i get stuck during boot at init-bottom ... done  - ctrl-c does nothing, no virtual terminals, etc.  Any clues?
[19:36] <mylenthes> my gnomeshell freezes after logging in
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[19:54] <WilsonBradley> How do I kill ?  Ubuntu:/boot/grub$ rmmod speakup_soft
[19:54] <WilsonBradley> ERROR: Module speakup_soft is in use
[19:58] <tsimpson> WilsonBradley: try with "modprobe -r" rather than "rmmod"
[20:00] <WilsonBradley> wilson# modprobe -r speakup_soft FATAL: Module speakup_soft is in use.
[20:30] <BlakJak> righto here's one... the crash report never renders a readable explanation... 'show details' only ever shows a stalled flower 'loading' animation...
[20:30] <BlakJak> hmm. disregard. Just worked for the first time. It was slow.
[20:56] <trippeh> Nooo, something is pulling in dbus ;)
[20:56] <trippeh> Huh, acpi-support
[21:05] <cheako> http://pastebin.com/2bHU0Nrn  Reset terminal didn't fix this.  mount.ecryptfs going wonky with it's questions it shouldn't have asked.
[21:07] <cheako> All I'm looking for is to setup ecryptfs using openssl keys.
[21:07] <cheako> ...or even just a password for testing.
[21:11] <cheako> what happened to farsight?
[21:25] <micahg> cheako: renamed to farstream?
[21:26] <micahg> or was that the other way
[21:26] <micahg> no, renamed to farstream is right
[21:31] <cheako> micahg: Yeah farsight == farsight1 and farstream == farsight2 # not not a typo.  The package was renamed, but the upstream project remains the same, AFAICT.  The is nothing called farstream, cept for the pkg.
[21:39] <htorque> can anyone confirm seeing a button "Set for all users" in 'System Settings → Color', when a color profile is selected?
[21:40] <Daekdroom> htorque, yes
[21:40] <htorque> Daekdroom: thanks
[21:51] <lucas-arg> hello, Im still trying to make my kworld ub405 usb tv stick to work with ubuntu, and so far i havent have any luck... thought i was gonna find support in ubuntu 12.04 which im running right now, ive checked linux tv and install drivers from git and no luck, any ideas where i can find some info about this issue?
[21:57] <mykrobinson> dangit. Empathy keeps growing as I type. How do i get it to stay t the window size i have set?
[22:10] <mykrobinson> any Empathy users in here?
[22:10] <Fudge> hi, is this known log. Please consider raising a bug report for this issue with the maintainer of that application
[22:11] <Fudge> Software catalog update was successful.
[22:11] <Fudge> oops the firs tline didnt paste, when upgrading software centre anyway
[22:11] <cheako> lucas-arg: Yeah, I feel you.
[22:12] <lucas-arg> cheako: u didnt find any solution? im frustrated i cant leave windows completely because of this...
[22:12] <cheako> Any great HDMI capture cards out there?
[22:13] <cheako> lucas-arg: It's like we are twins or something...  though I don't have any device like that currently.
[22:15] <cheako> lucas-arg: What type do you have?  OMNITUNE TUA 9001  or  Realtek RTL2832U DVB-T?  What does lsusb say?
[22:15] <lucas-arg> afatech something
[22:15] <lucas-arg> its neither of those
[22:17] <cheako> Rule of thumb with linux drivers, find out what microchip you have brand and product names are useless...  Un like in windows where two devices can have the same chip but the drivers will claim "That's not me."
[22:18] <cheako> Search for the vendor:product "ID" returned by lsusb.
[22:20] <lucas-arg> thats what lsusb says.. afatech numbers blablabla
[22:21] <Belial`> is anyone getting weird graphic glitches in the dash after the last update?
[22:21] <lucas-arg> me
[22:22] <Belial`> also, for some reason, it seems like every app using gtk3, when i mouse over to grab the scroll bar with the mouse, the scrollbar disappears.
[22:22] <Belial`> is that a known issue right now?
[22:26] <cheako> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Afatech_AF9015    lucas-arg: What numbers?
[22:27] <lucas-arg> cheako: ill check
[22:28] <lucas-arg> cheako: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1b80:a41c Afatech
[22:32] <cheako> lucas-arg: You might just need to add a41c to the supported devices list of one of the other 1b80 drivers.  Looks like there is a lot of support for you.
[22:34] <cheako> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices  Search for 1b80 in this list and email some of those ppl.
[22:42] <CheckIn> Hello
[22:43] <cheako> hi.
[22:43] <CheckIn>  I've installed Ubuntu Server on a machine and it's inaccessible because of the Firewall rules. Does Ubuntu server come with a restrictive set of IPchains by  default?
[22:44] <topyli> afaik everything is open by default
[22:44] <CheckIn> hmm
[22:44] <CheckIn> where did these rules come from then?
[22:44] <topyli> also, ipchains died when linux 2.4 came out :)
[22:45] <CheckIn> topyli: Yes the IPtables are made up of ipchains :)
[22:45] <topyli> probalby not the firewall anyway
[22:45] <CheckIn> The sets of ipchains are what make up the iptables
[22:45] <topyli> i thought iptables just sets rules for netfilter
[22:45] <CheckIn> topyli: iptables -F fixes the inaccessibility
[22:46] <topyli> oh so in 2.4 we just added a layer of abstraction?
[22:46] <CheckIn> Right. Or management if you want to look at it like that
[22:46] <topyli> maybe ubuntu server does have some firewall rules then. i have no idea why it would, though
[22:46] <cheako> is TYPE=squashfs valid in /etc/fstab?  What about conflicts?
[22:46] <CheckIn> maybe the server part? :)
[22:47] <CheckIn> I'll checkin with #ubuntu-server to see
[22:47] <topyli> CheckIn: that's no reason
[22:47] <CheckIn> topyli: I'd think it is ;-/
[22:48] <topyli> why would there be firewall rules when nothing is even listening to any port?
[22:48] <topyli> and if you add something that listens to a port, you probably want that port open :)
[22:50] <cheako> CheckIn/topyli almost nothing should be listening on external interfaces by default.
[22:50] <cheako> I can think of only ssh having external access as a default.
[22:51] <cheako> Apache/smtp/ect should all be loopback only by default.
[22:51] <cheako> snmp
[22:51] <CheckIn> cheako: no ssh installed by default
[22:52] <Fyodorovna> any cpu-frq scalers in precise
[22:52] <Fyodorovna> *freq
[22:53] <cheako> Fyodorovna: None that work on my box.  Though there are.
[22:54] <Fyodorovna> same here the stock indicator-cpufreq crashes  cheako
[22:55] <cheako> CheckIn: What's the problem?
[22:56] <cheako> Fyodorovna: I don't get a crash, it's just that this Athlon chip has that freaky I'll run double the clock speed if you promis to only use two cores for a bit and when these threads finish using cpu cycles I'll go back to sane clock settings.
[22:57] <CheckIn> cheako: Just got a lot of Firewall rules on bppt
[22:57] <CheckIn> boot
[22:58] <cheako> ohh.
[23:02] <CheckIn> http://imgur.com/UPvUG
[23:57] <FernandoMiguel> nite