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mykrobinsonevening, all00:17
MountainXJordan_U: use an ext2 /boot partition with your btrfs /00:23
dualMoonso, first off, any *known* issues installing WINE in 12.04b1?00:25
dualMoonalright, well I s'pose that answers that.00:27
dualMoonso here's what I'm hitting when I try to install WINE. I've tried with and without the WINE Team PPA.00:28
dualMoon  gettext-base: Conflicts: gettext-base but 0.18.1.1-5ubuntu3 is to be installed.00:28
dualMoon  gettext-base: Conflicts: gettext-base but 0.18.1.1-5ubuntu3 is installed.00:28
PruWhere can I find info about Partial Upgrade to 12.04 beta?00:36
micahgdualMoon: that package ins't multiarch'd yet00:36
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PruBecasue "An upgrade from 'precise' to 'oneiric' is not supported with this tool."00:37
dualMoonmicahg: ah. i think i understand what that means. anyway i understand the consequences. I assume there's no word on when it will be, eh?00:39
micahgdualMoon: please file a bug and tag multiarch with steps to reproduce00:39
PruNo word on when. But is there a work around?00:40
meerkatswill 12.04 be released at the beginning or end of 4?00:40
Daekdroom!schedule | meerkats00:40
ubottumeerkats: A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule00:40
PruSo I made a mistake trying to Update from 11 to 12beta with out sufficient time for a full install and had to run and shut down. Now I can't get to beta. I feel like this isn't the place for such an amateur question.00:44
PruAskUbuntu sent me here...00:44
tomreynshuttng down during an upgrade surely isn't a good idea... you could probably fix it now using apt-get on the command line00:46
tomreynhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Upgrades00:48
DulakIs the precise kernel affected by the 3.x kernel power regression or is it fixed?  Anyone know?00:50
DaekdroomDulak, I think the fix was backported to the Ubuntu kernel.00:55
DulakDaekdroom: sweet, thanks, gonna try precise out on my netbook, just didn't want to lose battery from the upgrade00:57
Fyodorovnatomreyn, try this is a terminal sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get -f install00:57
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tomreynFyodorovna: i think you want to walk to Pru01:00
Fyodorovnatomreyn, ?01:00
tomreynFyodorovna: you seem to be responding to a question i have not asked.01:01
PruI too am confused01:02
Fyodorovnatomreyn, ah Doh sorry..  try this is a terminal sudo dpkg --configure -a && sudo apt-get -f install  Pru01:02
PruErrors... Do you want specifics?01:03
blairwill 12.04 have gcc 4.7 packages, as it looks like it's releasing next week?01:06
snadgeluls01:07
snadgeblair: I would guess.. no01:07
snadgeunless it happens to fix a bunch of existing issues without creating many more01:07
blairsnadge, i don't except the whole OS to be recompiled, just wondering if packages will be available; it'll be nice to have more C++11 support01:08
DaekdroomWe're way past FeatureFreeze, blair01:08
Daekdroom!info gcc01:08
ubottugcc (source: gcc-defaults (1.112ubuntu5)): GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.6.3-1ubuntu5 (precise), package size 4 kB, installed size 41 kB (Only available for any all)01:08
blairdoes FeatureFreeze include non-"core" packages?  i get that 4.6.3 will be the default compiler, but ubuntu has 4.4, 4.5 also, so it could provide 4.7?01:11
snadgeim reasonably happy with precise as it stands.. i mean.. i use it on 5 systems01:11
PruSo since I messed up during my upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04b and Cannot Partial Upgrade how can I get back to 11.10?01:11
snadgeyou could always install it yourself from a ppa or something like that01:11
snadgeor use debian sid ;)01:11
blairtrue, somebody will probably make a ppa with it01:12
blairwell, i'm trying to get our company to move 500 desktops from fedora 13 to 12.04, debian sid won't work ;)01:12
snadgelol @ fedora on the desktop.. i have an f16 vm01:12
snadgei can see why you're wanting to migrate away from it01:12
DaekdroomPru, getting back to 11.10 is not doable even when 12.04 is working alright. Reinstall.01:13
snadgethey use systemd.. *shudders*.. im glad ubuntu has resisted that01:13
snadgeor was that a debian decision.. i dont know01:13
DaekdroomDoesn't Ubuntu use upstart instead?01:13
DaekdroomWhich has its own share of criticism?01:13
snadgeright but systemd supposedly supercedes upstart01:14
micahgsnadge: that's not necessarily true01:14
snadgei cant remember why exactly.. but the most horrible part about systemd is the ugly new syntax01:14
snadgeand lack of backwards compatibility01:14
snadgeat least upstart got that part right01:15
snadgesystemd appears to throw the baby out with the bath water01:15
snadgeand uses a confusing way to access it.. systemctl.. when theres already a sysctl01:16
snadgehttp://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html01:23
snadgefascinating :)01:23
snadgehttp://undacuvabrutha.wordpress.com/2011/04/29/why-ubuntu-should-continue-with-upstart-for-11-10/01:23
scientessnadge, systemd is nice01:23
scientesand its alot easier to get your head around than upstart01:23
snadgethose two articles contain probably more than you could ever want to know about upstart and systemd.. and why ubuntu is still using upstart.. and what makes systemd apparently so much better01:23
scientesand does a hell of alot better stuff01:23
scientessnadge, socket activation01:24
snadgei just wish he had've used something other than "systemctl" to interface with it01:24
snadgethat annoys me for some reason01:24
snadgethe guy is a smart guy.. but he sucks at choosing names for things and interfacing with it01:24
scientesits fine01:25
scientesyou are making a bikeshed argument01:25
jelmerscientes: socket activation is only useful in a limited number of cases (desktop system with some daemons that are irregularly used)01:25
jelmerscientes: upstart can do it too, if necessary01:25
scientesjelmer, no, it support persistant socket activation01:25
scientesalso cgroup clean killing01:25
scientesand socket activation is _very_ important for parallel startup01:25
snadgethe best part about upstart on ubuntu.. is you dont need to know how it works if you're just an end user01:26
jelmerscientes: what is persistant socket activation?01:26
snadgeyou can use the service command.. or the original init.d scripts01:26
scientesso you can just start everything, and it only blocks when it needs something back, but ifs a one-direction socket it can just write to a buffer01:26
scientesand it enables services to restart without interruption01:26
DulakMmm, keyboard layout is defaulting to the regular english instead of the dvorak one I have set as highest priority...  Anyone can confirm this?01:26
jelmerscientes: it also means you don't start something until the moment something else opens the socket01:26
scientesjelmer, i forget what systemd calls it, but it starts up ont he first connection, and it can controll when to shutdown, not started for every connection01:26
scientesjelmer, but if you shut down, then socket activation still works01:27
scienteswhich allows you to be much smarted with RAM usage01:27
scientes*smarter01:27
jelmermeh, RAM is cheap and the overhead of a daemon that's not doing anything is usually negligable01:28
scientes<jelmer> meh, RAM is cheap and the overhead of a daemon that's not doing anything is usually negligable01:28
scientesram is _NOT_ cheap01:28
scientesoh, geeze, to that statement01:28
jelmerI'd rather just have the daemon started earlier so the response time is lower01:28
PruThanks Daekdroom! I thought. Maybe in a couple of years Ill be able to hand with all of you01:29
scientessystemd is way better01:29
scientesit will improve boot times significantly01:29
scientesand doesn't require a kernel patch for readahead01:29
scienteslike upstart does01:29
jelmerscientes: the memory consumption of most daemons we're talking about here is trivial if they're idle, so in those terms RAM is cheap01:33
jelmerscientes: systemd delays starting daemons until something accesses them01:33
jelmerI'd be interested in seeing some comparisons in startup time between systemd, upstart and sysv01:33
jelmeranyway, sleep01:33
scientesjelmer, how about cups01:34
scientesI have a low-power system here that had crazy-ass cupage going on01:34
scientesand i've never tried to print anything01:34
scienteswith systemd it would never be touched01:34
scientesuntil someone actually tried to print01:34
scientessame with sshd01:34
MountainXscientes: opensuse uses systemd but it has a bug when the box is an NFS client.01:35
MountainXAnd the bug is exactly related to things not starting up in parallel correctly.01:35
scienteswell nfs is in the kernel01:35
jelmerscientes: you can't use socket activation for CUPS, CUPS does broadcasting of the available printers01:35
scientesdon't need socket activation there01:35
MountainXnetworking isn't started when it should be, so the system takes forever to boot up (if it is an NFS client)01:35
scientesjelmer, systemd does socket activation for cups, also there is a big shit-storm about that broadcasting01:35
MountainXthe solution on opensuse is to switch away from systemd01:35
scienteshmm, systemd+debian has worked for me01:36
MountainXI had to switch to system v init on opensuse 12.1 to solve my problem01:36
MountainXthere was no other solution proposed in the thread over there01:36
DaekdroomWhy not fix systemd instead of switching away?01:36
scientes^^^01:36
MountainXultimately that exact systemd problem is what drove me over here to try Kubuntu 12.04. (where I got a whole new set of problems ;)01:37
jelmerscientes: you should be comparing to a CUPS that's not broadcasting then though01:37
scientesMountainX, funny, i have the exact same problem, but with UBUNTU + upstart01:37
MountainXhaha01:37
scientesmy computer has to wait for a 60 sec timeout "waiting for network"01:37
scientesjust because i use interfaces to set up a bridge01:37
scienteswhich i guess upstart doesn't like01:38
jelmerscientes: what is the memory consumption of the idle sshd process, and how long does it take to start up?01:38
scientescause i want my virtualmachines bridged01:38
scientesjelmer, you know you could benchmark that yourself01:39
bodhi_zazenI am testing the kernel in 12.04, any idea when beta 2 will be out ?02:06
Daekdroom!schedule | bodhi_zazen02:06
ubottubodhi_zazen: A schedule of Precise Pangolin (12.04) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule02:06
bjsnider"Unlike other distributions, the Fedora / Red Hat developers actively work towards pushing their changes back upstream"03:09
bjsnideroh, well that's good03:09
vnI am trying to install ubuntu on my new boxes, without success so far, except natty x86, will try precise after since I want a LTS...are we supposed to be able to do software RAID in non-LTS GUI installs?03:13
bjsniderwhat do you mean without success?03:14
vnCPUs are Core i7-3960X, i7-2600K, FX-8120 and an APU A8-3850, I dont know it its too bleeding edge..03:16
vnbjsnider: blinking cursor at boot, cant get in grub with shift03:16
bjsnideri don't know why you'd have any ldm problem03:20
bjsnideryes, you should be able to use lvm on non-lts releases03:20
vnmore like mdadm03:20
bjsniderwith a blinking cursor you're not getting much troubleshooting data03:21
vnindeed, got any suggestions?  my friend thinks it's because I have bleeding edge hardware03:22
bjsnidercan you try just doing a normal install, ie. not raid?03:23
vnOK, let me put back the cpu and note partition infos03:24
bjsnideri wouldn't call the i7-2600k bleeding edge at this point03:26
vnindeed, not that one..but for lucid, it is03:29
Belial`anyone having issues with menus not highlighting in orange?03:36
Belial`and having to click to get submenus?03:36
vnbjsnider: normal automated install = blinking cursor too03:51
bjsniderdo the livecds work?03:51
vnyes03:51
bjsnideryou've got to be missing something here03:51
bjsnidersomething's not right03:51
bjsnideris there something crazy about your hard drives?03:52
bjsniderbecause that's the only difference03:52
bjsniderthe livecd works off a cd, and the install off a hard drive03:52
vn1x 300gb velociraptor, 2x caviar black 1tb03:53
vnbios mode is set to AHCI03:53
bjsnideris it an efi bios?03:53
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vnhow do I know?03:54
bjsnidercan you use the mouse in the bios?03:54
vnmotherboard is a p8q67-m DO/CSM03:54
vnyes03:54
bjsniderthat's efi03:55
vn:|03:55
vnso I'm stuck with installing windows..03:55
bjsniderso check out efi support in grub2. maybe other people have the same issue you do03:55
vnefi being uefi I guess?03:57
vnim trying with oneiric, apparently there are patches to circumvent efi04:00
bjsniderhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFIBooting04:00
bjsnideri would start out by manually partitioning the drive with gpt instead of mbr04:01
vnis that something new?04:02
bjsnidergpt is newer and more advanced than mbr, just like efi is more advanced than bios04:03
bjsnideri'll bet that's your actual issue, is no gpt04:03
bjsniderbut it's not a big deal to do that04:03
vnok, trying that04:04
bjsnideryou should also be using 64-bit, but i assume you are04:06
vnim tryin g x86 and 864 as I had experiences where x86 was better than x6404:09
bjsnideri'm not sure if this works at all on i386, so that could be your problem04:10
vnlivecd wouldnt boot no?04:11
Jordan_U!bootinfo | vn04:12
ubottuvn: Boot info script is a usefull script for diagnosing boot problems. Run the script following the directions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1291280 and then look at RESULTS.txt (or !pastebin it for others to look at).04:12
vnoneiric x84 doesnt even boot the livecd like my main computer,  stdin error 0 and more errors after the splash screen where you tell what you want to do with the cd....I'm gonna burn precise x64 tomorrow (no more cd/dvd-r here) and keep you posted04:16
vnx64*04:16
andrewacltIs anybody aware of a bug where icons show up multiple times in the launcher of applications that are open?04:31
fre3birdwhen is release date of pangolin ?05:06
IcemanV9fre3bird: so far, it's April 26th05:09
fre3birdthank you05:09
snadgeshould be april 1st ;)05:10
snadgewith a real release on the 26th05:10
snadgetrolling people into installing the beta.. interesting idea05:10
vnxthen it'd be named fishy pangolin05:11
vnphishy*05:11
MCRLatest Unity version does not want to start here (Precise). I have to remove Unity completely to make my desktop boot. I am not using any Compiz/Unity PPAs anymore. Also my right mousebutton problem is back (right mousebutton kills Compiz). Can someone help me with that ?07:02
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magn3tsI will pay someone $100 if they would fucking patch rhythmbox to quit on window close like every other application under the sun.07:47
snadgeyou can select quit from the menu07:48
snadgebut sure.. i noticed that, kind of annoying07:48
snadgeactually.. its already been patched07:48
micahg!ohmy | magn3ts07:49
ubottumagn3ts: Please remember that all Ubuntu IRC channels share the same attitude of providing friendly and polite interaction with all users of all ages and cultures. Basically, this means no foul language and no abuse towards others.07:49
scientesis there a new chat application instead of empathy?07:49
magn3tsI'll have to look up who committed the patch.07:49
snadgeactually.. you hit ctrl-q it quits.. if you close it, it continues playing07:49
magn3tsmicahg: my apologies, I get used to being away from #ubuntu07:49
magn3tssnadge: grrrr07:49
snadgeprobably expected and more desirable default behaviour07:49
scienteshttp://paste.debian.net/159796/07:49
magn3tssnadge: what other media player does that?07:50
magn3tsbanshee is configurable, itunes, windows media player quit on close, etc.07:50
micahgright with sound menu integration, some people just want the window out of the way07:50
magn3tsmicahg: but rhythmbox doesn't respect the presence of the sound menu at all. :/07:50
snadgeyeah.. i guess an option would be nice.. most chat programs i know of that have that behaviour.. its also configurable07:50
magn3tsmicahg: because I do understand that use case07:50
scienteshttp://paste.debian.net/159796/ <-- what is going on?07:50
snadgesure it does.. its in the volume menu07:50
micahgoh?  it shows up for me07:51
micahgsorry, I meant sound indicator :)07:51
magn3tsIf I'm not running sound-indicator... I don't want it to keep playing because there's no way to control the music, like for example if someone isn't, cough, running unity07:51
snadgetheres only an option to pause it in the indicator menu as well.. you cant quit from there07:51
snadgethen press ctrl-q :p07:52
snadgeor music -> quit07:52
magn3tssnadge: apparently... I'm too used to expose mode. I know that hacker types would probably squiel in terror at how I abuse shell's expose feature07:52
magn3tsanyway, sorry for the outburst, I'm going to go back to django07:53
snadgeif that was my greatest problem with ubuntu.. i would be over the moon07:54
snadgeim more concerned about the things that arn't easily fixable or worked around :P07:54
magn3tsheh, not the only, just the current :)07:54
magn3tsactually I'm using rhythmbox because subsonic or flash are nearly literally killing my computer07:55
magn3tsIf I leave firefox and subsonic streaming via Flash, X crashes after about 10-15 minutes. Sometimes it takes down my whole system :[07:55
MCRI envy you and your problems :). I have no indicators here at all - Unity won't even start :P08:17
MCRand my right mousebutton kills Compiz ! Yeah !08:17
eruditehermithey, is there a way to open the battery usage application from the terminal?08:22
MCRcompiz[3440] trap int3 ip:7f8471cc613b sp:7fffd54c9bd0 error:009:24
MCR^^^when clicking right mousebutton. HELP !09:25
scienteshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/18856409:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 188564 in Launchpad itself "Build also packages for Debian in PPA's" [Low,Triaged]09:26
phaidrosehlo, wanted to do the usual early upgrade to the next ubuntu, but atm it looks like a very dependency hell :)09:43
phaidrossomething to do about ? (commented all PPAs and 3rd party sources.lists etc already)09:44
MCRphaidros: Already killed one system with the upgrade - think twice about it :)09:44
phaidrosMCR: yeah, thought so .. as I didnt look too close, I accepted a safe-upgrade via update-manager. I am not sure I want to reboot now :)09:46
MCRphaidros: My tip: Never turn off your computer until end of April ;)09:47
phaidroshonestly, this is the first time I ever see an alpha/beta version in that mess, earlier ubuntu pre-releases were much more robust at htat time before release. since years09:47
phaidrosI'd say since dapper09:47
phaidrosMCR: hrhr, at least suspend still works for now, some fonts gone strange, but I can handle that :D09:48
MCRphaidros: I cannot say that I am satisfied with 12.04 either. A lot of stuff I need is not available (yet) and I am experiencing heavy troubles with Compiz and Unity...09:49
MCRand cannot get help anywhere09:49
MCRphaidros: I hope your first reboot will be successful.09:50
zoraelDid netbios hostname resolution behavior change in precise? I've *always* (7.04 and onward or so) gotten it to work with winbind (modifying /etc/nsswitch.conf), but now it simply refuses to work.09:50
zoraelsmbtree finds the shares, nslookup just asks my ISP DNS despite wins being entered before dns in said nsswitch.conf09:51
phaidroshm, unity is considered broken here as well, since its introduction a year ago major problems didnt get fixed. e.g. I have alot of focussing issues, which destroys workflows completely .. I could curse about that every day. it even is harmful every now and then, to have the focus on a window on a different workspace than the one actually visible. (imagine CTRL-q) .. so I hoped 12.04 wil bring fixes for that09:51
MCRphaidros: I wish I would have just that kind of problems ;)09:52
phaidrosMCR: uh ?! o.O09:52
phaidrosMCR: so it just doesnt work at all for you?09:52
MCRphaidros: Here Unity fails to start completely and I have to remove it for the desktop to boot.09:52
MCRphaidros: and clicking the right mousebutton makes compiz crash - HURRA09:53
MCRphaidros: The strange stuff is: I have removed all Unity/Compiz ppas. I really do not know how to fix it.09:53
MCRphaidros: Waiting for updates is kind of boring...09:54
MCRoh, at least I am not alone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/95407909:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 954079 in compiz (Ubuntu) "right-click crashes graphical environment" [Undecided,Confirmed]09:56
UrBheh, joys of pre-versions09:56
UrBI've had to re-install whole system once this far when I ran out of talent to back down to last working setup09:57
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MCRat least there is a workaround for the right mb problem...10:11
MCRso I got that functionality back (RMB), while losing the Shift-Switcher10:11
topylisometimes my epiphany integrates nicely to the shell, sometimes it still insists on showing the menubar10:46
topylithis i do not like :\10:47
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encrypt_hi, run an upgrade this morning and networkmanager doesnt work anymore, have tried with iwconfig and cant connect either11:12
encrypt_pls, i run an upgrade this morning and after rebooting NetworkManager is not working, have to use the live-cd now to get connected11:21
e01hello11:52
e01where i can found source of the unity launcher11:52
delightis there others suffering from this kde-proxy-settings problem in precise 12.04 ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1163655112:08
delightis there a ticket to it ?12:08
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chronosSomeone more having troubles with 12.04 Nvidia drivers? I can't set my dual monitor setup correctly. The nvidia-settings setup second monitor as first monitor!13:01
chronosAlso I have seeing strips on lightdm start and on KDE start13:02
chronosback...well, I upgraded things here and still with problems on Nvidia settings13:15
chronosubuntu team do something about or just say 'it's with nvidia guys'?13:16
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delightchronos: nvidia-drivers wor fine for me on precise (nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M)13:19
chronosdelight: here is completely weird. I'm comming from 11.10 via distupgrade, I don't know if that can be some issue of 11.10 (where the nvidia-config works marking monitor as clone and than as left or right).13:56
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jo-erlendam I the only one who feels the system has been radically worsened since todays upgrades? Everything is slow, unstable and generally poor quality. :(14:17
topylignome-shell's menu integration is a bit broken today. the new gnome apps (web, docs, contacts) are supposed to have their menus transferred to the shell panel. today, i see menus in both the panel and the app window15:08
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doda_hi folks15:25
doda_where do i check for precise pangolin bugs ?15:27
doda_i have 2 visible problems15:27
WilsonBradleyIm loving Ubuntu 12.0415:49
WilsonBradleyWith all the updates it seems solid15:49
WilsonBradleyI don't want to go back to Windows :-(15:49
andrewacltnot solid yet :/15:49
WilsonBradleyWell, havent had to many issues ... YET15:52
WilsonBradleycross my fingers15:52
WilsonBradleyIs there something in Debian that works like System restore?15:52
WilsonBradleyI want to backup everything15:52
atpa8ahello15:53
atpa8aany word on if btrfsck will be ready for the final release?15:53
WilsonBradley?15:54
bazhang!find btrfs15:57
ubottuFound: btrfs-tools, btrfs-tools-dbg, apt-btrfs-snapshot15:57
bazhang!info btrfs-tools15:58
ubottubtrfs-tools (source: btrfs-tools): Checksumming Copy on Write Filesystem utilities. In component main, is optional. Version 0.19+20100601-3ubuntu3 (precise), package size 794 kB, installed size 1724 kB15:58
atpa8aright now, btrfsck doesn't do anything15:58
bazhangatpa8a, not sure if that is included there15:58
WilsonBradleyThats command line.. looking for a Gui15:58
bazhang!sbackup | WilsonBradley15:59
ubottuWilsonBradley: sbackup is a tool to create complete and/or incremental backups (which can be scheduled to be automatic, and can be done over a network). It is available in !Universe15:59
bazhangnot much easier gui than that one16:00
WilsonBradleythank you , Ithink I installed that.. just not sure if it would do a restore like System Restore in Windows... (registry)16:00
atpa8ai personally like bacula16:00
atpa8athere's a gui and even monitor for the tray16:00
atpa8abut i don't use those16:01
bazhang!info backintime-common16:01
ubottubackintime-common (source: backintime): simple backup/snapshot system. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.8-1 (precise), package size 166 kB, installed size 1188 kB16:01
WilsonBradleyYes, I like back in time.. Will that restore back before a system update?16:04
WilsonBradleyim just SOOOO worried about something updating and fu#$% everything up.. I worked on this for DAYS16:04
WilsonBradley?16:07
bazhanglike windows system restore? doubt it16:08
bazhanggenerally its good practice to have a separate home partition, and regularly do backups, such as above, with rsync or the myriad other tools available16:09
WilsonBradleyYa, Iv'e got it scheduled to backup my Home folder.. is that good enough?16:10
bazhangsure16:11
bazhangbut to be absolutely safe /home is the better idea16:11
bicyclistSigh, my gnome 3 installation seems to be broken. No more window decorations.16:11
bicyclistAnyone any hints?16:12
WilsonBradleyok, thanks Bazhang.. will keep backing up the Home folder16:16
bazhangok16:16
bazhang!home16:16
ubottuYour home directory is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For moving your home directory to a separate partition, please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving16:16
WilsonBradleymoving it seems a little risky16:17
WilsonBradleyIm keeping it backed up on a external drive16:17
crizzylibpciaccess-dev : Depends: libpciaccess0 (= 0.12.902-1) but 0.13-1~precise1 is to be installed16:18
crizzyfuuu16:18
crizzycan't get xorg-dev installed ;(16:18
crizzymeh.. how i can set grub to boot windows by default? tired of this black hole of bugs16:52
andrewacltShould you be running the beta if you can't use google?16:53
crizzyit has fixes for bugs that never got updated in stable...16:54
crizzy... and unstable has bunch of bugs on its own16:54
crizzywindows is simply better and bug-free :/16:54
bazhanggrub2 wiki?16:54
bazhangcrizzy, you read it?16:55
crizzyand canonical has this 'tarded attitude nowadays to include bugfixes only in the next distro release and they won't release fixes for stable at all..16:55
bazhangcrizzy, not the channel for that, please dont start16:55
bazhangcrizzy, beta is *not* stable16:56
crizzyneither stable is stable.. :)16:56
bazhangfile bugs to make it better16:56
crizzyi have filed16:56
crizzytons of them16:56
crizzynothing gets fixed16:56
bazhangranting wont change it16:56
brendandcrizzy - examples?16:57
crizzyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/95615916:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 956159 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Cannot install xserver-xorg-dev headers due broken dependencies" [Undecided,New]16:57
crizzyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/95474516:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 954745 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Setting evdev as mouse driver segfaults X" [Undecided,New]16:57
crizzyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/miro/+bug/95449616:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 954496 in miro (Ubuntu) "miro segfaults every couple minutes" [Undecided,New]16:57
crizzyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libxxf86dga/+bug/95396016:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 953960 in libxxf86dga (Ubuntu) "Mouse scrolling works randomly with games using DGA for mouseinput" [Undecided,New]16:57
crizzydo you really want me to flood all the bugs here that i've reported?16:58
andrewacltThose are all precise bugs16:58
andrewacltthat's kind of the point of running the beta16:58
crizzyexactly16:58
crizzyand this is channel for precise16:58
crizzyduh16:58
andrewacltSo I don't understand why you'r raging, when you're doing exactly as you should be?16:59
andrewacltI think brendand was asking for bugs in stable that you've reported that have been ignored16:59
brendandcrizzy, those bugs were reported 3 days ago16:59
crizzyi'm raging because 11.10 doesn't work a crap either. for example none of the unity BUG fixes that landed in 12.04 hasn't been (and won't be) released as updates for 11.1016:59
brendandcrizzy, really?17:00
crizzyreally17:00
crizzyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/85613817:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 856138 in compiz (Ubuntu) "window decoration fails to respond" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:00
crizzyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/87948817:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 879488 in unity-2d "[spaces] Vertical strip of desktop visible in spaces display" [Undecided,New]17:01
brendandcrizzy, and those are all absent in precise?17:02
crizzywindow decorators still fail to respond in precise, so it's not fixed anywhere17:02
crizzyi reported it during 11.10 beta17:02
Bluefoxicycan somebody pull up update-manager17:03
Bluefoxicyand hit 'check'17:03
brendandcrizzy, so if they haven't fixed it how can it be landed in stable?17:03
crizzybrendand: well i can't find the most annoying one (unity breaks completely if you change FONT SIZE), which they fixed for 12.04 unity, but won't release as update for either 11.04 or 11.1017:04
BluefoxicyWhen I do this, after it downloads, mine spends 1-2 seconds between updates and updates the list with a handful of packages17:04
Bluefoxicyso maybe 10-15 minutes later it finally finishes displaying all 119 updates17:04
brendandcrizzy, where do you change font size?17:06
crizzyha! :) there's one peanut problem too17:06
crizzybut you can change this in accessibility settings17:06
crizzywithout gnome-tweak-tool17:06
crizzyuniversal access > text size17:06
WilsonBradley thought 12.04 was / is very stable.. but just now after updating/reboot it hangs at Speech dispatcher17:19
WilsonBradleyNot sure what log files to look at17:19
trismcrizzy: about bug 956159 , can you check apt-cache policy libpciaccess0; I believe you have a ppa which is breaking the install17:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 956159 in xorg-server (Ubuntu) "Cannot install xserver-xorg-dev headers due broken dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95615917:27
crizzyjust a minute, gotta boot first..17:28
crizzytrism: http://pastebin.com/KQpGcY1h17:31
crizzytrism: as far as i know i shouldn't have any ppa's installed.. only spotifys repository17:31
crizzytrism: although, i did try xorg-edgers before.. could be leftover from that17:32
trismcrizzy: yeah, that is it, that is the version from xorg-edgers, may try: sudo apt-get install libpciaccess0=0.12.902-1; (being careful that it doesn't try to remove a bunch of packages), and if successful, then try installing xorg-dev17:33
crizzytrism: yeah, worked. my mistake17:35
trismhappens17:35
imarkanyone using cinnamon? or trying to use it, on 12.04?17:41
ironhalikimark: it wouldnt work for me17:46
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nishttal2hi guys.. i am thinking about installing 12.04.. is it "fairly" stable or a lot of bugs?17:53
nishttal2i know its beta so pls spare me the hate17:53
Prettowho knows why empathy's installation needs to remove emesene?17:58
Prettoas you can se here http://paste.ubuntu.com/885159/17:59
trismPretto: based on bug 954026 , looks like emesene needs a rebuild against farstream, you should file a bug about it18:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 954026 in farsight2 (Ubuntu) "Remove farsight2 from archive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95402618:06
trismPretto: although may need more work, I haven't looked at the package yet18:06
Prettook trism, thank you18:08
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imarkironhalik: it was okay a few days ago now its not working18:11
durthey folks, got a problem with new clickpad support, using two finger tap (for right click) crashes compiz (compiz restarts). The menu button between alt and ctrl on the right works fine to bring up right click menus18:13
mylenthesAnyone there today?18:14
bazhangyes18:14
mylenthescan you help me with gnome shell18:14
durtTo finish my question, Where to start trouble shooting?18:16
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mylenthesanyone18:40
mylenthescan anyone help me with my gnome shell problems?18:41
trismmylenthes: you need to tell us what the problems are before anyone here can help18:42
mylenthesGnome shell freezes after 5-10 seconds. After logging in18:43
mylenthesI know my card can handle it, I run unity 3d, kfe, and pretty much everything else perfectly fine18:43
cheakoWhy does grub change it's name to Debian in /etc/default/grub ?  I'll have to look at where this pkg came from.18:44
mylenthescheako, that happened to me also, i found a fix online18:44
mylentheslemme see if i can find it18:44
cheakonah, I could fix it.18:44
mylenthesk18:45
cheakoIt's just something the pkg maintainer forgot to change when importing from Debian.18:45
cheako...though things like git should have caught that?????18:46
mylenthesi think gnome shell with extras, or whatever its called, is what caused it18:46
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cheakomylenthes: That would be some bug.18:47
mylenthesWhat the pkg?18:48
cheakogrub-pc18:48
cheako1.99-17ubuntu118:48
cheako!show grub-pc18:48
mylenthes!grub-pc18:48
mylenthes!chrom18:49
mylenthes!chrome18:49
cheakohmm.18:49
cheakoI just don't know how to use the bot.18:49
cheako!help18:49
mylentheslol18:49
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience18:49
mylenthes!patience18:49
ubottuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/18:49
Fyodorovnacheako, you have a booting problem?18:50
trismcheako: !info packagename18:50
trismcheako: also see /msg ubottu msgthebot when you are exploring18:51
cheakoFyodorovna: no, I was doing an upgrade and the modified debconf file flag hit me.  I looked at the changes and it was s/Ubuntu/Debian/ and I kinda freaked.18:51
Fyodorovnacheako, ah that will happen :)18:52
cheakotrism: Looking for it to print grub-pc 1.99-17ubuntu1 (precise)18:53
yofel!info grub-pc18:54
ubottugrub-pc (source: grub2): GRand Unified Bootloader, version 2 (PC/BIOS version). In component main, is optional. Version 1.99-17ubuntu1 (precise), package size 128 kB, installed size 436 kB (Only available for any-i386 any-amd64 any-powerpc any-ppc64 any-sparc any-mipsel i386 kopensolaris-i386 amd64 powerpc ppc64 sparc mipsel kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)18:54
cheako:)18:54
cheakoFyodorovna: It wouldn’t have happnd though, if git or any one of the version systems was used.  A vendor import would not undo a local modification like that.18:56
FyodorovnaI have a ubuntu host and guest (virtualbox) and have forgotten the guest setup for a shared file with the host. I have it setup in settings at this point.19:07
Fyodorovnahost is precise19:07
FyodorovnaI mean the guest19:08
mylenthesso can u guys help with my gnome-shell problem19:08
WilsonBradleycan anyone help me remove speech_dispatch from Ubuntu?19:09
WilsonBradleyIt has some dependancies running - speakup & speakup_soft19:10
WilsonBradleyIts giving me error for speech_dispatch19:10
cheakoany ecryptfs lovers?  I'm attempting to create a new mount and I keep getting error attempting to validate mount options.  I'd like to use an openssl.  Looking for a good example of usable/helpful documentation.19:20
cheakolooks like as soon as I remove the openssl part it works.19:27
cheako...or it locks up my box.19:27
cheakolots of disk IO.  I hope this is swap,.19:29
cheakoit stopped.19:31
cheakoahh, oom killed.19:31
bwlangi'm testing 12.04 server... i get stuck during boot at init-bottom ... done  - ctrl-c does nothing, no virtual terminals, etc.  Any clues?19:31
mylenthesmy gnomeshell freezes after logging in19:36
FernandoMiguelevening19:46
WilsonBradleyHow do I kill ?  Ubuntu:/boot/grub$ rmmod speakup_soft19:54
WilsonBradleyERROR: Module speakup_soft is in use19:54
tsimpsonWilsonBradley: try with "modprobe -r" rather than "rmmod"19:58
WilsonBradleywilson# modprobe -r speakup_soft FATAL: Module speakup_soft is in use.20:00
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BlakJakrighto here's one... the crash report never renders a readable explanation... 'show details' only ever shows a stalled flower 'loading' animation...20:30
BlakJakhmm. disregard. Just worked for the first time. It was slow.20:30
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trippehNooo, something is pulling in dbus ;)20:56
trippehHuh, acpi-support20:56
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cheakohttp://pastebin.com/2bHU0Nrn  Reset terminal didn't fix this.  mount.ecryptfs going wonky with it's questions it shouldn't have asked.21:05
cheakoAll I'm looking for is to setup ecryptfs using openssl keys.21:07
cheako...or even just a password for testing.21:07
cheakowhat happened to farsight?21:11
micahgcheako: renamed to farstream?21:25
micahgor was that the other way21:26
micahgno, renamed to farstream is right21:26
cheakomicahg: Yeah farsight == farsight1 and farstream == farsight2 # not not a typo.  The package was renamed, but the upstream project remains the same, AFAICT.  The is nothing called farstream, cept for the pkg.21:31
htorquecan anyone confirm seeing a button "Set for all users" in 'System Settings → Color', when a color profile is selected?21:39
Daekdroomhtorque, yes21:40
htorqueDaekdroom: thanks21:40
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lucas-arghello, Im still trying to make my kworld ub405 usb tv stick to work with ubuntu, and so far i havent have any luck... thought i was gonna find support in ubuntu 12.04 which im running right now, ive checked linux tv and install drivers from git and no luck, any ideas where i can find some info about this issue?21:51
mykrobinsondangit. Empathy keeps growing as I type. How do i get it to stay t the window size i have set?21:57
mykrobinsonany Empathy users in here?22:10
Fudgehi, is this known log. Please consider raising a bug report for this issue with the maintainer of that application22:10
FudgeSoftware catalog update was successful.22:11
Fudgeoops the firs tline didnt paste, when upgrading software centre anyway22:11
cheakolucas-arg: Yeah, I feel you.22:11
lucas-argcheako: u didnt find any solution? im frustrated i cant leave windows completely because of this...22:12
cheakoAny great HDMI capture cards out there?22:12
cheakolucas-arg: It's like we are twins or something...  though I don't have any device like that currently.22:13
cheakolucas-arg: What type do you have?  OMNITUNE TUA 9001  or  Realtek RTL2832U DVB-T?  What does lsusb say?22:15
lucas-argafatech something22:15
lucas-argits neither of those22:15
cheakoRule of thumb with linux drivers, find out what microchip you have brand and product names are useless...  Un like in windows where two devices can have the same chip but the drivers will claim "That's not me."22:17
cheakoSearch for the vendor:product "ID" returned by lsusb.22:18
lucas-argthats what lsusb says.. afatech numbers blablabla22:20
Belial`is anyone getting weird graphic glitches in the dash after the last update?22:21
lucas-argme22:21
Belial`also, for some reason, it seems like every app using gtk3, when i mouse over to grab the scroll bar with the mouse, the scrollbar disappears.22:22
Belial`is that a known issue right now?22:22
cheakohttp://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Afatech_AF9015    lucas-arg: What numbers?22:26
lucas-argcheako: ill check22:27
lucas-argcheako: Bus 001 Device 003: ID 1b80:a41c Afatech22:28
cheakolucas-arg: You might just need to add a41c to the supported devices list of one of the other 1b80 drivers.  Looks like there is a lot of support for you.22:32
cheakohttp://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices  Search for 1b80 in this list and email some of those ppl.22:34
CheckInHello22:42
cheakohi.22:43
CheckIn I've installed Ubuntu Server on a machine and it's inaccessible because of the Firewall rules. Does Ubuntu server come with a restrictive set of IPchains by  default?22:43
topyliafaik everything is open by default22:44
CheckInhmm22:44
CheckInwhere did these rules come from then?22:44
topylialso, ipchains died when linux 2.4 came out :)22:44
CheckIntopyli: Yes the IPtables are made up of ipchains :)22:45
topyliprobalby not the firewall anyway22:45
CheckInThe sets of ipchains are what make up the iptables22:45
topylii thought iptables just sets rules for netfilter22:45
CheckIntopyli: iptables -F fixes the inaccessibility22:45
topylioh so in 2.4 we just added a layer of abstraction?22:46
CheckInRight. Or management if you want to look at it like that22:46
topylimaybe ubuntu server does have some firewall rules then. i have no idea why it would, though22:46
cheakois TYPE=squashfs valid in /etc/fstab?  What about conflicts?22:46
CheckInmaybe the server part? :)22:46
CheckInI'll checkin with #ubuntu-server to see22:47
topyliCheckIn: that's no reason22:47
CheckIntopyli: I'd think it is ;-/22:47
topyliwhy would there be firewall rules when nothing is even listening to any port?22:48
topyliand if you add something that listens to a port, you probably want that port open :)22:48
cheakoCheckIn/topyli almost nothing should be listening on external interfaces by default.22:50
cheakoI can think of only ssh having external access as a default.22:50
cheakoApache/smtp/ect should all be loopback only by default.22:51
cheakosnmp22:51
CheckIncheako: no ssh installed by default22:51
Fyodorovnaany cpu-frq scalers in precise22:52
Fyodorovna*freq22:52
cheakoFyodorovna: None that work on my box.  Though there are.22:53
Fyodorovnasame here the stock indicator-cpufreq crashes  cheako22:54
cheakoCheckIn: What's the problem?22:55
cheakoFyodorovna: I don't get a crash, it's just that this Athlon chip has that freaky I'll run double the clock speed if you promis to only use two cores for a bit and when these threads finish using cpu cycles I'll go back to sane clock settings.22:56
CheckIncheako: Just got a lot of Firewall rules on bppt22:57
CheckInboot22:57
cheakoohh.22:58
CheckInhttp://imgur.com/UPvUG23:02
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