| mhall119 | wendar: ajmitch: stgraber: ping | 16:13 |
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| mhall119 | Someone on G+ is asking for some clarification about what his package should put in /opt/ | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | https://plus.google.com/108728447943307421833/posts | 16:14 |
| mhall119 | can one of you give him an answer, of give me the answer and I'll give it to him | 16:15 |
| mhall119 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/884992/ is you can't see that | 16:15 |
| stgraber | mhall119: in most cases, it's simply everything except the .desktop file | 16:16 |
| stgraber | mhall119: we also now allow /usr/share/doc/<packagename> but it's debhelper's default anyway so I don't think I ever saw someone actually put them in /opt (we always had to do it for them) | 16:17 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: so the binary goes in /opt/ too? | 16:40 |
| mhall119 | and the .desktop just points to it there? | 16:41 |
| stgraber | mhall119: yes | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | stgraber: how about icons? Do they all go into /opt/ too, and if so does GTK know to find them there if you reference them by name instead of path? | 16:44 |
| stgraber | mhall119: "everything" :) | 16:44 |
| mhall119 | ok | 16:44 |
| mhall119 | thanks, I'll let him know | 16:44 |
| stgraber | mhall119: you need to put the path in the .desktop for it to work | 16:44 |
| mhall119 | for Exec only, or Exec and Icon? | 16:45 |
| stgraber | both | 16:46 |
| stgraber | gtk doesn't know to look in /opt and we don't really want it to either | 16:46 |
| stgraber | the whole idea behind using /opt is to avoid having any of them automatically found/loaded by the OS unless you're calling them by their path | 16:47 |
| mhall119 | ok | 16:47 |
| wendar | mhall119: there are more details at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Review/Guidelines | 19:42 |
| wendar | I forgot to ask about chairs for the next meeting at the end of last month's meeting | 19:43 |
| wendar | (I've added it back into the end of the agenda, so I'll remember in the future) | 19:43 |
| wendar | Anyone want to volunteer? | 19:44 |
| * ajmitch checked next meeting date | 19:44 | |
| ajmitch | we're keeping it at the same UTC time? | 19:44 |
| wendar | yeah, same time | 19:44 |
| ajmitch | ok, I can do it then | 19:44 |
| wendar | cool, thanks! | 19:44 |
| ajmitch | next month I'll be back to UTC+12 | 19:44 |
| wendar | love those international daylight saving time shifts :) | 19:45 |
| ajmitch | yeah, it's just great :) | 19:46 |
| wendar | I recovered some lost action items | 19:46 |
| ajmitch | oh, what'd we miss? | 19:46 |
| wendar | apparently our "emergency" meeting in January wiped out several pending action items | 19:46 |
| wendar | I had one to ask about the deprecation cycle for python-support | 19:46 |
| ajmitch | ok, I did follow up with dpitkin at least :) | 19:46 |
| wendar | (I've just emailed doko and barry to check in on that) | 19:47 |
| wendar | lfaraone had one about python-support in Quickly | 19:47 |
| wendar | actually, in python-distutils-extra, which Quickly uses | 19:48 |
| wendar | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-distutils-extra/+bug/894582 | 19:48 |
| ajmitch | I asked about #927588, #915902, #926032 to see if he'd prioritise getting those 3 fixed | 19:48 |
| wendar | you had one about asking (someone, I'm not sure who) about ARB packages depending on backports | 19:48 |
| wendar | but, I'm pretty sure the answer to that one is "no" | 19:49 |
| wendar | at least, if it came to a vote, I'd be against ARB packages depending on backports | 19:49 |
| ajmitch | right, I asked broder & michag about the state of that, it's ok for runtime dependencies, but there's a LP bug that blocks build-dependencies | 19:49 |
| wendar | ah, okay | 19:50 |
| wendar | I remember, it was a question of whether it was even possible for ARB packages to depend on backports | 19:50 |
| wendar | should we keep a note of that somewhere? | 19:50 |
| ajmitch | right, but we mostly wanted it for the case of new libraries being added via backports, iirc | 19:50 |
| wendar | yup | 19:51 |
| ajmitch | https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/888665 is the LP bug, it's due to it using an ancient forked sbuild | 19:51 |
| wendar | so, to say if it's safe, and non-disruptive, we could have an ARB depend on a backported library | 19:51 |
| wendar | if it's a new library, and not an updated version of an existing library in the old release | 19:52 |
| ajmitch | it'd just be hard to build against that library | 19:52 |
| wendar | so, at this point we'd be stuck with runtime python libraries | 19:52 |
| wendar | and no build-time C, etc libraries | 19:53 |
| ajmitch | actually a new library would likely work | 19:53 |
| ajmitch | since the PPA can have backports dependencies turned on, and the backports version would be the only version to satisfy the requirement, it ought to work :) | 19:53 |
| wendar | i.e. it's hard to give a one-size-fits all answer | 19:54 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 19:54 |
| wendar | How about this addition to the ARB guidelines: right after "If your app depends on external libraries, please make sure that your app runs on the current versions shipped in Ubuntu." | 19:54 |
| ajmitch | we do currently have "Applications must be able to be built with tools & libraries in the Ubuntu archive. Apps may bundle additional libraries they depend on, but may not include new versions of already packaged libraries." | 19:56 |
| wendar | we add "(We're open to considering dependencies on backported libraries, on a case-by-case basis, only if the backport is a new library and not an updated version of an existing library.) | 19:56 |
| ajmitch | ok | 19:56 |
| wendar | that leaves it open for the devs to either bundle the library or backport it | 19:57 |
| wendar | with the same effect, they can only depend on existing libraries, or a new library | 19:57 |
| wendar | but not updated versions of existing libraries | 19:57 |
| ajmitch | that's fair - no depending on a new version of Qt & boost :) | 19:58 |
| * wendar shudders ;) | 19:58 | |
| ajmitch | it'd be nice to get the LP bug fixed, but it's not a simple fix that just anyone can pick up & do, I suspect | 19:58 |
| ajmitch | wendar: so I didn't really get round to doing any ARB work last night (wasn't feeling great), but I've pushed the icon change I did yesterday to the staging PPA & my branch, if you have time to take a look | 20:11 |
| ajmitch | once we vote on it I'll need to know the right buttons to push in myapps to get it published :) | 20:12 |
| wendar | ajmitch: sure, I'll take a look | 20:13 |
| ajmitch | thanks | 20:13 |
| wendar | ajmitch: in override_dh_gencontrol, you do need to keep that cp line | 20:17 |
| wendar | ajmitch: it's obtuse, but what that does is copy the image *outside* the package directory | 20:17 |
| wendar | ajmitch: so it can be added to the package metadata | 20:17 |
| wendar | (stgraber had to fix one of my earlier packages) | 20:18 |
| ajmitch | right, that is a bit special | 20:18 |
| ajmitch | but this is why I'm checking with you first, thanks :) | 20:18 |
| ajmitch | it does mean I have to bump the ppa version again, which is a bit of a pain | 20:19 |
| wendar | you can use $CURDIR | 20:19 |
| wendar | see http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~allison/+junk/extras-framingham/revision/13 | 20:20 |
| ajmitch | in which case I ought to put it in the debian/directory as well | 20:21 |
| wendar | I like the way you've used patches for all changes outside the debian/ directory | 20:26 |
| wendar | in the debian/changelog, merge his changes and yours into one changelog entry (since there's only one Extras release) | 20:27 |
| wendar | you can note who did what with [ Author Name ] | 20:27 |
| wendar | and a quick scan of postinst and postrm, I wonder if they could be removed? | 20:28 |
| wendar | we don't technically allow custom maintainer scripts, but this looks like standard desktop stuff | 20:29 |
| wendar | probably automatically generated | 20:29 |
| ajmitch | this is what I was checking with stgraber - they're boilerplate postinst/postrm | 20:29 |
| wendar | with debhelper 8, a lot of stuff that used to be in generated maintainer scripts is now handled automatically behind the scenes | 20:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I was debating whether they'd be needed at all due to the non-standard directories | 20:32 |
| wendar | not sure that's the case with these specific pieces, but seems worth checking | 20:32 |
| wendar | ah, yeah, I noticed one of the commands was acting on /usr/share/icons/gnome | 20:32 |
| wendar | which we don't modify | 20:33 |
| wendar | so, that one could certainly go | 20:33 |
| wendar | the mime database is modifying /usr/share/mime, which we don't modify | 20:33 |
| ajmitch | right, stripped out all but #DEBHELPER# | 20:35 |
| wendar | let's see, update-desktop-database modifies the cache of MIME types handled by desktop files, so that can go too | 20:35 |
| wendar | cool, yeah, makes sense | 20:35 |
| wendar | ajmitch: overall, it looks great. I'd +1 it. | 20:37 |
| ajmitch | good, it's nearly all cielak's work, so thank him for a good submission :) | 20:37 |
| wendar | thanks, cielak! | 20:37 |
| cielak | no problem, did my best to get it as good as I could ;) | 20:38 |
| ajmitch | cielak: it does make our lives easier, I'll put this up for vote & we should be able to get it uploaded :) | 20:48 |
| cielak | nice! thanks for handling that :) | 20:48 |
| * ajmitch could really do with some more RAM, running a couple of VMs doesn't help when firefox & chrome are both open | 20:51 | |
| wendar | ajmitch: yeah, both firefox and chrome are total memory hogs, very annoying | 21:14 |
| ajmitch | especially the way I use them, where I often can't see the icons on the chrome tabs because I have so many open :) | 21:22 |
| ajmitch | wendar: just checking, you marked the next meeting as the 23rd rather than the 30th? | 22:08 |
| wendar | ajmitch: well, that's what Ubuntu Fridge says | 22:09 |
| wendar | ajmitch: but it could be wrong | 22:09 |
| ajmitch | that seems a bit broken, it's meant to be the last friday of the month | 22:09 |
| wendar | ajmitch: is it supposed to be... ah yea | 22:09 |
| ajmitch | who sets up the fridge calendar entry? | 22:09 |
| wendar | Fridge won't let me do anything more complicated than "3rd Friday" | 22:09 |
| ajmitch | great :) | 22:09 |
| wendar | anyone who has access can edit it | 22:09 |
| ajmitch | it doesn't allow 5th friday? | 22:10 |
| wendar | go ahead and update the wiki page | 22:10 |
| wendar | I suspect it would just drop off the calendar when there is no 5th friday | 22:10 |
| wendar | what we want is the -1th friday :) | 22:10 |
| wendar | the 30th actually works better for me this month, I won't have to rush out after the meeting to drive to Seattle | 22:11 |
| * ajmitch can see where to add an event, but it looks to only be editable by its creator, sorry :) | 22:14 | |
| wendar | ajmitch: I think I actually can't edit it anymore, I only had admin priviledges on my canonical google account, which is gone now | 22:39 |
| wendar | ajmitch: but, I'll find someone else to edit it | 22:39 |
| ajmitch | now that is a pain | 22:39 |
| ajmitch | your membership application is coming up in a meeting today, isn't it? | 22:40 |
| wendar | ah, yeah | 22:40 |
| wendar | if I get membership I'll see about getting calendar editing access again | 22:40 |
| wendar | or, you or stgraber could get it | 22:41 |
| * ajmitch shall try & be around at meeting time | 22:47 | |
| ajmitch | stgraber: thanks for looking at harmonySEQ - the postinst/postrm aren't empty unless debhelper is not putting anything in them - I thought that I'd leave in the #DEBHELPER# tags for now | 23:45 |
| wendar | ajmitch: it's probably safe to remove them entirely | 23:47 |
| wendar | ajmitch: I've been erring on the side of "rip it out" for ARB apps, just on the general principle of "they're supposed to be dumb and simple" | 23:47 |
| ajmitch | fair enough | 23:48 |
| ajmitch | I don't think there are any dh calls in the package at this time which put anything in postinst | 23:48 |
| * ajmitch shall see if he can get it to ~ppa99 before it even makes it into extras | 23:52 | |
| ajmitch | I see you've got a couple of other testimonials from some well-known ubuntu contributors now | 23:55 |
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