[00:09] nigelb, hey [00:09] nigelb, you have some experience with launchpadlib, right? [00:10] nigelb: watch out, jono's going to try to recruit you now :P [00:10] me? [00:10] * jono rubs hands together [00:10] :-) [00:11] lol [00:13] cjohnston, would you be able to help with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies/Scripts#LoCo_Teams ? [00:13] jono: More of launchpad experience than launchpadlib :) [00:13] nigelb, would you mind taking a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies/Scripts and adding any notes that could be useful for how we can write these accomplishments? [00:14] I want to start expanding the library of accomplishments [00:14] jono: I don't want to agree to anything.. I start new job next week [00:14] :-) [00:14] sure, looking [00:14] cjohnston, aha, gotcha [00:14] cjohnston, You check out bootstrap yet? You know you love it [00:14] cjohnston: slacker [00:14] thanks nigelb [00:14] jcastro: no.. been home long enough to have 1.5 beers [00:14] my launchpadlib is a little lacking, so I don't really know just how much of LP is exposed [00:15] nigelb: then you do it [00:15] mhall119, yo [00:15] mhall119, can you help write https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies/Scripts#LoCo_Teams accomplishments? [00:15] lol [00:15] I think it will need someone to be able to talk to loco.ubuntu.com [00:15] :-) [00:16] should all be available through the API.. do you have someone who could write the scripts if we showed where in the appi [00:17] cjohnston, yeah, basically if you can send me a code fragment that can return True if someone has done of those things, I will create the accomplishments [00:17] the problem I have right now is that I don't know how to talk to the API of l.u.c [00:17] man, the ccsm drama is still continuing [00:19] jono: all I know is the scripts that we import live data [00:19] cjohnston, what do you mean? [00:20] jono: we have a script that imports the data from loco.u.c to my local db [00:21] cjohnston, I see, and then your local DB exposes an API? [00:22] jono: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltp-devs/loco-team-portal/0.2/view/head:/loco_directory/teams/management/commands/import-live-data.py [00:26] thanks cjohnston [00:26] I am going to have to hop on a call now, but will check into it later [00:27] ok [01:13] mhall119, and nigelb :-P === webjadmin_ is now known as JackyAlcine [02:08] hi bkerensa [02:08] I am in subway! [02:09] 5 dollar foot long! [02:13] cjohnston: can you pm me? [02:13] I want to see what happens [02:14] mhall119: Hope wants to know what the place we went to Quinn's birthday party is called [02:17] jcastro: [02:17] jcastro: hello... is this using the charm? [02:17] bkerensa: ok, this is cool [02:17] cjohnston: Dinosaur World [02:17] no, I had to rearrange the order of commands in your charm [02:17] this is working by hand [02:17] I put the comments in the bug report though [02:17] jcastro: Hmm? [02:17] thats what I thought mhall119.. she thought that sounded too simple [02:17] ok [02:17] jc what client? [02:17] subway [02:17] jcastro: I will improve the charm based on your comments in the bug report [02:18] D; [02:19] well I have to go eat meat loaf and watch movies... have a IRL life [02:19] apparently also eats some of my chats [02:19] :) [02:20] heh [02:21] it's off to a good start though [02:26] nigelb:my irc client is now mongodb powered [02:26] take that! [02:31] jcastro1: node.js powered! Can't beat that! [02:46] cjohnston: it's Plant City, they don't do complicated [02:46] lol [02:53] jcastro: jcastro1, whichever identity you may be... awesome setup [05:58] lol [05:58] jcastro, jcastro1: going to make improvements now [06:07] *yawns* [06:07] morning [06:07] btw [06:07] for anyone who is interested.... [06:07] #ubuntu-accomplishments [06:08] just a small convenience channel for contributors, but everyone is welcome [06:08] cool [06:40] jcastro: ok Bug #944246 is Fix Committed [06:40] Launchpad bug 944246 in charms "Charm Needed: Subway IRC client/server" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/944246 [07:10] Good night folks === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson === dvestal is now known as dvestal|away [07:58] good morning [09:07] morning dholbach! [09:07] I've got a quick question for you [09:07] I'm working with translation templates in LP [09:08] and I need to know which source packages are in universe (so that they are disabled in LP) and which ones in main [09:08] I'm looking at this one: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/884504/ [09:08] the question is, why is there output for a universe line and a main line? [09:35] dpm, it seems like the source was moved to main, so stuff in main can depend and build-depend on it, but it wasn't actually pulled in by anything yet? [09:35] not sure [09:35] it looks like a glitch in the matrix [09:35] somebody in #u-devel might be able to help figure it out [09:39] ok, thanks dholbach! [10:06] anyone else find the stumpleUpon logo similar to anything else we know http://www.stumbleupon.com/ [10:24] http://benjaminkerensa.com/2011/12/16/did-stumbleupon-copy-juju-logo [10:25] aye but as maco pointed out stumbleupon has alwasy had that deisng just blue and green [10:26] and tbh I didnt know there was a way we had to write JuJu Juju juju [10:27] the logo looks like J is uppercase [10:28] although I do wonder did anyone google the name before it was decided on :) [10:28] images nsfw [10:45] the SU logo has never looked like the juju logo [10:45] previously [10:45] http://popey.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/light-social/stumbleupon.png [10:45] looks nothing like it [10:45] czajkowski: There was massive discussion [11:39] can somebody please read http://daniel.holba.ch/blog/2012/03/putting-the-ubuntu-development-process-to-the-test/ and see if it's clear? [11:40] reading now [11:41] dholbach: makes sense to me, but i might suggest a more formal email address. [11:42] yeah.. looks good to me [11:42] Daviey, what are you thinking of? [11:42] I do agree with Daviey... I might use an email alias like devteam@canonical.com [11:43] I thought about it, but wasn't sure how long it'd take IS to set it up [11:43] so for this first test run I think this email address will do [11:43] it was easy enough for me to set it up :) [11:43] interesting you had the same thoughts as I did Daviey... was just writing my thoughts when you suggested it [11:44] thanks a lot for the feedback [11:44] I wasn't quite sure if the post in general was clear enough [11:47] crystal clear [11:49] dholbach: I'd try IS first, if it were me.. If they can't do it today, then go with your plan. [11:49] Daviey, next time ;-) [11:49] dholbach: ok [11:49] * dholbach hugs Daviey, cprofitt and czajkowski [11:50] group hug *\o/* [11:51] * cprofitt smiles [11:55] interesting article dholbach, I think it is massively too hard to do a simple package [11:56] yes, it could definitely be easier and I'm looking forward to seeing the work that is being put into pkgme into action [11:56] but for new contributors I wouldn't recommend by starting to package something new (unless that's what they really want) [11:56] but to work on existing packages first [11:56] what I wanted to do was package one single solitary python script [11:57] and have it run on login [11:57] I managed to get this kind of functional http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/unity-window-quicklists.deb mostly by reverse engineering other packages to find out what should be in them [11:58] yeah, I quite often looked at similar packages beforehand myself when packaging something new [11:59] all the packaging guides seem to assume that the thing is installed with configure;make; make install [12:00] then you build source packages and binary packages, but when the thing is just a script that just runs it kind of doesn't fit that model and I couldn't work out where the right place to start wasw [12:00] anyhow, I should put this in an email really :) [12:01] this rules file /usr/share/doc/debhelper/examples/rules.tiny should work for a lot other cases nicely as well [12:02] sure, if you don't have any kind of "build system" (such as a setup.py for instance), you will need to use dh_install to put files into the right place [12:02] and maybe an init script to start the script on login [12:03] I was putting a desktop file in /etc/xdg/autostart/unity-window-quicklists.desktop [12:03] dunno if that is the right thing to do or not [12:03] ah ok [12:03] so on session start [12:03] gotcha [12:03] yes, that makes sense then [12:04] it needs to run after unity is somewhat existing [12:04] well actually probably will hang about waiting for unity to pop up on dbus if it starts first [12:05] I just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-packaging-guide/+bug/955932 [12:05] Launchpad bug 955932 in ubuntu-packaging-guide "[New] Simple package which ships files (no build system)" [Undecided,New] [12:05] you might want to subscribe to it [12:05] done, thanks [12:06] rock and roll [12:06] * dholbach goes back to email madness [13:14] Daviey, ping a ling kind sir [13:18] jcastro: pong a dong unkind lady. :) [13:19] Daviey, hey did we ever decide to merge -cloud and -server? [13:19] or should I be on cloud still? [13:19] jcastro: I was thinking about that.. lets do it [13:20] ok how do we do this? [13:21] jcastro: so.. who 'owns' the channel [13:21] I dunno man, aren't you like the tech lead or something? [13:21] don't you own things? [13:22] jcastro: No, i'm not longer a tech lead, jackass. [13:23] I forgot everything technical [13:23] jcastro: Founder : kim0 [13:50] Daviey, wait huh? what's your title? [13:50] jcastro: Mr. [13:51] lol [14:05] test [14:05] I am not sure I like this yet or not [14:06] nigelb:it "feels" like it needs just a bit more work [14:06] jcastro1: a little bit of polish? [14:06] yeah [14:07] it looks pretty [14:07] but like, there's no multi server support [14:07] and the input box has been glitchy for me [14:07] Daviey: have we lost you to the dark side? [14:07] nigelb: I was never light! :) [14:07] Daviey: hahahaha [14:09] nigelb: you've seen summit code, you should know that [14:09] lolololol === dvestal|away is now known as dvestal [14:28] mhall119: low blow! [14:28] :P [14:37] the link to balloons on the track lead is a bit messed up on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/tracks [14:39] they all are [14:39] who messed up with __unicode__ again? [14:39] cjohnston: ^^ [14:39] theres a bug [14:40] ahh it was working last week as I used that page to get the email addresses o [14:41] it'll work until summit gets their real name [14:42] cjohnston: make it use lead.lead.user.username in the link [14:50] jcastro - I'll be at UDS all week, and I'd like to pass the video interview torch, any thoughts on who I can prep and hand that off to? [14:51] hmm, not sure [14:51] let me think [14:51] k [14:51] I have thoughts but I dont know who is going [14:52] just let me know, I want to hand them all the things I learned the last 3 years - and do email introductions to everyone and introduce them to the video guys etc [14:52] that's just what you say now [14:52] but I know you'll start working on a spreadsheet or welcome packet or something [14:52] no - I mean that :-) *sniffle* *sniffle* [14:53] so we might just shoot from the hip just to avoid you writing for 5 days [14:53] it's time :-) [14:53] I'm concise now - I don't have 5 days to write anything these days [14:54] I kind of don't believe you [14:54] :-P [14:54] hey are you going to posscon? [14:54] why not ask different people so it doesnt land on one person that way different people could give different types of interviews [14:55] \o/ [14:55] I have thought in the past of just signing out the cameras [14:55] jcastro: +1 [14:55] and letting people just go film things in a more "haphazard" manner [14:55] that's fine too - you all go for [14:55] for it [14:55] I'll step out of it then :-) [14:55] as kind of a style thing [14:55] have fun! [14:55] * akgraner mentions it no more :-) [14:55] like, taping randoom conversations [14:55] people talking about stuff in the hallways, etc. [14:57] not everyone wants to be filmed [14:57] someone will get there feelings hurt when one of those people says go away [14:59] waivers! [14:59] the only person who doesn't sign the video waiver has been doko [14:59] also I don't mean just shoving a camera in people's faces. [15:00] like, more loose, "Oh hey so I was hanging out here and Joe smith walked by, wotcha working on?" [15:01] I think there are two different things going on here... Amber is talking about the Mark and Jane, Pete and Rick interviews, your talking about the Joe Smith interviews.. I think both are great, but can't be mixed [15:01] I think there is still a place for what she was doing [15:01] true dat [15:01] but your idea is a cool one that I think would be good as well [15:01] In the end edit all of the "informal" interviews into one video [15:01] blair-witch meets UDS? [15:01] would be really awesome [15:01] hah yeah [15:01] maybe just one or two cameras [15:02] Kinda like the video from Brussels, just with audio [15:02] and give them to select people [15:02] right! [15:02] people we know will be clever and crazy [15:02] and see what happens [15:02] but not overcommit, in case it ends up being dumb [15:03] I wonder if novacut will be usable for editing them after UDS [15:03] that'd be pretty awesom....um, I mean..incredible [15:03] Will novacut be at UDS? [15:03] I thought they were LDSers these days [15:03] mhall119, we outsource all the editing [15:04] they're mormons? [15:04] wow [15:04] no, linaro dude [15:04] jcastro: that's LCers [15:04] ^^ [15:04] oh [15:04] they have a cool name [15:05] well, you know what would be awesome if we had the bandwidth and stuff [15:05] is just have each room be a google on air thing. [15:05] uh oh [15:05] if they really worked though [15:05] jcastro: LC did it.. [15:05] not the on air part i dont think [15:05] but hangouts [15:05] inssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssstead of irc [15:05] I wanted to try it at last UDS with Sean to figure out how nice it could be [15:05] but ran out of time [15:06] remove a couple "s"'s [15:06] new keyboard time? [15:06] no. its synergy.. [15:06] ok, I've procastinated on this alice charm long enough, I'm going to finish it [15:06] when I'm using a bunch of BW it does that [15:06] Daviey, I'm just going to push the charm with whatever is in the distro [15:07] you upgrading it won't affect the charm anyway [15:07] unless your planning on renaming the package? Which I don't think you'd do [15:07] nope [15:13] "You have been unsubscribed from ubuntu users mailing list" [15:13] Aaaand.. relax. [15:14] popey: just delete it [15:15] cjohnston, I'm around, I don't think mim's is up yet [15:15] gotcha [15:15] popey, more drama? [15:15] nope [15:15] just quit [15:15] jcastro: LP is wanting to know the status of summit [15:16] jcastro - we use hangouts for Connect :-) [15:16] $$ is outside of my world, so I have no idea how to reply, but I think that's kinda the current hold [15:16] I was under the impression that this was in process of being handed over to you already? [15:17] oh I see the mail now [15:17] cjohnston, ok let's ambush mims as soon as he's around [15:17] like I said, I think the hold isn't him, I think its where to put it [15:17] no we solved that [15:17] we have an account and everything [15:17] hhhhhoh [15:17] well, no one has told me that [15:18] just need to fire it up and ssh-id-import or whatever [15:18] hmm ok let's catch up as soon as he's around then [15:18] well, fire it up, install it and we will go [15:18] :-P [15:18] Daviey, any insight? I knew you were talking about this the other day with mark. ^ [15:19] popey, so I opened the archive link [15:19] and then scanned the topics [15:19] and then closed the tab [15:20] popey, I think this post summarizes it wonderfully [15:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2012-February/257101.html [15:20] ☺ [15:24] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2012-March/258327.html [15:24] jcastro: so mims is going to set it all up, ssh-import-id me and then everythings golden, no? [15:24] right [15:24] sweet [15:24] I thought that's what he was doing the other day [15:24] no worries [15:24] so EOD should be doable [15:24] he's a physics guy, perfectionist. [15:25] yeah but don't tell them EOD until we talk to him [15:25] lol [15:25] I don't plan on replying [15:25] curious for my own planning [15:25] popey, I seriously don't understand why we let usenetism's trample all over our resources. [15:25] when we know the real answer is that using a mailing list for user support is dumb. [15:26] feel free to propose shutting it down :D [15:26] after my ccsm dogpile is complete. [15:27] popey saying shutt down a mailing list is the same as jcastro saying delete the wiki [15:27] yeah I can imagine you hooking someone up with ubuntu [15:27] and then asking for help [15:27] and then getting yelled at because their mail isn't set properly [15:27] and somehow, that's their fault. [15:28] whatever "set properly" is [15:28] which is awesome, because the guy is using gmail, which automatically hides all the bottom posted stuff anyway [15:28] anyway I am preaching to the choir [15:30] I like bottom posting :/ [15:31] It is kinda annoying following a thread to have people top post tbh when you're trying to track things, but given we got hammered into it at uni it just makes sense to me [15:31] right but for devel lists people know how to do that already [15:32] I'm talking about end user things [15:33] jcastro: oss ml etiquette :) [15:34] yp [15:34] so ... don't send users to the mailing list. [15:34] I've even on a list atm wiht popey and others and 2 big FOSS heads top post it's just gah! at times [15:34] yo [15:34] jcastro: nope not saying that at all, but once it's pointed out to someone or it's somewhere to read [15:34] ml are a great tool to get help from [15:34] or have good discussions [15:34] jcastro: sorry, talking about what now? [15:35] Daviey, summit for LF [15:35] LP [15:35] LC [15:35] TB [15:35] CC [15:35] :) [15:35] jcastro: Oh.. i don't know.. best speak to m_3 about it [15:35] * cjohnston is going to take czajkowski's throttling power [15:35] Daviey, you always conveniently disappear [15:35] m_3, ok so the LF person sent us a mail [15:36] asking how we're doing [15:36] cjohnston: no idea what you're talking about :) I thought it was throw out 2 letters :) [15:36] jcastro: Daviey is soon to be the leeeeeead deeeeeeeeeeeeveloperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr of Summit [15:36] m_3, and I was thinking maybe we can give this thing to chris soon [15:36] czajkowski: I think the problem is that especially people who aren't already technical have been trained to top post. It's only on tech related ML that I see top posting frowned upon and if you're non-technical and every other list you're on uses top posting, then how are you going to remember to bottom post on that one list? [15:36] not that i can type [15:36] and let him go nuts on it [15:36] jcastro: yup, we got the account set up... jsut need to walk Chris through setup and running it from juju [15:37] woo [15:37] jcastro: I am the mysterious monkey [15:37] so should we just do this? [15:37] jcastro: high latency atm (conference) [15:38] k [15:38] cjohnston: what's your timezone? [15:38] est [15:38] 3 hour drive from jcastro [15:38] Pendulum: aye I had to explain to the sister why stuff was on the bottom as it was just habit now I switch to top for family and close mates but thats it. [15:41] cjohnston, ok so let's set up a handoff session with you and mims [15:41] cjohnston: ok, I'll hit you before eod today eastern time [15:42] ok [15:42] need maybe half hour to go over managing the env (?) [15:42] ok [15:42] I need to be able to be free by 1700 today, so anytime in the next 5 hours should be good.. 20 minutes notice if possible please :-) [15:47] cjohnston, hey how did we backup the data in summit before? [15:48] mhall119: ^ [15:49] lol, backup, you're funny jcastro [15:49] hey alright, so even if we added rudimentary backups it'd be way better than what we had before? [15:49] cjohnston mhall119 that's more of an issue with running it in ec2 now [15:50] yeah [15:50] yeah, like east had a hiccup this morning [15:50] m_3: a pgdump should do [15:50] just what I wanted to hear [15:50] I'll add cjohnston and mhall119 to the environment... then we can walk through spinning it up/down... ssh pgdumps... etc [15:51] we could do some fancier snapshots and stuf if it makes sense [15:53] but we definitely need to go through the main failure modes once you guys can manage the site and get it themed [15:55] cjohnston: what's your lp id? [15:56] mhall119, going to be a few mins late, stuck on a call [15:56] chrisjohnston [15:56] jono: np [16:15] creating hangout [16:38] jcastro, so I've been reluctant to use trello because I don't want to keep track actions in two different places - LP and somewhere else, but I showed it to some translations guys and they were happy to give it a go, so I'd like to try it. So how does this work for community teams? Do we create an Ubuntu Translations Trello or something, or do we just join the general community one? [16:39] hey so I created an organization called "ubuntu" [16:39] you would just make whatever boards you want under that [16:39] however you want [16:41] mhall119: launchpad id? [16:42] * mhall119 <--- [16:42] doh, nevermind [16:42] :) [16:42] :) [16:44] dpm, there's no real right way to use it as far as I can tell, but probably making a translations board is a good start [16:44] I try to keep mine organized by overarching specs [16:49] dpm, ok I added you to "ubuntu" you should be able to just create a board in it [16:50] jcastro, cool, thanks :) [16:50] I did try to make one huge board once [16:50] that would track all of our stuff [16:50] but it got crazy [16:52] :) [16:58] jcastro, does the user profile uses gravatar or something, or do I need to upload a pic? [16:58] *use [17:01]