[00:02] DBO: around? [00:09] jbicha: hey [00:13] desrt: good evening [00:13] jbicha: what timezone do you operate on? [00:14] desrt: same as you, would you believe it was in the upper 80s here today? [00:14] crazy weather [00:14] where do you live? [00:14] same here [00:14] nuts [00:15] just south of kenvandine in Columbia, South Carolina [00:15] * desrt knows by the use of "upper 80s" that it's not so close, yet not so far [00:15] ah. cool. [00:15] lol [00:15] so this just happened: [00:15] Get:13 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/universe gnome-shell amd64 3.3.90-0ubuntu1 [331 kB] [00:18] that's good, right? [00:20] jbicha: yes. quite :) [00:20] no more gnome3 ppa required [00:21] so there does appear to be a bit of an issue... [00:22] dunno if you know about it but it seems like there is a conflict with tweak-tool now [00:22] desrt: yes, the new gnome-tweak-tool just finished building [00:22] ah. great. [00:23] ppa-purge was having a heart attack [00:23] I should have done a whole bunch more breaks as some things are actually still broken but apt isn't telling you that [00:24] i really think aptitude is not so clever sometimes when removing a single package would resolve a conflict and instead it proposes to remove 12 others without solving it [00:24] if you want thing to work, keep the gnome3 ppa until tomorrow [00:24] oh =) [00:24] anything in particular? [00:24] cheese won't work, for one [00:24] ah. i don't use that. [00:25] the libcogl5 stuff at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html [00:25] so what's the deal with the soname bump? [00:25] i guess it went through afterall? [00:26] the map plugin from eog-plugins won't work until libchamplain gets updated [00:27] desrt: they did 4 soname bumps this cycle and were working on one more this week so I sent them an email & they agreed that it would be a good idea to stop doing that until next cycle :) [00:27] gotcha [00:27] well, in any case, good work [00:28] looks like you really hauled ass today :) [00:28] maybe i can convince tiffany to go back to ubuntu now :p [00:29] what's she use? [00:29] fedora mostly [00:29] i think she's planning to try mint when the next version is done, though [00:29] the dev version of fedora is a painful way to go... [00:30] all of her classmates/students have been switching and she's wondering what the fuss is about :p [00:30] ya. i don't have any great love of fedora as a distro :) [00:37] desrt: did gnome shell 3.2 on ubuntu work on your arm box? [00:37] it's headless [00:38] ah, well clutter's a bit broken on arm now [00:38] anything to do what that earlier define? :) [00:41] jasoncwarner_: good morning [00:42] desrt: I think one is related to that https://launchpadlibrarian.net/96831041/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armhf.clutter-gst_1.5.4-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [01:26] desrt, you around? Do you remember updating GTK+ 3's 043_ubuntu_menu_proxy.patch for bug 915241? [01:26] Launchpad bug 915241 in gtk+3.0 "Update menubar patches" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/915241 [01:27] i remember helping cimi to update the patch during the rally [01:27] why do you ask? [01:28] desrt, the property "ubuntu-local" got dropped, and I don't see anyway for apps to opt-out on a per-menubar manner now. (as glade needs to for embedded menubars) [01:29] curious. [01:29] i recall asking around if anyone was using that property for anything like that [01:29] and i got told no :p [01:29] desrt, if it was just an oversight, I can add it back. But was curious if it was intentional and what the replacement would be [01:29] desrt, :) [01:30] desrt, I think freeciv also uses it [01:30] specifically, i remember asking ted if it was used to supress the panel's menu from itself getting sucked up [01:30] mterry: it removal was intentional [01:30] but clearly it should be added back [01:30] or at least some other mechanism [01:31] desrt, OK. I can't think of a reason not to just add it back (vs another mechanism) [01:31] better check with cimi, of course [01:31] it's his baby [01:31] but i think you're right [01:31] desrt, ok, will do [01:31] GTK+ 2 still has the property === webjadmin_ is now known as JackyAlcine [01:35] night all! [01:35] ta === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk === chaoticuk_ is now known as chaoticuk [02:51] Bah. No Robert? [02:52] Hm. Now that I say that out loud, I suspect that perhaps a baby might be involved in that lack... [02:52] RAOF: oi :P [02:52] RAOF: and yes. [02:54] lifeless: Sorry, other Robert :) [02:54] I know :). Hey, who is our n-m guru ? [02:56] cyphermox, IIRC. [02:56] Yup. [02:57] Although for some reason I always associate Sweetshark with n-m maintainership. I have no idea why. [03:13] RAOF: Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre [03:13] seems like he does the vast majority of uploads [03:13] desrt: Yeah, he's the guy. [03:19] RAOF: so have you really never heard of this purple snow issue i was mentioning earlier? [03:19] i wonder if you have some time to work through it with me... [03:20] ie: i could try to reproduce it and we could debug [03:20] Can you help me swap in that context? [03:21] i have a t420 [03:21] most of the time it sits in a dock, connected via DVI to two 24 inch panels [03:21] i undock it when i leave my house [03:21] sometimes undocking it causes a purple snow effect on the laptop panel [03:22] i have it right now, for example [03:22] Ok. [03:23] Let me build a test unity-greeter to see if I've discovered the corruption bug, and then I can do some debugging. [03:26] * RAOF *loves* how trouble-free "bzr pull" is in an unclean tree. [03:28] RAOF: http://people.gnome.org/~ryanl/MVI_0037.AVI [03:29] a couple of notes: the problem seems to happen most (exclusively?) when i boot the laptop in the dock with the lid closed (ie: laptop panel not in use during startup) [03:29] docking the laptop again allows me to use the external monitors normally [03:30] the issue only ever impacts the internal screen [03:31] notice also that exactly half of the screen (left side) is stretched out over the entire display [03:31] it's also like this if i switch to the console [03:33] desrt: Ok. So, throwing "drm.debug=0x4" on your kernel command line is likely to be the sweetspot for debugging vs verbosity in dmesg. [03:33] It would seem likely to be a modesetting issue. [03:34] k. lemme reboot and try to reproduce [03:35] * desrt gets on irc from another machine [03:39] arf. too much debugging output -> causes the buffer to ring [03:39] * desrt composes multiple files into one [03:40] RAOF: okay.. here you go http://fpaste.org/yQ59/ [03:40] see the markers in the file for the point at which i docked/undocked [03:41] the general scenario is that i booted the laptop in the dock with the lid closed, logged in, undocked, redocked === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [03:47] Huh. It seems to be flipping fbc on and off. [03:48] desrt: I don't suppose that booting with i915.i915_enable_fbc=0 fixes it for you? [03:48] allow me to try that :) [03:48] That's what looks most suspicious. [03:50] does not fix it [03:50] Boo. [03:51] BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-18-generic root=UUID=7796de19-491a-4714-882f-0a758240deb9 ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7 i915.i915_enable_fbc=0 [03:51] that's right? [03:52] you saw the video? [03:53] Yes. [03:53] desrt: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/intel-gfx/2012-March/015473.html [03:54] hello hello [03:54] well isn't that a timely post? [03:55] RAOF: do you do drm or am i better speaking with some kernel folks at this point? [03:55] Sarvatt: Nice catch, thanks. [03:55] desrt: Talking to kernel guys wouldn't hurt. If that patch gets applied we can ping kernel guys to get it integrated in precise. [03:56] looks like ajax is on the case [03:56] that gives me confidence [03:56] nah that patch is very much a hack [03:56] and yeah exactly :) [03:57] Let's see if this unity-greeter still lets me log in... [03:58] preferred mode for the panel and assume it's dual-link LVDS if the pixel [03:58] clock is >112MHz, since that's the crossover frequency. [03:58] RAOF: any way i can find out what this is on my panel in order to confirm ajax's idea? [03:58] resolution is 1600x900... [03:59] 1600*900*60 gives 86.4 mhz, but i don't know what the proper calculation for adding in the blanking intervals is [04:02] desrt: Yeah, it's in the modeline. Let me nab it... [04:03] [ 9.395491] [drm:drm_mode_debug_printmodeline], Modeline 72:"1600x900" 60 110000 1600 1664 1706 2010 900 903 906 912 0x48 0xa seems to be your 1600x900 modeline; that suggests a 110MHz clock. [04:03] * RAOF thinks he's reading that right. [04:03] so ajax says the crossover is 112 [04:03] i'm below that [04:03] so i'd guess it should be single channel by his measure [04:03] which seems wrong... [04:04] There might be necessary signalling overhead? [04:04] Bah. Stupid X. [04:05] If I wanted you to keep unity-greeter's window open, I'd have set the mode to RetainPermannent. Oh, wait... [04:05] RAOF: he specifically says "pixel clock" [04:06] "All display modes that use a pixel clock below 165 MHz, and have at most 24 bits per pixel, are required to use single-link mode. All modes that require more than 24 bits per pixel, and/or 165 MHz pixel clock frequency must use dual-link mode." says wikipedia, though [04:08] you're looking at dvi dual link not lvds [04:09] oh. duh. [04:27] Sarvatt, RAOF; thanks for the help. -> bed [06:21] good morning [06:36] Good morning [06:38] Good morning. [06:38] Or, rather, grrrrrrrrrrr! morning. [06:39] Who here has a clue as to what vala does? [06:40] FSVO, yes. [06:42] lifeless: Given http://paste.ubuntu.com/884386/ as a code fragment, why is display being freed *immediately* after being new'd? [06:43] (ie: we have an static class variable display, we set it, the free method is called immediately after the create method) [06:43] that seems surprising [06:43] Also, C apparently makes a rubbish IL. [06:44] Oh, no, sorry. I'm misreading the C code. [06:44] that makes more sense [06:45] Which doesn't help me explain why that fails, but the same thing with display being a local variable succeeds. [06:46] http://paste.ubuntu.com/884388/ is the full method. Remove the static class variable, stick a "var" in front of the first "display", and it works. [06:55] Oh, marvelous. A race condition? [06:58] Mmmm, yes! [06:58] Sweet accidental success! === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [07:23] Oh! *That's* why unity-greeter's think kinda works! [07:26] my osd notifications turned blue?! [07:26] Someone's choking them!! :'( [07:26] BigWhale: Unity, for some reason, thinks "blue" is a representative colour for your background. [07:27] RAOF, must be my mood or something. :> [07:28] I changed desktop background ... now it's ok [08:04] ctr-alt-t does not open a terminal anymore since the update to gnome-shell 3.3.90 [08:04] bbl [08:04] and it's still the shortcut set in gnome-control-center [08:05] xclaesse: maybe mutter regression? jbicha would know more [08:05] ctr-alt-n still works to open nautilus, but IIRC that's a custom shortcut I did [08:09] RAOF: can you jumpon #ubuntu-unity please? [08:09] xclaesse: works on compiz and metacity here [08:13] yeah must be mutter/gnome-shell regression since it was working before today's update [08:32] didrocks, xclaesse, hi, this is due patching g-c-c and g-s-d to use gconf instead of gsettings [08:32] why is it using gconf? [08:32] and iirc the terminal shortcut was removed upstream [08:32] ricotz: well, that doesn't change the default value in mutter [08:32] ricotz: the default should still be ctrl + alt + t === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [08:34] I created a custom binding that opens gnome-terminal on ctr-alt-t and it works fine :) [08:36] hey didrocks, bonjour [08:37] pitti: hey Martin! :-) [08:38] good morning everyone [08:38] hey chrisccoulson [08:38] hey chrisccoulson [08:38] hi pitti, didrocks. how are you? [08:39] I'm fine, thanks! hacked on pygobject until late last night, and I learned a lot about all that hairy marshalling [08:39] sounds fun :) [08:39] it is after a couple of hours when stuff is finally starting to work :) [08:40] chrisccoulson: well, release of unity-2d with multimonitor has some unexpected hickupps [08:40] otherwise, I'm fine :) [08:41] didrocks, oh? i guess i could help test that stuff :) [08:41] chrisccoulson: really? nice! :) [08:41] chrisccoulson: so bzr branch lp:~ubuntu-desktop/metacity/ubuntu [08:41] bzr bd it please :) [08:41] and then bzr branch lp:unity-2d [08:41] ok, doing that :) [08:41] bzr bd it as well [08:42] so you set "hide-mode to 1" in gsettings for 2d [08:42] and you should get push to reveal [08:42] (not monitor barriers yet) [08:42] ok, i'll test that [08:42] yeah, i tried unity-2d a few days ago, and i actually missed the lack of monitor barriers :) [08:43] chrisccoulson: it's a pending merge, was supposed to be merged overnight, we are checking why it wasn't (but the main driver is at the dentist :p) [08:43] hey [08:43] salut seb128 [08:43] hi seb128 [08:43] hey didrocks, chrisccoulson how are you? [08:43] seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks [08:44] seb128: I'm fine, thanks, you? [08:44] bonjour seb128 [08:44] seb128: comment vas-tu? [08:44] hey pitti, wie gehts? [08:44] do you guys have https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next/ in your sources btw? :) [08:44] seb128: gut, danke! having fun with pygobject [08:44] I'm good thanks ;-) still waking up but coffee is helping :p [08:45] chrisccoulson: not ATM, should we? [08:45] chrisccoulson: I thought we'd be uploading firefox betas into precise directly? [08:46] with "we" == "you", I mean :) [08:46] pitti - yeah. we're not uploading beta's to precise now because the next firefox release is after the release of precise [08:46] so i'm back to using the PPA now, which means that will be the first post-release update [08:47] on 24th april ;) [08:49] oh, a new lightdm, robert_ancell was around today? [08:49] seb128, he is probably unable to sleep now ;) [08:50] chrisccoulson, ;-) [08:50] chrisccoulson, when is your second one due btw? [08:50] seb128, the second week of july [08:50] ok [08:50] we will still see you at UDS I guess then? [08:51] seb128, yeah, i'll still be at UDS [08:51] good ;-) [08:52] * pitti runs sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mozilla-team/firefox-next [08:52] precise isn't broken enough, no fun! [08:53] even my Alt key works *grumpf* [08:53] pitti, excellent :) [08:53] chrisccoulson: hm, I get nothing new from the PPA [08:53] pitti, i've got publishing disabled until i've done an upgrade test on all of the other releases [08:53] i'll do that today though :) [08:54] pitti, we got a new clutter, that's some new crack, not enough to make desktop issues though ;-) [09:00] brb, switching to 2d [09:03] didrocks, so, i guess once the barrier stuff lands, i'll get a launcher on my second monitor too? [09:03] chrisccoulson: no, the default will be one monitor only [09:03] chrisccoulson: then, there will be an option for a launcher on each monitor [09:03] ah, ok. is that the case for 3d too? [09:10] morning chrisccoulson! Have you had the chance to look at the e-mail I sent you re: Firefox .desktop translations? [09:11] oh, sorry, not yet. been busy ;) [09:13] chrisccoulson, no worries, just wanted to make sure you got it. In short, do you think it will be possible to do an upload of the new translations for FF and TB from that wiki page by NonLangpackTranslationDeadline? [09:13] sorry, I mean .desktop file translations [09:13] dpm, probably not. i want to avoid doing any more uploads in precise if i can, as it makes the next beta -> stable merge tricky [09:14] in general, we just add things to trunk and have them flow in to the distro with the usual updates [09:14] unless it's for a really critical issue [09:15] chrisccoulson, hm :/ do you think for next cycle we could put the .desktop file in LP, so that it can be translated there and there is no manual work involved in adding new translations? [09:15] possibly ;) [09:15] chrisccoulson: it will be the case for 3d as well [09:15] ok [09:16] good morning, people from the future [09:22] hey Ursinha, how are you? [09:23] hey Ursinha [09:24] pitti, I'm fine :) will you have some time later today to take a look at the gravity report thing? I'd love some feedback about how the gravity is reflecting the importance of the bug [09:27] Ursinha: I need to run out for some 20 mins, can do later yes [09:28] pitti, no need to rush, actually it's super early over here, was just assuring I could have a slot today :) [09:38] seb128, did you say dx was doing some work on dconf? [09:39] or, more precicely, who should I assign a libdconf-qt0 bug too? [09:43] rickspencer3, dx yes [09:44] rickspencer3, it's for the unity2d team [09:44] thanks seb128 [09:46] rickspencer3, yw [09:55] wow, gnome-shell has come a long way [09:57] still missing file search, but the overall optics/animations are nice [09:58] but the windows key doesn't open Activities any more? [09:58] desrt: ^ do you know? [09:58] i like gnome-shell too :) [09:58] pitti, throw your cursor to the top left corner [09:58] yes, I recognized that [09:58] chrisccoulson, pitti: you ubuntu haters :p [09:58] but that requires using the mouse [09:58] pitti, I think super should work [09:58] seb128, i'm not a hater. i like unity too [09:58] not here [09:59] pitti, "should", I guess it's a bug [09:59] chrisccoulson, that's ok then ;-) [09:59] although, going back to unity-2d makes me realize how much i prefer the dash in 2d [09:59] unity is still a lot more keyboard and file handling friendly [09:59] chrisccoulson, just because of the iced icons? [09:59] it's nicely coloured with big, crisp icons and smooth animations :) [09:59] seb128, yeah, the icons are a big factor :) [09:59] i still don't get why we deliberately make them blurry in 3d [10:00] chrisccoulson, I hope for you they don't fix it :p [10:00] it just doesn't look right [10:00] heh [10:00] chrisccoulson, I think 3d just respects the design [10:00] so the day 2d catches up on design you will be disappointed [10:00] yeah, i'll need to find a way to revert that [10:00] :) [10:00] ;-) [10:00] pitti, shell is nice looking solid and smooth [10:00] I just hate the activity stuff [10:01] it's too much context change every time you want your launcher or focus something else or open something [10:01] like your screen keep zooming out and in [10:02] yes [10:02] I looked at it around oneiric release time the last time [10:02] I was mostly curious to see how far it got since then [10:02] the multimonitor story is still better in unity :) [10:03] the two biggest things that jumped my eye were that I have access to files (nautilus) again, and the nicely done indicators/animations [10:03] yeah, their indicators are quite nice [10:03] I'm sure they don't call it like that [10:06] hum, upgraded my netbook yesterday [10:06] (from oneiric to precise) and now, bzr can't find bzrlib [10:06] (it's in pyshared though, should be some symlink not beeing done) [10:08] Sweetshark, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/916291/+attachment/2874475/+files/lo-common.dpkg-70000.tgz [10:08] Launchpad bug 916291 in libreoffice "failed to upgrade from Oneiric to Precise: ERROR: Cannot determine language! - exit status 134" [Critical,Triaged] [10:08] chrisccoulson: are you interested in looking at bug 949796? [10:08] Launchpad bug 949796 in lightning-extension "lightning thunderbird extension does not follow system time zone settings" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/949796 [10:08] chrisccoulson: if not, I'll just unassign it, as it's universe [10:08] hum, under a prompt, it works with 2.7 which is the default, maybe a bzr issue? [10:09] pitti - hmm, that's not the sort of thing i'm going to have time to look at. and if i looked at lightning, that probably wouldn't be the highest priority (with missing integration in the date/time indicator) [10:10] chrisccoulson: ack, unassigning [10:10] feel free to unassign that [10:10] thanks [10:14] * chrisccoulson fires up lucid VM [10:15] maaaan, this feels old ;) [10:15] my chroots all look the same :) [10:16] well, I do miss stuff like "apt-get download" [10:36] chrisccoulson, went on a cruisade against adobe now? ;-) [10:37] seb128, how come? [10:37] what did i do now? :) [10:37] chrisccoulson, the firefox update wants to remove adobe-* for me, I'm trying to reactivate partners :p [10:37] seb128, oh, you've still got the oneiric partner repo in your sources? [10:37] chrisccoulson, yes [10:38] yeah, that's why :) [10:38] the new firefox breaks the old flash package because it installs stuff in to /usr/lib/firefox [10:38] it's fixed if you use the precise source [10:38] chrisccoulson, ok, it's happier now ;-) [10:40] hi! are we getting the new gnome-tweak-tool to match the FFe on gnome-shell? [10:41] ah. wait. nvm. seems it finally entered the archive. :) [11:03] no robert ancell? [11:06] Riddell, he's on paternity leaves [11:07] Riddell, and it's after his IRC,work around in any case, he usually leave around 8am utc [11:07] seb128: any other experts in lightdm.conf if me and agateau are stumped? [11:08] Riddell, don't ask to ask just ask? [11:08] Riddell, i.e I might be able to answer the question ... or not ;-) [11:08] Riddell, so ask away and we will see ;-) [11:10] well on the kubuntu-active live cd it tries to log into ubuntu.desktop [11:11] user-session=plasma-active being set and autologin-session=plasma-active being set [11:11] dh_auto_configure -- --with-greeter-user=lightdm --with-user-session=ubuntu is in the rules file [11:11] but i don't seem to be able to override that on the live cd even though it works fine on my installed system [11:12] I don't know if that's quite on topic for this channel :) [11:12] Riddell, did you check after boot that lightdm.conf has the value you expect? [11:12] Riddell, is casper or something generating a default config and overwriting yours? [11:16] seb128: I'm editing lightdm.conf after boot [11:16] to this http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.conf-kubuntu-active [11:17] Riddell, do you have a /usr/share/xsessions/lightdm-autologin.desktop ? [11:18] not sure what --with-greeter-user=lightdm --with-user-session=ubuntu is doing, but you normally need a postinst files calling /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm-set-defaults [11:18] seb128: no [11:19] Riddell, also autologin-session=UNINPLEMENTED in the source lightdm.conf [11:19] autologin-session= is set by casper but it isn't actually implemented says agateau [11:19] Riddell, set user-session= where kdesession.desktop is your session in /usr/share/xsessions [11:19] didrocks: what does that do? [11:19] Riddell, i.e you need to have a name matching a session in there [11:20] seb128: yeah, user-session= doesn't help either [11:20] Riddell: it's editing lightdm.conf to the needed defaut values (and casper hooks that in as well) [11:20] Riddell, did you put a session which matches a .desktop in /usr/share/xsessions? [11:20] but if your live already have the right lightdm.conf values, its not related [11:20] (just that it should rather be edited by this tool) [11:22] seb128: yep [11:23] tried autologin-session=plsama-active and user-session=plasma-active and I have plasma-active.desktop [11:23] Riddell, can you pastebin the /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log you get after the CD boot? [11:23] http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/lightdm.log [11:23] I can work around it with casper cp plasma-active.desktop ubuntu.desktop but it's not very elegant [11:26] Riddell, weird, I don't know then, either the config is buggy or autologin just doesn't respect the user-session, maybe try asking the xubuntu guys on #ubuntu-devel how they do it? [11:27] Riddell, sorry but I don't know offhand, needs some debugging, maybe the xubuntu team has experience dealing with that and know what is happening? [11:27] xubuntu or lubuntu [11:27] yeah this is why i was asking for robert, go to the expert when in doubt :) [11:27] ;-) === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [11:37] yay martinpitt@gnome.org [11:37] pitti, \o/ [11:41] uploaded to keyservers; if someone feels like gpg-signing that new ID using caff (and verifying the address), I'd be grateful [11:45] pitti, ok, will do [11:45] pitti, "caff"? [11:46] from the signing-party package [11:46] seb128: merci! [11:46] pitti, yw [11:46] seb128: or keybuk's signkey.pl, or whatever you use to sign keys with [11:46] I usually use caff or signkey to verify the mail addresses [11:47] pitti, I'm bad at signing key, I usually google and copy the commands I find on a debian wiki or mailing list :p [11:47] i. e. you send signatures to these mail addresses instead of uploading them, so that the recipient has to prove that he has access to these addresses [11:47] I never remember how I'm supposed to do it [11:47] seb128: caff is for you :) [11:47] pitti, thanks for the hint ;-) [11:47] it tells/asks you everything [11:48] * pitti throws hands into air upon libgnomekbd/gnome-screensaver/libxklavier [11:48] pitti: what did you do to deserve that eliteness? [11:49] Riddell: I became a committer some 1.5 years ago, a foundation member a month ago, a project maintainer about a month ago, and just now release tarball upload rights [11:49] fonudation membership goes with @gnome.org [11:50] I get sucked in pretty deeply :) [11:51]