[00:25] <snap-l> rick_h: WHo is having trouble with a Windows key?
[00:26] <rick_h> snap-l: just wife was confused what 'meta/windows' was
[00:27] <snap-l> Ah
[02:17] <jcastro> yeah so you do a git clone
[02:17] <jcastro> but you didn't install git
[02:18] <jcastro> also you try to run something called install_subway
[02:18] <jcastro> which doesn't appear to exist
[02:19] <jrwren> o_O
[02:19] <jrwren> install_subway?
[02:29] <snap-l> alternatively, you can apt-get install potbelly
[02:46] <_stink_> looks like most quiznos around here have been apt-get removed
[02:47] <rick_h> doh!
[02:48] <snap-l> ugh
[11:23] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:24] <mydogsnameisrudy> morning snap-l
[11:26] <snap-l> How goes the day?
[11:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> looks like a good day coming
[13:02] <snap-l> Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends
[13:03] <snap-l> We're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside
[13:03] <snap-l> There behind a glass stands a real blade of grass
[13:03] <snap-l> Be careful as you pass,.move along, move along
[13:04] <snap-l> Come inside, the show's about to start
[13:04] <snap-l> Guaranteed to blow your head apart
[13:04] <snap-l> Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
[13:04] <snap-l> Greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth
[13:04] <snap-l> ~Emerson Lake And Palmer
[13:06] <brousch> botbrew has python2.7, vim, and git. pip is easy to install. if i can get virtualenv working i could develop on my tablet
[13:13] <jrwren> i need python help.
[13:13] <jrwren> i have inherited a codebase.
[13:13] <jrwren> Im not happy with some things in it.
[13:13] <jrwren> so... first nit pick.
[13:14] <jrwren> there is  alot of pickle.load(open(filename)) and pickle.dump(something,open(filename))
[13:14] <jrwren> in it.
[13:14] <jrwren> shouldn't those open file handles be closed?
[13:20] <snap-l> jrwren: WEll, they'll be closed on garbage collection
[13:20] <jrwren> ok, so single functions with pickle.load(open(file)) and later pickle.dump(open(file))
[13:21] <jrwren> and... WHAT?!?!
[13:21] <jrwren> since when does any garbage collector collect file handles???
[13:21] <jrwren> GC's collect memory, not filehandles.
[13:21] <jrwren> at least in java and .net
[13:21] <snap-l> jrwren: On exit they will be closed
[13:21] <jrwren> is python's filehandle not as low level ?
[13:21] <jrwren> right... on exit.
[13:21] <jrwren> which is NEVER in the case of a django app :)
[13:21] <snap-l> but I believe the pickle code will do the open / close
[13:22] <snap-l> it's not working on a file handle
[13:22] <jrwren> snap-l: you are not the first to mention t his, but can you please find me documentation on this?
[13:22] <snap-l> http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html
[13:22] <jrwren> no shit.
[13:22] <jrwren> no mention of is there.
[13:23] <jrwren> i can google too :p
[13:23] <snap-l> jrwren: Cranky cranky
[13:23] <jrwren> indeed.
[13:25] <jrwren> http://stackoverflow.com/a/575383/16998
[13:27] <snap-l> Ah, you have better google fu than I
[13:30] <snap-l> jrwren: Does that answer your question, though?
[13:32] <jrwren> yes.
[13:32] <brousch> jrwren: wow, so they just tossed you right in django eh?
[13:32] <jrwren> there are no more referencs to that file handle, so it is released immediately
[13:32] <jrwren> VERY foreign coming from .net and java
[13:32] <jrwren> brousch: yup. django is damned simple
[13:42] <jrwren> i wonder if someday I'll make rick_h the uber pythonista proud of my python skirra.
[13:42] <jrwren> probably not
[13:43] <brousch> not by using django ;)
[13:43] <brousch> jrwren: i know you just got a new job, but i think you would really fit in here http://detroit.atomicobject.com/
[13:44] <brousch> a lot of ruby, .net, and java
[13:46] <jrwren> django is not going to hold someone back from being awesome at python.
[13:46] <jrwren> brousch: yeah, atomic object is awesome.
[13:47] <jrwren> but i don't want to commute that
[13:47] <jrwren> or move.
[13:47] <jrwren> and they wouldn't pay me enough :p
[13:47] <brousch> i honestly don't know what they pay
[13:47] <snap-l> jrwren: but other than that, how does it sound?
[13:49] <snap-l> Oh noes! I just got a note to my home account! Apparently my mailbox administrator says I'm over my quota!
[13:49] <snap-l> Your mailbox has exceeded one or more size limits set by the administrator.
[13:49] <snap-l> You can not send or receive new mail until size of your mail box is reduced.
[13:49] <snap-l> For more space, Please click the link below and fill in the details of correct account.
[13:49] <snap-l> Maybe I should just contact my mail administrator. Hello, self? Yeah, apparently I'm over some quota.
[13:50] <brousch> snap-l: oh crap, i just forwarded an opportunity to make a million dollars to you. i hope it doesn't bounce
[13:50] <snap-l> brousch: Not to worry; I run my own mail server. :)
[13:50] <snap-l> It'll get here just fine, my little nigerian prince. :)
[14:12] <jcastro> snap-l, he doesn't have better google-fu
[14:12] <jcastro> he's just smart enough to always add a site:stackoverflow.com to any programming question
[14:12] <jcastro> a fine plan
[14:19] <snap-l> jcastro: Yeah, that is a plan
[14:21] <jcastro> always through google, the built in search is kind of meh
[14:21] <jcastro> I wish they would just use google or something as their built in search
[16:56] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, but these days the with context manager is the way to go
[16:57] <rick_h> jrwren: and I'm always proud of good python devs, hell awesome that you're doing python. You'll pass by me soon
[16:57] <rick_h> ughhh, barely alive today
[16:58] <rick_h> I have a feeling I'm in for a rough day
[16:58] <Blazeix> how many hours of sleep have you averaged this week?
[16:58] <Blazeix> judging by your tweets, 2 hours a night
[16:59] <rick_h> hah, well started out 'ugh, tired at 8pm...bed at 10pm'
[16:59] <rick_h> ended up 'ooh, tired at 3am, bed around 4:30am'
[17:06] <snap-l> rick_h: so I should call you tomorrow morning at 6:30? :)
[17:20] <jrwren> rick_h: yeah, context manager looks cool... maybe a bit too VB like :p :)
[17:32] <snap-l> http://ia700300.us.archive.org/14/items/AlJolson/AlJolson-YouAintHeardNothingYet.mp3
[19:06] <greg-g> w00t! my project was mentioned, positively, in the WSJ! http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/03/14/what-googles-search-changes-might-mean-for-you/
[19:06] <greg-g> search for LRMI
[19:08] <_stink_> sweet!
[19:17] <snap-l> greg-g: Very cool
[19:54] <greg-g> snap-l: that bandcamp album you linked to yesterday was good (solid drums/instrumentals + no vocals)... got any more recommendations my dear music recommendation AI?
[20:05] <snap-l> Spiralmountain
[20:05] <snap-l> http://spiralmountain.bandcamp.com/
[20:06] <snap-l> Their self-titled album is what I'm thinking of, greg-g
[20:08] <greg-g> thank you, you good sir
[20:08] <snap-l> http://encircle.bandcamp.com/album/watch-the-sky-fall
[20:08] <greg-g> lemme just finish watching this, because he is hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WwfYrW4oJo&feature=related
[20:09] <snap-l> http://returningwehearthelarks.bandcamp.com/
[20:11] <greg-g> alright, back to XML/RDF hacking :) thanks snap-l :)
[20:12] <snap-l> np. :)
[20:12] <greg-g> spiral mountain is starting out great
[20:12] <snap-l> Yeah, it's very similar
[20:22] <jrwren> i think i found a bug in pep3110
[20:23] <jrwren> http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3110/#semantic-changes it is deleting None, which makes no sense.
[21:12] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/qxvxk/wrote_university_paper_in_latex_esubmission_only/
[21:12] <snap-l> I'm totally doing this the next time someone wants a doc formatted file
[21:18] <greg-g> I just started to download the Encircle album you linked to snap-l, and I said, outloud to my dismay, "I'm a FLAC-tard"
[21:18] <snap-l> Yep, I loves me some flac
[21:19] <snap-l> greg-g: Want a Squeezebox coupon to buy some flac-capable streaming hardware? :)
[21:19] <brousch> i use mp3. does that make me FLACid?
[21:20] <snap-l> Nah, you're just lossy
[21:20] <greg-g> I can always count on brousch to one up my jokes.
[21:20] <greg-g> snap-l: does this coupon cost you anything?
[21:20] <snap-l> greg-g: Not at all.
[21:20] <snap-l> I'll send you a scan when I get home
[21:21] <greg-g> coolio
[21:21] <greg-g> thanks, may or may not, but options are awesome, and something like this would be nice
[21:21] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm really digging my Squeezeboxen.
[23:02] <jrwren> ++
[23:02] <jrwren> i finally used squeezebox syncronization. totally sweet.
[23:04] <jrwren> lol... or pep3110 is fine and I need to learn python :)
[23:06] <snap-l> jrwren: Isn't it awesome?
[23:06] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, I think that pep is OK, but I couldn't vocalize what was right about it
[23:08] <snap-l> I <3 the public domain and old recordings
[23:08] <snap-l> listening to Rachmaninov's piano concertos played by Sergei Rachmaninov himself
[23:09] <snap-l> Naxos did a hell of a job remastering these recordings
[23:13] <snap-l> I wish there were more things in the PD
[23:23] <greg-g> "just wait"? ohrite
[23:24] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, I love that the 1920s is in the PD, but the 1930s is somewhat in the PD
[23:24] <snap-l> and the 1940s, 50s, and 60s start tapering off
[23:25] <snap-l> modtly because of fuck ups and non-renewals
[23:25] <snap-l> But, since we're heading back to Victorian times in prudishness, maybe the PD will welcome us with open arms
[23:26] <snap-l> with it's old shit and fuck-ups. :)
[23:28]  * greg-g can't wait until he is an old shit and fuck up
[23:28] <greg-g> HALF WAY THERE!
[23:29] <snap-l> heh
[23:57] <brousch> jrwren: Did you get flattened? http://blogs.woodtv.com/2012/03/15/confirmed-tornado-near-dexter-near-ann-arbor/