[00:25] rick_h: WHo is having trouble with a Windows key? [00:26] snap-l: just wife was confused what 'meta/windows' was [00:27] Ah [02:17] yeah so you do a git clone [02:17] but you didn't install git [02:18] also you try to run something called install_subway [02:18] which doesn't appear to exist [02:19] o_O [02:19] install_subway? [02:29] alternatively, you can apt-get install potbelly [02:46] <_stink_> looks like most quiznos around here have been apt-get removed [02:47] doh! [02:48] ugh [11:23] Good morning [11:24] morning snap-l [11:26] How goes the day? [11:26] looks like a good day coming [13:02] Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends [13:03] We're so glad you could attend, come inside, come inside [13:03] There behind a glass stands a real blade of grass [13:03] Be careful as you pass,.move along, move along [13:04] Come inside, the show's about to start [13:04] Guaranteed to blow your head apart [13:04] Rest assured you'll get your money's worth [13:04] Greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth [13:04] ~Emerson Lake And Palmer [13:06] botbrew has python2.7, vim, and git. pip is easy to install. if i can get virtualenv working i could develop on my tablet [13:13] i need python help. [13:13] i have inherited a codebase. [13:13] Im not happy with some things in it. [13:13] so... first nit pick. [13:14] there is alot of pickle.load(open(filename)) and pickle.dump(something,open(filename)) [13:14] in it. [13:14] shouldn't those open file handles be closed? [13:20] jrwren: WEll, they'll be closed on garbage collection [13:20] ok, so single functions with pickle.load(open(file)) and later pickle.dump(open(file)) [13:21] and... WHAT?!?! [13:21] since when does any garbage collector collect file handles??? [13:21] GC's collect memory, not filehandles. [13:21] at least in java and .net [13:21] jrwren: On exit they will be closed [13:21] is python's filehandle not as low level ? [13:21] right... on exit. [13:21] which is NEVER in the case of a django app :) [13:21] but I believe the pickle code will do the open / close [13:22] it's not working on a file handle [13:22] snap-l: you are not the first to mention t his, but can you please find me documentation on this? [13:22] http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html [13:22] no shit. [13:22] no mention of is there. [13:23] i can google too :p [13:23] jrwren: Cranky cranky [13:23] indeed. [13:25] http://stackoverflow.com/a/575383/16998 [13:27] Ah, you have better google fu than I [13:30] jrwren: Does that answer your question, though? [13:32] yes. [13:32] jrwren: wow, so they just tossed you right in django eh? [13:32] there are no more referencs to that file handle, so it is released immediately [13:32] VERY foreign coming from .net and java [13:32] brousch: yup. django is damned simple [13:42] i wonder if someday I'll make rick_h the uber pythonista proud of my python skirra. [13:42] probably not [13:43] not by using django ;) [13:43] jrwren: i know you just got a new job, but i think you would really fit in here http://detroit.atomicobject.com/ [13:44] a lot of ruby, .net, and java [13:46] django is not going to hold someone back from being awesome at python. [13:46] brousch: yeah, atomic object is awesome. [13:47] but i don't want to commute that [13:47] or move. [13:47] and they wouldn't pay me enough :p [13:47] i honestly don't know what they pay [13:47] jrwren: but other than that, how does it sound? [13:49] Oh noes! I just got a note to my home account! Apparently my mailbox administrator says I'm over my quota! [13:49] Your mailbox has exceeded one or more size limits set by the administrator. [13:49] You can not send or receive new mail until size of your mail box is reduced. [13:49] For more space, Please click the link below and fill in the details of correct account. [13:49] Maybe I should just contact my mail administrator. Hello, self? Yeah, apparently I'm over some quota. [13:50] snap-l: oh crap, i just forwarded an opportunity to make a million dollars to you. i hope it doesn't bounce [13:50] brousch: Not to worry; I run my own mail server. :) [13:50] It'll get here just fine, my little nigerian prince. :) [14:12] snap-l, he doesn't have better google-fu [14:12] he's just smart enough to always add a site:stackoverflow.com to any programming question [14:12] a fine plan [14:19] jcastro: Yeah, that is a plan [14:21] always through google, the built in search is kind of meh [14:21] I wish they would just use google or something as their built in search [16:56] jrwren: yea, but these days the with context manager is the way to go [16:57] jrwren: and I'm always proud of good python devs, hell awesome that you're doing python. You'll pass by me soon [16:57] ughhh, barely alive today [16:58] I have a feeling I'm in for a rough day [16:58] how many hours of sleep have you averaged this week? [16:58] judging by your tweets, 2 hours a night [16:59] hah, well started out 'ugh, tired at 8pm...bed at 10pm' [16:59] ended up 'ooh, tired at 3am, bed around 4:30am' [17:06] rick_h: so I should call you tomorrow morning at 6:30? :) [17:20] rick_h: yeah, context manager looks cool... maybe a bit too VB like :p :) [17:32] http://ia700300.us.archive.org/14/items/AlJolson/AlJolson-YouAintHeardNothingYet.mp3 [19:06] w00t! my project was mentioned, positively, in the WSJ! http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/03/14/what-googles-search-changes-might-mean-for-you/ [19:06] search for LRMI [19:08] <_stink_> sweet! [19:17] greg-g: Very cool [19:54] snap-l: that bandcamp album you linked to yesterday was good (solid drums/instrumentals + no vocals)... got any more recommendations my dear music recommendation AI? [20:05] Spiralmountain [20:05] http://spiralmountain.bandcamp.com/ [20:06] Their self-titled album is what I'm thinking of, greg-g [20:08] thank you, you good sir [20:08] http://encircle.bandcamp.com/album/watch-the-sky-fall [20:08] lemme just finish watching this, because he is hilarious http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WwfYrW4oJo&feature=related [20:09] http://returningwehearthelarks.bandcamp.com/ [20:11] alright, back to XML/RDF hacking :) thanks snap-l :) [20:12] np. :) [20:12] spiral mountain is starting out great [20:12] Yeah, it's very similar [20:22] i think i found a bug in pep3110 [20:23] http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-3110/#semantic-changes it is deleting None, which makes no sense. [21:12] http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems/comments/qxvxk/wrote_university_paper_in_latex_esubmission_only/ [21:12] I'm totally doing this the next time someone wants a doc formatted file [21:18] I just started to download the Encircle album you linked to snap-l, and I said, outloud to my dismay, "I'm a FLAC-tard" [21:18] Yep, I loves me some flac [21:19] greg-g: Want a Squeezebox coupon to buy some flac-capable streaming hardware? :) [21:19] i use mp3. does that make me FLACid? [21:20] Nah, you're just lossy [21:20] I can always count on brousch to one up my jokes. [21:20] snap-l: does this coupon cost you anything? [21:20] greg-g: Not at all. [21:20] I'll send you a scan when I get home [21:21] coolio [21:21] thanks, may or may not, but options are awesome, and something like this would be nice [21:21] Yeah, I'm really digging my Squeezeboxen. [23:02] ++ [23:02] i finally used squeezebox syncronization. totally sweet. [23:04] lol... or pep3110 is fine and I need to learn python :) [23:06] jrwren: Isn't it awesome? [23:06] jrwren: Yeah, I think that pep is OK, but I couldn't vocalize what was right about it [23:08] I <3 the public domain and old recordings [23:08] listening to Rachmaninov's piano concertos played by Sergei Rachmaninov himself [23:09] Naxos did a hell of a job remastering these recordings [23:13] I wish there were more things in the PD [23:23] "just wait"? ohrite [23:24] greg-g: Yeah, I love that the 1920s is in the PD, but the 1930s is somewhat in the PD [23:24] and the 1940s, 50s, and 60s start tapering off [23:25] modtly because of fuck ups and non-renewals [23:25] But, since we're heading back to Victorian times in prudishness, maybe the PD will welcome us with open arms [23:26] with it's old shit and fuck-ups. :) [23:28] * greg-g can't wait until he is an old shit and fuck up [23:28] HALF WAY THERE! [23:29] heh [23:57] jrwren: Did you get flattened? http://blogs.woodtv.com/2012/03/15/confirmed-tornado-near-dexter-near-ann-arbor/