[00:38] <Sadin> I know most of you guys in here are IT gurus and i just program so i have a question for you all, im almost 17 i cant get a job no one is hiring i want to ask for the money to build or for a server (a tower not rack) And i was thinking of going with a customized lenovo think server with a intel xenon 2gb am 500gb HD and noOS which starts me around 550$... is there any cheaper solution? or cheaper barebones/custom bu
[00:38] <Sadin> ilt you can reccomend that would have that power yet still be under or near the price
[00:46] <patbarron> This barebones kit is $399 and should blow the doors off of the ThinkServer:  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1622532&CatId=5294
[00:48] <jedijf> hive would take 500 for a dell poweredge 2950, i think it's at 4gigs of ram
[00:51] <Sadin> jedijf i looked into dell servers i dont like dell too much and it was kinda like expensive compared to the lenovo solutions i found
[00:52] <Sadin> patbarron i was looking into the barebones on tiger
[00:52] <patbarron> Looks like you have to add case fans, though.  Shouldn't be too expensive.
[00:52] <Sadin> if i want to run this machine as a dedicated server does it matter if its a desktop or a server machine or is that just in the name?
[00:53] <patbarron> Just a name, really.
[00:53] <Sadin> okay
[00:53] <Sadin> patbarron this is probably more expensive but these dont look to bad so far https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=23597587
[00:55] <patbarron> Can't see it (don't have an account at newegg)...  Direct URL to the product?
[00:58] <Sadin> patbarron this is all thats in the wishlist so far http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.815265
[01:01] <patbarron> Sadin: looks nice, but more pieces you need to supply yourself (CPU, hard drive, memory).  I'm shopping for something like what you're looking for, myself to do some "server consolidation" at home.  Planning to run a bunch of KVM guests, to rid myself of several single-purpose systems.  So I've been shopping TigerDirect and such too.  :-)
[01:02] <patbarron> Looking more towards AMD-based systems, though.  Not such a big fan of Intel.  (Nothing wrong with Intel, just I think too expensive for what you get...)
[01:02] <Sadin> patbarron yes i know i have an 80Gb SATA HD lying around and also a powersupply
[01:03] <Sadin> just picked a combo of 2 2gb RAM sticks
[01:03] <patbarron> Cool :)
[01:06] <Sadin> https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.aspx?ID=23597587 patbarron can you see now?
[01:07] <patbarron> No, wants me to sign in (with account that I don't have...) before it will let me view a wish list...
[01:08] <Sadin> wth?
[01:08] <patbarron> Not sure why.
[01:08] <patbarron> Since the URL says "MySavedWishDetail", I wonder if you are the only one that is allowed to view yuor wish lists...
[01:09] <patbarron> (At least via that URL, anyway)
[01:13] <Sadin> patbarron there are no sharing options other then linking urls and this barebones suits my needs a lil better :)
[01:13] <Sadin> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1922480&CatId=5294
[01:13] <Sadin> can always add more RAM later
[01:15] <patbarron> That was one of the ones I was considering buying recently.  :-)
[01:16] <patbarron> Only reason I didn't is that I was hoping for a 1 TB hard drive.
[01:16] <patbarron> But I like the ASUS motherboard, and the AMD Phenom II X6 processor.
[01:18] <Sadin> Meh 500gb is enough for NodeJS/Ruby/RubyOnRails/PHP repositories
[01:19] <patbarron> Yeah, I would agree.  I only want a mess of disk space because I'm going to be running a bunch of virtual machines.
[01:20] <Sadin> patbarron prolly running #! linux on it for a workstation since its built of one of the most stable OSes for Servers Debian
[01:22] <Sadin> or Debian with no GUI or CentOS
[01:23] <patbarron> I was just going to ask why not just run Debian.  :-)  (I don't know much about #!, so just curious...).  CentOS is a good choice too.
[01:26] <Sadin> patbarron cause i just dont like debian and love the #! community as well
[01:26] <Sadin> :)
[01:26] <Sadin> i mea i like dedian just not all the extra junk on it debian6 minimal 64bit is running on my VPS
[01:27] <patbarron> There's something to be said for that.  ;-)  I have some servers at work that I run minimal Debian on, and I have no complaints.
[01:29] <patbarron> I spent much of the afternoon today fighting with Arch Linux (because someone's interested in it for a Linux installfest I'm helping to run this week).  Yuck.  Not recommended (by me, anyway... ;-) ).
[01:29] <Sadin> patbarron arch was really fun
[01:30] <Sadin> i used to only use arch but i wanted to keep my gaming computer and i wanted to sell my windows laptop for $$$ to buy an intuos 4 drawing/design tablet
[01:30] <patbarron> Made me really appreciate how easy Debian and Fedora have gotten...  Arch seemed to have too many things you have to tweak by hand.  (And Xorg is completely broken when running it under VMware right now - it's a bug, they know about it, just not fixed yet...)
[01:30] <Sadin> i have a macbook i know can run debian/#! its just im not to sure about being okay with a one button track pad....
[01:31] <Sadin> patbarron yes im on the fedora design team and it did that for me too
[01:31] <Sadin> patbarron #! is like a complete openbox enviornment for Debian that works out of the box that is meant for cutomization LIKE arch but works right away and gives you stuff to work with
[01:32] <patbarron> I'll have to check into it, sounds like it could be fun...
[01:33] <Sadin> yeah it is great community too
[01:33] <Sadin> they accept all distros
[01:33] <Sadin> distro users*
[02:54] <InHisName> Sadin: did you see the server for sale by Mr. Bacon (Samurialbi or however spelled)  I think $350 dual Xeons, 8 core, yadda yadda.     I checked max memory was 64Gb, however to buy that much is $2800, uggh.  He has 8gb in it.
[02:54] <Sadin> InHisName NO WHERE!?!?!?!
[02:55]  * JonathanD steals it.
[02:56] <Sadin> InHisName i could prolly get that for my birthday and i would just die D:!!!!!!!!!
[02:56] <InHisName> JonathanD: you bought it off of him already?
[02:56] <JonathanD> no
[02:58] <Sadin> Where is this guy!
[02:58] <Sadin> i want him to hold it for me!!!!!!
[02:59] <InHisName> @later tell SamuraiAlba if your server is still for sale, contact sadin, here.   He is VERY interested.
[02:59] <Sadin> YAY!
[03:00] <Sadin> i mean i dont have that much money but if i explain to my dad that its a 3grand server for 350 O.o dear lord
[03:00] <Sadin> duel xenons my gawd :D
[03:00] <InHisName> Not sure the bot is running, Sadin.  You may have to be on alert for Mr. Bacon -- SamuraiAlba when he drops by
[03:01] <Sadin> i smell RubyOnRails Hosting NodeJS Hosting Minecraft Server Terraria Server and some repositories and even POSSIBLY Virtual machines
[03:01] <Sadin> :D
[03:02] <InHisName> Nice toy, if you got the spare $$$
[03:03] <Sadin> Toy ohnononono (maybe a lil hehehe) but That would sit on my desk and power my entire houses fileservers so my parents can stop complaining about missing itunes songs.... and host my web apps for clients
[03:04]  * Sadin can picture it now
[03:04] <Sadin> (hehe)
[03:28] <Sadin> off to bed night al
[07:50] <MutantTurkey> should go to sleep
[09:51] <rmg51> Morning
[10:08] <JonathanD> Morning rmg51
[10:31] <rmg51> hi JonathanD
[11:26] <waltman> morning AGAIN?
[11:27] <rmg51> o/
[11:27] <rmg51> off to work I go :P
[13:08] <InHisName> mornin' all u non workers and employeds
[13:18] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon to all!
[13:35] <InHisName> hey did the @later show for you SamuraiAlba ?
[13:36] <rmg51> no bot yet
[13:37] <InHisName> @later tell SamuraiAlba if your server is still for sale, contact sadin, here.   He is VERY interested.
[13:37] <InHisName> there, you can read it now.
[13:56] <JonathanD> Hi.
[14:03] <InHisName> hi JonathanD
[14:04] <JonathanD> hi InHisName
[14:04] <JonathanD> Good mornign.
[14:07] <SamuraiAlba> hihi
[14:07] <SamuraiAlba> contact who?
[14:07] <SamuraiAlba> I was tutoring a student in CompSci
[14:47] <ChinnoDog> I need a new HDMI cable for my xbox. http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/03/14/hdmi-cable-protects-your-xbox-360-from-noisy-viruses
[14:58] <adom> my testdisk analysis is at 3%
[14:58] <adom> been running for almost 24 hrs
[15:03] <adom> er...i mean 8%
[15:03] <adom> -_-
[15:56] <SamuraiAlba> Good bacon!
[16:16] <ChinnoDog> I thought you gave up bacon
[16:25] <InHisName> SamuraiAlba: check with sadin,  he may want to buy your server.  Have to check later, he's not here right now.
[16:45] <SamuraiAlba> kk
[16:46] <SamuraiAlba> bacon good
[17:50] <MutantTurkey> JonathanD: shipping out my laptop now.
[17:50] <MutantTurkey> :[
[17:50] <MutantTurkey> I selected "Do not reimage" like 20 times
[18:21] <JonathanD> The UPS guys is re-imaging it enroute.
[18:44] <MutantTurkey> which is really a bummer
[19:03] <Sadin> yay https://www.linux.com/news/featured-blogs/158-jim-zemlin/554920-as-data-grows-so-grows-linux
[19:06] <MutantTurkey> sigh
[19:07] <MutantTurkey> this is the year of the linux desktop right?
[19:31] <ChinnoDog> People say that every year
[19:33] <pleia2> desktops are so 00s
[19:34] <InHisName1> Maybe we should revise that to "this is the year of the data center in your bedroom"
[19:34] <ChinnoDog> Thats what I am planning InHisName1
[19:35] <InHisName1> Goona stick with 12Download meg bits and 2 upload meg bits ?
[19:35] <ChinnoDog> I wish I still had bandwidth like that
[19:41] <SamuraiAlba> Bacon!
[19:45] <EvilResistance> GIVE IT TO ME!
[19:45] <EvilResistance> THE BACON!
[19:45] <InHisName1> sudo make me a BLT, SamuraiAlba
[19:46] <EvilResistance> SamuraiAlba, sudo make me a bacon sandwich
[20:00] <SamuraiAlba> back!
[20:00] <SamuraiAlba> Dang hibernate
[20:00]  * SamuraiAlba passes out BLTs
[20:07] <Sadin> InHisName1 wheres Mr BAcon :D
[20:08] <SamuraiAlba> I r mister bacons
[20:08] <Sadin> :O
[20:08] <SamuraiAlba> SamuraiALba :)
[20:08] <Sadin> your server sir your server
[20:08] <SamuraiAlba> I r here at school
[20:08] <Sadin> i am 16 and i want it!
[20:08] <Sadin> :D
[20:08] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[20:08] <SamuraiAlba> where u located?
[20:08] <Sadin> need to find the money but i want it!!!!! SOOOOOO BAD!
[20:08] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[20:08] <SamuraiAlba> Specs are easy :)
[20:09] <SamuraiAlba> 2xquad core Xeon 5335 2.0ghz
[20:09] <SamuraiAlba> 8GB FB-ECC DDR2
[20:09] <SamuraiAlba> 4x73gb 10k SAS drives in RAID 6
[20:09] <Sadin> yes but thats insanely cheap compared to what i can get as a barebones for that rice on tigerdirect
[20:09] <SamuraiAlba> 400 series HP battery backed up controller
[20:09] <Sadin> O.o
[20:09] <Sadin> how much were you asking again!
[20:09] <SamuraiAlba> 350 + ship
[20:09] <SamuraiAlba> Weighs 47? lbs
[20:10] <SamuraiAlba> I must inform you
[20:10] <Sadin> oh my thats a bargain D:
[20:10] <SamuraiAlba> Mutant Turkey has dibs until nextg weekend.  Depends on his finances.
[20:10] <SamuraiAlba> If not, you are welcome to grab it
[20:10] <Sadin> Oh darnit :( MutantTurkey my arch nemisis!!!!!
[20:10] <SamuraiAlba> What Open Source OS you want?
[20:10] <SamuraiAlba> Dont give up hope
[20:10] <SamuraiAlba> I can find more servers cheaply
[20:11] <SamuraiAlba> ad you might luck out and get this HP :)
[20:11] <SamuraiAlba> What would you be using it for?
[20:11] <SamuraiAlba> It has 3 PCI-E slots, too
[20:11] <SamuraiAlba> 8x
[20:12] <Sadin> NodeJS RubyOnRails hosting and file backups for my house and code repositories
[20:12] <SamuraiAlba> nice :)
[20:12] <SamuraiAlba> I need a web site done lol
[20:12] <Sadin> :O
[20:12] <Sadin> if i do it
[20:12] <SamuraiAlba> I'm pulling a long shift every day here
[20:12] <Sadin> would you take off some :3
[20:12] <SamuraiAlba> I'll knock off 75?
[20:12] <Sadin> OH MY LAWD YOUR MY FAVORITE PERSON EVER!
[20:13] <Sadin> Ill do it do you have the machines to host in on and and preferences etc?
[20:14] <SamuraiAlba> What are you looking for hardware wise in a server?
[20:15] <SamuraiAlba> will a dual opteron work?
[20:15] <SamuraiAlba> 16GB ram?
[20:15] <SamuraiAlba> I can land one fr ya
[20:15] <Sadin> Something with at least 8gb RAM
[20:15] <SamuraiAlba> this way YOU and MuTu can rock out :)
[20:15] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=X4100M1-OPT26-PB-R&cat=SVR
[20:15] <Sadin> a quad core or better
[20:15] <SamuraiAlba> Free shipping
[20:16] <SamuraiAlba> dual opt dual core
[20:16] <SamuraiAlba> 299.99
[20:16] <Sadin> with out the website discount or with :#
[20:16] <Sadin> :3
[20:17] <SamuraiAlba> That is without, and not my website
[20:17] <SamuraiAlba> I just dug that up on the fly
[20:17] <SamuraiAlba> It's a company I get servers from
[20:17] <SamuraiAlba> that opteron has QUAD gb lan
[20:18] <Sadin> i dun know what that means
[20:18] <SamuraiAlba> 4 gb lan ports
[20:18] <Sadin> i know i need >= 4 cores and >= 8gb RAM to start
[20:18] <SamuraiAlba> 4 cores and 16gb ram
[20:18] <Sadin> :O
[20:18] <Sadin> great! ican always upgrade it later
[20:18] <SamuraiAlba> the ram is roughly 560.00 to start
[20:18] <SamuraiAlba> lol
[20:19] <Sadin> so how much is this all gonna cost 0.o
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> 299.99
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> Telling you what it costs to BUILD if not bought from geek
[20:20] <Sadin> is there a HD in it?
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> drives are about 80 each
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> 2x73gb 10k SAS drives in it
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> 299.99 fr u from geeks.com
[20:20] <Sadin> so 299.99 and HDs are included?
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> yup
[20:20] <SamuraiAlba> and ram
[20:21] <Sadin> ok
[20:21] <SamuraiAlba> no  optical drive
[20:21] <SamuraiAlba> can boot usb tho
[20:21] <Sadin> thats fine dun need one
[20:22] <SamuraiAlba> dual psu's too :)
[20:22] <SamuraiAlba> Your electrical costs WILL suffer :)
[20:22] <SamuraiAlba> LOL
[20:23] <SamuraiAlba> 1100 watts total
[20:26] <SamuraiAlba> Liking what you see?
[20:26] <Sadin> SamuraiAlba well im going to ask my dad for an early birthday preasent can you like pastebin or gist me a list of the parts and specs?
[20:27] <Sadin> and tbh i almost had a heart attack when you told me you could get me one this cheap :D
[20:27] <SamuraiAlba> http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=X4100M1-OPT26-PB-R&cat=SVR
[20:29] <Sadin> SamuraiAlba do i need a rack mount for this cause i dont have one ?
[20:29] <SamuraiAlba> You dont need... just a big desk LOL
[20:29] <Sadin> how long is this thing....
[20:30] <Sadin> and can i possibly sit its side????? lol
[20:30] <SamuraiAlba> 24-30" deep
[20:30] <SamuraiAlba> 19 1/2" wide
[20:31] <SamuraiAlba> not on side
[20:31] <Sadin> Okay well i can possibly lean it on its side or have my dad build a little wooden rack fo it if i get it
[20:32] <SamuraiAlba> wood is ok.  you COULD look online for a rack enclosure 4U or more
[20:33] <Sadin> SamuraiAlba ill ask for that for my birthday from my grandparents or something as long as its not too expensive
[20:34] <SamuraiAlba> kool
[20:36] <Sadin> would this work for it?
[20:36] <Sadin> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133032
[20:39] <SamuraiAlba> Should
[20:39] <Sadin> prolly wont put it on my wall but thats okay lol
[20:40] <SamuraiAlba> nope
[20:40] <SamuraiAlba> wont work
[20:40] <SamuraiAlba> need a 26" or greater depth
[20:41] <SamuraiAlba> 450/10/2.54 wont do
[20:41] <Sadin> oh boy
[20:42] <Sadin> well i found a 23" :/
[20:42] <Sadin> this should work http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816133039
[20:42] <Sadin> and its the cheapest i could find
[20:43] <SamuraiAlba> that works :)
[20:44] <SamuraiAlba> open air GOOD for heat
[20:44] <SamuraiAlba> shipping for my location is 33.00
[20:45] <Sadin> okay
[20:46] <Sadin> well i need to still check with my dad and do alot of convincing
[20:46] <SamuraiAlba> What are you going to go to college for?
[20:46] <Sadin> CompSci
[20:46] <Sadin> Or WebDevelopment
[20:46] <Sadin> I want to be a webdeveloper
[20:54] <SamuraiAlba> Web Development, you need to know the hardware limitations
[20:54] <SamuraiAlba> CompSci, you need the hardware to run code on :)
[21:05] <SamuraiAlba> rmg51!
[21:05]  * SamuraiAlba huggleglomps rmg51
[21:06] <rmg51> back at you
[21:06]  * SamuraiAlba smears butter on the ficus
[21:07]  * EvilResistance lights the ficus on fire
[21:07] <SamuraiAlba> Buttered BBQ'ed FICUS!
[21:23] <Sadin> SamuraiAlba well whatever i do the server (if i can get it) should last me a a while and be a great help
[21:23] <SamuraiAlba> cool beans
[21:27] <Sadin> god people who are language natzis really bug me...
[21:28] <EvilResistance> i have a question for you, Sadin... this 'server' you're getting, how are you going to run it?
[21:28] <EvilResistance> are you going to Colo it in a datacenter, or on your own network
[21:28] <Sadin> my own network
[21:29] <Sadin> why?
[21:29] <EvilResistance> what were you planning on running on it
[21:29] <EvilResistance> because some ISPs are picky
[21:29] <Sadin> A webserver
[21:30] <EvilResistance> make sure your ISP doesnt block port 80
[21:30] <Sadin> they dont
[21:37] <SamuraiAlba> :)
[21:39] <Sadin> ive hosted sites on my network before just on a crappy 2003 compaq i converted intoa server running ubuntu ..... didnt go over well
[21:44] <EvilResistance> hehe
[21:44] <EvilResistance> i have a Dell PowerEdge 2500 series server running here
[21:44] <EvilResistance> its my fileserver and a few other things :P
[21:45] <Sadin> Cool
[21:45] <Sadin> !