[00:04] <RAOF> I'll see if I can whip something up.
[00:05] <cnd> RAOF, that would be cool
[00:07]  * RAOF gets frustrated with technology and goes to get some food.
[00:09] <bryceh> RAOF, hah I just had the exact same thought
[00:56] <cnd> anyone know how to see a diff of a whole file
[00:56] <cnd> i.e. with all context
[00:57] <cnd> bzr diff that is
[00:59] <cnd> got it
[00:59] <cnd> --diff-options "-U -1"
[01:29] <cnd> RAOF, do you have an idea of when you might be able to turn around a makefile snippet?
[01:29] <cnd> this is all a dependency for fixing utouch tests
[01:29] <cnd> which badly need xorg-gtest to work again :)
[01:30] <RAOF> Aaah :)
[01:30]  * RAOF fires up emacs.
[01:30] <cnd> RAOF, if it's a day or two, then that's not a problem
[01:31] <cnd> otherwise, I think we need to figure out a contingency plan
[01:31] <RAOF> Shouldn't be that long.
[01:32] <cnd> ok
[01:33] <cnd> in the meantime, I'm manually installing libgtest-dev_1.6.0-1ubuntu1 :)
[17:29] <broder> hmm, tap-to-click seems to keep getting turned on when i boot up, even though the setting is off. if i open the capplet and toggle the setting on and off, then i stop getting tap-to-click. what should i file a bug against?
[17:31] <tjaalton> broder: gnome-settings-daemon is my bet
[17:36] <broder> hmm, yeah. i think you're right. i don't see a bug in the code, though. bah
[18:04] <Sarvatt> broder: do you have a clickpad?
[18:04] <Sarvatt> synclient -l | grep ClickPad
[18:04] <broder> Sarvatt: no
[18:04] <broder> "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"
[18:05] <Sarvatt> broder: yeah a synaptics clickpad I meant, i just noticed ClickPad=1 seems to unconditionally enable tap to click
[18:05] <broder> it's not a clickpad, and synclient isn't identifying it as one
[18:05] <Sarvatt> oh you use older releases don't ya
[18:06] <broder> i'm actually on precise finally :)
[18:06] <broder> (and i'm in the process of upgrading the product i work on at work to oneiric, so i'll be totally off the unreasonably old releases)
[18:08] <Sarvatt> broder: is the g-s-d mouse plugin enabled? i had it (along with xrandr and xsettings) mysteriously get disabled a few times on package upgrades
[18:08] <Sarvatt> org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/mouse in dconf-editor
[18:08] <broder> yep, it's active
[18:09] <broder> turning tap-to-click on and then back off in gnomecc seems to fix it until the next reboot
[18:11] <seb128> Sarvatt, I doubt it's on upgrade
[18:11] <seb128> Sarvatt, did you ever run unity-greeter in your session?
[18:11] <seb128> Sarvatt, it does that for you, those plugins are disabled in the greeter, and when run in your session they disable them for your user
[18:11] <Sarvatt> seb128: does --test-mode count?
[18:11] <seb128> yes
[18:11] <Sarvatt> yep indeed that was the problem then!
[18:12] <Sarvatt> thanks, was really stumping me why it happens
[18:12] <seb128> "known bug" ;-)
[18:12] <seb128> yw
[18:12] <seb128> it took me a while to figure as well
[18:43] <broder> ...huh. tap to click actually seems to have gotten turned back on, possibly when my screensaver activated
[19:22] <broder> nope, it just gets turned on intermittently
[19:39] <bryceh> cnd, see this?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOvQCPLkPt4
[19:46] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[19:53] <cnd> bryceh, yeah, MS has been talking about improving touch performance for a little bit now
[19:53] <cnd> maybe 6 months
[19:53] <cnd> they're working closely with the makers of the panels
[19:53] <bryceh> mm
[19:53] <cnd> hopefully we'll benefit from it too :)
[21:22] <tjaalton> hm, apport opened chromium for some reason, firefox is the default..
[21:27] <tjaalton> x-www-browser points to chromium for some reason, but apport should use xdg-open
[21:35] <bryceh> tjaalton, hmm according to apport/NEWS, it started using xdg-open around 1.24 (2011-10-19)
[21:36] <bryceh> wonder if it's something lower down like in launchpadlib?
[21:38] <tjaalton> could be, filed a bug about it just in case
[21:39] <tjaalton> seems that ubuntu-bug ends up using xdg-open, but the crash reporter doesn't
[21:40] <bryceh> hmm, is that evand's crash reporter code?
[21:42] <tjaalton> whoopsie? maybe
[21:44] <tjaalton> it's just the daemon?
[22:33] <bryceh> more ubuntu wayland hand wringing on moronix
[22:44] <bryceh> they suddenly expect that end users should be able to transition off X11 to wayland in 12.10?
[22:45] <RAOF> Totally possible!
[22:46] <RAOF> As long as the users aren't particularly demanding.
[22:46] <RAOF> :)
[22:47] <FernandoMiguel> someone recall me what wayland is 
[22:47] <bryceh> FernandoMiguel, it's unicorns and rainbows
[22:47] <FernandoMiguel> ah those
[22:55] <bjsnider> replacement for xorg
[23:19] <bryceh> FernandoMiguel, less snarkily, Wayland is a 3D display server as opposed to X which is 2D with 3D bolted on.  A lot of people got  their hopes up very early on that it would "replace X".  But there's still a long way to go, and it irritates me to see phoronix teasing people with what we're (at the moment not) doing in Ubuntu
[23:21] <FernandoMiguel> ack
[23:21] <RAOF> There's quite a lot of work that'll need to be done before it's ready to "replace X".  Where by "replace X" we mean "run X clients in their own X server, and wayland clients alongside them".
[23:22]  * RAOF is still interested in turning lightdm into a wayland compositor and running an X server under it, though.
[23:24] <eruditehermit> Sarvatt, hey, are you about?
[23:26] <bryceh> RAOF, certainly that would be one way to eliminate our login corruption bug.  ;-)
[23:26] <RAOF> With all sorts of new and exciting corruption bugs possible!
[23:26] <bryceh> out with the old bugs, in with the new!
[23:27] <FernandoMiguel> and in the mean time make LP team get paid 
[23:57] <FernandoMiguel> nite