| robin_ | Hi! Brand newbie to Linux, just arrived here, trying X-Chat for the first time. And bravely - or foolishly - testing Xubu 12.04 today! | 00:02 |
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| robin_ | is anyone here this evening? | 00:04 |
| pleia2 | welcome robin_ :) thanks for testing! | 00:04 |
| pleia2 | I ran some iso tests for installs on Sunday | 00:05 |
| robin_ | I'm not sure I'll be much good as a tester, but I'd love to help! My Xubu has sent four "crash reports" in, so I hope that helps in some way | 00:05 |
| robin_ | The installer balked on the first attempt, but went ahead on the second... updates failed this morning because my "/temp" folder was too full... | 00:06 |
| pleia2 | a "good tester" is someone who uses it and reports bugs when they happen, so it sounds like you're well on your way :) | 00:06 |
| robin_ | didn't know how to empty it, but opened it as root and deleted abuncha stuff to make room for the updates. | 00:07 |
| robin_ | Oh, so the "automatic report" thingy is actually sending a bug report? | 00:07 |
| robin_ | updates worked after that... is that a bug? | 00:08 |
| pleia2 | I think so | 00:08 |
| pleia2 | not sure if that's a bug, when you installed did you set up the partitions yourself, or just let it put everything together? | 00:08 |
| robin_ | I inherited an old Dell with Xubu Lucid on it. The new installer offered an "upgrade," so I assume it left the existing partitions intact | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | packages should end up in /var/cache/apt/archive/ and if /var fills up then you do end up having problems | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | err archives/ | 00:09 |
| pleia2 | so that's probably what happened | 00:10 |
| robin_ | "/" is 20 gb, "/swap" is 1 gig (twice my RAM), and "/home" has the rest of the drive. Um, at least it WAS set up that way when it had Lucid | 00:10 |
| pleia2 | so in that case /var would be in /, I could see that filling up | 00:11 |
| robin_ | Okay, so when I emptied the trash and deleted all that stuff from /temp, did that really fix it or should I keep looking? | 00:11 |
| pleia2 | robin_: if you go to System > System Monitor | 00:12 |
| pleia2 | you can click on the "File Systems" tab and see how much space you have | 00:12 |
| pleia2 | if "/" is a high percentage, you may run into problems in the future again | 00:13 |
| robin_ | Um, I don't have a System icon... is it in the right-click menu? | 00:13 |
| pleia2 | yeah, in the right click menu | 00:13 |
| pleia2 | sorry | 00:14 |
| robin_ | nope. LOL how do I find System Monitor from the right-click menu? Got abuncha leftover settings from the previous owner (set up on Xubu Lucid) | 00:15 |
| pleia2 | do you have a "System" section of the right click menu? | 00:16 |
| pleia2 | oh right, by default it's Right Click and then maybe Applications | 00:16 |
| robin_ | scrolling all the way thru all the options, don't see system monitor among the choices | 00:16 |
| * pleia2 checks her other system | 00:16 | |
| pleia2 | yes, that's it | 00:16 |
| pleia2 | right click, Applications > System > System Monitor | 00:17 |
| pleia2 | (Applications should be at the bottom of the menu) | 00:17 |
| robin_ | Right Click > Applications > System > synaptic, gigalo, other stuff listed, no system monitor | 00:18 |
| pleia2 | huh, maybe it's something I installed somewhere along the way | 00:18 |
| pleia2 | how about this, open a terminal and type: df -h | 00:18 |
| robin_ | lol, I should open synaptic and look for "system monitor" then? | 00:18 |
| pleia2 | nah, I was actually just suggesting to use that because it would be easier | 00:18 |
| pleia2 | not easier if it's not installed! | 00:19 |
| robin_ | robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ df -h | 00:19 |
| robin_ | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 00:19 |
| robin_ | /dev/sda2 19G 18G 8.0K 100% / | 00:19 |
| robin_ | udev 240M 4.0K 240M 1% /dev | 00:19 |
| robin_ | tmpfs 99M 772K 99M 1% /run | 00:19 |
| robin_ | none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock | 00:19 |
| robin_ | none 247M 80K 247M 1% /run/shm | 00:19 |
| robin_ | /dev/sda3 54G 1.8G 50G 4% /home | 00:19 |
| robin_ | robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | there's your trouble :( | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | is completely full | 00:19 |
| pleia2 | err / | 00:19 |
| robin_ | omygoodness.... | 00:19 |
| robin_ | that's alot of stuff! what'll I do? | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | you can look around your system and see if there are applications you don't want and uninstall them | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | also do: sudo apt-get clean | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | that will remove old packages that you downloaded (they are already installed, the package files are just hanging around) | 00:20 |
| robin_ | AFTER I remove stuff I don't use, right? | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | clean usually frees up a little space | 00:20 |
| pleia2 | you can do it first, it doesn't uninstall anything | 00:21 |
| robin_ | okay, here goes | 00:21 |
| robin_ | robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ sudo apt-get clean | 00:22 |
| robin_ | [sudo] password for robin: | 00:22 |
| robin_ | robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | now do df -h again | 00:22 |
| robin_ | did it do anything? (I entered my password) | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | see if it's still 100, or if Avail has changed anything | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | yes, if it is quiet then it did it's job without err :) | 00:22 |
| robin_ | robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ df -h | 00:22 |
| robin_ | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 00:22 |
| robin_ | /dev/sda2 19G 18G 160M 100% / | 00:22 |
| robin_ | udev 240M 4.0K 240M 1% /dev | 00:22 |
| robin_ | tmpfs 99M 772K 99M 1% /run | 00:22 |
| robin_ | none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock | 00:22 |
| robin_ | none 247M 80K 247M 1% /run/shm | 00:22 |
| robin_ | /dev/sda3 54G 1.8G 50G 4% /home | 00:22 |
| robin_ | robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | there, you went from 8.0K to 160M available | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | which is a little space :) | 00:23 |
| robin_ | gained a few there, lol | 00:23 |
| robin_ | Got an 80-gb drive is all, too little for Xubu? | 00:23 |
| pleia2 | my / is 12G which is on the small side | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | you probably have a lot of applications installed, which is fine, but you may want a larger / partition if you want that | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | your home directory has 54 gigs, and you're only use 2 of them | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | so I'd resize home, and give some of that space to / | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | (this can be done from a livecd just gparted) | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | s/just/using | 00:25 |
| robin_ | so i should change my partition scheme, make more room for Xubu then | 00:25 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 00:25 |
| robin_ | If I boot from the LiveCD, doesn't it make me reinstall Xubu from scratch again? | 00:26 |
| pleia2 | you don't need to run the installer at all, you can just use the LiveCD to run the gparted application | 00:26 |
| robin_ | Or do I "run" the LiveCD from an already-running Xubu session? | 00:26 |
| pleia2 | I haven't actually done this with the graphical tools, looking up docs now | 00:27 |
| pleia2 | but you would reboot your computer, and boot with the LiveCD in to "Try Xubuntu" | 00:28 |
| robin_ | so I don't BOOT from the LiveCD, I just run it from say, the file manager. Is that correct? | 00:28 |
| robin_ | sorry, lag | 00:28 |
| pleia2 | oh wait, this is harder than I thought | 00:28 |
| pleia2 | I forgot that I use LVM, so all this is easy | 00:28 |
| robin_ | lol it's great that you're helping me! | 00:29 |
| robin_ | a newbie has no business testing anywayz, lol | 00:29 |
| pleia2 | oh no, we need newbies testing! | 00:29 |
| robin_ | OH! Wow, really!?!? | 00:30 |
| pleia2 | instead of doing all this, I'd just uninstall applications you don't use and try to get by with the existing partitions | 00:30 |
| pleia2 | if you ever want to back up your data and reinstall, I'd put everything into one partition (rather than having a separate /home) | 00:30 |
| robin_ | omygosh... i was thinking of throwing LibreOffice on | 00:31 |
| robin_ | for school I need more than just the Abiword and Gnumeric | 00:31 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:31 | |
| pleia2 | you say this came with lucid? | 00:31 |
| robin_ | yes ma'am or sir | 00:31 |
| pleia2 | 20G was more back in the lucid days :) but that's 4 years ago now | 00:31 |
| robin_ | it's really old... a hand-me-down | 00:31 |
| pleia2 | (and ma'am, thank you :)) | 00:31 |
| robin_ | how much space is good for Xubu in "/" partition now? | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | on my newly installed laptop I gave the whole disk except for swap to / | 00:32 |
| pleia2 | no /home partition at all | 00:33 |
| pleia2 | so I don't need to worry about one partition having more space than another and wasting it | 00:33 |
| robin_ | doesn't that prevent me from saving stuff when the next version comes out? | 00:33 |
| pleia2 | reinstalls (rather than upgrading) with the CD is the main reason for a separate /home that I hear people use | 00:33 |
| pleia2 | but I just upgrade | 00:34 |
| pleia2 | no CD, when the box pops up to tell me a new version is out, I upgrade :) | 00:34 |
| robin_ | Might just give Xubu the whole drive... how much swap should I set aside? It's an old dinosaur, 512 of RAM | 00:34 |
| pleia2 | 1G is good | 00:34 |
| robin_ | okay, if I reinstall I'll lose abunch stuff tho, right? Unless I back up? Or can I use G-parted to just give Xubu all but 1 gig of swap? | 00:35 |
| robin_ | not very clear was I... If I resize the existing partitions with the LiveCD, will I lose data? | 00:36 |
| pleia2 | yeah, a reinstall would wipe your whole system | 00:36 |
| pleia2 | it's tricky to resize partitions | 00:36 |
| robin_ | eewwww... too geeky for me, lol | 00:37 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 00:37 |
| robin_ | so much of what I've read in the forums suggests a separate /data partition or a separate /home one | 00:38 |
| pleia2 | yeah, and you can reinstall with a separate /home, but since you're only using 2G of the 54G, maybe a smaller /home :) | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | do you have a /data ? | 00:39 |
| robin_ | Is it possible to resize without reinstalling? | 00:39 |
| robin_ | Nope... I have "/", "swap" and "/" | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's posible | 00:39 |
| robin_ | too geeky for a newbie? | 00:39 |
| pleia2 | not a /data partition, but a /data directory (where do you put your music and stuff?) | 00:39 |
| robin_ | um, it's in "Robin / Music | 00:40 |
| pleia2 | ah ok, so probably in your home directory | 00:40 |
| pleia2 | I actually need to run out | 00:40 |
| robin_ | Thanks for being so nice!! | 00:40 |
| robin_ | I'll expand my geek skillz, lol | 00:41 |
| pleia2 | you're welcome | 00:41 |
| robin_ | G'night, then, I'll try it tomorrow after school. Thanks!! | 00:42 |
| knome | madnick, now it's not too late :P | 10:09 |
| knome | micahg, hey? | 11:09 |
| knome | micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/logo_bigsizes.png | 11:18 |
| knome | micahg, better? | 11:18 |
| ochosi | hi leo-unglaub | 14:40 |
| leo-unglaub | good morning | 14:41 |
| ochosi | morning? i thought you're in my timezone :} | 14:41 |
| leo-unglaub | yes i am...but i just wake up an thought: shit, i am to late for work.. | 14:42 |
| ochosi | hehe | 14:42 |
| ochosi | i see | 14:42 |
| ochosi | actually there's something i wanted to ask you | 14:42 |
| leo-unglaub | sure. go ahead | 14:42 |
| knome | madnick, ? | 14:59 |
| micahg | knome: file not found | 15:19 |
| knome | micahg, ah, sorry | 15:19 |
| knome | micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/logo-lightbg-large.png | 15:20 |
| knome | that would be it | 15:20 |
| micahg | whiskers are better ;) | 15:20 |
| knome | okay good | 15:20 |
| knome | now do you think there is anything i can make the head look more like a mousehead? | 15:21 |
| leo-unglaub | hmm, i have a little problem with some applications like thunderbird, chrome and some others | 15:24 |
| leo-unglaub | the little arrow in the right bottom corner is mission | 15:24 |
| knome | mission? :) | 15:24 |
| leo-unglaub | MISSING | 15:24 |
| leo-unglaub | so it's sometimes very hard to resize the windows | 15:25 |
| leo-unglaub | damn caps lock .. | 15:25 |
| knome | leo-unglaub, alt+rightclick+drag... | 15:25 |
| knome | ochosi, we *REALLY* need that article | 15:25 |
| leo-unglaub | wow, great ! | 15:25 |
| leo-unglaub | thanks! | 15:25 |
| * knome tweeted that | 15:26 | |
| knome | micahg, ?any suggestions? | 15:27 |
| knome | -? | 15:27 |
| ochosi | knome: yeah, i know. it kinda sucks that ubuntu dropped the gtk2 patch for resize-grips | 15:39 |
| knome | any way to revert for xubuntu? | 15:39 |
| ochosi | not really | 15:39 |
| ochosi | it's in gtk2 itself | 15:40 |
| ochosi | as long as we're not the ones maintaining it... | 15:40 |
| ochosi | also: it created problems with quite a few apps (ooffice etc) | 15:40 |
| leo-unglaub | every java based tool if i remember it right | 15:42 |
| leo-unglaub | hmm, maybe you can help me with that to: on gnome2 i had a tool witch allowed me to draw on my screen with my pointer... | 15:46 |
| leo-unglaub | but i don't remember the name, is there something in xfce similar tot that? | 15:46 |
| ochosi | hm, not that i know of | 15:55 |
| ochosi | there was only that (slightly useless) plugin for compiz with which you could draw fire | 15:56 |
| ochosi | but what do you really want to do/achieve? | 15:56 |
| leo-unglaub | i give speeches / key nodes very often | 16:04 |
| leo-unglaub | and if you show simething on the beamer it's very usefull | 16:04 |
| leo-unglaub | if you can mark parts of a website or something if someone has questions | 16:04 |
| ochosi | hm, right | 16:05 |
| knome | madnick, ? | 16:46 |
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| knome | pleia2, hullo! | 18:24 |
| pleia2 | hey knome | 18:24 |
| knome | pleia2, do you know off your head how to block all traffic from a subdomain ? | 18:24 |
| knome | i tried to use dd-wrt for this, but it failed | 18:25 |
| pleia2 | in iptables? | 18:25 |
| knome | whatever works for me | 18:25 |
| knome | except the obvious adblock :PP | 18:26 |
| knome | must be at least computer-wide | 18:26 |
| pleia2 | what's the context? a subdomain going to a webserver? or your desktop ..or? | 18:26 |
| knome | it's a subdomain for a website, yeah | 18:26 |
| knome | i'll PM | 18:27 |
| micahg | knome: apache rewrite based on referral header not working? | 18:27 |
| knome | micahg, i don't own the website | 18:28 |
| micahg | knome: you don't own the from or the to? | 18:28 |
| knome | to | 18:28 |
| knome | i have full access to the clients, but no access to the server | 18:28 |
| knome | well, except read access, otherwise i wouldn't be blocking, right? :P | 18:29 |
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| leo-unglaub | so, i am on my way home... | 19:12 |
| leo-unglaub | see you later | 19:12 |
| knome | see you | 19:12 |
| leo-unglaub | ochosi: i was looking into the parole things | 20:19 |
| leo-unglaub | but i don't find the repos, http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole don't contain the right link | 20:19 |
| micahg | I thought parole was hosted on launchpad | 20:19 |
| leo-unglaub | accorsing to the site http://git.xfce.org/git/apps/parole | 20:20 |
| micahg | leo-unglaub: http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole | 20:21 |
| leo-unglaub | thanks | 20:24 |
| leo-unglaub | ochosi: maybe it's better if you do a mockup | 20:37 |
| leo-unglaub | because otherwize we have to re-do the work to often :) | 20:37 |
| knome | huho, running a syndaemon command killed my mouse - left click didn't work... :P | 22:32 |
| ochosi | leo-unglaub: ok, i'll do that straight away | 22:33 |
| leo-unglaub | thats nice, because some of the things there are in the current source code | 22:33 |
| leo-unglaub | so i don't get mixed up | 22:33 |
| ochosi | sure, give me ~10min | 22:34 |
| ochosi | leo-unglaub: http://imagebin.org/203679 | 22:43 |
| leo-unglaub | oh, what interesting show in there...never head of hear *giggle* | 22:45 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:45 |
| ochosi | i thought you might like that | 22:45 |
| knome | pleia2, pingping!! | 22:46 |
| knome | pleia2, see #xubuntu | 22:46 |
| leo-unglaub | BAZINGA | 22:46 |
| ochosi | leo-unglaub: actually, this should be about it: http://imagebin.org/203682 | 22:50 |
| ochosi | (reworked it again and made it simpler, i don't think the two lines are even necessary | 22:50 |
| ochosi | ) | 22:50 |
| ochosi | i'll watch that episode now if you don't mind, so i'll be back in about 25 | 22:51 |
| leo-unglaub | okay | 22:51 |
| leo-unglaub | have fun | 22:51 |
| ochosi | re | 23:21 |
| ochosi | leo-unglaub: feel free to ping me anytime anything is unclear or you want feedback/testing | 23:22 |
| leo-unglaub | ochosi: yes, i am running the build right now | 23:28 |
| ochosi | cool | 23:30 |
| leo-unglaub | damn | 23:46 |
| ochosi | "damn" as in: damn parole looks far better now? | 23:47 |
| leo-unglaub | upgrading to 12.04 was an error... | 23:47 |
| ochosi | yeah, too early | 23:47 |
| leo-unglaub | this version is still sooo buggggy | 23:47 |
| ochosi | i dunno how an LTS can still be so buggy at beta status | 23:47 |
| leo-unglaub | not even in debian experimental are soo much buggs | 23:48 |
| leo-unglaub | and if you keep in mind that 12.04 is based in a currently stable release | 23:48 |
| ochosi | yeah, canonical has really started stirring things up lately | 23:48 |
| leo-unglaub | they just upgraded some packages... | 23:48 |
| leo-unglaub | yes, sience they try to be like apple, they just build shit | 23:49 |
| leo-unglaub | i mean..look an unity | 23:49 |
| leo-unglaub | or the global menu | 23:49 |
| leo-unglaub | hiding the user menü....so the user has to move the mouse over the complete monitor jsut to see the menu... | 23:49 |
| ochosi | heh, you're in the right channel not to get flamed for that :) | 23:49 |
| leo-unglaub | i still don't get how hat this idea | 23:50 |
| ochosi | yeah... | 23:50 |
| leo-unglaub | i have 3 time 26 zoll monitors...so imagen how much km i did every day | 23:50 |
| micahg | Debian has 500+ developers, Ubuntu has much fewer | 23:50 |
| leo-unglaub | the funny thing is, i was in an irc question hour with the ubuntu founder once.. | 23:50 |
| leo-unglaub | i asked the same question | 23:51 |
| micahg | also, Debian has dedicated package maintainers, Ubuntu does not | 23:51 |
| leo-unglaub | and suddenly i got kicked *g* | 23:51 |
| leo-unglaub | micahg: gut ubuntu ist based on debian to 70% | 23:51 |
| leo-unglaub | gut = but | 23:51 |
| micahg | leo-unglaub: yes, but the 25% difference can potentially break the other 75% (toolchain and such) | 23:52 |
| leo-unglaub | yes | 23:52 |
| leo-unglaub | but no one can explain me how they manage to get the distro after every release so unstable in a couple of days.. | 23:53 |
| micahg | new toolchain lands immediately :) | 23:56 |
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