[00:02] <robin_> Hi! Brand newbie to Linux, just arrived here, trying X-Chat for the first time. And bravely - or foolishly - testing Xubu 12.04 today!
[00:04] <robin_> is anyone here this evening?
[00:04] <pleia2> welcome robin_ :) thanks for testing!
[00:05] <pleia2> I ran some iso tests for installs on Sunday
[00:05] <robin_> I'm not sure I'll be much good as a tester, but I'd love to help! My Xubu has sent four "crash reports" in, so I hope that helps in some way
[00:06] <robin_> The installer balked on the first attempt, but went ahead on the second... updates failed this morning because my "/temp" folder was too full...
[00:06] <pleia2> a "good tester" is someone who uses it and reports bugs when they happen, so it sounds like you're well on your way :)
[00:07] <robin_> didn't know how to empty it, but opened it as root and deleted abuncha stuff to make room for the updates. 
[00:07] <robin_> Oh, so the "automatic report" thingy is actually sending a bug report?
[00:08] <robin_> updates worked after that... is that a bug?
[00:08] <pleia2> I think so
[00:08] <pleia2> not sure if that's a bug, when you installed did you set up the partitions yourself, or just let it put everything together?
[00:09] <robin_> I inherited an old Dell with Xubu Lucid on it. The new installer offered an "upgrade," so I assume it left the existing partitions intact
[00:09] <pleia2> packages should end up in /var/cache/apt/archive/ and if /var fills up then you do end up having problems
[00:09] <pleia2> err archives/
[00:10] <pleia2> so that's probably what happened
[00:10] <robin_> "/" is 20 gb, "/swap" is 1 gig (twice my RAM), and "/home" has the rest of the drive.  Um, at least it WAS set up that way when it had Lucid
[00:11] <pleia2> so in that case /var would be in /, I could see that filling up
[00:11] <robin_> Okay, so when I emptied the trash and deleted all that stuff from /temp, did that really fix it or should I keep looking?
[00:12] <pleia2> robin_: if you go to System > System Monitor
[00:12] <pleia2> you can click on the "File Systems" tab and see how much space you have
[00:13] <pleia2> if "/" is a high percentage, you may run into problems in the future again
[00:13] <robin_> Um, I don't have a System icon... is it in the right-click menu?
[00:13] <pleia2> yeah, in the right click menu
[00:14] <pleia2> sorry
[00:15] <robin_> nope. LOL how do I find System Monitor from the right-click menu? Got abuncha leftover settings from the previous owner (set up on Xubu Lucid)
[00:16] <pleia2> do you have a "System" section of the right click menu?
[00:16] <pleia2> oh right, by default it's Right Click and then maybe Applications
[00:16] <robin_> scrolling all the way thru all the options, don't see system monitor among the choices
[00:16]  * pleia2 checks her other system
[00:16] <pleia2> yes, that's it
[00:17] <pleia2> right click, Applications > System > System Monitor
[00:17] <pleia2> (Applications should be at the bottom of the menu)
[00:18] <robin_> Right Click > Applications > System > synaptic, gigalo, other stuff listed, no system monitor
[00:18] <pleia2> huh, maybe it's something I installed somewhere along the way
[00:18] <pleia2> how about this, open a terminal and type: df -h
[00:18] <robin_> lol, I should open synaptic and look for "system monitor" then?
[00:18] <pleia2> nah, I was actually just suggesting to use that because it would be easier
[00:19] <pleia2> not easier if it's not installed!
[00:19] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ df -h
[00:19] <robin_> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:19] <robin_> /dev/sda2        19G   18G  8.0K 100% /
[00:19] <robin_> udev            240M  4.0K  240M   1% /dev
[00:19] <robin_> tmpfs            99M  772K   99M   1% /run
[00:19] <robin_> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[00:19] <robin_> none            247M   80K  247M   1% /run/shm
[00:19] <robin_> /dev/sda3        54G  1.8G   50G   4% /home
[00:19] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ 
[00:19] <pleia2> there's your trouble :(
[00:19] <pleia2> is completely full
[00:19] <pleia2> err /
[00:19] <robin_> omygoodness....
[00:20] <robin_> that's alot of stuff! what'll I do?
[00:20] <pleia2> you can look around your system and see if there are applications you don't want and uninstall them
[00:20] <pleia2> also do: sudo apt-get clean
[00:20] <pleia2> that will remove old packages that you downloaded (they are already installed, the package files are just hanging around)
[00:20] <robin_> AFTER I remove stuff I don't use, right?
[00:20] <pleia2> clean usually frees up a little space
[00:21] <pleia2> you can do it first, it doesn't uninstall anything
[00:21] <robin_> okay, here goes
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ sudo apt-get clean
[00:22] <robin_> [sudo] password for robin: 
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ 
[00:22] <pleia2> now do df -h again
[00:22] <robin_> did it do anything? (I entered my password)
[00:22] <pleia2> see if it's still 100, or if Avail has changed anything
[00:22] <pleia2> yes, if it is quiet then it did it's job without err :)
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ df -h
[00:22] <robin_> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[00:22] <robin_> /dev/sda2        19G   18G  160M 100% /
[00:22] <robin_> udev            240M  4.0K  240M   1% /dev
[00:22] <robin_> tmpfs            99M  772K   99M   1% /run
[00:22] <robin_> none            5.0M     0  5.0M   0% /run/lock
[00:22] <robin_> none            247M   80K  247M   1% /run/shm
[00:22] <robin_> /dev/sda3        54G  1.8G   50G   4% /home
[00:22] <robin_> robin@robin-Dell-DE051:~$ 
[00:22] <pleia2> there, you went from 8.0K to 160M available
[00:23] <pleia2> which is a little space :)
[00:23] <robin_> gained a few there, lol
[00:23] <robin_> Got an 80-gb drive is all, too little for Xubu?
[00:24] <pleia2> my / is 12G which is on the small side
[00:24] <pleia2> you probably have a lot of applications installed, which is fine, but you may want a larger / partition if you want that
[00:24] <pleia2> your home directory has 54 gigs, and you're only use 2 of them
[00:24] <pleia2> so I'd resize home, and give some of that space to /
[00:25] <pleia2> (this can be done from a livecd just gparted)
[00:25] <pleia2> s/just/using
[00:25] <robin_> so i should change my partition scheme, make more room for Xubu then
[00:25] <pleia2> yeah
[00:26] <robin_> If I boot from the LiveCD, doesn't it make me reinstall Xubu from scratch again?
[00:26] <pleia2> you don't need to run the installer at all, you can just use the LiveCD to run the gparted application
[00:26] <robin_> Or do I "run" the LiveCD from an already-running Xubu session?
[00:27] <pleia2> I haven't actually done this with the graphical tools, looking up docs now
[00:28] <pleia2> but you would reboot your computer, and boot with the LiveCD in to "Try Xubuntu"
[00:28] <robin_> so I don't BOOT from the LiveCD, I just run it from say, the file manager. Is that correct?
[00:28] <robin_> sorry, lag
[00:28] <pleia2> oh wait, this is harder than I thought
[00:28] <pleia2> I forgot that I use LVM, so all this is easy
[00:29] <robin_> lol it's great that you're helping me!
[00:29] <robin_> a newbie has no business testing anywayz, lol
[00:29] <pleia2> oh no, we need newbies testing!
[00:30] <robin_> OH! Wow, really!?!?
[00:30] <pleia2> instead of doing all this, I'd just uninstall applications you don't use and try to get by with the existing partitions
[00:30] <pleia2> if you ever want to back up your data and reinstall, I'd put everything into one partition (rather than having a separate /home)
[00:31] <robin_> omygosh... i was thinking of throwing LibreOffice on
[00:31] <robin_> for school I need more than just the Abiword and Gnumeric
[00:31]  * pleia2 nods
[00:31] <pleia2> you say this came with lucid?
[00:31] <robin_> yes ma'am or sir
[00:31] <pleia2> 20G was more back in the lucid days :) but that's 4 years ago now
[00:31] <robin_> it's really old... a hand-me-down
[00:31] <pleia2> (and ma'am, thank you :))
[00:32] <robin_> how much space is good for Xubu in "/" partition now?
[00:32] <pleia2> on my newly installed laptop I gave the whole disk except for swap to /
[00:33] <pleia2> no /home partition at all
[00:33] <pleia2> so I don't need to worry about one partition having more space than another and wasting it
[00:33] <robin_> doesn't that prevent me from saving stuff when the next version comes out?
[00:33] <pleia2> reinstalls (rather than upgrading) with the CD is the main reason for a separate /home that I hear people use
[00:34] <pleia2> but I just upgrade
[00:34] <pleia2> no CD, when the box pops up to tell me a new version is out, I upgrade :)
[00:34] <robin_> Might just give Xubu the whole drive... how much swap should I set aside? It's an old dinosaur, 512 of RAM
[00:34] <pleia2> 1G is good
[00:35] <robin_> okay, if I reinstall I'll lose abunch stuff tho, right? Unless I back up? Or can I use G-parted to just give Xubu all but 1 gig of swap?
[00:36] <robin_> not very clear was I... If I resize the existing partitions with the LiveCD, will I lose data?
[00:36] <pleia2> yeah, a reinstall would wipe your whole system
[00:36] <pleia2> it's tricky to resize partitions
[00:37] <robin_> eewwww... too geeky for me, lol
[00:37] <pleia2> hehe
[00:38] <robin_> so much of what I've read in the forums suggests a separate /data partition or a separate /home one
[00:39] <pleia2> yeah, and you can reinstall with a separate /home, but since you're only using 2G of the 54G, maybe a smaller /home :)
[00:39] <pleia2> do you have a /data ?
[00:39] <robin_> Is it possible to resize without reinstalling?
[00:39] <robin_> Nope... I have "/", "swap" and "/"
[00:39] <pleia2> yeah, it's posible
[00:39] <robin_> too geeky for a newbie?
[00:39] <pleia2> not a /data partition, but a /data directory (where do you put your music and stuff?)
[00:40] <robin_> um, it's in "Robin / Music
[00:40] <pleia2> ah ok, so probably in your home directory
[00:40] <pleia2> I actually need to run out
[00:40] <robin_> Thanks for being so nice!!
[00:41] <robin_> I'll expand my geek skillz, lol
[00:41] <pleia2> you're welcome
[00:42] <robin_> G'night, then, I'll try it tomorrow after school. Thanks!!
[10:09] <knome> madnick, now it's not too late :P
[11:09] <knome> micahg, hey?
[11:18] <knome> micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/logo_bigsizes.png
[11:18] <knome> micahg, better?
[14:40] <ochosi> hi leo-unglaub 
[14:41] <leo-unglaub> good morning
[14:41] <ochosi> morning? i thought you're in my timezone :}
[14:42] <leo-unglaub> yes i am...but i just wake up an thought: shit, i am to late for work..
[14:42] <ochosi> hehe
[14:42] <ochosi> i see
[14:42] <ochosi> actually there's something i wanted to ask you
[14:42] <leo-unglaub> sure. go ahead
[14:59] <knome> madnick, ?
[15:19] <micahg> knome: ‎file not found
[15:19] <knome> micahg, ah, sorry
[15:20] <knome> micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_logo/logo-lightbg-large.png
[15:20] <knome> that would be it
[15:20] <micahg> whiskers are better ;)
[15:20] <knome> okay good
[15:21] <knome> now do you think there is anything i can make the head look more like a mousehead?
[15:24] <leo-unglaub> hmm, i have a little problem with some applications like thunderbird, chrome and some others
[15:24] <leo-unglaub> the little arrow in the right bottom corner is mission
[15:24] <knome> mission? :)
[15:24] <leo-unglaub> MISSING
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> so it's sometimes very hard to resize the windows
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> damn caps lock ..
[15:25] <knome> leo-unglaub, alt+rightclick+drag...
[15:25] <knome> ochosi, we *REALLY* need that article
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> wow, great !
[15:25] <leo-unglaub> thanks!
[15:26]  * knome tweeted that
[15:27] <knome> micahg, ?any suggestions?
[15:27] <knome> -?
[15:39] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i know. it kinda sucks that ubuntu dropped the gtk2 patch for resize-grips
[15:39] <knome> any way to revert for xubuntu?
[15:39] <ochosi> not really
[15:40] <ochosi> it's in gtk2 itself
[15:40] <ochosi> as long as we're not the ones maintaining it...
[15:40] <ochosi> also: it created problems with quite a few apps (ooffice etc)
[15:42] <leo-unglaub> every java based tool if i remember it right
[15:46] <leo-unglaub> hmm, maybe you can help me with that to: on gnome2 i had a tool witch allowed me to draw on my screen with my pointer...
[15:46] <leo-unglaub> but i don't remember the name, is there something in xfce similar tot that?
[15:55] <ochosi> hm, not that i know of
[15:56] <ochosi> there was only that (slightly useless) plugin for compiz with which you could draw fire
[15:56] <ochosi> but what do you really want to do/achieve?
[16:04] <leo-unglaub> i give speeches / key nodes very often
[16:04] <leo-unglaub> and if you show simething on the beamer it's very usefull
[16:04] <leo-unglaub> if you can mark parts of a website or something if someone has questions
[16:05] <ochosi> hm, right
[16:46] <knome> madnick, ?
[18:24] <knome> pleia2, hullo!
[18:24] <pleia2> hey knome 
[18:24] <knome> pleia2, do you know off your head how to block all traffic from a subdomain ?
[18:25] <knome> i tried to use dd-wrt for this, but it failed
[18:25] <pleia2> in iptables?
[18:25] <knome> whatever works for me
[18:26] <knome> except the obvious adblock :PP
[18:26] <knome> must be at least computer-wide
[18:26] <pleia2> what's the context? a subdomain going to a webserver? or your desktop ..or?
[18:26] <knome> it's a subdomain for a website, yeah
[18:27] <knome> i'll PM
[18:27] <micahg> knome: apache rewrite based on referral header not working?
[18:28] <knome> micahg, i don't own the website
[18:28] <micahg> knome: you don't own the from or the to?
[18:28] <knome> to
[18:28] <knome> i have full access to the clients, but no access to the server
[18:29] <knome> well, except read access, otherwise i wouldn't be blocking, right? :P
[19:12] <leo-unglaub> so, i am on my way home...
[19:12] <leo-unglaub> see you later
[19:12] <knome> see you
[20:19] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: i was looking into the parole things
[20:19] <leo-unglaub> but i don't find the repos, http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole don't contain the right link
[20:19] <micahg> I thought parole was hosted on launchpad
[20:20] <leo-unglaub> accorsing to the site http://git.xfce.org/git/apps/parole
[20:21] <micahg> leo-unglaub: http://git.xfce.org/apps/parole
[20:24] <leo-unglaub> thanks
[20:37] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: maybe it's better if you do a mockup
[20:37] <leo-unglaub> because otherwize we have to re-do the work to often :)
[22:32] <knome> huho, running a syndaemon command killed my mouse - left click didn't work... :P
[22:33] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: ok, i'll do that straight away
[22:33] <leo-unglaub> thats nice, because some of the things there are in the current source code
[22:33] <leo-unglaub> so i don't get mixed up
[22:34] <ochosi> sure, give me ~10min
[22:43] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: http://imagebin.org/203679
[22:45] <leo-unglaub> oh, what interesting show in there...never head of hear *giggle*
[22:45] <ochosi> :)
[22:45] <ochosi> i thought you might like that
[22:46] <knome> pleia2, pingping!!
[22:46] <knome> pleia2, see #xubuntu
[22:46] <leo-unglaub> BAZINGA
[22:50] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: actually, this should be about it: http://imagebin.org/203682
[22:50] <ochosi> (reworked it again and made it simpler, i don't think the two lines are even necessary
[22:50] <ochosi> )
[22:51] <ochosi> i'll watch that episode now if you don't mind, so i'll be back in about 25
[22:51] <leo-unglaub> okay
[22:51] <leo-unglaub> have fun
[23:21] <ochosi> re
[23:22] <ochosi> leo-unglaub: feel free to ping me anytime anything is unclear or you want feedback/testing
[23:28] <leo-unglaub> ochosi: yes, i am running the build right now
[23:30] <ochosi> cool
[23:46] <leo-unglaub> damn
[23:47] <ochosi> "damn" as in: damn parole looks far better now?
[23:47] <leo-unglaub> upgrading to 12.04 was an error...
[23:47] <ochosi> yeah, too early
[23:47] <leo-unglaub> this version is still sooo buggggy
[23:47] <ochosi> i dunno how an LTS can still be so buggy at beta status
[23:48] <leo-unglaub> not even in debian experimental are soo much buggs
[23:48] <leo-unglaub> and if you keep in mind that 12.04 is based in a currently stable release
[23:48] <ochosi> yeah, canonical has really started stirring things up lately
[23:48] <leo-unglaub> they just upgraded some packages...
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> yes, sience they try to be like apple, they just build shit
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> i mean..look an unity
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> or the global menu
[23:49] <leo-unglaub> hiding the user menü....so the user has to move the mouse over the complete monitor jsut to see the menu...
[23:49] <ochosi> heh, you're in the right channel not to get flamed for that :)
[23:50] <leo-unglaub> i still don't get how hat this idea
[23:50] <ochosi> yeah...
[23:50] <leo-unglaub> i have 3 time 26 zoll monitors...so imagen how much km i did every day
[23:50] <micahg> Debian has 500+ developers, Ubuntu has much fewer
[23:50] <leo-unglaub> the funny thing is, i was in an irc question hour with the ubuntu founder once..
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> i asked the same question
[23:51] <micahg> also, Debian has dedicated package maintainers, Ubuntu does not
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> and suddenly i got kicked *g*
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> micahg: gut ubuntu ist based on debian to 70% 
[23:51] <leo-unglaub> gut = but
[23:52] <micahg> leo-unglaub: yes, but the 25% difference can potentially break the other 75% (toolchain and such)
[23:52] <leo-unglaub> yes
[23:53] <leo-unglaub> but no one can explain me how they manage to get the distro after every release so unstable in a couple of days..
[23:56] <micahg> new toolchain lands immediately :)