[00:00] <cyphermox> welcome all; we're just about ready to start I think
[00:00]  * vibhav hands everybody popcorn
[00:00]  * hggdh waits for bladernr_ presentation
[00:01] <cyphermox> wendar: hey. wow, I thought you already had membership.
[00:01] <ajmitch> chrisccoulson: that's what I thought as well
[00:01] <cyphermox> ajmitch: oops?
[00:01] <ajmitch> bah, s/chriscoulson/cyphermox/
[00:01] <ajmitch> yeah, oops
[00:01] <wendar> cyphermox: :)
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> ajmitch, YOU WOKE ME UP!!!!!!!!
[00:02] <ajmitch> need more caffeine, I was here to support wendar's application :)
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> :-)
[00:02] <ajmitch> chrisccoulson: like you ever sleep :)
[00:02] <chrisccoulson> heh
[00:03] <vibhav> I need coffee too
[00:03] <ChrisGagnon> o!
[00:04]  * bladernr_ waves
[00:04] <jrgifford> ajmitch: you're a horrible person for waking up someone. ;)
[00:04] <ajmitch> jrgifford: I know
[00:05] <Pendulum> Sorry, we're just having an administrative moment ;-)
[00:05] <Pendulum> #startmeeting
[00:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Mar 16 00:05:24 2012 UTC.  The chair is Pendulum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[00:06] <Pendulum> #voters pleia2 greg-g Pendulum beuno cyphermox
[00:06] <meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox greg-g pleia2
[00:06] <Pendulum> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board for the Americas meeting for March 15, 2012. The wiki page for the Review Board is available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas
[00:06] <Pendulum> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[00:06] <Pendulum> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[00:06] <Pendulum> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[00:06] <Pendulum> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[00:07] <Pendulum> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the sum of those numbers is positive, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[00:07] <Pendulum> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[00:07] <Pendulum> It looks like caravena isn't here
[00:07] <Pendulum> bladernr_: are you here?
[00:07] <bladernr_> Yep
[00:08] <Pendulum> great!
[00:08] <bladernr_> Hi :)
[00:08]  * hggdh cheers for bladernr_
[00:08] <bladernr_> ready?
[00:08] <Pendulum> #topic Application of bladernr_ for Membership
[00:08] <greg-g> please introduce yourself :)
[00:08] <bladernr_> Hi, I'm Jeff.  I've been a linux user since the mid-90s, and ubuntu since 8.04.  I currently do a lot of filing, triaging and resolving bugs that involve Checkbox and subsequently the Ubuntu Friendly program.  I'm also one of the Checkbox developers and write patches and test scripts for that. I focus a lot on testing Ubuntu on server hardware and writing test cases for servers.  I've led several sessions and UDS over
[00:08] <bladernr_> the last couple years relating to certificaiton and server interests.  I also like to help out with QA, especially with ISO testing, filing bugs related to that effort and trying to make Ubuntu better for users.  I try to view things from the viewpoint of the first time Linux user when I test.  I tend to stick more to mailing lists than forums just because keeping up with forums can quickly get out of control! I  previ
[00:08] <bladernr_> ously taught Intro to Linux at the local Community College as a way to give back to the community, and I always gave my students Ubuntu CDs to use.o/ I'm also a Ham and a member of Ubuntu Hams and doing testing and such with Ubuntu on ARM.
[00:08] <bladernr_> Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeffLaneyes
[00:08] <bladernr_> :)
[00:08] <pleia2> "That Guy Who Forced a Respin of Lucid on Release Day" hah! :D
[00:09] <bladernr_> that should have been https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeffLane sorry for the borked link
[00:09]  * hggdh remembers this episode
[00:09] <pleia2> this past weekend I did my first iso testing *and* bought a laptop partially based off a good score on Ubuntu Friendly :)
[00:09] <bladernr_> yay!
[00:10] <bladernr_> I like community review sites like that.  I used to live off linux-laptops.net when it was regularly updated.
[00:10] <bladernr_> I'm glad people find UF useful
[00:11]  * skaet appreciates his ISO testing work too. :)
[00:11] <bladernr_> skaet, thanks :) it's fun... I like breaking things
[00:11] <pleia2> thanks for having such a thorough wiki page!
[00:11] <pleia2> I don't really have any questions
[00:12] <greg-g> me neither, good wiki page :)
[00:12] <greg-g> took me a while to scan it all :)
[00:12] <bladernr_> Thangs pleia2, greg-g I usually worry about being too verbose
[00:12] <bladernr_> I tend to be set on -vvv
[00:12] <pleia2> hehe
[00:12] <greg-g> bladernr_: I'm a fan of verbose, I was an Anthropology undergrad ;)
[00:12] <greg-g> (which means I read way too many overly verbose explanations of things)
[00:13] <Pendulum> okay, I think we're ready to vote now
[00:14] <Pendulum> #voters elky greg-g pleia2 Pendulum cyphermox
[00:14] <meetingology> Current voters: Pendulum beuno cyphermox elky greg-g pleia2
[00:14] <pleia2> +1
[00:14] <pleia2> oh
[00:14] <pleia2> hehe
[00:14] <Pendulum> pleia2: haven't started the vote yet :P
[00:14] <Pendulum> #vote Vote on Membership for Jeff Lane
[00:14] <meetingology> Please vote on: Vote on Membership for Jeff Lane
[00:14] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:14] <Pendulum> +1
[00:14] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:14] <greg-g> +1
[00:14] <meetingology> +1 received from greg-g
[00:14] <elky> +1
[00:14] <meetingology> +1 received from elky
[00:15] <elky> ooh i wonder what pleia2 will choose
[00:15] <pleia2> +1
[00:15] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:15] <elky> :P
[00:15] <pleia2> I got excited
[00:15] <pleia2> hehe
[00:15] <cyphermox> +1
[00:15] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:15] <Pendulum> #endvote
[00:15] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Vote on Membership for Jeff Lane
[00:15] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:15] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:16] <Pendulum> Congratulations bladernr_!
[00:16] <hggdh> GO bladernr_ !!!
[00:16] <bladernr_> woot!  Thanks everyone! I don't remember being this nervous, at least not in a long time
[00:16] <bladernr_> :)
[00:16] <cyphermox> bladernr_: there was no reason for it :)
[00:16] <cyphermox> bladernr_: don't forget to add your blog to planet if you have one :)
[00:17] <Pendulum> okay, moving on since we have quite a few applicants
[00:17] <pleia2> welcome bladernr_ :)
[00:17] <Pendulum> It looks like fitoschido isn't here
[00:17] <Pendulum> skellat: are you here?
[00:17] <skellat> Here
[00:17] <Pendulum> #topic Stephen Kellat for Membership
[00:17] <jrgifford> YAY SKELLAT! :D
[00:17] <skellat> Hello, my name is Stephen Michael Kellat and I am the Head Writer at Erie Looking Productions.
[00:17] <skellat> I produce the weekly podcast for the Ohio LoCo and try to serve as a resource within the LoCo for experience with more exotic architectures like the SheevaPlug and BeagleBoard.
[00:18] <skellat> I am also fairly active on my LoCo's e-mail list and have not had luck with efforts to reinvigorate our forum presence.
[00:18] <skellat> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/skellat
[00:18] <jrgifford> And he's a active Ohio LoCo guy. :)
[00:18] <Unit193> Harder for him as well since he's out in the middle of nowhere.
[00:18] <pleia2> skellat: ooh, can I lure you over to doing some Xubuntu ISO testing before our beta2? :)
[00:19] <skellat> pleia2: Quite possibly now that I've got a chip I can swap for the current one.  My BeagleBoard is on Xubuntu 11.10 as is.
[00:19] <skellat> Unit193: Ashtabula isn't the middle of nowhere.  It's just the extreme outer fringe geographically of the State of Ohio. :-)
[00:20] <jrgifford> skellat, Unit193: Same difference ;)
[00:21] <skellat> jrgifford: What can I say?  We've got a big state and LoCo members who are very far flung throughout it.
[00:21] <Unit193> (Going off member placement map)
[00:21] <greg-g> skellat: just wondering why there aren't any testimonials on your wiki? I know Ohio is hard place for people, but.. ;)
[00:21] <jrgifford> OH dangit, did I forget to write mine in?! crap.
[00:21] <skellat> greg-g: jrgifford and unit193 chose to attend in-person tonight
[00:21]  * greg-g nods
[00:21] <Unit193> Yes it did.
[00:22] <Pendulum> skellat: How often does the podcast come out? (there aren't dates on the episodes)
[00:23] <skellat> Normally weekly.  There was a death in the family Sunday and my day job had an all-night work event so there isn't an episode for the 12th.
[00:23] <jrgifford> consider my presence a testimonial please. :) He's been doing stuff in the loco, is active on the mailing list and is a friendly guy.
[00:23] <greg-g> thanks jrgifford :)
[00:23] <skellat> When paultag and I first set up the podcast posting form on the team's drupal site we didn't choose to go with dates but instead episode numbers.
[00:23] <skellat> Unlike Ubuntu UK's program, we don't have it divided into seasons
[00:24]  * greg-g nods
[00:25] <skellat> Pendulum: We've had multiple calls for feedback from around the state to air.  If I get it, it airs.  With everybody spread out so much it gets a bit hard planning out shows.
[00:27]  * jokerdino joins the meeting, without much purpose and reason though.
[00:29] <Pendulum> okay, we're ready to vote
[00:29] <Pendulum> #vote Vote on Stephen Kellat for Membership
[00:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: Vote on Stephen Kellat for Membership
[00:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:29] <greg-g> +1
[00:29] <meetingology> +1 received from greg-g
[00:29] <Pendulum> +1
[00:29] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:30] <elky> +1
[00:30] <meetingology> +1 received from elky
[00:30] <pleia2> +`
[00:30] <pleia2> +1
[00:30] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[00:30] <pleia2> phone :)
[00:31] <cyphermox> +1
[00:31] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:31] <Pendulum> #endvote
[00:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Vote on Stephen Kellat for Membership
[00:31] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:31] <jokerdino> congrats skellat !
[00:31] <Pendulum> Congratulations and welcome, skellat!
[00:31] <jrgifford> congrats skellat !
[00:31] <skellat> I thank the board for their vote in favor tonight.
[00:31] <Unit193> Congrats, skellat!!
[00:31] <skellat> Pendulum jrgifford Unit193 jokerdino Thank you for the congratulations
[00:31] <Pendulum> Next up is wendar
[00:32] <wendar> here
[00:32] <Pendulum> #topic Allison Rnadal for Membership
[00:32] <Pendulum> wendar: please introduce yourself
[00:32] <wendar> Hi, Allison here. I'm a C and dynamic language (Python, Perl, Ruby, etc) developer. I've been involved in Ubuntu since 2005, and my first UDS was 2006 in Mountain View. I work on packaging, architecture, and healthy relations between volunteers, employees, upstreams, and downstreams.
[00:32] <wendar> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AllisonRandal
[00:33] <greg-g> wendar: as a side note: Thanks for your cat herding with the Harmony Agreements drafting process :)
[00:33] <Pendulum> wendar: I apologize for misspelling your name in the topic just now.
[00:34] <ajmitch> it seems to be a common theme that people are surprised that wendar isn't a member already
[00:34] <wendar> greg-g: glad to help :)
[00:34] <wendar> Pendulum: no worries
[00:34] <greg-g> wendar: I don't really have any substantial questions un/fortunately
[00:34] <greg-g> :)
[00:35]  * stgraber waves and highly recommends a +1 for wendar 
[00:35] <Pendulum> wendar: What's your favourite thing to do outside of your tech work?
[00:36]  * skaet waves and echoes stgraber's +1  ;)
[00:36] <wendar> Pendulum: Hmmm... it's a toss up between watching English mysteries, baking gluten-free tasty treats, and astrophysics.
[00:36]  * ajmitch has already put his +1 on the wiki :)
[00:37] <elky> Baking and astrophysics. I think you just won The Internet.
[00:37] <greg-g> hah
[00:37] <wendar> elky: heh :)
[00:41] <Pendulum> #vote Vote on Allison Randal for Membership
[00:41] <meetingology> Please vote on: Vote on Allison Randal for Membership
[00:41] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[00:41] <Pendulum> +1
[00:41] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[00:41] <greg-g> +1
[00:41] <meetingology> +1 received from greg-g
[00:41] <elky> +1
[00:41] <cyphermox> +1
[00:41] <meetingology> +1 received from elky
[00:41] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[00:42] <Pendulum> #endvote
[00:42] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Vote on Allison Randal for Membership
[00:42] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[00:42] <meetingology> Motion carried
[00:42] <elky> yay!
[00:42] <Pendulum> wendar: Congratualtions and welcome!
[00:42] <wendar> thanks all! :)
[00:42] <jokerdino> congrats wendar !
[00:42] <cyphermox> congrats wendar
[00:42] <ajmitch> wendar: congratulations
[00:43]  * jokerdino goes off to grab something for breakfast.
[00:43] <Pendulum> vibhav: are you here?
[00:43] <vibhav> yes
[00:43] <JoseeAntonioR> Congratularions, wendar!
[00:43] <skaet> wendar, congratulations!  :)
[00:44] <greg-g> congrats indeed!
[00:44] <Pendulum> #topic Membership for Vibhav Pant
[00:44] <greg-g> (and sorry for the delay)
[00:44] <Pendulum> vibhav: please introduce yourself
[00:44] <vibhav> ok
[00:44] <vibhav> Hi everybody, I am Vibhav Pant, a 14 year old padwan living in Dehradun, India
[00:45] <vibhav> I have been using Ubuntu since 6.10, but got the hang of Ubuntu from 7.04
[00:45] <stgraber> wendar: congrats
[00:45] <vibhav> I have been translating Ubuntu to Hindi for the past 6 months and have recently started traanslation for en_GB
[00:45] <vibhav> (but thats simply cupy paste)
[00:45] <vibhav> copy*
[00:46] <vibhav> I have collaborated with fellow Hindi Translators to start a translation Drive to rectify common translation errors and got massive response
[00:47] <vibhav> We are also working on improving the Wiki page and creating a list of replacemnet words for Hindi
[00:47] <vibhav> Which can be seen on my Wiki Page
[00:47] <vibhav> Apart from Translation
[00:48] <vibhav> I fix small few bugs (typos and bugs fixed upstream but not brought into Ubuntu)
[00:49] <vibhav> I also work on "Needs Packaging" and RFP bugs in Ubuntu\Debian and often package software that seems interesting to me
[00:49] <vibhav> I have converted 6 friends to Ubuntu
[00:49] <vibhav> and 1 of them uses it exclusively
[00:49] <pangolin> Is this translation drive documented anywhere?
[00:49] <vibhav> Mailing List
[00:50] <pangolin> Could you link to it please?
[00:50] <vibhav> sure
[00:51] <vibhav> lemme see
[00:51] <vibhav> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-l10n-hi/msg0003
[00:51] <elky> Well, en -> en translations are more than copy/paste. Trash/Garbage, Color/Colour, etc...
[00:52] <vibhav> yes
[00:52] <vibhav> I forgot to mention that though
[00:52] <greg-g> hmmm, that link doesn't work for me
[00:52] <vibhav> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-l10n-hi/msg00031.html
[00:52] <vibhav> I also test pre-release ISOs on Ubuntu for Papercuts and bugs
[00:53] <vibhav> And try to fix them if they are easy
[00:53] <vibhav> https://docs.google.com/document/d/14jM_vGDcBbio7ITwY_Q7JNW15eO5vrzjDWafnjehDns/edit
[00:54] <vibhav> ^ are replacement words
[00:54] <vibhav> I am currently learning python, which I would use for Ubuntu Development sooner
[00:54] <vibhav> I am also working to be a MOTU
[00:55] <cyphermox> vibhav: can you tell me more about what you've done for that?
[00:56] <cyphermox> for instance, who you've worked with, packages you've touched; very briefly, since we're not really here to give membership based on development work :)
[00:56] <vibhav> I know
[00:57] <vibhav> I have packaged shc, unity-lens-bliss and indicators which are waiting approval in Debian\REVU
[00:57] <vibhav> I am currently working on packaging ecere and sending it to Debian
[00:58] <cyphermox> have you worked with anybody on this so far or has it been mostly on your own?
[00:58] <vibhav> dholbach
[00:58] <vibhav> and tumbleweed
[00:59] <cyphermox> good
[00:59] <vibhav> But I am focusing more on fixing bugs than translating softwareb :)
[01:01] <vibhav> I meant packaging software and not translating it
[01:01] <pangolin> vibhav, Why do you want to be an Ubuntu member?
[01:01] <vibhav> It feels nice to be recognized memeber of the community
[01:02] <Pendulum> vibhav: While we recognize that you've done quite a bit of translations work, if you can wait a little longer, a few months maybe to build up your experience and community work, please come back then. And, of course, if you're planning on going for MOTU that may be a more appropriate path to membership.
[01:03] <vibhav> experience in terms of?
[01:03] <greg-g> vibhav: if you have any questions about this, please feel free to email Ubuntu-membership-boards@lists.ubuntu.com
[01:03] <elky> Knowing your limits is kind of important, too. Needing to keep a member banned from #ubuntu to stop them trying to give tech support is really not something we want to have to do.
[01:03] <greg-g> that goes to all membership review board members for all regions, just fyi
[01:04] <vibhav> But didn't I collaborate (As I was said to do earlier)?
[01:05] <greg-g> vibhav: thank you for listening to our advice, but we feel you should wait a while longer and work with people a little more closely. Again, if you have any questions, feel free to email us after the meeting
[01:05] <Pendulum> okay, moving on
[01:05] <Pendulum> ChrisGagnon: are you here?
[01:05] <ChrisGagnon> Pendulum: hi
[01:05] <pangolin> vibhav, I am encouraged by your interest in packaging and bug fixing, you sought out the help of great people like dholbach and tumbleweed. i still believe you need to work longer. this is my personal opinion, but I do look forwrd to the day I can attend a meeting and give the board my +1 for your membership. Please keep up the good work.
[01:05] <Pendulum> #topic Chris Gagnon for Membership
[01:05] <Pendulum> ChrisGagnon: Please introduce yourself
[01:06] <ChrisGagnon> ork for Canonical as a QA engineer in the mainstream group.
[01:06] <ChrisGagnon> oops
[01:06] <ChrisGagnon> I work for Canonical as a QA engineer in the mainstream group.
[01:06] <ChrisGagnon> Started using Linux in 1998. My linux progression went from Redhat -> Mandrake -> Gentoo -> Ubuntu. I started using Kubuntu in 2006 and regular Ubuntu starting with 11.04, because I like unity-2d.
[01:06] <greg-g> "mainstream"?
[01:07] <ChrisGagnon> It's part of the professional services engineering group
[01:07] <greg-g> gotcha
[01:07] <greg-g> I just thought Ubuntu was already "mainstream" :)
[01:07] <ChrisGagnon> hah it is
[01:08] <ChrisGagnon> :)
[01:08] <greg-g> so, the only one in your loco's irc channel, eh?
[01:08] <ChrisGagnon> I don't know how they came up with the name
[01:08] <ChrisGagnon> right now, I have people drop by every now and then, but no one is on every day.
[01:09]  * greg-g nods
[01:09] <ChrisGagnon> irc is not popular in NH I think
[01:09] <greg-g> is the NH team more active in other venues? (I hope) :)
[01:09] <ChrisGagnon> It's been dead for a while and I am trying to revive it
[01:10] <greg-g> cool, thanks for doing that
[01:10] <ChrisGagnon> I had 8 people at the global jam last month
[01:10] <ChrisGagnon> I think I will have more during the precise release party.
[01:10] <greg-g> awesome, 8 ain't bad, really
[01:11] <ChrisGagnon> my wiki link is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisGagnon
[01:17] <Pendulum> okay, I think we're ready to vote
[01:17] <Pendulum> #vote Chris Gagnon for Ubuntu Membership
[01:17] <meetingology> Please vote on: Chris Gagnon for Ubuntu Membership
[01:17] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[01:17] <Pendulum> +1
[01:17] <meetingology> +1 received from Pendulum
[01:17] <greg-g> +1
[01:17] <meetingology> +1 received from greg-g
[01:17] <elky> +1
[01:17] <meetingology> +1 received from elky
[01:18] <elky> and i have to go, bye
[01:18] <greg-g> We're waiting for one other board member to vote, but they wen't AFK for a minute
[01:18] <greg-g> Unfortunately, that means this is the end of the meeting, sorry utlemming
[01:19] <greg-g> "wen't"? I must be hungry.
[01:19]  * jokerdino is back
[01:19] <cyphermox> +1
[01:19] <meetingology> +1 received from cyphermox
[01:19] <Pendulum> #endvote
[01:19] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Chris Gagnon for Ubuntu Membership
[01:19] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[01:19] <meetingology> Motion carried
[01:20] <Pendulum> ChrisGagnon: Congratulations and Welcome!
[01:20] <ChrisGagnon> \o/
[01:20] <greg-g> congrats ChrisGagnon !
[01:20] <ChrisGagnon> thanks!
[01:20] <jokerdino> congrats ChrisGagnon
[01:20] <cyphermox> my sincerest apologies to everyone for dragging this on
[01:21] <utlemming> greg-g: ack
[01:21] <Pendulum> utlemming: We're verry sorry that we can't get to your application tonight, unfortunately you happened to be at a meeting with quite a few applicants
[01:21] <Pendulum> #end meeting
[01:21] <Pendulum> #endmeeting
[01:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar 16 01:21:41 2012 UTC.
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[14:57]  * skaet waves
[14:57] <ScottK> \o
[14:57] <skaet> hiya ScottK.  :)
[14:57] <ScottK> Hello.
[14:57] <mdeslaur> \o
[14:58] <brendand> \o
[14:58] <skaet> good to see you brendand,  mdeslaur  :)
[14:58] <mdeslaur> hi skaet
[14:59]  * skaet hoping we get quorum at 1500 ;)
[14:59]  * pitti waves hello
[15:00]  * stgraber waves
[15:00] <skaet> :)
[15:00] <apw> o/
[15:00]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <skaet> #startmeeting
[15:01]  * Daviey does a little dance o/
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[15:01] <Riddell> hi
[15:02]  * skaet is suffering paste failure into the window... sorry for the delay
[15:02] <skaet> [TOPIC] Release general overview - skaet
[15:02] <skaet> Please remember to .. when you're done, and o/ if you want us to pause. :)
[15:02] <skaet> Agenda can be found:
[15:02] <skaet> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-03-16
[15:02] <skaet>  Individual team status links will be added to it from:
[15:02] <skaet>  #link https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/thread.html
[15:02] <skaet> .
[15:02] <skaet>  Schedule is at:
[15:02] <skaet>  #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[15:02] <skaet>  #link http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/ubuntu-release-calendar/
[15:02] <skaet>  .
[15:02] <skaet> Upcoming Dates:
[15:02] <skaet> • 2012/03/22 - Beta Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:03] <skaet> • 2012/03/22 - DocumentationStringFreeze at 2100 UTC
[15:03] <skaet> • 2012/03/29 - Beta 2
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet>  Bugs committed to be fixed by the engineering teams can be found:
[15:03] <skaet>  #link http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/kernel-bugs/reports/rls-p-tracking-bugs.html
[15:03] <skaet> Bugs that you would like the engineering teams to consider for fixing, should be assigned to specific teams, so they can be found.
[15:03] <skaet> .
[15:03] <skaet> Individual Team Statuses Received by 1500 UTC:
[15:03] <skaet> Hardware Certification -https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000947.html - brendand
[15:03] <skaet> Quality Assurance - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000965.html  - jibel
[15:03] <skaet> Security team  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000963.html - mdeslaur
[15:03] <skaet> Kernel team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000945.html- apw
[15:03] <skaet> Foundations - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000949.html-  slangasek
[15:03] <skaet> Server -https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000967.html - Daviey
[15:03] <skaet> Linaro - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000957.html - fabo
[15:03] <skaet> Ubuntu One - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000951.html -  joshuahoover
[15:03] <skaet> Desktop Team - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000958.html  - pitti
[15:03] <skaet> Unity Framework Team - no update received - dbarth
[15:03] <skaet> Unity Services and Settings -  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000962.html- Cimi
[15:03] <skaet> Kubuntu -https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000961.html -  Riddell
[15:03] <skaet> Edubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000953.html- stgraber or highvoltage
[15:03] <skaet> Xubuntu - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000946.html - madnick or knome
[15:03] <skaet> Ubuntu Studio - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000966.html - scott-work (use mail)
[15:03] <skaet> Lubuntu  - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-March/000952.html - gilir (use mail)
[15:04] <skaet> Mythbuntu - no update received - superm1
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <skaet> [TOPIC] Question and Answer Session
[15:04] <skaet> .
[15:04] <skaet> to get things started...
[15:04] <skaet> Anyone against moving the meeting from 1600 to 1500 UTC for the remainder of the DST period (summer basically)?   For the skew period, we'll have it at 1500 UTC at a minimum, so not to be too obnoxious to the Europeans
[15:04] <skaet> ?
[15:04]  * skaet reminds folks to show hands now if they have questions, they can be queued up.  :)
[15:04] <ScottK> Fine with me.
[15:04] <pitti> +1 for 1500 UTC during summer
[15:04] <ScottK> \o
[15:04] <tumbleweed> doesn't affect me at all (we don't do DST)
[15:04] <brendand> -1 (clash with scrum)
[15:04] <mdeslaur> +1 1500UTC
[15:05] <Riddell> +1
[15:05] <stgraber> +1
[15:05] <apw> +0 makes little difference to me
[15:05] <skaet> brendand,  just during the transition skew or through entire period?
[15:05] <Daviey> +0 slightly harder for me, but not the end of the world.
[15:06] <slangasek> +0, dunno which cjwatson would prefer :)
[15:06] <brendand> skaet, having trouble doing the numbers in my head :P
[15:06] <brendand> skaet, i'll manage
[15:06] <skaet> brendand,  great.  thanks.
[15:06] <jibel> +1
[15:07] <skaet> ok,   I'll move it on the schedule going forward,   we'll go back to 1600 after the summer ends.
[15:07] <apw> skaet, i assume you mean "US summer" there
[15:07] <pitti> just FTR, mvoing to 1500 UTC should mean that the local time doesn't change at all
[15:07] <pitti> (since I noticed some people seem to have meeting conflcits)
[15:08] <skaet> ScottK,  go ahead now,  I've got a bunch of questions lined up,  but you had your hand up first.
[15:08] <skaet> :)
[15:08] <ScottK> I'd like to discuss last night's archive breakage,  bug 934593, and wouldn't this better just wait until next cycle given where libpython/python are on multiarch?
[15:08] <apw> pitti, in this two week period (each end) when the US moves before/after us there might be
[15:08] <ScottK> slangasek: ^^^
[15:08] <skaet> apw,  daylight savings time (europe + US)  over wider skew period.  ;)
[15:08] <pitti> I think this change would work if all buildds start building the package at the same time, but indeed it seems that it doesn't gain us much at this point?
[15:08] <ScottK> Given doko's comments on the bug, I'm not sure what the benefit is of this?
[15:08] <ScottK> pitti: I agree.
[15:09] <slangasek> ScottK: it was clearly a case for an FFe from my POV, the upload took me by surprise
[15:09] <slangasek> but the benefit is that it enables cross-installation of build-deps for a large swath of core packages
[15:09] <ScottK> Even with the libpython issue?
[15:09] <slangasek> I'm not sure
[15:10] <slangasek> but that's why it's *theoretically* worth pursuing an FFe for
[15:10] <ScottK> If the change is timed for when the bulidd's are idle, I think it's low risk, but the benefit ought to be sorted out before we try it again.
[15:10] <slangasek> agreed
[15:11] <ScottK> OK.  Would you please work with doko on sorting this out?
[15:11] <skaet> slangasek,  if things are quiet towards the end of the Beta2 - try then?  or before?
[15:11] <pitti> yes, that, or set one per arch on manual and do the build score bump dance
[15:12] <slangasek> ScottK, skaet: it won't be for at least another week; we have the installer sprint next week mon-wed, then doko is off thu-fri.  So we can look at it after beta-2
[15:12] <Daviey> So.. does it add enough benefit for release, or is it a distraction ?
[15:12] <slangasek> (or the week of beta-2 if someone thinks that's a good idea)
[15:13] <slangasek> having the core of Ubuntu cross-buildable is not a distraction for those who need Ubuntu cross-buildable
[15:13] <Daviey> slangasek: Can you state a use-case?
[15:13] <slangasek> but I'm not arguing per se for an exception - I need to talk to doko about this
[15:13] <Daviey> slangasek: The way it seems to me is that this allows people to build any packages in amd64, easier?
[15:13] <skaet> Daviey,  in particular it opens up some options for arm - linaro is cross building, btw.
[15:14] <Daviey> ahh
[15:14] <pitti> if you need me to do the buildd dance, can do; but I'm on a sick day on Monday, so better doing it Tuesday (or ask infinity to do the handholding)
[15:14] <Daviey> ok, i can see reasoning :)
[15:14] <slangasek> pitti: ack, thanks
[15:14] <Daviey> pitti: you pre-plan your sick days?
[15:14] <pitti> Daviey: getting my remaining two wisdom teeth pulled out, yes
[15:14] <Daviey> ah :)
[15:15] <pitti> I'll do stuff in the morning for sponsoring
[15:15] <pitti> so if you are up for an early (EU) morning buildd dance, can do :)
[15:15] <skaet> slangasek,  ok,  I'll ping you next week after your sprint.   let me know the FFe bug number when its opened,  so we can track this.
[15:15] <slangasek> skaet: I would expect the already-opened bug to be used for the FFe, bug #934593
[15:16] <skaet> slangasek,  ok - should probably be a different priority than is indicated, but we can clean it up, etc.
[15:17] <skaet> assuming .. on this topic now.
[15:17] <skaet> Jibel, is bug 950676 lucid->precise upgrade failure due to gir1.0->gir1.2 conflicts, the only remaining blocker you're aware of for us to start recommending people with lucid systems try the upgrade to 12.04?
[15:17]  * skaet would like to be able to start to get wider feedback/testing on lucid -> precise upgrades with Beta 2.
[15:17] <stgraber> I'm also happy to help with the buildd dance, just ping me when needed
[15:17] <skaet> jibel, ^
[15:19] <skaet> ok,  while waiting for jibel,  a couple of other ones to ask... ;)
[15:19] <skaet> slangasek, https://bugs.launchpad.net/hw-labs/+bug/834731 is on Cert's list as a blocker,  is it on your radar for next week?
[15:19] <pitti> skaet: there are some more upgrade bugs to shake out first
[15:20] <slangasek> skaet: no, and they've wiped the drive, it should be removed from the blocker list
[15:20] <skaet> brendand, ^
[15:20] <skaet> pitti,  thanks - is there a good summary somewhere?
[15:20] <brendand> skaet, i think we'll remove the tag soon
[15:20] <pitti> skaet: jibel's mail report summarized it quite well
[15:20] <slangasek> they applied my suggested workaround, but without capturing the debug information we needed to be able to fix it
[15:20] <brendand> skaet, that system boots fine now
[15:21] <pitti> skaet: how about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=lucid2precise ?
[15:21]  * skaet hugs pitti - didn't know about that tag.  :D
[15:21] <skaet> yup, that will work.  thanks
[15:21] <pitti> skaet: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=qa-daily-testing is also interesting, bugs discovered by the auto jenkins tests
[15:22] <slangasek> I think the mono prerm bug would probably be good to fix before having people do lots of lucid->precise upgrades
[15:22] <skaet> pitti,  indeed,  thanks.  :)
[15:23] <skaet> thanks slangasek.
[15:25] <skaet> apw,  how many of Cert's blockers are likely to be fixed with B2 drop?   Are there some its clear we won't get with the release?
[15:25] <apw> skaet, i don't think i can give you a clear answer, there are a number which appear to have fixes nearly ready
[15:25] <apw> skaet, what i propose to do, is complete my overview review, and email all of the assignees and get more concrete updates
[15:25] <apw> skaet, and email the summary out early next week
[15:26] <skaet> apw,  that works.  thanks.  :)
[15:26] <brendand> apw, thanks
[15:26] <skaet> ..  (and thanks brendand, pitti, slangasek, apw)
[15:27] <skaet> any one else have questions or should I go on?
[15:27] <pitti> ..
[15:27] <skaet> dbarth or pitti - do either of you know if compiz will be picking up the OpenGLES in next week's drop?  or is compiz still planned to be bug fix only?
[15:28] <pitti> I don't know, I'm afraid
[15:29] <skaet> pitti,  ok,   I'm not seeing dbarth in the channel either.   Will follow up offline then.
[15:29] <skaet> fabo, ^
[15:30] <skaet> by the way,  before I forget,   Riddell,  congrats on getting Kubuntu active "activated" ;)
[15:30] <Riddell> thanks :)
[15:31] <skaet> tumbleweed, how is progress going on the FTBFS in universe?
[15:31] <Riddell> still various bits to tweak but it's nice to have an ubuntu flavour for tablet at last
[15:31] <skaet> :)
[15:31] <tumbleweed> skaet: I'm not working on them atm, but other people are
[15:31] <dbarth> i'm there
[15:31] <tumbleweed> I don't have a handle on the progress, either
[15:32] <tumbleweed> we're getting another rebuild soon, right?
[15:32] <dbarth> skaet: compiz openGLES is in the hands of ogra; he is still working AFAIK on getting a good distro-patch for ARM only; GLES is not for Intel
[15:33] <skaet> ogra_, ^ any updates?
[15:34] <ogra_> nope
[15:34] <ogra_> will update you once i have something
[15:34] <fabo> we're still waiting
[15:35] <ogra_> (we dont have a working 3D driver atm, waiting for kernel fixes etc)
[15:35] <skaet> tumbleweed,  rebuilds need to be figured out.    Will work with you off line.
[15:35] <ogra_> (its all in the works though)
[15:35] <skaet> ogra_,  are there some bug numbers for those dependent kernel fixes?
[15:36] <skaet> or a tag ;)
[15:36] <ogra_> skaet, not to my knowledge, its all in ppisati's and rsalveti's hands
[15:36] <fabo> skaet: dependency chain is compiz patch -> armhf driver -> kernel fixes
[15:36] <ogra_> i'm just waiting for the go from them to then start on compiz
[15:37] <apw> skaet, i will check with ppisati
[15:37] <skaet> thanks fabo,  ogra_ - would like to get the specific bug numbers figured out so we can keep an eye on when its all landing.
[15:37] <skaet> thanks apw
[15:37] <ogra_> apw, i think he still waits for rsalveti to be done
[15:37] <apw> ogra_, possible indeed ... will ask anyhow ..
[15:38] <ogra_> skaet, well, then we need to file any bugs, i dont hink there are any since it was planned in a regular kernel update
[15:38] <fabo> I'll look into bug numbers to better track ETA
[15:38] <ogra_> (omap4 hasnt had the last merge yet)
[15:38] <skaet> thanks fabo.  :)
[15:38] <fabo> ogra_: I don't have any bugs reported either
[15:38] <ogra_> right, i thought so
[15:39] <skaet> .. I think on this topic.
[15:39] <ogra_> ..
[15:39] <fabo> ..
[15:39] <skaet> anyone else have comments/questions before we end?
[15:40]  * JackyAlcine walks in.
[15:41] <skaet> Thanks for your participation, brendand, jibel, mdeslaur, slangasek, dbarth, Daviey, apw, fabo, pitti, Cimi, Riddell, stgraber, ogra_, tumbleweed
[15:41] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:41] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Mar 16 15:41:10 2012 UTC.
[15:41] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-03-16-15.01.moin.txt
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[15:41] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[15:41] <skaet> have a good weekend all.
[15:41] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[15:41] <pitti> thanks everyone!
[15:42] <slangasek> thanks
[15:42] <skaet> thanks ScottK (sorry missed you in the earlier thanks)
[15:42] <ScottK> No problem.
[15:42] <pitti> +1 on meeting format again; much more interesting that way
[15:43]  * skaet wants others asking questions too though,   was feeling like a bit of a question hog :/
[15:44] <pitti> well, they were some on the mailing lists
[15:44] <slangasek> fwiw I didn't have a chance to read all the reports beforehand, or I probably would've had more questions :)
[15:44] <skaet> pitti,  yup,  we'll keep up the experiment and discuss at UDS if we make it permanent.
[15:44] <slangasek> (not a complaint about the format though, just a whine about being on the west coast)
[15:45] <skaet> slangasek,  yeah,  if folks had them in the night before it would mean a bit more prep could occur.
[15:48] <apw> skaet, you should set a deadline for 'em and official one
[15:49]  * skaet thanks those who had them submitted on Thursday very much. 
[15:50] <skaet> apw,  yes,   UDS discussion topic I think.  Was supposed to be Thursday night.
[18:18] <rsalveti> skaet: ogra_: sorry, once the new kernel lands, we can push the sgx driver, I'm just cleaning the packaging bits now
[18:18] <rsalveti> otherwise it'll freeze 4430 completely while booting
[18:19] <ogra_> yeah
[18:19] <ogra_> rsalveti, but there is no bug or anything about it, right
[18:20] <rsalveti> ogra_: yes we have
[18:20] <ogra_> (and i dont think we need one since the kernel was already uploaded)
[18:20] <ogra_> ah
[18:20] <ogra_> you are such a bureaucrat !
[18:20]  * ogra_ hugs rsalveti 
[18:20] <rsalveti> ogra_: bug 956672
[18:21] <ogra_> great, will add the right tags for kate :)
[18:21] <rsalveti> perfect :-)
[18:21] <rsalveti> thanks
[18:31] <skaet> rsalveti, ogra_ :)  thanks!