[01:09] <pangolin> solved
[01:09] <pangolin> awxi, you won't be unbanned.
[01:10] <awxi> why the bloody fuck did i get banned?
[01:10] <awxi> reason?
[01:10] <pangolin> the same reasons why i told you not to post links like the one you did in #ubuntu
[01:10] <awxi> I did not post
[01:11] <pangolin> !guidelines | have a read and come back in 48 hrs
[01:11] <awxi> I only asked what's wrong with it
[01:11] <awxi> I don't really see the offensive material
[01:11] <awxi> It's family friendly since it's not rated on youtube.
[01:11] <pangolin> youtube doesn't decide what we consider family friendly
[01:12] <awxi> IT's educative content ffs.
[01:12] <awxi> It's a song about fucking a dog in the ass, how could you find that unsafe to children?
[01:12] <Myrtti> you've been told that cursing is not tolerated in the Ubuntu IRC channels. Why are you continuing it even now here on this channel after being told off for it and being kicked from a channel?
[01:12] <awxi> what cursing?
[01:12] <pangolin> awxi, I'm not going to argue with you about something that clearly goes against our channel guidelines
[01:13] <awxi> when did i curse ffs?
[01:13] <pangolin> acronyms of sayings that include cursing are not allowed either
[01:13] <Myrtti> it's getting a bit tiresome. F-word is - as you and I and rest of the planet knows - cursing.
[01:13] <awxi> I did not curse, I only linked to youtube.
[01:13] <awxi> CURSING?
[01:14] <awxi> hooow in the world
 how is it cursing wanting to fuck a dog?
[01:14] <awxi> how is "fuck" a cursing word?
[01:14] <Myrtti> are we done here?
[01:14] <pangolin> I am.
[01:14] <Myrtti> I think we are done here
[01:14] <elky> I think so, Myrtti
[01:15] <Myrtti> so, as we were saying
[01:15] <Myrtti> YES, it actually is a curseword.
[01:15] <Myrtti> you were told off for using it, you didn't heed, so you got removed.
[01:16] <Myrtti> also, the content of the video was questionable.
[01:16] <Myrtti> so - one more reason for removal
[01:21] <Myrtti> so.
[01:21] <Myrtti> how is it. I'm not letting you in if you'll continue the offtopic or the foul language
[01:31] <pangolin> awxi, so as I said earlier, come back in 48 hrs and we can discuss removing the ban.
[01:32] <awxi> But I want to help :(
[01:33] <pangolin> You can, after you come back in 48 hrs and we discuss.
[01:34] <pangolin> Please talk in here and not in PM. I have too many windows to keep up with.
[01:37] <awxi> pangolin, checking your last one would be appreciated.
[01:37] <awxi> have a nice ...
[01:37] <pangolin> night
[01:37] <awxi> 21:37 right night
[01:37] <pangolin> see you i 48hrs or not
[01:37] <pangolin> in*
[04:32] <orionsonofneptun> hello
[04:32] <orionsonofneptun> guys ive been banned from #ubuntu i need to get on there please
[04:32] <orionsonofneptun> i cant help what happened im disabled
[04:32] <orionsonofneptun> i live on disability
[04:33] <orionsonofneptun> and my brain dont work right
[04:33] <orionsonofneptun> i halucinate things
[04:33] <orionsonofneptun> but for the most part obey the rules
[04:33] <orionsonofneptun> please cut me some slack
[04:34] <orionsonofneptun> i really need ubuntu support often
[04:34] <orionsonofneptun> anybody there??
[04:35] <orionsonofneptun> webnet???
[04:35] <webnet> orionsonofneptun, is very new to irc. i am taking him under my wing to teach him what not to do here.
[04:35] <orionsonofneptun> yep we got a channel i can act crazy in
[04:35] <orionsonofneptun> \i did not want to say that
[04:36] <orionsonofneptun> you cant imagine how tough this is to say what i want and i want to obey rules
[04:36] <orionsonofneptun> please give me another chance
[05:18] <vibhav> AtomicSpark posted a o4o link in offtopic
[05:25] <dax> ok
[05:53] <jussi> hello orionsonofneptun
[05:53] <orionsonofneptun> so whats the word guys can i get a voice on #ubuntu
[05:53] <jussi> orionsonofneptun: give me a moment or 2, Im looking up your ban
[05:54] <orionsonofneptun> ok thanks
[05:54] <webnet> he didnt know much about common practice on irc
[05:54] <webnet> ive let him know the sop for talk on the chan now
[05:54] <jussi> webnet: lets just leave the discussion betweeen me and him for now please
[05:54] <orionsonofneptun> im trying to get with the program here
[05:54] <webnet> ok\
[05:55] <orionsonofneptun> webnet is helpfull in keeping me saying the right things i value his input
[05:55] <orionsonofneptun> in helping to communicate my issues with the operators
[05:56] <jussi> orionsonofneptun: so have you had a read of the guidelines yet?
[05:56] <jussi> !guidelines
[05:56] <orionsonofneptun> ive tried many times
[05:56] <orionsonofneptun> ive got brain issues and am disabled
[05:56] <orionsonofneptun> i live on disability
[05:57] <orionsonofneptun> i halucinate
[05:57] <orionsonofneptun> and the things right in my brain come out bad sometimes on irc im sorry
[05:57] <jussi> orionsonofneptun: being disabled does not give you an exception to the rules unfortunately. We need to find a way for you to participate, but we cannot allow everyone elses experince in the channel to be affected by it.
[05:57] <orionsonofneptun> i would appreciate some slack cut
[05:58] <orionsonofneptun> but i wont be that bad
[05:58] <orionsonofneptun> if you could just quiet and pm me
[05:59] <orionsonofneptun> until we see what i said wrong the next time i would appreciate it instead of ban
[05:59] <orionsonofneptun> can we do that
[06:00] <jussi> orionsonofneptun: I will lift the ban for now, but you need to understand that if you do not follow the  guidelines the ban will be reinstated
[06:00] <webnet> i will help him with that as well. thank you jussi :)
[06:00] <orionsonofneptun> ok but can we some how tell operators to just quiet and pm me about my actions
[06:01] <jussi> orionsonofneptun: you must follow the guidelines - I strongly suggest you read them again.
[06:01] <orionsonofneptun> ok i will read them agian
[06:01] <jussi> ban is now removed, please have a good day :)
[06:01] <orionsonofneptun> can we do that
[06:02] <orionsonofneptun> have ops pm me about possible bad comments
[06:02] <orionsonofneptun> some people just dont get it im sorry
[06:02] <jussi> orionsonofneptun: they should be PMing you first in any case, but you need to take it on yourself to make sure it doesnt happen
[06:02] <orionsonofneptun> ill try very hard
[06:02] <orionsonofneptun> thank you for lifting ban
[06:10] <orionsonofneptun> hey i thought you lifted my ban
[06:11] <Flannel> orionsonofneptun: Try now please
[06:11] <orionsonofneptun> ok
[06:15] <vibhav> Can ubottu now unignore me?
[06:15] <Tm_T> hi vibhav
[06:15] <vibhav> hi Tm_T
[06:15] <vibhav> whenever I am at #ubuntu-motu and post a bug url
[06:16] <vibhav> ubottu does not say the bug information
[06:28] <vibhav> ?
[06:28] <Tm_T> vibhav: hi, I'll discuss this with other ops and will then contact you, sounds good?
[06:28] <vibhav> fine
[06:28] <vibhav> thanks Tm_T
[06:36] <dax> ...
[06:37] <dax> Flannel: they reappeared, btw
[08:16] <hiexpo> hey just wanted to apologize to bazhang for being a jerk  and if it is ok get my ubuntu channel back > but if not I understand
[08:16] <hiexpo> hola ikonia
[08:46] <ikonia> hi hiexpo
[08:46] <hiexpo> how are you ikonia
[08:46] <ikonia> fine thank you
[08:47] <ikonia> what's up ?
[08:47] <hiexpo> kool
[08:48] <ikonia> so how can we help ?
[08:48] <hiexpo> ah not much  > got into a pissy with bazhang  the other night and he banned  me   > wanted to say i am sorry
[08:49] <ikonia> ok, thanks.
[08:49] <ikonia> I'm assume you want to be unbanned ?
[08:49] <hiexpo> sure
[08:49] <hiexpo> :)
[08:49] <ikonia> so what's the issue with you ? looking at the history you've been banned/tried to evade bans a number of times this year and it's only just the end of Febuary ?
[08:50] <ikonia> is there a problem with your understanding the rules of the channel, or self control ? or what ? w
[08:50] <hiexpo> I didn't know I had been banned any other times this year
[08:50] <ikonia> yeah you do
[08:51] <ikonia> but if you want - you've also been banned last year
[08:51] <hiexpo> no  I understand the rules
[08:51] <ikonia> you show up a fair few times in our tracker tool
[08:51] <ikonia> so why ?
[08:51] <hiexpo> ikonia, i know i got banned once last year yes
[08:51] <ikonia> I'm asking as I want to know what's going on, rather than unban you, you get banned you apologies, you get re-banned etc and it's a loop
[08:52] <ikonia> it basically seems to be you can't stay ontopic in the channel/continue to make silly comments
[08:52] <ikonia> why ?
[08:53] <hiexpo> ikonia, sillyness  i guess > I won't let it happen again > just learn to keeep my mouth shut
[08:53] <ikonia> ok, no problem
[08:53] <ikonia> I'll remove the ban, please hold it togther though, as it's getting a bit tedious to keep repeating this
[08:53] <hiexpo> true thanx
[08:54] <ikonia> right, the bans been removed
[08:55] <hiexpo> ikonia, thank you   > and all i do is try to help out in there > but i agree sometimes i domake sillyness comments
[08:55] <ikonia> I appreciate you try to help, but the reality is, you don't, you just cause diruption
[08:55] <ikonia> so if you could please focus on the helping, I don't think you'll have a problem
[08:56] <hiexpo> kk
[08:56] <ikonia> thanks
[08:56] <hiexpo> welcome and thanks back at you
[08:56] <ikonia> you're welcome to leave this channel and re-join #ubuntu
[08:56] <ikonia> no problem
[11:46] <ikonia> wodim: LjL what was that about ?
[11:48] <LjL> ikonia: insulting you and some other fellow in spanish
[11:48] <ikonia> he's in #arch-ftw which is AlienJeffs troll pit
[11:48] <ikonia> shock horror
[11:49] <LjL> yes
[17:28] <webnet> hi can someone help on the offtopic channel we have someone who is flaming and using abusive language towards us
[17:29] <genii-around> webnet: They left
[17:29] <webnet> cool thanks
[18:35] <GirlyGirl> Bonjour, je n'arrive pas a rejoindre #ubuntu-fr-offtopic, ça me redirige sur #ubuntu-fr-lire-le-topic. Je suis identifiée sur Freenode.
[18:35] <GirlyGirl> Oops sorry wrong ops channel
[19:11] <oCean> Hello Jonta
[19:11] <Jonta> oCean: Hi there
[19:11] <oCean> What can we do for you?
[19:12] <Jonta> I saw the passage I think you meant, and I think e.g. "google gparted" is better than providing a URL. Teach a man to fish etc. (:
[19:13] <oCean> First of all, it is not a "new" rule/guideline
[19:13] <oCean> !google
[19:13] <oCean> ^this factoid has been there since 2006
[19:14] <Jonta> (didn't think it _was_ new either) (:
[19:14] <oCean> people do know that google exists, but they came in the channel for a reason
[19:14] <oCean> either they don't know how to use google to find useful answers, or they just want to talk/discuss the issue with someone
[19:15] <oCean> "google gparted"  results in many links, which one should I use?
[19:15] <oCean> which one has useful content?
[19:16] <oCean> Jonta: besides our guidelines, we also have a supportersguide: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/SupportersGuide
[19:17] <Jonta> Well, I don't think the case where you remarked on it in my case was very general, and there's still learning how to fish. Statistics show that people will use the top 2 links in an overwhelming majority of cases.
[19:18] <oCean> So?
[19:18] <Tm_T> #ubuntu is not for teaching to fish, it's there to provide support
[19:25] <oCean> Jonta: if there's nothing else to discuss, would you please /part this channel?
[19:26] <Jonta> Tm_T: Well, they're not mutually exclusive.
[19:26] <Tm_T> I'm aware (:
[19:28] <Jonta> Tm_T: Well, I usually try to do both. Providing search-phrases that are specific enough.
[19:28] <Jonta> And I don't like it myself when somebody just pastes a URL (:
[19:29] <oCean> Jonta: telling someone to "google foo" is not teaching him how to fish for foo, you only give them a rod. Teaching someone to fish would be to teacht the other person to learn to differentiate in useful and unusable results
[19:29] <Tm_T> oCean: well put
[19:29] <Jonta> oCean: Well, "google gparted" might've been a bad example.
[19:30] <oCean> Jonta: I'd rather have a URL from someone telling me "I have good experience using this page" than "google this_or_that"
[19:30] <maco> IMO, the thing to do is tell them the link with the howto and the keywords you used to find it, because for example, someone might not know the word for "make the drive available to use" is "mount"
[19:30] <Jonta> Well, then we differ on that.
[19:31] <Jonta> (last one for oCean )
[19:31] <Tm_T> maco: indeed, providing a search phrase is never bad thing to do, but only as an addition to the help
[19:31] <maco> agreed
[19:32] <Jonta> Noted.