[00:12] AlanBell: tempted [00:14] i think I am out for the day on saturday so getting up for a 9am tour is going to be fun [00:19] yeah, I will be flying in on the saturday so basically crashing as soon as I get to the hotel I booked in SF chinatown [00:22] then up really early due to timezones so doing some touristy stuff, then relocating to Oakland with Pendulum [01:14] #list === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [06:12] http://i.imgur.com/hYnNl.jpg [07:31] [Jono Bacon] First Additional Accomplishments Set - http://www.jonobacon.org/2012/03/16/first-additional-accomplishments-set/ [07:39] Gooof moownin [08:22] Morning all. [08:23] Yet more total awesomeness from #Graphene… High-performance, small & flexible capacitors [batteries]: http://is.gd/Tgka7i via [08:29] I see Ubuntu has a new, and probably unwelcome, offspring: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17381214 [08:30] morning [08:30] Morning [08:32] gord: did you see HUD accessibility is being written off for precise? [08:34] bood morning folks [08:43] Morning [09:11] Good morning peeps :) [09:11] I'm on holiday today, so I've no idea why I'm in my office [09:19] bigcalm: To play Minecraft on the "work" computer === feisar__ is now known as feisar [09:26] good morning lovelies [09:27] good morning [09:28] I have a good day at work ahead of me today, Ubuntu server 12.04 set up and ready to begin developing a site using Opencart [09:30] :) [09:33] Good morning darling christel :) [09:35] helllooo bigcalm :D [09:35] whatcha up to? [09:35] christel: bugger all :D [09:36] Good morning all! Happy Friday! :D [09:36] christel: I have no idea what to do with my day [09:36] Good morning JamesTait and thank you [09:36] aww [09:36] come to farnham and have lunch with me and AlanBell! [09:37] ah yes, lunch :) [09:37] Heh [09:37] AlanBell: where'd you see that? (HUD a11y) [09:37] christel: so very tempting, bit of a drive sadly [09:37] TheOpenSourcerer: up for a pub lunch in Farnham? [09:38] bigcalm: Me too! [09:38] bigcalm: pffft! we're so worth it! [09:38] popey: luke posted it to the accessibility list, I replied and copied in unity-design [09:38] anyone know the best way to get MariaDB on 12.04? [09:38] * bigcalm tickles christel [09:38] Probly not AlanBell, as much as I would like to... Have a lot to do today. [09:38] ah, got it [09:42] good morning everyone. [09:49] christel: I have a parcel arriving between 12:56 - 13:56 which is a bit of a pain [09:50] and a customer call at 14:30 [09:50] mmm -- we could do next week sometime if that's easier? maybe lord can tag along one day next week? [09:50] (or we could do an evening next week and popey could come play?) [09:51] Oh, my parents are coming to visit for a few hours. That'll be nice [09:52] * bigcalm panics and hunts for the hoover [09:52] haha [09:53] i have parcels arriving today too [09:54] ipad3? [10:00] Hello. [10:04] anyone know a fix for the bug in software centre in lucid where clicking install doesn't do anything? [10:06] ah it appears that running gksu software-center is a workaround [11:01] Morning all [11:03] Hello davmor2 [11:04] How are you? [11:05] s-fox: tired, happy it's Friday, and overwhelming happy that it's prod czajkowski time of day :) And you? [11:07] davmor2: gooooooooooooooooooooood morning [11:08] haha [11:10] davmor2, Slowly getting better thank you :-) [11:10] Hello christel & czajkowski :) [11:10] czajkowski: you forgot the Vietnam off the end of that I think you'll find ;) shortly followed up by It's "o" 600 and what the "o" stand for OMG it's early :) [11:10] heya s-fox :) [11:11] How are you christel ? [11:12] i am well! thyself? :) [11:12] well, i am procrastinating which is not so good! [11:15] davmor2: watched that only 2 weeks ago [11:15] it was great! [11:15] christel: you're actively attached shells to yourself......oh wait that would be pro-crustation [11:16] czajkowski: it is a good film for quotes [11:17] haha [11:25] christel I am stomping on spambots on the ubuntu forums. They go crunch ;) [11:25] hehe [11:28] * nothingspecial is too [11:28] Anyone know any accounts worth following on twitter [11:28] ? [11:28] It's friday [11:29] s-fox, devops_borat? [11:29] I like this one https://twitter.com/#!/_Silver_Fox_ [11:37] i usually get annoyed by people/companies i follow on twitter [11:37] oimon, I didn't like the film , chances of me liking that ? [11:37] s-fox: slim [11:38] matt I tend to unfollow anyone that annoys me pretty quickly [11:38] devops borat is mildly funny [11:38] but after like months and months, it's kinda ... :-/ [11:38] i'm moving off twitter onto g+ where i can. i only check twitter 1x per day [11:38] twitter and g+ are just RSS feeds for me [11:38] i check twitter on my phone when i'm in the toilet [11:38] :P [11:39] Thank you for sharing [11:39] hahahaha [11:39] * mattt retracts [11:46] * oimon notices some interesting news on bbc website [11:59] mattt, lets hope you don't feel the need to post what you are doing on twitter when you check it then ;) [12:05] czajkowski: danang me, danang me, take a rope and hang me :) [12:07] high from the highest treeeeee [12:11] hamitron, plop plop ahhhh wipe [12:14] TMI [12:37] hamitron: there's already enough drivel on twitter [12:37] no need for such updates from me [12:54] so, I'm considering a tablet [12:55] will andrubuntu be running on one soon do you reckon? [12:55] no [12:57] you could try kubuntu plasma active though [12:58] whats andrubuntu? [12:59] it's like a cross between cute ponies and magical goblins [12:59] Ubuntu for Android will only run on the Motorola Atrix, and it isn't available [12:59] popey: android phone, when plugged in becomes an ubuntu thingy [12:59] yeah, Ubuntu for Android [13:00] I'm just calling it andrubuntu because I'm lazy [13:00] maybe later in the year [13:00] should call it uburoid [13:00] because it sounds like a nasty medical condition [13:01] technically it is more of a parasite [13:01] anyway like i said before, ubuntu for atrix has been available for 9 months [13:01] closer to 12 months now [13:01] but it's not a tablet [13:03] I just think the ubundroid solution or whatever would be really useful for me, and I'm holding off buying a new work machine until it's available. It would be a great solution for my work needs. [13:03] hahaha [13:03] * AlanBell wonders if Ubuntu or Linaro will run on the Snapdragon Krait [13:03] ali1234: ? [13:03] i hope your work needs consist of listening to music, watching films, and going on facebook and checking email [13:04] because that's all arm machines are good for [13:04] is it just me, or are lion bars completely different from when i was a kid, huge disappointment [13:04] they are painfully slow as soon as you do anything that isn't hardware accelerated [13:04] gord: I have not had one of those for years, might try and find one later to answer that [13:05] i'm sure lion bar used to have nuts in it [13:05] now it's just some horrible wafer thing [13:05] I don't recall nuts, just rice crispies and toffee and chocolate and stuff [13:06] yeah i don't remember a wafer in it, but this has a wafer [13:06] not what i wanted at all [13:06] maybe it used to have rice crispies [13:07] I think there may have been some wafer element to it, to give some structure to the toffee [13:08] i also remember it growling when you break it apart, mine isn't doing that at all! [13:09] ali1234: pretty much yes [13:09] twitter, facebook, email [13:09] & a couple of android apps [13:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkWcTX0f5U [13:10] lion bar ad [13:11] lol [13:11] old tv is so calm and sedate [13:11] that advert would have dubstep and skateboarding teenagers all over it these days [13:12] gord: /join #linaro [13:12] oops [13:12] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0z9l-qG9pM [13:12] but i don't want to :( [13:12] well i was close. "heavy" metal and parkour [13:12] gord: I can't even remember what I was going to say to you [13:13] ooh, 6 bottles of wine just arrived [13:14] was it that you wanted me to come over and drink your six bottles of wine? [13:16] I like the teasers on the website http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/tv <- but where can I get the latest developments on these teasers. [13:16] andylockran: http://pad.ubuntu.com/PhoneTabletTVFAQ [13:17] AlanBell: thanks [13:19] and a new phone just arrived [13:19] yeah? [13:20] samsung galaxy ace purple [13:20] because if you install pandas vs ninja on a blackberry torch it bricks the phone (two returns done, no more blackberries) [13:20] "Tickets for ORGCon selling fast!" [13:20] bet they aren't. [13:21] popey: that isn't what you are calling it is it? [13:21] :D [13:22] oh, this http://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/2010/book-now-first-ever-orgcon-24-july === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell === mrevell_ is now known as mrevell [15:16] http://fruitydev.libertus.co.uk/crm-530/index.php?module=Accounts&parenttab=Support&action=DetailView&record=89564 [15:16] Bad - wrong window. [15:16] silly silly sourcerer [15:25] heheh [15:33] afternoon [15:33] * DJones wonders how many people have clicked on that link just to be nosey [15:42] probably needs a login or session ID [15:42] :D [15:43] * dwatkins notes that the server is running Apache and has the infamous "It works!" page at the top level ;) [15:45] Kid:Dude you just killed a helicopter with a car McClain: I ran out of bullets (sniggery laugh) it's fun friday random quotes day [15:45] https://www.facebook.com/questions/326779177369296/ what would you like to hear more of from launchpad :) [15:46] dwatkins: Someone should change that in the package one day to say "It doesn't work" [15:47] daubers: that would be mean ;) [15:47] I'd prefer "You have a boring default page!" [15:47] dwatkins: And amusingly confusing [15:48] dwatkins: We could just change the default page to the fail whale? [15:49] daubers: good call, here's one I just converted: http://rowla.dyndns.org/whale.txt ;) [15:49] heh :) [15:49] * MartijnVdS plays with EagleCad [15:52] daubers: here's a better one: http://rowla.dyndns.org/failwhale.html - thanks to http://picascii.com/ [15:52] are be internet likely to go ipv6 [15:53] dwatkins: That one is quite cool :) [15:53] daubers: yeah, I might use it as my 404 [16:00] andylockran: of course! [16:00] MartijnVdS: yeah? [16:01] andylockran: Expect to see major announements on/before 8-6: http://www.worldipv6day.org/ [16:01] ah, kewl [16:03] andylockran: (last year, they tried it for a day, now they're leaving IPv6 on afterwards) [16:04] excellent [16:13] yay https://plus.google.com/103345707817934461425/posts/6xHVneF1wYn [16:13] had been finding gmail annoying cos of this [16:22] Ifi ed it /etc/hosts do i need to reboot my system or can i type something to get it to re-read the file ? [16:27] "it depends" [16:27] for services which directly do a hostname lookup every time from nss, "no". if there's any per-app caching (e.g. chromium) or systemwide caching (e.g. nscd) you may need to restart the app/daemon [16:38] afternoon all [16:39] marxjohnson: o/ [16:40] i'm currently mooching around London Waterloo for an hour. party on. [16:41] what fun [16:42] i might play 'make eye contact with a londoner' [16:42] marxjohnson: A dangerous game. Are you wearing a stab vest? [16:42] you won't win that game [16:44] i'm not trying to win, i'm trying to waste time ;) [16:44] hence also, irc on my phone [16:49] marxjohnson: No kindle? [16:50] * daubers wonders if his mathematica licence is still valid [16:51] daubers: no, but i do have some ebooks on my phone, thanks for remindinq me! === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte === michael is now known as Guest26738 === Guest26738 is now known as Mike === Mike is now known as plague === plague is now known as TheDuke [18:46] hey gord you around still? [19:13] my package in a PPA works \o/ [19:13] I think. Anyone running Unity want to test it? [19:13] sudo apt-add-repository ppa:alanbell/unity [19:13] sudo apt-get update [19:13] sudo apt-get install unity-window-quicklists [19:14] then log out and back in again, you should have quicklists on launcher icons showing what windows there are for that application and you can select and raise *one* of them at a time === mat__ is now known as Guest74030 [19:47] http://blog.launchpad.net/general/meet-laura-czajkowski [19:54] czajkowski: I wonder whether I should point out a spelling mistake on the 1st line of the 2nd paragraph "emai" [19:54] Not sure who would responsible for correcting that [19:55] Presumably Dan [19:58] yarp [20:01] and I think a bazaar is supposed to be bizare in there somewhere [20:01] "Bazaar and PPAs both of which are bazaar to me at present" [20:01] in there [20:01] pun intended :) [20:03] * AlanBell goes back to packaging things [20:08] AlanBell: off anywhere nice? [20:08] lulz [20:09] packaging stuff to put in PPAs :) [20:13] :) [20:16] it is massively hard to do a simple package, packaging complicated things is fairly straightforward, but the simple case is a nightmare [20:31] [Alan Bell] Unity Window Quicklists - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2012/03/16/unity-window-quicklists/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=unity-window-quicklists [20:47] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17396170 - see box "how many 50% tax payers are there" [20:47] if you take those figures and use the minimum values then the total extra revenue from 50% rate is 3.75 billion [20:48] oh wait, it's 2.25 billion actually... [20:48] that's a very conservative estimate though [20:49] i don't understand how people are avoiding this tax [20:50] by living on the Isle of Man :) [20:52] then presumably they are not paying tax at all [20:53] which means they aren't included in the numbers [20:56] 250000 people is the top 0.8% of incomes btw [20:57] (for income tax payers only) [21:09] AlanBell: the trouble with quick lists is it doesn't help if allthe windows have the same title, as the often do [21:09] i prefer to identify windows by their position on screen [21:10] do the quicklists stay in the same order? [21:12] they should stay in the same order [21:12] they certainly don't move about on a window title change [21:13] new ones get added to the bottom of the quicklist [21:14] why not put the three windows you're working on into one workspace? [21:14] then just press the launcher button or alt-tab to switch between those 3? [21:15] three windows is a minimal case [21:15] usually it's three terminals, a browser, an editor, plus the UI of the program you're working on [21:16] and you can put them all on their own workspace [21:16] but the problem happens when something unrelated interrupts you [21:16] like an incoming message on irc [21:16] so you switch to irc on another workspace [21:17] then when you try to go back to what you were doing, all your carefully arranged windows are mixed in with everything else [21:17] popey: well I could, I could also put all the terminals into tmux or something, but I don't think that "use fewer windows" is a good solution to "I want my window manager to be better" [21:18] exactly [21:18] I'm not suggesting fewer windows [21:18] I'm suggesting using the existing window management tools [21:18] I just said "3" as a "collection of more than one window" [21:18] (and because you said 3 on your blog) [21:18] because the number of windows used rarely will all fit on the screen at one time [21:19] why do they have to "fit"? [21:19] because as soon as you minimize something, you;ve lost it forever? [21:19] why minimise it [21:19] because the spread is so unusable [21:19] alt-tab or press the button on the launcher [21:19] I didnt suggest spread [21:19] um you minimize it because you can't fit it all on screen at once [21:19] either t is on the screen, visible [21:19] or it isn't [21:19] behind stuff [21:20] thats not minimised [21:20] if it isn't, the only way to find it is using the spread [21:20] no [21:20] if you want to get at something behind another window... you have to minimize the window in front [21:20] click the launcher or alt-tab/tick [21:20] no [21:20] *boggle* [21:20] "click the launcher" - that is the spread [21:20] no [21:20] i have 6 apps open all on one desktop [21:20] i was at the irc class where all the terms were laid out [21:20] if i want to switch i press the button on the left [21:21] when you click the launcher, that is the spread [21:21] ffs no [21:21] i am not saying launch the spread [21:21] i am saying press the button for the app in the launcher [21:21] well how else do you switch windows? [21:21] alt tab, alt-` [21:21] yes, when you press the button on thelauncher for the app, and it shows the little thumbnail for all the windows [21:21] depends how many are open [21:21] that is called the spread according to talk given by gorge castro [21:21] yes, i know that [21:22] i am not suggesting using spread [21:22] if you press the launcher button they *all* spring to the top of the zindex [21:22] which is possibly a bug [21:22] no, in the unity checkbox tests this behaviour is part of the test so it is not a bug [21:22] ok, broken by design then [21:23] so you clikc the launcher, all the window spop up in front of whatever is currently running, then you click it again and the spread opens, then you pull out a magnifying glass and identify which window is the one you want and click it [21:23] anyhow, the window quicklists don't take any window management options away from you [21:23] ali1234: you can use compiz enhanced zoom to see what they are when in the spread [21:24] it is quite cool, all the thumbnails are full resolution openGL textures you can zoom back in and pan around [21:24] wow, so if you zoom in, you get the full resolution? that's pretty cool [21:24] inredibly innefficient way to switch windows though [21:24] yeah [21:27] might as well use alt-` [21:27] well, except that you can't zoom in on alt-` [21:27] and alt-` requires you to focus on a window of the app before you can use it [21:28] so you actually might as well just click the launcher twice cos it's faster [21:28] well it requires you to start with alt-tab to select the application then alt+` or down and alt+tab to cycle through the windows of the application [21:28] key word being "cycle" [21:29] as opposed to just going directly to the one you want [21:29] you have to look through a huge list [21:29] yeah, no active mouse cursor when alt-tab is active [21:30] anyhow, I like my little quicklists, they work for me. If anyone else likes them then so much the better. [21:31] the longer the list themore likely you are to accidentally go past the one you want and then have to either go through the whole list again, or sprain your wrist trying to press the shift-alt-` [21:31] I wasnt knocking the quicklist, I think they're neat, I was just trying to figure out what they solved thats all. [21:31] they solve the problem of when you have more than two windows open from the same application [21:32] they solve it better than any of the other solutions [21:32] basically they solve the problem that the spread and alt-tab/alt-` are both horrible [21:37] popey: this is the problem it solves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Q8Cd6piIc [21:38] gotcha [21:38] I guess I work around that now ☹ [21:39] * popey ponders who it would be good to get at oggcamp [21:39] if we did it [21:39] ☺ [21:41] as speakers? [21:51] yes AlanBell [21:51] trying to come up with people [21:51] suggestions welcome [21:52] ooh I know, @rainycat [22:02] evening all [22:08] ooo ta AlanBell [22:14] popey: Eben and Liz Upton [22:18] good idea [22:22] popey: How about @ruskin147 as a speaker [22:30] Maybe he could combine it with his day job and get interviews for the BBC for broadcast [22:30] i heard @andrewgodwin speaking at fosdem last year, about django/python [22:30] he's from london, and a really good spaeker [22:33] thanks [22:34] popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KTVws3TiC0 [22:37] nice vide, thanks! [22:37] np [22:47] Hmm, my space bar seems a bit dodgy, it works, but it's really limp and has no 'click' to it, anyone got any ideas on how I might fix it? [22:47] Tis my gaming keyboard, so don't really want to part with it [22:50] time to start breaking in a replacement [22:50] It's a £100+ keyboard :< [22:52] Azelphur: can you take the space bar off and check the spring? [22:54] yea I just took it off it doesn't seem to have a spring, more of a lever type thing i'll take a photo [22:55] I haven't had a keyboard break for quite some time [22:55] but then I haven't bought a keyboard for a long time ☺ [22:55] i just use whatever crap comes with the computer [22:56] yea, my keyboard sees real heavy usage [22:56] I seem to go through them every 3 years or so [22:57] the only keyboard I have is .. ancient. I only have it for a very obnoxious terminal that won't use a usb keyboard still [22:58] I have an expensive keyboard I was given, but I don't really use it, I kind of prefer the short travel laptop keyboard [23:01] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/March/IMG_20120316_225917.jpg [23:02] dwatkins: ^ [23:02] crusty [23:02] ali1234: you should have seen it /before/ I cleaned it [23:02] yeah most likely the metal bar popped out of the guide rails [23:03] nope, it's still in it's guide rails [23:03] it's clearly not in that photo [23:03] maybe it was just clogged with dirt, i dunno [23:04] yeah, worth a clean with a cotton bud [23:04] ok I'll clean up the bar [23:04] see the clips at the top left and right of the bar? that's where the bar should sit afaik [23:04] it's inside it's clips [23:05] yeah but you have to get the other end under the guides on the main chassis [23:05] other wise it just flaps around and does nothing [23:05] and the spacebar gets really spongey [23:05] YeaIDidThat [23:05] YayNoSpaceTime [23:06] OhDear,FoundTheIssue [23:06] remap space to G12 [23:07] put the space bar back now :P [23:08] the membrane under the keyboard is split [23:08] the rubber stuff? [23:08] yea [23:08] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBOR2le-1w&t=0m9s [23:08] that stuff [23:09] the little bubble thing that's under the space bar, it's split around the edge of the bubble [23:12] glue it, or cut one out from an old keyboard [23:12] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/March/DSC03539.jpg better idea of what happened [23:12] ali1234: do you know what it's called? would make for easier googling, maybe I can get a replacement one from logitech. [23:13] just get a whole broken keyboard [23:13] yea [23:13] it will be easier [23:14] still would like to ask just to see if they have it as a pot shot, so any idea what it's called? [23:14] if they don't have it I'll hunt down a busted one [23:15] you don't need the specific one for g19 [23:15] oh, that's interesting [23:15] you just get any keyboard, cut out one "bubble", and glue it in place after cutting out the old broken one [23:15] its just a sheet of rubber [23:15] they are all exactly the same [23:15] haha, I don't think glue will last too long tbh [23:15] the amount of usage this keyboard gets [23:16] it doesn't matter [23:16] it doesn't move side to side [23:16] oh I see what your saying [23:16] sugru.com! :) [23:16] yea I could do that [23:16] that can be plan C :P [23:37] Fridayyyy :D [23:40] ali1234: oh hey, turns out you was right about the whole G19 boot loop thing [23:41] apparently it's a known issue, the power supply overheats, doesn't supply enough power to the G19, and so it boot loops [23:41]