[00:04] <brousch> wow, crazy stuff http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/tornado-destroys-homes-in-dexter-michigan-other-areas-hit-by-severe-weather-20120315-DK
[00:17] <jrwren> brousch: it was very close
[00:18] <jrwren> snap-l: the N = None; del N # confused me coming from a java/.net background
[00:18] <jrwren> i just wait for patent expiration... just a few more years for the mp3 patents.
[00:19] <brousch> i'm sure they will be extended like copyrights
[00:28] <jrwren> no
[00:28] <jrwren> patents don't have that history.
[00:28] <jrwren> i had a celebration when teh RSA patent expired.
[00:33] <jcastro> JAY WREN
[00:33] <jcastro> hi
[00:48] <jrwren> hi jcastro
[00:48] <jrwren> how are you?
[00:48] <jrwren> i miss you, when are you moving back to MI?
[00:48] <jrwren> hey, #ubuntu-us-mi am I the only one who doesn't care at all about ubuntu achievements?
[00:58] <greg-g> shhhhh!
[00:59] <jcastro> jrwren, I'm visiting on memorial day
[01:02] <jrwren> YAY!
[01:43] <snap-l> jrwren: I think achievements are pretty stupid
[01:43] <snap-l> which is why I'm not on 4square
[01:44] <snap-l> but, I acknowledge that some people need that pavlovian dog acknowledgement in order to excel
[01:46] <snap-l> and yes, I'm happy that Patents expire, unlike copyrights which retire like Bret Farve or Ozzy Osbourne.
[01:47] <snap-l> Frankly, I don't mind initial publish date + X years (where X < 50)
[01:48] <snap-l> with additional (c) extension for 10 years if you publish a new edition of the work
[01:48] <snap-l> at least it would keep the things that still have legs (like the Beatles and Steam Boat Willie) going, and give added incentive to keep shit in print
[01:48] <jrwren> where X < 7
[01:49] <jrwren> fuk beatles and steam boat willy, they should be public
[01:49] <snap-l> and let things that may not have monetary value go PD gracefully.
[01:49] <jrwren> its not about monetary value, its about freedom
[01:50] <snap-l> jrwren: I know
[01:50] <jrwren> or rather, the problem is that it IS about monetary value instead of freedom
[01:50] <snap-l> which is why I get extremely irritated when the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate starts sabre-ratling whenever someone publishes something against John Carter of Mars
[01:50] <snap-l> It's PD. Get over it.
[01:51] <snap-l> or the Howard estate re: Conan
[02:47] <rick_h> snap-l: no calling 6am
[02:48] <rick_h> going to be a rough night of transition me thinks
[02:53] <rick_h> woot, new keyboard...let the awkward adjustment phase begin
[11:06] <rick_h> morning
[11:06] <rick_h> ugh
[11:08] <mydogsnameisrudy> rick_h:  wrong side of the bed , go back to bed and getup on the other side
[11:16] <snap-l> rick_h: Good morning
[11:16] <snap-l> and good morning, everyone else.
[12:25] <rick_h> man, it's going to be a long day
[12:25] <snap-l> rick_h: I can imagine
[12:29] <brousch> rick_h: you back in the M I?
[12:29] <rick_h> yep
[12:29] <rick_h> got in last night so starting to catch u\
[12:29] <rick_h> losing three hours coming back sucks
[12:32] <brousch> maybe 4 hours
[12:32] <brousch> do they do daylight savings in CA?
[12:32] <snap-l> Only AZ and Hawaii neglect to celebrate DST
[12:35] <brousch> some parts of IN
[12:35] <brousch> they go county-by-county there
[12:35] <snap-l> It's all restupid
[12:36] <rick_h> brousch: yea, lost my hour there as well
[12:37] <brousch> hey apple-lovers http://aroberge.blogspot.com/2012/03/python-for-ios-first-look.html
[12:38] <rick_h> I've seen  enough apple to last me a while
[12:38] <rick_h> forgive my typing as I get keyboard adjusted
[12:39] <snap-l> rick_h: but for $3 you can play with a limited Python on an iOS device?
[12:39] <snap-l> isn't that worth it for you? :)
[12:39] <brousch> well it's better than having no python ;)
[12:42] <snap-l> Tendulkar reaches cricket milestone
[12:42] <snap-l> Indian cricketer Sachin Tendulkar becomes first man to score 100 international centuries.
[12:42] <snap-l> I will never, ever understand Cricket.
[12:50] <brousch> hm, time to dive into throwing exceptions. i don't know if i've ever done that before
[12:50] <rick_h> from python?
[12:50] <brousch> yeah
[12:50] <rick_h> raise Exception('message')
[12:50] <snap-l> ^^
[12:50] <rick_h> or subclass Exception
[12:50] <brousch> shouldn't there be a different exception for different errors?
[12:50] <rick_h> or the another Exception like ValueError, etc
[12:51] <rick_h> right, so you can create subclasses to throw for the 'type' of error
[12:51] <brousch> ok
[12:51] <rick_h> with a message specific to the exception
[12:51] <brousch> last time i did this was in java
[12:52] <brousch> i am kind of excited because i think if i change this program to use exceptions i can also make it testable
[12:52] <rick_h> yay!
[12:52] <brousch> or more easily testable
[12:53] <brousch> right now it prints errors and exits, but those should really be logs and exceptions
[12:54] <rick_h> right
[12:55] <brousch> so i've got that going and read python on android. fun days ahead
[12:55] <brousch> s/read/real/
[12:56] <rick_h> wheeeee
[12:56] <rick_h> python to rule them all
[12:56] <brousch> you're not all pyed out yet?
[12:57] <rick_h> no, I'm invigorated to start a python group out here
[12:57] <rick_h> I need to find some place to host meetings
[13:02] <snap-l> ho boy.
[13:03] <brousch> snap-l's house!
[13:06] <rick_h> my goal is to get a PSF sponsored sprint before the year is out
[13:11] <brousch> bookie sprint?
[13:11] <rick_h> no, needs to be more base python. Thinking a sprint to practice porting some lib to py3
[13:11] <rick_h> maybe something bookie uses :)
[13:12] <brousch> that would be cool
[13:45] <jrwren> brousch: IN no longer goes county by county. the state as a whole joined EST/EDT like the rest of us, a few yrs ago.
[13:47] <jrwren> oh shit... i'm wrong on that.
[13:47] <jrwren> my family in IN lied to me!
[13:47] <jrwren> ah, 2006, entire state began observing DST
[13:47] <jrwren> but zone is still county by county.
[13:47] <jrwren> *sigh*
[13:48] <brousch> heh
[15:08] <greg-g> give me more movies like: Independence Day, Transformers, Battleship
[15:09] <greg-g> ie: aliens coming to destroy humans but thank the effing lord we spend more money on the US Military than we should because it actually came in use for once
[15:09] <rick_h> oh interesting
[15:13] <greg-g> :)
[15:14] <rick_h> I'm coming up empty, but I'm not good at these kinds of problems
[15:15] <greg-g> yeah, me neither :)
[15:16] <greg-g> I just saw the trailer for Battleship and... wow
[15:16] <rick_h> heh, haven't seen it yet
[17:18] <rick_h> brousch: opencv love http://pyvideo.org/video/674/militarizing-your-backyard-with-python-computer
[17:21] <brousch> ahahah
[17:21] <brousch> i will set it up to squirt those damn kids on my lawn
[17:21] <brousch> make george wear a red hat so he is exempt
[17:24] <snap-l> greg-g: Alien military movies?
[17:24] <snap-l> What about Starship Troopers?
[17:24] <snap-l> (note: have not seen Starship Troopers)
[17:27] <snap-l> MOst of the recent alien movies have been more of the "our military is useless against these things"
[17:27] <brousch> the only good thing in starship troopers is denise richards
[17:29] <snap-l> greg-g: Work in a Mars Attacks reference. :)
[17:31] <snap-l> Fuck, they're planning a Cloverfield 2 and District 10
[17:31] <rick_h> I actually liked district 9
[17:31] <rick_h> and yea, it was setup for a follow up
[17:31] <snap-l> I want to seeit but haven't convinced JoDee
[17:31] <rick_h> cloverfield I can do without
[17:32] <snap-l> rick_h: Seriously? Hmm.
[17:32] <snap-l> Thought once the hook was known it didn't need a follow-up
[17:32] <rick_h> snap-l: yea, it's very different. I went and saw it by myself
[17:33] <snap-l> Like Blair Witch Project.
[17:33] <snap-l> Should never have been given a sequel. Ever.
[17:33] <rick_h> I never saw that, but that seemed stupid. This was done kind of cool like discovery channel like
[17:34] <snap-l> rick_h: Didn't see the first one, but seriously, it's like a haunted house
[17:34] <rick_h> yea, not interested
[17:34] <snap-l> once you know the hook of the haunted house, it's not scary anymore.
[17:35] <snap-l> really wish Hollywood would leave well enough alone.
[17:35] <rick_h> hah, this squirrel cannon is arduino powered
[17:35] <snap-l> LIke Tron Legacy
[17:35] <rick_h> I got the soundtrack out of it, so happy me
[17:36] <snap-l> Yeah, the soundtrack was the best part.
[17:37] <brousch> i must be the only person who doesn't care for it
[17:37] <rick_h> the tron soundtrack?!
[17:37] <brousch> yeah
[17:37] <snap-l> WHich I was surprised since Wendy Carlos' Tron Soundtrack is one of my favorites.
[17:37] <brousch> boring and kind of annoying
[17:37] <snap-l> brousch: What's your general feeling on electronic music?
[17:38] <brousch> i like some of it
[17:38] <snap-l> Also, the CD sounds a LOT better than the MP3s
[17:39] <brousch> it looks i kept 2 tracks in my playlist: adiago for tron and end of line
[17:39] <rick_h> soundtracks are meant to be listened to in whole
[17:39]  * rick_h has a ton of those in his queue...best coding music
[17:40] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, I initially thought it was pretty boring as well
[17:40] <brousch> i did listen to it in whole, and picked out those 2 as not annoying :P
[17:40] <snap-l> but near the end is when it won me over.
[17:40] <rick_h> ugh, brousch is broken. Send him in for repair
[17:40] <snap-l> Meh, different strokes.
[17:40] <brousch> Tools still sucks
[17:40] <rick_h> Tool!
[17:41] <rick_h> *sigh* /me thinks he's hopelessly broken
[17:41] <snap-l> brousch: Redeem yourself: http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/saros-labyrinth/
[17:42] <brousch> if i remember right, the tron soundtrack had too much high pitch sound for me
[17:43] <snap-l> Are you referring to Daft Punk's, or Wendy Carlos' soundtrack?
[17:43] <brousch> daft punk
[17:43] <rick_h> yea, we're talking tron 2 right?
[17:43] <snap-l> I didn't get high pitched at all
[17:43] <brousch> i don't think i've heard the tron 1
[17:44] <rick_h> yea, I mean I'd not classify it as high pitched
[17:44] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzRWXn5KNFI
[17:45] <brousch> i may be remembering wrong
[17:46] <brousch> maybe it was just boring
[17:47] <snap-l> Yeah, which makes it pretty good background music.
[17:47] <snap-l> ;)
[17:47] <rick_h> that, star trek, and inception are my big rotation these days
[17:47] <snap-l> That Saros album is pretty awesome, IMHO
[17:48] <snap-l> If anyone wants a copy, LMK
[20:31] <rick_h> http://blog.mitechie.com/2012/03/16/pycon-2012-what-a-ride/ pycon retro
[20:33] <snap-l> "Last year I hardly new anyone." <- knew. :)
[20:33] <snap-l> rick_h: ^^
[20:33] <rick_h> bah
[20:34] <rick_h> ty much
[20:39] <snap-l> np
[21:03] <rick_h> and bookie stuff http://blog.mitechie.com/2012/03/16/bookie-pycon-2012-sprint-report/
[21:03] <rick_h> oops, guess that should be in #bookie