[00:04] wow, crazy stuff http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/tornado-destroys-homes-in-dexter-michigan-other-areas-hit-by-severe-weather-20120315-DK [00:17] brousch: it was very close [00:18] snap-l: the N = None; del N # confused me coming from a java/.net background [00:18] i just wait for patent expiration... just a few more years for the mp3 patents. [00:19] i'm sure they will be extended like copyrights [00:28] no [00:28] patents don't have that history. [00:28] i had a celebration when teh RSA patent expired. [00:33] JAY WREN [00:33] hi [00:48] hi jcastro [00:48] how are you? [00:48] i miss you, when are you moving back to MI? [00:48] hey, #ubuntu-us-mi am I the only one who doesn't care at all about ubuntu achievements? [00:58] shhhhh! [00:59] jrwren, I'm visiting on memorial day [01:02] YAY! [01:43] jrwren: I think achievements are pretty stupid [01:43] which is why I'm not on 4square [01:44] but, I acknowledge that some people need that pavlovian dog acknowledgement in order to excel [01:46] and yes, I'm happy that Patents expire, unlike copyrights which retire like Bret Farve or Ozzy Osbourne. [01:47] Frankly, I don't mind initial publish date + X years (where X < 50) [01:48] with additional (c) extension for 10 years if you publish a new edition of the work [01:48] at least it would keep the things that still have legs (like the Beatles and Steam Boat Willie) going, and give added incentive to keep shit in print [01:48] where X < 7 [01:49] fuk beatles and steam boat willy, they should be public [01:49] and let things that may not have monetary value go PD gracefully. [01:49] its not about monetary value, its about freedom [01:50] jrwren: I know [01:50] or rather, the problem is that it IS about monetary value instead of freedom [01:50] which is why I get extremely irritated when the Edgar Rice Burroughs estate starts sabre-ratling whenever someone publishes something against John Carter of Mars [01:50] It's PD. Get over it. [01:51] or the Howard estate re: Conan [02:47] snap-l: no calling 6am [02:48] going to be a rough night of transition me thinks [02:53] woot, new keyboard...let the awkward adjustment phase begin [11:06] morning [11:06] ugh [11:08] rick_h: wrong side of the bed , go back to bed and getup on the other side [11:16] rick_h: Good morning [11:16] and good morning, everyone else. [12:25] man, it's going to be a long day [12:25] rick_h: I can imagine [12:29] rick_h: you back in the M I? [12:29] yep [12:29] got in last night so starting to catch u\ [12:29] losing three hours coming back sucks [12:32] maybe 4 hours [12:32] do they do daylight savings in CA? [12:32] Only AZ and Hawaii neglect to celebrate DST [12:35] some parts of IN [12:35] they go county-by-county there [12:35] It's all restupid [12:36] brousch: yea, lost my hour there as well [12:37] hey apple-lovers http://aroberge.blogspot.com/2012/03/python-for-ios-first-look.html [12:38] I've seen enough apple to last me a while [12:38] forgive my typing as I get keyboard adjusted [12:39] rick_h: but for $3 you can play with a limited Python on an iOS device? [12:39] isn't that worth it for you? :) [12:39] well it's better than having no python ;) [12:42] Tendulkar reaches cricket milestone [12:42] Indian cricketer Sachin Tendulkar becomes first man to score 100 international centuries. [12:42] I will never, ever understand Cricket. [12:50] hm, time to dive into throwing exceptions. i don't know if i've ever done that before [12:50] from python? [12:50] yeah [12:50] raise Exception('message') [12:50] ^^ [12:50] or subclass Exception [12:50] shouldn't there be a different exception for different errors? [12:50] or the another Exception like ValueError, etc [12:51] right, so you can create subclasses to throw for the 'type' of error [12:51] ok [12:51] with a message specific to the exception [12:51] last time i did this was in java [12:52] i am kind of excited because i think if i change this program to use exceptions i can also make it testable [12:52] yay! [12:52] or more easily testable [12:53] right now it prints errors and exits, but those should really be logs and exceptions [12:54] right [12:55] so i've got that going and read python on android. fun days ahead [12:55] s/read/real/ [12:56] wheeeee [12:56] python to rule them all [12:56] you're not all pyed out yet? [12:57] no, I'm invigorated to start a python group out here [12:57] I need to find some place to host meetings [13:02] ho boy. [13:03] snap-l's house! [13:06] my goal is to get a PSF sponsored sprint before the year is out [13:11] bookie sprint? [13:11] no, needs to be more base python. Thinking a sprint to practice porting some lib to py3 [13:11] maybe something bookie uses :) [13:12] that would be cool [13:45] brousch: IN no longer goes county by county. the state as a whole joined EST/EDT like the rest of us, a few yrs ago. [13:47] oh shit... i'm wrong on that. [13:47] my family in IN lied to me! [13:47] ah, 2006, entire state began observing DST [13:47] but zone is still county by county. [13:47] *sigh* [13:48] heh [15:08] give me more movies like: Independence Day, Transformers, Battleship [15:09] ie: aliens coming to destroy humans but thank the effing lord we spend more money on the US Military than we should because it actually came in use for once [15:09] oh interesting [15:13] :) [15:14] I'm coming up empty, but I'm not good at these kinds of problems [15:15] yeah, me neither :) [15:16] I just saw the trailer for Battleship and... wow [15:16] heh, haven't seen it yet [17:18] brousch: opencv love http://pyvideo.org/video/674/militarizing-your-backyard-with-python-computer [17:21] ahahah [17:21] i will set it up to squirt those damn kids on my lawn [17:21] make george wear a red hat so he is exempt [17:24] greg-g: Alien military movies? [17:24] What about Starship Troopers? [17:24] (note: have not seen Starship Troopers) [17:27] MOst of the recent alien movies have been more of the "our military is useless against these things" [17:27] the only good thing in starship troopers is denise richards [17:29] greg-g: Work in a Mars Attacks reference. :) [17:31] Fuck, they're planning a Cloverfield 2 and District 10 [17:31] I actually liked district 9 [17:31] and yea, it was setup for a follow up [17:31] I want to seeit but haven't convinced JoDee [17:31] cloverfield I can do without [17:32] rick_h: Seriously? Hmm. [17:32] Thought once the hook was known it didn't need a follow-up [17:32] snap-l: yea, it's very different. I went and saw it by myself [17:33] Like Blair Witch Project. [17:33] Should never have been given a sequel. Ever. [17:33] I never saw that, but that seemed stupid. This was done kind of cool like discovery channel like [17:34] rick_h: Didn't see the first one, but seriously, it's like a haunted house [17:34] yea, not interested [17:34] once you know the hook of the haunted house, it's not scary anymore. [17:35] really wish Hollywood would leave well enough alone. [17:35] hah, this squirrel cannon is arduino powered [17:35] LIke Tron Legacy [17:35] I got the soundtrack out of it, so happy me [17:36] Yeah, the soundtrack was the best part. [17:37] i must be the only person who doesn't care for it [17:37] the tron soundtrack?! [17:37] yeah [17:37] WHich I was surprised since Wendy Carlos' Tron Soundtrack is one of my favorites. [17:37] boring and kind of annoying [17:37] brousch: What's your general feeling on electronic music? [17:38] i like some of it [17:38] Also, the CD sounds a LOT better than the MP3s [17:39] it looks i kept 2 tracks in my playlist: adiago for tron and end of line [17:39] soundtracks are meant to be listened to in whole [17:39] * rick_h has a ton of those in his queue...best coding music [17:40] brousch: Yeah, I initially thought it was pretty boring as well [17:40] i did listen to it in whole, and picked out those 2 as not annoying :P [17:40] but near the end is when it won me over. [17:40] ugh, brousch is broken. Send him in for repair [17:40] Meh, different strokes. [17:40] Tools still sucks [17:40] Tool! [17:41] *sigh* /me thinks he's hopelessly broken [17:41] brousch: Redeem yourself: http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/saros-labyrinth/ [17:42] if i remember right, the tron soundtrack had too much high pitch sound for me [17:43] Are you referring to Daft Punk's, or Wendy Carlos' soundtrack? [17:43] daft punk [17:43] yea, we're talking tron 2 right? [17:43] I didn't get high pitched at all [17:43] i don't think i've heard the tron 1 [17:44] yea, I mean I'd not classify it as high pitched [17:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzRWXn5KNFI [17:45] i may be remembering wrong [17:46] maybe it was just boring [17:47] Yeah, which makes it pretty good background music. [17:47] ;) [17:47] that, star trek, and inception are my big rotation these days [17:47] That Saros album is pretty awesome, IMHO [17:48] If anyone wants a copy, LMK [20:31] http://blog.mitechie.com/2012/03/16/pycon-2012-what-a-ride/ pycon retro [20:33] "Last year I hardly new anyone." <- knew. :) [20:33] rick_h: ^^ [20:33] bah [20:34] ty much [20:39] np [21:03] and bookie stuff http://blog.mitechie.com/2012/03/16/bookie-pycon-2012-sprint-report/ [21:03] oops, guess that should be in #bookie