[00:00] <gdea73> I'm suddenly having major problems with my 10.10 installation
[00:00] <waxstone> !es|urman
[00:00] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, yes, but, if I have a ext filesystem and try to format using mkt.ntfs it is supposed to give me an error, am I wrong?
[00:00] <gdea73> I was uninstalling FGLRX drivers, when I accidentally hit the standby button my new laptop, after which it wouldn't wake up.
[00:00] <xaviers3468> Ampix0:  I went away for a couple of minutes, did you find out how to set up your ssh server?
 everyfile will be larger by 0 to 3584 bytes
[00:00] <lagittaja> Hey guys. I'm in the process of dual booting win7 & ubuntu for F@H and I'm pretty much clear on the process except one thing, I'm gonna dedicate 20gb of space for ubuntu and I'm wondering about what type and size of partitions I need. I heard ext3 is recommend for folding?
[00:00] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: No. mkfs assumes that the user knows what they're doing and clobbers whatever happens to be there.
[00:01] <gdea73> I had to power it down manually, during which it made one loud click, and then when I restarted I was told there were errors on the filesystem. Then after that, /tmp wouoldn't mount on boot.
[00:01] <urman> is that we enter into all and I was told that I have here one week and I could install ubuntu: (
[00:01] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, so probably I forget to change it to ntfs
[00:01] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, thanks :D
 also may be some overhead differences in the filesystems, you sure there were no other files on the backup drive before you transferred?
[00:01] <anonymous_> hello
[00:02] <X-warrior> haz3lnut, i'm sure, a brand new hard disk
[00:02] <anonymous_> can someone tell me how to launch the software application manually?
[00:02] <Shojo> hi, what sodtware app?
[00:03] <MrBusiness> My 11.10 system does not seem to have an /etc/inittab file. Is there another file I should edit instead if I want to change my default run level at boot?
[00:04] <X-warrior> haz3lnut, any way, I'm doing a checksum sync right now just to check if something went wrong, thanks for your help men :D
[00:04] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, thanks for your help too! :D
 can you do a "du -sh" on each files system and see what the diff is?
 np
[00:04] <itaylor57> !runlevel | MrBusiness
[00:05] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: I think you're still somewhat confused. Msdos partition tables have partition "types". But the "type" of a partition according to the partition table doesn't actually reliably tell you what filesystem that partition contains.
[00:05] <urman> that it gives me black screen when installing ubuntu?
[00:05] <MrBusiness> Well, there we go
[00:05] <X-warrior> haz3lnut,  801gb to backup disk and 792gb  to normal one
[00:05] <centHOGG> hi
[00:06] <K350> is there anyone here that uses fetchmail, procmail and mutt?
[00:07] <waxstone> !es|urman
[00:07] <lagittaja> Hey guys. I'm in the process of dual booting win7 & ubuntu for F@H and I'm pretty much clear on the process except one thing, I'm gonna dedicate 20gb of space for ubuntu and I'm wondering about what type and size of partitions I need. I heard ext3 is recommend for folding?
[00:07] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: Among other things, there is only room for 255 different "types", yet there are more types of paritions than that possible and many types have collissions. For instance id 7 can mean HPFS/NTFS/exFAT, and id 82 can be Linux swap / Solaris.
[00:08] <Ampix0> xaviers3468 hey sorry. Ya i didnt do anything but install it im sure it's insecure as hell. Its working on the lan so far. how do i ftp though? dont see the option in putty.
[00:08] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, but cfdisk should show me the correct one, right?
[00:08] <niwix> whats da gnome ubuntu distro?
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> niw
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> niwix: ubuntu?
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> lol
[00:09] <niwix> yes
[00:09] <Nullifi3d> no thats it... ubuntu is the gnome distro
[00:09] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: cfdisk only knows about the partition id, it knows nothing about filesystems.
[00:10] <niwix> ubuntu comes by default with unity
[00:10] <niwix> and unity has aids
[00:10] <niwix> I want pure gnome
[00:10] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: "sudo parted -l" will report the correct filesystem because it's actually aware of filesystems. It checks what the blocks in the partition actually contain rather than just looking at the partition table.
[00:10] <niwix> any one? please? only need a name
[00:10] <Nullifi3d> niwix: switch to classic mode at login, or install an earlier version (like 10.10 or 10.04)
[00:10] <Jordan_U> niwix: Please keep your comments resonable and respectful.
[00:10] <wirkolaqs> Can I get help here?
[00:11] <arand> wirkolaqs: Yes, just ask
[00:11] <Jordan_U> !notunity | niwix
[00:11] <niwix> yes but, can It run gnome apps?
 just ask
[00:11] <wirkolaqs> oh
[00:11] <niwix> can it run gnome applications?
[00:11] <ubuntu> for some reason my laptop (this one) won't load into my ubuntu installation  I'm using a live cd right now...
[00:11] <Jordan_U> niwix: Any Desktop Environment can run any application.
 YES
[00:11] <wirkolaqs> how to make partition with win7 active one?
[00:11] <niwix> yes, but can it run gnome designed apps?
[00:12] <niwix> thanks haz3lnut
[00:12] <mylisto3> I'm trying to find out why the heck I can
[00:12] <mylisto3> I'm trying to find out why the heck I can't log into my ubuntu installation
[00:12] <wirkolaqs> I've tried to install Ubuntu
[00:13] <mylisto3> Now I can't access the grub boot menu when I hold shift down when I boot up the laptop
[00:13] <xaviers3468> Ampix0: to use SFTP you'll first need a SFTP client. You mentioned you had filezilla earlier, I'm not sure if that supports SFTP but popular as it is it should.
[00:13] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, so if parted -l says both of it are : Partition table: msdos and Filesystem: ntfs, both of it are really ntfs and my problem with the difference between the two hard disk is the Sector size.
[00:13] <Ampix0> oh fantastic. same port? 22?
[00:14] <xaviers3468> Ampix0: Otherwise, just google "sftp client [insert operating system here]
[00:14] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: If parted says they're both ntfs then they're both ntfs. I won't speculate on the difference you're seeing in space used.
[00:14] <Ampix0> xaviers3468. Thanks a lot man. im gunna go test this from home. need a dynamic DNS service for my buddy here but we'll be good
[00:14] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, ok! :D
[00:15] <xaviers3468> Ampix0: No problem. I'm off I have to fix windows :P.
[00:15] <testing321> gdea73, I think you physically messed up the harddrive or file system, I just did this recently on my ntfs file system, restarted in the middle of a read/write operation
[00:15] <mylisto3> anyone??
[00:16] <X-warrior> Jordan_U, really appreciate your help, thanks! :D
[00:16] <Masterman467> why does ubuntu fuck up linux so much? cant you make it work before adding dumb shit?
[00:16] <Masterman467> 3rd time i instaled it and locked up the computer
[00:16] <Masterman467> *so mad*
[00:16] <Jordan_U> X-warrior: You're welcome.
[00:17] <natethegreat1419> I was wondering if anybody could help me?
[00:17] <icedtea> Masterman467: are you by chance running the open source nvidia driver?
[00:18] <Masterman467> idk
[00:18] <natethegreat1419> I am looking for something that would automatically take screenshots and save them to a certain folder?
[00:18] <Masterman467> im back on win xp now.
[00:18] <mydogsnameisrudy> natethegreat1419:  look up motion
[00:18] <natethegreat1419> Thank you I will be right back mydogsnameisrudy
[00:18] <Masterman467> mydogsnameisrudy? tell rudy he is a good bow
[00:19] <Masterman467> boy
[00:19] <mydogsnameisrudy> hmmm that might be only web cam not sure
[00:19] <natethegreat1419> yea I just looked at it it is for webcam
[00:19] <zykotick9> mydogsnameisrudy: only a guess/hint - perhaps scrot and some scripting could work?
[00:20] <natethegreat1419> yea I am not that good at the whole scripting think
[00:20] <natethegreat1419> thing**
[00:20] <zykotick9> !info scrot
[00:21] <Elfe> Anyone tried Darktable? Why is the lowpass plugin missing?
[00:21] <mint_> natethegreat1419: you can try to write a scrot line into a crontab -e
[00:21] <zykotick9> mint_: i'm worried crontab might cause issues for grabbing the xorg screen?  perhaps not.
[00:22] <AliNarcis> salam kasi az iran hast ?
[00:22] <mint_> dont worry about that
[00:25] <velko> !fa | AliNarcis
[00:26] <kunji1> If you have 2 php files for an HTML page, how do you make their echoed statements append instead of overwriting each other?
[00:27] <kelzyeah>  I'm new to ubuntu (11/10) and am trying to get my webcam working in skype.  It works in Cheese and in Googletalk, but not in skype.  I've tried the v4lcompat.so workaround, and gstreamer-properties, where I got an error about an unloaded module.  04f2:b091 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Webcam is the 'lsusb' output for my webcam.  I believe this problem is somehow related to Xv not loading, but am not sure how to get it to load, as g
[00:27] <kelzyeah> streamer-propertie
[00:32] <Axsuul> What's the best way to get a service to start at boot?
[00:33] <yeta> Hi everyone
[00:33] <trelane> Axsuul: man update-rc.d :)
[00:33] <centHOGG> hi yeta
[00:34] <trelane> Axsuul: there's some syntax to it, but if it's got an init script (in /etc/iinit.d) update-rc.d is the ticket
[00:34] <yeta> im y3t4 & im looking for someone to help me to make a social network
[00:34] <yeta> not like facebook something more like diaspora
[00:34] <trelane> yeta: probably better to ask in a more apropos channel, IE a web development platform channel (have your credit card ready! :) )
[00:34] <Axsuul> trelane: thanks, what about chkconfig, can I also achieve it with that?
[00:34] <yeta> yeah sure
[00:35] <kunji1> Hmm, could someone help me join the ##php channel, I'm not very familiar with irc and am getting a message that "Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services"
[00:35] <yeta> i got the ideas and the most part of the code
[00:35] <trelane> kunji1: /join ##php
[00:35] <zykotick9> !register | kunji1
[00:35] <yeta> but i still needing someone else help
[00:36] <trelane> Axsuul: chkconfig IIRC is redhat-like, this is the debian/ubuntu version.  you can also (if ubuntu supports it) apt-get install rcconf which has a simple ui
[00:37] <kunji1> Thanks!  I really appreciate the help.
[00:37] <n00bprogrammer> is there any visual basic/vb.net channel that is not dead like #vb.net?
[00:37] <n00bprogrammer> sorry to ask in here but since this is the most populated channel  am in...
[00:37] <n00bprogrammer> I am in*
[00:38] <pangolin> n00bprogrammer, ##windows may have more useful suggestions
[00:38] <n00bprogrammer> ok, I will try there, thank you
[00:38] <trelane> n00bprogrammer: ask in #freenode perhaps?
[00:38] <pangolin> although probably not the best place to ask either
[00:38] <trelane> n00bprogrammer: ##windows is a good idea too :)
[00:40] <kelzyeah>  I'm new to ubuntu (11/10) and am trying to get my webcam working in skype.  It works in Cheese and in Googletalk, but not in skype.  I've tried the v4lcompat.so workaround, and gstreamer-properties, where I got an error about an unloaded module.  04f2:b091 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Webcam is the 'lsusb' output for my webcam.  I believe this problem is somehow related to Xv not loading, but am not sure how to get it to load, as g
[00:40] <kelzyeah> streamer-propertie
[00:41] <trelane> LOL
[00:43] <awxi> guys, ubuntu 10.10 comes with unity?
[00:44] <zykotick9> awxi: no, but it's support will end soonish, 10.04 has more support left
[00:44] <dlentz> awxi, not by default, there were ppa's iirc
[00:44] <awxi> what does support mean anyway?
[00:44] <awxi> updates?
[00:44] <zykotick9> awxi: updates="security updates"
[00:45] <awxi> so how do i get rid of unity?
[00:45] <awxi> I want my old gnome2 bac
[00:45] <Jordan_U> !notunity | awxi
[00:46] <zykotick9> awxi: consider gnome2 dead, xfce is popular alternative.  if you really want gnome2 lucid 10.04 is your best bet.
[00:46] <awxi> ubuntu amd64 can run i586 or not? does it have to have the i586 libs?
[00:46] <awxi> zykotick9, gnome2 is the winning mate.
[00:46] <mkultra_> id upgrade your i586
[00:47] <awxi> I don't have i586, I just want to know if it can run i586 code
[00:47] <mkultra_> or just use it for a server install and have it serve
[00:47] <centHOGG> athlon xp
[00:48] <mkultra_> oh yeah xp proc can run 586 686
[00:48] <dlentz> You can usually run 32-bit programs on 64-bit with no issue
[00:48] <awxi> does it need additional libs though?
[00:49] <dlentz> yes
[00:49] <awxi> which??
[00:49]  * trelane steals mkultra_'s mind
[00:49] <mkultra_> yeah
[00:49]  * trelane puts things in mkultra_'s water
[00:49] <mkultra_> the synaptic's file:386
[00:49] <mkultra_> thanks trelane it means alot to me
[00:50] <trelane> mkultra_: good choice for a nick :)
[00:50] <mkultra_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1836890
[00:50] <mkultra_> you can steal my mind there
[00:50] <awxi> should i get amd64 or ix86 ? pentium dual core
[00:50] <Daekdroom> awxi, how much RAM?
[00:51] <awxi> 2gb we're talkin here
[00:51] <Daekdroom> awxi, and are you going to work frequently with enconding/decoding, file compression etc?
[00:51] <zykotick9> awxi: with less then 4GB i'd suggest 32bit
[00:51] <centHOGG> desktop?
[00:51] <mkultra_> id get 64 4 dual core
[00:51] <awxi> yes daekdroom
[00:51] <Daekdroom> awxi, 64-bits has a performance boost for some tasks, but the RAM usage is higher also..
[00:52] <awxi> so 32..
[00:52] <awxi> thanks
[00:52] <Daekdroom> mkultra_, 64-bits has nothing to do with dual core performance.
[00:52] <mkultra_> my dual 1.6 ghz works fine with 64
[00:52] <mkultra_> i dont run much 32
[00:52] <centHOGG> xp 32
[00:53] <kunji1> Hmm, why does "/msg nickserv info nickname" not seem to return anything?
[00:53] <zykotick9> kunji1: #freenode for registration assistance
[00:54] <kunji1> Thank zykotick9, will do
[00:54] <awxi> thank vm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EN3K7laqo
[00:57] <liam__> Daekdroom: actully your wrong
[00:57] <liam__> it does have somthing to do with performance
[00:57] <centHOGG> awxi
[00:57] <awxi> ?
[00:58] <go8765> hello again i have some problems with hibernate, can i found help here?
[00:58] <Daekdroom> liam__, Yes. It does, but not because of dual core.
[00:58] <centHOGG> nm just testing
[00:58] <liam__> Daekdroom: no your correct my apolgise
[01:01] <waxstone> !language | awai
[01:01] <waxstone> awai that video is offensive
[01:02] <go8765> anyone?
[01:02] <krycek> repeat
[01:02] <go8765> hibernate pb
[01:02] <ozzloy> waxstone, i think you mean awxi
[01:02] <awxi> who's away? and what video? this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQyHtUeJYPE
[01:03] <waxstone> oops
[01:03] <krycek> poor dog :(
[01:03] <waxstone> Are there no admins in the channel?
[01:05] <krycek> no
[01:05] <dlentz> you can magically summon op with !op
[01:06] <pangolin> awxi, Please don't post links to offensive content.
[01:07] <krycek> yes, there are kids here
[01:08] <awxi> pangolin, how is that offensive?
[01:08] <awxi> It's only a cute song
[01:08] <CFHowlett> awxi   you already got booted from windows for porn...clean up your act.
[01:08] <awxi> pooorn?
[01:08] <awxi> wtf?
[01:09] <awxi> lol
[01:09] <pangolin> awxi, has nothing to do with Ubuntu for one, there is cursing which we do not allow and 3 it is gross.
[01:09] <stephan_> hello
[01:09] <waxstone> !ops
[01:09] <awxi> how is it cursing wanting to fuck a dog?
[01:09] <awxi> society is fucked up
[01:09] <FloodBot1> awxi: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:09] <krycek> lmfao kids..
[01:11] <LoneClock> What would be the best way to go about learning linux/ubuntu? dual booting it or just using it from a virtual machine?
[01:12] <CFHowlett> LoneClock   learning or using?
[01:12] <stephan_> i hv linux mint
[01:12] <Guest14722> Dual booting.
[01:13] <CFHowlett> LoneClock dual boot is the fastest performing option.
[01:15] <aaron_> hi, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, but my sound continues to come out my speakers even with my headphones plugged in.  anyone know what my problem might be? lspci says i have "Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device 1714"
[01:15] <stephan_> reinstall linux
[01:16] <LoneClock> CFHowlett for learning purposes
[01:16] <aaron_> stephan_: was that directed at me?
[01:17] <Dulak> aaron_: linux is not windows, I don't think your minor issue is worth a full reinstall so I hope he was talking to someone else
[01:17] <CFHowlett> LoneClock   read first.  In order of difficulty, easiest is to boot from CDROM/usb.  Next up is wubi (NOT a long-term solution).  After that is dualbooting.  Read these for general education:  http://fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads/
[01:17] <miyuki> when I move window to right side. window shown orange box, then gets half size of screen, the window
[01:18] <miyuki> why this happens?
[01:19] <miyuki> i have ubuntu 11.10 i think
[01:19] <miyuki> oneiric is the name
[01:22] <WilsonBradley> Can someone help me remove Speech_dispatcher ? It broke my audio and gives errors at boot.. :-(
[01:26] <escott> aaron_, not uncommon with intel hda audio
[01:27] <escott> aaron_, http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Help_To_Debug_Intel_HDA
[01:27] <curiousx> salut a tout le monde
[01:27] <escott> miyuki, its window sticking. its intended feature you can probably disable it in ccsm
[01:28] <miyuki> escott, thenk you your kindness. how to disable?
[01:28] <curiousx> i need help =P
[01:28] <escott> miyuki, you would have to install ccsm. and be warned messing with the wrong settings in ccsm can break unity
[01:28] <escott> !ccsm | miyuki
[01:29] <curiousx> how can i set gnome desktop by default instead of kde in command line ?
[01:30] <curiousx> one time i solve it, but this time i cant find the command =( i remember the command begins with "set"
[01:32] <curiousx> i mean, when i bootup my pc try to run kde, configure it to go into the desktop without writing password in the gdm =P
[01:32] <mylisto23> I'm trying to find out why my 10.04 installation isn't loading
[01:33] <curiousx> so goes directly to kde but kde give me a segmentation fault =P
[01:33] <mylisto23> yesterday someone had mentioned holding down the shift key when booting the laptop...that worked and I was able to see the grub menu...
[01:33] <mylisto23> now when I hold the shift key down nothing happens
[01:33] <curiousx> so, i want to define that gnome begins instead of kde and trouble will be solved =)
[01:33] <miyuki> escott: i have compizconfig tool, but why does i click on drag window to right side then it becomes orange and half the window?
[01:35] <escott> miyuki, because thats what that feature does. the intended use is to quickly and easily arrange two windows side by side. you just drag them a little past the edge and they fill half the screen. you will have to find it in the settings and disable it. it will be called edge something
 it's a feature. when you drag all the way to edge, it does that to make room for another window on the other side.
[01:36] <WilsonBradley> Can someone help me remove Speech_dispatcher ? It broke my audio and gives errors at boot.. :-(
[01:36] <curiousx> please :'(
[01:36] <saures> mylisto23: you ever run the update-grub in ubuntu?
[01:36] <mylisto23> not sure saures:
[01:37] <mylisto23> saures: how can I do that with a livecd?
[01:37] <saures> mylisto23: why?
[01:37] <escott> !patience curiousx
[01:37] <mylisto23> well
[01:37] <miyuki> escott: haz3lnut what is plugin name?? which plugin?
[01:37] <mylisto23> I can't access my installation...how else am I going to update it?
[01:37] <escott> miyuki, i dont use unity/i dont know
[01:38] <saures> !details | mylisto23
[01:38] <escott> !patience | curiousx
[01:38] <saures> mylisto23: download supergrub and use it to get in and run a sudo update-grub from the installed ubuntu.
[01:39] <curiousx> ok, escott thx
[01:39] <[deXter]> Any recommendations for a Visio alternative?
[01:39] <[deXter]> I want something to make process/flow charts.
[01:40] <saures> mylisto23: down load this and burn to disc is is really small and for booting. http://www.supergrubdisk.org/super-grub2-disk/
[01:40] <mylisto23> saures: should I get rescataux?
[01:40] <dj_segfault> deXter: I really like Dia for that sort of thing.
[01:40] <mylisto23> it seems like it has super grub2 + other features
[01:41] <saures> mylisto23: you can but the grub2 is all that is needed to get in.
[01:41] <escott> [deXter], the most recent version of libreoffice can read visio apparently?
[01:41] <d21anthony> Hello Everyone, I am a recent convert from windows and a web designer - I use the CS4 Creative sweet (mainly photoshop, illustrator, indesign) I've tried Gimp and Im to set in my ways. Now , in my research I've found theres two methods, Virtual Box, Wine, or dual boot. Whats best and Why?
[01:41] <dj_segfault> I like Dia because it stores the files as XML you can tweak, and has plugins for special applications.  It's also cross-platform
[01:41] <escott> [deXter], at least thats my vague memory from a few weeks ago
[01:42] <waxstone> [deXter], look into "Dia Diagram Editor" http://projects.gnome.org/dia/
[01:42] <escott> !best | d21anthony
[01:43] <d21anthony> This wasn't really a poll question - it's more of a your experiences question
[01:44] <d21anthony> I researched this extensively and your my last resort
[01:44] <d21anthony> Theres alot of schools of thought out there.
[01:45] <stephan_> Hallo hat zu hitler der Sohn ab Gott dem Gott ab Krieg Ihre Seele wird getrunken vom Teufel gelassen und lässt den Ablauf ab Leben ist ewig
[01:45] <escott> d21anthony, they have tradeoffs what are your needs/budget/tolerance for imperfection/hardware etc
[01:46] <america> i just had to do a hard reset cause ubuntu froze on me, and now the icon's in the file browser don't show up
[01:46] <america> i did a fsck after it rebooted and it fixed a couple things and then booted up nicely
[01:47] <america> but now, something isn't right
[01:47] <america> no icons for anything
[01:47] <escott> america, nautilus didnt start or crashed right after it started. it happens from time to time just start it manually. if it is happening regularly thats different
[01:48] <america> i rebooted several again twice after, and it still didn't start
[01:48] <escott> america, and if you start nautilus manually does it draw the desktop
[01:49] <Onixs> which folder  is more appropriate to install a zip file , /usr/home or /root ?
[01:49] <escott> Onixs, neither
[01:49] <america> escott: i did nautilus -q and it worked
[01:49] <mimoid> Can someone tell me what Ubuntu packages along with GNOME for a hard disk utility? I need to check the smart values of a harddisk and also possibly adjust how often it parks.
[01:49] <america> thank you
[01:49] <dj_segfault> Onixs: That depends what's in it.
[01:50] <CFHowlett> !de|Stephan
[01:50] <d21anthony> Preferably, I would like to be able to use CS4  use/ save files that can be accessed by ubuntu and CS4 . I have a 320gb hdd and 4gb ram
[01:50] <escott> Onixs, system wide binaries not managed through apt should either be in /usr/local/bin or /opt
[01:50] <Mongoose_> My monitor is on the brinks  and looks like I need another. Running Natty here and was thinking of another Samsung. What should I watch out for when purchasing a monitor so it is compatible with Natty?
[01:51] <Onixs> escott , its more of a python script
[01:52] <escott> d21anthony, so virtualization is nice because you can use ubuntu and cs4 at the same time, but (a) you have to have another license for windows and maybe cs4 (b) you have to divide your ram which might be a problem if you are working with large images
[01:52] <Onixs> errr, pyload .sorry
[01:52] <dj_segfault> Onixs: If it's just one script, you can put it in /usr/local/bin.  If it's a bunch of files that make up an application, I like creating a directory under /opt
[01:52] <d21anthony> hmmmm,
[01:52] <escott> d21anthony, wine costs no additional windows license but i don't know how the support is (check winehq's app compatibility list)
[01:52] <escott> d21anthony, and dual boot is dual boot
[01:53] <escott> d21anthony, and yet another option is virtualizing ubuntu as a guest under windows
[01:53] <saintbasil> Question: I'm installing lucid lynx alternate cd on an old computer w/ a new HDD. It doesn't recognize my HDD and offers some drivers to use. However none of the drivers seem to follow a make/model pattern...so how do I know which driver to pick for my seagate barracuda hdd?
[01:53] <Loshki> d21anthony: that probably rules out wine right there, since according to http://appdb.winehq.org, photoshop under cs4 doesn't run under wine....
[01:53] <d21anthony> right, I saw that
[01:53] <d21anthony> grr
[01:54] <d21anthony> Im at a point where as much as I dont want to - I may have to do a dual boot
[01:54] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: The hard drive is not recognized?  What kind of hard drive is it?  That's unusual
[01:54] <escott> d21anthony, if you decide to virtualize it may be worth spending $50 to double your ram
[01:54] <saures> Mongoose_: I think you would have a hard time finding one that didn't work, you might to know that natty is end of life in april.
[01:55] <d21anthony> Is there a way I can share a folder on both sides or something - kinda like a tunnell
[01:55] <saures> *like
[01:55] <d21anthony> I think my ram is maxed out it's a notebook
[01:55] <Loshki> d21anthony: as for dual-boot vs. virtualbox, it comes down to whether you need to run linux and windows simultaneously or not/
[01:55] <dj_segfault> d21anthony: Yes, that's easy, since Linux can read and write NTFS.
[01:55] <escott> d21anthony, ubuntu can read/write ntfs. virtualbox has its guest additions
[01:55] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: it's a brand new seagate barracuda 500 gb 7200. It is not recognized because the firmware can't recognize HDDs that big (my guess), so I'd like to make a small aprtition. But I need to pick a driver first to do that
[01:55] <motherbrain> does anybody know what arch then ZTE cricket phone is using is it ARM11 or something else the OS on it is 2.3 gingerbread
[01:55] <dj_segfault> d21anthony: Just put the files on the Windows side and you'll be able to get it from both OSes
[01:56] <hopstafarian> hi all...trying to reset my forgotten mysql root password...am have done the skip-grant-tables command and logged in as root...anyone know what comes next?
[01:56] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: If the BIOS can't deal with a hard drive that big then no drivers are going to help you.
[01:56] <d21anthony> Thank you all, your input has been really helpful
[01:56] <saures> Mongoose_: doh sorry natty has another year past april my bad.
[01:57] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: One possibility is that it's not the absolute size, but number of cylinders.  Since it's all logical these days maybe you can calculate a different geometry with fewer cylinders that comes out to the same size.
[01:57] <Mongoose_> Saures , thanks for the info
[01:57] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: well I'd like to try, I just need to know how to interpret  the esoteric driver names in terms of easily understood HDD names like western digital or seagate
[01:58] <psusi> saintbasil, shouldn't need any special driver... is this ide or sata?
[01:58] <dj_segfault> Like I said, drivers are not going to help you.
[01:58] <saintbasil> psusi: sata
[01:58] <Loshki> saintbasil: I'd be worried your disk is DOA, depending on what you mean by 'not recognised'...
[01:58] <psusi> saintbasil, virtually all sata controller chips are AHCI compliant so the normal AHCI driver should just work
[01:58] <Onixs> its a buch of scrip. so /opt then. thanks dj_segfault
[01:58] <saintbasil> Loshki: I hope not
[01:58] <Mongoose_> Running Natty 11.04 here. What is the next upgrade and are all the "kinks" been worked out?
[01:59] <Onixs> bunch of script*
[01:59] <saintbasil> psusi: i don't see anything labeled "ahci" on the driver list. I'm seeing things like "3w-9xxx"..."friq"...etc
[01:59] <psusi> Mongoose_, 11.10 comes next
[01:59] <saintbasil> I'm going down the list it gives but it';s a long one
[02:00] <KBentley57> hey guys, I'm having some weird network problems.  I can ping a pc (windows) on my network, remote desktop to it, use the "connect to server" to connect to it, but when I click on "Browse the network" in nautilus, It says Opening "WORKGROUP" for a while, then spits an error "Unable to mount location"
[02:00] <dj_segfault> Onixs: If there's one script that starts the program, you can create a directory under /opt then make a symbolic link to that script in your path, like "ln -s /opt/foo/foo.py /usr/local/bin/foo"
[02:00] <KI7MT> saintbasil, Another thing to consider, the drive itself does not ahve a "driver per say", the drive controller does, be it sata scsi or hda. if the drive it not being seen, its more than likely the drive controller driver, not the drive itself.
[02:00] <saures> Mongoose_: oneiric and has been out for about 5 months
[02:00] <psusi> saintbasil, the regular ahci driver is loaded by default... try the livecd
[02:00] <fbdystang> Hi, I just swapped out my comcast modem and my new one has a build in router. I can't access my ubuntu server now. Is it possible to access it by just plugging an ethernet cable between the new modem/router and my old router? Thanks
[02:01] <Mongoose_> If I install 11.10 and don't care for it is it easy to go back to 11.04 without disturbing anything? I never upgraded and this Natty is my first time with ubuntu
[02:01] <saintbasil> psusi: the live cd install routine didn't recognize it either. tried PP as well as LL
[02:01] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, generally, you can't go backwards
[02:01] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: What, what make and model is the hard drive?
[02:01] <KI7MT> saintbasil, is it being displayed in your BIOS?
[02:01] <Mongoose_> ok thanks
[02:01] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: seagate, barracuda, ST3500641AS-RK. 7200 rpm
[02:01] <psusi> fbdystang, what do you mean?  you mean you can't access your computer from elsewhere?  or that you have multiple computers locally and they can't see each other?
[02:02] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, Might I suggest, if you're comfortable with it, to install virtualbox?  and try 11.10 in a "sandboxed" enviorment?
[02:02] <psusi> saintbasil, boot the livecd and open the disk utility and see if it at least sees the controller
[02:02] <fbdystang> psusi: I can't access it from elsewhere
[02:02] <Mongoose_> ok , will give that some thought KBentley57
[02:02] <saures> Mongoose_: you could clone the Natty then upgrade, see clonezilla.org
[02:02] <saintbasil> KI7MT: I don't know as the bios is apple firmware, as it is an imac g5 which is proven to work with LL. The HDD is another story I suppose
[02:02] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: I ask because I've read that certain external Seagate drives don't implement the real SCSI/ATAPI/etc interface, and actually do need drivers, so they don't work under Linux.
[02:02] <psusi> fbdystang, then you need to configure the router to forward the appropriate ports, same as the old one
[02:02] <Mongoose_> thanks
[02:03] <america> nautilus won't start after boot
[02:03] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, have you every used any type of virtualization?
[02:03] <fbdystang> psusi: ahhh, I think you are right. I will try and get back
[02:03] <Mongoose_> no
[02:03] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: that would suck. i cringe at the thought of having to pay special attention to what hardware I can buy. It's happened before with printers...
[02:03] <Loshki> fbdystang: does comcast give you the password to your router/modem?
[02:03] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: This is internal, right?
[02:03] <saintbasil> yes
[02:03] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, open the software center, and install VirtualBox
[02:03] <fbdystang> Loshki: I had it for the old one, so I sure hope so
[02:04] <dj_segfault> Then it's not a problem.  These were USB external hard drives.
[02:04] <KBentley57> after it's installed, you can play around / read up with it
[02:04] <L3top> KBentley57: if he wants to check out performance, etc, vbox is not really an ideal test platform... esp with 3d accel etc. I think Mongoose_ is much better off with the clonezilla idea
[02:04] <dj_segfault> saintbasil:  Do you have another computer you can hook it up to as a test?
[02:04] <america> im having to issue "nautilus -q" after boot
[02:04] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: no. I have a laptop but no enclosure
[02:05] <KBentley57> L3top, first time linux user, never used virtualization, how scary does cloning your hd sound?  Thats a disaster waiting to happen
[02:05] <Mongoose_> virtualbox ose?
[02:05] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: and I got it at a best buy, so if I take it in and say "it doesnt work with linux" everyone's heads are gonna explode
[02:05] <curiousx> solved =P
[02:05] <Mongoose_> ok
[02:05] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, no offense, I just know how confusing it can at first
[02:05] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, yes, ose
[02:05] <Mongoose_> :>))
[02:05] <fbdystang> psusi: Let me see if this works: my new router can port forward to the old router, and my old router can assign itself a fixed ip?
[02:06] <psusi> saintbasil, also check that you have the drive connected properly and you might see if it has a jumper to force SATA I mode... some controllers are buggy and fail to negotiate with SATA II drives
[02:06] <L3top> it is incredibly easy, and fairly foolproof. whereas dealing with guest addons etc for subpar performance on vesa drivers... it sounds like a brilliant idea.
[02:06] <Mongoose_> well not sure to go with virtual or clonezilla
[02:06] <Loshki> fbdystang: I would be surprised if comcast allows customers to configure comcast equipment. Sounds like a support nightmare...
[02:06] <psusi> fbdystang, just leave out the old router
[02:06] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, the issue is having a real experience, vs testing the os
[02:06] <L3top> just my opinion.
[02:06] <Mongoose_> got it
[02:07] <saintbasil> psusi: oh you're right, the jumper may be defaulted to the wrong pins...though defaulting a HDD to slave seems like a bonehead move
[02:07] <Mongoose_> I can understand that! Better safe than sorry
[02:07] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, with virtualbox, you don't risk the threat of trashing your current system
[02:07] <psusi> saintbasil, there is no such thing as master/slave with sata
[02:07] <L3top> plus... at the end of the day, you end up with a clone you can always revert to if you encounter other problems
[02:07] <psusi> saintbasil, the cable can only be connected to a single drive
[02:07] <Mongoose_> and i can try or use it for a week and then just unistall it is that correct?
[02:07] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, with a clone backup, you can try 11.10 for real, and go back to 11.04 later
[02:07] <fbdystang> Loshki, it is a modem/router. I assume they have to give me access to configure the router part of it
[02:07] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, yes
[02:08] <just> a partition in my ubuntu can't run  copy and paste
[02:08] <Mongoose_> ok, thanks for the info. Getting tired here and going to hit the sack. Thanks for your help
[02:08] <saintbasil> psusi: I did remember seeing a jumper with pins, that's all. I can check it against the old one, since they're identical except capacity
[02:08] <KBentley57> Mongoose_, np
[02:08] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: Google says that drive has no jumpers.  As I would expect from a SATA drive.  There is no master/slave
[02:08] <hylian> i want to know how to install kde as minimally as possible. I don't want kubuntu, I want kde minimal install
[02:08] <Mongoose_> Good Night
[02:08] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: then i've been looking at HDDs for too long :(
[02:08] <hylian> Mongoose_, goodnight!
[02:08] <KBentley57> hylian, have you ever tried the ubuntu minimal install?
[02:08] <L3top> You dont need to uninstall, if you clone, you will just overwrite the new install with the clone, whereas part of your hard drive will be eaten up in a vdi on virtual, which is not intuitive to get rid of. It doesnt simply go away if you uninstall vbox
[02:09] <hylian> KBentley57, not what I asked for, thanks.
[02:09] <saures> hylian: there is a minimal cd a net install you choose what you want.
[02:09] <dj_segfault> hylian: I think you install kde-base and it brings in what it needs from there.
[02:09] <L3top> night.
[02:09] <I440r> why does ubuntu not follow the FSH?
[02:09] <CFHowlett> !minimal|saure
[02:09] <hylian> saures, again not what I asked for, but thanks.
[02:09] <KBentley57> hylian, I know, but it has the option of installing a minimal system, from which you can grab the kde bits you want
[02:09] <psusi> saintbasil, check the manual for the new drive... usually there is a jumper you can set to force SATA I ( 1.5 Gpbs ) mode.. it usually isn't needed, but some controllers are buggy... and also boot the livecd, open the disk utility and see if it at least sees the SATA Host Adapter... if it sees that, but not the drive, then it's either connected wrong, needs that fall back jumper, or is doa
[02:09] <hylian> dj_segfault, thanks, that's what Iwanted... :)
[02:09] <saures> CFHowlett: send that to hylian
[02:09] <just> a partiton in ubuntu can't run copy and paste
[02:10] <dj_segfault> hylian: Yes, I know how to read
[02:10] <CFHowlett> !minimal|hylian
[02:10] <mimoid> Can someone tell me what Ubuntu packages along with GNOME for a hard disk utility?
[02:10] <psusi> I440r, you mean FHS?  it does
[02:10] <CFHowlett> saures   sorry, I read your message as "Is there" not "There is"
[02:10] <I440r> erm thats what i meant. i cant type
[02:10] <america> can anyone tell me why im having to issue "nautilus -q" after i login?
[02:10] <I440r> and no it doesnt
[02:10] <KI7MT> saintbasil, so just to be clear on the actual problem, you put a new drive in a mac laptop then tried to install Ubuntu via LiveCD or Alt CD and it failed to pickup the new hdd?
[02:10] <Loshki> fbdystang: the average comcast customer wouldn't know a modem/router if they sat on it. Even fewer would know how to configure one. Fewer still would know how to troubleshoot the result. Nothing personal, I just don't see what's in it for comcast. They'd rather lock the boxes...
[02:10] <I440r> at least not with terminfo
[02:10] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: Actually, is it possible the new drive is 6GB/s and your motherboard can't support that
[02:10] <hylian> KBentley57, i don't want to reinstall ubuntu, i simply wanted to just install kde, with existing dektop environments. thanks for the quick response though, you too saures
[02:10] <psusi> mimico, the GNOME disk utility, and gparted
[02:10] <I440r> terminfo does not belong in /lib/terminfo it should be in /usr/share/terminfo
[02:11] <mimoid> psusi: what is the gnome disk utility called exactly? If I google for it I just get gparted.
[02:11] <KBentley57> hylian, Oops, sorry.  I thought you had meant you wanted a clean install "Bare system"
[02:11] <mimoid> gnome-disk-utility?
[02:11] <mimoid> psusi: seems so
[02:11] <iandan> Hi, I know we're on #ubuntu, but I'm curious, what is the main reason you stick to using Ubuntu and not changing to MacOS (let's say Windows is not an alternative)?
[02:11] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: im looking at the manual now and indeed there is a jumper to limit it to 1.5 gb/s, just dont know if it's set by default. continuing to read before i take it apart again
[02:12] <KBentley57> gnome-disk-utility indeed
[02:12] <saintbasil> KI7MT: correct
[02:12] <CFHowlett> landan please take this convo to #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:12] <psusi> iandan, because MacOS is proprietary and comes on overpriced hardware
[02:12] <KBentley57> +1.  I would snatch a macbook in a heartbeat, if they werent so overpriced.
[02:12] <psusi> saintbasil, it's not set by default
[02:13] <I440r> psusi, so why is terminfo not where the fhs says it should be ?
[02:13] <hylian> KBentley57, no, i'll save that for when 12.04 comes out... LOL
[02:13] <psusi> I440r, good question... that's odd
[02:13] <dj_segfault> mimoid: There's a command line program smartctl that can get SMART reports and trigger tests
[02:13] <saintbasil> psusi: ya that makes sense. guess i'm off to get the screwdrivers *exasperated*
[02:13] <I440r> is that a debianism?
[02:13] <L3top> Open Source.
[02:13] <psusi> I440r, probably
[02:13] <iandan> CFHowlett, no problem, I'll go there
[02:13] <I440r> ok i shud go bish at them tho (nicely :))
[02:14] <I440r> "then"
[02:14] <CFHowlett> iandan   thanks for understanding...
[02:14] <KBentley57> hylian, I love the bare install.  It's especially handy when you're between updates.  It grabs the newest packages, whereas installing say 11.10 now would install, then have to grab mounds of updates
[02:14] <KI7MT> saintbasil, well one way to test it is putting the original drive back in, and getting to the point of install where it does the hard drive detect. If it picks up you older drive, then you know the issue is with the new drive somehow.
[02:14] <saintbasil> dj_segfault, psusi, KI7MT: thank you for the help, I think I've discovered my problem and I'll try the fix now
[02:14] <hylian> dj_segfault, thanks again. I see a base apps package, is that what you meant?
[02:15] <saintbasil> KI7MT: I'll try that as well
[02:15] <dlentz> saintbasil, imac5 should read sata2 drives fine
[02:15] <saintbasil> dlentz: oh
[02:15] <hylian> KBentley57, I would too, if I didn't have slow net, along with a cap on how much I can download. suffice it to say, i love the local library for nice broadband.
[02:15] <dlentz> older intel sb's (ich4/5) had the "need to force sata 1.5gb/s" issue
[02:16] <dlentz> imac5 appears to use ich7 southbridge
[02:16] <aaron_> hi, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, but my sound continues to come out my speakers even with my headphones plugged in.  anyone know what my problem might be? lspci says i have "Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc Device 1714"
[02:16] <dj_segfault> hylian:  It looks like that will do what you want.
[02:16] <psusi> dlentz, and that's a regular AHCI controller right?  so should just work out of the box...
[02:16] <dlentz> psusi, ideally..
[02:17] <dj_segfault> But there is a package kdebase, which is what i was thinking of.  At least in my 10.04.
[02:17] <dj_segfault> saintbasil: So what was the problem?
[02:18] <hylian> dj_segfault, yep, thanks again. I just really don't need all the extras that comes with kde. I'd rather use my own software for that stuff. hard to beat pcmanfm or thunar for speed, leafpad for notes, all much faster than what comes with gnome 3 unity or regular kde from kubuntu.
[02:18] <saintbasil> dj_segfault: I thought it needed to be speed limited, but dlentz said it can take sata 2 just fine
[02:18] <hylian> thanks dj_segfault, KBentley57 and saures!
[02:19] <dlentz> aaron_, see if you can get more detailed info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[02:19] <KBentley57> hylian, welcome
[02:19] <kevo> Who here is a Gnomie or watches Chris Pirillo's Videos there has to be at least someone
[02:19] <KBentley57> kevo, gnomie?
[02:20] <dj_segfault> hylian: hylian As an experiment, I would try installing "kdelibs" instead of "kdebase" then install the app you want
[02:20] <CFHowlett> kevo   perhaps in #gnome
[02:20] <kevo> You don' know what a gnomie is
[02:20] <KBentley57> kevo, yes, I'm sorry, I like to ask rhetoric questions.
[02:20] <hylian> dj_segfault, i think i'll try that, you think it will give an even simpler install?
[02:21] <dj_segfault> Installing kdelibs *should* give you the ability to run KDE applications while not actually running KDE.  I think I did that on a system once
[02:21] <kr00l> Quick question. What's the best wireless chipset for Ubuntu? I need a new PCI-E WiFi card
[02:22] <dj_segfault> hylian: Why not just install the app and let it pull in the dependencies it needs?  That's what package management is all about.
[02:23] <hylian> dj_segfault, i actually do want kde, i just want the basics though, not all the other stuff the kubuntu package installs. that's what i was trying to get too.
[02:23] <KI7MT> kr00l, My preference ins and has always been intel but here's the supported HW list: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessCardsSupported
[02:23] <kr00l> KI7MT thx
[02:23] <dj_segfault> hylian:  Then I would install kdebase.
[02:24] <stephan_> uhou cant you ?'
[02:24] <stephan_> you can use an hex editor for touhou cant you ?
[02:25] <hylian> dj_segfault, i did, and thanks for that. kde base is what i was looking for. so is there a unity base, or gnome 3 base?
[02:25] <KBentley57> there is a unity hylian
[02:25] <KBentley57> if you for instance (what I do on clean installs) just do a sudo apt-get install unity, it will grab the shell that is unity
[02:25] <KBentley57> there is also a gnome-shell
[02:26] <hylian> KBentley57, a unity base package with minimum install?
[02:26] <KBentley57> hylian, yeah, all it includes is the launcher, and search box
[02:27] <KBentley57> you even have to install gnome-terminal if you want it, that's how bare it is..lol
[02:27] <hylian> KBentley57, i was asking if there where also base packages for those desktops. in other words minimum installs. I don't need all the stuff the full unity, gnome 3 and kubuntu version of kde have you install.
[02:27] <hylian> KBentley57, that's beautiful!
[02:28] <KBentley57> hylian, there is a bare install of basically anything.  Remember, they all *use* ubuntu
[02:28]  * hylian is happy to know minimal installs are available :)
[02:28] <KBentley57> hylian, what you use on top of ubuntu is the desktop enviornment
[02:29] <KBentley57> hylian, the best part is, the minimal install iso is only 26 mb
[02:29] <hylian> KBentley57, yeah, I know. but i thought all de's where packaed with stuff and that was your only option. I'm an openbox man myself.
[02:30] <curiousx> cya all
[02:30] <KBentley57> hylian, absolutely not!  That's the beauty.  Speaking of openbox, I tried that myself the other day
[02:30] <hylian> well i gotta go, gotta log out :)
[02:34] <curious_> hello! does anyone know when you create a bootable USB stick for ubuntu what happens to any files/ saves?
[02:35] <dkt> Hello. ould someone please tell me what this means or how to fix it? Thank you.
[02:35] <aaron_> hi, i just installed ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop, but my sound continues to come out my speakers even with my headphones plugged in.  anyone know what my problem might be? here's the also info for my machine: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=0499bcd79408be5fb0453b2c08078e1fef09d77a
[02:35] <KBentley57> curious_, it gets saved on the usb drive itself in persistent storage
[02:35] <curious_> thank you
[02:35] <dkt> :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
[02:35] <dlentz> aaron_, see if you can get more detailed info https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[02:36] <KBentley57> aaron_, can you click on the speaker and select sound setting?
[02:36] <xangua> !register | dkt
[02:36] <dkt> ok how ?
[02:36] <dkt> oh ok thank you
[02:36] <aaron_> dlentz: i appended the info to my msg above
[02:36] <dlentz> oh, i see
[02:36] <aaron_> KBentley57: i can open up sound settings, but i don't see anything that might suggest turning the speakers off with headphones in
[02:37] <KBentley57> aaron_, do you have th hardware, input, output, and applications tabs?
[02:37] <aaron_> KBentley57: ya, i do
[02:37] <xpr3ss> how to learn code in ubuntu??
[02:37] <KBentley57> aaron_, what do you see in the hardware tab
[02:37] <xpr3ss> where to start?? (programming)
[02:38] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, what language would you like to learn?
[02:38] <CFHowlett> xpr3ss   read up http://fullcirclemagazine.org/downloads/
[02:38] <aaron_> KBentley57: two devices: "Internal Audio/Analog Stereo Duplex" and "Internal Audio/Digitao Stereo (HDMI) Output"
[02:38] <xpr3ss> thank you CFHowlett, @KBentley57 any preferably beginning with most simple or basic and then working my way up to more difficult programming
[02:39] <KBentley57> aaron_, about the output tab
[02:39] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, many people say python is easier to learn than c or c++.
[02:40] <aaron_> KBentley57: in the output tab, two devices: "Internal Audio Digital Stereo (HDMI) and Internal Audio Anaalog Stereo"
[02:40] <xpr3ss> KBentley57 man, im in school right now and i honestly hate c++
[02:40] <KBentley57> aaron_, select internal audio analog stereo, and for the connector, what options are available
[02:40] <xpr3ss> i figure it'd be easier to learn myself than keep dishing out a couple grand each semester
[02:41] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, i agree, ive taught myself almost all the coding i know
[02:41] <KI7MT> xpr3ss, I'd start with python as it's use extensively in Ubuntu or C/C++ they can and are used everywhere Linux.
[02:41] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, have you tried the Sams books?
[02:41] <aaron_> KBentley57: after selecting internal audio analog stereo in the output tab, the only settings i see are "Balance: left to right"
[02:42] <dlentz> aaron_, you might need something like this in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf:  options snd-hda-intel model=ideapad
[02:42] <h4ckm3> c++ is awesome dude
[02:42] <h4ckm3> so many powers
[02:42] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, ISBN 0-672-32711-2, i just recommended that book to one of my students, they're great intro books
[02:42] <xpr3ss> KBentley57 have not tried sams books
[02:42] <KBentley57> aaron_, you don't have a connector pull down menu?
[02:42] <xpr3ss> okay great thanks
[02:43] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, its c++ of course, but there are many in that series
[02:43] <hylian> KBentley57, sorry I cut you off mid sentence
[02:43] <KBentley57> hylian, its cool, i know we all have to leave at some point
[02:43] <aaron_> KBentley57: i don't believe i do unless i need to move to a different tab.  Under "settings for the selected device" the only setting is for balance
[02:43] <aaron_> KBentley57: should i have my headphones plugged in already?
[02:44] <xpr3ss> okay, appreciate it, how bout programs to run code in??
[02:44] <hylian> KBentley57, yeah, had to log out.
[02:44] <aaron_> dlentz: so i tried that, but do i need to reboot before any changes take effect?
[02:44] <Grymmoire> I try to use wubi to get my computer to be able to boot Ubuntu from the CD (since it will not do it already like most computers) and I get this
[02:44] <Grymmoire> AttributeError: 'WindowsBackend' object has no attribute 'cd_path'
[02:44] <dlentz> you need to reload alsa: sudo alsa force-reload
[02:44] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, all you *require* is already installed - gcc.  If you want an IDE, I like netbeans
[02:44] <KBentley57> you can code in notepad if you want
[02:45] <KBentley57> aaron_, i don't think it should matter
[02:45] <hylian> KBentley57, if your not too busy, this is what my desktop looks like: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YDn4455GJBU/T2DdIMhW-dI/AAAAAAAAASg/8gAWNqfeRjI/s320/obmenu.png
[02:45] <KBentley57> aaron_, have you ever used pastebin?
[02:45] <Grymmoire> Anyone know how I can get Ubuntu to load off the CD?
[02:45] <apporc> Hello everyone. I got one problem\
[02:45] <xpr3ss> oh okay, im still adjusting to ubuntu, so used window and visual basic.
[02:45] <xpr3ss> Grymmoire Boot option
[02:45] <aaron_> KBentley57: ya, is there something else i can give you to help me?
[02:46] <xpr3ss> usually f12 on most laptops n desktops
[02:46] <Grymmoire> xpr3ss: I already tried the boot menu earlier, I don't have the option to boot from CD at all
[02:46] <hylian> KBentley57, sent you the wrong one, that was the thumb nail... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YDn4455GJBU/T2DdIMhW-dI/AAAAAAAAASg/8gAWNqfeRjI/s1600/obmenu.png
[02:46] <xpr3ss> next best option is booting from USB
[02:46] <Grymmoire> I do have a USB option but I don't have any free USB sticks lying around, just my luck
[02:46] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, if you open synaptic, search for netbeans, you can select to install it.  give it a try
[02:46] <KBentley57> hylian, i thought it was tiny..lol
[02:46] <xpr3ss> okay thanks KBentley57
[02:47] <gdea73> I need help configuring X for my hybrid graphics laptop, A8-3420M with Radeon HD 6550M...
[02:47] <KBentley57> aaron_, can you pastebin the output of "sudo lshw"?
[02:47] <Grymmoire> Guess I'll put off installing ubuntu till I can get my hands on a USB stick then
[02:47] <gdea73> I tried the standard "amdconfig --initial," but I boot to tty1 and get no DE
[02:47] <KBentley57> aaron_, you may have to install lshw first - it lists all hardware in your system
[02:47] <apporc> Hello everyone. I got one problem. with vmstat i saw that the cpu is busy "cs" ,and there are many "running procs" than the number of cpu core. so maybe the cpu is busying swiching between process and just do nothing. Now everything is two slow.
[02:47] <gdea73> i.e. tty7 just shows system messages in low res.
[02:47] <apporc> anyone can help?
[02:47] <KBentley57> aaron_, while your at it, can you post the output of lsmod?
[02:47] <gdea73> I tried amdconfig --adapter 0,1 --initial but I get the same result
[02:47] <gdea73> * but thec omputer boots ITSELF to tty1
[02:48] <KBentley57> hylian, that's a nice looking desktop
[02:48] <gdea73> so has anyone successfully set up FGLRX on an APU with hybrid graphics??
[02:48] <KBentley57> hylian, what dock are you using
[02:49] <hylian> KBentley57, tint2
[02:49] <aaron_> KBentley57: ok here it is: lshw - http://pastebin.com/sZSFJL39 ; lsmod - http://pastebin.com/a45TZ3Gx
[02:49] <KBentley57> gdea73, does that command do the same thing as aticonfig --adapter=all --initial?
[02:49] <gdea73> I'm not sure, I will try that next
[02:49] <xpr3ss> KBentley 57, how about learning commands and stuff for the terminal?
[02:49] <KBentley57> gdea73, i use the amd drivers all the time, i'm not sure about the comma
[02:50] <gdea73> thanks, rebooting it now
[02:50] <aaron_> KBentley57: if it means anything, when i plug my headphones in, the speakers do get a little softer, and the music comes out my headphones, but the speakers still emit sound
[02:50] <gdea73> comma?
[02:50] <gdea73> oh
[02:50] <KBentley57> but im sure its fine it if takes the comman
[02:50] <gdea73> well it was the only result I found for amdconfig APU
[02:50] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, there is an ebook i had for that, that was nice.  let me see if i can find it again. one sec
[02:50] <hylian> xpr3ss, just out of curiosity, what commands do you need or want to know?
[02:50] <gdea73> except remember this isn't a black screen error, the laptop just doesn't use any graphics acceleration at all. The desktop doesn't show up. It boots to TTY1.
[02:51] <dlentz> aaron_, any luck after reloading alsa?
[02:51] <KBentley57> aaron_, im wondering if you have line-in or something like that on
[02:51] <aaron_> dlentz: no luck :X
[02:51] <gdea73> alright KBentley57, I'm rebooting it now, let's see if the login screen shows up this time
[02:51] <KBentley57> gdea73, did you install the catalyst drives from the software center?
[02:51] <KBentley57> gdea73, hold up
[02:51] <KBentley57> gdea73, or did you get them from the website?
[02:52] <gdea73> KBentley57, I installed them manually via the guide at wiki.cchtml.com for Maverick.
[02:52] <gdea73> and BTW it booted to tty1 again, no desktop.
[02:52] <KBentley57> gdea73, you know you have to recompile/install them after every kernel update right?
[02:52] <hylian> KBentley57, aaron_'s problem sounds like the auto mute isn't functioning...
[02:52] <aaron_> KBentley57: i googled line-in but didn't understand what that is.  i don't believe i've installed any pacakges that were intended to mess with the soundcard
[02:52] <KBentley57> gdea73, unless, that is, you set up dkms
[02:53] <KBentley57> aaron_, line-in is sort of like a pass through, meaning you could for instance have a mic in, and pass that sound out of the speakers, if that makes sense
[02:53] <gdea73> Well, every real kernel update, right?
[02:53] <gdea73> And I didn't think Maverick was going anywhere after 2.6.35-xx
[02:53] <dlentz> aaron_, the term you're looking for is "jack sensing" and it's usually fixes by adding a  model=<something? or upgrading alsa
[02:53] <mylisto23> has anyone ever had a problem with supergrub not booting?
[02:53] <KBentley57> gdea73, true, but i always uninstall the old drivers first
[02:53] <gdea73> I've got 2.6.35-32 right now, and my manually-installed WiFi (RT3090) module carried over from -22, so I hope FGLRX would.
[02:54] <KBentley57> try to uninstall the old drivers, boot to tty, install the new drivers and what not
[02:54] <xpr3ss> hylian i would like to learn as much as possible, nothing specific
[02:54] <gdea73> well that sounds like kind of a pain. It's worked on my desktop across multiple kernel upgrades, I just haven't updated Catalyst itself, but 3D accel etc still work alright
[02:54] <aaron_> dlentz: ah, that did bring many threads up.  i'm looking through them now
[02:55] <gdea73> so anyway amdconfig --adapter=all --initial didn't work. What else should I try? In this case I have a quad-core APU coupled with a Radeon HD 6650M, so I'd hope to be able to use switchable/hybrid graphics.
[02:55] <KBentley57> aaron_, i don't see anything that stands out in the pastebin stuff,
[02:55] <gdea73> I have the laptop connected to AC power at the moment.
[02:55] <xpr3ss> hylian, i would like to learn as much as possible, not looking for specifics
[02:55] <KBentley57> gdea73, can you grab the amd drivers from the website? the 12.2 ones that were just released a few days ago?
[02:55] <aaron_> dlentz: KBentley57 oo ok, so i found a thread on google that said i should try installing inux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic package and reboot my computer.
[02:56] <gdea73> ... I suppose I could, if there's nothing else to do as far as AMDCONFIG is concerned.
[02:56] <aaron_> dlentz: KBentley57 i will try this and come back.  thanks a bunch for your help!
[02:56] <gdea73> It just took me... a while ... to get fglrx installed right manually. And I thought AMD's website always offered Catalyst 8, or something in compatible
[02:56] <dlentz> aaron_, yes that sounds reasonable (and easily undoable)
[02:56] <gdea73> (just like their Win98 drivers for the Rage 128 Pro which don't actually work XD)
[02:56] <gdea73> (but that's unrelated., that was a different PC altogether)
[02:56] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Did you install it on a laptop or desktop with ubuntu linux
[02:57] <xpr3ss> KBentley57 any luck??
[02:57] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion, I'm running it on a laptop, a Lenovo IdeaPad Z575, with an AMD A6-3420M APU and AMD Radeon HD 6650M discrete graphics.
[02:57] <gdea73> And 6GB of DDR3 :D
[02:57] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Have you noticed if Ubuntu runs hot on your laptop ?
[02:58] <hylian> xpr3ss, i like this website, because it is a nice paced linux console commands walkthrough... http://linuxcommand.org/
[02:58] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, still looking
[02:58] <KBentley57> actually that may have been what hylian posted
[02:58] <xpr3ss> okay great thanks
[02:59] <KBentley57> gdea73 are you running 64 or 32 bit
[02:59] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion, I haven't noticed excessive heat, but I've noticed comparably terrible battery performance. It's "estimated" at 2:20 after a full charge and that's about accurate, though it's supposed to last 4.5. It's 64 bit 10.10.
[02:59] <gdea73> KBentley57, it's 64 bit.
[03:00] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Install xsensors and tell me what your temperatures are sudo apt-get install xsensors
[03:00] <gdea73> I had xsensors installed already before I lost access to the DE.
[03:00] <hylian> gdea73, so i am assuming you used ubuntu's hardware driver utility, and it had nothing for you there, or ???
[03:00] <gdea73> now when I boot I get kicked to tty1 right away; tty7 shows the status menus
[03:00] <Dulak> gdea73: My battery capacity went up when I moved from lucid to precise,  They have apparently fixed whatever regression in the kernel was causing the power issues.
[03:01] <gdea73> hylian, I ran the Additional Drivers utility, and it did show FGLRX, and it probably would've worked, but I wanted to run Catalysts 12.2 because I figured it'd have better support for the APU.
[03:01] <KBentley57> gdea73 http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[03:01] <gdea73> Dulak, thanks, though I'm running Maverick on Kernel 2.6.35-32-generic, and I already tried the acpi=force option for extended battery life mentioned across the web.
[03:01] <gdea73> KBentley57, alright opening link, just a second :P
[03:01] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, That's what I heard that next LTS version of Ubuntu will have more power saving mode for laptops
[03:01] <gdea73> ah, so should I really use AMD's regular installer from the site?
[03:01] <KBentley57> dgea73 that will take a second to dl, lets get the old drivers out while we're waiting
[03:01] <hylian> gdea73, ahh, I see. are you sure the fglrx installed properly? it's been quite a while since i used ati hardware on a linux box.
[03:02] <KBentley57> gdea73, yes
[03:02] <Quantum_Ion> I had to purge fglrx completely from my system
[03:02] <gdea73> hylian, well it took me a couple hours of trial and error, but I thought so. It compiled correctly and I finally got amdconfig recognized as a command. I could successfully run amdconfig --initial, but it wouldn't load Gnome after that.
[03:02] <KBentley57> gdea73, let me rephrase that - I have used amd's drivers on my system for years and they work fine
[03:02] <Dulak> gdea73: There is a regression somewhere in 2.6.x that causes it to eat more power than it should, the acpi=force thing doesn't fix that, it fixes another issue with acpi not working correctly so none of the power saving works.
[03:03] <KBentley57> gdea73, do you have access to the box now?
[03:03] <Quantum_Ion> Right now I am running Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 LTS with powersaver and a script to keep my laptop cool
[03:03] <gdea73> KBentley57, alright I guess I will. I just have had problems in the past using their auto-installer, wiki.cchtml.com's Maverick guide was far more successful for my desktop. But this is my laptop, and there's nothing else I can do, so I will try those drivers in just a minute.
[03:03] <hylian> gdea73, what happens when you initiate startx yourself?
[03:03] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: I went from 4 hours to almost 5.5 hours just upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04
[03:03] <gdea73> I do have access to the laptop. I'm just simultaneously doing work on my old laptop. And typing on my desktop ;)
[03:03] <zod21> whats up fellas
[03:03] <gdea73> hylian, I don't know. I'll run the command.
[03:03] <KBentley57> gdea73, ha, ive been there many a time
[03:04] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, With powersaver mode and lowpowerscript my laptop temps are like 71/64 and I have a dual core AMD processor
[03:04] <CFHowlett> zod21   greetings
[03:04] <zod21> help
[03:04] <gdea73> KBentley57, haha yeah well... at least getting closer to the weekend.
[03:04] <zod21> lol
[03:04] <CFHowlett> !ask|zod21
[03:04] <gdea73> hylian, I tried the command and I got a bunch of errors, followed by error 11 - segfault.
[03:04] <Quantum_Ion> Before my laptop was running hot and the fans were on full blast
[03:05] <gdea73> "Signal 11 (segmentation fault)"
[03:05] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: That is hot!  You can't call that a laptop, it'll burn you if you put it in your lap.
[03:05] <gdea73> * "caught" signal 11
[03:05] <zod21> so whats goin on everyone, im so pumped to have this running on my system again, i am so sick of windows
[03:05] <KBentley57> gdea73 navigate to /usr/share/ati and tell me if you see fglrx-uninstall.sh
[03:05] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: I'll get you info on the temps when I get X working again.
[03:05] <hylian> gdea73, hmm, is there any way you could dump that to a pastebin? it might be nothing, but maybe we could see somethging there..??
[03:05] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, I know it did start to burn my leg
[03:05] <gdea73> KBentley57, you got it, just a minute
[03:05] <gdea73> *walks over to corner of room, with new laptop charging*
[03:06] <zod21> and has anyone seen windows 8, its the windows phone + xbox360 os its f$($ing retarded
[03:06] <Quantum_Ion> My laptop shuts down when it hits 100 degrees
[03:06] <gdea73> hylian I can manually copy it onto my old laptop or something but that would be a bit of a pain.
[03:06] <KBentley57> zod21, not the place
[03:06] <gdea73> zod21, yup, it is dumb, but apparently okay for tablets.
[03:06] <CFHowlett> zod21   this is #ubuntu support.  For general chitchat, please go to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:06] <Quantum_Ion> zod21, Windows is dead here
[03:06] <gdea73> but yes neither place nor time
[03:06] <zod21> hahahaha
[03:06] <zod21> no joke
[03:06] <gdea73> okay umm... /usr/share/ati, just a second
[03:06] <Dulak> zod21: Yeah, it's good though, it means linux has a chance at the desktop finally, because windows 8 sucks on a desktop
[03:06] <gdea73> KBentley57, shoot, all I see is one file, amdcccle.
[03:07] <hylian> gdea73, i would think you it would be easier to run something like links, and then perhaps go to google from there. i'm gonna try it, i live in the cli anyways.
[03:07] <Quantum_Ion> No need to really run Windows anymore I have been using Ubuntu for a while now
[03:07] <KBentley57> gdea73, ok try to run "locate fglrx" and tell me what you see
[03:08] <gdea73> hylian, I would, except the wireless driver doesn't appear to be working when I'm in TTY1. Which is strange. And a pain. it took me all day to get WiFi working :
[03:08] <gdea73> :P
[03:08] <gdea73> KBentley57, I'll try.
[03:08] <zod21> dulak yeah thats the most awesome thing about it, i wasnt bitching i think that rules. linux is about to be a big hit. and technichal question @cfhowlett does anyone know if they are going to keep the Gnome3 interface even after what torvalds had to say about it on the next distro because i hate it. i went back to 10.04 because i thought it was better
[03:09] <Quantum_Ion> I think April 12th 2012 is when Ubuntu LTS comes out
[03:09] <gdea73> a lot of lines came up, including stuff in /usr/share, and something with "modaliases" in it. Can't copy all of it ATM though.
[03:09] <hylian> gdea73, aww, dang. did you install wicd by any chance?
[03:09] <R3db3ard> !rules
[03:09] <gdea73> wicd? Don't remember doing so.
[03:09] <Radiobuzz> hello guys
[03:09] <zod21> what up buzz
[03:09] <Radiobuzz> I'm having a problem with grub and I was hoping someone could help me :)
[03:09] <gdea73> Yeah the ralink rt3090 was a PAIN to get working. I had to, among other things, compile it with like 8 special parameters, blacklist every other module known to man, and run some other commands ... >_<
[03:09] <R3db3ard> !offtopic zod
[03:09] <Radiobuzz> hey zod
[03:10] <Dulak> zod21: gnome 3 is here to stay, it just needs to mature,  with the new plugins many things are coming back to gnome 3 from gnome 2
[03:10] <su> hey does anyone know how to change the address bar in thunar to an actual path? is there something like gconf-editor for it?
[03:10] <gdea73> Well I'm thinking what I should do now is apt-get remove --purge fglrx, and rm -rf /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and sudo apt-get install (vesa drivers?)
[03:10] <DJ> su you need to install gnome-tweak-tools
[03:10] <KBentley57> gdea73 bingo
[03:10] <gdea73> Dulak: Do you know if AllTray was ever updated to work with anything other than </= 10.10?
[03:11] <DJ> so you can tweak your Bar and Much more in Gnome su
[03:11] <Dulak> gdea73: I don't know what AllTray is so no
[03:11] <Radiobuzz> I'm trying to boot from an ISO file, which is located on (hd0,7), however grub2 can't find the file and when I look at other grub entries I see that instead of using hd0,x, it uses (for every entry, OpenSuSE and Windows) hd0,msdosX
[03:11] <su> DJ: isn't thunar xfce though? I just installed the xfce desktop and am in it
[03:11] <kalimojo> gdea73 i had the same problem with ralink
[03:11] <gdea73> KBentley57, alright I guess I'll do that, and then just use ATI's downloadable drivers. However, what was the package I was to install, for the vesa drivers. I removed them before. That's why I'm stuck at a terminal.
[03:11] <Radiobuzz> I tried replacing hd0,7 with hd0,msdos7 with no luck
[03:11] <gdea73> kalimojo, yeah I tried to write a quick and dirty tutorial on my thread, see Lenovo IdeaPad Z575 WiFI ;)
[03:11] <KBentley57> gdea73, did you download the drivers at the link i gave?
[03:11] <gdea73> Dulak, it was a utility that allowd you to pin stuff to the system tray
[03:12] <zod21> @Dulak yeah i hope, i just like the old school stuff, my favorite distro is still 7.10 it ran on my system like a charm
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73, you don't need to be in x to install the drivers
[03:12] <gdea73> I don't?
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73 not at all
[03:12] <zod21> whats the command in here for @ someone, i forgot because i am a retard
[03:12] <gdea73> Well I need WiFi to download them, and I'd rather not do the USB stick deal right now...
[03:12] <KatsumeBlisk> Tab zod21
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73, when you get them downloaded, all you need to do is cd to Downloads
[03:12] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: Just start typing their name and hit Tab
[03:12] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, Next laptop I purchase will be a Lenovo or a Toshiba right now I am using a Gateway/Acer laptop they kind of suck
[03:12] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: oh my god that's how you do that?!?! I always wondered how to do that in IRC!!
[03:12] <KBentley57> gdea73 then run "sudo ./amd-blah-blah.run
[03:13] <Radiobuzz> so to make the question simpler: why does my grub entries use hd0,msdosX instead of hd0,X?
[03:13] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: haha yeah, I've heard, bad things about Gateway laptops.
[03:13] <zod21> katsumeblisk
[03:13] <gdea73> The school where I live purchased a couple billion dollar deal with gateway right before they filed bankruptcy... lol
[03:13] <KBentley57> gde33, lol, it took me a long time to figure the tab thing out too
[03:13] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, yeah never buy one because Gateway is Acer now
[03:13] <Dulak> zod21: another 6 months to a year and most everything you had on gnome 2 should be working under gnome 3 with the plugin system,  though I'm sure there will be plenty of programs that don't get ported, functionality has a habit of getting reimplemented in this type of situation.  It just takes time.
[03:13] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: Maybe I didn't understand your question. :P
[03:14] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: I kind of forgot that, yeah thanks. I always had more respect for Acer as a brand, lol. Though I loved old Gateway desktops. I have what I call the "SuperGateway," a blend of P3 and P2 era computing, all Gateway branded components & peripherals, including a Gaetway CRT! :D
[03:14] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: that's funny because I only buy acer laptops, and have always had a good experience with them.
[03:14] <hylian> gdea73, another option would be to use the live cd. you use backspace as it is loading until you get a cli menu. then you can choose safe menu. you should then be able to find a menu option for booting with the default (but crappy) gui driver. this would atleast get you back out of cli land... but then you would have to remove that driver, and either try to re-install it or choose one from the ubuntu driver repositories...
[03:14] <zod21> @dulak freakin awesome. i love ubuntu, i can do anything, and i just put backtrack on a flash drive and i now can really do whatever lol, it is awesome
[03:14] <miguel_> if i want to use wget to get all files from a website that start with the name miguel how can i do it???
[03:14] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, I installed Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS on a friends old Toshiba laptop made in 2005 and his laptop runs 10 times faster then it ran with Windows pretty strange huh
[03:15] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: well, if I get fglrx to work sometime I'll let you know, you should consider the Z575 for an upgrade; it seems to be a really nice laptop. Just it came with Win7 which is... just not acceptable for me ;P
[03:15] <zod21> @dulak, how many distros have you been through
[03:15] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, People always tell me the best laptops for Linux are Lenovo
[03:15] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: Not strange at all, Ubuntu is so far better optimized, at least on the right hardwrae :)
[03:15] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: not to be a jerk but 10.04 was released in 2010
[03:15] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: He probably means that the laptop is 7 years old, not the distro
[03:15] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, I know I only due the LTS releases
[03:15] <stephan_> can anyone tell me about linux from scratch ?
[03:15] <gdea73> hylian: that seems like it would work except I'd prefer to use the wireless. Which I can't unelss I'm in X on my native install. I think. Though I don't see why the module rt3090sta wouldn't load in tty1. Maybe I'll try again.
[03:16] <Dulak> zod21: I started using linux it 1995, and have worked with just about every distro that has any sort of popularity, because I was a syseng at a server hosting company.
[03:16] <zod21> @dulak and do you ever mess with kde, i ran it a while back and i despised it. it was annoying and slower
[03:16] <gdea73> So can anyone confirm (or just say they would for my sanity's sake) that the A8 + 6650M will work alright with fglrx, and some 3D acceleration? :S
[03:16] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: I'm using KDE right now.
[03:16] <gdea73> (and then I'll go reinstall the vesa graphics and install from ATI's site the autoinstaller)
[03:16] <hylian> gdea73, that's iffy. My wireless works right off the live cd, but this is a pretty simple little netbook I have here.
[03:16] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, laptop was made in 2005 it had Windows XP on it and when I installed Ubuntu Linux 10.04 the laptop was very fast
[03:16] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: Getting used to it. Decided to try it out
[03:16] <Dulak> zod21: I never really cared for kde,  I have messed with it but not that much, I always end up back on gnome or xfce
[03:17] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, KDE is the darkhorse for some reason
[03:17] <Radiobuzz> so, noone can help me? :3
[03:17] <gdea73> hylian: well that's ... lucky. as I explained, it took me a long time to get the RT3090 working. A loong time. And now I have to do the work I put off! :P
[03:17] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: Yeah I just misunderstood what you said, thought you were saying you installed 10.04 in 2005.
[03:17] <zod21> @dulak much respect bro that rules, ive only used mint, dsl and ubuntu
[03:17] <Quantum_Ion> Dulak, np
[03:17] <gdea73> I'll be on... tomorrow afternoon I suppose, and I can finish this battle with fglrx
[03:17] <KBentley57> Radiobuzz, what is your question
[03:17] <hylian> gdea73, sorry... that sucks. using ndis wrapper?
[03:17] <Redjack1964> someone can tell me how can i add a include search path in environment variables?
[03:18] <gdea73> I really hope I can run Minecraft on this thing, reasonably well. As that and YouTube-ing are the only things I miss with my current laptop.
[03:18] <miguel_> if i want to use wget to get all files from a website that start with the name miguel how can i do it???
[03:18] <Quantum_Ion> I don't have time to mess around with every new release of Ubuntu that's why I just upgrade when the LTS releases come out
[03:18] <Dulak> Redjack1964: you want to add a path that is searched when you try to execute commands?
[03:18] <KBentley57> miguel_, man wget
[03:18] <zod21> @katsumeblisk yeah, i had it for a few months, liked it at first kindof mainly because of the change but i got annoyed by it after a while and whent back to gnome. i just like the interface a ton more
[03:18] <miguel_> KBentley57: i can't find it there
[03:18] <KatsumeBlisk> Quantum_Ion: I thought about that, but I really like the latest software.
[03:18] <Redjack1964> Dulak: not a command, but a include/ repertory.
[03:18] <Radiobuzz> KBentley57: trying to make grub2 boot from an iso file which is located in hd0,7 but grub can't find it; when I read the grub config file I realise every entry uses hd0,msdosX instead of hd0,X
[03:18] <hylian> gdea73, minecraft runs beautiful, just do not use icedtea6 plugin or open jdk. make sure it is from sun/oracle or it won't work at all.
[03:19] <gdea73> hylian: I don't remember. Probably. I had to compile the module and blacklist a bunch for it to work. I was real excited when it did though.
[03:19] <Dulak> Quantum_Ion: I do exactly the same thing, I just upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 to beat the server issues that happen whenever an LTS is released.
[03:19] <KatsumeBlisk> zod21: I'm deciding between KDE, Cinnamon, and Xfce. Just installed this, so I'm going to wait. Can't pass judgment on a DE in only a few days.
[03:19] <Quantum_Ion> Just like I upgrade Oracle Java when full versions come out like Java 7 I will wait for Java 8 and so on
[03:19] <gdea73> sorry that was from earlier. Well I meant I'd hope Minecraft would run well on my A8 + 6550M, not just Ubuntu in general. I've used Ubuntu before with Minecraft and it's great, both on my server and workstation :)
[03:19] <KBentley57> Radiobuzz, i just tried to do that a few days ago actually.  how risky are you feeling?
[03:19] <gdea73> (but those have discrete graphics only, no hybrid/APU chipset deal)
[03:19] <Radiobuzz> very :)
[03:19] <KBentley57> miguel_, give me a moment and ill try to look something up
[03:19] <Dulak> Redjack1964: I am not sure what you need there, what exactly are you wanting to do?
[03:19] <gdea73> alright I have some time for troubleshooting now, but not much. I've got to get up early to finish what I was working on, besides the laptop :(
[03:20] <KBentley57> Radiobuzz, can you make a new blank partition?
[03:20] <Radiobuzz> wait, I'll PM you
[03:20] <Quantum_Ion> In my younger days I had a lot of time to install new versions of Ubuntu when a new version came out but not anymore sometimes installing software and tweaking it can take up too much of my time
[03:20]  * hylian loves openbox with tint2, faster than greased ligntinin'
[03:20] <gdea73> earlier today I was considering a reformat, but now that WiFi works, that's beyond my reach and willpower :D
[03:20] <gdea73> Quantum_Ion: I know how you feel, I'm running out of time to do anything these days :P
[03:21] <gdea73> I keep wanting to get around to installing Arch on my Asus Terminator C3, but I never have the time...
[03:21] <KBentley57> Quantum_Ion, tell me about it, reinstalling up to 10 programs i use and have configured could take a full day
[03:21] <gdea73> and plus since it doesn't have the (cx8 cmov) instruction, things are difficult when an i686 is required :D
[03:21] <KBentley57> Quantum_Ion, if there were no hiccups
[03:21] <gdea73> alright I'm going to remove fglrx or the remainder of it, and install the opensource radeon drivers.
[03:22] <hylian> gdea73, my suggestion would be to remove the driver you where using altogether. once you have done that, we should hopefully be able to walk you through the cli to get a known functioning driver installed.
[03:22] <Quantum_Ion> gdea73, goodluck
[03:22] <KBentley57> gdea73, i would go with the closed source drivers, if it were me
[03:22] <KBentley57> gdea73, gl though@
[03:23] <gdea73> @all three of you: thanks for the good luck wishes ;) . And I am ultimately going to use the closed source drivers, I'm just reinstalling vesa to get to my desktop, to get to the AMD website :D
[03:23] <gdea73> though I know I have like 5 other PCs I could use, I'm too... well it's a weird type of laziness. I don't mind the software work, I just don't want to have to find my USB drive or replug the network cable from the C3 into the laptop and rewire stuff :P
[03:23] <Dulak> gdea73: They offer ubuntu debs on that site?
[03:24] <Quantum_Ion> Sarah, Hi
[03:24] <R3db3ard> gdea73, you only have to do it once.
[03:24] <miguel_> KBentley57: anything?
[03:24] <xpr3ss> KBentley57, any luck??
[03:27] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, start here http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/cli.html
[03:27] <KBentley57> xpr3ss, i haven' found the book yet, I'm not sure i saved it
[03:27] <gdea73> Dulak: on the AMD site? Apparently... (?)
[03:27] <gdea73> oh crap, abort!
[03:27] <gdea73> "cannot stat '/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory'
[03:28] <gdea73> well ... okay then
[03:28] <gdea73> I'll just reboot.
[03:28] <KBentley57> miguel_, im not sure if this is what you need, http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/downloading-entire-web-site-wget
[03:28] <xpr3ss> okay well thanks anyway for what you have provide
[03:28] <L3top> I can help with video driver/issues
[03:28] <xpr3ss> provided**
[03:28] <KBentley57> you're welcome.  If i see you back in a while maybe ill have found it
[03:28] <gdea73> L3top: that'd be great, well I'm working on them atm but if I need further help it'd be greatly appreciated.
[03:29] <gdea73> woo, back to the desktop! ... with the crappy open source drivers :P
[03:29] <gdea73> alright so, KBentley57: now I go to AMD's site?
[03:29] <L3top> You will have to completely purge the fglrx drivers in order to use the radeon
[03:29] <L3top> can you give me the output of lspci | grep "VGA"
[03:29] <gdea73> L3top:  I have done so. (If you're talking to me.) I'm going to reinstall them now, using the link that KBentley57 provided :)
[03:29] <gdea73> ... though, I can.
[03:29] <KBentley57> gdea73 yes, grab those drivers
[03:30] <gdea73> there are two listings:
[03:30] <gdea73> (1) 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 9647
[03:30] <L3top> I just wanted to make sure your chipset is supported first... I am just catching up gdea73
[03:30] <gdea73> and (2) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Device 6741
[03:30] <L3top> can you give me the output of lspci -v | grep "VGA"
[03:30] <gdea73> L3top: well that's the thing, it's the new A8 APU so I really hope it's supported.
[03:30] <KBentley57> gdea73 i know, those are the ones you need
[03:30] <gdea73> L3top: with quotes? Alright, I will.
[03:30] <L3top> thats correct then
[03:31] <gdea73> exact same output.
[03:31] <L3top> KBentley57 is correct
[03:31] <gdea73> alright, 'ill go back and find that link
[03:31] <gdea73> *I'll
[03:31] <L3top> -v was the addition
[03:31] <L3top> but I dont need it
[03:31] <gdea73> L3top: okay thanks, off to install fgrlx.
[03:31] <L3top> fglrx*
[03:31] <L3top> :)
[03:32] <endra> Hello
[03:32] <KBentley57> L3top, i always f'd that up too..lol
[03:32] <L3top> I used to
[03:32] <KBentley57> hey endra, whats up?
[03:32] <gdea73> ah, this file looks almost identical to the one I compiled before (?)
[03:32] <gdea73> KBentley57: do I just "run" the .run file? And it installs for me?
[03:32] <endra> KBentley57: hey how's it going? Everything is okay here :-)
[03:32] <L3top> !pm > Guest2732
[03:32] <endra> My ubuntu server went down sometime in the past hour and I only have access via SSH. I got it rebooted but I would like to see the reason it went down. How can I do that?
[03:33] <KBentley57> gdea73, yes, run with sudo
[03:33] <KBentley57> sudo ./amd------.run
[03:33] <gdea73> KBentley57: you got it... running now.
[03:33] <KBentley57> select (1)
[03:33] <xpr3ss> have a goodnight everyone, thanks for the help
[03:33] <KBentley57> don't just hit enter
[03:33] <gdea73> darn, command not found, should I "sh" it? (haha)
[03:33] <KBentley57> later xpr3ss
[03:33] <dj_segfault> endra: Did you look in /var/log/messages?
[03:33] <KBentley57> sudo sh ./amd---.run
[03:33] <KBentley57> haha
[03:33] <gdea73> alright.
[03:34]  * L3top just finished writing autodetection for every card on the planet for project... so is just fresh in it
[03:34] <gdea73> okay it's uncompressing "Catalyst 8.95"
[03:34] <gdea73> (sadface at Catalyst 8)
[03:34] <KBentley57> yeah, ...... everywhere..lol
[03:34] <gdea73> (for hybrid GPU)
[03:34] <endra> dj_segfault: any specific file?
[03:34] <KBentley57> oh, it said no?
[03:34] <gdea73> ooh a graphical installer, that's slightly different :D
[03:34] <dj_segfault> endra: uhh... /var/log/messages?
[03:34] <endra> dj_segfault: that does not exist for me
[03:34] <KBentley57> define graphical?  a blue background text installer?..haha
[03:35] <gdea73> should I:
[03:35] <gdea73> [1] Install Driver 8.95 on X.Org 6.9 or later 64-bit, or
[03:35] <KBentley57> select 1, don't do the debs
[03:35] <gdea73> [2] Generate Distribution-Specific DriverPackage?
[03:35] <KBentley57> [1]
[03:35] <gdea73> alright, I will, thanks.
[03:35] <gdea73> auto, or custom?
[03:35] <dj_segfault> How can /var/log/messages not exist?  Did they change the name of the logfiles?
[03:35] <KBentley57> auto
[03:35] <gdea73> I suppose Auto couldn't hurt, but do you have an opinion? alright thanks.
[03:35] <KBentley57> auto has always worked better for me
[03:36] <Dulak> dj_segfault: they got rid of /var/log/messages in maverick I think,  it's not there in precise for sure
[03:36] <KBentley57> dj_segfault, ls a dir at a time
[03:36] <Linux7> where to find all sites that logs typed password?
[03:36] <KBentley57> eh?
[03:36] <endra> dj_segfault: it appears that I can look at /var/log/syslog now
[03:37] <dj_segfault> endra: Sorry for leading you astray.  I'm still running 10.04LTS.
[03:37] <Dulak> dj_segfault: except it is there in precise, hmmmm
[03:37] <gdea73> woot! It worked, so far.
[03:37] <Dulak> endra: what distro are you running?
[03:37] <gdea73> wait, before I reboot, do I run amdconfig manually? or just reboot?
[03:37] <endra> Dulak: latest ubuntu-server
[03:37] <endra> dj_segfault: not a problem, I really appreciate your help :-)
[03:38] <gdea73> okay i'll just let it reboot
[03:38] <KBentley57> gdea73, sudo aticonfig --adapter=all --initial
[03:38] <KBentley57> before or after, doesn't really matter
[03:38] <Dulak> endra: /var/log/kern is also good, if it was a kernel issue you should get some info there
[03:38] <dr-willis> its now called amdconfig isent it?
[03:38] <KBentley57> it's still aticonfig in the latest driver
[03:39] <researcher123> I have an aptonCD.iso of my  earlier installed applications.Now I want to restore but cant load the image.Any help?
[03:39] <dr-willis> they renamed some of their other tools. i noticed the other day. i rarely use ati
[03:39] <gdea73> KBentley57:  well I rebooted and it appears to work, which is sweet, full 1366x768, but I'll run the command now.
[03:40] <dr-willis> researcher123:  mount the iso perhaps
[03:40] <gdea73> alright I did, and I"m rebooting :)
[03:40] <dr-willis> !iso
[03:40] <Dulak> What aspect is 1366x768, 16:9?
[03:40] <gdea73> Dulak: correct.
[03:40] <Dulak> gdea73: you lucky bastid
[03:40] <endra> This seems to be why it went offline: http://pastebin.com/XqSQGqS9
[03:41] <gdea73> BTW, sometimes when I close the lid (suspend), the laptop never wakes up. It does on a hardware level but the screen stays off. I have to take out the battery (!!) to get it to POST again. Hardware or software problem? I see nothing about resuming in any system log.
[03:41] <gdea73> Dulak: lol
[03:41] <gdea73> KBentley57: oh noes! I'm stuck at "checking batttery state," i.e. TTY7 has no interface now.
[03:41] <gdea73> stuck at the ugly splash, as it were
[03:42] <KBentley57> gdea73 do the config and reboot
[03:42] <gdea73> okay now my backspace key is doing nothing, and my right arrow is acting like a spacebar
[03:42] <Dulak> gdea73: suspend has always been a bit buggy, I stopped trying and moved to hibernate instead.  It's a bit slower, but not as buggy.
[03:42] <K350> is there ayone who knows how to setup mutt with mixmaster?
[03:42] <KBentley57> gdea, oh wait, it was fine, you configged, and now its broke?
[03:42] <gdea73> KBentley57: good call on hibernate. but also, this is AFTER configuring it like that. I'm going to try just --initial.
[03:42] <gdea73> yeah it worked before :S
[03:42] <K350> There's NOT a single line on google on how to setup mutt wiht mixmastr. Not a line , nothing
[03:43] <Dulak> endra: well that looks like either an attempt to exploit your server, or bad ram.
[03:43] <KBentley57> gdea73 delete the xorg.config and reboot - its in /etc/x11
[03:43] <gdea73> oh, okay.
[03:43] <Dulak> endra: you might want to run memtest86+ on that box and see if it shows any errors
[03:43] <gdea73> Doing so now.
[03:43] <gdea73> I'm afraid it will default to VESA since I didn't --purge it this time :X
[03:43] <Dulak> endra: it's an actual machine or a vps?
[03:44] <Linux7> to view all the logs on the Internet navigation?
[03:44] <endra> Dulak: actual machine.
[03:44] <gdea73> yup, back and running, but in crap-resolution, 1024x768, on a 16:9 TFT :(
[03:44] <gdea73> Now Catalyst won't launch, clearly fglrx is no longer running. Should I run the amdconfig --initial command?
[03:44] <hylian> gdea73, i wish I had that resolution. I am forever stuck in 1024x600, (netbook).
[03:45] <Dulak> endra: yeah run memtest86+ on it and see if it gives errors.  If you get errors you can take the addresses from the error and pass them to the kernel at boot to avoid any bad spots.
[03:45] <gdea73> hylian: haha, bummer. I liked the old 4:3 resolutions like 1024x768, etc, as long as the screen fits it.
[03:45] <gdea73> ah, "uninitialised file found, configuring." Gotcha.
[03:46] <st1> is there a way to make TOP show memory usage minus cache/buffer?
[03:46] <gdea73> So on a side note, why does my battery life just... suck?
[03:46] <hylian> well thats all for me everyone. I am very tired, goodnight
[03:46] <KBentley57> later hylian
[03:46] <Dulak> gdea73: I am very jealous of your 16:9 laptop screen.
[03:46] <gdea73> it lasts 2:30, tops. The laptop as rated for 4:30. It's brand new with its OEM battery.
[03:46] <KBentley57> gdea73, open catalyst control center
[03:46] <gdea73> Dulak: haha it's rather nice... when the drivers work >_>
[03:46] <gdea73> oh wait they do!
[03:46] <Dulak> gdea73: what version of ubuntu?
[03:46] <gdea73> res is back to 1366 :)
[03:46] <st1> or other real time ram usage command
[03:46] <gdea73> Dulak: 10.10 x86_64.
[03:46] <endra> Dulak: I'll try that. Thanks for the help :)
[03:46] <KBentley57> i prefer 16:10 over 16:9
[03:47] <gdea73> KBentley57: is that like, HDTV res? My desktop and server run 1080p.
[03:47] <KBentley57> gdea73 what did you do to fix it?
[03:47] <gdea73> ah sweet, catalyst is running. I installed the drivers you provided and ran amdconfig --initial :)
[03:47] <gdea73> the --adapter=all screwed it up
[03:47] <Linux7> to view all the logs on the Internet navigation?
[03:47] <gdea73> it's not a true crossfire setup, it's "hybrid" 1, vs. the other.
[03:47] <Dulak> endra: It also has the same charecteristic of someone trying to exploit the kernel, so if you get no errors, best start looking very hard at your system.
[03:47] <gdea73> so here's the deal now, it's running on the discrete card, which is nice but I'd like that to be toggle-able.
[03:48] <gdea73> oh sick "Switchable Graphics" tab! XD
[03:48] <KBentley57> gdea73, it came out before the flat panel craze.  it's just a little bit taller with the same width
[03:48] <gdea73> KBentley57: that sounds awesome.
[03:48] <KBentley57> gde33, does it switch? Fingers crossed
[03:48] <gdea73> Gosh darn it AMD! "You must reboot to apply the changes"
[03:48] <gdea73> so I have to reboot to play a game that runs natively on Linux? haha what a joke.
[03:48] <KBentley57> reboot and see if it at least works
[03:48] <KBentley57> lol
[03:48] <Linux7> to view all the logs on the Internet navigation?
[03:49] <KBentley57> and what is this game that runs natively on linux you speak of?
[03:49] <gdea73> I might as well have an XP partiton. Though I'm kidding. Going with the "bold strategy" of Ubuntu alone on a brand new laptop. And using 10.10, and *not* upgrading :D
[03:49] <gdea73> KBentley57:  It's rebooting and I think it's workign.
[03:49] <Dulak> gdea73: That is a gamer laptop, you will never get good battery out of it, because it's aimed at performance, not power saving.
[03:49] <gdea73> *working.
[03:49] <dr-willis> if your switchable works.. id say count your blessings. :)
[03:49] <Braden`> Hello
[03:49] <gdea73> Dulak: but it doesn't *look* as lame as a "gaming laptop"! haha. It's a Lenovo.
[03:49] <triscuit> I'd like to delete my windows partition, but gw2
[03:49] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: That distro will last you all of a month. It's not getting security updates after next month.
[03:50] <KBentley57> you might like the mate desktop
[03:50] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: ah god
[03:50] <gdea73> it took me about that long to CONFIGURE everything lol
[03:50] <KBentley57> lol
[03:50] <Dulak> gdea73: Yes but the cpu and graphics are typical gamer laptop parts, so your battery will never be good.
[03:50] <gdea73> oh man, purpoe screen... (?)
[03:50] <KBentley57> give it a sec
[03:50] <Braden`> I installed the postfix package, and I have "inet_interfaces = all" in my /etc/postfix/main.cf file; however, netstat -anp shows "tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:25            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      18428/sendmail: MTA".  How do I make it listen to 0.0.0.0?
[03:50] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: 10.10 will be depracated next month since it'll have been 18 months after release, the lifetime of a non-LTS release.
[03:50] <gdea73> Dulak: meh, okay. I don't emphasize portability a lot. I just expected its rating of 4.5 hours to be semi-true, which it is. 2.75?
[03:50] <Fyodorovna> triscuit, you have another os like ubuntu installed from windows there as well?
[03:50] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: oh, that's... too bad. It's my favorite release.
[03:51] <Dulak> gdea73: Be lucky, I bought an amd gamer laptop that was super cheap for my dad for xmas, and his battery lasts 1 hr 15 minutes.
[03:51] <gdea73> KBentley57: darn, I'm frozen on boot. No tty1 either. Just a purple screen, that's blank.
[03:51] <gdea73> I'll try a hard reboot.
[03:51] <KBentley57> gdea73 - hard reboot and let it go and see
[03:51] <gdea73> alright I'm doing so
[03:51] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: I agree. It's mine as well. You'll either have to downgrade to 10.04 (for a year) or change DEs if you don't want Unity.
[03:51] <gdea73> though Dulak, i think it's just b/c it's running on the discrete card, draining the power.
[03:52] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: ah, well, I might just keep it unsupported even though people will laugh at me. And hate me. haha.
[03:52] <KBentley57> you know, i love unity - let me just throw that out there.  for me, its much better productivity wise
[03:52] <KBentley57> *hides behind wall
[03:52] <gdea73> I don't like gnome fallback, things are occasionally broken and it's not as cool
[03:52] <Dulak> gdea73: If the cpu supports frequency scaling you can get a lot of mileage from using the ondemand govenor and not using the discrete graphics.
[03:52] <geek_> hello is xubuntu good for newbie @ linux?
[03:52] <Braden`> Anyone?
[03:52] <KatsumeBlisk> KBentley57: It's not my favorite, but it's not bad. I don't like it enough to use it though. You can have your own opinion. :)
[03:52] <KatsumeBlisk> geek_:  I think it's fine.
[03:53] <KBentley57> geek_, most of the ubuntu's are fairly similar
[03:53] <KBentley57> geek_, if you want something that is more windows like, try kubuntu
[03:53] <geek_> k thanks wasn't sure
[03:53] <Braden`> I installed the postfix package, and I have "inet_interfaces = all" in my /etc/postfix/main.cf file; however, netstat -anp shows "tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:25            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      18428/sendmail: MTA".  How do I make it listen to 0.0.0.0?
[03:53] <gdea73> KBentley57: I can see how people might like it. On a laptop perhaps. I just like DEs to be both "classic" looking and very customizable. I still use Windows 98 - just throwing that out there. *ducks*
[03:53] <researcher123> is it possible to identify duplicate files on system? Any search tool?
[03:53] <Dulak> Unity just needs to mature, same as gnome 3.
[03:53] <KatsumeBlisk> gdea73: You should check out Cinnamon. Not completely polished right now because it's new, but it's really good.
[03:53] <gdea73> KBentley57: crap still have the purple screen on the "onboard" graphics.
[03:53] <KBentley57> KatsumeBlisk, i usually install from the ground up, and only install the least of what i need
[03:53] <gdea73> KatsumeBlisk: heard of it, supposed to be cool. I'll try it sometime perhaps.
[03:53] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: Exactly. KDE4 had the same problems Unity and GNOME have
[03:53] <KBentley57> KatsumeBlisk, by the time im done i feel as if ive spun my own distro
[03:53] <gdea73> KBentley57: I'll finish troubleshooting tomorrow. Too tired now. Thanks all for the help
[03:53] <KBentley57> lol
[03:53] <gdea73> good night ;)
[03:54] <KBentley57> night man
[03:54] <zykotick9> researcher123: fslint is a gui tool with duplicate search
[03:54] <KBentley57> brb
[03:54] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: I like it on my netbook, but not my desktop.  I am still on gnome2 on my desktop, waiting for the maturity.
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> KBentley57: It depends on what distro I'm using on how much work it takes. If it's prebuilt like Ubuntu, I'll use it. If it's like Arch, I'll set it up myself.
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: What's this "it"? Cinnamon?
[03:55] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: unity
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: What distro you running on the desktop?
[03:55] <brightspark> KatsumeBlisk: is that panel-looking item in cinnamon customisable in the way it is in gnome2?
[03:55] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: debian stable
[03:55] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: Oh yeah. Sorry. Three conversations. :P
[03:55] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: np
[03:56] <KatsumeBlisk> brightspark: Too a point. I'm not sure how many applets are available, but they're working on it.
[03:56] <brightspark> KatsumeBlisk: thank you.  The lack of customisability is why I've been avoiding upgrading from Meerkat
[03:56] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: I like up-to-date software too much to run Debian stable or Ubuntu 10.04. :-/ I had to make a choice, GNOME 2 or the other software.
[03:57] <KatsumeBlisk> brightspark: Cinnamon is relatively young, so it may not be what you want out of it, but give it time. The Linux Mint guys want a GNOME 2-like DEe as well.
[03:59] <Dulak> KatsumeBlisk: It just sucks so many things all decided to change at the same time, so the last 10 years of work making everything rock solid went out the window across the board.
[04:00] <r00t_> hello
[04:00] <r00t_> anyone there
[04:00] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: It wouldn't have been such a big deal if only one had changed, preferably Ubuntu with Unity since we'd have GNOME Shell if Canonical didn't make Unity.
[04:01] <KatsumeBlisk> Dulak: GNOME Shell on Ubuntu I mean
[04:01] <r00t_> say something
[04:02] <fre3bird> i was wondering if i could get some assistance getting my soundcard working
[04:02] <fre3bird> using 11.10
[04:02] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, it kind of makes sense tho. lol. Unity starts with a U shouldnt it be called gubuntu if it had gnome the whole time? like kubuntu or fluxbuntu xubuntu. etc lol
[04:03] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: No. Ubuntu has always had GNOME until Unity, which is still GNOME-based.
[04:03] <Dulak> webnet: gnome was the default, you only needed the other names to differentiate between the default or not.
[04:03] <webnet> i know. it was a joke. lol
[04:03] <hex20dec> Anyone speak Spanish fluently?
[04:04] <Dulak> !es
[04:04] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk,  i know. it was a joke about the first letter
[04:09] <hex20dec> Any native Spanish speakers can tell me if I have any mistakes here: http://pastebin.com/ey39ZnJp    Thanks.
[04:10] <KatsumeBlisk> !es
[04:10] <KatsumeBlisk> hex20dec: There's a channel for Spanish speakers.
[04:11] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, he speaks english i think he is looking for someone to proofread the messages in his code because he dont speak spanish
[04:11] <m4v> hex20dec: our channels are for Ubuntu support, not for help you with your spanish
[04:11] <webnet> would that be correct hex20dec ?
[04:11] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: I'm just trying to help. :P
[04:11] <hex20dec> webnet: Yes.
[04:11] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, i know. lol. its all good
[04:12] <webnet> hex20dec, after looking at your pastebin doc what does that have to do with ubuntu?
[04:12] <xpr3ss> KBentley57..
[04:12] <hex20dec> webnet: It's just the biggest channel, and other channels don't tend to respond.
[04:13] <xpr3ss> Need help with netbeans, i manually installed it through Synaptic but it isnt showing up anywhere....
[04:13] <webnet> hex20dec, ok but thats not what tghis channel is for. :(
[04:13] <webnet> xpr3ss, same happened to me
[04:13] <xpr3ss> no solution??
[04:13] <hex20dec> Just a bit of help from a native speaker wouldn't harm anyone.
[04:13] <webnet> in terminal its i believe netbeans
[04:13] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What DE, version, etc?
[04:13] <KatsumeBlisk> hex20dec: that's not the purpose of this channel though.
[04:14] <hex20dec> KatsumeBlisk: Okay, thanks anyways.
[04:15] <webnet> pangolin, plz PM me when you have a few minutes
[04:16] <xpr3ss> KatsumBlisk huh??
[04:16] <xpr3ss> version 6.9
[04:16] <testing321> thanks to free or open source software, I've rediscovered the real power of irc, it's instant, facebook doesn't compare
[04:17] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What desktop environment are you using? What version of Ubuntu?
[04:17] <xpr3ss> oh..11.10 sorry
[04:17] <webnet> gnome? kde?
[04:17] <webnet> lxde?
[04:17] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: No problem. :) Are you using Unity, the stock interfface?
[04:18] <xpr3ss> yup
[04:23] <ineedhelp> Hello....I need help... but not sure where to go... VLC cannot play h264 suddenly
[04:23] <ineedhelp> how do I fix
[04:24] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk...anything???
[04:24] <ineedhelp> it says VLC does not support the audio or video format "h264". Unfortunately there is no way for you to fix this.
[04:24] <ineedhelp> but before it did play them
[04:25] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: what about restricted format package?
[04:25] <ineedhelp> sorry I do not understand... what does this mean?
[04:26] <Dmole> is there an off topic chan somewhere?
[04:26] <ineedhelp> I was using N-muench ppa
[04:26] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[04:27] <ineedhelp> and i tried to make fix a problem with DLNA but now I cannot use it any
[04:27] <Dmole> ineedhelp: what are you trying to do?
[04:28] <ineedhelp> I WAS before trying to make it play over UPNP, but now It does not play H264 and I tried to reverse to the other version but it works none
[04:28] <wiesshund> in terminal, anyone have an idea why my arrow keys want to do things like take a screen shot instead of go up or down through previous commands, or move the cursor forward and back over a typed command?
[04:28] <ineedhelp> i tried get-deb and nmuench and cannonical
[04:29] <ineedhelp> I cannot remember what happened and I am not sure where to look for fix
[04:29] <ineedhelp> please help
[04:30] <ineedhelp> sorry for my english.  I am not using a translation, so I can type more quick
[04:30] <fre3bird> i have a z68 motherboard running ubuntu and cannot get volume control see any soundcard.
[04:30] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: sounds like a codec problem to me,  see if you have the restricted extra's installed
[04:30] <fre3bird> is there a script that will nail this sucker down for me ?
[04:30] <webnet> pangolin, never mind
[04:30] <fre3bird> unity sound mixer shows no soundcard
[04:31] <Sixmsj> http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/pipermail/cfe-dev/2010-June/009457.html
[04:31] <Sixmsj> anyone know where clang++ is located
[04:31] <Sixmsj> im having the problem described in the link
[04:31] <ineedhelp> sacarlson: synaptic does say I have
[04:31] <ineedhelp> it
[04:32] <ineedhelp> i should reinstall?
[04:32] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: can't hurt to try reinstall it
[04:32] <ineedhelp> ok.
[04:34] <ineedhelp> that worked none
[04:34] <ineedhelp> tht did not work
[04:35] <sacarlson> ineedhelp: maybe try totum or mplayer
[04:35] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Sorry. I was AFK for a moment. I'm not sure. It's not in the menu?
[04:35] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Sorry, "Dash". :P
[04:36] <sabgenton> udevmon was replaced
[04:36] <ineedhelp> sacarlson: it plays in totem... Mplayer has another problem I do not know of... Sometimes plays but others files it does not... but I am not understand
[04:36] <kelvinella> hi how do i check whether my netbook is using broadcom or not?
[04:36] <sabgenton> what's the new command?
[04:36] <sabgenton> it's like something mon
[04:36] <franz_> there is a lot more people on #ubuntu than #windows
[04:36] <sabgenton> so
[04:36] <sabgenton> it's at's called freenode :P
[04:36] <franz_> interesting
[04:36] <ineedhelp> but I have problems with pulseaudio so i do not like totem
[04:36] <xpr3ss> nope
[04:37] <xpr3ss> its like it isnt installed at all.
[04:37] <kelvinella> i have a netbook that has installed ubuntu 11.10 in it but the wireless keeps disconnecting
[04:37] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Is it in /usr/bin (a launcher for it)?
[04:37] <fre3bird> can anyone help me get this soundcard working on 11.10 ?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/885896/
[04:37] <xpr3ss> lemme check
[04:39] <xpr3ss> noprr
[04:39] <fre3bird> i see this in dmesg in regards to my soundcard hda-intel: no codecs initialized not seen by unity
[04:39] <xpr3ss> nope^^
[04:39] <Ahaios> hello
[04:39] <ineedhelp> I dont like 11.04.  i have made more problems because pulseaudio causes a big problem.  So when I try to remove it and use mplayer, it was OK but some files not played...
[04:39] <ineedhelp> made = has
[04:40] <Ahaios> anyone who can help me with reinstall grub after xp installation?
[04:40] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: It doesn't seem like it's installed then. You used Synaptic, right? Can you try using the Software Center?
[04:40] <ineedhelp> while pulseautio is used, I get to hear tick tick tick tick tick
[04:41] <fre3bird> i'll volunteer 30 minutes of help if someone helps me get my soundcard working afterwards.  i'm out of practice though :)
[04:41] <sabgenton> xpr3ss: how do I get a monitor in the shell to show advents as I plug usb sticks in
[04:42] <ineedhelp> then my sound plays... and also my CPU with pulse audio was sometimes 100% and it when removed it, the sound stopped and the cpu was lower than 100
[04:42] <vn> hi, I tried Jaunty, karmic, Lucid, Maverick, Natty, Oneiric and Precise, they all can boot on liveCD, they install fine from Natty, but with ALL of them, I cannot boot into after the install, I'm stuck with a blinking cursor, no sign of GRUB...its 2 fresh systems with at least a EFI BIOS, with i7-2600K and i7-3960X CPUs, any tips/help is/are welcome
[04:43] <ineedhelp> but then totem does not work and because vlc has a problem i cannot understand, it makes me frustrated!!!  I added pulseaudio back but it still makes a noise and delay
[04:43] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: Try this: http://kasunweranga.blogspot.com/2011/07/reinstall-grub2-after-installing.html It should work. It involves the Ubuntu live cd.
[04:43] <ineedhelp> so, if I can not have pulse audio and I can have vlc work,  I would be a very happy man
[04:44] <xpr3ss> ubuntu software center-no go as well
[04:44] <KatsumeBlisk> ineedhelp: Those paying attention don't know the answer, so be patient. :)
[04:45] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I'm not sure what to tell you then. Sorry. I'm not a user of netbeans, so I was just trying to solve for any package. You may want to try Google/the forums for an answer if it's netbeans specific.
[04:45] <ineedhelp> KatsumeBlisk: THANKS!  i know, already that you told me
[04:46] <KatsumeBlisk> ineedhelp: I haven't said anything to you before that. I was just pointing out that stating your problem every minute won't solve it. I was trying to do it nicely too.
[04:46] <xpr3ss> what do you use??
[04:46] <phpdrupalguy> How do i upgrade my php5.2 to 5.3 with 9.10? my repos are outdated and teh archives arnet working.
[04:46] <xpr3ss> sabgenton, what are you trying to do..
[04:46] <Ahaios> KatsumeBlisk i have this problem "usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition.  This is a BAD idea..
[04:46] <Ahaios> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Embedding is not possible.  GRUB can only be installed in this setup by using blocklists.  However, blocklists are UNRELIABLE and their use is discouraged..
[04:46] <Ahaios> /usr/sbin/grub-setup: error: will not proceed with blocklists.
[04:46] <Ahaios> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[04:47] <ineedhelp> KatsumeBlisk: I understood you.  I am sorry for not saying more clear
[04:47] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: Did you try to install it to a partition, like /dev/sda1 or the disk itself like /dev/sda?
[04:47] <KatsumeBlisk> ineedhelp: No worries. :)
[04:48] <xpr3ss> complete install to HD
[04:48] <xpr3ss> smartest idea, and if you need to run other OS use virtualbox
[04:48] <ineedhelp> KatsumeBlisk: takk for help
[04:49] <ineedhelp> thanks
[04:49] <xpr3ss> or possible reformat of partition later on(advanced, risky)
[04:49] <vn> is a default ubuntu install setting up a MBR or a GPT?
[04:50] <bc81> question: i'm unable to format usb HDD to hfs, xfs, reiser etc..only options are ext*, fat*, linux-swap and ntfs.  any idea why?
[04:50] <phpdrupalguy> How do i upgrade my php5.2 to 5.3 with 9.10? my repos are outdated and teh archives arnet working.
[04:51] <sabgenton> xpr3ss: udevmonitor was replaced logg ago
[04:51] <Fyodorovna> vn, that link is for a mbr set up not gpt. Post a thread at the Ubuntu forums for best help on this maybe.
[04:51] <sabgenton> with udevadm monitor
[04:51] <sabgenton> (I found it)
[04:51] <sabgenton> ok acutally udevmonitor was just a symlink that the removed
[04:51] <sabgenton> just to anoy me
[04:51] <jr> hello
[04:51] <vn> Fyodorovna: ehhh...what link?
[04:52] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaio: Bot may help.
[04:52] <KatsumeBlisk> !grub
[04:52] <jr> i need some help
[04:53] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk, what IDe do you use??
[04:53] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: See above^^ Sorry. Misspelled your name.
[04:53] <Fyodorovna> vn, the one your using that gets the errors from KatsumeBlisk I assume.
[04:53] <jr> anyone knows what this means for chkrootkit log?
[04:53] <jr> Searching for suspicious files and dirs, it may take a while... The following suspicious files and directories were found:
[04:53] <jr> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/.path /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2.27/.autoreg /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.1.19/.autoreg
[04:53] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I just use gedit/Kate (depending on DE) and compile via the command line for C++. I use Eclipse for Java.
[04:53] <vn> Fyodorovna: nah, no such problem here, not even an error..
[04:54] <xpr3ss> what about python and perl??
[04:54] <jr> that's what i get from scanning with chkrootkit
[04:55] <Fyodorovna> vn, ah you were asking a question of the efi booter, my bad.
[04:55] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I don't know them yet. They're on my todolist for languages. I'm still a student.
[04:55] <vn> Fyodorovna: yep
[04:55] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Based on my limited knowledge, Python would be the same as I do with C++ since it's not even compiled.
[04:57] <Ahaios> KatsumeBlisk what i have to do with that error?  r/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Attempting to install GRUB to a partitionless disk or to a partition.  This is a BAD idea
[04:58] <Fyodorovna> Ahaios, that link is for a mbr set up not gpt. Post a thread at the Ubuntu forums for best help on this maybe.
[04:58] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: I'm not sure. I've only had to do what you're attempting once. You are trying to install it to the right drive right?
[04:58] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: Also, Fyodorovna made a point. This is MBR?
[04:59] <trial_and_error> AHH! I downloaded ubuntu for my usb but clicked "open" instead of "save" now i cant find the file anywhare! any suggestions?
[05:00] <KatsumeBlisk> trial_and_error: You can either find it in the /tmp directory (I believe, not sure) or you can just redownload it.
[05:00] <trial_and_error> thank you, ill look
[05:00] <Ahaios> i tried all the ways and is not effect
[05:00] <KatsumeBlisk> Actually, tmp may not exist
[05:00] <Ahaios> is always errors
[05:00] <KatsumeBlisk> I'm not using Ubuntu, so I'm not sure.
[05:01] <Ahaios> and the MBR is messed up...i tried with Boot-repair and is no effect
[05:01] <KatsumeBlisk> trial_and_error: I would just redownload it. Wherever it was will be a place where it'll be deleted once space is needed.
[05:01] <Aesthenaut> uhm
[05:01] <Aesthenaut> i cant paste in putty
[05:01] <mrguser> Hola
[05:01] <Aesthenaut> any recommended ssh clients i could paste in?
[05:01] <trial_and_error> i will just have to redownload it , thanks
[05:02] <Ahaios> KatsumeBlisk http://paste.ubuntu.com/885839/
[05:02] <xpr3ss> best programming language to learn first...INPUT??
[05:02] <Ahaios> thats what boot-repair gave me...can you understand anything?
[05:02] <webnet> xpr3ss, depends on what you want to build
[05:03] <AcidRain> bah
[05:03] <xpr3ss> i dont know, i love ubuntu and security
[05:03] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What?
[05:04] <KatsumeBlisk> Ahaios: No. I'm just verifying, you attempted to install to the drive and not a partition right, /dev/sda instead of /dev/sda5?
[05:04] <trial_and_error> does anyone know a good place to start to learn python?
[05:04] <webnet> xpr3ss, well if you want something that runs 100% guarunteed cross platform go web based
[05:04] <Ahaios> i tried both and i have the same error
[05:04] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk, want input on first programming language?
[05:04] <KatsumeBlisk> trial_and_error: Google "learn python the hard way". I've heard it's a good resource.
[05:05] <trial_and_error> thanks
[05:05] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: My first was C++. Depends on what you want to do.
[05:05] <webnet> like i said
[05:05] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: C++ is easy enough, imo, but it's powerful.
[05:05] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Yes. I'm just stating I agree. :P
[05:05] <xpr3ss> gosh i hate c++, but everywhere i turn around i hear it lol
[05:05] <xpr3ss> guess i might as well hit that up
[05:05] <webnet> ik i was saying it to xpr3ss
[05:06] <webnet> we r on the same page bro
[05:06] <webnet> :D
[05:06] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I like it. Granted, it's my main language.
[05:06] <webnet> i program in  PHP/HTML5
[05:06] <xpr3ss> php or perl??
[05:06] <webnet> i do PHP
[05:07] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: What are you trying to get out of this language?
[05:07] <webnet> well... a combo of PHP/HTML/JS/CSS and MySQL
[05:07] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: While it's necessary, I'm not a fan of SQL. XD It's got weird syntax because it tries to be too user-friendly.
[05:08] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: I did just start learning SQL this year though.
[05:08] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, yeah. and oracle now owns it.... im not an oracle fan though i love java
[05:08] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Same. Well, I don't *love* Java, but it's decent.
[05:08] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, is it C or c++ you can use with... aww what the h3ll is that nokia IDE
[05:08] <xpr3ss> webnet, goodness thats dangerous lol
[05:08] <webnet> shoot. i cannot think of it
[05:08] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Pardon?
[05:09] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Qt?
[05:09] <webnet> KatsumeBlisk, THATS IT!
[05:09] <webnet> xpr3ss, what is?
[05:09] <webnet> oracle owning mysql?
[05:10] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: C++. I'm not sure about C with it though. Qt is a great library. Never used it myself on the developer side of things
[05:10] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Qt is very cross platform.
[05:10] <xpr3ss> webnet a combo of PHP/HTML/JS/CSS and MySQL
[05:10] <webnet> i like that abou qt
[05:11] <KatsumeBlisk> webnet: Me too. :D
[05:11] <xpr3ss> Qt isnt only for c++
[05:11] <webnet> what is dangerous about that xpr3ss
[05:11] <xpr3ss> ???
[05:11] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: He's a master of the interwebs! >:D
[05:11] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: I didn't think so. I haven't looked at it in a while.
[05:11] <trial_and_error> download time: 55min 30 sec...  im so impatient
[05:11] <webnet> xpr3ss, might be c++ only
[05:11] <xpr3ss> KatsumeBlisk i know he is.
[05:12] <webnet> :D i try :P
[05:12] <xpr3ss> lol of course you do
[05:12] <hemanth>  kirataka007
[05:13] <ch33z> hahahahhah
[05:13] <ch33z> http://calleridfaker.com/recording/0q322au/
[05:17] <xpr3ss> have a good night everyone
[05:17] <KatsumeBlisk> xpr3ss: Likewise. :)
[05:18] <KatsumeBlisk> Well, good night. Hope I helped *some* people out. ;)
[05:29] <Nicolas_Leonida2> hi, I have to type this every time I wanna ssh into the server ssh -i mykey.pem ubuntu@server
[05:29] <Nicolas_Leonida2> 	is there a way I can just type "ssh server" without specifying user and key?
[05:30] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: Yes, man ssh_config
[05:31] <researcher123> !file permission
[05:31] <researcher123> !file
[05:31] <researcher123> !permission
[05:32] <triscuit> is it easy to upgrade to a newer version if your home is encrypted?
[05:32] <Nicolas_Leonida2> Mkaysi: is there an interactive program to do it? or a sample ~/.ssh/config file?
[05:33] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: There isn't, but I can pastebin one
[05:34] <Nicolas_Leonida2> Mkaysi: that would be very nice
[05:35] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: http://paste.ubuntu.com/885920/
[05:35] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: With that config you would only need to run "ssh ssh-server" and it would run "ssh mkaysi@mkaysi.dyndns.org -p 22"
[05:38] <Nicolas_Leonida2> Mkaysi: reading the man page, I think I need to add the key too, to avoid the -i option
[05:39] <Nicolas_Leonida2> IdentityFile possibly?
[05:39] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: Then just add "IdentityFile /home/username/location/of/the/key"
[05:40] <Nicolas_Leonida2> YaaaaaaaaY it works, thank you Mkaysi
[05:40] <jiffe98> when ubuntu is booting up and sys waiting for network configuration, is there a way not to way ?
[05:40] <jiffe98> wait
[05:44] <Mkaysi> Nicolas_Leonida2: You're welcome :)
[05:45] <crfripper> guys, I installed partclone from ubuntu software center, but can't find it on my system?
[05:45] <crfripper> anyone use it?
[05:46] <ehm> crfripper, "can't find it"? Have you tried the command line?
[05:46] <crfripper> yes tried sudo partclone
[05:48] <scottj> is there a way to redirect logging output of a command to a file but have the file not grow beyond a certain size?
[05:49] <crfripper> hmm, from reading maybe I'm supposed to use clonezilla live cd
[05:49] <crfripper> that makes more sense
[05:49] <crfripper> excuse the newbsauce
[05:49] <_0x783czar> Hello, I recently tried changing my ubuntu server's hostname with the hostname command as well as editing /etc/hostname but now I regularly get a unable to resolve hostname error when I use sudo, any ideas?
[05:50] <crfripper> dunno what point downloaded partclone from ubntu software center is though?
[05:56] <CoolCoder> Hi, I have installed libreoffice on ubuntu server. I have started the "soffice --headless" on terminal, but not success in assign port. Please check the terminal commands and results http://paste.ubuntu.com/885936/
[05:57] <jiffe98> anything I can do if ubuntu is stuck at "Stopping Failsafe boot delay" ?
[06:01] <_0x783czar> fixed my hostname issue, thank-you though
[06:05] <banpdtr_> How to change my password..??
[06:05] <satish> fems for rp
[06:05] <satish> FEMALE FOR RP
[06:08] <quakig> Help pls with jack2.. i get the follwoing error in the log file - ERROR: control open "/dev/audio" (No such file or directory)
[06:10] <dax> satish: #ubuntu is a technical support channel, and freenode is a technical and free-software network. We are not a dating service.
[06:11] <quakig> Hey can any one help me configure jack2.. I get the follwoing error message ERROR: control open "/dev/audio" (No such file or directory)- What should i do
[06:11] <hear_no> quakig
[06:11] <hear_no> try making that directory ?
[06:11] <orionsonofneptun> hi
[06:11] <quakig> just a blank directory.. you mean ??
[06:11] <Flannel> orionsonofneptun: Looks like you're good.  Thanks.
[06:12] <orionsonofneptun> yup
[06:12] <turkzonline> hello
[06:12] <turkzonline> ive just installed 12.04
[06:12] <turkzonline> however it is not up for release until next month
[06:12] <turkzonline> my questsion is
[06:12] <turkzonline> is the current version i have, the final version
[06:12] <turkzonline> or will there be further revisions to it
[06:12] <turkzonline> before the release date
[06:12] <turkzonline> ?
[06:12] <FloodBot1> turkzonline: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:13] <orionsonofneptun> ok why wont a blank dvd rw show up in ubuntu 11.10 it dont even spin inoptical drive but other cds work ok whats the deal
[06:13] <quakig> hear_no .. you mean just a blank directory
[06:13] <skinnytop> turkzonline, 12.04 is still in beta I believe
[06:13] <hear_no> quakig, yea why not
[06:13] <hear_no> if it doesn't work chunk it
[06:14] <quakig> hear_no Oh Ok will try and rever back  thanks
[06:14] <turkzonline> how can 12.04 be beta when the release date is next month, i mean how much could they change before then?
[06:15] <orionsonofneptun> ok why wont a blank dvd rw show up in ubuntu 11.10 it dont even spin inoptical drive but other cds work ok whats the deal
[06:17] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: are you sure that it's a dvd drive?
[06:18] <orionsonofneptun> it says dvd rom on it
[06:18] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: yeh, ok well... where do you expect it to show up exactly?
[06:18] <dr-willis> turkzonline:  theres a schedule they follow. there can still be bug fixs and other updates
[06:19] <hydrox24>  turkzonline quite a lot actually, though mostly bugs.
[06:19] <dr-willis> !release
[06:19] <orionsonofneptun> when you put a blank in pc it spins then a shell appears in ubuntu 11.10 saying whats on cd
[06:19] <orionsonofneptun> thats not happening
[06:20] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: open up your file browser and look the the top left
[06:20] <orionsonofneptun> it just tryes to spin then stops
[06:20] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026:  theres no need to msg me.
[06:20] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: it should be there
[06:20] <banpdtr_> Could anyone tell me how to change the root password??
[06:20] <hydrox24> banpdtr_: can you log in as root?
[06:20] <dr-willis> banpdtr_: there is none be default. use sudo as needed
[06:21] <banpdtr_> hydrox24: yes, I can type "su" and get logged in
[06:21] <orionsonofneptun> but if it dont spin how can it ever show up
[06:21] <hydrox24> banpdtr_: what dr-willis said is also correct, you shouldn't need to change root password
[06:21] <orionsonofneptun> i said it wont even spin
[06:21] <dr-willis> use sudo normally. not su.
[06:22] <banpdtr_> I want to the difference between "sudo" and "su" .. pls anyone tell me
[06:22] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: not sure, but can you please check?
[06:22] <dr-willis> !sudo
[06:22] <orionsonofneptun> others do spin thou
[06:22] <zykotick9> !noroot
[06:22] <dr-willis> su swithchs users. sudo has other features
[06:22] <orionsonofneptun> i checked to look like dummy and like i said its not there
[06:23] <quakig> Jackd2 configuration - error cannot start jack ERROR: control open "/dev/audio" (No such file or directory) Help please.. I made a blank directory /dev/audio .. still does not work
[06:23] <orionsonofneptun> if it dont spin then there is no way it will show anywhere
[06:23] <orionsonofneptun> i canhear it trying to spin it then it stops
[06:23] <dr-willis> making a blank a /dev/audio would seem... weird
[06:24] <dr-willis> !info jackd2
[06:24] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: can you tell me if there is output of "ls /dev/ | grep dvd"
[06:25] <orionsonofneptun> hydrox24  how do i do that
[06:25] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: can you open a terminal?
[06:25] <quakig> dr-willis.. thanks any other idea..
[06:25] <orionsonofneptun> yup
[06:25] <orionsonofneptun> type???
[06:25] <dr-willis> quakig:  nope. jackd confuses me
[06:25] <trial_and_error> well, i have succesfully downloaded ubuntu to my usb drive, now how do i run it?
[06:25] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: do so,  then copy the text I sent you and click on the terminal, the key combo to paste is ctrl-shift V
[06:26] <orionsonofneptun> what does that do
[06:26] <dr-willis> trial_and_error: use a tool to 'burn' it to flash. boot the flash
[06:26] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: It will tell me if you have a dvd device
[06:26] <dr-willis> pendrivelinux sti
[06:26] <dr-willis> site has tools.
[06:26] <MightyTravis026> i am in an argument with my friend jayden. he thinks dat the xbox360 is a better system then the wii, and i think he is wrong. what do u think? well if u think that i am rite and he is wrong den just say that i am so i can show jayden and show him who is boss. i mean come on zelda mario metroid is far better than tears of war boringlo fatten or biolame. FUCK XBOX! GO WII!
[06:26] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: just tell me if there is any output.
[06:26] <trial_and_error>  what i was asking was how do you boot the flash?
[06:27] <orionsonofneptun> it says dvd
[06:27] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026: take it elsewhere. this is ubuntu support
[06:27] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: OK, that means that the device is definetely there.
[06:27] <orionsonofneptun> i know that already
[06:27] <quakig> how to point jack at the audio device ??
[06:27] <orionsonofneptun> i said it starts to spin then stops
[06:28] <trial_and_error> how do you boot the flash?
[06:28] <orionsonofneptun> so it obviously senses it
[06:28] <MightyTravis026> sorry man but i need an answer my friend jayden is an idiot
[06:28] <orionsonofneptun> and it works with other cds ok
[06:28] <MightyTravis026> and no one is talking in other chat rooms
[06:28] <dr-willis> quakig:  check the jack homepage and docs
[06:28] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026:  thats not our problem.
[06:28] <tao_> hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
[06:29] <dr-willis> MightyTravis026:  and its a stupid argument
[06:29] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: you're gonna need to get your story straight, before you said it "didn't even spin" and now it *does* spin but then it stops?
[06:30] <hydrox24> dr-willis: don't feed the troll
[06:30] <orionsonofneptun> i said it starts to spin then stops
[06:30] <trial_and_error> can someone please tell me the correct way to boot my flash
[06:30] <orionsonofneptun> and other cds work fine
[06:30] <dr-willis> ive seen optical disks spin then stop if the laser cant.read the disks. chevk dmesg output for errors
[06:31] <orionsonofneptun> how to determine if its ubuntu issue or hardware
[06:31] <dr-willis> trial_and_error:  put the iso on the flash with a tool. reboot pc. tell it to boot frim flash
[06:33] <st1> if I add up all the memory  by each processes, the number is smaller than what FREE says (minus cache/buffer of course), how do I know what's responsible for this?
[06:33] <dr-willis> !ram
[06:33] <st1> yes I read all those
[06:33] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: try the cdrecord program to test writing to the cd
[06:34] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: It's tricky to test if it can be read because there is no data on it.
[06:34] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: can you lay your hand on a DVD *with* some data already on it?
[06:34] <quakig> is there a way i could get adminstrative powers in GUI -- without needing to get into the terminal>>sudo ??
[06:34] <st1> i'm thinking about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/794843 but I don't know what package is responsible
[06:35] <orionsonofneptun> ok maybee people just joining in can help me determine if this is ubuntu 11.10 issue or hardware when i put in dvdrw in drive it starts to spin then stops other cds work ok so whats the deal
[06:35] <dr-willis> quakig: depends on what you.want to.do
[06:35] <orionsonofneptun> ok ill check
[06:35] <dr-willis> orionsonofneptun:  that makes.sence to.me.if.the disk has no data on it
[06:35] <quakig> i simply want to do things like copy paste etc in the root without having to tyupe commands in the terminal
[06:36] <dr-willis> quakig: you can run the.file manager as root.
[06:36] <hydrox24> quakig: try this "gksu nautilus" that will provide you with a admin-powered up GUI file browser
[06:36] <dax> hihi
[06:36] <st1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/952108 also this one, while I also have slideshow wallpaper, but I don't see ram usage go up for xorg or nautilus
[06:36] <elkng> there is "http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35087" a command for backing up root directory: "tar cvpzf backup.tgz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/backup.tgz --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/sys /", is there need for "--exclude=/backup.tgz", wont it be excluded automaticaly ?
[06:36] <orionsonofneptun> if disk has no data it will open shell saying it empty
[06:36] <dr-willis> be Carefull with nautilus as.root
[06:37] <hydrox24> what are you referring to as a shell?
[06:37] <orionsonofneptun> thier is always conformation of disk existance blank or not
[06:37] <hydrox24> a window?
[06:37] <st1> so I don't even know what package or where to report
[06:37] <orionsonofneptun> the window as bill gates puts it
[06:37] <orionsonofneptun> really is a shell
[06:37] <dr-willis> a.optical disk can be empty or unformated.. different things
[06:37] <Talisman> where does the packages database reside on the filesystem, please?
[06:38] <orionsonofneptun> dr-willis im lost on that note
[06:38] <orionsonofneptun> what packages
[06:38] <Talisman> the database of packages
[06:39] <hydrox24> Talisman: as in the apt cache?
[06:39] <Talisman> orionsonofneptun, empty and unformatted are two very different things.
[06:39] <Talisman> hydrox24, I'm guessing, but ya
[06:39] <orionsonofneptun> tell me how it makes a difference
[06:40] <orionsonofneptun> empty and unformatted
[06:40] <dr-willis> orionsonofneptun: if i put a new from the box disk that has never been written to disk.. in the drive. i recall it spins up then stops. theres no filesystem on the disk. so running the filemanager makes no sence.
[06:40] <Talisman> unformatted is unitialized - meaning it has no filesystem
[06:40] <Talisman> uninitialized
[06:40] <Talisman> empty means it has a filesystem, but no files
[06:40] <Talisman> layman enough for you?
[06:41] <hydrox24> Talisman: try /var/cache/apt/
[06:41] <hydrox24> Talisman: somewhere in there
[06:41] <Talisman> hydrox24, tyvm
[06:41] <dr-willis> a blank book.. vs a pile of wood paste. ;)
[06:41] <Talisman> lol, yeh
[06:41] <orionsonofneptun> why does blank cd spin ok earlier is it different than dvd rw
[06:42] <dr-willis> i rarely use cd-rw or other rewriteable media like that
[06:42] <Talisman> hydrox24, that's cool, but I'm looking more for the index of the packages than the packages themselves.
[06:42] <orionsonofneptun> well it also wont spin a cd r
[06:43] <dr-willis> burn some data to them. thats the real test.. i dont recall the core problem with this optical drive discussio
[06:43] <orionsonofneptun> but it will spin os cd
[06:43] <orionsonofneptun> its cd r
[06:44] <dr-willis> an os-cd has data on it.  and a filesystem..
[06:44] <crfripper> wol
[06:44] <dr-willis> so it reads the data... and mounts the disk
[06:44] <hydrox24> Talisman: you can list all installed packages with "dpkg --get-selections"
[06:45] <Talisman> hydrox24, and the uninstalled ones?
[06:45] <orionsonofneptun> hold on i cant think
[06:45] <Talisman> or rather, "not installed"
[06:46] <Talisman> hydrox24, in essence, I want to browse the list of packages instead of trying to install by hit and miss.
[06:46] <orionsonofneptun> but always before blank cds show up in shell
[06:47] <dr-willis> orionsonofneptun:  i dont recall seeing that happen.
[06:47] <orionsonofneptun> i do
[06:47] <dr-willis> blank = launch a burner app.[
[06:47] <dr-willis> which is disabable i recall
[06:47] <hydrox24> Talisman: you can dump the names of all packages in the cache using "apt-cache sump"
[06:47] <hydrox24> Talisman: you can dump the names of all packages in the cache using "apt-cache dump"
[06:48] <dr-willis> !burn
[06:48] <Talisman> hydrox24, aah. ok, thanks
[06:48] <hydrox24> Talisman: if you want to browse packages from the CLI I recommend aptitude
[06:48] <Dulak> Talisman: use synaptic to browse uninstalled packages, it's much nicer than going through a 70k+ line text file
[06:49] <mylisto23> can someone please help me to get my 10.04 back up and running...
[06:49] <mylisto23> I think its a problem with grub
[06:50] <dr-willis> !fixgrub
[06:50] <Talisman> hydrox24, Dulak, aptitude or synaptic... thanks, I'll try them both.
[06:52] <Dulak> Talisman: one is for the command line, the other for the GUI
[06:53] <vn> is ubuntu supposed to support AHCI?
[06:54] <vn> I just switches sata mode from AHCI to IDE and everything boots..
[06:54] <Talisman> Dulak, yeh, I've got them both now - I work a lot in the command line so I'll probably use that one as much as the other :-)
[07:00] <orionsonofneptun> ok maybee people just joining in can help me determine if this is ubuntu 11.10 issue or hardware when i put in dvdrw in drive it starts to spin then stops other cds work ok so whats the deal
[07:01] <orionsonofneptun> in the past its always spun and opened shell regardless of whats on disk
[07:03] <hydrox24> orionsonofneptun: are you able to put in a DVD that has something already on it?
[07:03] <orionsonofneptun> yup and some work and some dont
[07:04] <dr-willis> check 'dmesg' output when inserting disks that have known data on them.
[07:04] <dr-willis> it may show some sort of read errors.
[07:04] <Jatu> What problem are we having ? His drive not reading discs ?
[07:04] <orionsonofneptun> well the only one i got that works works fine
[07:05] <dr-willis> so.... burn some data to the others as a test...
[07:05] <orionsonofneptun> im trying to get sony handycam dvd rw to open shell and say clean disk
[07:05] <orionsonofneptun> it should i think
[07:06] <Jatu> Hmm
[07:07] <dr-willis> if you are blanking a rw media.. the burner tools can do that. im not sure if ubuntu sure if ubuntu supports using a rw disk as a 'big floppy'
[07:07] <dr-willis> spam message from Waste_Tinkle_Flu .... please dont do that Waste_Tinkle_Flu
[07:08] <Jatu> Yeah might try it on a different os unless Ubuntu is the only OS you have available at the moment. If say you have windows try doing on that see if it works there.
[07:08] <dr-willis> isent there some mode setting where you only can get msgs from regiestered nicks..
[07:08] <orionsonofneptun> he should be banned just for his name lol
[07:09] <Jatu> THat's my best suggestion. And yes getting quite annoying seeing his name change every 2 minutes.
[07:10] <dr-willis> if its reading data from his one data disk... and can burn to his one rw disk.. sounds like its working
[07:10] <Jatu> Then what is the forseen problem ?
[07:11] <orionsonofneptun> ok then ill let the issue go until i want to burn a disk
[07:11] <Jatu> Some disk just not allowing it to be written to. Cause from all I read was he wanted to clean disk.
[07:11] <orionsonofneptun> but sony handycam dvd rw little disk should work ok right
[07:11] <dr-willis> Jatu:  sounds like hes expecting the filemanager to popup on an empty optical disk.. which makesa no sence to me
[07:11] <Jatu> Lol I kinda probably missed half of the conversation.
[07:11] <Jatu> Ah I see what you mean then.
[07:11] <orionsonofneptun> dr-willis yes
[07:12] <dr-willis> dvd rw little disk .. HUH
[07:12] <orionsonofneptun> it has done that always
[07:12] <dr-willis> a mini dvd-rw
[07:12] <orionsonofneptun> yup 1.4 gb
[07:12] <dr-willis> never seen one
[07:12] <orionsonofneptun> accu core
[07:12] <mylisto23> so I'm having a hard time booting into my 10.04 installation
[07:12] <Jatu> If anything only pop-up I would imagine appearing is something along the lines of "What do you want to do with this disk" also could be that driver or ubuntu is having problems reading a mini dvd'
[07:12] <orionsonofneptun> interesting disk
[07:13] <orionsonofneptun> well were getting alittle of ubuntu huh
[07:13] <dr-willis> mylisto23:  what does it do...
[07:14] <mylisto23> dr-willis: it just sits there
[07:14] <dr-willis> mylisto23:  where? at grub? at bios..
[07:14] <dr-willis> we need details
[07:14] <mylisto23> so I used a livecd and chose "repair grub"...I did that on the main hd
[07:15] <mylisto23> I think its at the grub
[07:15] <dr-willis> so you see what exactly?
[07:15] <mylisto23> then yesterday it wasn't booting so someone told me to hold down the shift key and low and behold it worked...now today after a restart not even holding down the shift key will show the grub menu
[07:15] <mylisto23> now I just get a black screen with a flashing cursor
[07:15] <orionsonofneptun> ok what controls does ubuntu 11.10 have for optical drive
[07:16] <dr-willis> shift keys shows the grub menu if its set to hide.
[07:16] <mylisto23> I've got supergrub disk on thumbdrive now
[07:17] <orionsonofneptun> where to find ubuntu master
[07:17] <mylisto23> I'm at a loss for what I need to do
[07:17] <dr-willis> vague questions are vague....
[07:17] <orionsonofneptun> ubuntu master technologist
[07:17] <orionsonofneptun> ???????
[07:17] <Jatu> I know bodhi_zazen in #ubuntuforums  is a very knowledged person but he is currently not on.
[07:18] <dr-willis> mylisto23:  id try a ubuntu live cd and that fixboot tool
[07:18] <mylisto23> fixboot tool?
[07:18] <mylisto23> where is it located?
[07:18] <Jatu> WOuld check there a few times to see if he could help.
[07:18] <techquila> I got a random issue thats got me stuffed and would appreciate some ideas if ya have any... I can't access youtube from any browser whatsoever... its not blocked at my router, I admin my network and haven't blocked it anywhere.. have run an update recently and suspect its happened from there but can't be sure.. it makes no sense... any ideas?
[07:18] <dr-willis> !fixgrub
[07:18] <dr-willis> that url mentions it. i rarely use it
[07:18] <Jatu> Techquila simple question
[07:19] <mylisto23> what url?
[07:19] <dr-willis> the bot seems dead. it gave the url earlier
[07:19] <Jatu> Gotta think of how I was gonna word this just lost my trail of thoughts
[07:19] <techquila> Jatu: as in you want one or are ya just sayin?
[07:20] <Jatu> IS your adobe flash player and related stuff up to date ? Try updating plugins on firefox and working from there ?
[07:20] <mylisto23> dr-willis: doesn't super grub disk do the same thing?
[07:20] <Jatu> As I can't see a ubuntu update preventing you from watching stuff on youtube. Unless ofcourse something got deleted while replacing something else.
[07:21] <dr-willis> mylisto23:  i suggest using the actual ubuntu disk and tools.. since you tried to fix it with supergrub and it failed...
[07:21] <techquila> its not flash related I don't think.. its just not finding the site.  I used to watch youtube fine... i'm current on all flash,,etc... but use html5 anyways now
[07:21] <Jatu> Oh not finding the site like what does it tell you ?
[07:21] <Jatu> When you try to access it
[07:21] <techquila> thats just it.. nothing.. its searches and searches and times out
[07:21] <thatsashok> guys need help in recovering data from accidentally formatted partition
[07:21] <techquila> no other problems with any other browsing though Jatu
[07:21] <thatsashok> any tools available for that in ubuntu ?
[07:22] <techquila> random hey
[07:22] <dr-willis> thatsashok:  formated how
[07:22] <Jatu> Weird never encountered this myself but then again I stay away from updating to much.
[07:22] <thatsashok> dr-willis: my frind did it by mistake
[07:22] <thatsashok> *friend
[07:22] <Jatu> After it times out does it just hang on a blank page ?
[07:22] <techquila> can't confirm it was the update.. just that happened this week around the same time this problem occured
[07:22] <dr-willis> thatsashok: ... yes... what filesystem and tools....
[07:23] <thatsashok> dr-willis: NTFS
[07:23] <techquila> just trying it again to double check.. just seem to endlessly be "waiting for www.youtube.com"
[07:23] <thatsashok> dr-willis: he used disk utility under system>administration he is in 10.10
[07:23] <techquila> other machines on the network can connect fine.. just my main machine
[07:24] <dr-willis> !undelete
[07:24] <tpl2000> Does anyone know the commands for installing PyGTK 2.10.0, GTK.Glade, and GTK+ 2.10.0?
[07:24] <Jatu> Hmm I really am stumped to what could be causing your problem.
[07:25] <techquila> hehe.. now theres two of us!
[07:25] <Jatu> So all other machines on same network can connect fine. Different browsers can connect 2 it fine.
[07:26] <Jatu> Is that right ?
[07:26] <thatsashok> dr-willis: thanks going through it now
[07:26] <tpl2000> Does anyone know what repository PyGTK, GTK.Glade, and GTK+ are in?
[07:27] <dr-willis> !find pygtk
[07:27] <techquila> yup ..every other machine has no problems... just specific to this machine and is a problem with every browser I use on this machine: Opera, Chrome, and FF
[07:27] <ItsMeLenny> they usually are in the main repo
[07:27] <tpl2000> Ty
[07:27] <tpl2000> !find gtk.glade
[07:27] <tpl2000> Nope, I can't control the bot
[07:27] <tpl2000> Ohwait
[07:28] <troy> exit
[07:28] <tpl2000> !find gtk+
[07:28] <dr-willis> find looks for fileames. and gives what package use !info packagename for details
[07:28] <Jatu> Check though like you said it probably said worth a try making sure adobe flash player is up to date or the current plugins are installed if all else fails check to see if the updates were important and if not system recovery lol.
[07:28] <ItsMeLenny> gtk3 has its own python bindings
[07:29] <tpl2000> !info gir1.2-dbusmenu-gtk-0.4
[07:29] <Jatu> Woops mis worded that. Even  though you said it probably isn't I would still suggest checking plug-ins and seeing what is enabled and what isn't
[07:29] <Jatu> Could be a problem with a certain program running also.
[07:29] <mylisto23> 	I'm trying to use super grub to fix my ubuntu installation...when I tried to fix grub I got "error 15: file not found booting 'not lucky'"
[07:29] <techquila> yea just looking into the updates now.. I remember there was a chrome update... will do.. .bbs
[07:29] <Jatu> kk good luck
[07:30] <Jatu> Mylisto is a livecd you are trying to use to install with ?
[07:30] <tpl2000> Meh. Does anyone know a good Ubuntu alternative to cpu-z?
[07:30] <mylisto23> jatu: I'm using a flashdrive with super grub disk right now
[07:31] <Jatu> How much space is on the flash drive ?
[07:31] <mylisto23> 4 gigs I think
[07:32] <Jatu> Hmm the file not found sounds like either the drive is being misread or you got corrupt data.
[07:32] <k013> hi, doubt, please help! when booting up ubuntu 11.10, it alternatively flickers between black screen and login screen, unable to login, what to do?
[07:32] <tpl2000> Did you checksum the USB drive, Mylisto?
[07:32] <mylisto23> I'm ready to take a baseball bat to my comptuer now
[07:32] <mylisto23> no I didn't tpl2000:
[07:33] <fre3bird> i'm very aware of why no one helped me with my sound card issue
[07:33] <tpl2000> You may want to try that first before "installing" more hardware
[07:33] <Jatu> Be patient lol. I'm trying to switch to another linux -os and just making the bootable usb is taking ages.
[07:33] <Jatu> Time solves all problems.
[07:34] <tpl2000> Except for the ones that get progressively worse
[07:34] <mylisto23> this is such b.s.  ubuntu totally fried my installation
[07:34] <Jatu> I doubt it was ubuntu =/
[07:34] <tpl2000> Anyone, cpu-z alternative?
[07:34] <mylisto23> Jatu: I didn't do anything different...
[07:34] <techquila> Jatu: you sound like a busy man so I won't keep bugging you.. this is in the x files i reckon
[07:34] <techquila> no luch
[07:34] <Jatu> Lol techquila I am not busy I just try to help out
[07:35] <Jatu> WIth the little bit of information I do know
[07:35] <Jatu> I'm still learning myself.
[07:35] <techquila> mylisto23:  ubuntu don't do nothing... its a tool.. users fry their own systems
[07:35] <fre3bird> i'm not banned from anything (google)
[07:36] <k013> hi, please help! when booting up ubuntu 11.10, it alternatively flickers between black screen and login screen, unable to login, what to do?
[07:36] <Jatu> What are you booting off of ?
[07:36] <jswagner> k013: ATI?
[07:37] <Jatu> Also ATI like he said
[07:37] <k013> jatu - hp laptop dv6, jswagner - nvidia geforce with cuda
[07:37] <Jatu> LiveCd or Usb did you make it correctly ? Are your drivers compatible with it ?
[07:38] <k013> jatu - its a dual boot system, was working well untill yeterday!
[07:38] <techquila> can you log in at all k013 or it happens when you boot in
[07:38] <tpl2000> What happened yesterday? o.o
[07:39] <Jatu> That was about to be my question. What changed from yesterday ?
[07:39] <techquila> i had a similar issue on an older machine that just couldn't handle unity
[07:39] <k013> tpl2000 - firefox malfunctioned, so i uninstalled and reinstalled it that's all, nothing else, but the issue was not fixed, contd
[07:39] <techquila> so i switch to classic and sweet
[07:40] <Jatu> Wait you reinstalled the OS because firefox malfunctioned ?
[07:40] <techquila> surely just firefox
[07:40] <k013> contd when is switch windows using alt+tab the firebox browser simply closed, that was the issue!
[07:41] <k013> reinstalled firefox jatu
[07:41] <AdvoWork> for some reason, my dvdrw has stopped working in ubuntu 10.04. No errors in /var/log/messages Any ideas what I can do please? It doesn't auto pop up when I put a dvd in, and when I right click > send to disc, it only gives the option to burn to image, not the disk :S dmesg | grep dvd shows its there..
[07:41] <Jatu> Ah kk just wanted to make sure lol.
[07:41] <mylisto23> argh
[07:41] <tpl2000> Advowork: Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[07:41] <Jatu> Um you still got a live cd or usb stick ?
[07:41] <techquila> hahaha tpl
[07:41] <mylisto23> yeah I do
[07:41] <techquila> IT Crowd?
[07:41] <mylisto23> I've got both
[07:42] <tpl2000> Techquila: Yep ;) Still the first question you should ask yourself in troubleshooting
[07:42] <Jatu> Try booting from one of those and see if it works.
[07:42] <techquila> tpl2000, my favourite series of all time
[07:42] <k013> techquila - unable to login at all
[07:42] <tpl2000> techquila: Mine too =] Any clue when s5 is starting?
[07:42] <Jatu> If it works that way something on your drive could have corrupted the current settings or drivers is what I'm thinking though I could be totally wrong.
[07:43] <k013> jatu is there a safe mode which i can boot into?
[07:43] <Jatu> So I suggest checking if you can boot a liveOS from cd/usb and if screen still flashes I would suggest trying your other os and checking your drivers.
[07:43] <techquila> k013: you been using this install for a while i take it?
[07:43] <AdvoWork> tpl2000, yeah done that, no difference
[07:43] <techquila> tpl2000, I didn't think there was one coming
[07:44] <k013> techquila - yes since it was released
[07:44] <Jatu> Cause screen flashing more or less sounds like a driver issue if anything,
[07:44] <tpl2000> techquila: Doesn't seem to me like they would've stopped it at season 4, I'll check later
[07:44] <mylisto23> jatu: are you talking to me?
[07:44] <Jatu> mylisto23 : yes I am
[07:44] <tpl2000> Advowork: Do you have a separate machine or OS you could test the drive with? We need to make sure it isn't the drive's fault
[07:44] <Jatu> Oh no
[07:44] <mylisto23> there is not screen flashing
[07:45] <AdvoWork> tpl2000, i haven't unfortunaetyely as its a laptop one :S
[07:45] <Jatu> Wait yes
[07:45] <Jatu> So many things being said lol
[07:45] <Jatu> I almost got lost mylisto23 yes I am talking to you.
[07:45] <techquila> k013 i agree with Jatu.. unless hardware problem... firefox issue would not have caused this
[07:45] <techquila> you may need to boot in with live cd and attempt recovery
[07:45] <k013> techquila - ok is there a safe mode, how do i login in?
[07:46] <Jatu> AdvoWork : Try taking out your dvd drive reboot without it in. Then turn off and reinsert like that ?
[07:46] <Jatu> Lol
[07:46] <tpl2000> advowork: There are alternative methods for everything you listed as being a problem. Can you still burn to dvd with brasero, and does it still read disks?
[07:46] <Jatu> I really did get mixed up in 2 conversations
[07:46] <Jatu> Good I am to adhd.
[07:47] <Jatu> mylisto23 : sorry what was your problem again
[07:47] <Jatu> I see my mistake I was talking to 2 people at once and got way to lost.
[07:47] <techquila> K013  whats your level of experience with ubuntu?  not trying to be a dick just will help me help you
[07:47] <Aesthenaut> are there tons of problems with mounting ios devices on ubuntu?
[07:48] <k013> just a user not a code writer, techquila, sorry!
[07:48] <Jatu> k013 You don't need to be in safe mode just see if you can reboot from Cd/usb if screen still flashes sounds like a driver issue.
[07:48] <k013> jatu - ok
[07:48] <rabbi1> Libre Office: Start Recovery Process doesn't end at all :(
[07:48] <guest-JOsbDO> just would like to tell all all the Ubuntu people how selfish they are ... Now i understand why not many people use this OS or has even heard about it.. Considering, people refuse to create games for children to learn the command line, This is exactly why Microsoft sales MOST OS's
[07:49] <Jatu> How are we being selfish ?
[07:49] <Jatu> And there is a game for children to slowly learn linux lol
[07:49] <guest-JOsbDO> READS WHAT I JUST WROTE
[07:49] <guest-JOsbDO> NO!! NOT THE COMMAND LINE
[07:50] <Jatu> That makes no sense.
[07:50] <tpl2000> YO
[07:50] <guest-JOsbDO> YES IT DOES
[07:50] <tpl2000> J0SBD0
[07:50] <tpl2000> NOT ENOUGH CAPS LOCK BRO
[07:50] <mylisto23> WE NEED MORE CAPSLOCK
[07:50] <mylisto23> er cowbell ;)
[07:50] <tpl2000> ^
[07:51] <Jatu> ARE YOU MAD WITH UBUNTU OR MICROSOFT.
[07:51] <techquila> salgood k013... you have a live cd?
[07:51] <guest-JOsbDO> i'm a girl thats wanted her little niece to learn
[07:51] <Jatu> Check learning section of
[07:51] <techquila> GOOGLE
[07:51] <Jatu> Ubuntu software center
[07:51] <guest-JOsbDO> did that
[07:52] <Jatu> There is a great deal of programs for youngsters to get used to linux.
[07:52] <k013> techquila - no, it was a direct upgrade from update manager
[07:52] <techquila> guest-JOsbDO, what you said is absolutely ridiculous ... user error yet again
[07:53] <Jatu> k013 techquila I will be afk for a short few minutes i will be back and try to help to best of my ability.
[07:53] <guest-JOsbDO> i looked
[07:53] <Jatu> Mind you I am still learning myself the nooks and cranies.
[07:53] <The_BROS> anybody knows why it is not possible to export bookmarks, passwords and cookies from Firefox 11 to Chromium. It was possible before.
[07:53] <Jatu> Josbdo when I get back I will look thru software center and tell you a couple
[07:53] <techquila> k013: you have a net enabled pc though by the looks so it would pay to download the live cd and hit me up once you got it and ready to boot in under it
[07:53] <Jatu> Be like 5 or so minutes
[07:54] <guest-JOsbDO> if its hard to find.. Not one child will take the time to learn
[07:54] <tpl2000> bfd
[07:54] <tpl2000> You're the adult, you do the downloading and the teaching
[07:54] <techquila> The_BROS, you can export them as html and then import them
[07:54] <tpl2000> That's how things work
[07:54] <AdvoWork> tpl2000, Jatu tried the reboot without dvd, no luck. Brasero says: Please insert a writable cd or dvd.. which it is?
[07:55] <k013> ok jatu and techquila will get back to you both, thank you so much, love ubuntu, just sayin!
[07:55] <tpl2000> Advowork: Does it still read files?
[07:55] <techquila> AdvoWork,  is brasero the reason you believe your dvd to be the problem.. sorry i haven't been following your thread..
 but how about "export from another browser" tool? Is it not working?
[07:55] <guest-JOsbDO> tpl2000: why??? when MS is so much user friendly.. I tried pushing Ubuntu and linux but it is too difficult for children
[07:55] <tpl2000> advowork: If not, it might just be the dvd drive.
[07:56] <techquila> The_BROS, yea thats never worked for me so i just use the export /import method
[07:56] <AdvoWork> hmmm, i've just put in a different disc, and it seems ok.. which is strange. The dvds are DVD-R 16x. These are new discs, but the old case/batch I had were the same. The dvd i've just put in states Blank DVD+R?
[07:57] <elkng> the size of "ubuntu-11.10-dvd-i386.iso" is 1.5G, why its not full DVD 4.7G ?
[07:57] <ehm> JOsbDO: What could a "little niece" be doing that's so difficult?
[07:57] <techquila> guest-JOsbDO, its a learning curve like all things in life.  Ubuntu shits all over anything out there on the market today... you have to put the time and the effort into learning how to use it.. the reward is so sweet
 it was working for me in previous versions of mozilla and Chromium, but after update it has stopped
[07:57] <erespond> bro... am have mp4 vid am need burn it to vcd player and can wath to cd player what i do ??
[07:57] <tpl2000> Advowork: It might just have been the dvd then. See if everything works with the dvd you just put in
[07:58] <erespond> bro... am have mp4 vid am need burn it to cd and can wath to cd player what i do ??
[07:58] <techquila> AdvoWork, i have problems with cheap discs all the time in brasero
[07:58] <tpl2000> Erespond: Please for the love of god learn to type first
[07:58] <ultrixx> guest-JOsbDO: no it is much easier to use than windows
[07:58] <guest-JOsbDO> anyway, everyone here keep living in a dream world.. but keep in mind.. less and less computer companies are using Linux .. It was a shock Dell computers even considered
[07:58] <erespond> what application you recomend for me on windows i used nero ?
[07:58] <ehm> JOsbDO: I suggest installing some puzzle games.  Learn to explore, first.
[07:59] <techquila> The_BROS, mmm.. as i say never worked for me... but i telll you since the last chrome update i can't view youtube on any browser ... random as
[07:59] <erespond> tpl2000, :P, am need burn my file on cd, and that can used for play on cd player.
[07:59] <tpl2000> erespond: Just use Brasero. It comes with ubuntu stock.
[07:59] <AdvoWork> DOH! i didnt think to try a different dvd, just because it was a brand new pack.. Ive putin the 2nd disc down and its fine lol
[07:59] <erespond>  am need burn my file on cd, and that can used for play on cd player.
[07:59] <guest-JOsbDO> ehm: thankyou.. you might understand
[07:59] <erespond> are you sued brasero can burn cd and i can used for cd player at home ?
[08:00] <erespond> tpl2000, are you sued brasero can burn cd and i can used for cd player at home ?
[08:00] <tpl2000> erespond: I have no idea. Try it.
[08:00] <The_BROS> Is it safe to install 12.04 already or it would be better to wait for relese?
[08:00] <techquila> guest-JOsbDO, you clearly have no idea what you are talking about!  the internet would not survive without linux and it is the number one choice for mission critical high availability server environments
[08:00] <techquila> just cos you don't understand it don't go spitting your hate!
[08:00] <erespond> tpl2000, am just have one cd, my home so far bro, so what i can do. on windows i used nero and on ubuntu what  you recomend
[08:01] <tpl2000> Erespond: Already told ya, use Brasero.
[08:01] <kammkzz> .
[08:01] <ultrixx> techquila: well the internet would survive, there is still bsd....
[08:01] <Jatu> Josbdo more and more people are using linux as it is open-source. The whole project idea was based on people working together. I will check for a few things for kids and linux but why not try teaching her yourself ?
[08:01] <techquila> sorry ultrixx... generalisations i am guilty of.  maybe i should retract and say Unix
[08:01] <ehm> techquila, chill. She's talking about kids/grandparents using it.
[08:01] <erespond> are brasero can used for cd player
[08:02] <tpl2000> erespond: Yes.
[08:02] <tpl2000> Does anyone know a decent alternative for cpu-z?
[08:02] <guest-JOsbDO> techquila: you really are retarded.. come on!! tell me what 11 year old girl cares about what you just mentioned .. unless they are from the middle east. No offense
[08:02] <techquila> my two year old uses linux ... he can't write shell scripts but he can find the games and the movies
[08:02] <guest-JOsbDO> HE??
[08:03] <tpl2000> OH NO
[08:03] <tpl2000> IT HAS A PENIS
[08:03] <guest-JOsbDO> techquila: He?
[08:03] <tpl2000> KILL IT WITH FIRE
[08:03] <FloodBot1> tpl2000: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[08:03] <ehm> "find the games and the movies" <-- that's what i'm suggesting to do.
[08:03] <Jatu> Linux of any distro is not something you just jump into expecting to learn from the get go. It takes time and dedication.
[08:03] <techquila> guest-JOsbDO, no offense... after calling me retarded?
[08:03] <Jatu> Give me a  minute or 2 and I wil ltry to point you to a few programs for kids to get started.
[08:04] <guest-JOsbDO> just saying, boys are more likely to learn than girls
[08:04] <Jatu> Also suggest for a child to use 10.04 it is more like window than 11.10
[08:04] <tpl2000> guest-J0sbD0: I really just don't get why you're here. "Windows is better and it's all your fault!"
[08:04] <Jatu> Here is one you could try using the "educational desktop for ubuntu"
[08:05] <Jatu> kturtle is another linux program for younger people.
[08:05] <Jatu> To understand programing of it a bit more.
[08:06] <techquila> guest-JOsbDO, i'm picking up not only racist but now sexist inferences from your dialogue... you get out of life what you put in.. .spend some time to learn.. don't hate because you are frustrated.. there are many great resources out there.. you've come into this channel and slated the operating system this channel exists for, and the users of it.  I've no time or tolerance for people like you.  fuck off and enjoy windows 7
[08:06] <Jatu> Also "Linux Letters and Numbers "
[08:06] <guest-JOsbDO> Jatu: stop for a second and think about sesame street .. think what young girls like to do !!!
[08:06] <iceroot> guest-JOsbDO: stop it please and stay ontopic
[08:07] <guest-JOsbDO> I am
[08:07] <Jatu> This is not something you are going to find a sesame street like game. No OS has a game to teach kids in a sesame street based atomsphere to use the command line or anyhting like that.
[08:07] <Jatu> There is a "Pre-School Bundle" for ubuntu.
[08:07] <guest-JOsbDO> i am talking about future generations
[08:07] <techquila> *elmo write a bash script
[08:07] <tpl2000> If any does, linux would be about the only one ._.;
[08:07] <techquila> you talk about future generations but live in the past
[08:07] <Jordan_U> guest-JOsbDO: You're attitude toward others in this channel is unnacceptable. If you don't want to use Ubuntu, then don't. If you don't have a support question, please find another channel to chat in.
[08:08] <Jordan_U> !language | techquila
[08:08] <Jatu> Then why not try and make a game yourself for the future generations. Or set up a group with others to try to make one.
[08:09] <Jatu> This is open-source and all help to make it better for all ages - races - nationalities to use.
[08:09] <techquila> never will i ever let anyone regulate my language Jordan_U!  I'm off .. cya
[08:09] <guest-JOsbDO> i am really trying to explain a problem.. i wasn't trying to be rude.. just stating facts
[08:09] <ehm> hence the caps, right?
[08:09] <Jordan_U> guest-JOsbDO: This channel is for Ubuntu support questions only. It's not for unproductive rants about shortcomings of Ubuntu as you see them.
[08:10] <Jatu> Okay let me try to put it this way. I'm trying to find you a solution to help you help your niece. Linux is not like windows. As in order to do something of major significance you must take the time to learn it.
[08:10] <guest-JOsbDO> caps.. this is because i am using my cousins computer. her keyboard is crap
[08:10] <tpl2000> Here's a support question then. Both LSHW and Dmidecode display my memory as 667mhz, (ddr3) when it's set to run at (13.33 x 240)mhz.
[08:10] <iceroot> guest-JOsbDO: stop it!!!
[08:11] <vancha> goodday all
[08:11] <tpl2000> Whoops, meant (6.67x240)
[08:11] <Jatu> I gave you a list of quite a few programs that can help a kid get used to the Linux enviroment. THink of linux like school it's not fun till you get to know it better.
[08:11] <vancha> does anyone know why the www.omgubuntu.co.uk site is down?
[08:11] <Jordan_U> guest-JOsbDO: And your language has been both rude to the people to whom it was directed, and offensive on the whole.
[08:12] <vancha> oh sorry did i get in the middle of something here :O
[08:12] <Jatu> You'd be suprised how quick kids learn. They may not like it at first but would you rather spend $200 on a OS that has little to no free programs to help a kid learn it and it's enviroment ?
[08:13] <crizzy> i'm more than willing to spend 200$ on an OS that works :)
[08:13] <vancha> crizzy did you have a problem with linux?
[08:13] <iceroot> !ot
[08:13] <vancha> i've never had a problem with it myself, but im still a beginner though ;)
[08:14] <Jatu> Now I tried to help you out with listing a few kid programs. So love it or hate it.
[08:14] <vancha> been using it for three years, but never got into the whole command-line thing
[08:14] <Jatu> Now does someone here have a problem they need help with ?
[08:15] <vancha> well Jatu , i was wondering if anyone knew why the omgubuntu site was down, i have not been able to reach it all morning :)
[08:15] <Escherial> as much as kate bothers me in other respects, i really like how it groups open files in a treeview
[08:16] <Escherial> is there another editor that groups files like that that's not kate?
[08:16] <Jordan_U> vancha: That's not really an Ubuntu support question, you might try asking in #ubuntu-offtopic.
[08:16] <guest-JOsbDO> i just tried addressing you Jatu, thinking you were a adult.. apparently not
[08:16] <vancha> ah sorry, i will. thanks Jordan_U
[08:16] <iceroot> Escherial: i only know that vim can do that but its cli
[08:16] <Jordan_U> vancha: You're welcome.
[08:16] <Escherial> iceroot: fair enough; i desperately need to learn how to use vim, anyhow :)
[08:17] <vancha> what kind of editor are you looking for Escherial ?
[08:17] <vancha> i personally love scite :O
[08:17] <Jatu> J0sbDO why are you being rude ? I tried giving you a list of programs to help your niece. Have you tried any of those programs with here ?
[08:17] <Jordan_U> Escherial: I highly recommend "vimtutor" (it's a command).
[08:17] <Jatu> her*
[08:17] <scottj> vancha: don't know, but it was down a couple hours ago
[08:17] <helmut_> hi
[08:17] <vancha> alright thanks scottj , ill keep trying :O
[08:17] <Jatu> Vancha: i also have no clue sorry I can't help you with it.
[08:18] <iceroot> Escherial: vim-tutor is a nice "program" which is good for learning vim, its availabe after you installed vim
[08:18] <guest-JOsbDO> but children's attention span is short
[08:18] <iceroot> Escherial: vimtutor
[08:18] <iceroot> guest-JOsbDO: its offtopic here
[08:18] <iceroot> guest-JOsbDO: please stop it
[08:18] <Escherial> Jordan_U, iceroot: thanks, i'll check it out
[08:19] <Escherial> vancha: well, preferably a graphical editor, but i think i'm going to entertain/distract myself with learning vim for a while...
[08:19] <iceroot> Escherial: learning vim is always a good idea :)
[08:19] <iceroot> Escherial: but please use vim and not vi
[08:19] <guest-JOsbDO> an 11 or 12 year old are thinking about boys
[08:19] <Jatu> Question as I am still learning  myself what is Vim ?
[08:20] <vancha> vim is a text editor
[08:20] <iceroot> guest-JOsbDO: last warning, stop it!!
[08:20] <vancha> that you can use in the command line interface
[08:20] <dr-willis> 'the' text editor. ;)
[08:20] <vancha> ^^
[08:20] <Jatu> Ah okay. I'm still not as near as close to being as knowledgable as some of the users here but gotta start somewhere lol.
[08:21] <iceroot> there is only one real editor, the other is a nice operating system without a good editor (emacs) :)
[08:21] <vancha> well Jatu , i think ubuntu is more user friendly then windows if you only use the necessary stuff :O
[08:21] <vancha> you dont need to  learn a whole deal if your a normal user ;)
[08:21] <ejv> emacs is awful, nano please.
[08:21] <guest-JOsbDO> iceroot: you are really getting on my nerves.. Show your power fattass and boot me/ban me.. all you have is your IRC channel dumbass
[08:22] <iceroot> !ops | guest-JOsbDO
[08:22] <guest-JOsbDO> get a girlfriend
[08:22] <guest-JOsbDO> if you can
[08:22] <Jatu> Lolol
[08:22] <ejv> i don't think it's quite an emergency, can you two /ignore one another?
[08:23] <vancha> XD
[08:23] <ejv> nvm, i type too slowly apparently
[08:23] <Escherial> well, that was certainly an odd way to make friends o_o
[08:23] <Tm_T> iceroot: please leave editor flamewar jokes here
[08:23] <Jatu> Off topic but might I say someone just got owned. Comes in here attacks everyone and gets mad when I suggest like 8 different child based programs.
[08:23] <ejv> Jatu: this is the mourning period where we "move along" :)
[08:24] <Jatu> I am not sure if this is the area to ask but anyone here have experience with "backtrack5" I was just wanting to know the learning curve I was looking at.
[08:24] <vancha> i found out yesterday that even gaming on linux is more 'alive' than i ever imagined :O
[08:24] <iceroot> !backtrack | Jatu
[08:25] <mylisto23> haha
[08:25] <Jatu> Darn.
[08:25] <Jatu> Well that answered my question lol.
[08:25] <iceroot> Jatu: sorry
[08:25] <vancha> backtrack5 is not comparible to ubuntu, its more of a "hackers" distribution, and altough it tries to make hacking easier, its HARD :P
[08:25] <mylisto23> jatu: I found out what was messing my system up!  a stupid sandisk 8 gig chip..the system was trying to boot off of it :D
[08:25] <ejv> pretty much all questions can be answered reading the community documentation
[08:26] <ejv> or just reading in general via google
[08:26] <Jatu> It's fine I undestand the pretenses.
[08:26] <Shabba> college programming student here, just switched like 10 mins ago, so what programs are used for writing/compiling code?
[08:26] <Jatu> Well I actually was wanting to get into network security again I learned a bit in windows but thougt it was worth a ask before I got it done.
[08:26] <iceroot> Shabba: what language?
[08:26] <ejv> Shabba: a text editor and gcc?
[08:26] <vancha> Shabba: what kind of programming?
[08:27] <Shabba> java
[08:27] <vancha> i use bluefish
[08:27] <vancha> for PHP
[08:27] <vancha> eclipse for java
[08:27] <Jatu> Java is always fun. Was the first programming i got into lol. I wanna teach myself some php next.
[08:27] <vancha> very good IDE :O i think its in the software center, but i downloaded it from the site.
[08:27] <ejv> your teacher didn't tell you how to compile using the java sdk... questionable curriculum...
[08:28] <vancha> i love php Jatu :D im making a site in php right now ^^
[08:28] <iceroot> Shabba: i would suggest eclipse
[08:28] <Shabba> like the first day, been using netbeans ever since
[08:29] <vancha> Shabba: http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/eclipse/downloads/drops/R-3.7.2-201202080800/eclipse-SDK-3.7.2-linux-gtk.tar.gz
[08:29] <iceroot> Shabba: netbeans is available for ubuntu too
[08:29] <Jatu> I plan dual booting backtrack and ubuntu 10.04. I probably know the answer but is there a chance of them interfering with eachother since they are both linux based or nah ?
[08:29] <iceroot> vancha: you can install eclipse directly from the repos
[08:29] <iceroot> !repos | vancha
[08:29] <ejv> why are you guys suggesting such glitzy advanced editors, how about something basic like emacs or gedit, since he or she is a novice.
[08:29] <reith2004> try sublimetext it fast...
[08:29] <dr-willis> i like geany
[08:29] <vancha> ejv: BECAUSE he is a novice, wouldnt you want an editor that helps you code?
[08:29] <pdq> geany is good, fast and lightweight
[08:30] <dr-willis> and avail for windows
[08:30] <Jatu> Is it fine to dual-boot 2 linux distros ? Or is there a chance they will interfere with eachother ?
[08:30] <ejv> i'd argue that, early on, crutches are bad
[08:30] <Jatu> Just making sure I don't do anything wrong so i ask alot of questions myself when needed.
[08:31] <vancha> hmm.. you could be right, im still learning java myself though :P started last year, and all i've used so far is eclipse. except for some editors that didnt really work out for me.
[08:32] <henryC> I don't know whether to ask in #nginx or here.  I used to always compile nginx from source.  I just upgraded to 11.10 and I just want to use nginx from the repo.  I end up with no binary.  "apt-get cache show nginx" talks about a "dummy package"...?
[08:32] <Jatu> Vancha : you mentioned backtrack messed up your system. If not mistaken. What ways so ?
[08:33] <iceroot> henryC: dummy-package is a metapackage which is just a package which has dependencies and will install other packages
[08:33] <vancha> i didnt Jatu :O had to be someone else. i did say it was hard :)
[08:33] <Jatu> Ah okay
[08:33] <iceroot> henryC: like ubuntu-desktop, that package does not contain unity and so on just a dependency to everything which is needed
[08:33] <Jatu> Thanks though ^^
[08:33] <vancha> its not easy to learn how to 'hack'
[08:33] <Jatu> I'm don't want something easy lol X{
[08:33] <Jatu> XP
[08:33] <vancha> :P
[08:34] <henryC> iceroot:  So should there be another step?  apt-get install nginx reports no error, but seems to produce no binary either.
[08:34] <dr-willis> learn some actual skills. ;)
[08:34] <Jatu> dr-willis who ?
[08:34] <iceroot> !info | nginx oneiric
[08:34] <iceroot> !info  nginx oneiric
[08:35] <iceroot> henryC:   nginx-common nginx-full
[08:35] <iceroot> henryC: that are the packages which are pulled by nginx
[08:36] <iceroot> is there something like dpkg -L for not installed packages?
[08:36] <Jatu> lol
[08:36] <bilegt> do your chrome browsers lag when it loads page?
[08:36] <Jatu> Jake from london, uk why is your name hackme ?
[08:37] <Jatu> Bilegt make sure its not your connection first or your drivers.
[08:37] <Jatu> They could be causing the "lag"
[08:38] <henryC> iceroot:  ok, so any idea why it doesn't install an executable?  Not sure what I could have done to this server.  I've been running nginx compiled from source for years, but I wanted to change that.
[08:38] <vancha> Jatu: are you using a proxy?
[08:38] <Jatu> you can go to properties and choose for it to run as an executable
[08:39] <Jatu> vancha : No i am not why ?
[08:39] <vancha> nvm :O i was wondering why everyones IP adresses show when you click there names
[08:39] <bilegt> Jatu: can it any problem with compiz's opengl?
[08:39] <vancha> this is my first time on IRC here :)
[08:40] <dr-willis> vancha:  /whois nickname to see details
[08:40] <vancha> used to hang around in the ubuntu-nl and ubuntu-nl offtopic channes ^^
[08:40] <vancha> thx dr-willis
[08:40] <Jatu> Bilegt that would be out of my league. My browsers on lag during downtime. Either than that I have had no problem. It's just personal experience that suggests its a driver or connection problem. Does it last all day ?
[08:41] <Jatu> Or only happen random times of the day ?
[08:41] <bilegt> Jatu: all the time, when it loads a new page
[08:43] <Jatu> Bilegt did this problem start when you first came to using Ubuntu ?
[08:43] <bilegt> Jatu: it was all right when it was fresh installed. I deleted ~/.config/chromium and it's working smoothly. But my data are gone :(
[08:44] <Jatu> bilegt : Ah then yeah I have no clue what to tell you. I am also still learning and it seems out of my grasp. If I think of anything I will let you know.
[08:44] <Birliban> hi, i have to copy some several big files (2~18GB) to another location on same disk. what would be the fastest way to do it (terminal-based)? progress indicator (percent) would be appreciated. or is maybe packing it faster than copying?
[08:45] <bilegt> Jatu: maybe the problem is with the extensions I had installed
[08:45] <Guest56788> рш
[08:45] <Jatu> Bilegt : that actually sounds like a possiblity. Always check the extensions that are enabled or not enabled.
[08:45] <Guest56788> hi
[08:45] <vancha> Guest56788: hi :)
[08:45] <Jatu> Bilegt: Make sure only stuff you need is enabled.
[08:46] <dr-willis> Birliban:  why do you need a copy? you could make a link. unless you are editig the file
[08:46] <Jatu> Bilegt : Then check if there is a noteable difference.
[08:46] <bilegt> Jatu: Yeah
[08:47] <Jordan_U> Birliban: For a one time copy "cp" is as fast as anything. For a progress bar "rsync --progress /path/to/source /path/to/destination/". rsync also has other nice features, like makeing incremental copies *much* faster.
[08:48] <Jatu> Bilegt : Yeah what ? Or was it more a "okay I will check that" kinda yeah ?
[08:48] <bilegt> Jatu: I'll check that
[08:48] <Birliban> dr-willis, ok, some more details. the files are a vm-ware machine. i need to transfer to another server. for accessing the files the vm has to be shut down. so i first want to copy them and then send to the other server (slow connection).
[08:49] <Jatu> Bilegt : Kk let me know how it goes. I am going afk for a about 2-5 minutes to do something off the pc real quick.
[08:49] <Birliban> i just want to keep the vm-machine downtime low.
[08:49] <Jatu> bilegt : will notify when I am back
[08:53] <Jatu> Bilegt : I am back any luck ?
[08:55] <bilegt> Jatu: Yeah, it's weird. Now tabs are moving smoothly.
[08:55] <bilegt> Jatu: I've only installed two extensions.
[08:55] <Birliban> Jordan_U, i just need it one time. so maybe i use cp. there is no progress bar, is it?
[08:55] <Jatu> Bilegt : What extensions where those if you don't mind me asking.
[08:56] <bilegt> Jatu: xmarks, gmail and sooner
[08:56] <Jatu> Bilegt : Well  xmarks I never used. What I am thinking is they are trying to fetch extra data while your pages are loading. Possibly taking up extra bandwidth and causing it to slow.
[08:58] <bilegt> Jatu: Now I'll use this method on google chrome again :P
[08:58] <Jatu> Bilegt : Though I don't think it should take up much at all. Could be a more techincal problem. Glad I could be of some help though.
[08:58] <tpl2000> That hit the spot.
[08:59] <Jatu> Bilegt : Also my other suggestion is if you try the xtensions again and it persist posting on the forums and seeing if anyone else had the problem and found a fix.
[08:59] <tpl2000> Does anyone know why both dmidecode and LSHW display my RAM speed as 667mhz when it should be (6.67x240)mhz ?
[09:00] <Jatu> tpl2000 : could just be that they are not being read correctly or are just displayed differently.
[09:00] <tpl2000> That's the issue lol. How do I get them to display properly, then?
[09:00] <Jatu> That I have no clue lol.
[09:01] <Jordan_U> Birliban: Correct, there is no progress bar for cp. There is no resaon not to use "rsync --progress", just thought that you should know for the future that rsync is useful for a lot more than a progress bar :)
[09:01] <bilegt> Jatu: it's such a weird bug. I found it out. It was not about extensions. The problem is with after initial installation of chrome, it asks to setup chrome with google account. It made chrome such a laggy.
[09:02] <Jatu> bilegt : go faster once you set up google account ?
[09:02] <bilegt> Jatu: go faster, when I avoided it and installed extensions manually
[09:02] <zamba> i'd like to get 10 GB worth og /dev/urandom data and write that to file, 'dd' syntax for this?
[09:02] <dr-willis> dd if=path of=path
[09:02] <Jatu> bilegt : atleast you figured it out. Guess problem has been solved none the less lol.
[09:03] <dr-willis> zamba:  why are you doing this
[09:03] <zamba> dr-willis: i'm testing iscsi paths
[09:04] <zamba> dr-willis: you forgot to include the number of bytes i'd like to transfer
[09:05] <dr-willis> zamba:  time to read the dd man pages i think
[09:06] <dr-willis> you want to use the bs= options also if testing
[09:07] <mylisto> hey everyone
[09:07] <Jatu> Hey there
[09:07] <Jordan_U> zamba: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/path/to/file bs=1M count=10K
[09:07] <zamba> Jordan_U: thanks :)
[09:07] <Jordan_U> zamba: You're welcome.
[09:08] <mylisto> for some reason I can't adjust my sound volume...I'm getting "Waiting for sound system to respond" when I try to open the sound applet
[09:09] <tpl2000> How about this: Does anyone know how I can monitor my cpu temps?
[09:10] <Jatu> Do your drivers normally enable monitoring of cpu temp ?
[09:10] <orionsonofneptun> ypu
[09:10] <orionsonofneptun> yup
[09:10] <Jatu> As some don;t
[09:10] <tpl2000> Jatu: I can do it pretty well with speedfan in Windows already.
[09:10] <orionsonofneptun> thier is a code to put in terminal
[09:10] <tpl2000> I'm just looking to get the same functionality out of Ubuntu.
[09:10] <Jatu> Hmm
[09:11] <orionsonofneptun> i cant remember it
[09:11] <dr-willis> !info lmsensors
[09:11] <orionsonofneptun> yes thats it
[09:11] <Jatu> Ohh
[09:11] <dr-willis> may be lm-sensors
[09:11] <tpl2000> Yep
[09:11] <tpl2000> lm-sensors
[09:11] <dr-willis> most apps use lm-sensors to monitor that stuff
[09:11] <orionsonofneptun> lm sensors what is code
[09:11] <orionsonofneptun> i want to do that to
[09:12] <tpl2000> Alright. What apps are there, and which would you recommend?
[09:12] <dr-willis> !info lm-sensors
[09:12] <dr-willis> repo has seveal tools that display that stuff.
[09:12] <sun> sf
[09:12] <sun> hi
[09:12] <tpl2000> !info repo
[09:12] <Jatu> lol
[09:12] <Guest93046> who is alive
[09:12] <makara> hi. how can I enable Chinese input in 11.10? I've already added Chinese as a language
[09:12] <Guest93046> a
[09:13] <Guest93046> please help me with perl regexp
[09:13] <tpl2000> What is repo's actual name?
[09:13] <Guest93046> :)
[09:13] <dr-willis> !repo
[09:13] <Guest93046> who know this?
[09:13] <Jatu> Makara : Check at log in screen should be option to change default language I believe.
[09:13] <dr-willis> the standard repos.
[09:13] <tpl2000> Gotcha, repo=repository
[09:13] <Guest93046> who know perl????
[09:13] <orionsonofneptun> ok what to put in terminal to install lm-sensors on ubuntu 11.10
[09:13] <dr-willis> perl had tons of docs..
[09:13] <dr-willis> has.
[09:13] <tpl2000> Orions: Sudo apt-get install lm-sensors
[09:14] <Jatu> He types faster than me lol
[09:14] <tpl2000> And on a crappy 15 year old dell keyboard ;)
[09:14] <dr-willis> tons of regrexp helper tools out there also.
[09:14] <orionsonofneptun> Sudo apt-get install lm-sensors  did not work
[09:14] <Jatu> Lol I am using a dell d610 tell I sell my game console I no longer use
[09:14] <dr-willis> im typing on my cellphone here. )
[09:14] <Guest93046> how i can write to variable. text like template???
[09:14] <tpl2000> What did it say, Orion?
[09:14] <dr-willis> bbl
[09:14] <Jatu> Try "apt-get lm-sensors"
[09:15] <makara> Jatu: I don't want Chinese interface, just Chinese input. I can change to Hindi / Tibetan, but not Chinese it seems
[09:15] <Guest93046> а русские есть?
[09:15] <orionsonofneptun> sudo: command not found
[09:15] <io> !ru | Guest93046
[09:15] <Jatu> Makara : Ah I see what you mean but unfortunately have not delved that much into it.
[09:15] <tpl2000> Wut
[09:15] <Jatu> Orion try adding sudo infront
[09:15] <Guest93046> plz give me channel where i can get help with perl???
[09:16] <Jatu> !info perl
[09:16] <orionsonofneptun> jatu invaled op lm-sensors
[09:16] <tpl2000> Are you sure you're using the terminal, and not a box of cheerios?
[09:16] <Jatu> No clue then besides searching software center or google lol
[09:16] <Guest93046> info i know but it's more large
[09:17] <Jatu> I was just seeing what info would come
[09:17] <Jatu> Lol
[09:17] <Jatu> I have no clue where to go for perl specific support sorry mate
[09:18] <waheed> hi, I'm using ubuntu 11.10 and the places, system, and applications menus have disappeared without any customization I done..how to display it again??
[09:18] <waheed> help !!
[09:19] <tpl2000> From the top bar, Waheed?
[09:19] <Jatu> Waheed : Give people a second to reply please.
[09:19] <io> Jatu: ##perl
[09:19] <io> !patience | waheed
[09:19] <waheed> tpl2000 yes, the top bar disappeared
[09:19] <reenignEesreveR> so i've got an ethernet cable on which i can assign multiple IPs to a machine. how do make my Ubuntu actually use those ip addresses?
[09:19] <Jatu> Guest93046 : still here ?
[09:19] <tpl2000> The entire top bar disappeared, or just those options @ Waheed
[09:20] <waheed> tpl2000  the bar still there, but those options disappeared
[09:20] <larryone> waheed, Alt+F1 will get you access to the menu
[09:20] <larryone> if you're stuck
[09:20] <hiexpo> waheed, maybe gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel »
[09:21] <tpl2000> Try clicking on the desktop and then clicking on the top bar.
[09:21] <Jatu> Alright everyone I will be back later. Ciao' for now o/
[09:21] <larryone> in the meantime, you can right click on the bar, and therer will be an option to add stuff
[09:21] <VictorCL> hi , how can I make a tar of a folder , but skip a folder inside that folder ?¿
[09:21] <io> waheed: '$ unity --reset'
[09:21] <tpl2000> alt+f1 brings up the unity bar. He's talking about the top bar, apparently.
[09:22] <larryone> aah
[09:22] <io> VictorCL: '$ tar -cf all.tar --exclude test *'
[09:22] <io> VictorCL: '$ man tar' in future for more options
[09:22] <hiexpo> waheed, is it a gnome desktop or unity ?
[09:22] <amxpogorelov> quit
[09:22]  * larryone was assuming gnome
[09:22]  * tpl2000 is assuming Unity.
[09:23] <larryone> right, tpl2000 we gonna fight?
[09:23]  * hiexpo assumeing gnome also 
[09:23] <larryone> bare nuckle?
[09:23] <orionsonofneptun> ok how hot is 50 degrees celcius in ferinheigth
[09:23] <larryone> outnumbered!
[09:23] <tpl2000> Larryone Lawl, sure. Let me get my socks 'n' rocks.
[09:23] <orionsonofneptun> ive installed lm sensors
[09:23] <temper> I'm having a hard time getting volume control back on 10.04
[09:23] <larryone> orionsonofneptun, 50 celcius will have you sweating lakes
[09:23] <waheed> it was gnome, but i run that command now "unity --reset" and it is unity now
[09:24] <waheed> wanna go back to gnome
[09:24] <orionsonofneptun> and aparently only one sensor is in dell insperon
[09:24] <tpl2000> Orionsofneptun Fahrenheit = (9/5)C+32
[09:24] <larryone> 37degreed C is body temperature
[09:24] <hiexpo> temper, what on the bar
[09:24] <llutz> orionsonofneptun: 50 Grad Celsius = 122 Fahrenheit
[09:24] <orionsonofneptun> wow
[09:24] <temper> hiexpo: nothing is on the bar
[09:24] <orionsonofneptun> hot cpu it says i can take twice that heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:24]  * larryone is amazed that some places still use fahrenheit
[09:24] <temper> hiexpo: never mind...I finally found the right directions..thanks anyhow
[09:25] <orionsonofneptun> im only a farenheight guy
[09:25] <Myrtti> !offtopic
[09:25] <tpl2000> orionsofneptun: You can not take 100 degrees celsius. You would die, and your computer would die.
[09:25] <tpl2000> orionsofneptun: 65 degrees celsius is a typical overheating point for a processor.
[09:25] <orionsonofneptun> it says 105 celcius is cpu critical
[09:26] <tpl2000> Are you on a desktop or a laptop?
[09:26] <orionsonofneptun> laptop
[09:26] <larryone> you could make a grand cup of tea with that
[09:26] <orionsonofneptun> dell isperon
[09:26] <hiexpo> orionsonofneptun, yes that is like 205  or something far
[09:26] <orionsonofneptun> old school
[09:26] <tpl2000> Ah, that'd explain it. Laptop CPUs generally have to put up with much higher temperatures.
[09:26] <orionsonofneptun> x86
[09:26]  * larryone dissapears to go fix some caching configs
[09:27] <tpl2000> Regardless, if you put a pot of water on the bottom of your laptop at that temp, the water would boil
[09:27] <tpl2000> 100 degrees celsius = 212 degrees fahrenheit.
[09:27] <kalimojo> anyone heard of artificial telepathy ?
[09:27] <tpl2000> !ot | Kalimojo
[09:27] <orionsonofneptun> definately off topic there
[09:28] <orionsonofneptun> dang almost beat ubottu
[09:28] <tpl2000> XD
[09:28] <tpl2000> brb, rebooting
[09:28] <tpl2000> (Like a boss: Sudo reboot)
[09:28] <vlt> kalimojo: It's called empathy
[09:29] <orionsonofneptun> come on someone give me some good uses for ubuntu 11.10
[09:30] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: use it for what you want
[09:30] <orionsonofneptun> what type of people you think mainly like ubuntu
[09:30] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: that is offtopic here and no relevence
[09:31] <orionsonofneptun> ok then
[09:31] <ikonia> orionsonofneptun: this channel is for ubuntu technical support only
[09:31] <orionsonofneptun> ill hold the phillocify for #ubuntu offtopic
[09:32] <Mongoose_> Downloaded the VirtualBox OSE last night. Don't know much about it but wanted to try Ubuntu the next version after Natty. Is this an easy thing to do or complicated?
[09:32] <ikonia> !vbox | Mongoose_
[09:33] <Mongoose_> thanks
[09:34] <waheed> tpl2000  still here?\
[09:34] <sjihs> Hi, I have a machine with 8GB of RAM. I have installed 32-bit version of ubuntu 11.04 on it. The 'free -m' command reports a total RAM of 4GB even though /proc/cpuinfo indicated PAE is enabled.
[09:36] <dr-willis> if the cpu can do 64bit you are better off using the 64bit ubuntu
[09:36] <dr-willis> check what kernel you are runing also
[09:36] <dr-willis> uname -a      to see. (i think)
[09:37] <dr-willis> cpuinfo may be telling you the cpu supports pae....
[09:38] <richo> Hey
[09:38] <richo> So I want to install ubuntu.. with no X server, no desktop environment
[09:38] <richo> basically just a kernel, coreutils and a fairly minimal userland
[09:38] <richo> is there even a way to do that?
[09:39] <sjihs> dr-willis: The laptop is given by the company where i work. Hence i cannot re-install another version of ubuntu
[09:39] <OerHeks> richo, use the server iso
[09:39] <richo> OerHeks: there's nothing else that differs from the desktop install? Just the default suite of installed pacakges?
[09:40] <sjihs> dr-willis: Just curious, How does 'uname -a' help in determining kernel support for PAE?
[09:41] <dr-willis> look at kernel used
[09:41] <dr-willis> may have pae in the name
[09:41] <OerHeks> richo i am not sure what you want with a minimal install without a desktop environment, but server iso or the alternate iso can do that
[09:41] <ActionParsnip> richo: there is the minimal ISO
[09:42] <richo_> Thanks!
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> richo: you can install minimal then install openbox and you will have one of the slimmest OSes around, comes in at around 1.2Gb
[09:43] <richo_> ActionParsnip: that's more or less the plan. I run a fork of openbox + urxvt and a few other bits and pieces. I'll install a lot of software but I prefer to start clean slate
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> richo: you can install slim or some other login manager if you want a GUI login :)
[09:43] <richo_> I'm good with a tty :)
[09:44] <richo_> and 10.10 was an LTS I believe?
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> richo_: np :), you can always use: su -c  to run startx from /etc/rc.local to get straight to the desktop :)
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> richo_: no, maverick is EOL next month too
[09:44] <ActionParsnip> richo_: 10.04 and 12.04 are LTS
[09:45] <richo_> Perfect, thanks.
[09:45] <richo_> work mandates full disk encryption so going straight to the desktop is a bit moot.
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> richo_: indeed
[09:47] <ActionParsnip> richo_: its one way to do it though. Negates the need for a login manager (saves space)
[09:48] <richo_> true. I just login on a TTY and then call xinit
[09:48] <richo_> I set some expensive values in my environment anyway so I do a bunch of init only when SHLVL = 1 which saves me a lot of time too
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> richo_: nice
[09:51] <makara> how can I enable Chinese input in 11.10? I've already added Chinese as a language
[09:54] <psycho_oreos> afaik you need something like scim for instance. Chinese language only gives you Chinese dialogues, menus, etc but not Chinese input iinm
[09:55] <OerHeks> makara, maybe answer #1 is any help >> http://askubuntu.com/questions/59356/how-do-i-get-chinese-input-to-work
[09:56] <waheed> my file system partition is running out of free space, I wanna increase its size by adding "merging" another partition I have to it, without affecting my system, is that possible?
[09:56] <dljh> How do I go about learning how to create themes for ubuntu 11.10 (unity) ?
[09:57] <asc__> hi
[09:57] <asc__> i have two commands i want to combine so they display combined output
[09:58] <dljh> asc__, &&
[09:58] <theTroy> Trying to do some bash scripting, could someone tell me what is wrong with this if statement please?
[09:58] <theTroy> do if [  ! -e  /home/troy/Photos/1920/1920_$i  -a   [ "$i" == *.JPG* ]  ];
[09:58] <asc__> does not work
[09:58] <Lantizia> Hey if I wanted to install an ISO of vyatta that includes bug #7771 fixed - how would I go about it?  (maybe download the latest stable and patch it myself?)
[09:58] <becom33> Im having this error on boot and my ubunut doest load , it says "error : hd0 read error"
[09:58] <asc__> dljh, does not combine the output
[09:58] <dljh> asc__, sudo gedit && sudo lspci | grep VGA
[09:58] <Lantizia> damn wrong channel - and thus wrong bug lol
[09:59] <asc__> for example "ls -Shs && file *
[09:59] <anonymous> hello
[09:59] <asc__> just executes the commands but does not combine the output
[09:59] <becom33> anyone for me ?
[09:59] <OerHeks> waheed, yes you can, use the gparted live cd to increase/merge a partition, your partition needs to be unmounted to do so.
[09:59] <dljh> Oh, I see what you're saying. I have no idea, sorry.
[09:59] <Guest55690> fuck you loading hack :)
[10:00] <becom33> anyone for my question ?
[10:00] <ahhughez> wow, Im spoilt for choice.... I just bought a new laptop and I want to run ubuntu and windows. Dual boot or VM?
[10:00] <taglass> comman1 && command2 executes command2 if and only if command1 was successful.
[10:00] <ikonia> becom33: please stop saying "anyone" - if someone can help and wants to, they will
[10:01] <asc__> taglass, i need to learn a little bash programming
[10:01] <becom33> should I repeat my question ? ikonia . otherwise it might get stand behind :/
[10:01] <ikonia> becom33: if you've left it 10 - 15 minutes since you last asked it, sure
[10:01] <ahhughez> history tells me that a nix intsall will out live a windows.... so I was thinking ubuntu with win7 vm... anyone care to compare this with the reverse or with dual boot?
[10:01] <hoshi411> is it just me or is the omgubuntu site down?
[10:01] <taglass> yeah I'm trying to understand exactly it is you want.  "combine output" is pretty vague
[10:02] <hoshi411> i haven't been able to connect for the past two days
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> ahhughez: depends what the Windows OS is for...
[10:02] <laurent_> hello
[10:02] <makara> becom33: something wrong with your disk
[10:03] <ahhughez> ActionParsnip, just using apps that I need occasionally. Plus dev testing
[10:03] <becom33> makara, is there anyway I can ensure whats wrong ?
[10:03] <asc__> taglass, for example: ls -Shs prints the filesize and the file name and file * prints the type of the file (files in the dir have no extensions)
[10:03] <csis> asc__,  just flush everything after each command to /dev/stdout, I think that's what you're looking for
[10:03] <cowslammer> how do I get sun java?
[10:03] <asc__> taglass, the thing i want is output is combined like this: filename, filesize, filetype
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> ahhughez: windows in VM will be ok then imho
[10:04] <hoshi411> i believe that the site is located at http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[10:04] <hoshi411> but that page will not load
[10:04] <asc__> csis, I know not what are you speaking of :D
[10:04] <hoshi411> i used to go there all the  time to get info about ubuntu
[10:05] <cowslammer> how do I get sun java?
[10:05] <orionsonofneptun> ok i installed eggdrop irc robot and i cant see where it went in ubuntu 11.10 so how can i find it
[10:05] <waheed> OerHeks : liveCD ?? I have gparted installed..can I use it directly?
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> hoshi411: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk
[10:05] <asc__> orionsonofneptun, type: which eggdrop
[10:06] <OerHeks> waheed, no, because your partition is in use ( mounted ) when you try gparted
[10:06] <richo_> orionsonofneptun: dpkg -L eggdrop
[10:06] <dljh> orionsonofneptun: edit it's .conf file and make sure you have the server and channel settings correct, then restart it.
[10:06] <dljh> How do I go about learning how to create themes for ubuntu 11.10 (unity) ?
[10:07] <waheed> OerHeks : but I don't know what is gpated live cd ?!
[10:07] <hoshi411> ActionParsnip:  but the thing is , i see action on their site from google only 17 hours ago, which means ... they are off and on and off and on?
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> hoshi411: contact them via facebook or similar
[10:08] <cowslammer> how do I get sun java?
[10:08] <ahhughez> cowslammer, I would say its no longer.... sun was aquired by oracle... look for the openjdk
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: sun don't own java anymore
[10:08] <waheed> OerHeks : can I do it using herins boot?
[10:08] <OerHeks> waheed, it is small, 125 mb >>> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gparted/files/gparted-live-stable/0.12.0-5/
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: if you can give the output of:  uname -m   I can advise
[10:09] <OerHeks> waheed i am not sure, hirens could do that too with ext3/ext4
[10:09] <cowslammer> ok, how do i get oracle java?
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: read above
[10:09] <hashinclude> I have installed the ATI proprietrary drivers and they are working however there are some glitches like docky leaves some kind of glitch while unhiding and the window movement is laggy...
[10:09] <ahhughez> If I want to run ubuntu with win7 and poosibly xp VM's what filesystem should I be using?
[10:10] <waheed> OerHeks : ok, but what about my system and stuff, I don't care about the other artition, I care about the one where ubuntu is installed which I want to enlarge
[10:10] <ikonia> !virtualisation | ahhughez
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> ahhughez: Win7 as a VM, or a dual boot?
[10:10] <richo_> Why no mention of Xen ?
[10:10] <OerHeks> waheed, general: allways make a backup of important stuff.
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: if you can give the output of: uname -m   I can advise
[10:11] <waheed> OerHeks : not about stuff, it is about the installed system, would I lost it?
[10:12] <cowslammer> ActionParsnip, the output of uname -m is i686 and i'm using 10.4 ubuntu
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: ok, gimme a sec
[10:12] <OerHeks> waheed, it should be safe to increase.
[10:12] <ahhughez> ikonia, ActionParsnip - thanks, I intend to try VirtualBox, but I want to make sure I pick the correct filesystem.
[10:13] <larryone> i dont like when the update manager gets resource hungry - I've got loads of processing power on my machine, but only 1GB RAM =0(
[10:14] <larryone> updating makes slow happen
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: cd; wget
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: cd; wget http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8850924/install32bitJava; chmod +x ./install32bitjava; sudo ./install32bitjava
[10:17] <A_J> started my ubuntu pc after a while and it just after the BIOS screen does  " - " in the upper left corner. what should I do ?
[10:17] <gr33n7007h> A_J, Nothing
[10:17] <Nucleus> Hello, i have a problem, i have a partition with windows 7 installed in a Raid disk, i want to install ubuntu so i have created a partition ext4 primary with the boot point ( / ) and a swap logical. As i have always did when i wanted to install ubuntu. At this time since its a raid disk i received this error message when i was about to install it: " Failed to create a file system " : The ext4 file system creation in partition #2 of se
[10:17] <orionsonofneptun> how long did you wait a_j
[10:17] <Nucleus> Dont know what to do.
[10:18] <A_J> orionsonofneptun well it's yet happening
[10:18] <A_J> for about 3 mins
[10:18] <taglass> asc__, for f in *; do ls -Shs "$f" >> results1 && file "$f" >> results2; done; sed -i 's/://' results2; join -1 2 -2 1 results1 results2 >> results3 should get you started in the right direction I think
[10:18] <asc__> taglass, thank you, was just trying to do  similar thing :)
[10:18] <orionsonofneptun> ive seen it go before for like 10 minutes then work ok but thats not normal
[10:19] <A_J> okie i'll wait
[10:19] <taglass> asc__, The only hangup I can see is if your filename contains a ":"
[10:19] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: it assumes you use chromium browser, so link the file to whatever browser you use if you don't use chromium
[10:21] <dljh> hashashin: Yes, I had the same issue. If you don't plan on gaming or don't depend on 3d acceleration, just use the open source driver it comes with. That's what I use and everything works excellent.
[10:21] <A_J> ActionParsnip o/
[10:21] <ActionParsnip> A_J: howdy
[10:24] <cowslammer> ActionParsnip, i use firefox.  what gets linked to what?
[10:25] <ActionParsnip> cowslammer: you can link it in ~/.mozilla/plugs   I don't know where the universal folder is as I haven't used firefox is ages
[10:26] <ActionParsnip> sorry ~/.mozilla/plugins
[10:26] <mydogsnameisrudy> wonders what ActionParsnip is using then?
[10:28] <A_J> ActionParsnip : started my ubuntu pc after a while and it just after the BIOS screen does  " - " in the upper left corner. what should I do ? | been 10 mins.
[10:28] <ActionParsnip> A_J: what GPU do you use?
[10:28] <A_J> none ActionParsnip. an intel atom board here
[10:29] <makara> becom33: plug into another computer and check if its working
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> A_J: well there is, or the system wouldn't POST
[10:30] <dljh> ActionParsnip: unplug all of your plugnplays and restart and see if that works (i.e. printers/mouse etc)
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> A_J: try the boot option:  nomodeset
[10:30] <ActionParsnip> dljh: i don't have a sing ubuntu issue..
[10:30] <A_J> ActionParsnip umm where do i eneter that. via live cd ?
[10:31] <dljh> A_J:  unplug all of your plug and play stuff, like your printer etc and reboot.
[10:31] <dljh> ActionParsnip: sorry :P
[10:32] <A_J> dljh i booted  up after like 1 week. i did that
[10:32] <A_J> yet a flashing -
[10:32] <dljh> A_J: Great. Unplug everything and reboot.
[10:33] <ActionParsnip> A_J: hold shift and you can press E to edit the boot, you can add the boot option there
[10:33]  * A_J tries it now
[10:33] <rwp__engineer> hello room
[10:33] <Nucleus> Hello, i have a problem, i have a partition with windows 7 installed in a Raid disk, i want to install ubuntu so i have created a partition ext4 primary with the boot point ( / ) and a swap logical.
[10:33] <rwp__engineer> Please Help automate ||LibreOffice Calc || Insert > Sheet from File ||
[10:34] <Nucleus> As i have always did when i wanted to install ubuntu. At this time since its a raid disk i received this error message when i was about to install it: " Failed to create a file system " : The ext4 file system creation in partition #2 of serial ATA RAID JMICRON_JRaid ( mirror ) failed.
[10:34] <rwp__engineer> Please Help automate ||LibreOffice Calc || Insert > Sheet from File || in ubuntu
[10:34] <Nucleus> Can anyone give me support please.
[10:34] <rwp__engineer> hi nucleus
[10:34] <rwp__engineer> wats the issue
[10:35] <A_J> ActionParsnip OKIE. i did shift E, quite a lot of stuff comes where do i put nomodeset
[10:35] <rwp__engineer> hey Nucleus have u tried using ext3 or ext 2 for ur / partition?
[10:35] <A_J> says ctrl +c for CLI
[10:35] <rwp__engineer> try this article
[10:35] <rwp__engineer> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/ubuntu-63/failed-to-create-a-file-system-795245/
[10:36] <rwp__engineer> Please Help automate ||LibreOffice Calc || Insert > Sheet from File || in ubuntu ??
[10:37] <Nucleus> I will read it rwp just one question before, whats the difference between ext2 ext3 or ext4 ?
[10:37] <tintoy> hi hello, anyone can help me, how to setup openvpn with windows client, pls help
[10:37] <ActionParsnip> rwp__engineer: is there no shortcut key mentioned in the menu to use?
[10:37] <rileyp> one is the difference :D
[10:37] <gr33n7007h> A_J, on the kernel line
[10:38] <gr33n7007h> goodbye!!
[10:38] <A_J> okie
[10:38] <rwp__engineer> hi ActionParsnip : no shortcut key mentioned | also i want to automate it in some script or macro
[10:38] <A_J> ActionParsnip i do ctlr + c and type this in ?
[10:38] <ActionParsnip> A_J: type it, grub has no clipboard
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> A_J: if you delete: quiet splash      you can type it there
[10:39]  * A_J is confused
[10:39] <A_J> wait a sec ActionParsnip
[10:39] <DarkStar1> I just setup my new machine with 11.10. I installed the nVidia driver, restarted the machine and since only one screen can be used at anyone time. How can I revert back to the default that came with the 11.10 installation
[10:39] <DarkStar1> ?
[10:39] <ActionParsnip> DarkStar1: dual you use dual screens?
[10:40] <DarkStar1> ActionParsnip: Yeah
[10:40] <rwp__engineer> Nucleus http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/05/ext2-ext3-ext4/
[10:40] <ActionParsnip> DarkStar1: if you run:  nvidia-settings    then hit the detect display button, do both come to life?
[10:40] <rwp__engineer> Please Help automate ||LibreOffice Calc || Insert > Sheet from File || in ubuntu|| I want to automate it in command
[10:40] <rwp__engineer> Please Help automate ||LibreOffice Calc || Insert > Sheet from File || in ubuntu|| I want to automate it in command  or macro
[10:41] <DarkStar1> ActionParsnip: I removed the nVidia drivers to see if things will return to default but no joy
[10:41] <ActionParsnip> rwp__engineer: if you upgrade to Precise, you can use HUD which will make that easier
[10:42] <Nucleus> [rwp__engineer]: Thank you
[10:42] <A_J|> http://i.imgur.com/ma1hJ.jpg
[10:42] <A_J> ActionParsnip ^^
[10:43] <A_J> what do i do next
[10:43] <DarkStar1> ActionParsnip: Thanks. I re-enabled and it fixed it
[10:44] <ActionParsnip> A_J: as I said. dete the: quiet splash   and add the boot option..
[10:44] <rwp__engineer> thanks ActionParsnip i am checking Precise
[10:45] <A_J> okie ActionParsnip. which would be nomodeset
[10:45] <A_J> i'll take a pic to confirm ActionParsnip standby
[10:45] <ActionParsnip> rwp__engineer: its prerelease but when it comes out, HUD will be default and you can hit left ALT and type what you need, the menu items are read and makes things a bit easier
[10:47] <dljh> ActionParsnip: you using Precise?
[10:47] <ActionParsnip> dljh: indeed
[10:48] <dljh> ActionParsnip:  how's it running?
[10:48] <A_J|> http://i.imgur.com/gtYyx.jpg
[10:48] <A_J> ActionParsnip
[10:48] <ActionParsnip> dljh: fine for me, but  my hardware is super linux friendly, my needs are basic and I use Unity 2D :)
[10:49] <konza> Hi all, I have a 25 gb file it has only two columns. I want to apply 2 level of sorting. When i do it using command line it takes 5 hours to complete. I have 16 processors. Now the process is using only 1 cpu. How can i force linux to allot multiple cpu to a single process
[10:49] <ActionParsnip> A_J: yes, thats what I said to do. Now continue the boot.
[10:50] <dljh> ActionParsnip: I see.
[10:50] <dljh> ActionParsnip:  dual head?
[10:50] <ActionParsnip> dljh: no, I hae 1 screen for 4 PCs
[10:51] <A_J_> ActionParsnip : http://i.imgur.com/gtYyx.jpg
[10:51] <dljh> ActionParsnip o_O
[10:51] <A_J_> sorry dced :(
[10:51] <rwp__engineer> ActionParsnip I have libreoffice 3.5.0 what is HUD and precise and how can i install it?
[10:51] <ActionParsnip> rwp__engineer: the internet will tell you more about hud than I can. Precise is the next release of Ubuntu and is LTS
[10:51] <dljh> ActionParsnip : you're almost completely vice versa of me, heh.
[10:52] <fAz4> is it possible to choose the repo while installing by apt ?
[10:52] <ActionParsnip> fAz4: not during, no
[10:52] <fAz4>  ActionParsnip: so i should delete the ppa !? for installing the main version ?!
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> dljh: one is my media pc, one is a fileserver, torrent server, one is my backup server and one is my GFs lappy :)
[10:53] <ActionParsnip> fAz4: which PPA? you haven't given any context
[10:54] <fAz4>  ActionParsnip: i've added nightly build firefox, and i want to install the stable firefox now
[10:54] <A_J> ActionParsnip it;s okie ? http://i.imgur.com/gtYyx.jpg
[10:54] <fAz4>  ActionParsnip:  so i must delete the nightly ppa
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> fAz4: then use ppa-purge and it should roll back the pp too. If not just uninstall it then reinstall it and the stable will be used
[10:55] <konza> Hi all, I have a 25 gb file it has only two columns. I want to apply 2 level of sorting. When i do it using command line it takes 5 hours to complete. I have 16 processors. Now the process is using only 1 cpu. How can i force linux to allot multiple cpu to a single process
[10:55] <rwp__engineer> ActionParsnip oh i dont want to upgrade to unstable version , HUD is just HEAD;s UP Disply an addition to unity but i am lookinNg for AUTOMATING libreoffice simple taks like insert a sheet
[10:55] <rileyp> fAz4: open sysnaptic and remove the repo
[10:55] <fAz4> rileyp: that's what i dont wanna do, i dont want to delete ppa !
[10:55] <ayaka> i install ubuntu in vbox, it once can see the eth0, but now can't lspci show it, but I can't use ifconfig to up it, what is up?
[10:55] <ActionParsnip> A_J: yes its fine, as its what I described for you to do
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> A_J: even if its wrong, its just for that boot so doesn't hurt anything
[10:56] <dljh> ActionParsnip Why do they all have one monitor though?
[10:56] <rileyp> faz then just disable it
[10:56] <rileyp> manually edit with a #
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> dljh: the others are headless and managed via web ui or ssh
[10:56] <rileyp> or untick in sysnaptic
[10:56] <ActionParsnip> dljh: why would they need monitors?
[10:57] <ActionParsnip> dljh: i said I have 1 monitor for 4 systems...
[10:58] <soulnafein> This morning in ubuntu 11.10 my gnome shell started crashing when search applications. This is the error I see in syslog: http://pastie.org/3607318
[10:58] <dljh> ActionParsnip ehh, I guess they wouldn't. I however can't stand not having at least 2 heads (have 3) but I do web development/web design/graphic design.
[10:58] <soulnafein> I've been using the nvidia driver from the ppa/
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> rwp__engineer: I'd post on the openoffice forum too. May help
[10:58] <dljh> ActionParsnip and where'd you find a headless laptop? :)
[10:58] <rwp__engineer> oh ok let me also try that
[10:58] <ActionParsnip> dljh: the lappy is my ladies, I don't use it. Its all hers
[10:59] <rwp__engineer> ActionParsnip thaks i will post there too
[10:59] <ActionParsnip> soulnafein: I'd contact the PPA maintainers
[10:59] <A_J__> ActionParsnip some text is scrolling on screen, how long would it take to finish
[10:59] <soulnafein> ActionParsnip, the libnvidia maintainers?
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> soulnafein: whoever manages the PPA you used
[11:01] <dljh> ActionParsnip: maybe you can help me... do you know of any good tuts for creating a unity theme? I don't have a problem taking an existing one, editing the xml file and changing the .pngs, but I'd like to have it explained.
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> A_J__: as long as a normal boot
[11:01] <ActionParsnip> dljh: no idea dude, I don't theme much at all
[11:02] <dljh> Alrighty
[11:03] <A_J|> Actionparsnip its going on for quite a while now like 10mins
[11:04] <A_J|> Hmm
[11:04] <ActionParsnip> A_J|: if its an intel gpu then nomodeset can help. If it's nvidia then try:  nouveau.blacklist=1   I'd check your system spec
[11:04] <konza> Hi all, Can a single process be split into multiple processors?
[11:05] <jc2000> hello I need help with a printer
[11:05] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: what make and model printer? What is the issue?
[11:06] <A_J|> Actionparsnip base end intel atom so its intel gpu. Its yet running so i guess i let it run ?
[11:06] <jc2000> Brother MFC-J220 its not in the add printer list
[11:07] <jc2000> ActionParsnip: Brother MFC-J220 its not in the add printer list
[11:07] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: did you check the brother site, they DO make brother drivers
[11:07] <jc2000> yes And I did install their driver but nothing had add to the list
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: did you install both parts of the driver?
[11:08] <jc2000> It only gave me one file
[11:08] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: no, there are 2 deb files
[11:09] <jc2000> where? I only found one
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: you need to install http://www.brother.com/pub/bsc/linux/dlf/mfcj220lpr-1.1.3-1.i386.deb
[11:09] <jc2000> what Is their titles?
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> then install http://www.brother.com/pub/bsc/linux/dlf/mfcj220cupswrapper-1.1.3-1.i386.deb
[11:09] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: those are the links to the files you need, and in order
[11:09] <jc2000> Ok
[11:09] <jc2000> I will report you
[11:09] <A_J|> Actionparsnip http://i.imgur.com/uiEKC.jpg
[11:10] <A_J|> Looks like its looping
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> A_J|: the IO error doesn't sound good
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> A_J|: test the ram using memtest
[11:11] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: like I said, there are 2 files...
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: source: http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#DCP-145C
[11:12] <A_J|> Can it be a hdd issue ActionParsnip, cause hdd sentinal sait had low health
[11:12] <A_J|> Said*
[11:12] <ActionParsnip> A_J|: sounds likely
[11:12] <rileyp> A_J i had a simular fault and it was the molex connecing power to the sata power cable was faulty
[11:13] <rileyp> Pushed it in a a small tool problem solved
[11:13] <A_J|> Okie rileyp ill check
[11:14] <A_J|> Ty ActionParsnip for your help mate
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> np
[11:14] <rileyp>  A_J|: you may notice hdd makes no noise as well! screwdriver stethoscope!
[11:14] <jc2000> ActionParsnip: look like its working. thank you very much
[11:14] <ActionParsnip> jc2000: good when you install stuff right eh ;)
[11:16] <ofaurax_boulot> hello!
[11:16] <ofaurax_boulot> by default, xterm and the gnome terminal supportes colors (at least 16)
[11:17] <ofaurax_boulot> if I do "echo $TERM", I get "xterm" for both
[11:17] <ofaurax_boulot> shouldn't it be "xterm-color" ?
[11:18] <ActionParsnip> ofaurax_boulot: same here in Precise, you can change it if you like ni ~/.bashrc
[11:20] <ayaka> thank you
[11:21] <Error4o4> how can I update the ATI catalyst driver. can I just download the latest one and install it? any idea  http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
[11:24] <rileyp>  Error4o4 google for a guide installing ati drivers is trick trick trick
[11:25] <Error4o4> rileyp: i installed it, but wondering if i need to uninstall the old before installing the new.. cant fint that info
[11:26] <ofaurax_boulot> ActionParsnip: wouldn't be an idea to set it by default to xterm-color ?
[11:26] <ikonia> Error4o4: II would advice advise against using external sites, such as ati.com
[11:27] <ActionParsnip> ofaurax_boulot: i'd try it in ~/.bashrc first, then apply it systemwide once you know its ok
[11:27] <Nucleus> rwp__engineer i believe i need this driver jmicron jmb36x for ubuntu but i cant find any, im saying this because i needed it for installing windows, but for windows was easy to find. im 95% sure that its problem of the driver.
[11:27] <rileyp> Error4o4:  Im with ikonia find a guide
[11:27] <Nucleus> Could you help me finding this driver ?
[11:28] <techquila> anyone else using studio, having issues opening youtube... thought it was an isolated problem on one machine.. same thing happening on another machine in same network now
[11:28] <theishi> not too sure what I did wrong, but my screen looks bad. It looks like the display drivers are wrong or something. Everything looked great until I rebooted. In the control panel, under color, it says 'no devices supporting color detected' not sure if it said that before though.... I am not sure where to start
[11:28] <rileyp> Error4o4 and not the ati.com one
[11:28] <theishi> it seems like the resolution is off
[11:29] <dr3mro> hello
[11:30] <Error4o4> rileyp: not sure I understand.. I shouldn't follow ATI instructions or ?
[11:31] <dr3mro> hello how to disable usb modem cd rom from auto mount ??
[11:31] <rileyp> Error404 http://mygeekopinions.blogspot.com.au/2011/06/how-to-install-atiamd-catalyst-linux.html
[11:32] <nicofs> I just installed Lubuntu on a system running Xubuntu - after purging Xubuntu at startup I get "xsession: could not start xfce-session. loading default" (or similar) - so apparently LXDE is the default already. how do i configure my system to use the default by default?
[11:32] <marcin28> Hello what is name of package that say in console "The program ... is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:"
[11:32] <Error4o4> rileyp: thx
[11:33] <rileyp> Error4o4 Nvidia is the only way for  hd video in linux
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: log off, then log in to the LXDE session and it will be remembered
[11:33] <ActionParsnip> marcin28: command-not-found afaik
[11:34] <Error4o4> rileyp: thx, ATI is what I got at work
[11:34] <ActionParsnip> !info command-not-found
[11:34] <dr3mro> hello how to disable usb modem cd rom from auto mount ??
[11:35] <rileyp> Error4o4 all good sometimes we have to make the most of what we have
[11:35] <marcin28> ActionParsnip, Thank you :)
[11:36] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, sadly, it won't...
[11:36] <Islam> how to completely remove wine ? its not working properly and I need to reinstall it ?
[11:36] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: the last session should be remembered for the user
[11:37] <soreau> Islam: try apt-get remove --purge <pkg>
[11:37] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, tried that... I always get back to the error above...
[11:37] <ActionParsnip> Islam: delete ~/.wine and there is a folder in ~/.config/menus/integratedmenus or somesuch, which need deleting too
[11:37] <DarkApex> islam: type "sudo apt-get purge <package>"
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> nicofs: you could symlink the xfce-session to the lxde-session (bit of a hack but should work)
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> Islam: the~/.wine  folder holds all configs and apps you install via wine
[11:38] <ldroege> poü
[11:39] <sara2010> hi
[11:39] <nicofs> ActionParsnip, that could work... but I'd rather know why there are still remnants of xfce-session when it is completely purged...
[11:39] <ldroege> b
[11:39] <ldroege> b
[11:39] <sara2010> any one alive
[11:39] <ldroege> b
[11:39] <FloodBot1> ldroege: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:39] <sara2010> i have install 10.10 in my pc
[11:39] <sara2010> but mouse is not working
[11:39] <Islam> ActionParsnip: where can I find the wine folder ?
[11:40] <sara2010> Islam .. locate wine
[11:40] <DarkApex> Islam: in your home directory
[11:40] <sara2010> Islam .. or  whereis wine
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Islam: where I said. It is ~/.wine or /home/$USER/.wine or $HOME/.wine
[11:40] <DarkApex> press ctrl+H
[11:40] <cheese4stake> i have old pc,want 2 upgrade to dual core.....which cpu would u suggest intel or amd 4 budget pc to run kde smoothly
[11:40] <ActionParsnip> Islam: same difference
[11:40] <sara2010> ActionParsnip .. help me
[11:40] <ikonia> cheese4stake: no difference
[11:41] <Islam> DarkApex : I aready removed it with apt-get remove, what should I do now to completely remove it
[11:41] <sara2010> ActionParsnip .. i have install ubuntu 10.10 in my pc but mouse is not working !
[11:41] <rull> libertyprime: qq
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> cheese4stake: what is the system to be used for?
[11:41] <DarkApex> Islam: try doing sudo apt-get purge again
[11:41] <DarkApex> not remove purge
[11:41] <cheese4stake> do i need a graphics card ? also i would be playing some games and liesure work on excel
[11:41] <ActionParsnip> sara2010: Maverick is EOL next month. I'd install a newer release
[11:42] <Krissed> Isnt maverick LTS ?
[11:42] <ikonia> no
[11:42] <Islam> DarkApex : whats the full text I should type for the purge ?
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> Krissed: no, 10.04 (lucid) is LTS and 12.04 (Precise) is LTS
[11:42] <sara2010> ActionParsnip .. old one will not work ?
[11:42] <Nucleus> jmicron jmb36x does anyone knows where can i get this driver for ubuntu ? I cant find it anywhere.
[11:42] <DarkApex> Islam: "sudo apt-get purge <package>"
[11:42] <ActionParsnip> sara2010: it will, but when it dies next month you will get no support here and no more updates
[11:42] <Krissed> Im just waiting for 12.04 in 46 days..I hope they will ditch unity though.
[11:42] <braiam> Islam, sudo apt-get purge list-of-packages
[11:43] <Krissed> ActionParsnip isnt 11.04 LTS as well ?
[11:43] <techquila> it seems i have a locally isolated issue  thats driving me nuts as i administer this network and haven't blocked youtube but cant access it on any browser... any thoughts or am i simply in the wrong channel for this sort of issue?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> Krissed: you can install Xubuntu 12.04 and not get Unity...
[11:43] <sara2010> ActionParsnip ..  okay now what i do ? how mouse will work ?
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> Krissed: no, only the 2 I mentioned are LTS, as is Hardy (on server only)
[11:43] <Krissed> never tried xubuntu. im only used to gnome. .arere there any other cool x out ? (not counting KDE)
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> sara2010: I'd reinstall with Oneiric
[11:44] <tiox> [Priority: low] I want to add a command at shutdown that runs update-grub because I am tired of manually updating grub and this would relieve some issues with using systems on USB drives. On occasion when the rive is removed it's still seen in grub, and having grub regenerate grub.cfg every time resolves this issue so I was thinking having it run as a shutdown script would just be easier.
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Krissed: Lubuntu is fully supported here too
[11:44] <Krissed> ah ok. I just finished redoing 11.10 to look like real gnome
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> Krissed: only one of the 4 official releases use Unity
[11:44] <tiox> drive*
[11:44] <Krissed> ActionParsnip oh ok.
[11:45] <ikonia> tiox: you don't need to update grub manually
[11:45] <Rotham> (Ubuntu 11.10) hey... when I try 'apt-get install curl' im getting a message about curl not being available but its referred to by other programs, and that it has no install candidate .. how can I fix this?
[11:45] <wodim> Rotham das un asko atroz, eres amorfo y hueles mal, tirate por la ventana
[11:45] <ikonia> tiox: when you update the kernel it runs it for you
[11:45] <wodim> ikonia eres el mas apaleado de la tierra
[11:47] <xiewanchen> why can not restart my networking ?
[11:48] <xiewanchen> when I input this command "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:49] <tiox> ikonia: Well and fine, just sometimes I use drives with my USB drive and sometimes when I handle kernel stuff in there it for some odd reason resides in the primary grub.cfg.
[11:49] <tiox> Odd stuff, but it happens and having it run automatically would resolve this issue so I am not going "WTF? That drive isn't plugged in..." ever again.
[11:49] <ikonia> tiox: primary grub.cfg ? there is only 1
[11:49] <tiox> Oh...
[11:49] <tiox> Right!
[11:50] <tiox> Of course, but I sometimes run different systems on here to play around with.
[11:50] <Islam> what is the best software to use to install paltalk.exe on ubuntu 11.10 ?
[11:50] <ikonia> tiox: sorry, what you are saying makes no sense
[11:50] <tiox> They each have their own grub.cfg but somehow the one on hard disk gets affected when I say, upgrade a kernel on a system I am playing with. Don't know why.
[11:50] <DarkApex>  /quit
[11:50] <tiox> I came in here before asking about it until someone told me about using the grub update command to resolve this issue manually.
[11:51] <ikonia> tiox: becuse grub2 is not usable properly as a dual linux booter
[11:51] <tiox> Ahhh.
[11:51] <ikonia> tiox: the files it needs are on /etc on the localfile system, which makes it impossible for grub to manage multiple distros
[11:51] <Islam> what is the best software to use to install paltalk.exe on ubuntu 11.10 ?
[11:51] <ikonia> tiox: eg: if you have ubuntu installed and fedora, you update the fedora config, how can it update files on /etc/grub on the ubuntu partition, it can't
[11:51] <tiox> So... I see.
[11:52] <gry> 'grub2 is not usable properly as a dual linux booter' is there a good doc on that (apart from what I can find randomly myself)?
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> Islam: what does it do?
[11:52] <ActionParsnip> Islam: did you check the wine appdb?
[11:52] <tiox> It's pretty odd stuff; I limit myself to Ubuntu/Debian systems for that reason alone.
[11:52] <ikonia> tiox: the old grub1 setup if you used a shared /boot partition both distros could manpipulate menu.lst on the shared /boot, now because it's in /etc/ on the controlling distro, you can't
[11:52] <tiox> But even still oddities with Grub2 happens.
[11:53] <ikonia> gry: there is no doc, it's my personal opinion
[11:53] <gry> ok
[11:54] <ikonia> gry: but you can see the reasoning from my example
[11:54] <tiox> TTYLGTG
[11:54] <xiewanchen> who can help me ?
[11:54] <Islam> ActionParsnip : its a chat program like yahoo, and some friends uses it on wine, but wine isnt working with me
[11:54] <xiewanchen> who can help me ?
[11:55] <Islam> ActionParsnip : paltalk.exe is a chat program like yahoo, and some friends uses it on wine, but wine isnt working with me
[11:55] <ActionParsnip> Islam: check the appdb dude
[11:56] <xiewanchen> When I enter the command "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:56] <xiewanchen> It failed to start
[11:56] <xiewanchen> why ?
[11:56] <Islam> ActionParsnip : where can I find it mate ?
[11:57] <Guest12041> xiewanchen : chek /etc/network/interfaces
[11:57] <LjL> Islam: http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3824
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> Islam: seek and ye shall find
[11:59] <xiewanchen> Guest12841:sorry, This command is not found
[11:59] <zykes-> anyone here wise on why http://pastebin.com/QZ8uYVxP is not working ?
[11:59] <Guest12041> xiewanchen :  gedit /etc/network/interfaces
[12:01] <mcb_1> xiewanchen: What guest12041 is saying is that you have a problem with your network interfaces. Check those configurations. Also, what is erro mesage that /etc/init.d/networking is giving you?
[12:01] <xiewanchen> Guest12841:   I uses this command "vi /etc/network/interfaces
[12:01] <MrKeuner> hello, why would sudo echo test > /var/websites/mywebsite/robots.txt return -bash: /var/websites/mywebsite/robots.txt: Permission denied?
[12:02] <llutz> MrKeuner: sudo ends after echo, use "echo test | sudo tee /var/websites/mywebsite/robots.txt"
[12:02] <xiewanchen> The prompt message is that ssh stop /waiting
[12:02] <Zx432> My server doesn't display picture. Monitor displays: Not optimum mode Recommended mode 1280x1024 60 hz
[12:02] <xiewanchen> ssh start /running ,process 2447
[12:03] <MrKeuner> llutz, is this a recent change? I have always been using it this way
[12:03] <xiewanchen> start ,Job failed to start
[12:03] <llutz> MrKeuner: you haven't. that never worked
[12:04] <xiewanchen> mcb_1 :my network interfaces is ok
[12:04] <MrKeuner> llutz, weird I was so sure
[12:04] <mcb_1> xiewanchen:  Are you running the restart command ass root? Or with sudo? Looks like you dont.
[12:05] <MrKeuner> llutz, oh makes sense now, after ">" it is my user again
[12:05] <xiewanchen> mcb_1 yes ,I  use this command with sodu
[12:05] <llutz> MrKeuner: the "> foo" part is done as user before the "sudo command" part takes place
[12:06] <llutz> MrKeuner: another way is: sudo sh -c 'echo whatever > /foo'
[12:07] <ActionParsnip> MrKeuner: echo "some text to add" | sudo tee -a /path/to/file
[12:07] <mcb_1> xiewanchen: So you did $ sudo "/etc/init.d/networking restart"? And in your output the SSH service was restarted? This is odd for me.
[12:07] <Islam>   is there any other software than wine that runs the windows programs "exe" ?
[12:08] <aRaaa> Can anyone help me with Ubuntu?
[12:08] <ikonia> aRaaa: we can try if you ask a question
[12:08] <L3top> Islam: you could use virtual box and actually install windows...
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> Islam: crossoveroffice and cedega, both are not free in any way
[12:08] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: ask a question and see ;)
[12:08] <Zx432> Little help please?
[12:08] <Zx432> My server doesn't display picture. Monitor displays: Not optimum mode Recommended mode 1280x1024 60 hz
[12:08] <mcb_1> L3top, there is "dosbox" also. But it is most for very old stuff......
[12:08] <dr3mro> Islam, why you want to run exe on linux ?
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> Zx432: what GPU do you use?
[12:09] <L3top> thanks mcb_1. Didn't know about that
[12:10] <MrKeuner> llutz, ActionParsnip thanks
[12:10] <aRaaa> Okay, well ill try keep it short. Im using aiMac. I played guilward via Cross over.. Worked perfectly until one day it randomly wouldnt load up. So i tried ubuntu off a CD, i then couldnt return to my OS, so i installed Ubuntu, which im now stuck with. Anyway besides the point. Iv tried over and over and over, to install it on ubuntu, iv tried so many different ways read and watched lots of tutorials. Now basically, it seems to always in
[12:10] <Islam> dr3mro : to run paltalk.exe >> its a chat program
[12:10] <mcb_1> L3top: i use it to play "Eye of the Beholder"......
[12:10] <aRaaa> Guild wars
[12:10] <ikonia> Islam: you have been given the link to the wine application compatability list
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: did you check the appdb
[12:11] <Islam> ikonia : thanx
[12:11] <aRaaa> Oh it cut me off
[12:11] <L3top> Islam: Paltalk has some issues in linux. You might get it going, depending on hardware, but you are better off using the web client
[12:11] <aRaaa> Basically i cnt Launch GuilWaRS... WHY?
[12:11] <aRaaa> Caps
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: did you check the appdb?
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: have you asked in #winehq
[12:12] <aRaaa> It installs, it seems okay, but i just for the life of me cant get it to lauynch, it doesnt crash, it just doesnt happen
[12:12] <L3top> Islam: and wine is your best bet
[12:12] <Islam> L3top : I just need to get it to work then I would try solving the little programs
[12:12] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: try launching it from terminal, the output may be useful
[12:13] <L3top> Islam: again, wine works to some degree, and virtualbox will work completely.
[12:13] <Islam> L3top : wine isnt working, after installing the paltalk it says there is a problem and it never opens, the same error happens with other software too
[12:13] <omegadark> anyone know a good web based frontend to subversion that will allow my users to create there own repos so I don't have to keep doing it?
[12:13] <aRaaa> Sorry its hard to kleep up with what your typing. Can we have a private chat? I dont know what Appdb is, and i tried launching from terminal, but it always says file cannot be found. But its installed.
[12:13] <aRaaa> I jus a moment ago installed it on playonlinux, still nothing
[12:13] <L3top> Islam: have you checked the executable bit?
[12:14] <Islam> L3top : no, I dont even know what it is
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: my text is quite minimal, and I am highlighting you
[12:14] <Zx432> need to check manually....
[12:14] <L3top> Islam: right click on the installer, go to permissions, and make sure the executable bit is set
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: i'd ask in #winehq
[12:14]  * L3top thinks it is permissions....
[12:14] <aRaaa> i see i see sorry, iv never used this. bit in ya face
[12:15] <Islam> L3top : I'm reinstalling wine again,, I'll make sure to try it .. thanx mate
[12:15] <L3top> yes Properties/Permissions
[12:15] <aRaaa> Ive been trying for weeks, Iv uninstalled, reinstalled, used wine, crossover, crossover tie, playonlinux... :
[12:15] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: what OS versions did you try in winecfg?
[12:16] <aRaaa> Im really sorry. but whats do you mean?
[12:16] <aRaaa> Im really sorry, but what do you mean?
[12:16] <soreau> aRaaa: run 'winecfg'
[12:16] <aRaaa> In the terminal?
[12:17] <soreau> yes
[12:17] <maxpogorelov> join #python
[12:17] <maxpogorelov> sorry
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: in the winecfg app you can set the app to see the version of windows as Win2000, Win XP and so on. What have you tried?
[12:17] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: at least one of the guides MUST have mentioned it.....
[12:18] <dr3mro> Islam, لا يعمل علي واين .. و لا تحاول
[12:18] <aRaaa> I think it was
[12:18] <aRaaa> 2000
[12:18] <aRaaa> Win 2000
[12:18] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: then try others]
[12:18] <aRaaa> Nope i jus ran Wincfg
[12:18] <Islam> L3top : تقصد البال توك لا يعمل على واين ؟
[12:18] <aRaaa> Its actually windows xp
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: try a few windows versions, see which makes it ok
[12:19] <aRaaa> Okay iv changed it, but now what,. jus repeat the install process?
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: did you check the appdb or not?
[12:19] <aRaaa> No sorry
[12:19] <ActionParsnip> !appdb
[12:19] <aRaaa> i checked the winecfg and changed it from xp to 2000
[12:20] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: ok, now try the app. If its no good, try one of the other Windows versions
[12:20] <bc81> guys, i have a USB drive plugged in but can't copy files to it.  i formatted it as ext4 in gparted, so how can i "use" it now?
[12:20] <aRaaa> by app you mean GuildWars yes?
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> bc81: chown the mount point to your user (and recursively)
[12:21] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: check the app can be made to run using the appdb, there will be a small guide too
[12:22] <aRaaa> Can i just mention. The game doesnt crash on launch or anything like that, no errors. It literally just does nothing when i try to launch it. But ill check Appdb out
[12:23] <TTilus> aptitude lists all packages twice
[12:23] <kevinyoung> hi all
[12:23] <TTilus> the first entry always has description and the other does not
[12:23] <TTilus> whats going on?
[12:24] <L3top> Islam: I mean certain functions are problematic in Wine. Esp video... often mic, you need to play with the hardware emulation settings a bit in wine settings
[12:24] <L3top> I also do not know Arabic.
[12:25]  * L3top is very fond of google translate
[12:25] <L3top> lol
[12:25] <blkdg> hello, to get my mouse to work i have to sudo modprobe psmouse proto=imps each time i boot. how can i make this change permanent?
[12:26] <ActionParsnip> aRaaa: thats fine, the appdb may help. Also try running the game from the terminal, it may help
[12:26] <blkdg> thanks anyhow
[12:27] <haxxpop> hello anyone
[12:27] <Zx432> I finaly found it, had to take the server apart. I have a graphic card Gigabyte GV R925128T
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> blkdg: echo "options psmouse prot=imps" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf
[12:27] <KettleCooked> When I run apt-get update, I get a lot of 404 and misc errors. How can I start to clean this up? Output: http://pastebin.com/paqmB2Ld
[12:28] <L3top> blkdg: someone probably has a better answer, but I would look at some scripts in init.d, and create an appropriate header based on those and drop that in a script, then update-rc.d scriptname defaults
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> L3top: I gave the fix, but they left...
[12:29] <L3top> I see that now... will remember
[12:31] <L3top> KettleCooked: try generating a new sources.list based on your needs here http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[12:31] <Zx432> I have a graphic card Gigabyte GV R925128T all of a sudden I get Not optimum mode Recommended mode 1280x1024 60 hz on my monitor, I can still see boot sequence normally.
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> Zx432: what GPU do you have?
[12:33] <Zx432> Isn't the GPU the graphic card? So I have  graphic card Gigabyte GV R925128T all of a sudden I get Not optimum mode Recommended mode 1280x1024 60 hz on my monitor, I can still see boot sequence normally.
[12:33] <Zx432> Sorry
[12:33] <Zx432> My bad
[12:33] <L3top> he means what chipset
[12:33] <TTilus> ah, got it, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/831768
[12:33] <L3top> is it nvidia
[12:34] <L3top> is it ati
[12:34] <L3top> etc
[12:34] <Zx432> Should delete part of last msg..
[12:34]  * L3top assumes ActionParsnip is a he... no offense meant
[12:34] <Zx432> OK I get it it is ATI.
[12:35] <radu_> hi can anyone tell me what is /.rpmdb
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> Zx432: ok its a radeon 9250, the brand is irrelevant
[12:35] <radu_> thanks
[12:35] <ActionParsnip> TTilus: precise support in #ubuntu+1 please
[12:35] <Zx432> Yes that is correct.
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> Zx432: try the boot option: nomodeset    may help
[12:36] <radu_> anyone knows?
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> radu_: is it a folder or a file?
[12:36] <radu_> it is a folder
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> radu_: where is it located?
[12:36] <KettleCooked> If I have PHP 5.2.x, and I need PHP 5.3, under karmic - how do I upgrade it?
[12:37] <radu_> "/"
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> KettleCooked: karmic is no longer supported in any way
[12:37] <radu_> it is /.rpmdb
[12:37] <MonkeyDust> radu_  db is database, i guess rpm is the package manager of fedora
[12:37] <KettleCooked> ActionParsnip: ah ok
[12:37] <radu_> but i am not using rpm
[12:37] <radu_> just aptitude
[12:37] <L3top> radu I assume it is some sort of repository for rpms...
[12:37] <matanya> can someone please review :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matanya-laptop-oneiric-20120316-2.png
[12:37] <L3top> redhat etc
[12:37] <matanya> why is the boot time 53s ?
[12:37] <Pici> radu_: Did you happen to install something using alien?
[12:37] <matanya> what hangs?
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> radu_: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[12:38] <radu_> oneiric
[12:38] <radu_> nothing installed using alien
[12:39] <radu_> just aptitude
[12:39] <Pici> radu_: Well, whats inside the file? see: less /.rpmdb
[12:40] <L3top> it is a folder...
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> radu_: ever used yum?
[12:40] <L3top> I thought he said
[12:40] <Pici> L3top: oops
[12:40] <Foo863> Hello
[12:40] <radu_> never used yum
[12:40] <radu_> bever installed a rpm
[12:40] <radu_> never
[12:40] <L3top> same applies... ls the folder... anything in it?
[12:41] <haxxpop> anyone know how to make the irc room chat in empathy notified in my ubuntu desktop ?
[12:41] <radu_> some empty files
[12:41] <radu_> like packages
[12:41] <L3top> what files
[12:41] <radu_> groups
[12:41] <radu_> etc
[12:41] <Foo863> I've got a computer with 10.04 LTS installed, and a nvidia 530GT graphics card
[12:41] <L3top> for instance
[12:41] <L3top> anything you recognize?
[12:41] <radu_> name, group, packages etc
[12:41] <mguy> What file system type should /boot be?
[12:41] <radu_> no content
[12:41] <ikonia> mguy: any linux compatible file system
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> Foo863: i suggest you grab Oneiric, it wil help with the new hardware.
[12:42] <radu_> some other generic names
[12:42] <Foo863> I need to install nvidias proprietary drivers, but the install says that I have to terminate x11 before continuing
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> haxxpop: is there an addon / plugin to talk to libnotify?
[12:42] <Foo863> ActionParsnip: sorry, I can't
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> Foo863: why not
[12:42] <radu_> and also some files like __db.001
[12:42] <L3top> Foo863, there are a few ways to do that.
[12:42] <Foo863> I have to stay with the current installation, many reasons
[12:43] <radu_> reckon it's safe to delete?
[12:43] <mcb_1> radu: I also have this folder with the files you have.... But i have Alien installed.
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> Foo863: there is an xorg edgers update ppa (less fresh, more stable) which will give the 295 driver you will ore than likely need
[12:43] <oconnore> My keystrokes lag and sometimes are dropped entirely or (rarely) duplicated, is there anything I can do about this?
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> oconnore: which release are you using?
[12:43] <L3top> Foo863: You could type init3 probably... and it may kill X.
[12:44] <radu_> mine is 4500 bytes in size
[12:44] <L3top> You could service gdm stop probably
[12:44] <oconnore> ActionParsnip: it happens in 11.04, 11.10 and 12.04
[12:44] <Zx432> #ActionParsnip great I can't see grub :)
[12:44] <L3top> pkill X...
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> oconnore: are you using Unity?
[12:45] <oconnore> ActionParsnip: Yes
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> oconnore: tried unity2D?
[12:45] <L3top> Zx432: do you know which driver you are using?
[12:46] <L3top> fglrx or radeon?
[12:46] <bc81> is xfs a good filesystem to use for a backup drive?
[12:46] <Zx432> yes sort of, it must be the default one for Ubuntu server
[12:46] <L3top> bc81: xfs is very good for media
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> Foo863: hold shift at boot and select recovery mode, then select root. There is now no X server running and you can use the file from nvidia. The ppa is much easier
[12:47] <mcb_1> radu: Looking in my instaled packeges, i saw that i have a rpm packege.... Dont know if it came at install.
[12:47] <radu_> how do u check for rpms?
[12:47] <L3top> Foo863: that is the best way to do it... ^^^
[12:47] <bc81> L3top: ok, thanks.  how can i format the drive to xfs?  in gparted, xfs is greyed out
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> Zx432: you can drop to root recovery mode and set the res in /etc/default/grub     you will need to run:  sudo update-grub  afterwards
[12:48] <radu_> i would like to know which rpms are installed
[12:48] <mcb_1> radu: I did $dpkg -l | grep rpm And I found some RPM related packeges instaled. Should be one of then that created this .rpmdb folder.
[12:49] <bc81> in gparted, i can only format to ext*, fat*, linux-swap and ntfs!?  all the others are greyed out, what gives?
[12:49] <L3top> Not sure...
[12:49] <oconnore> ActionParsnip: it still happens in unity2d/kde, although unity is especially bad in 11.10
[12:49] <radu_> alright
[12:49] <radu_> thank you very much for your help
[12:49]  * L3top is terrible at giving gui support... 
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> oconnore: what GPU do you use?
[12:50] <Kartagis> how can I compare the md5 of the ubuntu iso to the one on the website?
[12:50] <oconnore> ActionParsnip: it's an AMD E-350 Fusion with the built in Radeon HD graphics card
[12:51] <locsmif> Kartagis: run md5sum on the iso
[12:51] <oconnore> open source driver
[12:51] <locsmif> Kartagis: or do md5sum -c <file> <filename.iso>
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> oconnore: have you tried the proprietary driver?
[12:51] <L3top> bc81: it is possible there is already a partition table there which needs to be deleted and recreated
[12:52] <Kartagis> locherm: I also want to verify
[12:52] <locsmif> Kartagis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[12:53] <L3top> bc81: try apt-get install xfsprogs
[12:53] <oconnore> ActionParsnip: the last time I tried there was no suspend/resume, but I guess it might be worthwhile to try again
[12:53] <L3top> !xfsprogs
[12:53]  * L3top sucks at !
[12:54] <bc81> L3top: ok, thanks for that
[12:55] <matanya> anyone?
[12:55] <ActionParsnip> matanya: wassup?
[12:56] <locsmif> ActionParsnip: < matanya> can someone please review :https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Matanya-laptop-oneiric-20120316-2.png
[12:57] <auronandace> !brain | L3top
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> locsmif: ty
[12:57] <joff> !list
[12:57] <L3top> ty auronandace
[12:57] <ActionParsnip> matanya: reboot, then run:   sudo apt-get install pastebinit; clear; dmesg | pastebinit     what is output?
[12:58] <linuxius> hi! I bought an QNAP NAS and would like to setup. I should connect to it at 169.254.100.100:8080. What do I have to set up in the network manager in order to connect to it via LAN-Cable?
[12:58] <joan_> ola
[12:58] <locsmif> matanya: hmmm
[12:58] <mickael_> hello
[12:58] <newcode> I am new to ubuntu and need to install acl, I did apt-get install acl, I know I have to edit /etc/fstab now, but not sure how
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: set the interface as DHCP and itwill get an IP off your router
[12:59] <locsmif> I can read charts like this in general (resemble Gantt charts), but I don't see the exact problem. Maybe ureadahead
[12:59] <usuario> oi
[12:59] <locsmif> Also, the chart says 30s, not 53s
[12:59] <joan_> ola  peñaaaa
[12:59] <usuario> algum brasileiro aki
[12:59] <joan_> noooooo
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> !br
[13:00] <linuxius> I don't have a router in between...
[13:00] <joan_> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[13:00] <linuxius> I says it has to be connected directly to the computer...
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: then you wil need to set the interface you connect with to fall into the same subnet as the device, you will also need a crossover cable as you are connecting peer to peer
[13:01] <locsmif> linuxius: 169.264 is an impossible subnet
[13:01] <xixooorum_jaja> OLE
[13:01] <geirha> unless your nic can do the crossover for you
[13:01] <xixooorum_jaja> VA XE KALLEU
[13:01] <locsmif> Deliberately designed to indicate error
[13:01] <xixooorum_jaja> jajaja
[13:01] <FloodBot1> xixooorum_jaja: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: a NAS can be on a router, as long as there is a logical link it will work
[13:01] <ActionParsnip> locsmif: its not, its the subnet used for systems failing dhcp
[13:02] <locsmif> ActionParsnip: which is what I was saying, although less precise.
[13:02] <vjg_> olaa
[13:02] <locsmif> Wtf
[13:02] <locsmif> Is this sync trolling Brasil?
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: set the interface to be a static IP and set it to fall in to the netmask used by the device.
[13:06] <linuxius> what is the netmask of 169.254.100.100? what is the gateway?
[13:06] <matanya> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/886277/
[13:07] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: its a p2p lan, there is no gateway
[13:07] <linuxius> ActionParsnip:  how can I tell the network manager?
[13:08] <Sidewinder1> newcode, Try gksudo gedit /etc/fstab
[13:08] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: you set the interface to Manual, then specify the details
[13:09] <linuxius> ActionParsnip: I got so far... Then it asks for Adress, Subnet and Gateway...
[13:09] <ActionParsnip> matanya: look around line 764
[13:10] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: yes, set it to similar to the device, but change the last octet of the address, the subnet will be the same
[13:10] <linuxius> so an adress like: 169.254.100.10? and no subnet or gateway?
[13:11] <parapan> hello > I captured some flv clips with youtube-dl script and I cannot play them in Media pLayer or VLC > what can I do ??
[13:12] <L3top> !info gnash
[13:12] <parapan> !info flv
[13:12] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: what is the address of the device?
[13:13] <ActionParsnip> parapan: there are lots of downloaders as addons and extensions for browsers
[13:14] <L3top> I have very good luck with gnash parapan... not perfect by any means, but anything to avoid adobe's player
[13:14] <parapan> ActionParsnip: well I use youtube-dl script ...but I cannot play the resulted .flv file
[13:15] <L3top> yes parapan, that is because you need a player...
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> parapan: try one of the many downloaders for the browser, if you just want the audio you can use this: http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
[13:15] <linuxius> ActionParsnip: in the manual it says "open a web browser and enter the IP address of the NAS: http://169.254.100.100:8080/ (make sure the IP address of your PC is configured to the same subnet, e.g. 169.254.100.1. I cannot klick apply in the network settings with IP 169.254.100.10 and subnet 169.254.0.0... that should be correct though, right?
 vlc plays all my flv files, unless it's encrypted
[13:15] <ActionParsnip> L3top: lightspark isn't bad either
[13:16] <parapan> L3top: I have VLC and default Movie Player ...none of them work
[13:16] <ActionParsnip> linuxius: then 169.254.100.10    subnet 255.255.255.0   will be fine
[13:16] <L3top> parapan: you need a flash player.
[13:17] <parapan> L3top: I installed gnash
[13:18] <cordoval> i am trying to upgrade git on my ubuntu but not sure because i don't want to remove some customizations I have done in some of the files for setup
[13:18] <cordoval> how to proceed I am running the latest ubuntu
[13:19] <parapan> L3top: looks like gnash cannot play .flv files
[13:19] <_Marcus> cordoval: Is it a package from the main repos?
[13:19] <_Marcus> cordoval: As in something you can get with apt?
[13:19] <matanya> ActionParsnip: http://paste.ubuntu.com/886294/
[13:20] <haz3lnut> parapan: is  it just one file you can;t play or many? vlc should work.
[13:20] <jardineworks> #liferay
[13:21] <cordoval> _Marcus how to find out?
[13:21] <cordoval> I think it is but how to make sure?
[13:21] <_Marcus> cordoval: How did you download it the first time?
[13:21] <cordoval> I can't remember
[13:21] <L3top> parapan: Gnash supports playback of FLV videos and allows playing some FLV files from YouTube, MySpace, ShowMeDo and other similar websites (older files with sound – newer files without playing sound). FLV support requires FFmpeg or GStreamer to be installed on the system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash
[13:21] <_Marcus> cordoval: Try "sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"
[13:22] <locsmif> parapan: you can play flv with VLC
[13:22] <locsmif> If you can't something's wrong with your setup
[13:22] <locsmif> parapan: try mplayer
[13:22] <_Marcus> cordoval: That will update all your programs, including Git, if it's from the repos
[13:22] <locsmif> !mplayer
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> matanya: yes, i saw that the first time you pasted the link....
[13:22] <locsmif> !info mplayer
[13:23] <parapan> locsmif: already tried ....cannot play the output of youtube-dl .....
[13:23] <locsmif> parapan: then the movie is broken
[13:23] <locsmif> Not mplayer or VLC
[13:23] <locsmif> parapan: what's the link?
[13:23] <locsmif> I'll download and play it
[13:23] <L3top> as ActionParsnip suggested, you can try lightspark... or get the terribly glitchy resource hungry closed source adobe flashplugin-installer...
[13:23] <parapan> locsmif: could not determine type of stream ...
[13:23] <ActionParsnip> parapan: try one of the addons / extensions for your browser..
[13:23] <cordoval> _Marcus: doing that but not sure if it will take me to a later version on git than 1.7.5.4
[13:23] <cordoval> i need the latest
[13:23] <L3top> not that I am biased ;)
[13:24] <locsmif> parapan: what's the link? We'll know what the problem is in short order. If you want to keep it off the record, pm me
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> parapan: also try kiiss youtube :)
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> parapan: cu
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> parapan: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=547848
[13:24] <kaizhan> Hi All
[13:24] <playman> what is the best/easyest way to connect from ubuntu server to ubuntu live cd terminal?
[13:25] <kaizhan> quit
[13:25] <|Long|> good mornig iam adding new user from ssh, what is th cmd to add him as root level?
[13:25] <cordoval> what is precise?
[13:25] <tingloveme> hi there
[13:25] <itmannen> cordoval:  Ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[13:25] <locsmif> parapan: ?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> playman: i'd say SSH
[13:26] <parapan> k thank you all ...I think one of the solution you offered will do the trick ....
[13:26] <cordoval> how to upgrade to ubuntu 12.04
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> |Long|: add the user to the admn group
[13:26] <_Marcus> cordoval: You don't want to do that
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> cordoval: ask in #ubuntu+1 for advise there
[13:26] <playman> allright thank you for that ActionParsnip
[13:27] <_Marcus> cordoval: It's unstable, not good for everyday use
[13:27] <|Long|> ActionParsnip, thanks what is the cmd line do you know?
[13:27] <ActionParsnip> |Long|: sudo adduser -a -G admin username
[13:27] <|Long|> ActionParsnip, thanks alot
[13:27] <L3top> Should he then add to sudoers?
[13:28] <locsmif> _Marcus: well, I had to compile a new kernel to avoid the constant external hdd disconnects (I boot from it, so as soon as that happens, it's hard reset), so in some ways oneiric isn't great as well
[13:28] <L3top> or is that inherited?
[13:28] <locsmif> And it still happens, though less frequent
[13:28] <_Marcus> locsmif: I would take that over all the bugs 12.04 still has
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> L3top: the admin group is what gives access to gk/sudo
[13:28] <L3top> yes of course...
[13:29] <L3top> I never add root users...
[13:29] <locsmif> _Marcus: hmm, suit yourself ;) A system which.. whoops.. loses access to its own root fs at random is pretty unstable if you ask me.
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> L3top: there can only be one root user, which is 'root'
[13:30] <_Marcus> locsmif: True
[13:30] <garmet> Hello fellow ubuntuers!
[13:30] <|Long|> ActionParsnip, that cmd didnt work
[13:30] <locsmif> garmet: hi
[13:30] <|Long|> -G didnt work
[13:30] <garmet> I have a slight issue with dual screens. I am using a KVM switch and been meddling around with that monitor sleeps when changing back to windoze. no probs in mint here. I fixed that issue and moved on to configuring linux screen orientations. It ended up with me editing my xorg.conf and set everything exactly as it should be, I rebooted and everything looked great. The resolutions where correct and looked really sharp and nice. The deskto
[13:30] <garmet> ps where aligned correctly with separate x windows using Xinerama. The problem though: The screen itself complains that the correct resolution is 1680x1050 @ 60Hz, which is exactly what it uses. After complaining awhile the screen sleeps because it thinks it has wrong resolution. Any thoughts?
[13:30] <L3top> ... well... yes I guess I meant with root access.
[13:31] <L3top> but I always appreciate correction
[13:31] <ActionParsnip> |Long|: i believe useradd can do it too
[13:31] <locsmif> garmet: resolution or refresh rate?
[13:32] <garmet> locsmif: doesnt say, the OSD is just saying that its not the recommended setting
[13:33] <garmet> locsmif: I'll check my xorg.conf to confirm
[13:33] <locsmif> garmet: if it's sharp, I think the resolution is correct
[13:33] <locsmif> non-native LCD resolutions tend to be fuzzy, or otherwise do not fill the screen
[13:33] <|Long|> how can i tell if the user has the root access from ssh screen?
[13:34] <locsmif> garmet: LCD or CRT?
[13:34] <_Marcus> Is it better to do "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" or sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade"?
[13:34] <locsmif> _Marcus: the former.
[13:34] <garmet> locsmif: LCD, so vertRefresh is the Hz right?
[13:34] <_Marcus> locsmif: Thank you
[13:34] <locsmif> garmet: yes
[13:35] <mcb_> |Long|: you can $su new_user you will have a session as the new_user. There you test it.
[13:35] <locsmif> _Marcus: np
[13:35] <|Long|> mcb_, thanks
[13:35] <garmet> locsmif: let me correct and reboot :)
[13:35] <spacebug-> _Marcus: the former will only do the second command if the first one succeeds
[13:35] <garmet> locsmif: thx
[13:35] <_Marcus> spacebug-: Ah
[13:35] <locsmif> garmet: np
[13:35] <spacebug-> _Marcus: which is what one wants
[13:36] <Lurkin_Lobster> hi everyone
[13:36] <locsmif> Lurkin_Lobster: hi
[13:36] <Lurkin_Lobster> can someone point me at a good tutorial for irssi setup?
[13:36] <_Marcus> Hi, Lurkin_Lobster
[13:36] <locsmif> Lurkin_Lobster: start irssi
[13:36] <Lurkin_Lobster> im using it now
[13:36] <_Marcus> !irssi | Lurkin_Lobster
[13:37] <Lurkin_Lobster> thanks
[13:37] <craigbass1976> /var/www probably ought to be owned by www-data, but I want to be able to write to everything.  Is there any way, other than giving www-data a password, to read and write to /var/www while logged in as me but keeping file ownership as www-data:www-data ?
[13:37] <Lurkin_Lobster> this thing is serious business, lol i feel like i could blow up earth or something with it haha
[13:37] <locsmif> Lurkin_Lobster: /set nick Lurkin_Lobster  /set real_name none  /set user_name none   /connect irc.freenode.net  /join #ubuntu   *done*
[13:37] <locsmif> Oh, and /save to save config
[13:38] <L3top> Lurkin_Lobster: I would think you could symlink... but I am just talking out loud
[13:38] <|Long|> ActionPark, that cmd doesn't added new user to root access
[13:39] <haz3lnut> Anyone know of a tool will tell me my physical ram spec and type without me having to reboot to memtest?
[13:39] <L3top> |Long|: I think you need to use visudo and add them to the sudoers
[13:39] <_Marcus> haz3lnut: I believe no operating system can see the full memory in a system.
[13:39] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Hello!
[13:39] <_Marcus> haz3lnut: So you would have to restart.
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> |Long|: http://nixcraft.com/ubuntu-debian/8555-ubuntu-linux-add-user-group.html
[13:40] <_Marcus> Hi Emmanuel_Chanel
[13:40] <enesfaruk> selam
[13:40] <|Long|> ActioParsnip, thanks
[13:40] <enesfaruk> ubuntu kuramıyorum türk var mı
[13:40] <L3top> |Long|: always listen to ActionParsnip over me. I am just trying to help while I learn
[13:40] <dani_> SALVE ITALIANI??
[13:40] <rileyp> haz top
[13:40] <garmet> locsmif: Everything works fine now :)
[13:41] <_Marcus> enesfaruk: Bu İngilizce kanalıdır. Ben Türk kanalı bulamadı, ama oraya gitmek için yardımcı olacaktır.
[13:41] <_Marcus> Where is the Turkish channel?
[13:42] <enesfaruk> thank you marcus
[13:42] <rileyp> In Turnkey
[13:42] <Emmanuel_Chanel> Are many people accustomed to "dash"?
[13:42] <haz3lnut> Thanks _Marcus, anyone else second _Marcus' statement?
[13:42] <rileyp> yep it like bash
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> Emmanuel_Chanel: works ok here
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> rileyp: bash != dash
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> !turkish
[13:43] <rileyp> but with a d lol
[13:43] <_Marcus> 1tr | enesfaruk
[13:43] <leftist> how do i disable the iphone app that initiates when you plug it into a usb port? it utilizes 100% cpu on the laptops. they only use for charging their phones.
[13:43] <_Marcus> !tr | enesfaruk
[13:43] <_Marcus> Oh
[13:43] <_Marcus> Derp
[13:43] <FloodBot1> _Marcus: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:43] <enesfaruk> thank you very much marcus :) good by friend
[13:44] <ActionParsnip> _Marcus: funny how it doesn't say 'see above' in turkish when you use !tr | nick :)
[13:44] <_Marcus> ActionParsnip: :P
[13:45] <Emmanuel_Chanel> I use bash more than dash or its bsh mode.
[13:45] <mneptok> Emmanuel_Chanel: dash is not meant for use as a daily interactive shell, any more than sh was.
[13:46] <rileyp> i use bash
[13:46] <Emmanuel_Chanel> ok.
[13:46] <rileyp> to keep the kids in line
[13:46] <Zx432> I can't get my ethernet to connect to internet. I have no idea what is wrong. I am using text interface.
[13:47] <rileyp> Zx432 ifconfig -a
[13:47] <leftist> how do i disable the iphone app that initiates when you plug it into a usb port? it utilizes 100% cpu on the laptops. they only use for charging their phones.
[13:48] <_Marcus> leftist: This is Ubuntu support. That seems like something with your iOS device.
[13:48] <leftist> no it has to do with ubuntu
[13:48] <_Marcus> leftist: How so?
[13:49] <leftist> if i can just be pointed to startup script location i can figure it out myself.
[13:49] <ikonia> leftist: it's nothing to with ubuntu, contact apple support
[13:49] <leftist> no this is a linux app
[13:49] <leftist> contact apple support laugh
[13:49] <jpds> leftist: "iphone app"
[13:49] <jpds> leftist: No.
[13:49] <rileyp> because the pc has ubuntu on it or he has a ubuntu sticker on the backof his iphone
[13:49] <ikonia> leftist: no, it's not it's an app on your ios device
[13:49] <leftist> your sure?
[13:49] <ikonia> leftist: yes
[13:49] <leftist> hold on
[13:49] <_Marcus> leftist: I can't ask "I burnt my hand on the stove, what do I do?" and then say "I am running Ubuntu so it's Ubuntu-related"
[13:49] <ikonia> rileyp: not helpful, please don't be silly
[13:50] <leftist> wait a minute
[13:50] <unop> leftist, it's probably an app triggered by udev .. I'd look in /etc/udev/rules.d/
[13:50] <ikonia> unop: how is udev launching an app on his phone ?
[13:50] <daveo> i'm doing a fresh install of 11.10, its downloading many language packs. why? i'm only english literate, can i remove them later?
[13:51] <leftist> if i plug in an iphone into a linux based system, it isnt recognized usually. however if there is a driver developed it is then recognized. apple isnt providing any drivers for ubuntu or centos or puppy etc..
[13:51] <unop> ikonia, I'm inferring the app is launched on his machine when his phone is plugged in
[13:51] <ikonia> unop: ah, so something local to his laptop
[13:51] <unop> right
[13:51] <Zx432> Ok it lists two things eth0 and lo
[13:51] <leftist> Seveas are you around?
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> daveo: install localepurge  and it will strip them out
[13:51] <ikonia> leftist: what are you talking about "if there is a deiver developed"
[13:51] <daveo> ActionParsnip: thank you will do
[13:52] <leftist> ok
[13:52] <unop> leftist, what app is this that is launched?
[13:52] <mneptok> Zx432: how is the interface confogured? static IP or DHCP?
[13:52] <leftist> i have to restart i killed it as i usually do but i should know it's path etc.. let me find out exactly what it is and search on google.
[13:52] <leftist> bbiab
[13:52] <_Marcus> leftist: So on your system without drivers to launch this app, it is launching an app?
[13:52] <leftist> but i know i am right
[13:53] <ikonia> leftist: try to explain again, as you are not making much sense
[13:53] <leftist> what i am saying marcus is that apple isnt an option for support because they dont support ubuntu period
[13:53] <leftist> bbiab
[13:53] <leftist> let me examine this better ikonia
[13:53] <leftist> i kinda shot from the hip
[13:53] <ikonia> leftist: is the application causing the problem on ubuntu, or on your iphone ?
[13:54] <mneptok> leftist: Apple is also the only company that knows how the iPhone internals work.
[13:54] <_Marcus> leftist: Have you tried Apple support yet?
[13:54] <leftist> no on ubuntu it causes the app that is provided via ubuntu os to push the cpu to 100%
[13:54] <Zx432> Currently it says loopback. I didn't manually configure it. I don't know how in text interface.
[13:55] <leftist> hell no marcus and i dont intend on that's not even practical. it has nothing to do with apple period.
[13:55] <mneptok> leftist: you bought an iPhone. the system requirements for it say clearly Windows or OSX. Apple is not going to write a driver. no one else is quite sure how.
[13:55] <ikonia> leftist: so the application is on ubuntu
[13:55] <rileyp> Zx432 do you know the ip settings you wish to use?
[13:55] <leftist> let me figure it out
[13:55] <leftist> bbl
[13:55] <lesjaw> somebody, please do "dig atr-corp.biz mx" tell me what is mail.atr-corp.biz ip please
[13:55] <leftist> has nothing to do with apple though
[13:55] <_Marcus> leftist: Then it sounds like the application that is used to connect your iPhone to your Ubuntu OS is causing the CPU usage to rise to 100%, am I correct?
[13:55] <ro_70s> how can I set a key to output a whole phrase?
[13:55] <leftist> corrrect
[13:56] <Zx432> Yes it is on router for now so i can make it up.
[13:56] <leftist> i just need to know which program is running so i can disable it and/or remove it
[13:56] <_Marcus> leftist: Is this a 3rd Party application, or one supported by Ubuntu?
[13:56] <ro_70s> I tried setting a shortcut, but it just tries to execute the phrase, instead of pasting it
[13:56] <leftist> i need to research bbiab
[13:56] <leftist> thanks
[13:56] <mneptok> Zx432: try "sudo dhclient eth0"
[13:56] <otake_wb> hi 2 all
[13:56] <_Marcus> Hello otake_wb
[13:56] <ikonia> leftist: hang on
[13:56] <ikonia> !iphone | leftist
[13:56] <otake_wb> est kto iz russia&
[13:56] <ikonia> leftist: check that link out, it shows you how to connect to your iphone in ubuntu, see if that is the application you are looking at
[13:56] <_Marcus> ikonia: You type fast
[13:57] <leftist> ok
[13:57] <ro_70s> how can I set a key to output a whole phrase? I tried setting a shortcut, but it just tries to execute the phrase, instead of pasting it
[13:57] <_Marcus> !ru | otake_wb
[13:57] <otake_wb> EST KTO IZ ROSSII?
[13:57] <rileyp> Zx432: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces to add your settings
[13:57] <ro_70s> No one know? how can I set a key to output a whole phrase? I tried setting a shortcut, but it just tries to execute the phrase, instead of pasting it
[13:57] <bmoez> what is the minimum memory of video  cart for running kubuntu well in my pc with 512Mo of Ram and 1024x1280 for screen?
[13:58] <_Marcus> ro_70s: Dude, about 30 seconds passed before you assumed nobody knew.
[13:58] <leftist> it works just fine but it hogs 100% cpu just like the index procedure hogs 100% cpu, that was disabled i just cant determine where to disable this iphone app. i'll investigate.
[13:58] <_Marcus> ro_70s: Be patient.
[13:58] <ro_70s> marcus actually I've been asking for 5 minutes
[13:59] <_Marcus> ro_70s: Oh.
[13:59] <rileyp> Zx432: eg mine looks like this  http://pastebin.com/zM3UAnbF
[13:59] <rileyp> change that to suit yours and retstart networking /reboot and all should be well
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> bmoez: should be ok. It won't run well but will run
[14:00] <rileyp> how can one restart network settings from a terminal?
[14:00] <rileyp> is it a sudo service?
[14:01] <just> I have problem after update. In gnome my sound icon was disapear from panel, and when I open sound settings i cannot do nothing with volume indicator
[14:01] <ro_70s> well this sucks ... anyone know where I might try looking it up myself -- or what search terms to use?
[14:02] <_Marcus> ro_70s: "Pasting text with shortcuts Ubuntu"
[14:02] <ro_70s> _marcus: thank you
[14:02] <john___> I could use some help trouble shooting my screen settings. For some reason my max resolution is only 1024x768 and it isn't displaying a high number of colors. It worked fine before rebooting.
[14:02] <_Marcus> john___: Have you installed the drivers for your graphics card yet?
[14:02] <rileyp> ro_70s I would look at making a multikey shortcut from the keyboard shortcuts menu
[14:03] <Zx432> Rileyp: interesting netmask. Looks familiar. :)
[14:03] <_Marcus> john___: Or if their built into your motherboard, for that?
[14:03] <rileyp> Zx432 it about as common as they get
[14:04]  * locsmif salutes gnudoc 
[14:05] <locsmif> Just because.
[14:05] <gnudoc> locsmif: hello!
[14:05] <ikonia> don't do silly things like that in here please.
[14:05] <john___> _Marcus: It was working before, so the drivers should be installed. This is a relatively new setup, but I know that a proprietary driver was selected and installed
[14:05]  * gnudoc wonders why he deserves a salute
[14:06] <_Marcus> gnudoc: Why not?
[14:06] <john___> _Marcus: by selected: i mean selected by the installer
[14:06]  * ikonia would like you to stop using pointless /me commands please.
[14:06]  * _Marcus uses /me
[14:06] <john___> _Marcus: the only thing I have done recently is switched monitors
[14:06] <gnudoc> _Marcus: good point, well made :-)
[14:06] <locsmif> gnudoc: because you seems to be volunteering work for the FSF
[14:06] <gnudoc> locsmif: many thanks
[14:06] <nogbleg> what channel do I ask a question about spamassassin
[14:06] <ikonia> nogbleg: #spamassassin
[14:07] <john___> ikonia: why did you kick him?
[14:07] <_Marcus> john___: I know why
[14:07] <locsmif> heavy handed
[14:07] <locsmif> but what do yo udo
[14:07] <_Marcus> No need for discussion, stay on topic please
[14:07] <ikonia> locsmif: do you have ubuntu support questions/dicussion topics ?
[14:08] <gnudoc> ikonia: any particular reason not to use /me?
[14:08] <locsmif> ikonia: actually I've been providing support on my own time on my own in dime in your channel
[14:08] <john___> _Marcus: ok... any ideas on my issue?
[14:08] <ikonia> gnudoc: it's not /me it's the pointless me copmmands
[14:08] <locsmif> ikonia: but thank you
[14:08] <locsmif> bbl
[14:08] <_Marcus> john___: Sorry, but no :(
[14:08] <ikonia> locsmif: that's not what I asked, do you have any ubuntu support questions/discussion points ?
[14:09] <gnudoc> ikonia: could you define pointless in this context?
[14:09] <ikonia> gnudoc: discussion about you, saluting you, wondering why you've been saulted, your contribution to fsf etc
[14:10] <ro_70s> hi again - thanks for before marcus even if nothing was found.
[14:10] <ro_70s> What is the clipboard manager that comes with 11.10 ?
[14:11] <gnudoc> hmm. those are examples of your opinion, not a definition. Nevertheless, I take your point.
[14:11] <ro_70s> it is not xclipboard
[14:11] <mneptok> !ot | gnudoc
[14:11] <mneptok> gnudoc: not opinion. channel policy.
[14:11] <ikonia> gnudoc: sorry, I'll make it clearer in line with the official channels policy, the channel is for ubuntu support discussion, so any of the other stuff (such as the examples I've given you) or not something we want in the channel
[14:11] <nogbleg> I have spamassassin installed followed ubuntu guide. Seems to be working but messager headers aren't marking with x-spam?
[14:12] <ro_70s>  it is also not glipper (the default usually)
[14:12] <gnudoc> ikonia: okey-dokes
[14:12] <ikonia> thanks
[14:12] <ro_70s> at least, Im reading here where it should be the default for unity, but it is not
[14:12] <mneptok> ro_70s: there is none installed in the base. you have to add one.
[14:13] <ro_70s> oo crud , so one was added here and I dont know whic it is :P
[14:13] <ro_70s> any idea how to find out without superuser access?
[14:13] <john___> can switching monitors cause problems with the display drivers after rebooting?
[14:14] <rileyp> how can I restart the gdm as sudo service gdm restart does not work in natty (Im using xfce4)
[14:15] <mneptok> rileyp: you can restart the entire x.org subsystem with ALT-PrntScr-K
[14:15] <nogbleg> quit
[14:16] <hwilde> cannot open file in kst ?
[14:17] <mneptok> rileyp: something restarted. ;)
[14:17] <rileyp> Hmm impressive can is there keypboard shortcut to just stop the gdm as well?
[14:18] <rileyp> mneptok:  yep I tried it
[14:19] <rileyp> mneptok:  what was it alt printscreen and k?
[14:19] <mneptok> rileyp: quite right
[14:19] <rileyp> mneptok:  so how can I just stop it?
[14:20] <rileyp> mne so that might change gdm for example
[14:21]  * neyder_ Hi everyone!
[14:21] <rileyp>  mneptok better choice of words now how can I change gdm for example
[14:21] <Kartagis> where is dsdt located? I thought it was /proc/acpi/dsdt but I can't find it. I'm on Live CD
[14:22] <mneptok> rileyp: change it ti what?
[14:22] <mneptok> *to
[14:22] <rileyp> well I'd like to install kde but before I do I need to know how to stop xfce and then start kde
[14:23] <mneptok> rileyp: you want just KDE, or the apps that go along with a Kubuntu install?
[14:23] <rileyp> I wish xfce to be default and hit a few buttons and chnage to kde desktop to try it out
[14:24] <rileyp> I dont mind dropping to a tty to change and typeing a command or two
[14:24] <mneptok> rileyp: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[14:25] <rileyp> I know how to get kde
[14:25] <mneptok> rileyp: you'll be given a choice about which you want to run at the login screen
[14:25] <rileyp> I wnat to know how to stop xfce from a tty and start kde
[14:25] <Defusal> hi everyone
[14:26] <mneptok> rileyp: why? just logout and back in.
[14:26] <Defusal> i am rather confused... sudo lshw -C disk
[14:26] <rileyp> is there not a command like sudo service stop gdm anymore
[14:26] <mneptok> rileyp: you'll be able to choose an XFCE or KDE session from the login screen
[14:27] <rileyp> mneptok: I know that
[14:27] <mneptok> rileyp: that's not going to do it, though.
[14:27] <Defusal> "sudo lshw -C disk" shows a virtual drive and two drives with different serial numbers that have no logical names... fdisk -l only shows the partitioned drive
[14:27] <Defusal> can anyone explain what this means?
[14:27] <mneptok> rileyp: you can stop a display manager all you want. it's not going to change what session starts when you login.
[14:28] <Defusal> there are supposedly 2 x 1TB drives, but theres only 1TB of partitioned space... i have no idea how to partition the second drive if it does not exist in fdisk -l
[14:29] <skywalkman> Hello, I want to install sun java6 packages into my ubuntu 10.04 box, I have added "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ lucid partner" into my sources.list file, but still can't find the package using 'apt-cache search', anyone have some ideas?
[14:29] <rileyp> mneptok: Ah ok so if my system start s as xfce4 and I drop to a tty and stop xfce4 and start kde this is not possible as it wil go to the dm menu?
[14:29] <compdoc> Defusal, sounds like its a raid 1
[14:30] <jadoe> what do I do, if a process doesn't quit after kill -9?
[14:30] <rileyp> ah hang on the dm is the dm! I feel silly
[14:32] <rileyp> I want xfce4 to start by default as it does with auto login and then when in xfce Id like to drop to a tty and stsrt kde is this possible? or must I logout and then login to kde?
[14:32] <genii-around> skywalkman: Did you do: sudo apt-get update    ..or equivalent before the apt-cache search?
[14:34] <rileyp>  I want xfce4 to start by default as it does with auto login and then when in xfce Id like to drop to a tty kill xfce4 and start kde is this possible? or must I logout of xfce4 and then login to kde?
[14:35] <skywalkman> genii-around: Yes, I have done the update before do the search
[14:35] <rileyp> mneptok:  I want xfce4 to start by default as it does with auto login and then when in xfce Id like to drop to a tty kill xfce4 and start kde is this possible? or must I logout of xfce4 and then login to kde?
[14:36] <pfifo> I just tried to checkinstall a python source package and I accidentally ended up with the package being installed under the name 'python' so to clean up i did a `dpkg --force all --remove python` followed by a `apt-get install python` and now im wondering if the original package is still there, and if there is anything else I need to clean up.
[14:37] <Mongoose_> Purchasing a new monitor today, samsung 21.5 " led, but do the newer monitors still have the serial cable or are they all usb now?
[14:38] <Mongoose_> not samsung, dell
[14:38] <Mongoose_> 3176069 Front Large
[14:38] <Mongoose_> Dell - 21.5" Flat-Panel LED Monitor
[14:38] <rileyp> Mongoose_ not ubuntu related sorry
[14:39] <Mongoose_> I am sorry. Thank You rileyp
[14:40] <pfifo> heh, my questions always go unanswered, I really know how to ask a stumper eh?
[14:40] <rileyp> mneptok:  I want xfce4 to start by default as it does with auto login and then when in xfce Id like to drop to a tty kill xfce4 and start kde or unity is this possible? or must I logout of xfce4 and then login to kde? I haven't tried kde in years or unity yet...:D
[14:41] <zykotic10> jadoe: what process is it?  is it in a zombie state?
[14:41] <ikonia> rileyp: why are you making this such a complex process
[14:41] <ikonia> rileyp: just logout, and change the dekstop from the greeter, log back in
[14:42] <ikonia> rileyp: why all this "kill X, start a new desktop"
[14:43] <rileyp>  ikonia I dont wish to I obvously dont know what I am doing and am asking something thats not possible
[14:43] <ikonia> rileyp: why not make it simple
[14:43] <ikonia> rileyp: boot the machine, at the login prompt, select which desktop you want to use, if you want to try a different one, lout out, select a different login box, it's super simple
[14:43] <rileyp> i thought it was drop to a tty stop xfce4 and start unity or kde
[14:43]  * mneptok gets deja vu
[14:44] <ikonia> rileyp: mneptok already told you
[14:44] <ikonia> rileyp: you just select the desktop you want from the login greeter
[14:44] <Nach0z> rileyp: nope... you don't need to drop to a tty at all.
[14:44] <rileyp> I know I dont need to but I'd like to
[14:44] <rileyp> is taht ok?
[14:44] <ikonia> rileyp: why ??
[14:44] <rileyp> why the hell not?
[14:44] <ikonia> rileyp: what value is this, it's clear you don't know what you are doing (you said so yourself) so why make this a complex mess
[14:45] <ikonia> rileyp: the ubuntu team put in effort to make it easy to select a desktop, now you're trying to crazy complex method for no reason
[14:45] <rileyp> ok ill log out and back in
[14:47] <Kartagis> isn't /proc/acpi/dsdt accessible on a livecd?
[14:47] <ikonia> Kartagis: try it
[14:47] <Kartagis> ikonia: I did, it wasn't
[14:48] <Kartagis> why is that?
[14:48] <ikonia> Kartagis: then you have your answer
[14:48] <ikonia> Kartagis: disabled in the livecd to account for peoples different hardware ? don't know
[14:49] <Kartagis> okay
[14:49] <Kartagis> thanks
[14:50] <Kartagis> ikonia: would a dsdt in a vm count for a live system?
[14:50] <ikonia> a vm is the same as a standard install, however not all hardware features maybe available due to the emmulation the host can provide
[14:52] <filo1234> sorry guys can someone remember me package name to use instead of deprecated webmin?
[14:52] <Defusal> compdoc
[14:52] <Defusal> thanks, is there any way to confirm if its raid 1?
[14:52] <zykotic10> !ebox | filo1234 i've never used it though
[14:53] <filo1234> zykotic10: oh thanks dude
[14:53] <compdoc> Defusal, depends on how its made. Could be a raid controller, or could be software raid
[14:54] <filo1234> zykotic10: me too, but that wasn't for myself :)
[14:54] <compdoc> mdadm is the tool to use with software raids
[14:55] <Defusal> compdoc, my technician installed the OS, so i assume its hardware
[14:56] <Defusal> funny thing is the package doesn't mention raid
[14:56] <john___> i just ran xvidtune, and it says my Horizontal Refresh Rate is 1048-1184. Does that sound right? Can it get that high?
[14:56] <Defusal> so i assumed it would be 2 seperate drives, but i guess, they gave me an overspec CPU and double the ram of my contact, so it wouldnt surprise me if there are other inconsistencies
[14:56] <Defusal> contract*
[14:57] <filo1234> bye all
[14:58] <_skpl> how can i set ubuntu to display no messages during bootup?
[14:58] <jadoe> zykotic10: firefox, no zombie. I rebooted.
[14:58] <jadoe> occured after resume from hibernate
[15:00] <andrew9183> hey guys, how can i add a bash script that will run from command line
[15:00] <andrew9183> is there a "path" in linux
[15:00] <locsmif> andrew9183: hold on
[15:00] <andrew9183> k
[15:01] <locsmif> andrew9183: oh, uhm, well, yes, there is a path and it's called $PATH
[15:01] <andrew9183> is there a preferred location to put scripts ?
[15:03] <locsmif> andrew9183: not really
[15:03] <locsmif> andrew9183: but you can edit your PATH on a per-user or per-system basis
[15:04] <locsmif> andrew9183: take a look at ~/.bashrc
[15:06] <ActionParsnip> andrew9183: you can put them anywhere in the folders in $PATH, or you can create your own folder and add it to the $PATH
[15:07] <DX099> hello everyone, I installed gnome-shell from official repos, but it never worked : "Unable to initialize Clutter: Unable to find suitable fbconfig for the GLX context: Failed to find any compatible fbconfigs"
[15:07] <ActionParsnip> DX099: do you have 3D accelleration?
[15:07] <locsmif> andrew9183: and /etc/environment
[15:08] <locsmif> andrew9183: that's for global purposes
[15:08] <DX099> ActionParsnip: glxinfo is saying "direct rendering : yes"
[15:08] <locsmif> andrew9183: a good choice might be /usr/local/bin
[15:09] <abeer_> hi, I'm looking to be a part of GSOC 2012 and was hoping that someone here would have applied for mentoring.
[15:12] <Defusal> is it possible to safely remove some space from the swap partitions size and add it to the /home partitions size? keep in mind i would be working remotely and cannot afford to lose ssh access to the system
[15:12] <Pici> !offtopuc | abeer_
[15:12] <Pici> !offtopic | abeer_
[15:13] <abeer_> no it would not be safe to remove space from the swap partition
[15:13] <Defusal> abeer_, damn :(
[15:13] <abeer_> But, since you are accessing it over a network, I'd wait for someone else to comment
[15:14] <locsmif> Defusal: hmmm
[15:14] <marcules> I lost SSH-Access yesterday... the machine probably had som hickup while booting, now I cannot restart it, because I'll surely not travel 800km to press a button :/
[15:14] <Defusal> the technician make the spawn partition way too big, which would have been fine, cause i assumed i had 2 x 1TB
[15:14] <Defusal> but now it seems that its hardware raid 1
[15:14] <abeer_> @marcules - woah!
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> marcules: possibility of smarthands request?
[15:15] <trijntje> Defusal:  I dont think you can modify partions that are in use, in this case both swap and home
[15:15] <marcules> Yeah I should organize someone to reboot the machine properly ^^ -- it's private so it's not as important
[15:15] <locsmif> Defusal: if you stop X, and root's home is on /, then you could swapoff /dev/<swap partition>, umount home partition, and perhaps enlarge one while shrinking the other, if they are adjacent
[15:15] <abeer_> I'm not sure how safe it is to modify partitions when they are on a RAID configuration.
[15:15] <Defusal> hmm
[15:16] <marcules> ActionParsnip, the problem is, that I have no contact information of my room-mate :D
[15:16] <Defusal> locsmif, well theres obviously no X server
[15:16] <Defusal> but it doesn't sound too safe :(
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> marcules: not even facebook, twitter etc?
[15:16] <locsmif> Defusal: it isn't, it's dangerous
[15:16] <marcules> I only know his first name :D
[15:16] <ActionParsnip> marcules: oh jeez
[15:17] <Defusal> then i guess i'll just have to give up the space, oh well
[15:17] <marcules> ActionParsnip, yeah :x
[15:17] <raidhtc> hello loves
[15:17] <marcules> I shouldn't have tried to reboot it
[15:17] <marcules> ^
[15:17] <locsmif> Defusal: are swap and home adjacent?
[15:18] <abeer_> locsmif normally they are
[15:18] <Defusal> locsmif, is /run the swap partition?
[15:18] <locsmif> Defusal: with swapoff, you'd be running without swap for a while, which is not serious unless you're expecting to use copious amounts of memory during your operation
[15:18] <Defusal> well theres very little running for now
[15:18] <Defusal> and the box has 16GB ram
[15:18] <locsmif> Defusal: just pastebin fdisk -l
[15:18] <locsmif> Defusal: right
[15:19] <abeer_> true, with the swap off it would be perfectly alright to resize partitions
[15:19] <TorbenBeta> Guys, can anyone help me with: http://www.ehow.com/how_7165724_mount-sd-card-linux.html? It says use 'fdisk -l' but that gives me no results.
[15:19] <Defusal> hmm, this is super weird
[15:19] <Defusal> fdisk -l's output is suddenly blank
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> TorbenBeta: it needs sudo
[15:19] <locsmif> Defusal: as root
[15:19] <TorbenBeta> Thanks.
[15:19] <Defusal> ohh, right
[15:19] <Defusal> stupid me
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> ;)
[15:19] <locsmif> Sorry, I'm not much of the sudo type, I just su
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> locsmif: shouldn't work in ubuntu, the root account is disabled by default
[15:20] <locsmif> My sudo judo is weak
[15:20] <locsmif> heh
[15:20] <locsmif> ActionParsnip: running Kubuntu here
[15:20] <ActionParsnip> locsmif: same applies
[15:20] <locsmif> Or perhaps I enabled root myself, I don't recall though
[15:20] <ikonia> won't work in kubuntu either
[15:21] <Defusal> locsmif, i did that many years ago when i was new to linux, its supposedly bad practice
[15:21] <Defusal> and i can see why
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> locsmif: you will have, you can achieve the same with:  sudo -i   and you can keep root disabled
[15:21] <Defusal> not only can you easily make mistakes, but you also end up with all modified files belonging to root
[15:22] <truf> where do i ask for cloak
[15:23] <ActionParsnip> !cloak
[15:23] <Defusal> locsmif, http://paste.ubuntu.com/886463/
[15:24] <DX099> so no clue ?
[15:25] <ActionParsnip> DX099: can you give a pastebin of the output of:   sudo lshw -C display; lsb_release -a; uname -a
[15:25] <locsmif> Defusal: and the output of 'mount' too pls :)
[15:25] <locsmif> and perhaps fstab
[15:25] <locsmif> /etc/fstab that is
[15:26] <TorbenBeta> I'm too stupid to mount a sd card read only per terminal :-(.
[15:26] <dagerik> TorbenBeta: you can mount readonly with the switch: "-ro" as in "read only"
[15:27] <szonek> hi
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> !mount | TorbenBeta
[15:27] <DX099> ActionParsnip: http://paste2.org/p/1942360
[15:27] <szonek> how come there is no "-I" option in `man date` but it works? :)
[15:28] <szonek> $ date -I  outputs 2012-03-16
[15:28] <KaiForce> nice will it do it sans dashes or do I need to process that through another program
[15:29] <benkant> when trying to install the 'g8' package I get 'Depends: git but it is not going to be installed' I tried "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get install -f" .. no change (Using LTS)
[15:29] <raidhtc> erwtisi
[15:29] <raidhtc> pos pinw health potion?
[15:29] <matthew85> I'm trying to share files over a network between Oneiric and Win7. I installed "system-config-samba" but when I click the program it does not run.
[15:29] <ActionParsnip> DX099: if you reboot and log in to the gnome shell session after a clean boot, is it ok?
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: you can share folders using nautilus
[15:31] <benkant> I think maybe I need to re-evaluate my life
[15:31] <matthew85> ActionParsnip: I have tried going through "Network" but when I try to open WORKGROUP it fails.
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> benkant: what is the output of:  lsb_release -sc
[15:31] <DX099> ActionParsnip: no, i've done it plenty of time, the boot is always clean, I'm getting lightdm and all but gnome-shell never gets up, il fallback to gnome3 gnome-panel like interface
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: is that to connect to shares on win7?
[15:32] <benkant> ActionParsnip: lucid … ?
[15:32] <matthew85> ActionParsnip: yes
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: is there a firewall in the way?
[15:32] <locsmif> Defusal: if /dev/sda3 is /home than you have a chance
[15:32] <locsmif> may have*
[15:32] <truf> matthew85: are you trying to access from win7 or ubuntu?
[15:32] <szonek> how come there is no "-I" option in `man date` but it works? :)
[15:32] <szonek> $ date -I  outputs 2012-03-16
[15:33] <szonek> am i missing something?
[15:33] <matthew85> ActionParsnip: I will check my firewall on Win7. truf: I'm trying to access Win7 from Oneiric
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: if you run:  smbtree    do you see the share?
[15:33] <djbenny> afternoon
[15:33] <matthew85> ActionParsnip: yes
[15:34] <L3top> date -l does not give me output szonek
[15:34] <KaKila> What is a good replacement for libhdf5-serial-1.8.4?
[15:34] <truf> matthew85:well if you setup smb.conf correctly, you should just be able to use your file browser address bar: smb://computer-name
[15:34] <zykotic10> L3top: it's capital i, not a L
[15:34] <matthew85> ActionParsnip: it then outputs "failed to connect
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: try pressing ALT+F2 and run:  smb://servername/sharename
[15:35] <L3top> ah
[15:35] <L3top> so it is
[15:35] <maxagaz> is my ubuntu 32 or 64 ? (Linux malo 3.0.0-17-generic-pae #30-Ubuntu SMP Thu Mar 8 17:53:35 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux)
[15:35] <zykotic10> maxagaz: 32 with PAE
[15:35] <maxagaz> zykotic10, , PAE ?
[15:36] <zykotic10> maxagaz: a "hack" to address more then the 3.?GB RAM limit on 32bit - slows you system down though
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> maxagaz: pae gives 32bit arch access to up to 64Gb RAM but each process is limited to 3.2Gb RAM
[15:36] <maxagaz> I see
[15:38] <popsch> the libreoffice package doesn't create an "application/x-msword" entry in /etc/mailcap
[15:38] <KaiForce> maxagaz: if you have more than 3GB and your apps allow you should run x64
[15:38] <ActionParsnip> popsch: are there any bugs reported?
[15:39] <Defusal> locsmif, yeah it is
[15:39] <popsch> AcidRain, a search for "libreoffice application/x-msword" doesn't show an entry
[15:39] <popsch> ActionParsnip, a search for "libreoffice application/x-msword" doesn't show an entry
[15:40] <matthew85> ActionParsnip, that produces no results
[15:40] <Defusal> locsmif, i don't suppose theres a tutorial for this anywhere?
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> popsch: sounds like a new bug then
[15:40] <Defusal> i can't afford to make any mistakes
[15:40] <Guest12486> which one is better between libreoffice and openoffice?
[15:40] <Defusal> it is extensive to send a technician to the data centr
[15:40] <Defusal> center*
[15:41] <Lantizia> Can anyone recommend a tiny tiny live cd that'll give me ssh into a pc?
[15:41] <yx32819> OpenOffice development is stalled, while LibreOffice is adding new features and has lots of contributors
[15:41] <Lantizia> e.g. just to muck around on the filesystem
[15:41] <yx32819> OpenOffice will become irrelevant in the future
[15:42] <ActionParsnip> Lantizia: puppy
[15:42] <zykotic10> yx32819: s/will become/is/ and s/future/now/
[15:42] <ActionParsnip> Lantizia: or xpud
[15:42] <Lantizia> ActionParsnip, ok bear in mind one hell of an idiot engineer will be downloading it and it needs to be as easy as hell to configure a static IP
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> Lantizia: puppy then, xpud uses more cli to configure lan if memory serves
[15:43] <zykes-> ifco
[15:43] <KaiForce> Defusal: do you have a machine you could set up to test what you are trying to do?
[15:43] <zykes-> wrong windows :)
[15:43] <pascual> Hello
[15:43] <zykes-> s/s$/g
[15:43] <locsmif> Defusal: hmmm
[15:43] <pascual> Im having some issues with my netbook
[15:43] <KaiForce> A machine that is local to you.
[15:43] <locsmif> Defusal: tutorials can be wrong too
[15:43] <pascual> i wish someone could help me
[15:43] <Lantizia> ActionParsnip, so upon boot puppy will ask for IP details? or will it just attempt dhcp - fail - and boot without network?
[15:44] <ActionParsnip> Lantizia: there is a network app you can setup
[15:44] <locsmif> Defusal: there are some experts in this channel and you'll have multiple opinions to guide you
[15:44] <locsmif> I'd ask them too
[15:44] <Defusal> KaiForce, i do not
[15:44] <Defusal> ok
[15:44] <ActionParsnip> Lantizia: it'd be useful to you to learn how to setup IP from cli using ifconfig
[15:44] <pascual> Hello, im having some troubles with my netbook, im using the latest ubuntu realease via USB
[15:44] <Lantizia> ActionParsnip, -I- do but the engineer I'm getting to do this wouldn't have a clue
[15:44] <sythe_> Can someone please provide with the drivers for the HP Deskjet 3050A J611 printer?
[15:45] <encrypt> hi everybody
[15:45] <sythe_> Ubuntu can't find any.
[15:45] <sythe_> Even though Ubuntu recognizes the printer as being a printer...
[15:45] <Guest12486> Is libreoffice  compatable to Micro Office ?
[15:45] <sythe_> Guest12486: Yes.
[15:45] <Defusal> can anyone please advise me on the best way to safely move some of my servers swap partitions space to the home partition over SSH without messing with the root partition?
[15:45] <sfsf32> shut up nerd
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: the hplip package is in a default install, it should support it.
[15:46] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: I'm on 10.04, and it doesn't work.
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: could grab the latest from the hplip site and update it
[15:46] <Lantizia> sfsf32, who are you talking to?
[15:46] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: Can I get a PPD file, then?
[15:47] <encrypt> Can sb please assist with an issue with NM? its not working since i run an upgrade yesterday, when opening network in system settings a dialog pops up saying that network services are not compatible with this version??
[15:47] <encrypt> nm-applet is gone also, not even when running it from terminal
[15:47] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: the run file, mark it executable and run it as your user (without sudo)
[15:47] <Guest12486> thanks
[15:48] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: It's just not listed in the "choose driver" menu...they seem to skip right from Deskjet 2500 to 3320
[15:48] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: I get missing deps stuff
[15:49] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: run an oneiric liveCD, does it auto install in the live environment?
[15:49] <sythe_> Probably, but I'm not able to use Oneiric
[15:49] <sythe_> It's fortunate that I'm on an LTS
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: why fortunate?
[15:50] <truf> Oneiric has some bugs
[15:50] <truf> more than it should
[15:50] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: Because it's supported...
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> truf: All software has bugs
[15:50] <addictzabhi> hello
[15:50] <addictzabhi> can anyone tell me about gsoc
[15:50] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: so is maverick, and natty and oneiric....
[15:51] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: libcups2-dev doesn't install
[15:51] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: Maverick isn't, or won't be
[15:51] <newtolin> I set up ubuntu with luks encryption. I use two hard disks, the second one currently is a truecrypt ntfs volume, I want to change that. truecrypt on windows offers automounting other volumes that use the same encryption passphrase as the boot volume. Is there a way to do this with luks?
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: it is now, just not after next month
[15:51] <addictzabhi> can anyone tell me about gsoc
[15:51] <addictzabhi> ??
[15:51] <TorbenBeta> Thank you in advance: Can I run a program (TestDisk & PhotoRec) which has 2 versions:  'kernel 2.6.x i386/x86_64' and the same but for'2.4.x'. Can I with Kernel: '3.0.0-16-generic-pae' run it?
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> !info gsoc
[15:52] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:   krb5-multidev: Depends: comerr-dev but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages "
[15:52] <sfsf32> shut up nerd
[15:52] <zykotic10> TorbenBeta: PAE mean 32bit, means i386
[15:52] <TorbenBeta> Sorry for the bad English.
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> sfsf32: please don't
[15:52] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: "The following packages have unmet dependencies:  THIS: Depends: OTHER but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages "
[15:52] <ActionParsnip> TorbenBeta: i'd imagine so
[15:52] <Guest12486>  Sorry for the bad English，too.
[15:53] <Outcast> Can anyone tell me how to increase the "To" fields in Thunderbird please ?
[15:53] <sythe_> And whenever I do "sudo apt-get install"on the OTHER, ActionParsnip, I get the same message for different sets of packages
[15:53] <TorbenBeta> So Mr. zykotic10 doesn't x86_64 stand for 64 bit?
[15:53] <pr0teus> does anyone have a guide to make ubuntu spend less energy? i'm having too problems first my mmc0(card reader) is spending too much energy and the second is the comparison with Windows and Ubuntu in Windows its last 2hours, in Ubuntu 45 min
[15:53] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: its the problem with running old releases
[15:53] <zykotic10> TorbenBeta: yes
[15:53] <TorbenBeta> So it is not for my versions which is another Kernel and 32 bit instead of 64.
[15:53] <yx32819> PAE does not mean 32 bit - it means physical address extension, allowing 32 bit OS's to support more than ~4 GB
[15:53] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: So...what should I do?
[15:54] <truf> pr0teus: did you upgrade to the latest kernel? 3.0 seems to solve that problem for most people
[15:54] <zykotic10> yx32819: ONLY 32bit has PAE ;)
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: i'd try Oneiric in liveCD, just to test
[15:54] <pr0teus> truf: yeah running the last kernel
[15:54] <TorbenBeta> Which version would be better? The one with 2.6.x or with 2.4.x?
[15:54] <ActionParsnip> yx32819: 64bit doesn't have or need PAE as it can address 4Eb of RAM natively
[15:54] <pr0teus> truf: 3.0.16 x64
[15:55] <skinnytop> hat's twice
[15:55] <truf> pr0teus: well I suggest disabling compiz and using a lighter dm
[15:55] <steakknife> After running clear and set selections on lucid, is there a standard way to trigger dselect without an upgrade?
[15:55] <sythe_> Heh... Ubuntu 12.10 - Quirky Quagga
[15:55] <pr0teus> truf: what is a dm?
[15:55] <yx32819> zykotic10: No shit
[15:56] <truf> pr0teus:desktop manager, like gdm or lightdm
[15:56] <vadsomhelst> hi, i'm currently using ubuntu 10.10, and i want to install some newer version. which one is least buggy? I didn't like the 11.04, I'm thinking about 11.10, what do you suggest? or should I wait for the 12.10?
[15:56] <yx32819> vadsomhelst: Fedora ;) The newer ones are fairly buggy (imo). I'm on 10.04
[15:56] <truf> vadsomhelst: wait for 12.10! and only do security updates
[15:57] <TorbenBeta> I use 11.10 with some tweaking and are quite content.
[15:57] <ksbalaji> name an app to chat using commandline please?  - my graphics does not work properly and I cannot use xchat. I am now on livecd.
[15:57] <pr0teus> truf: witch you advise?
[15:57] <yx32819> ksbalaji: irssi
[15:57] <ksbalaji> yx32819, thanks.
[15:57] <locsmif> Defusal: what do you mean you can't afford to make mistakes?
[15:57] <ActionParsnip> vadsomhelst: I'd waitt if you plan to clean install
[15:57] <locsmif> Defusal: can you define that a little better?
[15:58] <locsmif> Defusal: you don't have access to an administrative web interface?
[15:58] <Pici> vadsomhelst: 12.10 will not be released until October. 12.04 comes out near the end of April.
[15:58] <truf> pr0teus: personally I'm using xfce, its a balance beween being light and can be modified a LOT if you want
[15:58] <vadsomhelst> I don't like fedora :) I tried opensuse, debian, fedora, mint, but somehow I always return to ubuntu. 10.04 was also quite buggy...
[15:58] <locsmif> Defusal: which you can use to reinstall if necessary?
[15:58] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: there is a page on ubuntu.com you can suggest code names
[15:58] <vadsomhelst> my bad Pici :)
[15:58] <yx32819> vadsomhelst: Perhaps, I guess it's just that bugs in later versions of Ubuntu affect my particular hardware. I've reported them but nothing happens.
[15:58] <Defusal> locsmif, i had to hire a private technician to go out to the data center and install the OS and configure network, firewall and SSH
[15:58] <sythe_> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming.
[15:59] <sythe_> *angryface*
[15:59] <pr0teus> truf:  just apt-get install is enought?
[15:59] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: Link?
[15:59] <locsmif> Defusal: I see
[15:59] <locsmif> Defusal: so no Plesk or whatever
[15:59] <sfsf32> shut up nerd
[15:59] <locsmif> sfsf32: GTFO
[15:59] <Defusal> locsmif, no. hardware and bandwidth is all that is provided
[15:59] <sythe_> 12.10: Quirky Quagga
[15:59] <truf> pr0teus: yes, apt-get install xfce4, logout and choose xfce from the dropdown menu
[15:59] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: IT'S ALREADY THERE?!
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames   scroll a little down, you can suggest all the way up to 20.04
[16:00] <sythe_> ActionParsnip: Did you add that?  Or did someone have the same idea?
[16:00] <ActionParsnip> sythe_: the codenames are of no consequence imho
[16:00] <locsmif> Defusal: so what is sda3?
[16:00] <danieldeusing> hey, where can I ask a specific question about ubuntu and usb I/O and maybe some python stuff, but this is not important ?
[16:00] <vadsomhelst> ok, I'll try 11.10, if not I'll wait for 12.04. one more question, can I use regular gnome without unity or whatever, I'm used to simple interface :)
[16:00] <sfsf32> shut up nerd
[16:00] <truf> pr0teus: try that and see if your battery lasts longer(if that's what you mean by energy conservation)
[16:01] <locsmif> !ops sfsf32
[16:01] <Defusal> locsmif, /home
[16:01] <yx32819> vadsomhelst: Regular gnome is now gnome shell, I presume you know that? Yes, that's available
[16:01] <locsmif> Defusal: if you're sure about that, you have options
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> vadsomhelst: you can tweak the UI. if you dislike Unity then I'd go for XFCE
[16:01] <sfsf32> shut up nerd
[16:01] <locsmif> Defusal: are you logged in as root, directly, or via su?
[16:02] <vadsomhelst> ok, thanks :)
[16:02] <locsmif> Defusal: normally one would login to ssh on a normal account
[16:02] <Defusal> locsmif, as a user with sudoers access
[16:04] <locsmif> Defusal: okay, that's where I have to stop, because I would now give you advice which would deviate from what the rest here would approve of
[16:04] <LmtdAt> How do I get all the things that I've typed in the terminal?
[16:04] <locsmif> Since you're logged in as a normal user, sudo or not, you are using /home
[16:04] <LmtdAt> My terminal history if you will
[16:04] <zykotic10> LmtdAt: "history" maybe?
[16:04] <locsmif> And therefore, you cannot unmount it, end of story...
[16:04] <Pici> LmtdAt: history
[16:04] <rebe> omg! omgubuntu does't work, end of the world
[16:04] <LmtdAt> zykotic10; Pici;  thanks.
[16:05] <pr0teus> truf: witch packages should i get ? xfce4 and ?
[16:05] <Defusal> locsmif, ok i understand
[16:05] <ActionParsnip> LmtdAt: history | less
[16:06] <LmtdAt> ActionParsnip; Thanks.
[16:06] <locsmif> Defusal: how much room do you have on /  ?
[16:06] <truf> pr0teus: that should install the minimal xfce, if you want goodies: http://goodies.xfce.org/
[16:06] <locsmif> Defusal: thinking of a different solution
[16:06] <LmtdAt> I'm actually getting this information for powershell...help in bash ~= help in powershell.
[16:06] <ActionParsnip> pr0teus: xfce4 will give the minimal xfce desktop
[16:06] <truf> pr0teus: you're trying to make your battery last longer right?
[16:06] <locsmif> Defusal: df will tell you that, obviously
[16:06] <pr0teus> truf: ActionParsnip thanks i'll browse those goodies
[16:07] <pr0teus> truf:  right !
[16:07] <truf> pr0teus: just making sure :)
[16:07] <aithox> hi.. can i copy all media codecs from linuxMint to ubuntu .? i don't wanna download coz my connection is about 5kbs/sec
[16:07] <pr0teus> truf: do you have any idea how to resolve my MMC0 card?
[16:07] <Defusal> locsmif, 173G
[16:08] <truf> pr0teus: no idea on that
[16:08] <locsmif> Defusal: what users' homes are currently on sda3 and how much space is taken up?
[16:08] <locsmif> Defusal: can you reboot the box, if you want?
[16:08] <vadsomhelst> oh, and another thing, I had some issues with usb I guess, I'm a n00b for troubleshooting, but the thing is that my mouse randomly stops working, I open rhythmbox and the screen turns gray, I open system monitor and I see that the process is uninterruptible and that in the waiting channel column says libusb_open or something like that, I can't remember.. that happened few days ago. now everything works fine, except my mouse sometimes doesn't work. I tri
[16:08] <vadsomhelst> ed to plug in another mouse, which I know it works, but here it doesn't. I have the same problem in win7, I'm dual booting, so I guess it's hardware, but still have no idea. my computer is relatively new, so is the mouse, so it's strange to me. any thoughts?
[16:09] <Kitty_> menuitem id = context-paste  - this kind of error is shown when i try to open mozzila firefox
[16:09] <Kitty_> can you help me
[16:09] <Defusal> locsmif, nothing important is on /home, as i have only used it to download source packages to for building
[16:09] <vcarney> I'm on Ubuntu 11.10 dual screen. When I start empathy, a green icon bubble is locked in uppper left toolbar. How do I relocate this as it's overlaying application controls like Maximize, Minimize, Close.
[16:09] <Defusal> locsmif, i can reboot it, as long as i know there won't be an issue with booting
[16:10] <spacebug-> vadsomhelst: check for errors/info in /var/log/syslog and also the command "dmesg" can give you info
[16:10] <truf> has anyone here tried moebuntu
[16:10] <gogasan> Hi all. There is maxima compilation problem on ./configure stage: configure: error: No lisp implementation specified and none of the default executables clisp(clisp),gcl(GCL),lisp(CMUCL),scl(SCL),sbcl(SBCL),lisp(ACL),openmcl(OpenMCL),ecl(ECL) were found in PATH
[16:11] <gogasan> What should i do?
[16:11] <Walther> Trying to pla minecraft on Ubuntu, keep getting error libjawt.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:11] <trism> gogasan: try: sudo apt-get build-dep maxima;
[16:12] <pascual> Hello, i had a trouble with ubuntu, it said "ACPI Error switching the brightness", before the computer got stuck and the brightness went up and down, up and down. then i could not iniciate ubuntu anymore.
[16:12] <vcarney> can anybody help with my Empathy issue??
[16:12] <pascual> im using a samsung n145 plus netbook
[16:12] <locsmif> Defusal: you need some way to move your current home to /
[16:13] <gogasan> Emm... Answer is: Unable to find source code for maxima
[16:13] <locsmif> Defusal: unless we have a detailed look into what's in your /home now, we don't know what happens on reboot, since this is Ubuntu and it disables root
[16:13] <vadsomhelst> I'm looking at the log, I guess this particular line is relevant: hub 3-0:1.0: port 3 disabled by hub (EMI?), re-enabling...
[16:13] <pascual> Hello, i had a trouble with ubuntu, it said "ACPI Error switching the brightness", before the computer got stuck and the brightness went up and down, up and down. then i could not iniciate ubuntu anymore.
[16:14] <Defusal> locsmif, hmm maybe i should just leave it eh
[16:14] <locsmif> Defusal: yes, given your worries, I don't think it's worth it
[16:14] <locsmif> You want guarantees, they can't be given
[16:14] <Defusal> yea
[16:14] <Defusal> alright, thanks
[16:14] <locsmif> np
[16:14] <trism> gogasan: ahh yeah you need to enable source repos to do that, well, maxima using gcl in the default ubuntu version, so you could install that
[16:15] <Defusal> 50GB swap is rather excessive
[16:15] <locsmif> Defusal: hmm
[16:15] <Defusal> but oh well
[16:15] <trism> gogasan: or just enable the source repos in software-properties-gtk
[16:15] <truf> isnt swap supposed to be your ram size?
[16:15] <locsmif> Defusal: how do you do a reboot?
[16:15] <Defusal> and the technician said that ubuntu chose that size
[16:15] <Guest97491> !q
[16:15] <aithox> hi.. can i copy all media codecs from linuxMint to ubuntu .? i don't wanna download coz my connection is about 5kbs/sec
[16:15] <gogasan> Thanks...
[16:15] <Guest97491> !exit
[16:15] <locsmif> Defusal: in case of trouble, can you call the data center and tell them to do a reboot for you?
[16:16] <itaylor57> Walther, what jre version are you running and what ubuntu?
[16:16] <locsmif> If that's the case, you could try unmounting your /home right now
[16:16] <pascual> anyone can help me?? Hello, i had a trouble with ubuntu, it said "ACPI Error switching the brightness", before the computer got stuck and the brightness went up and down, up and down. then i could not iniciate ubuntu anymore.
[16:16] <Guest97491> !quit
[16:16] <vadsomhelst> anyone considering my problem? no? :)
[16:16] <Walther> itaylor57: openjdk 7
[16:16] <zykotic10> Guest97491: try /exit
[16:16] <locsmif> And if that works, you can copy your home to /, comment out the home line in fstab and reboot
[16:16] <jadoe> I can't log in with askubuntu.com. when I click on "log in with Stack Exchange" in firefox, nothing happens at all. when I click that button in midori, i get links to "sign up" and "recover account".
[16:16] <gogasan> Source code repositories enabled. But still not working
[16:16] <truf> pascual: i could not iniciate ubuntu anymore. what do you mean?
[16:16] <locsmif> Then, you're in business.
[16:16] <Walther> itaylor57: at the moment installing 6 to try that out
[16:17] <Defusal> locsmif, there should be a remote reboot interface in place, but i havn't been given any details, which is rather annoying.. but it wouldn't help since if there is an issue breaking boot, simple rebooting wont help anyway
[16:17] <itaylor57> Walther, yea that is happening alot with 7 let me see if i can find an answer
[16:17] <locsmif> Defusal: that's just the thing
[16:17] <vcarney> how do u move this crazy green bubble from Empathy IM client locked in my toolbar
[16:17] <Defusal> simply*
[16:17] <locsmif> Defusal: trying to umount /home should break boot
[16:17] <locsmif> That step by itself
[16:17] <Defusal> yeah it's fine, i'll just leave it
[16:17] <locsmif> Right, cool, hehe
[16:17] <Walther> itaylor57: don't bother, I'll actually go with the 6
[16:17] <Walther> thanks anyway
[16:18] <aithox> not helpful
[16:18] <aithox> :(
[16:18] <Defusal> ill just have to script some extra log/db rotation when space becomes an issue
[16:18] <forbidden404> Hi, there, someone knows how to install the new ATI driver? I typed sh ./amd-driver-installer-12-1-x86.x86_64.run –buildpkg Ubuntu/oneiric in the terminal, and I got this http://paste.ubuntu.com/886511/
[16:18] <trism> gogasan: you need to apt-get update after changing the repos
[16:18] <gogasan> trism: i have armel architecture :D this is a big problem?
[16:19] <itaylor57> Walther, kewl
[16:19] <trism> gogasan: oh possibly
[16:19] <locsmif> aithox: no you probably can't
[16:19] <trism> gogasan: I don't know if maxima is available on armel, hmm
[16:19] <erespond> bro, am need download google book how to
[16:19] <trism> gogasan: in the repos anyway
[16:19] <erespond> am used ubuntu 10.10
[16:19] <locsmif> and a 5kb/s connection is probably not workable anyway
[16:19] <gogasan> Sure, first of all i tryed to install maxima from rep
[16:19] <locsmif> aithox: You should/could have installed Debian Stable
[16:20] <locsmif> Defusal: good luck my friend.
[16:20] <erespond> ActionParsnip, hai, am need download google book, am used ubuntu 10.10 how to ?
[16:20] <locsmif> Hope you resolve the issue
[16:20] <shaneo> hey guys my sources are checking for both amd64 and i386 repos on update im running amd64 and keep getting dupe errors any suggestions
[16:20] <erespond> anybody know that....
[16:20] <Defusal> locsmif, what is the recommended convention for logging and storing database on the home partition? for instance for mongodb, should i make a /home/mongodb directory?
[16:20] <aithox> locsmif: what'z tat .. i m using ubuntu 12
[16:20] <aithox> and linuxMint 12
[16:20] <truf> forbidden404: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-ati-video-card-in-you-linux-system.html use your version
[16:21] <erespond> am need download google book how to
[16:21] <locsmif> Defusal: I've never used Mongodb, but if the installation created a user, then it should have a directory under /home, if not, I'd create one
[16:21] <locsmif> by formally creating a user named 'mongodb'
[16:21] <trism> gogasan: which ubuntu version is this? I see it built for armel on maverick+
[16:21] <locsmif> Then, I'd point Mongodb's configuration there
[16:21] <gogasan> trism: On some webside i googled  someone said that should to install some lisp implementations. My ver is 11.10
[16:23] <trism> gogasan: on amd64/i386 it would be gcl, but it looks like gcl failed to build on armel
[16:23] <sythe_> What do I do if "the following packages have unresolveable dependencies"?
[16:23] <gogasan> em... what is gcl? Is there no way to use gcl on almel?
[16:23] <Defusal> locsmif, hmm ok thought as much, just thinking it may make /home a little messy
[16:24] <trism> gogasan: gnu common lisp
[16:24] <locsmif> Defusal: not if mongodb is created as a user...formally with adduser
[16:24] <locsmif> Defusal: just disable ssh access for mongodb
[16:24] <Defusal> locsmif, yeah ok, thanks
[16:25] <gogasan> trism: I found gcl in repository. Installing
[16:25] <trasp> Okay.... So I've managed to configure postfix and dovecot so that mails sent to my domain is delivered in my Maildir and I can telnet dovecot (imap2), but when I try to add this account to thunderbird it complains about my password, what can I have done wrong?
[16:25] <locsmif> Or disable the user altogether in /etc/shadow
[16:25] <locsmif> Defusal: that's what mysql does
[16:25] <locsmif> Defusal: place ! in second column
[16:26] <erespond> hix
[16:26] <erespond> anybody can help
[16:26] <erespond> ?
[16:26] <locsmif> erespond: probably
[16:26] <locsmif> I see 1500 people ready to help.
[16:26] <erespond> am need downloag google book locsmif
[16:26] <locsmif> Oh boy.
[16:26] <locsmif> erespond: that's best left to #web
[16:26] <erespond> am need download google book, am used ubuntu 10.10 any app you recomend for me locs
[16:26] <Defusal> locsmif, ok cool
[16:27] <sandstrom> I've got some problems with `procps` which blows up anytime I try to use apt-get, e.g. `apt-get autoremove`. http://pastie.org/3609145 Any thoughts on how to solve this?
[16:27] <erespond> locsmif, am have bad conection on my country, am need download the google book
[16:27] <erespond> am need some app for used it
[16:27] <locsmif> erespond: you know what: browse the book and take a snapshot of each page
[16:27] <locsmif> erespond: good luck
[16:28] <locsmif> erespond: there's no app to download google books, which are usually partially blocked anyway
[16:28] <erespond> locsmif, hkwekkwekwe kkwekwekwek that bad ide for me
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> sandstrom: what is the output of: lsb_release -sc
[16:28] <sandstrom> ActionParsnip: I'm on maverick
[16:29] <human> .
[16:30] <Guest44791> .
[16:30] <Lynd> .
[16:31] <Guest44791> ..
[16:31] <sandstrom> ActionParsnip: it looks similar to this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/procps/+bug/591580
[16:33] <humann> ...
[16:37] <ActionParsnip> sandstrom: maverick is EOL next month, I'd suggest you upgrade soon, may sidestep the issue
[16:37] <gogasan> trism: Thanks for help! There is new error :D Ill try to fix it by myself.
[16:38] <matthew85> I would like assistance setting up a network between oneiric and win7. I've been at it for 2 hours now with no success. I've done a lot of research but it just does not want to cooperate.
[16:39] <DX099> de
[16:39] <DX099> hello, I'm trying to reinstall gnome-shell from scratch, I even deleted my nvidia drivers for that
[16:40] <trism> gogasan: you're welcome, good luck, let me know if you need a hand
[16:40] <gogasan> Thanks :)
[16:40] <DX099> first things of, can someone tell me how to reset xorg.conf ?
[16:41] <DX099> I had to manually replace "nvidia" by "vesa", and I remember that Ubuntu was used to propose me automatically to do that when X would fail to launch
[16:41] <zykotic10> DX099: move it to xorg.conf.disabled ;)
[16:41] <DX099> ah
[16:42] <zykotic10> DX099: with nvidia you could run "sudo nvidia-xconfig" to regenerate a new one
[16:42] <ActionParsnip> DX099: sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
[16:42] <DX099> nvidia has been removed
[16:42] <DX099> for the sake of a clean gnome-shell install
[16:42] <zykotic10> DX099: right, sorry.  just move the xorg.conf file then
[16:42] <DX099> ok
[16:43] <DX099> so when there's no xorg.conf, It will regenerate itself ?
[16:43] <zykotic10> DX099: no, but it's not required
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> in most cases
[16:43] <DX099> ok
[16:43] <DX099> so now I reboot
[16:43] <genii-around> !xorgconf
[16:46] <luca> 6o676
[16:47] <luca> ciao
[16:48] <luca__> ciao
[16:49] <GirlyGirl> Is it possible to use Voice recognision and Text to speach to use im like WLM on a car PC so that I can chat while on the move? KDE friendly solution preferrably
[16:50] <DX099> there I am
[16:50] <DX099> however, direct rendering is still on. Is it normal ?
[16:50] <webnet> GirlyGirl, you wowuld need internet access for it the whole time. how do you plan to tackle that?
[16:50] <GirlyGirl> webnet: That's already solved
[16:50] <balthazar> hi all
[16:51] <webnet> GirlyGirl, ok cool
[16:51] <balthazar> what is this prosvc process i find a **lot** please ?  is it safe to remove..?
[16:51] <maxagaz> ow to use gawk instead of mawk ?
[16:51] <zykotic10> DX099: i'd check "lspci -vnvn" find the VGA section, and see that "Kernel driver in use:" is nouveau and not nvidia
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> GirlyGirl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_speech_recognition_software
[16:51] <webnet> balthazar, what version of ubuntu?
[16:51] <webnet> and what DE?
[16:52] <balthazar> webnet Ubuntu 11.10
[16:52] <balthazar> webnet it's a dedicated server.
[16:53] <istevenmon> hi guys, i want to implement a wireless mesh network, would olsrd do the trick for me?
[16:54] <istevenmon> or what would you guys recommend?
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> istevenmon: sounds good
[16:54] <istevenmon> ActionParsnip: if i have 4 nodes, it would mantain routing tables and stuff if a node goes down right?
[16:54] <DX099> zykotic10: There's no such a line as the one you mentionned, however, there's this :
[16:55] <itatitat> ey guys
[16:55] <DX099> 	Kernel modules: nouveau, nvidiafb
[16:55] <itatitat> ey guys
[16:55] <itatitat> I've a problem with a remote connection by SSH using Ubuntu server
[16:55] <zykotic10> DX099: strange, i don't even have "Kernel modules:" line?  different versions of lspci maybe?
[16:55] <itatitat> someone can tell me if ssh server is installed and ran by default?
[16:56] <itatitat> or maybe in the server I need to install and run the server?
[16:56] <webnet> balthazar, ok. it belongs to a software package called puppet
[16:56] <blue112> Hello here
[16:56] <zykotic10> DX099: BUT, the fact you don't see "nvidia" means the propritary driver isn't in use
[16:56] <blue112> I'm having trouble installing ubuntu from my usb key, after grub I only have black screen
[16:56] <mneptok> itatitat: it is optional
[16:56] <webnet> !info puppet | balthazar
[16:57] <zykotic10> !nomodeset | blue112
[16:57] <blue112> zykotic10, I'm testing, thanks
[16:57] <AudreyJean> Hello.  I am using Ubuntu 10.10 and would like to upgrade so I can use LibreOffice (it freezes up my system in 10.10.  Would it be better to do a fresh install or will an udate work correctly.  I am fairly new to Ubuntu.  Thanks.
[16:57] <shaneo> AudreyJean, update should be fine
[16:58] <DX099> there are "Kernel driver in use" for other sections, as well as "Kernel modules" lines, however, there's no "Kernel driver in use" line for the vga section
[16:58] <AudreyJean> shaneo: thank you
[16:58] <shaneo> AudreyJean, np
[16:59] <mneptok> AudreyJean: from a terminal - sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo do-release-upgrade
[16:59] <shaneo> AudreyJean, have you tried gnome 3
[16:59] <zykotic10> DX099: i wouldn't worry about it - you aren't using nvidia-propritary, so we found what we wanted
[16:59] <DX099> so what should I do now ?
[16:59] <blue112> seems to work zykotic10, thanks !
[16:59] <DX099> Install nvidia-current or gnome shell in first ?
[16:59] <shaneo> AudreyJean, cause you may wanna stay on 10.10 if you dont like the change in interface
[16:59] <zykotic10> DX099: ?, you're running the show
[16:59] <mneptok> AudreyJean: you will need to go from 10.10 to 11.04 to 11.10
[16:59] <AudreyJean> mneptok:  Thank you very much!
[17:00] <AudreyJean> shaneo:  I do not know what gnome 3 is.
[17:00] <balthazar> webnet: hoo ok thx
[17:01] <shaneo> AudreyJean, Its the new ubuntu interface google it before updating your desktop will be completely different
[17:01] <DX099> zykotic10: Ok gnome-shell is installed but won't run, nothing wrong
[17:01] <mneptok> balthazar: is this hardware you own?
[17:01] <AudreyJean> shaneo:  Thanks.  Will do.  Gotta get back to work but you all have been very helpful.
[17:02] <DX099> zykotic10, then now I'm installing nvidia
[17:02] <shaneo> AudreyJean, np and have a nice day
[17:02] <zykotic10> DX099: sorry i don't have any gnome-shell suggestions (i don't use it).  Plus, generally reinstalling stuff won't help on gnu/linux...
[17:02] <balthazar> mneptok: no it's a server i rent.
[17:02] <DX099> : /
[17:02] <itatitat> tahnk you /mneptok
[17:02] <DX099> zykotic10, so it's no use ? thanks anyway
[17:02] <balthazar> exit
[17:03] <balthazar> need to go  ;)
[17:03] <balthazar> thanks mneptok webnet  :)
[17:03] <zykotic10> DX099: well, it's worth a try - your part way done already
[17:03] <kapz> help restoring data from a external hdd with ext4 partition...damn usb creator erased the entire disk! please anyone
[17:04] <ActionParsnip> kapz: use backup
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> kapz: or try foremost, the data that has been overwritten is gone unless you have a backup
[17:05] <kapz> ActionParsnip: can backup restore from an erased drive?
[17:05] <kapz> I never created backup
[17:05] <ActionParsnip> kapz: why is there no backup?
[17:06] <kapz> ActionParsnip: its a external drive with loads of movies and my pics...was too big to make backup...
[17:06] <kapz> Anyways what are my options now?
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> kapz: what if the drive motor fails and no amount of sftware will get the stuff back. Where is your data?
[17:07] <ivan__> I'm running Xubuntu 10. How do I upgrade to 11.04
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> kapz: foremost may help but the data that has been overwritten is 100% gone
[17:07] <wylde> kapz: odds are if you let the entire process continue before you realized, and portion of the disk that got re-written to will be impossible to restore old data from.
[17:07] <ActionParsnip> !upgrade | ivan__
[17:07] <wylde> and = any
[17:08] <ThinkT510> !upgrade | ivan__
[17:08] <ivan__> 10x
[17:08] <davividal> hi all. I've used Remote Desktop Viewer to work on a windows server. Now, my client is complaining about my bill. Is there some log which says how many hours I spent logged in some session?
[17:08] <ActionParsnip> why does nobody have a backup these days....
[17:09] <kapz> wylde: Well it happened just 5 mins ago so I havent overwritten anything as of now...also disk had partitions but now it's showing a single drive...and it happened pretty quick so I think inode/index is replaced(?)
[17:09] <locsmif> Has that external hdd disappearance kernel bug been fixed yet?
[17:09] <kapz> thanks ActionParsnip will try foremost
[17:09] <wylde> ActionParsnip: any old pc I retire becomes the newest home network backup server :)
[17:10] <locsmif> I have to reboot again right now because of this stupidity. Ubuntu kernel 3.2.0
[17:10] <kapz> btw USB disk creator program should be removed from ubuntu repos....its worthless
[17:11] <wylde> kapz: if the partiotns were removed and a new one created, most likely you won't be able to recover much if anything. Unless you have a few thousand dollars to send the disk to a data recovery lab, heh
[17:11] <kapz> :(
[17:12] <wylde> kapz: only sure fire way is make regular backups. Sounds like a hassle, but compared to recovering/recreating years of data, it's not that big of a hassle :)
[17:14] <kapz> I am doomed...lost....kicked in the butt of my heart.....eff u usb disk creator
[17:14] <trirnoth> Hello all. Just copied my main OS drive to a larger drive. DD then GParted. Booting fine. However, when I view the properties of the drive in disk utility, it shows space avail to create a new partition of 18446744064.709 GB.
[17:14] <ccmonster> hey guys, I did the update to 12.04 beta. This morning I did another apt-get update and it hung while trying to update a handful of packages. Now I'm getting all sorts of wacky errors
[17:15] <trirnoth> And no, this is not a holographic drive. Standard WD 500 GB.
[17:15] <ccmonster> now its saying update manager closed due to a key error
[17:15] <dorgan> ok so all of a sudden our outgoing bandwidth on our server has climbed significantly like serving 215GB a month to serving 7,688.81 GB since March 11
[17:15] <dorgan> i've run a chkrootkit and that dint turn up any results
[17:15] <trirnoth> Really curious how it made a mess of the total size.
[17:15] <dorgan> so does anyone know if there is a way i can start tracking this down?
[17:16] <CharminTheMoose> What does upstart-udev-bridge actually do?
[17:17] <itaylor57> !precise | ccmonster
[17:18] <zykotic10> ActionParsnip: "why does nobody have a backup these days...." people who care about there data do ;)
[17:19] <Benxyzzy> I've shared a folder in nautilus and devices on my local network can access it. Is it exposed to the internet (via my home router) in any way?
[17:19] <wylde> Benxyzzy: only if you forwarded a port through the router.
[17:20] <Benxyzzy> wylde: OK, does UPNP come into it? Presumably without the port forwarding my router just ignores any requests
[17:21] <kapz> eff god....
[17:21] <adom> need nerd answers: if you had to pick one website as a staple of end-user (easy to read/understand for non-nerds) information about cyber/internet security information, what would it be?
[17:22] <wylde> Benxyzzy: same thing, upnp "should" only be available on your internal network. Your router "should" explicitly require being configured to pass that to the internet
[17:22] <jrib> !ot | adom
[17:22] <jackyyll> so im having some problems with my new ubuntu installation. i just installed it (ubuntu server) and changed the interfaces file to use a static IP. Now, it's been going down periodically and apparently (from what i can tell from /var/log/syslog) trying to request a DHCP lease. Anyone have any idea why this is happening?
[17:22] <adom> fair enough
[17:22] <Benxyzzy> wylde: OK, thanks for your help. I need to read up on routing & my router in particular
[17:23] <zykotic10> jackyyll: can you pastebin you interfaces file?
[17:23] <jackyyll> yup
[17:23] <wylde> Benxyzzy: no problem, the manual for your router is best place to start for sure. :)
[17:23] <jackyyll> zykotic10: http://pastie.org/private/5ux2gzyzrttxxcxkok8ow
[17:24] <gulzar> http://universolinux.wordpress.com/2007/10/07/avant-window-navigator-mejorando/
[17:24] <DX099> hello, can some french people here take me in pm ? can't access french channel, it says my ip has been banned...
[17:24] <zykotic10> jackyyll: looks good to me?  that should disable N-M which i'm told is on server (for reasons i can't understand)
[17:24] <gulzar> anyone knows which sreenshot is on this pae http://universolinux.wordpress.com/2007/10/07/avant-window-navigator-mejorando/ ?
[17:24] <jackyyll> zykotic10: what is N-M
[17:24] <zykotic10> jackyyll: Network Manager
[17:25] <ActionParsnip> DX099: i'd ask in #ubuntu-ops about the ban
[17:25] <DX099> no use, most likely because it's a vpn
[17:25] <jackyyll> zykotic10: i see. I'm not really sure what happens. it went down last night and i left it that way, then it just went down again a few minutes ago
[17:26] <jackyyll> the networking appears to go down, and then it tries to request DHCP
[17:26] <jackyyll> (successfully)
[17:26] <Mongoose> what controls,,e.g. ctrl z, to resize browser?
[17:26] <jackyyll> i do see this in my ps aux "dhclient3 -e IF_METRIC=100 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
[17:26] <jackyyll> "
[17:27] <DX099> the problem is I removed a large scale of packages, and it seems that the ones reponsible for dependencies problem are still there, when I run "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop", It says it can't install because some "defectives" packages are in "keep in state" mode or something like that
[17:29] <DX099> however, apt-get check does not mention any problematic package...
[17:30] <denysonique> Is there a way to have the application menu in the Unity panel to not  hide?
[17:30] <denysonique> Right now to reveal the menu we need to mouseover it...
[17:31] <ActionParsnip> denysonique: use myunity or ccsm and set it how you wish
[17:31] <denysonique> ActionParsnip: Thank you
[17:31] <erkan^> hi, when is upgrade to Thunderbird 11 ?
[17:32] <Captain_Proton> DX099, sudo dpkg-reconfigure-a
[17:32] <denysonique> ActionParsnip: actually
[17:32] <denysonique> in CCSM there is no such option
[17:32] <Captain_Proton> DX099, then run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop --reinstall
[17:32] <DX099> Captain_Proton, thanks I'm trying right now
[17:33] <ActionParsnip> denysonique: in the unity plugin part. i suggest you install myunity
[17:34] <helpanoob> need help what should i use to make a full back up of apps and sources list i have as of now
[17:36] <MonkeyDust> !backup
[17:37] <dirtybirdnj> Hello... I just got Ubunut installed on a machine to use for local LAMP development
[17:37] <dirtybirdnj> internet worked fine out of the box, but suddenly stopped working
[17:37] <dirtybirdnj> it appears the machine is using the same IP as one of our printers
[17:37] <DX099> Captain_Proton, It didn't work... apt is still complaining about bad packages being in some mode that's preventing me to reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[17:38] <dirtybirdnj> and the "edit connections" panel won't let me manually set an IP address
[17:38] <denysonique> ActionParsnip: nope, there is no such option
[17:38] <SaRSAeOL> dirtybirdnj: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces to set a new static ip
[17:38] <blue112> I've installed ubuntu successfully, but now on boot, I just have a blinking cursor on black screen... What can I do ?
[17:39] <jrib> DX099: have you pastebinn full and complete apt output (and your commands) somewhere?
[17:40] <dirtybirdnj> SaRSAeOL: I opened the file with vi... there are two lines "auto lo" and "iface lo inet loopback"
[17:41] <SaRSAeOL> dirtybirdnj: you will have to add config lines for your interface… most likely eth0 or eth1
[17:41] <encrypt> hi everybody
[17:42] <encrypt> have an issue with wireless, can anybody pls provide a CLI command to connect to a network with iwconfig??
[17:42] <SaRSAeOL> dirtybirdnj: http://pastebin.com/QBXuQfv4
[17:42] <MonkeyDust> dirtybirdnj  add something similar to this http://paste.ubuntu.com/886616/
[17:42] <dirtybirdnj> thank you very much guys
[17:42] <SaRSAeOL> MonkeyDust: :
[17:42] <SaRSAeOL> )
[17:42] <SaRSAeOL> :)
[17:43] <MonkeyDust> SaRSAeOL  was faster :)
[17:43] <davividal> I've used Remote Desktop Viewer to work on a windows server. Now, my client is complaining about my bill. Is there some log which says how many hours I spent logged in some session?
[17:44] <dirtybirdnj> Do I need to remove those two lines that are there already? the ones about  lo?
[17:44] <MonkeyDust> dirtybirdnj  no
[17:44] <dirtybirdnj> awesome thank you very much
[17:44] <encrypt> hi, nm-applet is not working and am trying to connect to a WEP network with iwconfig, can anybody help pls
[17:44] <iceroot> encrypt: imo its a common bug on 12.04
[17:45] <locsmif> I just ran fsck.ext4 on my external hdd from LiveCD. I checked for bad blocks. It goes to 100% without error and then says: /dev/sdf1: Updating bad block inode.
[17:45] <locsmif> What does this imply?
[17:45] <encrypt> iceroot: yeeaah but how can i get it back?? only have wireless connection and without the applet i cannot run any upgrades
[17:45] <locsmif> Do I have bad blocks or not?
[17:46] <blue112> I've installed ubuntu successfully, but now on boot, I just have a blinking cursor on black screen... What can I do ?
[17:46] <encrypt> iceroot: left in the middle of nowhere between 11.10 and 12.04
[17:47] <UrB> blue112: press CTRL+ALT+F1, login and try to see if relevant logs hold any clues
[17:47] <blue112> UrB, it happens before grub I think, then I don't have either ctrl alt F1 or sysreqkeys
[17:47] <UrB> oh
[17:47] <UrB> then it's out of my league - good luck :)
[17:48] <dirtybirdnj> ok so I edited my /etc/network/interfaces file, but when I do ifconfig | grep inet I am still seeing the old ip address
[17:48] <encrypt> iceroot: pls, what d u mean by 'imo'?
[17:48] <Mkaysi> imo = in my opinion
[17:48] <encrypt> ok
[17:48] <MonkeyDust> dirtybirdnj  restart the network or your pc
[17:48] <zykotic10> dirtybirdnj: ifdown then ifup the interface
[17:48] <blue112> any other help ? I'm kinda stuck :/
[17:49] <MonkeyDust> dirtybirdnj  try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[17:50] <dirtybirdnj> I just gave the box  restart, I will try that if the restart didn't do the trick
[17:50] <dirtybirdnj> I am just happy this ip conflict didn't mess up the ability of users to print
[17:51] <Mike9863> Does anyone know if it's possible to have Mac like scrollbars, as in ones that do not not show unless you are scrolling and when they do show, it's just a dark and slightly transparent rounded rectangular bar?
[17:51] <DX099> jrib, I fought to do it with w3m, since no browser is reachable at the moment, it was quite a struggle from a terminal. However, as I explained earlier, it's in french "www.paste2.org/1942509"
[17:52] <l2osati> Is there a way to get information on a package via the terminal before downloading it with apt-get? Like a short description of the package?
[17:52] <MonkeyDust> l2osati  apt-cache policy or apt-cache show
[17:52] <waxstone> blue112, hold shift while booting
[17:52] <blue112> waxstone, I've tried, it doesn't do anything
[17:52] <jrib> DX099: that link 404s here.  Prefix your command with LANGUAGE=C LANG=C to deal with the french issue
[17:53] <l2osati> MonkeyDust: Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for!
[17:53] <waxstone> blue112, what version of ubuntu did you install?
[17:53] <blue112> waxstone, 11.10
[17:53] <blue112> 64 bits
[17:53] <wolfmitch|work> For some reason, after using dd to setup chrome OS on a USB drive, the USB won't mount anymore, only the swap partition on it.
[17:53] <webnet> !pae
[17:53] <wolfmitch|work> On Ubuntu 11.10
[17:53] <balaji_> My 10.4 was not booting after tinkering much, found that there was lesser space in / removed some files and now booting. Please guide how to remove log files - where to find them etc.
[17:54] <waxstone> blue112, try shift again, press multiple times. in some instances esc will work but it is definitely shift
[17:54] <blue112> Mkay waxstone I'm trying
[17:55] <blue112> waxstone, spamming shift does nothing
[17:55] <waxstone> blue112, are you press the left shift or the right?
[17:55] <blue112> left
[17:55] <blue112> spamming esc does just a slight buzz in my computer, but nothing on screen.
[17:56] <waxstone> boot to live cd then
[17:56] <lahwran> !pae
[17:56] <blue112> Okay
[17:56] <HorizonXP> hi, i'm running into this bug:
[17:56] <HorizonXP> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cyrus-sasl2/+bug/875440
[17:56] <HorizonXP> and I tried what was suggested in this comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cyrus-sasl2/+bug/875440/comments/34
[17:57] <HorizonXP> but I'm still encountering the error....
[17:57] <HorizonXP> any ideas?
[17:57] <DX099> jrib, still in french...
[17:57] <jrib> DX099: if you pastebin your command and output I can tell you what to do
[17:57] <blue112> waxstone, I have to boot with nomodeset for the livecd to work, maybe it's related
[17:58] <DX099> jrib, my bad, misstroke
[17:58] <blue112> waxstone, ok, I'm in there.
[17:58] <K350> Could anyone recommend a good - text based - senet client?
[17:58] <waxstone> blue112, it is, but you cant reach grub menu thats the problem now
[17:58] <blue112> Yeah
[17:58] <blue112> waxstone, live cd booted, anyway.
[17:58] <wolfmitch|work> waxstone: Did you try holding shift on startup?
[17:58] <waxstone>    edit /etc/default/grub
[17:59] <blue112> waxstone, of my installed partition or of the livecd ?
[17:59] <waxstone> wolfmitch|work, he tried holding shift
[17:59] <waxstone> blue112, the partition
[18:00] <blue112> waxstone, ok, I'm in the file
[18:00] <HorizonXP> help guys?
[18:00] <HorizonXP> any ideas on how I can fix sasl and postfix?
[18:00] <waxstone> blue112, set GRUB_COMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[18:01] <blue112> I've already done thatr
[18:01] <blue112> -r
[18:01] <waxstone> blue112, when?
[18:01] <blue112> Few minutes ago before asking on this channel.
[18:01] <waxstone> blue112, anything there besides nomodeset?
[18:02] <blue112> waxstone, quiet splash
[18:02] <waxstone> blue112, so presently it is "quiet splash nomodeset"?
[18:02] <ksbalaji> This gimpswap is eating away my wee-little HDD. How to limit this please?
[18:02] <blue112> waxstone, yeah.
[18:03] <waxstone> blue112, try "nomodeset"
[18:03] <blue112> ok
[18:03] <blue112> anything else ?
[18:03] <waxstone> save reboot
[18:04] <blue112> shouldn't I update-grub or something ?
[18:04] <gemb> what is the best jabber/xmpp client for terminal?
[18:04] <line47> hey everyone! I've just started developing a search engine. Can anybody suggest the most suitable language(s) for speed and performance.
[18:04] <waxstone> blue112, test one thing at a time
[18:04] <blue112> line47, C
[18:05] <blue112> waxstone, will my /etc/default/grub will be applied if I don't update the /boot/grub/grub.cfg with update-grub :/ ?
[18:05] <waxstone> blue112, true!! =P
[18:06] <lewowpard> hewow room
[18:06] <mcb_> Line47: I also vote for C
[18:06] <DX099> hmm how do i view current url with w3m ?
[18:07] <Pici> DX099: U shoudl bring up the equivilant of the address bar.
[18:07] <blue112> Ok, I'll try again
[18:07] <DX099> thanks
[18:08] <bobby> по Русски тут гворят?
[18:08] <Pici> !ru | bobby
[18:08] <bobby> join #ubuntu-ru
[18:08] <DX099> jrib, http://paste2.org/p/1942522
[18:09] <blue112> waxstone, doesn't change a thing, even with spamming Shift
[18:09] <somedude> can i ask question about lubuntu or is there another channel for that
[18:10] <waxstone> blue112, ok, im out of ideas
[18:10] <blue112> so do I :(
[18:10] <genii-around> somedude: They do have their own channel
[18:11] <Jonta> Troubleshooting for completely black prints from a PDF? I think it's the file that's the problem. The printer does a testpage OK, and got the same result in Mac OS X.
[18:12] <MadsRC> Ain't this just plain annoying... I've finally assenbled an old pc into a server, got the cooling working and made a boot cd from Ubuntu Server, located a power plug and an old PS2 keyboard... 2 hours of work and the result is: I can't find my damn VGA cable... So no way for me to install it... and all shops are closed :S
[18:13] <jrib> DX099: and your input?
[18:13] <locsmif> Jonta: hmmm
[18:13] <DX099> jrib, sorry : "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop (--reinstall)"
[18:13] <DX099> same output anyway
[18:13] <locsmif> Jonta: try to covert to ghostscript and then print
[18:14] <jrib> DX099: and some background about the situation (I probably missed it earlier)?
[18:14] <Jonta> locsmif: Thanks. Trying…
[18:15] <magma> how can I create a custom launcher for an sh script?
[18:15] <zykotic10> magma: using "gnome-terminal -e /path/to/script" might work
[18:15] <pfifo> magma, yes, make sure your script is +x and begins with #!/bin/bash
[18:16] <DX099> jrib, clean 11.10 install, gnome-shell installed from gnome3team ppa, never worked. So uninstalled it, but some packages would seem to be remaining from ppa. So I'm trying to remove them. But it seems even after having removed almost everything on the system, those packages are still there...
[18:16] <blue112> I've installed ubuntu successfully, but now on boot, I just have a blinking cursor on black screen... Spamming shift doesn't show anything. Any help ?
[18:16] <jrib> DX099: I'm not familiar with that ppa's structure.  But did you use ppa-purge?
[18:17] <MadsRC> blue112 anything happen if you do alt+f1?
[18:17] <blue112> MadsRC, nothing. Sysreqkeys aren't working either
[18:17] <DX099> jrib, didn't knew of that. I only removed ppa from sources list
[18:17] <starter> Hi, I have beaglebone and I would like to have ubuntu running on it. Can someone tell me what image I should upload to the SD card on beaglebone?
[18:17] <MadsRC> That's wierd blue112 :S Can't help there :(
[18:18] <genii-around> !arm
[18:18] <jrib> DX099: pastebin: apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop chebox-gtk libgail-common
[18:18] <DX099> jrib, ut at least, that seems to install flawlessly (ppa-puge package that is)
[18:18] <morthland> howdy
[18:19] <morthland> I have a question
[18:20] <starter> what is the difference between omap3 and omap4?
[18:20] <morthland> I need to install software centre to 10.10 and cannot figure it out. I have installed a distribution that has not included it.
[18:20] <jrib> DX099: yes, looking at the ppa my guess is that you now have later versions of packages that don't exist in the official repositories so your dependencies for packages in the default repositories can't be satisfied.  ppa-purge should attempt to downgrade these packages that are still installed from the ppa
[18:21] <jrib> morthland: what distribution?  This channel is for ubuntu support
[18:21] <morthland> sorry,
[18:21] <morthland> it is ubuntu
[18:21] <morthland> 10.10
[18:21] <DX099> jrib, ok, i'm giving you the output and the I'll try ppa-purge
[18:21] <morthland> but it is the koha-live cd
[18:21] <jrib> morthland: ubuntu includes software center though.
[18:21] <morthland> it is stripped down
[18:22] <DX099> jrib, http://paste2.org/p/1942537
[18:22] <starter> what is the difference between the distribution and ubuntu?
[18:22] <jrib> morthland: then you should seek support in their irc channel/forums as we aren't familiar with it
[18:22] <morthland> it is really only applicable here,
[18:22] <morthland> it is still functional as ubuntu
[18:22] <morthland> for example,
[18:23] <morthland> I got this by: "sudo apt-get install xchat"
[18:23] <morthland> what is software center
[18:23] <jrib> morthland: no, it's not.  We can't support unofficial derivatives here.  You will get better support in the channel for your distribution
[18:23] <morthland> what is software centre's name?
[18:24] <Nach0z> morthland: the name? you mean the name of the package manager or the actual command-line command to bring it up?
[18:25] <matthew85> I am able to see my Oneiric shares from Win7, but I am not able to see my Win7 shares from Oneiric. Can someone help me figure this out?
[18:25] <morthland> the command line command
[18:26] <morthland> the package name
[18:26] <morthland> so i can
[18:26] <morthland> "sudo apt-get install ubuntusoftwarecentre" for example
[18:26] <Nach0z> morthland: ahhhh
[18:26] <jrib> morthland: in ubuntu the name of both the package and binary is software-center
[18:26] <Nach0z> software-center
[18:27] <DX099> jrib, do I have to do something special before using ppa-purge ? "Warning: Could not find package list for PPA: gnome3-team ppa"
[18:27] <Nach0z> yeah what jrib said XD
[18:27] <pfifo> !info synaptic maverick | morthland
[18:27] <jrib> DX099: you probably need to re-add the ppa to your sources.list.  I've never used the program myself
[18:27] <morthland> ok
[18:27] <morthland> fantastic
[18:28] <morthland> thankyou
[18:28] <morthland> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[18:28] <morthland>  software-center : Depends: gir1.2-glib-2.0 but it is not installable
[18:28] <morthland>                    Depends: python-aptdaemon (>= 0.40) but 0.31+bzr506-0ubuntu6.1 is to be installed
[18:28] <morthland>                    Depends: gir1.2-gmenu-3.0 (>= 3.1.5) but it is not installable
[18:28] <morthland>                    Depends: aptdaemon (>= 0.40) but 0.31+bzr506-0ubuntu6.1 is to be installed
[18:28] <FloodBot1> morthland: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:28] <morthland>                    Depends: oneconf (>= 0.2.6) but it is not going to be installed
[18:29] <nick> hey
[18:29] <pfifo> morthland, install ubuntu and it will work
[18:29] <nick> anyboy there??
[18:29] <morthland> I see this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/886689/
[18:30] <Guest63481> reply guys
[18:30] <Guest63481> i need some help!
[18:30] <epaphus1> How could i install chrome in ubuntu?
[18:30] <Guest63481> type chrome directly in google
[18:30] <pfifo> epaphus1, sudo apt-get install chromium-browser
[18:30] <Jonta> locsmif: Further hints? Can't seem to find a way to convert to ghostprint
[18:30] <Guest63481> youll be provided with the link
[18:30] <epaphus1> pfifo, thanks
[18:30] <DX099> jrib, I just re-added it and apt-get update but ppa-purge still don't find package list
[18:30] <Guest63481> anytime
[18:32] <starter> I want ubuntu run on my beaglebone. It has AM3359 processor. what SD image do I need to download?
[18:33] <robertius> Hi there, I'm a relative Linux novice so please excuse both my brevity and apparent ineptitude. I normally dual boot win7 and ubuntu 11.10. Normally because it's my uncle's pc it boots windows first. Since I did an apt-get update & upgrade today something has happened to grub and now it wont let me make win7 the default.
[18:33] <robertius> While I realise that's kinda kewl from a linux perspective it's not for my uncle. so has anyone else experienced this and can anyone tell me how to sort out grub?
[18:33] <DX099> jrib, ah I got it working, bad command syntax, ><
[18:34] <epaphus1> Does silverlight function with google chrome in ubuntu?
[18:34] <robertius> I've tried startup-manager the gui tool that apparently sorts the grub menu out for you. It seems to think it's got win 7 selected as default boot but it's not working
[18:34] <robertius> I've also tried boot-repair.
[18:34] <pfifo> robertius, that behavior can be changed by modifying the line "GRUB_DEFAULT" in /etc/default/grub and then running `sudo update-grub`
[18:35] <DX099> marwan008, thx, I'll reverse engineer it later
[18:35] <bad_pitt>  Hi, does anyone have any experience with setting up a LUKS encrypted system using a usb keyfile at boot??
[18:36] <robertius> pfifo, thanks I'll give it a go. and report back to you with thanks if it works :)
[18:36] <DX099> marwan008, vnc ? meterpreter ? remote shell ?
[18:36] <pfifo> !anyone | bad_pitt
[18:37] <robertius> pfifo, ah right I see it in there. but I don't know what I should change it to.
[18:37] <robertius> It's currently reading GRUB_DEFAULT=6
[18:37] <robertius> is that menu entry 6? or partition /dev/sda6 or something?
[18:38] <pfifo> robertius, youll have to boot to grub and count the entries, the top line is 0
[18:38] <robertius> ah so it's like a zero-indexed array in a programming language.
[18:38] <robertius> right thankys.. let's give this a go.
[18:38] <pfifo> robertius, yes, if windows it the top entry change it to 0, if its the bottome enyrt count how many there are and subtract 1
[18:39] <robertius> This appears to be at odds to what's actually happenning though. In the grub boot menu on startup the first entry is ubuntu... and windows 7 is about 6th or 7th down the list so it seems the file is reflecting what SHOULD be happening but not in effect what IS happening. This is most disturbing.
[18:39] <matthew85> when ever I try to access my win 7 shares from oneiric I get the error "unable to mount location, failed to retrieve share list from server"
[18:39] <matthew85> but I can see my ubuntu shares from windows just fine
[18:39] <bad_pitt> pfifo: do you?
[18:40] <zykotic10> robertius: have you run "sudo update-grub" since making the change?
[18:40] <pfifo> robertius, the run `sudo update-grub` it appears that it just needs updated
[18:40] <robertius> zykotic10, yes and here's the result
[18:40] <pfifo> bad_pitt, I am an expert with LUKS
[18:40] <robertius> Generating grub.cfg ...
[18:40] <robertius> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-16-generic
[18:40] <robertius> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-16-generic
[18:40] <robertius> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.0.0-12-generic
[18:40] <robertius> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.0.0-12-generic
[18:40] <FloodBot1> robertius: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:40] <darrenlooby> hello there - I want to create a user on my system, that has next to no priv. I would like it to log in, have access to only its own folder - and then pull git repos
[18:40] <darrenlooby> Any tips?
[18:40] <robertius> dang flood protection :) lOL
[18:41] <robertius> pfifo, right I'll give that a go and reboot. fingers crossed. zykotic10 thanks also
[18:41] <metaph> robertius: if you have too menu entries in grub, try to delete old kernel, as it gets stored in the configuration file and you can actually boot your system with that old kernel
[18:41] <webnet> robertius, use pastebin.com
[18:41] <pfifo> zykotic10, i though it was usually zykotic9
[18:41] <webnet> pfifo, ur right!
[18:41] <robertius> webnet, yeah I know to use those sites but I didn't think it would count 7 short lines as a flood LOL
[18:42] <gandhijee_> hey is there away to print to my network printer from the shell?
[18:42] <robertius> metaph thanks for the heads-up.
[18:42] <webnet> robertius, yeah thats weird. my chans are 10 or more
[18:42] <metaph> np
[18:42] <webnet> thats how i set my bots
[18:43] <robertius> I suppose with such a high volume channel such as this and with the amount of asinine chatter they have to have stricter rules imposed on the flood criteria.
[18:43] <Galicja> hello!
[18:43] <metaph> how can i get my nm-applet back?? its badly dead and cannot connect to wireless networks!
[18:43] <pfifo> robertius, its pastes over 3 lines as the rule of thumb on most of freenode
[18:43] <Jonta> metaph: Run nm-applet
[18:44] <Jonta> Via terminal
[18:44] <robertius> pfifo, noted
[18:44] <metaph> Jonta: tried several times, but throws endless lines of some px deprecated
[18:44] <robertius> right I'm procrastinating here and I cannot hold off any longer I must reboot this abomination...
[18:44] <Jonta> metaph: "px"?
[18:44] <robertius> in order to assess the fruits of my labour.
[18:45] <robertius> fare thee well comrades, brothers in arms.
[18:45] <Galicja> Just manually compiled and installed the latest Linux Kernel from source. ;)    uname -a:   Linux Karpaty 3.3.0-rc7-git-0c4d067-EJM-CUSTOM #1 Fri Mar 16 14:07:54 CET 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[18:46] <metaph> Jonta: cant remember exactly but there was something deprecated for sure :p
[18:46] <Jonta> metaph: Bring it back, then google.
[18:46] <oCean> Jonta: don't send others to google please
[18:47] <metaph> Jonta: im not on that partition right now, thats the problem. without the applet cannot connect to the internet, cannot look for any workaround!
[18:47] <Jonta> oCean: Must've been a while ago since I've read the guidelines. Will do.
[18:47] <chucky_luciano> hello...  i am using ubuntu 10.04 and am having a major problem...  i started up my computer and gnome was not available in the list of sessions at the bottem, only xterm and xbmc...  i need to know how to get the gnome option back.   the i had to select xterm and then o it let me open nautilus from the xterm window and i browserd to chromium and thats how i am in this channel now.  can someone please help me?  it would be muc
[18:48] <Jonta> chucky_luciano: Tried installing GNOME?
[18:48] <metaph> Jonat: is there a way to run nm-applet in debug mode_
[18:48] <chucky_luciano> Jonta:  like apt-get install gnome?
[18:48] <Jonta> chucky_luciano: Mm
[18:48] <Jonta> metaph: Don't know. Hang on…
[18:50] <machiolate> how would I run a .cso in ubuntu ?
[18:50] <Jonta> metaph: Doesn't look like it from a quick search.
[18:50] <metaph> Jonta: it doesnt
[18:50] <chucky_luciano> Jonta: i would need to open another terminal window first as this one is being used for chromium and nautilus...  do you know where i need to browse to in nautilus to open a terminal"?
[18:51] <chucky_luciano> nvm i found gnome terminal
[18:51] <dbugger> Hi guys. Is there any good tool to check the free space of all my partitions? Sort of what you get when you open "My PC" in windows
[18:52] <haz3lnut> dbugger: df
[18:52] <zykotic10> dbugger: "df -h" in terminal is one option
[18:52] <Jonta> dbugger: Graphical: filelight
[18:53] <chucky_luciano> Jonta: what i dont get is that i had gnome the last time i was on my computer, and this time it is gone...  also, i just tried 'sudo apt-get install gnome' and it said The following packages have unmet dependencies:   gnome: Depends: swfdec-mozilla but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages
[18:53] <chucky_luciano> maybe i can try synaptic
[18:53] <dbugger> wow, filelight is 175MB o_O
[18:53] <Jonta> chucky_luciano: I'd try meeting the dependencies (:
[18:54] <bandroidx> hi, how can i programmatically set a password for a user in ubuntu
[18:54] <haz3lnut> dbugger: disk usage analyzer
[18:54] <haz3lnut> dbugger: already installed
[18:54] <bandroidx> i am trying usermod -p 'dfsdfsd!!\\' username
[18:54] <bandroidx> but usermod -p says it needs a crypt password
[18:54] <bandroidx> and passwd for ubuntu doesnt support --stdin flag :(
[18:54] <chucky_luciano> Jonta: could you tell me how to meet the dependencies?
[18:54] <dbugger> haz3lnut, the problem is it doesnt categorize in partitions
[18:54] <Jonta> (afaik, "Disk Usage Analyzer" is the same as filelight)
[18:55] <MrJW> Help! My Ubuntu 10.10 audio is scratchy. I use a SoundBlaster ZS Audigy 2, Logitech Mx530 5.1 surround sound and PulseAudio I believe. I'm not a Linux guru but I've been using it off and on for the past 16 years
[18:55] <Jonta> chucky_luciano: Somehow install swfdec-mozilla ?
[18:55] <haz3lnut> dbugger: df  or df -h
[18:55] <starter> what ubuntu image is suitable for beaglebone?
[18:56] <haz3lnut> dbugger: disk-utility will tell you one by one
[18:56] <chucky_luciano> thanks junta
[18:56] <bhb192> what is the appropriate channel for discussions about precise?
[18:56] <chucky_luciano> i think it is going to work now
[18:56] <starter> please someone helps me
[18:56] <oCean> bhb192: #ubuntu+1
[18:57] <bhb192> thanks
[18:57] <chucky_luciano> i am uin synaptic and i just installed swfdec-mozilla and now i am going to try gnome again
[18:57] <locsmif> starter: what is beaglebone if I may ask?
[18:57] <chucky_luciano> i just dont uderstand how gnome disappeared on me like that
[18:57] <here4thegear> in /etc/hosts is there a way to set it so that www.domain.com goes to 127.0.0.1 except for if through a particular port?
[18:57] <dbugger> another question. When I made my system. I think I assigned way to much disk space to "/" and "/home/" is there a way to redistribute the disk space?
[18:58] <here4thegear> or, even only through a particular port. I want my web browser to point to 127.0.0.1 but I want my ssh and scp to point to the actual external domain
[18:58] <miguel_> testing irssi
[18:58] <locsmif> dbugger: boot with gparted
[18:58] <locsmif> miguel_: you're online
[18:58] <jn__> when i use time in bash i get by default 3 output:  real, user and sys ....so if i want the overall time for the script do i plus those 3 numbers?
[18:58] <Jonta> locsmif: Hints on converting PDF to ghostscript?
[18:58] <dbugger> locsmif, I dont know what that means
[18:59] <miguel_> i'm on the internet...sweet : )
[18:59] <Jonta> dbugger: gparted on a storage medium like a CD, boot from that
[18:59] <TorbenBeta> What is are the options to use with shutdown to have the same effect as suspend?
[18:59] <Jonta> (pretend it's a GNU/Linux-distro)
[18:59] <drecute> hi all
[18:59] <Jonta> TorbenBeta: You mean alternatives to suspend?
[18:59] <Jonta> drecute: Hi
[19:00] <dbugger> Jonta, I didnt even know that was doable. I can make a boot CD with gparted?
[19:00] <TorbenBeta> Hi.
[19:00] <Jonta> dbugger: Mm, iirc
[19:00] <drecute> firefox keeps invalidating ssl certificates
[19:00] <beta0x64> where is an appropriate channel to tell about new ubuntu software?
[19:00] <drecute> how do I fix this?
[19:00] <locsmif> Jonta: gs reads pdf
[19:01] <oCean> beta0x64: #ubuntu-offtopic is the general discussion/chat channel
[19:01] <locsmif> dbugger: google it
[19:01] <Jonta> locsmif: And then… I can save it as gs?
[19:01] <oCean> locsmif: don't send others to google please
[19:01] <locsmif> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[19:01] <locsmif> oCean: are you serious?
[19:02] <goddard> why aren't we using OpenOffice any more?
[19:02] <Jonta> locsmif: I think it's a bot
[19:02] <oCean> locsmif: yes. The link you post is fine, but don't tell others to "google it"
[19:02] <oCean> Jonta: nope
[19:02] <Jonta> goddard: Read about libreoffice on wikipedia
[19:02] <Jonta> ^^
[19:02] <zykotic10> goddard: Oracle...
[19:02] <goddard> DuckDuckGo it
[19:02] <goddard> oh did they change the license?
[19:02] <oCean> goddard: not laughing
[19:02] <locsmif> oCean: in terms of moderation, I've never been in a more uptight channel, and I've seen a lot. But, consider me "corrected" then.
[19:03] <Jonta> goddard: No
[19:03] <drecute> how do I prevent firefox from invaliding website ssl certificates?
[19:03] <goddard> did they limit users write access or something?
[19:03] <chucky_luciano> Jonta: i think i know why this happenned...  i removed evolution
[19:04] <here4thegear> when are they going to develop duckduckgo+
[19:04] <chucky_luciano> also...  there is this catch22 when i am trying to install gnome, but i think gnome-session is the one that will fix it...
[19:04] <chucky_luciano> **fingers crossed**
[19:04] <new_ubuntu> i need a very expert becouse i has installed ubuntu in a hd disk whit win 7 but i have problem whit grub
[19:04] <oCean> here4thegear: how is that #ubuntu related?
[19:04] <Jonta> (As already stated, I haven't read the channel rules lately, but I'd think e.g. "google gparted" would be allowed)
[19:04] <goddard> duckduckgo works for me
[19:04] <Jonta> chucky_luciano: Hm, shouldn't have that effect afaik
[19:05] <Jonta> chucky_luciano: Might depend on how you removed it though.
[19:05] <here4thegear> how is asking if something is ubuntu related ubuntu related?
[19:05] <locsmif> Jonta: let alone Freenode guidelines
[19:05] <waheed> tpl2000   here?
[19:05] <goddard> haha
[19:05] <locsmif> Jonta: which the moderators here haven't read, obviously
[19:05] <Jonta> locsmif: Don't think they'd prevent us from saying that
[19:05] <locsmif> bbl
[19:05] <Jonta> :/
[19:05] <drecute> Is there a workaround to prevent firefox from notifying me about ssl certificates?
[19:05] <Jonta> !ubottu
[19:05] <goddard> drecute: about:config probably
[19:06] <oCean> locsmif: if you wish to discuss our guidelines, please /join #ubuntu-ops
[19:07] <here4thegear> in /etc/hosts is there a way to point somedomain.com to 127.0.0.1 but only for port 80?
[19:07] <xsl> hello all does ubuntu have a PPA for the new vmware xorg drivers?
[19:07] <pfifo> here4thegear, no, not for a single port
[19:08] <drecute> goddard: thanks
[19:08] <goddard> yep
[19:08] <drecute> goddard: do you know the exact parameter?
[19:09] <pfifo> here4thegear, im sure iptables could route just 1 port somewhere else though. however I have no idea how
[19:09] <here4thegear> pfifo: thank you... I will look into it :-)
[19:10] <xsl> is there a PPA for this xf86-video-vmware-12.0.0.tar.bz2 <- '
[19:11] <goddard> drecute: no sorry but maybe the search will help
[19:11] <goddard> drecute: that always annoyed me as well but i never bothered to change it since i dont run into it often
[19:12] <chucky_luciano> hey thanks for the help!!
[19:12] <chucky_luciano> its all good now
[19:13] <chucky_luciano> one thing i really dont get though, is that i had to install the package gnome-session and then everything is fixed...  but i dont have the package 'gnome'
[19:13] <chucky_luciano> is that what everyone else has?  gnome-session and not actually gnome?
[19:17] <limescout> hey, I want to upgrade from Linux mint 9 to the latest version of Ubuntu.  I have my /home folder in a different partition.  Would it be safe to just unmount my /home, and mount it into 11.10?
[19:18] <starter_> is there any image that works fine with beaglebone??
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> limescout: it's what i did, too
[19:18] <starter_> is there any ubuntu image that works fine with beaglebone??
[19:18] <snup> I invite all of the canal ] #vulnerabilitylab channel is Groups vuln-lab.com, researcher's legal team, site temporarily disabled
[19:19] <Jonta> starter_: Since you still haven't gotten an answer, I suggest you try one. You said it had an AMD-CPU?
[19:19] <limescout> MonkeyDust: any problems I should watch out for?  Or can i just go ahead and install ubuntu over Mint?
[19:19] <MonkeyDust> limescout: i installed ubuntu 11.10 without touching /home -- in the installer, choose 'format /'
[19:19] <limescout> great, thanks.  I'll give it a shot.
[19:20] <starter_> Jonta: Thank you for answering me, it has AM3359 CPU, Texas instrument.
[19:20] <MonkeyDust> !info beaglebone
[19:21] <starter_> so I can not run ubuntu on beaglebone, is that right?
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> what's beaglebone?
[19:21] <starter_> TI's embedded board
[19:21] <zykotic10> MonkeyDust: hardware
[19:21] <MonkeyDust> ok
[19:21] <starter_> one of their boards
[19:22] <awsation> MonkeyDust: the beagleboard successor
[19:24] <Jonta> starter_: Hm, if you think it's not up for heavy lifting, I'd recommend something lighter than GNOME. Some like xfce or lxde, I like awesome wm.
[19:25] <Praxi> 20 pages later, I still don't know how to run glmatrix on gnome-screensaver.  yes I can run it on xscreensaver, but xscreensaver is ugly
[19:25] <charred> Hello, would appreciate some assistance, I am running an eee-pc laptop and just updated ubuntu 11.10, and now my mouse does not work (trackpad and clicks)
[19:26] <charred> I believe it updated the linux kernel etc, but I don't have a mouse to plug in and browsing for help is a little difficult
[19:26] <pfifo> charred, cant6 you just boot to the old kernel?
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> charred: does the system have a make/model?
[19:27] <charred> ActionParsnip, Asus eeepc R 105
[19:27] <charred> pfifo, how do I do that?
[19:28] <pfifo> charred, it should be an entry in the grub menu
[19:28] <goddard> Do the kernel developers every at some point say ok we are only going to support new hardware and dumb the old from new kernels?
[19:28] <charred> I don't have a grub menu, it just boots ubuntu
[19:28] <gerby> ciso
[19:28] <gerby> ciao
[19:29] <goddard> charred: never heard of that
[19:29] <charred> It's the only OS I have on this laptop
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> Charred: if you run: sudo modprobe -r psmouse; sleep 2; sudo modprobe psmouse      is it ok?
[19:29] <charred> ActionParsnip, will try that now
[19:30] <charred> ActionParsnip, nope, the cursor disappeared then came back again
[19:30] <charred> Still does not move
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> Charred: try Fn+F3
[19:31] <charred> ActionParsnip, tried already
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> Gah
[19:31] <charred> Doesn't work, but fn+f2 does turn wireless on/off
[19:31] <ActionParsnip> Charred: any bugs reported?
[19:31] <charred> ActionParsnip, not sure, can't navigate the web too easily
[19:32] <ActionParsnip> Charred: hold shift at boot and use the old kernel
[19:33] <charred> I mean I can terminal most things, but I only want the laptop for web and vim, now it's just vim :(
[19:33] <locsmif> How do I stop/disable any sort of power management by Ubuntu?
[19:33] <charred> ActionParsnip, will try that now, appreciate the help
[19:33] <ActionParsnip> Np :-)
[19:33] <zykotic10> goddard: no, the kernel team doesn't drop support for old hardware (usually).  Nvidia/ATI like to do that though ;)
[19:34] <L3top> no joke
[19:35] <nmvictor> Why is the package linux-image-generic-3.0.0.16 being held back during upgrade? Im stuck on linux-image-generic-3.0.0.15 despite the availability of linux..3.0.0.16.I'm using 11.10
[19:36] <pfifo> nmvictor, because you installed the kernel from the meta package
[19:36] <charred> ActionParsnip, that worked
[19:36] <charred> Thanks!
[19:37] <charred> Will google how to remove old kernel
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> Charred: great. Now get the bug reported :-)
[19:37] <charred> Doing that now, appreciate your help
[19:37] <pfifo> ActionParsnip, its not a bug
[19:37] <charred> pfifo, no?
[19:37] <ActionParsnip> Pfifo: how so?
[19:38] <pfifo> charred, you need to update your touchpad module to match the newer kernel version.
[19:38] <pakivan> second disk disappears regularly, unmounted, why so?
[19:39] <ActionParsnip> Charred: did you build your own touchpad driver or are you using the one that is in the OS?
[19:39] <charred> I see, but would it not be a bug that it doesn't do that automatically when it updates automatically and I just click install
[19:39] <charred> Just the one in the OS
[19:39] <charred> I didn't touch a thing
[19:40] <nmvictor> pfifo: wow!, so how do i fix that?
[19:40] <ActionParsnip> Then its a bug as the default drivers work in one kernel and not the other
[19:41] <pfifo> charred, try `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-synaptics` while your running the new kernel and you may also need `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg-input-mouse`
[19:41] <goddard> zykotic10: so technically the kernel could become HUGE?
[19:41] <ActionParsnip> pakivan: when it unmounts, run: dmesg | tail    it may give clues
[19:41] <charred> pfifo, I will try that, but I
[19:41] <zykotic10> goddard: it's certainly getting bigger as time goes on - it used to fit on a floppy disk ;) not so much anymore
[19:42] <jackyyll> hi guys, i've got my network set up as a static IP but every so often (2 hours i think?) it's dropping that IP and using a DHCP address.. what could be causing this.. :S
[19:42] <charred> m sure I am not the only one using this laptop that will have the same problem when someone else updates their os
[19:42] <pfifo> nmvictor, 'sudo apt-get remove linux-image-generic && sudo apt-get install linux-image-generic-3.0.0.15 linux-image-generic-3.0.0.16`
[19:42] <charred> So i'll report it anyway :)
[19:43] <ActionParsnip> jackyyll: which network technology are you using? How did you define the IP
[19:43] <nmvictor> !sudo apt-get remove linux-image-generic && sudo apt-get install  linux-image-generic-3.0.0.15 linux-image-generic-3.0.0.16
[19:43] <Ravaro> guys
[19:43] <jackyyll> ActionParsnip: it's an onboard NIC, and one second i will find my paste from earlier of my interfaces file
[19:43] <Ravaro> is ubuntu faster than windows
[19:43] <Mongoose> sure is
[19:43] <jackyyll> ActionParsnip: http://pastie.org/private/5ux2gzyzrttxxcxkok8ow
[19:44] <Ravaro> great
[19:44] <Ravaro> now i can prove someone wrong
[19:44] <Ravaro> ok
[19:44] <Ravaro> so currently
[19:44] <Ravaro> i'm downloading ubuntu
[19:44] <Ravaro> and
[19:44] <FloodBot1> Ravaro: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:44] <Ravaro> why is it 652 MB
[19:44] <pfifo> !enter | Ravaro
[19:45] <Ravaro> mass ping
[19:45] <Ravaro> but, why is the download 652 MB
[19:45] <pfifo> Ravaro, your downloading a CD image
[19:45] <Lu40667> :P
[19:45] <ActionParsnip> jackyyll: ok looks fine. Do you have a gui network tool installed as well?
[19:45] <Lu40667> HAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHH
[19:45] <Lu40667> :P
[19:46] <Ravaro> pfifo: the usual cd images i download are ~200 MB
[19:46] <pfifo> Ravaro, not if its an ubuntu livecd
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> Ravaro: that's the standard size for ubuntu ISO files since forever
[19:46] <Ravaro> ok well
[19:46] <Ravaro> ubuntu has to go on a diet
[19:46] <ActionParsnip> Ravaro: there is the
[19:47] <Ravaro> i only have 320 MB downloaded
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Mini iso which is 12mb
[19:47] <pfifo> Ravaro, debian live cds are ~1400
[19:47] <nmvictor> pfifo: Thanks
[19:47] <Ravaro> pfifo: i don't use debian
[19:47] <jackyyll> ActionParsnip: no, it's a server installation
[19:47] <pakivan> ActionParsnip, it repeats [ 3429.999979] end_request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0
[19:47] <pakivan> [ 3429.999996] Buffer I/O error on device fd0, logical block 0
[19:47] <pakivan> , what does it mean?
[19:47] <charred> How big is a windows or mac image?
[19:47] <ActionParsnip> Ravaro: mini iso uses the web to install
[19:47] <L3top> it has a problem with a floppy drive?
[19:47] <zykotic10> pakivan: fd0 is floppy, do you have one?  probably doesn't mean anything
[19:48] <Ravaro> actionparsnip: it also doesn't like my pc
[19:48] <pfifo> charred, my OEM windows 7 is 2.2GB
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> pakivan: ok, see what that means
[19:48] <Ravaro> so i'm downloading the entire thing
[19:48] <Ravaro> and going to burn it to a cd
[19:48] <charred> pfifo, thanks :)
[19:48] <L3top> pakivan: if you do not have a floppy drive, you should probably disable it in bios
[19:48] <ActionParsnip> Ravaro: remember to MD5 test and burn slowly
[19:49] <Ravaro> actionparsnip: i know that works, but wubi (what you're refering to) doesn't
[19:49] <dwatkins> Ravaro: I'm curious, what are you planning on comparing in Ubuntu versus Windows?
[19:49] <Ravaro> programming
[19:49] <matthew85> can someone help me figure out why i can't view windows shares from ubuntu but i can view ubuntu shares from windows
[19:49] <L3top> .
[19:49] <Ravaro> i heard ubuntu does a better job, and i get distracted too easily, and ubuntu can't run anything
[19:49] <Ravaro> so
[19:49] <pakivan> My problem is this: I installed Xubuntu and my second disk was auto mounted. When I rebooted I don't see it anymore....
[19:49] <ActionParsnip> Ravaro: with wubi you don't even need to burn cd. Just mount the file
[19:50] <Ravaro> actionparsnip: wubi does not work on a toshiba
[19:50] <brianp1992> dose any one know of an ultra light weight web browser?
[19:50] <Ravaro> jes
[19:50] <Ravaro> it's called "ms paint"
[19:50] <zykotic10> brianp1992: how light?  uzbl, links2, elinks...
[19:51] <ratcheer> brianp1992: Is Midori light enough?
[19:51] <GRMrGecko> Searching for this is not simple, so let me ask here. I need to sftp a file using terminal without user interaction meaning I have a automated script. The password contains an @ symbol which means I cannot use user:pass@server unless there is a way to allow the @.
[19:51] <Ravaro> also i have a general question. is this like, the most popular irc channel or something
[19:51] <brianp1992> not shure lol, but chrome maxxes out my cpu
[19:51] <pfifo> GRMrGecko, urlencode the url
[19:51] <zykotic10> brianp1992: i'm guessing flash not chrome myself
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> Brianp: arora
[19:52] <GRMrGecko> pfifo: Your saying to do user:Pass%40@host?
[19:52] <brianp1992> yes its mostly the flash :/
[19:52] <zykotic10> GRMrGecko: use keys instead
[19:52] <ActionParsnip> Ravaro: probably
[19:52] <charred> pfifo, will try your suggestions now and will report back if they work or not
[19:52] <GRMrGecko> zykotic10: I do not control the other endpoint.
[19:52] <pfifo> GRMrGecko, yes, if that doesnt work try to escape it with a \
[19:53] <zykotic10> GRMrGecko: i see.  well, good luck.
[19:53] <Jordan_U> Ravaro: To be clear, the minimal iso is not related to Wubi in any way.
[19:54] <zykotic10> brianp1992: flash will cause high cpu regardless of browser
[19:54] <brianp1992> zykotic10 is there i can do so the flashplayer wont max out my cpu?
[19:54] <pakivan> My problem is this: I installed Xubuntu and my second disk was auto mounted. When I rebooted I don't see it anymore.... How do I solve this
[19:54] <ActionParsnip> brianp1992: could try lightspark or gnash instead. If you use YouTube a lot try using minitube and you can watch vids without flash :-)
[19:54] <zykotic10> brianp1992: ya, don't use flash ;)
[19:55] <zykotic10> brianp1992: I've never tried lighspark, but gnash will give high CPU as well.
[19:55] <brianp1992> what is gnash
[19:55] <zykotic10> !info gnash
[19:55] <L3top> I noticed that if you enter youtube lately with no flash at all it wants to try you out on html5
[19:55] <brianp1992> what is lightspark?
[19:55] <pfifo> zykotic10, how can I watch youtube videos without using flash?
[19:55] <L3top> a flash alternative
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> brianp1992: open source alterative to adobe flash
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> brianp1992: both are
[19:56] <matthew85> can someone help me figure out why i can't view windows shares from ubuntu but i can view ubuntu shares from windows
[19:56] <shaun_> lightspark crashes on most flash files for me... gnash might use alot of cpu, but supports alot as well
[19:56] <brianp1992> are the lighter on my resores?
[19:56] <ActionParsnip> Pfifo: minitube allows YouTube sans flaah
[19:57] <ActionParsnip> brianp1992: try is all i can say. Get minitube for sure
[19:57]  * P1rate salutes
[19:57] <brianp1992> well its not youtube
[19:58] <MonkeyDust> pfifo: this may be useful http://www.youtube.com/html5
[19:58] <L3top> brianp1992: the question has been answered a few times. I am not sure what more you are asking.
[19:58] <shaun_> or... install xbmc and download it's youtube plugin... pretty sure it's not using any flash
[19:58] <L3top> !info gnash
[19:58] <L3top> 1info lightspark
[19:58] <L3top> !info lightspark
[19:58] <ActionParsnip> Xbmc isn't exactly light
[19:59] <MonkeyDust> brianp1992: try midori
[19:59] <brianp1992> so...  apt-get install lightspark?
[19:59] <L3top> yes sir :)
[19:59] <shaun_> true.
[19:59] <ActionParsnip> brianp1992: prefixed with sudo..yes
[19:59] <brianp1992> okay ill give it a try
[20:00] <ActionParsnip> You'll need to uninstall the other flash plugins first
[20:00] <charred> pfifo, just so you know those commands you gave me did not work, still have the mouse problem on the new kernel
[20:01] <charred> Report the bug
[20:01] <charred> Reporting***
[20:01] <brianp1992> E: Couldn't find package lightspark
[20:01] <zykotic10> brianp1992: FYI propritary flash is probably gonna work the best...
[20:01] <brianp1992> repo?
[20:02] <pfifo> charred, did you reboot afterwards?
[20:02] <zykotic10> brianp1992: what version of ubuntu are you running?  "lsb_release -sc" if you aren't sure.
[20:02] <ActionParsnip> brianp1992: enable the universe repo
[20:02] <charred> pfifo, no
[20:03] <P1rate> charred: sudo shutdown -r now and see what happens :)
[20:03] <charred> okay... brb again
[20:03] <pfifo> ActionParsnip, minitube doesnt work for anything but youtube though
[20:03] <brianp1992> lucid
[20:03] <zykotic10> !info lightspark lucid
[20:04] <MonkeyDust> pfifo: i think vlc reads any streaming media
[20:04] <ActionParsnip> Pfifo: sure but if you are YouTubing its handy
[20:04] <kiro> test
[20:04] <pfifo> MonkeyDust, however, very few flash video sites publish urls
[20:04] <kiro> 2
[20:05] <charred> nope, still no mouse
[20:06] <charred> times like these makes me wish i ran ratpoison and vimperator
[20:06] <P1rate> charred: what type of mouse /model/manufactor?
[20:06] <charred> P1rate, asus eee pc R105
[20:06] <charred> trackpad
[20:06] <charred> been through that though, works with old kernel
[20:06] <dysoco|laptop> charred: and why you don't ? :P
[20:07] <dysoco|laptop> I love Vimperator and DWM
[20:07] <charred> dysoco|laptop, eh, I like going out instead
[20:07] <dysoco|laptop> charred: some Tiling WMs like DWM have very nice defaults, you don't need to spend all the day configuring them :P
[20:08] <dysoco|laptop> I just dropped Slackware for Ubuntu in my laptop, I'm "retiring" as Power User for a while
[20:08] <pfifo> charred, ahh thats too bad, im not sure which xserver-xorg-input-* eeepc uses and im to lazy to boot mine if your just going to use the old kernel anyway
[20:08] <charred> dysoco|laptop, maybe, but I'm lazy
[20:09] <charred> pfifo, don't trouble yourself :)
[20:09] <charred> I have no real need for a new kernel, but from now I will turn off these updates, shame that stuff like this still happens
[20:10] <charred> Appreciate your help everyone :)
[20:10] <BeatySee> anyone know why pulseaudio is started when i open gtk or qt apps?
[20:10] <ActionParsnip> Charred: its a lot better than it once was
[20:10] <BeatySee> more importantly, how to keep it from happening
[20:10] <BryanRuiz1> anyway to get php 5.4 on ubuntu in safe and decent manner?
[20:10] <charred> ActionParsnip, I know, believe me
[20:11] <charred> I don't complain about what people give me for free, all I can do is report and they'll fix it :)
[20:12] <pfifo> every time i run apt-get upgrade it frees 10-50MB of diskspace, if this keeps up ill be able to fit ubuntu on a floppy before too long
[20:12] <ActionParsnip> Charred: you could boot to the bad kernel and run: dmesg > ~/bad.txt   then boot the good and run: dmesg > ~/good.txt   then add both to the bug
[20:12] <dysoco|laptop> pfifo: try with Aptitude instead, is way better
[20:12] <pfifo> dysoco|laptop, i dont aptitude
[20:13] <charred> ActionParsnip, thanks for the tip, I will do that
[20:13] <dysoco|laptop> pfifo: Why not ?
[20:13] <pfifo> dysoco|laptop, GUIs are for the weak
[20:13] <L3top_> pfifo has an aptitude problem (humor)
[20:14] <dysoco|laptop> pfifo: aptitude has no GUI
[20:14] <dysoco|laptop> pfifo: I think you mean Synaptic
[20:14] <ActionParsnip> dysoco|laptop: if its so much better, why was it removed from the ISO and apt-get kept...
[20:14] <zykotic10> dysoco|laptop: so curses doesn't count as a GUI ;)
[20:15] <ActionParsnip> dysoco|laptop: aptitude can have a curses based ui
[20:15] <dysoco|laptop> zykotic10: apt-get also has a ncurses GUI
[20:15] <dysoco|laptop> and it's totally optional, I don't use it
[20:15] <dysoco|laptop> "Aptitude install", "Aptitude update", it's the same
[20:15] <pfifo> dysoco|laptop, aptitude uses a curses gui
[20:16] <linda> hi xubuntu
[20:16] <dysoco|laptop> pfifo: It does if you type "aptitude"
[20:16] <linda> hello
[20:16] <Ca11um> What is the 'test' command?
[20:16] <linda> i said hello
[20:16] <Ca11um> I type it in Terminal, and it executes, but absolutely no output
[20:16] <linda> why?
[20:17] <ActionParsnip> Ca11um: test what?
[20:17] <linda> darko help
[20:17] <dysoco|laptop> pfifo: "aptitude install emacs", there's no GUI in there
[20:17] <ikonia> Ca11um: test is for testing test conditions
[20:17] <pfifo> dysoco|laptop, well the real reason I dont use aptitude is cause it doesnt get installed by default.
[20:17] <ikonia> Ca11um: you don't just type it, you have to have a condition to test
[20:17] <linda> i don't have much tome to talk
[20:17] <dysoco|laptop> pfifo: OK then
[20:17] <Ca11um> Like Bash?
[20:17] <dysoco|laptop> but Aptitude's upgrades and removes are way safer than apt-get ones
[20:17] <linda> he might kill this soon.
[20:17] <ikonia> Ca11um: it's just a command and testing a varibles status would be "test" and the test command can do that
[20:17] <linda> hi klj613
[20:18] <ikonia> or test if a device file can be accessed
[20:18] <zykotic10> dysoco|laptop: ubuntu/canonical removed aptitude from default for a reason...
[20:18] <dysoco|laptop> what reason ?
[20:18] <ikonia> Ca11um: it's literally a test condition evaluator, you can set the condition to what you want
[20:18] <zykotic10> dysoco|laptop: i'm guessing, because aptitude gives options .... ;)
[20:18] <linda> go to youtube.com to see this :0
[20:18] <dysoco|laptop> zykotic10: not sure what you mean :S
[20:19] <ActionParsnip> Apt-fast should be added imho
[20:19] <dysoco|laptop> zykotic10: they removed it for Space issues
[20:19] <zykotic10> dysoco|laptop: apt-get is the "dumb stick" of upgrading, i think it's more suited to ubuntu users
[20:19] <pfifo> dysoco|laptop, I take care to read every package apt-get wants to upgrade, and write the information down, and then test things as needed after the upgrade (I am not afraid to royally bork my system either)
[20:19] <zykotic10> dysoco|laptop: space, please...
[20:20] <Star_Light>  /join ##C
[20:20] <dysoco|laptop> zykotic10: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/+bug/592336
[20:20] <matthew85> can someone help me figure out why i can't view windows shares from ubuntu but i can view ubuntu shares from windows
[20:20] <dysoco|laptop> OK then, I don't want to start a War or nothing
[20:21] <zykotic10> dysoco|laptop: i personally don't think its a great idea to be recommending aptitude over apt-get in #ubuntu
[20:21] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: if you run: smbtree    do you see the shares. What version of Windows is the sharer?
[20:21] <linda> hello
[20:21] <linda> hello i said
[20:22] <linda> hello
[20:22] <zykotic10> dysoco|laptop: i personally am an aptitude guy, but i don't run ubuntu
[20:22] <matthew85> ActionParsnip: I do see the share. It is Windows 7.
[20:22] <linda> windows sucks. linux FTW
[20:22] <dysoco|laptop> linda: hello
[20:23] <linda> hellp
[20:23] <dysoco|laptop> linda: and remember it's GNU/Linux, Stallman would not be happy ;)
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: yeah win7 is an ass. There is a guy reporting on how its a nightmare as well as a fix. I had the link a while back. Let me search
[20:23] <ikonia> linda: do you need help with ubuntu ?
[20:23] <linda> i remember dysoco
[20:23] <linda> no
[20:23] <ikonia> linda: do you need help with ubuntu ?
[20:23] <ikonia> linda: then please keep the non support discussion out of this channel
[20:23] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: do you use windows live messenger?
[20:23] <linda> i don't need help
[20:24] <rhizmoe> what is the command to search my apt-get repositories?
[20:24] <ikonia> linda: ok, then please keep the non-support chatter out of this channel
[20:24] <ikonia> rhizmoe: apt-cache
[20:24] <matthew85> ActionParsnip: No i do not.
[20:24] <rhizmoe> thanks!
[20:24] <linda> oh i want to speak to ikonia
[20:24] <ikonia> linda: sorry, not in this channel
[20:24] <ikonia> linda: try #defocus
[20:25] <ActionParsnip> matthew85: www.7tutorials.com/how-access-windows-7-shared-folders-ubuntu
[20:25] <linda> ikonia i dont know witch it is
[20:25] <chalcedony> Guest53824
[20:25] <matthew85> thank you for the link, ActionParsnip
[20:26] <ikonia> linda: I'll try to be clear, this channel is for ubuntu support discussion ONLY,
[20:26] <ikonia> linda: please use another channel, such as #defocus for random chatter
[20:26] <linda> i am ubuntu support
[20:26] <ikonia> linda: ok, then you're welcome to ask/respond to ubuntu support questions, but the other comments you make should stop please.
[20:27] <hydrox24> I need to rename files using exiftool, but I don't know what the symbol (%d for example) is for the files extension (jog, dng) etc.
[20:27] <bouzbou> Hi, I've installed mysql with aptitude, but now I have this error when trying to install phpmyadmin : Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock, do you know why?
[20:27] <ikonia> bouzbou: mysql is not running most likley
[20:27] <kawarshy> Hi, i have ubuntu 11.10 on compaq presario cq60, every thing is ok, but the numpad is not working, neither the touch pad lock, any idea how to fix it?
[20:27] <L3top_> likely because mysql isnt running
[20:28] <captbunzo> hey folks. I just upgraded to the 12.04 beta and have a few questions.
[20:28] <ikonia> captbunzo: #ubuntu+1 for 12.04 discussion
[20:28] <bouzbou> what should I do to make it run?
[20:28] <ActionParsnip> "I am ubuntu support" is very bold :-)
[20:28] <ikonia> bouzbou: start it
[20:28] <captbunzo> ok. thanks ikonia :)
[20:28] <L3top_> service mysqld start I think
[20:28] <linda_> ikonia
[20:28] <bouzbou> 'mysql start' ?
[20:28] <ikonia> bouzbou: "sudo service mysql start"
[20:28] <L3top_> sorry thats it
[20:28] <pfifo> ActionParsnip, I am linux support
[20:28] <linda_> ikonia!!!!!
[20:28] <ikonia> linda_: what ?
[20:29] <bouzbou> ah ok thanks ikonia I'm trying it
[20:29] <kiro> who can tale me were is i can find chat with russian langruage suport?
[20:29] <linda_> IKONIA!!!!!!!!
[20:29] <ActionParsnip> !ru
[20:30] <kiro> thank you for help :)
[20:30] <st1> how do I stop a "sleep" command?
[20:30] <BJD10> anyone have a Dymo 400 Label writer hooked up to Ubuntu? Having trouble printing labels here.
[20:30] <ActionParsnip> How do you pronounce a backwards 3...
[20:30] <ikonia> ActionParsnip: ?
[20:30] <L3top_> can you be more clear st1?
[20:31] <L3top_> E?
[20:31] <hydrox24> don't worry, turns out the code is %%e (double percent)
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> St1: ctrl+c once probably
[20:31] <st1> like "sleep 1m; pm-suspend"
[20:31] <epaphus1> Does silverlight function with google chrome in ubuntu?
[20:31] <ActionParsnip> Ikonia: its a joke about the factoid and Russian characters
[20:31] <L3top_> no epaphus1
[20:31] <ikonia> oh
[20:31] <st1> what can i do in 1 minute from my computer from suspend
[20:31] <epaphus1> L3top_, thanks
[20:32] <seanbright> epaphus1: you might have some luck with moonlight
[20:32] <seanbright> oh well
[20:32] <L3top_> epa
[20:32] <dysoco|laptop> epaphus1: you may want to check Moonlight from Mono Project
[20:32] <L3top_> yaeh
[20:32] <Fou_DRA> ? What kernel is Linux runnign right now?
[20:32] <zykotic10> Fou_DRA: Linux is the kernel?
[20:32] <Jordan_U> el_seano: Moonlight however doesn't support any of the DRM used with Silverlight, which means that most video services which require Silverlight will not work with moonlight.
[20:32] <Fou_DRA> : )
[20:32] <L3top_> for which distribution?
[20:32] <st1> ActionParsnip:  thanks I think that works
[20:32] <Fou_DRA> uBuntu
[20:32] <pfifo> my install is 3.9GB with 1583 installed packages, I only have 157MB left on / and need to free some space, is there anything I can get rid of before installing packages?
[20:33] <Fou_DRA> I meant ubunutu
[20:33] <CellTech> What is the original pic viewer that allows simple color enhance and cropping? gThumb sucks
[20:33] <KM0201> is there a way to use synaptic to download a program in .deb format, w/ all its dependencies?
[20:33] <L3top_> pfifo: check for tar.gz, .log of significant size.
[20:33] <Jordan_U> !offline | KM
[20:33] <Jordan_U> KM0201: ^^
[20:34] <KM0201> hmm
[20:34] <ActionParsnip> In a string of commands separated by semicolons, is the command on thread, or is each process spawned as the command runs. If so how is the command stored during execution, as a thread or ïn a variable in ram?
[20:34] <zykotic10> KM0201: FYI /var/cache/apt/archives stores all the downloaded DEBs
[20:34] <bouzbou> ikonia: the service mysql is unrecognized
[20:34] <ikonia> bouzbou: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[20:35] <KM0201> zykotic10: yeah.. i'm just trying to figure out what all this program depends on, thats all.
[20:35] <zykotic10> KM0201: "apt-cache depends foo" and/or "apt-cache rdepends foo" might help
[20:36] <zul> Hi all, I need a very very stupid help: I created an user foo in mysql. I gave to foo (I think) the right grants I created a db foo_db but now when I try to connnect to the db with this command: "mysql -u foo -p foo_db" I get: ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'foo'@'localhost' to database 'foo_db'
[20:36] <Jordan_U> ActionParsnip: no multitasking is required for commands separated by semicolons because they are run one after the other. For more of an answer than that try asking in #bash
[20:36] <L3top_> pfifo: you might check out gdmap as well
[20:36] <L3top_> pfifo: It gives a graphic representation of files by size, very handy for finding big things you dont need
[20:37] <ikonia> zul: -p
[20:37] <ActionParsnip> Jordan_U: cheers dude. Pure curiosity is all :-)
[20:37] <dysoco|laptop> Do you have any Meta-Package that includes the basic stuff for compiling ? (GCC, Make, etc.) ? It's called base-devel in Arch
[20:37] <ikonia> dysoco|laptop: build-essential
[20:37] <dysoco|laptop> thanks
[20:37] <L3top_> pfifo: you can also do apt-get autoclean and it will remove the package files that are already installed (the packages themselves, not installed programs)
[20:37] <bouzbou> ikonia: unable to unlock /var/lib/dpk/lock , I think I had another ssh window opened on phpmyadmin installation but I don't know where it is, maybe it's this one wich is locking... :(
[20:37] <ikonia> bouzbou: , no that is a package manger lock file, nothing to do with mysql
[20:38] <ikonia> bouzbou: close all your package managers and run the command
[20:38] <bouzbou> aptitude was opened in another terminal, but I don't see this terminal, is there a shortcut on ubuntu to switch on opened programs?
[20:38] <ikonia> bouzbou: alt tab
[20:39] <pfifo> L3top_, hmm none of that really helped, and its lots and lots of small things in /, /home has all the big stuffs
[20:39] <L3top_> you looked with gdmap?
[20:39] <L3top_> switching to root to see the whole file structure?
[20:39] <L3top_> root being / sorry
[20:40] <pfifo> L3top_, i dont have gdmap
[20:40] <bouzbou> ikonia: well alt tab isn't retrieving terminals, I've minified the current one and now I have 2 hiiden terminals!
[20:40] <L3top_> !info gdmap
[20:40] <L3top_> apt-get install gdmap  you will like it :)
[20:40] <ikonia> bouzbou: just reboot, it will give you a clean env
[20:40] <L3top_> its small
[20:42] <pfifo> L3top_, its taking a long time to scan my 4gb filesystem, almost like it moved in the 160gb /home
[20:42] <L3top_> takes a min to scan. Its worth the time
[20:43] <L3top_> It is absolutely the easiest fastest way to find large files and evaluate their worth to you
[20:43] <bouzbou> ikonia: can't I kill all my terminals instead of rebooting?
[20:44] <ikonia> bouzbou: just reboot, it's easier/cleaner
[20:44] <L3top_> in the meantime pfifo, look at the output of ls /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:44] <L3top_> I am just curious if there is much in there
[20:44] <pfifo> L3top_, already cleared it
[20:44] <L3top_> just checking
[20:44] <L3top_> ;)
[20:45] <bouzbou> ikonia: ok, I'm going to reboot then launch your command apt-get install mysql-server hoping it will solve my problem
[20:45] <bouzbou> thanks for your help
[20:45] <ikonia> bouzbou: don't forget sudo
[20:45] <pfifo> L3top_, the largest file is /usr/src/linux at about 70MB, so yeah, tons of little files
[20:45] <bouzbou> ok thx ;)
[20:46] <dirtybirdnj> Hello, I am having an IP conflict problem... I have a fresh install of Ubuntu and it keeps taking the same IP as our printer
[20:46] <dirtybirdnj> I tried editing the /etc/network/interfaces file, but that doesn't seem to have any effect
[20:46] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: sort your dhcp server out
[20:47] <dirtybirdnj> I don't have access to that right now, which is why I am trying to manually set the IP
[20:47] <L3top_> you can look for coredumps.
[20:47] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: contact the person who runs your dhcp server
[20:47] <L3top_> check /var/log sizes
[20:47] <dirtybirdnj> that doesn't explain why my changes to /etc/network/interfaces don't work... is there a command I can use to refresh the eth0 settings and get it to re-read this file?
[20:48] <kiro> test
[20:48] <pfifo> L3top_, /var/log is empty too
[20:48] <paulus68> is there a good program available to restore data from formatted harddrive with programs like Darik’s Boot and Nuke or is that a waste of time
[20:48] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: are you using the ubuntu desktop ?
[20:48] <dirtybirdnj> yes
[20:48] <L3top_> then you have done a pretty good job of clearing large files pfifo. I am running out of ideas
[20:48] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: it's probably conflicting with network manager
[20:49] <kiro> who can tal me how i can registrate nik name in chat? i cen not type in the #ubuntu-ru
[20:49] <ikonia> kiro: ask in #freenode
[20:49] <dirtybirdnj> I tried to do it the /etc/network/interfaces way because when  go into the Network Connections panel, any time I specify a manual IP it won't let me save the changes
[20:49] <kiro> ty
[20:49] <ikonia> kiro: or read freenode.net
[20:49] <kiro> #freenode
[20:49] <L3top_> dirtybirdnj: sudo
[20:50] <L3top_>  /join #freenode
[20:50] <kiro> oh ty :)
[20:50] <L3top_> np
[20:50] <dirtybirdnj> L3top, what is the command to launch the Network Connections panel?
[20:50]  * L3top_ always uses cli for networking sorry
[20:50]  * Star_Light brb later
[20:50] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: you just click on the network connections pannel
[20:51] <L3top_> I almost never see desktop. It is difficult for me to give good advice in there.
[20:51] <SaRSAeOL> dirtybirdnj: after you set your interfaces up you restarted networking right? and you are still conflicting with the printer?
[20:51] <ikonia> L3top_: then don't
[20:52] <L3top_> ikonia: he said he was trying to change /etc/network/interfaces file
[20:52] <SaRSAeOL> and ifconfig still has the old IP (the one not set in /etc/network?)
[20:52] <ikonia> L3top_: yes, he also said he wanted to launch the network manager application
[20:52] <dirtybirdnj> I have not been able to figure out how to restart networking
[20:52] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: you're going to end up making  a mess of your system
[20:53] <dirtybirdnj> I am not able to do it through the applicaiton
[20:53] <L3top_> And I explained I was not helpful there, as it was addressed to me, I felt it polite. I am not sure what the problem here is.
[20:53] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: 1.) undo what you've done in /etc/network/interfaces
[20:53] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: 2.) set through network manager the IP back to dhcp
[20:53] <paulus68> ikonia: at least he's honest about it and brave enough to admit that it's out of his domain. others who try to help you may cause more troubles if they are guessing...
[20:53] <nmvictor> dirtybirdnj: sudo restart network-manager
[20:53] <L3top_> he was unable to save changes
[20:53] <L3top_> nothing to undo
[20:53] <linelevel> hi, I've noticed that when I run the command "sudo rmmod thinkpad_acpi" from the command-line, it works. But when I put the same in a script, it acts as if it works (asks me for my sudo password, doesn't throw any errors), but it doesn't actually remove the module from /proc/modules. What gives?
[20:53] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: 3.) talk to the person who runs your dhcp server
[20:53] <dirtybirdnj> The save button doesn't work in Network Connections
[20:53] <ikonia> paulus68: what are you talking about
[20:53] <dirtybirdnj> I add a manual IP, subnet mask, and gatway, but it won't let me save
[20:54] <L3top_> to which I replied, open editor with sudo first
[20:54] <dirtybirdnj> what is the command I need to use to restart the network connection
[20:54] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: one of the reasons it won't let you save is if the data is invalid
[20:54] <paulus68> ikonia: you made de remark to L3Top about giving advise in desktop envirement
[20:54] <ikonia> paulus68: yes and ?
[20:54] <nmvictor> dirtybirdnj: or /etc/init.d/networking restart
[20:55] <dirtybirdnj> thank you very much nvm that's what I've been trying to figure out
[20:55] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: if your network manager application has information it and your /etc/network/interfaces file, it will cause issues/conflicts
[20:55] <paulus68> ikonia: like I said he's honest enough to admit that this is out of his domain while others continue to help and praying that they give the right advice
[20:55] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: use one or the other
[20:55] <ikonia> paulus68: what are you talking about, I'm not disputing his honesty ?
[20:56] <dirtybirdnj> I am not using the Network Manager Application
[20:56] <dirtybirdnj> I'm fine doing it through the /interfaces file
[20:56] <paulus68> ikonia: you sounded a bit harsh in my opinion
[20:56] <dirtybirdnj> I did an ifconfig after networking restart and it still has the old conflicting IP
[20:56] <paulus68> ikonia: never mind
[20:56] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: again, I'll advise you to talk to your dhcp manager, sometimes if you use an IP address that is reserved in the dhcp scope you'll have problems
[20:56] <ikonia> paulus68: I'm not
[20:56] <pfifo> dirtybirdnj, if you want to use interfaces, then you should uninstall network-manager
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: the best thing you can do is find out what's going on with your dhcp system
[20:57] <dirtybirdnj> ikonia, the problem is that as a fresh install... Ubunutu decided to take an IP address that is already being used
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: yes, which means there is a problem with your dhcp server
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: talk to the person who runs your dhcp
[20:57] <dirtybirdnj> unfortounately I don't have access to that, or the person who is in charge of that
[20:57] <nmvictor> pfifo: is network-manager ever required in KDE? Just a question.
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: if you assign an address that is reserved in the dhcp pool, it can cause problems
[20:57] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: so talk to the person who runs the dhcp service
[20:57] <dirtybirdnj> the problem is not the address I am asigning
[20:58] <dirtybirdnj> the problem is that no matter w hat I do, I cannot change the IP that the box has
[20:58] <dirtybirdnj> I am assigning an IP that I know is not being used
[20:58] <pfifo> nmvictor, I dont think network manager is required for anything at all, I get along just fine without it, but I cant say for sure about the KDE part as I have nevere used kubuntu
[20:58] <paulus68> ikonia: can it be that he manually assigned ip adresses to his machines based on the various mac addresses
[20:58] <ikonia> dirtybirdnj: and I'm trying to explain to you, that if you DO assign an address that is reserved as a dhcp pool address, then it can cause a problem so talk to the dhcp address
[20:58] <nmvictor> pfifo: thanks anyway.
[20:59] <ikonia> paulus68: quite possibly, which is why I've said 10 times talk to the person who manages the dhcp pool
[20:59] <dysun_> happy friday everyone =)
[20:59] <michaelfox> ikonia: I second that
[20:59] <pfifo> dirtybirdnj, you could try changing your mac address and getting a new IP
[20:59] <ikonia> randomly putting static addresses on a dhcp network is a bad idea
[20:59] <jazzg4> i have  question  need little help with    what do you need to have  3d Unity  i have some high specs on this computer but still gos to 2d unity
[21:00] <dirtybirdnj> pfifo that's the best suggestion I've had yet
[21:00] <dirtybirdnj> thanks
[21:00] <michaelfox> very bad idea. you could run into a worse problem if you change to any random IP anything
[21:00] <nmvictor> pfifo: Why never used kubuntu, i prefer the interface to any other, but everyone for their taste. However, Canonical is dumping kubuntu,which was bad news to us.
[21:00] <paulus68> ikonia: do you know by any chance a program that can recover data from a formatted drive with darik boot and nuke
[21:00] <ikonia> paulus68: not off the top of my head
[21:01] <paulus68> ikonia: ok
[21:01] <pfifo> nmvictor, i run debian and lubuntu
[21:03] <Quantum_Ion> paulus68, Once you use darik boot nuke your disk is wiped clean no recovery possible
[21:03] <haz3lnut> paulus68: darik boot and nuke wipes the drive, so you would need the NSA to recover that data.
[21:03] <dirtybirdnj> thanks for your help guys... I'm giving up on this for today
[21:03] <Quantum_Ion> haz3lnut, Even the NSA couldn't recover the data
[21:03] <haz3lnut> Quantum_Ion: I know.
[21:03] <Quantum_Ion> haz3lnut, lol
[21:04] <diverdude> I am trying to install ubuntu server 11.10. I made a bootable external harddisk using the "create usb-stick for boot" method described on the ubuntu site. I am able to boot from this disk, but when i have chosen locale and keyboard-type it says it cannot mount the CD, and i cannot continue. Why is it trying to mount a CD when it should boot fra the external USB disc?
[21:04] <pfifo> diverdude, is there a cd in your cdrom drive
[21:05] <linelevel> [Bump] Hi, I've noticed that when I run the command "sudo rmmod thinkpad_acpi" from the command-line, it works. But when I put the same in a script, it acts as if it works (asks me for my sudo password, doesn't throw any errors), but it doesn't actually remove the module from /proc/modules. Any suggestions?
[21:05] <diverdude> pfifo: no, no CD there
[21:06] <pfifo> diverdude, wait your using the server ISO? It doesnt support new style USB boots if I remember correctly
[21:06] <Quantum_Ion> linelevel, Do you make the script executable by all by running chmod +x your_script.sh so you dont have to run it as root
[21:06] <diverdude> pfifo: ahhh ok...damn
[21:07] <diverdude> pfifo: is there some non-graphical iso which does?
[21:07] <pfifo> diverdude, you can still make it bootable using pxeboot
[21:07] <linelevel> Quantum_Ion: I make it +x by the owner (my primary user account) and run it as same.
[21:07] <pfifo> diverdude, also the minimal install only need the kernel and initrd
[21:07] <diverdude> pfifo: so how do i then do to make it bootable?
[21:07] <Quantum_Ion> linagee, sudo -s as root then chmod +s your_script.sh to make it executable by all
[21:08] <Quantum_Ion> I mean chmod +x
[21:08] <pfifo> diverdude, you should go the minimal install route, just derop the kernel and initrd on your existing USB stick inplace of the kernel/inintrd thats already there
[21:09] <diverdude> pfifo: where do i find my minimal install route?
[21:10] <Linux_Starter> hello i have the epson stylus sx 110 although install the driver thanks to the click and go ubuntu command everything works perfect scanner included ,  i did try anything to get it to show me how much colour il left in cartuges but nothing works what you advise ?
[21:11] <Linux_Starter> installing*
[21:11] <pfifo> diverdude, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[21:11] <Linux_Starter> hi pfifo  hope you can solve this one can i can trow windows out the window :)
[21:12] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, throw the printer out the window too, go paperless
[21:13] <Linux_Starter> hehe i need the printer do you have a solution for it :) ?
[21:13] <Linux_Starter> all  i need is tell me how much colour is left and i'm solved :)
[21:13] <Radiobuzz> I'm having a problem
[21:13] <Radiobuzz> not really connected to Ubuntu but I really need some help
[21:14] <Radiobuzz> it's regarding grub
[21:14] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, well I support paperless envoriments so I dont have a printer nor any real experience with them, sorry
[21:14] <theblakester> i need some help getting my ubuntu 11.10 set up to build android
[21:14] <Quantum_Ion> Radiobuzz, Ask question  ?
[21:15] <Linux_Starter> is there other staff able to help mehere pfifo ?
[21:15] <Jordan_U> Radiobuzz: If you're using Ubuntu then this is still the right channel. If you're not using Ubuntu then try #grub.
[21:15] <Quantum_Ion> theblakester, did you try /join #android-dev
[21:15] <Radiobuzz> oh! I didn't know that channel existed, thanks Jordan_U
[21:15] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, keep repeating your question ever 30 minutes until a printer expert comes along
[21:15] <theblakester> thanks
[21:15] <vadsomhelst> one quick question, how do I download audio only with youtube-dl?
[21:15] <Jordan_U> RandomCake: You're welcome.
[21:16] <pfifo> Linux_Starter, you can try asking in #cups too
[21:16] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, You can convert the youtube FLV video using ffmpeg
[21:16] <Linux_Starter>  hello i have the epson stylus sx 110 although instalingl the driver thanks to the click and go ubuntu command everything works perfect scanner included ,  i did try anything to get it to show me how much colour il left in cartuges but nothing works what you advise ?
[21:16] <Linux_Starter> thanks pfifo
[21:16] <vadsomhelst> but there's no way I could download only audio?
[21:17] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, You can convert the youtube FLV video using ffmpeg to a WAV file
[21:17] <pfifo> vadsomhelst, the file is a flv file and you cant download just half a file
[21:17] <Linux_Starter> !it
[21:17] <vadsomhelst> only wav? I was thinking about mp3, or mp4...
[21:18] <diverdude> pfifo: hmmm i downloaded the mini.iso but the startup disk creator won't accept it
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, and then use Lame to convert the WAV to an MP3
[21:18] <vadsomhelst> what is lame?
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, An MP3 is a compressed WAV file
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, sudo apt-get lame
[21:18] <pfifo> diverdude, use dd `sudo dd if=/image.iso of=/dev/sdX` where X is you usb stick
[21:18] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, sudo apt-get install lame
[21:19] <vadsomhelst> ok, thanks
[21:19] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, sudo apt-get install ffmpeg
[21:19] <vadsomhelst> I know :)
[21:19] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, then it's like ffmpeg -i downloaded.flv downloaded.wav
[21:20] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, the take lame and convert the WAV to an MP3 -> lame downloaded.wav downloaded.mp3
[21:21] <diverdude> pfifo: hmmm got these : sda   sda1  sda2  sda5  sdb   sdb1
[21:21] <diverdude> pfifo: would that be sdb1?
[21:21] <vadsomhelst> thanks!
[21:21] <Quantum_Ion> vadsomhelst, no problem
[21:22] <pfifo> diverdude, I dont know, they are your disks, and really im think this might be a bit out of your leauge, you should just burn it to a CD or burn the Server install to a CD since your uncomfortable with making bootable USB's
[21:23] <diverdude> pfifo: dont have CD drive, so no can do ;)
[21:23] <matusalem> que programas de edicion de imagen hay para ubuntu
[21:23] <itaylor57> !es | matusalem
[21:24] <Ph0RmaT> if someone here knows the basic unix utilitiy programs... may be he/she can say which ones would be most useful to process the apache access log and output how many requests were per each browser, 10 longest breaks between requests, last 10 requested urls? i guess grep, tail, head, sort, cut, wc would be useful, but which other programs? thanks.
[21:25] <diverdude> pfifo: your command did not seem to work....its not a bootable disk
[21:26] <Linux_Starter>  hello i have the epson stylus sx 110 although installing  the driver thanks to the click and go ubuntu command everything works perfect scanner included ,  i did try anything to get it to show me how much colour i have  left in cartuges but nothing works what you advise ?
[21:27] <pfifo> diverdude, well in anyway that you can, boot the kernel and initrd that is on the minimal iso
[21:27] <Quantum_Ion> Linux_Starter, that will be hard unless Epson has a GUI utility program for Linux that can do that
[21:27] <diverdude> pfifo: hmm
[21:28] <diverdude> pfifo: maybe your command has an error
[21:28] <miazio> ieieoel
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/native-epson-photo-print-drivers-in-linux/
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> they give me this Quantum_Ion
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> but is too hard for me i am basic linux
[21:28] <Linux_Starter> can you  help me out with it?
[21:30] <Corey> Linux_Starter: You're just trying to see how much ink is left in a cartridge?
[21:30] <pfifo> diverdude, im not 100% sure if the mimimal disk can use the dd method
[21:30] <Ravaro> wait
[21:30] <Ravaro> can i burn a ubuntu iso with imgburn?
[21:30] <Ravaro> i just finished downloading and windows disc image burner won't burn it (because it sucks)
[21:31] <itaylor57> Linux_Starter, did you check in the software center to see if there were epson printer applications?
[21:31] <Quantum_Ion> Corey, He is using this which has an EPSON utility included to monitor his ink usage http://reformedmusings.wordpress.com/2009/01/17/native-epson-photo-print-drivers-in-linux/
[21:31] <S-aint> hello guys
[21:31] <Quantum_Ion> Linux_Starter, Do  you alien installed on your system ?
[21:31] <Corey> I monitor ink usage by "buying spare cartridges, when one runs dry replace it"
[21:31] <pfifo> diverdude, here is the complete list of ways to boot from USB, one of them will work so try them all until you win https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[21:31] <webnet> S-aint, hi can we help you?
[21:31] <S-aint> may i have a question ?
[21:32] <webnet> !ask | S-aint
[21:32] <Linux_Starter> i diden't install ubuntu yet
[21:32] <Linux_Starter> i'm on w7 Quantum_Ion
[21:32] <Linux_Starter> once i install alien what happens?
[21:32] <S-aint> :D
[21:32] <Quantum_Ion> Corey, Sometimes HP and Epson have these utility programs built into their driver packages now
[21:32] <Quantum_Ion> Linux_Starter, Come back when you are on Linux
[21:32] <S-aint> right any advice where can i learn how to manage this software ? :)
[21:32] <Ravaro> wait
[21:32] <Ravaro> what speed do i burn the ubuntu .iso at
[21:32] <karmeeko> can anyone help me setup my eepc to have a functioning hdmi port in ubuntu???
[21:32] <webnet> S-aint, what software?
[21:33] <Linux_Starter> ok brb
[21:33] <S-aint> ubnutu
[21:33] <S-aint> quick guide
[21:33] <webnet> Linux_Starter, if you want to test it try running a VM?
[21:33] <Ravaro> webnet: http://prntscr.com/73tvw
[21:33] <Ravaro> are these settings good?
[21:33] <guntbert> !manual | S-aint
[21:34] <webnet> Ravaro, yep
[21:34] <Ravaro> ok
[21:34] <Ravaro> i hit the button
[21:34] <Ravaro> now it's burning
[21:34] <webnet> good good
[21:34] <S-aint> surfing... ?:D
[21:34] <S-aint> well... i give it a try anyway
[21:34] <webnet> S-aint, what is the problem you are having?
[21:35] <S-aint> none... just found it funny :) thx for advice mate ;-)
[21:36] <S-aint> seems much better then windows to me. i love it now even if i dont know anything about the softtware :)
[21:36] <webnet> S-aint, yes i was chained to windows for years and i discoverd ubuntu. installed that day. never looked back
[21:37] <S-aint> cool :)
[21:37] <Ravaro> http://prntscr.com/73u2t
[21:38] <Ravaro> webnet: so when it's done burning, I restart the PC, and it'll autoboot the CD, right?
[21:38] <Ravaro> or
[21:38] <Ravaro> do i need to boot it manually
[21:38] <pfifo> heh, i migrated from w98 to redhat9
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> http://christwire.org/2010/10/the-anti-masturbation-movements-14-greatest-inventions/
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> crap so sorry
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> Wrong window
[21:38] <mrcheesenips`> ;-;
[21:38] <Ravaro> ...
[21:38] <webnet> Ravaro, depends on your bios settings
[21:38] <webnet> Ravaro, try auto booting
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  the boot sequence the BIOS may have to be modified
[21:39] <Ravaro> monkeydust: i know how to get it to boot manually but it's not done yet
[21:39] <webnet> if that dont work try i believe f11 over and over
[21:39] <Ravaro> i'll see if it auto boots, and if not i'll boot menu
[21:39] <Ravaro> and finally
[21:39] <Ravaro> the cd finished writing
[21:39] <webnet> thats the way Ravaro as long as you can get to the boot manu you should be good
[21:39] <S-aint> have you heard about that anonymous os or whatever ? i've seen some clip on u2be and it seems to be similar as ubnutu O_o isn;t it a little bit of pirate stuff ? :D
[21:39] <MonkeyDust> S-aint  it's fake
[21:40] <webnet> S-aint, we arent associated with them at all
[21:40] <Praxi> ok gnome-do is pretty cool
[21:40] <webnet> S-aint, they may use linux software, but that is as far as our relationship goes
[21:40] <kfizz> My system has become painfully slow at times lately. I have /home mounted at its own partition. If I reinstall Ubuntu and mount that partition as home, when I reinstall programs, will they behave somewhat as they do currently?
[21:40] <S-aint> but they stole ubnutu stuff to arrange their... seems not right in my eyes
[21:40] <MonkeyDust> OT: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Anonymous-OS-Live-CD-Based-on-Ubuntu-is-Fake-258700.shtml
[21:41] <Ravaro> webnet: right now imgburn is verifying the disk
[21:41] <webnet> Praxi, i dont feel it
[21:41] <alien_> hello, could I use the asound.state file generated by ubuntu on another OS instead of .asoundrc ?
[21:41] <Ravaro> i'd imagine they packed the iso right, right?
[21:41] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, What kind of system do you have ?
[21:41] <guntbert> S-aint: in any case its not a support issue
[21:41] <Praxi> don't like gnome-do webnet?
[21:41] <webnet> S-aint, Annonymous-OS (which should have totally been called AnnonymOS) isnt associated with us.
[21:41] <alien_> or is there a way to generate .asoundrc from the Ubuntu's alsa stack?
[21:41] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion: Ubuntu 11.10, classic-gnome -- it has been a HUGE pain ever since I upgraded to 11.10
[21:42] <webnet> Praxi, nah. i liked it for like a week and never really got into it... like twitter
[21:42] <webnet> S-aint, and btw its not possible to steal something that is free and open source
[21:42] <Ravaro> ok so xchat does work with ubuntu; sorry webnet :p
[21:42] <S-aint> yeah but u know what i mean right :)
[21:42] <Praxi> lol roger, honestly, just switching from windows, its one of the few things I have found that I like, that I can't get on windows.  We will see how I do in a week :)
[21:42] <Ravaro> i had to do that to test something
[21:42] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, If your system seems slow its because of that new GUI Unity
[21:43] <webnet> np Ravaro. lol.
[21:43] <S-aint> anyway can i get that link once again please ? i lost it littlebit :P
[21:43] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, You might want to downgrade to Ubuntu Linux LTS 10.04
[21:43] <webnet> S-aint, link to what?
[21:43] <plipp1> Hi all, my upgrade gets stuck when trying to replace 'bluez'
[21:43] <S-aint> gotta read "how to"
[21:43] <webnet> !manual | S-aint
[21:43] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, I'm thinking very seriously about doing that.
[21:43] <S-aint> thank you
[21:43] <webnet> np
[21:44] <pfifo> kfizz, you cant 'downgrade' but you can format and install 10.04
[21:44] <Ravaro> webnet: it finished ;D
[21:44] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Because of new stuff in new releases all of the bugs haven't been worked out yet that is why I tell most people to upgrade when the LTS releases come out
[21:44] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, I just wish Unity didn't suck so badly, at least for me.
[21:44] <Ravaro> and no errors!
[21:44] <webnet> cool Ravaro!
[21:44] <Ravaro> time to restart
[21:44] <MonkeyDust> !nounity| kfizz
[21:44] <pfifo> kfizz, try xubuntu or lubuntu if you dont like unity
[21:44] <kfizz> pfifo, I'm just worried about my program configs stored in /home still working
[21:45] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, I heard that a lot of people have had problems with Unity on their hardware I still use Ubuntu Linux 10.04 LTS
[21:45] <Praxi> ooh nice gnomexchat puts a line through the chat where xchat lost focus
[21:45] <webnet> kfizz, i dont like it either. and im not a fan of gnome3
[21:45] <darien> Which channel is the best in which to ask questions about customizing the ubuntu installer via pressed files and extra packages?
[21:45] <MonkeyDust> webnet  same here
[21:45] <webnet> yeah idk y i just dont feel it
[21:45] <Praxi> oh ya meant to ask about gnome-tweak, I install ubuntu-tweak first, and can't seem to bring up gnome-tweak at all, I assume they do the same things?
[21:46] <kfizz> The classic-gnome look (whatever it's called) works fine for me.
[21:46] <kfizz> But every other day it seems like my computer comes to a screeching halt and everything is bogged down.
[21:46] <xteejx_> Hi guys. I'm looking to get Ubuntu onto an old HTC Kaiser (arm11 phone), but not sure where to start. I know I'll probably need to setup an arm chroot but that's about it. Can anyone help please?
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> darien  there's a program to do that in the repos, i forget the name
[21:46] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Everytime they sup up the GUI on Ubuntu it sucks up more processing resources so maybe thats the reason for the slowdown
[21:46] <webnet> MonkeyDust, i have been considering forking gnome2 and taking the new releases of ubuntu stripping off all of the gui layers and putting gnome 2 shell back on. call it gubuntu or something
[21:47] <webnet> lol
[21:47] <darien> MonkeyDust: well, I have it customized, but I'm having a strange error where at install time, it complains that one of my packages (percona-common) is conflicting with another package (mysql-common), which is not installed and is not supposed to be installed
[21:47] <xteejx_> I tried to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BuildEABIChroot but it's deprecated, there is no qemu-arm-static
[21:47] <pfifo> webnet, just install debian it comes with gnome2 standard
[21:47] <MonkeyDust> darien  i was going to give you this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallCDCustomization
[21:47] <webnet> pfifo, i know. but i like ubuntu. :P
[21:48] <Quantum_Ion> The more work they do on GUI's in the future you might need a QUAD processor to run them
[21:48] <darien> MonkeyDust: yeah, I've read that site back forth and sideways, this is a new problem that's come up with a new package
[21:48] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion that could be it. If I'm only doing two things at once the system is fine, but get 10 tabs open in Chrome and try to play music and all of a sudden something with dbus_daemon or beam.smp causes CPU to go to 100% -- I'm boggled and figured downgrading would probably be my best option
[21:48] <darien> MonkeyDust: the issue is specific to this package, it seems, or something triggered by it, so it's not going to be covered there
[21:48] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Do you have a dual core PC or laptop ?
[21:48] <DJones> xteejx_: Don't know if this of any use, but there is an #ubuntu-arm irc channel, don't know if you've tried there, they may have some suggestions
[21:48] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, yes.
[21:48] <xteejx_> Can I run Ubuntu on an armv6?
[21:48] <kfizz> Laptop is what it is.
[21:49] <xteejx_> DJones, Cool thanks, I'll join that but doubt many will be there :)
[21:49] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Wow even with two processors you notice slowdown thats amazing
[21:49] <Wierdo> wieardo
[21:49] <webnet> xteejx_, i believe there is a port of ubuntu that does
[21:49] <Wierdo> how to use another irc channel?
[21:49] <Quantum_Ion> You spelled Weird wrong
[21:49] <MonkeyDust> darien  percona is not found with apt-cache search, that may be the issue
[21:49] <xteejx_> webnet, Brilliant :)
[21:50] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, yes. That's what baffles me. I'd never had this problem until the upgrade. But something causes all the processes on my system to eat up as much as the CPU as they can until it reaches 100%.
[21:50] <Quantum_Ion> Windows 15 might need a QUAD processor
[21:50] <Praxi> hmm how do I check xchat highlighting
[21:50] <pfifo> ubuntu has arm support now? When will I get my sparc support :(
[21:50] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, WOW
[21:50] <Islam> from where can I download a rescue disk iso ?
[21:51] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Sounds like GNOME3 Unity is a heavy GUI
[21:51] <webnet> Islam, there isnt one officially for ubuntu
[21:51] <KM0201> Praxi: if you're using normal xchat, system/preferences/alerts
[21:51] <webnet> Islam, but try searching: rescue on distrowatch.com
[21:51] <KM0201> Quantum_Ion: sounds like?..lol, have you used it?  i thought KDE4 was  bloated
[21:51] <zykotic10> Islam: the regular LiveCD can fix a lot?
[21:51] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Also how much memory do you have ?
[21:51] <Quantum_Ion> KM0201, No not yet still on the LTS release of Ubuntu 10.04
[21:52] <KM0201> oh ok
[21:52] <Islam> webnet : yeah I need the liveCD
[21:52] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, something is causing the slow down :/. And 4GB
[21:52] <Islam> webnet: I need the cd that repairs the boot problems
[21:52] <webnet> Islam try ultimate boot cd
[21:52] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, the heavier the GUI the more memory you need too I forgot to throw that in
[21:52] <MonkeyDust> Islam  what kind of boot problems?
[21:53] <webnet> Islam, http://www.serverninjas.com/ultimate-tool-list/boot-utilities/ultimate-boot-cd/ultimate-boot-cd-download
[21:53] <webnet> it has alot of tools that help repair boot issues
[21:53] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Gnome 3 Unity sounds like a heavy GUI to me so a dual processor with 8GB - 16GB might help
[21:53] <hydrox24> kfizz: whats the problem you're having?
[21:53] <Islam> some times after installation you find a problem with the boot menu, there is a rescue disk that repairs it
[21:54] <kfizz> Quantum_Ion, yeah, I'm not sure if it has to totally do with the GUI or not. System runs fine 90% of the time.
[21:54] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, Have you ever used Blender on Ubuntu linux ? Sometimes you need a lot of memory for complex animations using that program
[21:54] <MonkeyDust> i don't find how tow to enable / disable the login sound :s
[21:54] <darien> MonkeyDust: no, it can find the package (I included it on the ISO), but that package conflicts with mysql-common (which should not be set to be installed, as it is not explicitly specified, it's not part of the 'standard' task package, and nothing depends on it)
[21:55] <pfifo> Quantum_Ion, download some more ram http://www.downloadmoreram.com/
[21:55] <kfizz> hydrox24: My system, every other day or so, will come to a screeching halt. CPU will jump to 100% and then won't be responsive until I reboot. (Sometimes I can kill a few programs and it will come back.) It happens when I have multiple programs running -- the CPU will be hanging at around 80% then out of nowhere it goes to 100% and doesn't come back down.
[21:55] <Praxi> I am running gnome-shell instead of unity, I have a bar at the top that has what a windows user would call tray icons, and a bar at the bottom that shows running applications and desktops.  I want to condense that down to one bar on the bottom, what config thing am I looking for?
[21:56] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from alivecd?
[21:56] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from a livecd?
[21:56] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, I bet you need a Quad Core with at least 16GB of memory in order to run Gnome 3 Unity smoothly take a look at this -> http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/22/dell-teases-with-17-inch-quad-core-laptop-with-16gb-of-memory/
[21:57] <MonkeyDust> Praxi  i guess you need a different DE
[21:57] <Quantum_Ion> kfizz, 4GB for a laptop is minimal nowadays
[21:57] <Praxi> Desktop Environment?  I can't just customize those bars?  not sure what they are called so not familiar with where to look
[21:58] <MonkeyDust> Praxi  there's gnome-tweak-tool in the repos, maybe you find something there, or install a different shell or so
[22:00] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from a livecd?
[22:00] <Ravaro> ok
[22:00] <Ravaro> i have a slight problem; I burned the iso file correctly and everything. But... my BIOS doesn't boot from a CD-ROM.
[22:00] <Ravaro> What do I do about that?
[22:00] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  does it boot from USB?
[22:00] <Ravaro> it does
[22:01] <pfifo> Ravaro, can you modify the bios to boot from a cd or will it really not boot from  cd?
[22:01] <Ravaro> pfifo: it won't boot from a CD.
[22:01] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  then create a bootable pendrive, use unetbootin
[22:01] <Ravaro> And... no. I can't mod the bios.
[22:01] <pfifo> Ravaro, but it can boot usb?
[22:01] <Ravaro> pfifo: yes
[22:01] <pfifo> Ravaro, well thats your solution
[22:02] <Ravaro> pfifo: the problem is my flash drive is near full
[22:02] <Ravaro> and it has a ton of stuff i absolutely need
[22:02] <pfifo> Ravaro, but the flash drive stuff to a CD?
[22:02] <pfifo> burn*
[22:02] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: It sounds like you have a decision to make... and as cheep as flash drives are... why not go to the store and get a new one?
[22:02] <darien> does your BIOS not have a setting to boot from CD/DVD? or does it not work?
[22:02] <Ravaro> my bios doesn't have a setting to boot from CD/DVD
[22:03] <Ravaro> pragmaticenigma: no flash drives are in stock
[22:03] <Ravaro> and i don't do internet shopping
[22:03] <Quantum_Ion> Ravaro, Check Ebay tons of cheap USB drives sometimes they give them away at electronic stores and conventions too
[22:03] <Ravaro> i don't do internet shopping
[22:03] <Ravaro> no thanks
[22:04] <ikonia> Ravaro: ok - so how can we help you ?
[22:04] <pfifo> Ravaro, SD cards work just as well as a flashdrive, if you have any laying around
[22:04] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: I would follow the suggestion of another user on here... burn the contents of your flash drive to CD or DVD then setup the flash drive to install Ubuntu... when your done, you can put your files back on the flash drive
[22:04] <Ravaro> So... What do I do with the burned CD?
[22:04] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: Beverage caoster?
[22:04] <Ravaro> lol
[22:04] <MonkeyDust> Ravaro  you can't do this, you don't want that, like if you don't want to be helped
[22:04] <pfifo> Ravaro, put your coffee mug on it to keep stains off your desk
[22:05] <Ravaro> ok
[22:05] <Ravaro> i
[22:05] <Quantum_Ion> recycle it ?
[22:05] <Ravaro> i'm moving some stuff from my flash drive
[22:05] <superdave321> Ravaro: Make a full .img backup of your flash drive, format, install, restore the drive...
[22:05] <ubuntu> how can i get intrid.img from a livecd? Will anyone help me on this please....
[22:05] <Ravaro> superdave321: i already know how to boot it from a usb stick
[22:05] <Ravaro> the problem is, last time i tried, it failed
[22:05] <Ravaro> but
[22:05] <Ravaro> i may as well try again
[22:05] <Ravaro> brb
[22:05] <pragmaticenigma> Ravaro: Is this a computer that you personally own?
[22:06] <Ravaro> yes
[22:06] <FloodBot1> Ravaro: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:06] <superdave321> Ravaro: I know, but as far as the data loss prevention on your flash drive...
[22:06] <Ravaro> superdave321: i already told you i'm moving stuff
[22:06] <Ravaro> anyways brb
[22:07] <superdave321> Ravaro: Oh. Must have missed that. My apologies.
[22:07] <superdave321> Jeez...
[22:08] <hydrox24> kfizz: have you looked at logs,, kernel or otherwise to try and diagnose the issue?
[22:08] <ralphiek> sent error from printer msg to http://paste.ubuntu.com re failure of ocelot to recognize my usb port of my lexmark x4650 printer
[22:08] <Jordan_U> ubuntu: 1: You should change your nick to something else since "ubuntu" is a common word in this channel ("/nick new_nick" without the quotes) 2: Please explain your original problem and why you think you need to get an initrd.img from a liveCD.
[22:09] <pfifo> If linux was cheese, debian would be swiss, gentoo cheddar, arch mozzarella, and ubuntu would be individually warped slices of american.
[22:10] <S-aint> :D
[22:10] <Ravaro> I'm back; installing it to the USB stick
[22:10] <Ravaro> I think I know what happened last time, I didn't realize I downloaded 11.10 and the Installer tried to install 10.04.
[22:10] <smw> pfifo, DVL would be swiss
[22:10] <Ravaro> I changed that setting, so, It should work?
[22:10] <pragmaticenigma> Interesting analogy pfifo
[22:11] <superdave321> pfifo: I think we can all say we're individually warped :P
[22:13] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> can anyone tell me what MUI is and what to use it for?
[22:13] <Pietruzzo> hello folks.. I need a little help
[22:13] <Pietruzzo> I have just installed Ubuntu 10.4 LTS on my 13" macbook pro
[22:13] <Pietruzzo> and I can't get the audio to work
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> I am using the kernel 2.6.32-39-generic
[22:14] <superdave321> !ask | Pietruzzo
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> and I have installed the linux-backport-modules-alsa for the following channel
[22:14] <Quantum_Ion> Pietruzzo, Turn your volume up
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> kernel
[22:14] <Pietruzzo> actuall
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> Quantum_Ion,
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> wish I was that dumb
[22:15] <ralphiek> cups log return              'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:29 -0600] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Dirty files", busy="Active clients and dirty files"',
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdReadClient: 28 POST / HTTP/1.1',
[22:15] <Quantum_Ion> Pietruzzo, lol just checking
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdSetBusyState: newbusy="Active clients and dirty files", busy="Dirty files"',
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdAuthorize: Authorized as ralph using PeerCred',
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] cupsdReadClient: 28 1.1 Cancel-Subscription 1',
[22:15] <FloodBot1> ralphiek: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:15] <ralphiek>                'D [05/Feb/2012:13:48:34 -0600] Cancel-Subscription /',
[22:15] <Quantum_Ion> ahh damn
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> also I can't seem to adjust the brightness
[22:15] <Tigerboy> have one broken package (brasero) that i cannot remove using aptitude or another other program aptitude's "solution" is to remove 243 packages and every time I try to do it aptitude crashes
[22:15] <Pietruzzo> to be able to adjust the brightness
[22:16] <Ameerizer> hello
[22:16] <S-aint> hey
[22:16] <Pietruzzo> which is what's killing me most right now
[22:16] <Pietruzzo> LOL
[22:17] <superdave321> !ask | Pietruzzo
[22:17] <dlentz> superdave321, s/he did ask the question...
[22:18] <Pietruzzo> superdave321, I dont know whether ur fooling me or not
[22:18] <Pietruzzo> I need to get the sound card working on this macbook pro
[22:18] <superdave321> Pietruzzo: Sorry. Just ask in one line. It'll help.
[22:18] <Pietruzzo> as well as the brightness adjustment
[22:19] <Pietruzzo> thats my soundcard model
[22:19] <Pietruzzo> 00:08.0 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP79 High Definition Audio (rev b1)
[22:19] <Pietruzzo> if anyone knows anything about.. just hit me up
[22:20] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> hi noobs
[22:20] <gdea73> I'm having problems with  hybrid graphics (AMD A6 APU) on my new laptop. You can read this thread for a full description of the problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1941605
[22:20] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> im soo sorry that was my g
[22:20] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> idiot friend
[22:21] <CFHowlett> TRIAL_AND_ERROR   *noobs*?
[22:21] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> that was my idiot friend i am sooo sorry
[22:22] <gdea73> I can get the integrated (APU) graphics to work if I disable the discrete graphics in the BIOS, but I can't get hardware acceleration on the discrete graphics to work if they're enabled in BIOS. I get a purple screen.
[22:23] <gdea73> basically I need help getting fglrx configured properly, is anyone here skilled at that? I'd really appreciate some help.
[22:24] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Most motherboards do not support using a discreet and on board graphics chip at the same time
[22:24] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> noob
[22:25] <iceroot> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: stop it please
[22:25] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> its really not me, hes a jerk
[22:25] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: That's not exactly what I'm trying to do. I'm trying to be able to switch between them. The problem is that they both use fglrx.
[22:25] <Pietruzzo> I am trying to install the latest 3.0 kernel
[22:25] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> i apologize
[22:25] <pragmaticenigma> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: It doesn't matter... if it's a problem then leave the room
[22:25] <Pietruzzo> and see what happen
[22:25] <iceroot> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: then leave the channel please until that is stopped
[22:26] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: The drivers do not support it
[22:26] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: are you serious? :(
[22:26] <gdea73> well that's going to be problematic.
[22:26] <gdea73> so I paid the money for a discrete graphics chip that I will *never* be able to use? :S
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: The proprietary AMD graphics drivers for linux are severly crippled
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I'm certain on the Windows side of things it probably works just fine
[22:27] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: are you working with a laptop or desktop?
[22:28] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: I'm using a laptop, a new one which I just bought.
[22:28] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> ummm, moderator! my friend is attempting to start chatting (from the same ip ) you may want to kick him
[22:28] <gdea73> I bought it with the intent of running Ubuntu alone. It came with Windows 7 preinstalled, which I can't stand, so I wiped it and installed Maverick.
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Why Maverick?
[22:29] <gdea73> well, I prefer the 10.x series to the 11.x series, I prefer Gnome 2 to any other DE, and I like it slightly better than 10.04.
[22:29] <pragmaticenigma> Maverick is no longer supported
[22:29] <gdea73> it's 64-bit, BTW. And the hardware model is a Lenovo IdeaPad Z575, AMD A6-3420M
[22:30] <gdea73> oh, well I know the support ends somewhat soon, but ... ah well
[22:30] <KM0201> TRIAL_AND_ERROR: why should he be kicked?
[22:30] <CFHowlett> KM0201   trolling out of season
[22:30] <gdea73> I'd still prefer it to 10.04, I guess. At this point I don't want to downgrade at all, or reinstall anything, since it took a while to get the WiFi working as it is.
[22:30] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I don't use the main ubuntu installers... I go for Xubuntu or even Lubuntu... both are simple DEs and run similar to Gnome
[22:30] <KM0201> lol
[22:31] <The_silly_doll> hey guys
[22:31] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yeah I've tried Lubuntu and I like it to some extent, for older hardware, but overall if my hardware can run it I like Gnome 2 the best. I just like the way panels, etc., work
[22:31] <CFHowlett> KM0201   and forcing me to add another name to the /ignore list
[22:31] <CFHowlett> The_silly_doll   greetings
[22:31] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: that's why I'm wondering why your are using a no longer supported version... there is a good possibility that driver support is crippled...
[22:31] <The_silly_doll> how are u hackers
[22:32]  * KM0201 chuckles... and now another
[22:32] <gdea73> And honestly I don't care a whole lot about official support for the OS, I just want to finish configuring the current install.
[22:32] <CFHowlett> The_silly_doll   *hackers*  not here.  Perhaps you want a different channel
[22:32] <CFHowlett> KM0201   same stuff different nick?
[22:32] <KM0201> :)
[22:32] <gdea73> Well I didn't think the AMD/ATi drivers would run any better on 11.10, for example.
[22:32] <The_silly_doll> hey
[22:32] <gdea73> I'm using Catalyst 12.2, which would be the same version in use on Oneiric.
[22:32] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: From my limited research... I know that many laptop producers do not allow both the discreet and onboard graphics to run at the same time for battery conversvation
[22:32] <gdea73> I installed the drivers from AMD's website.
[22:33] <The_silly_doll> i like icecream
[22:33] <CFHowlett> Iot|The_silly_doll
[22:33] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: I would expect that too except these graphics chips are both AMD based and it's marketed as "hybrid graphics"
[22:33] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: It's not just the drivers you have to worry about... sometimes the kernel itself is lacking a feature the drivers may need in newer releases
[22:33] <gdea73> but regardless; I just want some way to switch between them. I don't need any hybrid graphics. I just want to be able to switch between the APU and the Radeon 6650M, even if it requires a reboot.
[22:34] <The_silly_doll> so is this the guy hotline chat or the stripper chat room
[22:34] <ikonia> neither
[22:34] <pangolin> !guidelines > The_silly_doll
[22:34] <ikonia> it's an ubuntu technical chat resource
[22:34] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: so basically you're saying I won't be able to get it working for at least another year, when the AMD drivers for Linux become mildly acceptable on this newer hardware?
[22:34] <ikonia> please keep to that topic
[22:34] <gdea73> (didn't mean to sound like an attack, I'm making assumptions, as that's usually the case. I'm just sort of disappointed.)
[22:34] <WilsonBradley> speaking of.. Has anyone seen some type of MONITOR profile app? Meaning , it adjusts things based on monitor plugged in?
[22:34] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73:  There is that distinct possibility
[22:35] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: well I'm an idiot for purchasing this hardware expecting it to work on Ubuntu.
[22:35] <The_silly_doll> u fat fucks are so nooby u make bill gates look like a athlete
[22:35] <gdea73> I guess what semi-convinced me, is that I couldn't find any documented *issues* running an A-series APU.
[22:35] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I stopped using AMD/ATI when I found the support for them was severely limited in the linux world... I used to love their products, especially all-in-wonder series... but it's so limited to get support I went over nvidia which seems to have a larger support base
[22:35] <gdea73> now I realize I can't find any documented ANYTHING :P
[22:35] <KM0201> he lasted longer than i thought he would..
[22:36] <TRIAL_AND_ERROR> hes coming back btw
[22:36] <CFHowlett> KM0201   what?  you think he's done for the day?
[22:36] <KM0201> lol
[22:36] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: though while shopping for laptops the only in my price range had Intel HD graphics alone, or AMD discrete cards.
[22:36] <gdea73> and I don't want to be brand-biased based on how well their drivers work with my preferred OS. That's pathetic, in a way... on their end :(
[22:37] <zooko> Dear people of #ubuntu: I'm trying to make a bootable USB drive for my son's 11th birthday.
[22:37] <zooko> I followed these instructions: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[22:37] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: though I thought I was pretty close with configuration... I thought it was just a matter of configuring "amdconfig" right. I almost got them working
[22:37] <zooko> (He has a Macbook Pro.)
[22:37] <zooko> But the result is a blank grey screen.
[22:37] <gdea73> I just really want a usable laptop.
[22:37] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I work with both Intel and Nvidia graphics for my rigs... both equally supported... it's not biased on brand on my part... I just choose what is going to have the best support outcome when I have a problem... but getting back to your situation
[22:38] <S-aint> right im off... thanx for advice ill be back tomorrow. reading made me tired :P
[22:38] <gdea73> but yes I'd prefer to focus on the hardware at hand.
[22:38] <CFHowlett> gdea73   suggest you look at the ubuntu OEM laptop companies
[22:38] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Isn't the bios capable of selecting between the two cards?
[22:38] <pragmaticenigma> CFHowlett: He's already made the purchase
[22:38] <gdea73> CFHowlett: Those would be ideal, except I purchased based on the price and hardware performance; not OEM OS. I never use OEM installs of any OS anyway.
[22:38] <gdea73> CFHowlett: and yeah, I have. Can't really return it either I don't think. Only replacement. From Newegg. *sigh*
[22:39] <CFHowlett> gdea73   fair enough.  Wish it had worked out better for you.
[22:39] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: so here's the deal, yes the BIOS switches between "APU Only" and "dynamic mode"
[22:39] <WilsonBradley> zooko- look up Pendrivelinux
[22:39] <gdea73> CFHowlett: well I'm still hoping that it will :P
[22:39] <gdea73> but thanks.
[22:39] <pragmaticenigma> can you throw back up your laptop model for me?
[22:39] <zooko> WilsonBradley: thanks!
[22:39] <WilsonBradley> I make usb distros all the time
[22:39] <gdea73> yeah: Lenovo IdeaPad Z575. The posts you may find on it and Linux are likely mine. A review on Newegg said that the 3D acceleration worked fine on their Linux install, but they were running a custom-configured build of Arch. FWIW.
[22:39] <WilsonBradley> they are great for boot utilities when your stuck
[22:40] <gdea73> (and they also said the WiFi was recognized by default, which is kind of a lie, it took me several hours lol
[22:40] <gdea73> )
[22:40] <WilsonBradley> That site is all automated
[22:40] <WilsonBradley> I mean the USB Multiboot creator
[22:40] <WilsonBradley> Simple
[22:40] <zooko> WilsonBradley: is there some special instructions for Macbook Pro?
[22:41] <gdea73> man this has been a long day...
[22:41] <WilsonBradley> Not sure about Macbook
[22:41] <WilsonBradley> OSX
[22:41] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... gdea73 your laptop wireless is newer than what was available at the time of 10.10
[22:41] <WilsonBradley> You don't have a windows box?
[22:41] <gdea73> had to say "goodbye" to my parents' BMW 525i :(
[22:41] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: well the WiFi works now, so that's all that matters.
[22:42] <gdea73> and sorry for O/T anyway, just it's a pity, I liked the E39s a lot, and the world didn't need to lose another XD
[22:42] <gdea73> so back to the fglrx drivers :P
[22:42]  * zooko discovers that he already has a package named "usb-creator-gtk" on his Ubuntu laptop.
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: are you a member to the ubuntuformums?
[22:42] <pragmaticenigma> nm
[22:42] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yup. Under the same u/n
[22:43] <pragmaticenigma> yeah... stumbled on your thread... didn't scroll up fast enough to see your name
[22:43] <gdea73> ironically I'm using my Dell Inspiron 5000 as my way to troubleshoot my IdeaPad. The Inspiron is ~12 years old.
[22:43] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yeah that's fine. so anyway I can get it to work with just the APU drivers, but I can't get the discrete ones to work again
[22:44] <zooko> Darn, usb-creator-gtk has the "Make Startup Disk" button greyed-out and I don't see how to make it enabled.
[22:44] <CFHowlett> zooko   running as sudo?
[22:44] <zooko> Ah, maybe that's because I didn't run it with sudo..
[22:44] <zooko> CFHowlett: :-)
[22:45] <zooko> Dang, still greyed-out with sudo. :-(
[22:45] <fancybone> LOL I STALK
[22:45] <gdea73> on a side-note, msot of the time my laptop won't resume from suspend. I have to actually remove the battery to get it to POST again.
[22:45] <zooko> Ah! I just needed to wait longer.
[22:46] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Suspend and Hibernate are both features that are hit or miss on any computer... best not to use them
[22:46] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: yup, yet another aspect of the alternative O/S world that gradually drives me insane...
[22:46] <zooko> I assume this isn't going to work, because I assume it is making a USB drive which will boot on a PC, i.e. using BIOS and MBR.
[22:46] <zooko> But my son has a Macbook Pro, so I will have to figure out how to use EFI and GPT. ☹
[22:47] <gdea73> I can suspend on my laptop running Win98SE. I can suspend on my Pentium II running Win95. I can suspend on my 486 running DOS. But my new PCs running Linux? out of the question lol
[22:47] <pragmaticenigma> I can't run my current machine with C-states enabled for my CPU because of power management bugs in the kernel
[22:48] <gdea73> C-states? That sounds like a frustrating problem though as well.
[22:48] <GoblinL> lol how do I customize this XCHAT so that I see list of people on the right side?
[22:48] <gdea73> the most frustrating part of alternative OSes is the lack of hardware support, I've found.
[22:49] <pragmaticenigma> C-states is a set of instructions for power management on the CPU... basically tells the CPU to turn on and off cores, when to lower clock cycles, etc
[22:49] <pangolin> GoblinL, you should e able to click along the right side of the window and expand the nick list
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> I'm sorry to say gdea73 ... your configuration is just too new to be able to find solutions... :-(
[22:50] <GoblinL> pangolin I am on a 10 inch, doesn't seem to work
[22:50]  * gdea73 is seething with rage
[22:50] <gdea73> just kidding lol
[22:50] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I would suggest focussing your efforts on the graphics chip model numbers
[22:50]  * gdea73 is actually mildly anoyed
[22:50] <gdea73> but yes, of course.
[22:50]  * zooko reads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tools_to_create_Live_USB_systems
[22:50] <gdea73> The APU: AMD A6-3420M. GPU: Radeon HD 6650M.
[22:51] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: In my experience... linux and laptops are like black magic...
[22:51] <gdea73> lol true
[22:52] <gdea73> so anyway, I'll try to focus for a second now...
[22:52] <pragmaticenigma> GoblinL: Look through the preferences under settings... you will find the setting in there
[22:52] <gdea73> I have two ways to enable/disable the discrete GPU. (1) BIOS, and (2) Catalyst.
[22:53] <pragmaticenigma> Once the OS has taken over the bios setting no longer matters
[22:53] <gdea73> The graphics worked, on the discrete chip, right after installing Catalyst. and running amdconfig --initial
[22:53] <GoblinL> I must have a old or sad version of Xchat....
[22:53] <gdea73> then I disabled it, via Catalyst, and rebooted. That lead to a purple screen. So fglrx is broken now. However, if I DISABLE the discrete GPU in the BIOS, it boots right up from the integrated APU, using fglrx.
[22:54] <gdea73> so basically I've had both GPUs working, with fgrlx, at different times; but now when I boot with the discrete card disabled by the BIOS, Catalyst won't give me the option to switch to it.
[22:54] <Ampix0> ok a bit of a specialized question. finally set up an ubuntu server with the minecraft server on it. When you try to connect to the minecraft server you get this message "internal exception: java.net socket exception: connection reset"
[22:54] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: True... because it's a switch disabled... BIOS isn't letting the drivers know the card exists...
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: It's like whack a mole
[22:55] <jefimenko> does anyone know how to read the output on /dev/console over ssh?
[22:55] <gdea73> exactly; so is there any way out without reinstalling fglrx altogether?
[22:55] <gdea73> I've tried running and rerunning various amdconfig commands with no success.
[22:55] <pragmaticenigma> Ampix0: This isn't the correct forum for that type of question... you'd be better served on the minecraft forums
[22:56] <Ampix0> well the issue is really with ubuntu and java
[22:56] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: removing any xorg.conf files may help get things to go back to defaults...
[22:56] <gdea73> Ampix0: I'm familiar with Minecraft servers, and a bit of Ubuntu, hardly any Java. :D
[22:56] <jefimenko> i'm reading the upstart docs which say that adding "console output" to an upstart conf connects the standard input, output, and error file descriptors to /dev/console
[22:56] <pragmaticenigma> Ampix0: No, the issue is with how you have your server configured for minecraft...
[22:56] <jefimenko> now i have no idea how to read from /dev/console
[22:56] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: that's what I just did; the laptop now runs with the open source drivers.
[22:57] <pragmaticenigma> Ampix0: If there was an issue with Ubuntu or java, then there would be bigger issues with your machine right now
[22:57] <gdea73> what I need to do though is edit *catalyst*'s file to switch to discrete graphics, except I am not running fglrx at the moment, and the only way I *can* is with the BIOS switch off.
[22:57] <meerkats> I need to extract 6k .zip files. Problem is: everytime the machine find and error in any directory, it stops. I want it to extract all, disregarding the errors (Or, not extracting the ones containing mistakes, but extracting the rest)
[22:57] <CFHowlett> meerkats   you should be able to navigate inside the archive and extract individual files ...
[22:58] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: It's really sounding like through all the trial and error something is configured and it's nearing the point where a reinstall might be necassary
[22:58] <Praxi> in Nautilus, is there any way for me to copy files to a protected folder without dropping to terminal to run a sudo?
[22:58] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: haha, I'll buy that. Okay I'll uninstall fgrlx and try to reinstall it.
[22:58] <gdea73> but the problem is I got "stuck" by switching to the onboard graphics via Catalyst. That's bad, because I'm going to be able to need to switch.
[22:58] <pragmaticenigma> The problem is the config files may not leave when you uninstall
[22:58] <Krambiorix> how can i disable the automatic logout in 11.10?
[22:59] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: There is no automatic logout
[22:59] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, mine does
[22:59] <Krambiorix> after 10 mins
[22:59] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: You will need to be more specific... are you actually seeing the login screen after 10 min or just a prompt to enter your password?
[23:00] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, okok prompt to enter pass
[23:00] <meerkats> CFHowlett, Im talking about 6,000 files here
[23:00] <nowhereFast> is this considered correct for deleting all except a specific directory: rm -rf $(ls 2>/dev/null | grep -vx dirname)
[23:00] <meerkats> well, folders
[23:00] <gdea73> I'll run an apt-get purge after the uninstall script. Though wait I imagine part of it is in my home folder...
[23:00] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: That's your screensaver locking your desktop when your away
[23:00] <CFHowlett> meerkats   ow.  Forget I suggested it.
[23:00] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, where can i change that? I use gnome classic
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: yeah... are you installing fglrx through apt-get?
[23:01] <jefimenko> does anyone know how to read std output and std error on /dev/console?
[23:01] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   system>preferences>screensaver>"lock screen..."
[23:01] <pragmaticenigma> Thank you CF
[23:01] <jefimenko> i've been googling and cannot find out
[23:01] <CFHowlett> pragmaticenigma   no problem
[23:01] <Krambiorix> CFHowlett, i don't have system>pref.....
[23:01] <gdea73> I installed fglrx via AMD's auto-installer as advised by someone helping me last night.
[23:02] <imbezol> meerkats: you have a dir with 6000 zips in it?
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: K- then apt-get purge will not get rid of your configuration files
[23:02] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   the exact language might differ, but you do have a preferences tab.  I can't say exactly as I'm on 10.04
[23:02] <pragmaticenigma> nowhereFast: that is not appropriate for this chat room
[23:03] <meerkats> imbezol, yes
[23:03] <nowhereFast> heh
[23:03]  * nowhereFast shakes his head
[23:03] <imbezol> meerkats: find /dir -name '*.zip' -exec unzip {} \;
[23:03] <gdea73> ok
[23:03] <nowhereFast> n/p
[23:04] <Krambiorix> damn ubuntu 11.10 sucks
[23:04] <ikonia> Krambiorix: if you don't like it, don't use it
[23:04] <Krambiorix> i better stayed on 10.04
[23:04] <Ibogaine> anyone know how to get Vidaldi to work (tor) ?
[23:04] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   x/l/k/ubuntu are available
[23:04] <CFHowlett> Krambiorix   although I completely agree about using LTS only ...
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: If you having trouble, you really need to be more specific about the setup of your machine... Gnome is not installed by default in ubuntu 11.10 so you have already done some configuration to your system which would make it difficult to trouble shoot
[23:05] <Krambiorix> pragmaticenigma, yeah i use GNOME 3 classic
[23:05] <Fyodorovna> Ibogaine, you can download a browser all set to work from tor.
[23:05] <gdea73> Krambiorix: as do I prefer Ubuntu 10. I didn't like Unity or Gnome 3 a lot
[23:05] <CFHowlett> 11.10 screensaver settings?  Need to disable password lock - plz send to krmabiorix
[23:05] <gdea73> and gnome classic was always problematic anyway
[23:05] <meerkats> imbezol, wont that just unzip one fiel at a time?
[23:05] <Ibogaine> fyodorovna I would like it to work with XChat though
[23:05] <meerkats> file*
[23:05] <savage> can I install an old postgresql version (8.3) on Ubuntu 10.04?
[23:05] <pragmaticenigma> Krambiorix: That would have been benificial to know up front... CF gave instructions for Gnome 2
[23:05] <savage> What should I add to my sources.list?
[23:06] <imbezol> meerkats: isn't that what you want?
[23:06] <Krambiorix> but where is the preferences in 11.10?
[23:06] <fman23> click the power cog in the upper right for preferences
[23:06] <pragmaticenigma> savage: Not recommended as older versions may not have all security patches applied
[23:07] <savage> I understand, but I have a project that depends on pgsql 8.3 :\
[23:07] <zooko> WilsonBradley: I don't have a Windows box.
[23:07] <Praxi> gnome-tweak-tool Krambiorix?
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> chill Krambiorix, if someone knows they will answer when they can
[23:07] <zooko> WilsonBradley: have you made a USB drive that could boot Macbook Pro before?
[23:07] <Krambiorix> Praxi, nope
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: not the right solution
[23:07] <Praxi> only caught half the conversation
[23:07] <zooko> I guess I'll try this again: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How%20to%20install%20Ubuntu%20on%20MacBook%20using%20USB%20Stick
[23:07] <fman23> savage: why can it not use a newer version of postgreslq?
[23:07] <WilsonBradley> No, but have heard of it
[23:07] <fman23> postgresql*
[23:07] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: He needs help finding the screensaver settings for Gnome 3 to disable the screen saver password
[23:08] <WilsonBradley> I have a Hackentosh install on an MSI Netbook
[23:08] <savage> fman: Ask the guys in stanford :p http://dbpubs.stanford.edu:8011/doku.php/trio:install
[23:08] <Praxi> there aren't any settings unless you installed xscreensaver
[23:08] <CFHowlett> WilsonBradley   see it would have really helped to mention that sooner.
[23:08] <janusz2> Hi, is it possible to block a process (like a text editor) from accessing other files, executing scripts etc. ? If yes, then what's the simplest way to do it ?
[23:08] <CFHowlett> WilsonBradley   let's talk ...
[23:08] <fman23> savage: have you tried it with a newer version?
[23:08] <Praxi> thats one of the big complaints about gnome-screensaver, no settings that a normal sane person can get to
[23:08] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: that is not correct... Gnome 3 uses it's own Screensaver engine
[23:08] <WilsonBradley> K
[23:08] <savage> fman23: yes, it fails with an error
[23:08] <CFHowlett> WilsonBradley   see my tutorial  http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=212837&st=0#entry1427797
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> Praxi: and gnome 3 can at least let a person disable the scren lock when the screensaver is active
[23:09] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: I have removed all traces of fglrx and according system changes it made. Now rebooting with the open source drivers. Can you help me get the proprietary ones configured right this time?
[23:09] <WilsonBradley> ok
[23:09] <savage> fman23: something like this   ERROR: incompatible library "/usr/lib/postgresql/8.4/lib/triospi.so": version mismatch DETAIL: Server is version 8.4, library is version 8.3. ' in '/* *
[23:09] <hansel> eww
[23:09] <Praxi> too bad I can't change the screensaver in gnome =/
[23:09] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I really have never had luck installing or working with those drivers... have always stuck with the default installed
[23:10] <Ibogaine> anyone running linux distro on a ASUS EEE 1000H ? everyone says its neat but I find so many distros incredible slow
[23:10] <Praxi> the new gnome-screensaver might be a step in the right direction, but the inability of a normal person to effect it without reading way too many man pages is stupid for new users
[23:10] <meerkats> imbezol, well, I wanted to extract all th 6000 files with just one command
[23:10] <meerkats> darn
[23:10] <meerkats> folders
[23:10] <gdea73> oh, well I don't have much hope running the open source drivers... can anyone else help me get fglrx installed?
[23:11] <Praxi> messed with it for hours today before I finally game up and installed xscreensaver and can control my screensaver again lol.
[23:11] <imbezol> meerkats: you have 6000 zips or 6000 folders full of zips? lol.. confused
[23:11] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: the open source drivers do not allow any true hardware acceleration, and the resolution is locked at 1024x768 on a 1366x768 display.
[23:11] <fman23> savage: well you have two options, either work with getting postgresql installed or compile trio for the latest postgresql
[23:11] <imbezol> meerkats: the command i gave will search a dir for .zip files and extract them all
[23:11] <webereinc> Hello! - anyone run 11.10 under VirtualBox?
[23:11] <fman23> postgresql 8.3 installed*
[23:11] <pragmaticenigma> I am aware of the limitation gdea73... though you can fix resolution problems manually... the accerlation is harder
[23:12] <meerkats> sorry imbezol , it appears now there are both files and folders, but the vast majority are folders, ZIP folders
[23:12] <fman23> oh wait
[23:12] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: and it's important to me that 3D acceleration works on this. If I didn't want to use 3D acceleration, I would use my Inspiron for everything, which I currently do ;)
[23:12] <imbezol> meerkats: you mean folders with zips in them? or do you zips with folders in them? lol
[23:13] <webereinc> Under Virtualbox, my Ubuntu 11.10 is locked at video resolution off 800x600 with no other options... any thoughts anyone?
[23:13] <gdea73> the only computing activity that would work (hopefully at all), solely on the IdeaPad would be Minecraft.
[23:13] <fman23> savage: if you would like to isntall older versions of packages, use synaptic
[23:13] <pragmaticenigma> pesky games
[23:13] <fman23> savage: it has full support for package downgrading
[23:13] <masen> webereinc: have you installed guest additions?
[23:13] <gdea73> haha well they're no the ones causing the problems, they just are my reason for wanting to solve them
[23:13] <webereinc> masen: yep
[23:13] <KM0201> whats the command to move a folder (with data) to another location?   mv /path/to/folder /path/to/destination   keep stelling me "the directory is not empty" so i'm assuming i'm missing a switch
[23:13] <gdea73> * not; such an annoying typo
[23:13] <ThatGuy85> Question for Ubuntu 11.10 using lubuntu.
[23:13] <webereinc> masen: but I don't know how to check if they are 'being used'
[23:14] <meerkats> imbezol, zips with folders in them
[23:14] <CFHowlett> webereinc   did you install guest additions?
[23:14] <imbezol> meerkats: ah.. it doesn't matter what's in the zips.. it will extract everything
[23:14] <ThatGuy85> Files that I copy from a usb voice recorder are 10x larger on disk.
[23:15] <webereinc> CFHowlett: Yes - they are installed, but I don't know how to verify that they are being 'used'
[23:15] <gdea73> okay I got fglrx installed. Here's my current plan which I think may work (!!)
[23:15] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: have you seen this post? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1820686
[23:15] <Loshki> KM0201: does /path/to/destination/folder already exist?
[23:15] <ThatGuy85> Total file size: 9.5. size on disk 75gb
[23:15] <KM0201> Loshki: of course
[23:15] <gdea73> ah okay
[23:15] <KM0201> i jsut did cp and it seems to work, so i'll just delete the old folder
[23:15] <gdea73> so since both GPUs use the same driver, which apparently doesn't support GPU switching (though it says it does), I'll just do it manually.
[23:16] <gdea73> oh wait, crap, purple screen on boot -_-
[23:16] <gdea73> wow, I get absolutely nothing, it hangs at a purple screen.
[23:16] <fman23> All of the sudden my file's names were replaced with ECRYPT_FENK_ENCRYPTED.FWYU-<random ascii characters>.  This happened in the middle of an sftp session.  Does anyone know what might have caused this and how i can remedy this without stopping any services running as the user?
[23:16] <masen> wbereinc: do you get mouse pointer integration?
[23:16] <webereinc> masen: yes, the mouse is working just fine!
[23:17] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I have a feeling something is still reading a rogue config file... you might be better served starting from scratch completely?
[23:17] <Loshki> KM0201: then you can't mv /path/to/folder /path/to/destination because that will try to create 'folder' within 'destination', which already exists, so the move fails. You can maybe do mv /path/to/folder/* /path/to/destination/folder instead...
[23:17] <savage> fman23: thanks i'll try that
[23:17] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: oh God no, not another reformat *shudder*
[23:17] <KM0201> Loshki: thats what i ended up doing
[23:17] <fman23> savage: np, btw would u happen to know the cause of my problem?
[23:17] <KM0201> i didn't think about that before
[23:17] <gdea73> I explained my WiFi driver troubles; I had to compile the module manually and that was a complete pain. I'm hoping I won't have to do that.
[23:18] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: when it's a new install... sometimes that the best option... makes everything clean from the start
[23:18]  * KM0201 needs to get better at command line
[23:18] <ThatGuy85> Question for Ubuntu 11.10 using lubuntu. Files that I copy from a usb voice recorder are 10x larger on disk. Total file size: 9.5gb. size on disk 75.7gb
[23:18] <gdea73> though it appears to be that, I'm getting a purple screen again.
[23:18] <gdea73> well... crap.
[23:18] <Loshki> KM0201: the commandline stuff can be tricky, but worth learning, IMHO...
[23:18] <KM0201> yea.
[23:18] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I really think you should try a newer release of Ubuntu... also, make sure you have backports enabled if you are going to continue trying to run older versions of Ubuntu... at least it will help get newer driver and software versions
[23:18] <gdea73> and yet I'm prevented by my extreme hatred for Windows 7 from using Windows at all so I think in the mean time I'll just have to deal.
[23:19] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: well I guess, it's just that I honestly don't care about recency of software, I just want something that works. And I love Gnome 2, and have a hard time with all other DE's. Even LXDE doesn't suit my needs just right, and it's far more difficult to configure and customize.
[23:19] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Also, consider one of the other non-unity installs... you can always install your preferred GUI after the fact
[23:20] <gdea73> well I guess, though I may consider trying Arch since I'd have to set up the DE myself anyway.
[23:20] <Mongoose> bought a larger monitor today. Running Natty. How do I change and make the fonts for "Applications Places and System larger to fit the larger screen. Big screen and present font size the size of a tick.
[23:20] <gdea73> if I'm going to have to go DIY, I might as well really DI-myself. Not like LFS, but close :D
[23:20] <pragmaticenigma> I would just try Lubuntu first... you can use apt-get to install Gnome 2 once your up and running
[23:20] <gdea73> always wanted to try LFS, but I figured that might be a waste of my life,
[23:20] <ikonia> gdea73: do you have an ubuntu issue /
[23:20] <ikonia> gdea73: what are you talking about
[23:20] <gdea73> I've tried Lubuntu on some other machines and always had a hard time with installation
[23:20] <gdea73> ikonia: fglrx troubles on my APU based laptop with hybrid graphics.
[23:21] <ikonia> gdea73: right - so how is swapping distros going to fix that ?
[23:21] <gdea73> and furthermore Lubuntu wouldn't recognize my USB printer on my other PC. Ubuntu did so just fine.
[23:21] <heizmann> Hi all, I'm trying to booting (live usb) to an encrypted "squashfs" from USB... I've found this method: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1428720 but "kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
[23:21] <gdea73> ikonia: it's not necessarily going to
[23:21] <gdea73> but if I'm going to reformat, I might as well try something else/different
[23:21] <ikonia> right - so what are you going on about ?
[23:21] <ikonia> ok - bye then
[23:22] <gdea73> haha I don't mean to dismiss the Ubuntu crowd, well...
[23:22] <ikonia> you're not dismisisng it, you can use what you like
[23:22] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: just so you know... the only difference between Ubuntu and Lubuntu is the DE... everything else should be exactly the same... and DE has nothing to do with Driver support for hardware
[23:22] <ikonia> I just don't think the channel needs to hear about your plans
[23:22] <heizmann> Is it because my initrd.gz doesn't include the cryptsetup program? Or modules non loaded?
[23:22] <heizmann> :-/ casper is nice, but a little bit strong... ^^'
[23:22] <Lirth> I just found an article on Anonymous-OS which is supposed to be based on Ubuntu 11.10. Has anyone tried it out and seen if this is true?
[23:22] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: well that's odd, maybe it was because of the USB/chipset used on the other PC. The same printer worked fine under Ubuntu on my new desktop. On the older one (Lubuntu) it isn't recognized at all. But that's a minor issue, I'll fix it later.
[23:23] <gdea73> And I would consider Lubuntu except I like my current Compiz, etc. configuration.
[23:23] <gdea73> I think I'll most likely just reformat using 10.04 or 10.10; just for the sake of fixing fglrx. I won't stray too far from what I was doing. ;)
[23:23] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I'm telling you all that is still possible... your just starting with Lubuntu to get things up and running... the rest can come when you have a stable system
[23:24] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: that's a very valid point. Though in that case I suppose I'd just run 11.10 and then install gnome2 with apt-get from there... oh but I see it would only cause more problems to have Unity when I don't need/want it.
[23:24] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: I think your too caught up on the eye-candy to really solve the problem... getting rid of the extras and getting the driver working is why I'm pressing that you try Lubuntu or Xubuntu
[23:24] <ikonia> gdea73: you won't get gnome 2 on 11.10
[23:25] <savage> fman23: I have no clue, sorry
[23:25] <gdea73> ikonia: but if I use X/Lubuntu 11.10, can I?
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: You can install it manually
[23:25] <ikonia> gdea73: no, gnome 2 is dead
[23:25] <gdea73> :/
[23:25] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: ubuntu ships with gtk3
[23:25] <john_doe_jr> does anyone know of software for news groups ? like a news group reader or something like that?
[23:25] <DX099> jrib, hello again
[23:25] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: It is still possible to get Gnome 2 installed... there are plenty of articles on how to do it
[23:25] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: what repos have it in ?
[23:26] <gdea73> I guess I could try x/lubuntu, it's just that I figure that if it's remotely possible to get fglrx working with the version I'm used to, I might as well keep it that way...?
[23:26] <ikonia> the sooner you let go of gnome 2, the better, it's dead
[23:26] <ikonia> gdea73: lubuntu/kubuntu/ubuntu all use the same kernel
[23:26] <gdea73> ikonia: you're speaking to someone using his Win98 laptop with Opera 11 ontop of KernelEx to use IRC.
[23:26] <john_doe_jr> anybody?
[23:26] <gdea73> lol
[23:26] <ikonia> gdea73: sopping the desktop won't make fglrx work
[23:26] <ikonia> gdea73: how has your laptop running window 98 got anything to do with it ?
[23:27] <gdea73> I'm just explaining that I don't like to let go of old software, at least not until it's utterly unusable :D
[23:27] <gdea73> (and old hardware for that matter... I need to clean out my "RAM drawer")
[23:28] <Pasq89> hello guys. anybody knows if there is a bug in getpwuid function? (memory leak)
[23:28] <gdea73> I was just emphasizing that I like to use unsupported hacks to run older software. I like old software, if it works well enough. I always found Win98 worked great, at least on this machine.
[23:28] <gdea73> (well I guess *like* is strong, but *am willing*)
[23:28] <gdea73> well I'm going to reformat and try it right afterward, if I get the same type of problem I suppose I will try X/Lubuntu 11.10. I have a Lubuntu disc as well, so can't hurt to try both.
[23:28] <pragmaticenigma> firealarm ... gotta go
[23:28] <gdea73> pragmaticenigma: lol RUN!
[23:29] <gdea73> I'll be AFK for a little while while I install
[23:29] <Pasq89> try Xubuntu first...
[23:29] <heizmann> Hi all, I'm trying to booting (live usb) to an encrypted "squashfs" from USB... I've found this method: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1428720 but "kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"... any ideas?
[23:30] <Pasq89> anybody knows if the bug about memory leak still exists in getpwuid? (it turns user id number to username string, as found in passwd)
[23:30] <gdea73> and ikonia, the reason I was considering Arch is the only source I have, a Newegg review, said that WiFi and 3D acceleration / hybrid grahpics were working great after some configuration. That's what sort of inspired me to consider it.
[23:31] <ikonia> gdea73: I'm not really interested, I'm here to help you with ubuntu
[23:31] <ikonia> you can use what you want
[23:32] <gdea73> ikonia: okay, and that's great, I was just explaining what gave me that thought. But if it works on anything Linux hopefully it will work on Ubuntu. Back to finding my CDs...
[23:47]  * pragmaticenigma "and we're back"
[23:48] <dr3mro> hello , will ubuntu start to use wayland on 12.10 ?
[23:48] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: It's uncertain when wayland will make it's debut... it was supposed to arrive with 11.10
[23:48] <Mongoose> Need to change screen resolution in Natty. Went to System/Preferences but there is no screen resolution. Please help
[23:48] <dr3mro> ubuntu 12.04 has wayland on it's repositories
[23:48] <totesmuhgoats> i thought wayland was far from ready still
[23:48] <DX099> I'm getting a "Not authorized to control networking" with nm-applet on Ubuntu 11.10. How come ?
[23:49] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, which GPU do u have?
[23:49] <pragmaticenigma> !natty
[23:49] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, nvidiea?
[23:49] <Mongoose> what is a gpu?
[23:49] <Multbrelch> :)
[23:49] <Mongoose> haha
[23:49] <gdea73> Mongoose: display adapter, graphics card, video card, any combination of those words, really?
[23:49] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, do u have a nvidea graphics card?
[23:49] <gdea73> * didn't intend the question mark.
[23:49] <fman23> gpu= graphics processing unit
[23:50] <gdea73> or that, fman23 lol
[23:50] <Mongoose> ok,,,,
[23:50] <fman23> like a cpu but specializes in geometric transformation
[23:50] <gdea73> What is your computer's make/model? Desktop/laptop?
[23:50] <Mongoose> don;t know,, only one motherboard and what ever is on it
[23:50] <Mongoose> asus,,,
[23:50] <gdea73> is this a custom-built desktop?
[23:50] <Multbrelch> asus wot ...
[23:50] <zooko> Sigh... I feel like giving up. Guess I'll take a break and wrap a birthday present book.
[23:50] <Mongoose> P5G4IC-M
[23:50] <pragmaticenigma> zooko: what was your question?
[23:50] <fman23> All of the sudden my file's names were replaced with ECRYPT_FENK_ENCRYPTED.FWYU-<random ascii characters>.  This happened in the middle of an sftp session.  Does anyone know what might have caused this and how i can remedy this without stopping any services running as the user?
[23:50] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, totesmuhgoats i can't wait to see it , I wish I can shutdown without seeing the ugly text on screen .. and i can switch vt without flickering and move windows on screen smoother .. compiz will be rewritten and made as a plugin from wayland and unity is  a plugin for compiz and x will run on compiz to draw the screen
[23:51] <Mongoose> says,,,
[23:51] <Mongoose> intel gma x4500 gpu
[23:51] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: How old is your machine... I do not experience any of those issues with my current setup
[23:51] <fman23> btw, my problem is on ubuntu 11.04 server edition
[23:51] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, this seems to be a motherboard ... - ah, k intel
[23:51] <Mongoose> ok
[23:51] <fman23> i would restart but i cant right now
[23:52] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, about 4 ,, it's 2006 model but i bought it in nov 2007
[23:52] <Mongoose> no other cards on it
[23:52] <gdea73> If I decide to use Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, is there a way to use the newer Gnome 2 theme from 10.10 on it? I assume it would be releatively easy. And would it be wiser to use 10.04 than 10.10?
[23:52] <Mongoose> graphic card that is
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: Wayland is unlikely to fix those issues... especially garbage text on boot and shutdown (those are handled by a completly different setup)
[23:52] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, and preferences -> monitors does not work?
[23:52] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, intel dualcore 1.86 /2MB cache vga intel i945 128MB RAM 3GB and HDD 160
[23:52] <pragmaticenigma> gdea73: Make sure you enable backports
[23:53] <Mongoose> please hold ,,checking
[23:53] <gdea73> okay.
[23:53] <ikonia> gdea73: I'd suggest not enabling backports
[23:53] <Multbrelch> menu -> preferences ...
[23:53] <Mongoose> ah, there it is
[23:53] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: The issue is your graphics card... there is limited support
[23:53] <ikonia> you should only use backports if you NEED a back port
[23:53] <Multbrelch> and, Mongoose
[23:53] <Mongoose> should have known
[23:53] <Multbrelch> ?
[23:53] <Mongoose> yes
[23:53] <FuZi0N> Can someone please help me install VMware player in Ubuntu 10.04? I tried downloading it and doing sudo sh VMware-Player-4.0.2-591240.i386.bundle and the install screen comes up and completed completely fine, but when I try and open VMware player, it brings me to a screen asking me to add some files to the "VMware kernal modul updater".
[23:53] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, problem solved ?
[23:53] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, no that waht i read .. wayland will host more than one x session at same time and will control the transition between screen saver , log screen and plymouth and so on
[23:53] <Mongoose> yes Multbrelch, thank you
[23:54] <Multbrelch> Mongoose, so u can change resolution, right ?
[23:54] <Mongoose> yes sir
[23:54] <Multbrelch> :)
[23:54] <Multbrelch> good
[23:54] <Mongoose> :))
[23:54] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: That's all done in software... you still need the hardware to support all the bells and whistles... the driver support for that chipset on linux is limited... therefore Wayland may not perform any better than X did
[23:54] <Mongoose> your a good man thanks
[23:54] <Multbrelch> all of us
[23:54] <Mongoose> rr
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> i945 does not have hardware acceleration which is what compiz and wayland will require for transitions and other effects
[23:55] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, but right now i can't affort a new hardware or any time soon
[23:55] <pragmaticenigma> dr3mro: either disable compiz, or upgrade your hardware
[23:56] <schnuffle> FuZi0N: Did you run vmware-config.pl?
[23:56] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, would you suggest me a laptop model that runs unity fast and be chep
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> I wouldn't suggest running linux on a laptop
[23:56] <ikonia> what ?
[23:56] <pragmaticenigma> at least not if you want to be productive
[23:56] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, why /
[23:56] <schnuffle> FuZi0N: Oh the latest doesn't have the tool anymore
[23:57] <psusi> pragmaticenigma, I'm pretty sure it does... it might not be very fast acceleration, but it should be enough for desktop effects
[23:57] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, why ?
[23:57] <Praxi> FuZi0N, does this look like your problem at the top?  http://communities.vmware.com/message/1552802
[23:57] <ikonia> Linux is excellent on laptops that have supported hardware
[23:57] <dr3mro> ikonia, +1
[23:57] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: Key words there... "supported hardware"... do you know how hard it is to find that on a laptop
[23:57] <ikonia> very easy
[23:57] <Multbrelch> There is not much action in this channel here => Ubuntu becomes better and better !!! Good to see ....
[23:58] <dr3mro> pragmaticenigma, any centrino laptop should work
[23:58] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: I've never owned a laptop that is not fully supported and all my laptops are from main brands,
[23:58] <dr3mro> ikonia, +1
[23:58] <Quantum_Ion> ikonia, Wow I wish I had a Lenovo Thinkpad or a Toshiba laptop
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: I have main branded laptops too and they have had their issues... graphics and wireless in particular....
[23:58] <ikonia> then that's your issue for not checking hardware compatability before buying
[23:58] <schnuffle> expect for the power management
[23:58] <pragmaticenigma> ikonia: this is offtopic anyways... so lets move on
[23:58] <Jordan_U> pragmaticenigma: http://zareason.com/shop/Laptops/
[23:59] <Praxi> thats funny I say the exact opposite, every laptop I have ever owned has had some problem with linux, and they are all major brands :)
[23:59] <ikonia> pragmaticenigma: it's not offtopic, you're telling the channel nosense about Linux not being productive on laptops,
[23:59] <Quantum_Ion> Praxi, Old laptops work the best with Linux
[23:59] <FuZi0N> yes
[23:59] <FuZi0N> but how can i fix it?
[23:59] <ikonia> what ?
[23:59] <ikonia> stop making things up
[23:59] <dr3mro> my laptop works fine and supported but only i have issue with fn keys that i found a patch to fix it and it didn't fix since 2009 .. and i got a new usb modem that didn't work and i did create udev rule file to make it work .. only issue is memory usage is abit high some times up to 700MB