[01:15] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm proofreading the KDE docs for Precise Pangolin. I noticed that sometimes an apostrophe is ' and other times it's &apos; and I was wondering if they should all be one of those, and if so, which one. (:
[01:29] <littlegirl> I rewrote that section so that it doesn't use an apostrophe at all, but in case anyone comes across this while I'm still logged in here, I did a recursive grep of all the documentation and see many examples of 
[01:30] <littlegirl> ' being uses, but very few examples of &apos; being used, and it looks like &apos; gets used when the apostrophe is right next to some other markup (like an angled bracket or a semi-colon, for example).
[03:13] <ScottK> Darkwing: ^^^
[05:45] <Darkwing> littlegirl: ping
[05:48] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Hey there. (:
[05:49] <Darkwing> You were looking for me? I just popped in for a bit before bed.
[05:51] <littlegirl> Yeah, I was wondering whether ' or &apos; should be used consistently. I notice there are more ' than &apos; and the &apos; seem to always be used near brackets or other markup. Is that the rule for those?
[05:51] <Darkwing> No, not really
[05:52] <littlegirl> Also, is there a set rule or viewpoint on when or whether to add a blank line between elements?
[05:52] <littlegirl> Do you prefer ' over &apos; or the other way around? I'd be happy to make the docs consistent one way or another. (:
[05:52] <Darkwing> I perfer '
[05:52] <Darkwing> I can read it better.
[05:53] <Darkwing> as for the lines... I do like neat code but it's close to impossable to train people to do that.
[05:53] <littlegirl> Same. Should I replace the &apos; ones with '? There aren't very many when I did a recursive grep. (:
[05:53] <littlegirl> Darkwing: I'd be happy to do it however you like it. If you'd like it all indented, I can go through all of them and indent them. Or if you'd like a blank line between every element or between specific elements, just let me know and I can rip through them all and do it. (:
[05:53] <Darkwing> I like the indents... However, it's not that important.
[05:54] <Darkwing> Thanks littlegirl :)
[05:54] <littlegirl> My delay today has been being accepted by Launchpad (that took a while) and realizing I had deleted my beta copy of Kubuntu. I just got done reinstalling it in VirtualBox and it's still updating. (:
[05:54] <littlegirl> Darkwing: Any time. Just let me know how you'd like them. (:
[05:55] <Darkwing> :D I'll be back tomorrow evening. Till then I'm finally getting some sleep... My kids seen to be over this little stomach bug so, I can finally sleep. :)
[08:53] <Riddell> Darkwing: will you look into https://code.launchpad.net/~littlergirl/kubuntu-docs/manage-software/+merge/98039 ?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:56] <rbelem> hi Riddell 
[13:57] <rbelem> Riddell, i will work now to close kubuntu-active bugs
[14:38] <Peace-> aloa
[14:47] <BluesKaj> hey Peace-
[14:48] <Peace-> BluesKaj: hi
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Err http://ppa.launchpad.net precise/main amd64 Packages
[15:37] <BluesKaj>   404  Not Found
[15:39] <shadeslayer> whut
[15:39] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: what ppa is that?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/precise/main/source/Sources 
[15:40] <shadeslayer> txwikinger: bulldog98 thanks! :D
[15:41] <shadeslayer> well
[15:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: backports doesn't have precise pacakges yet
[15:41] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:41] <shadeslayer> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu/dists/
[15:42] <shadeslayer> I'm guessing you upgraded and re enabled that PPA right?
[15:43] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer,  yes ,thanks I was trying to install a ppa that depends on the backports 
[15:43] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:44] <BluesKaj> this app , btw http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/oxygen-appmenu-replace-menu-with.html ..it's meant for 11.10 , but i thought I could try anyway :)
[15:44] <shadeslayer> *click*
[15:46] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: well, as a workaround you could download the oneiric packages and install using dpkg
[15:47] <shadeslayer> but that's what it is, a workaround, best to contact upstream and ask him if he could package it for precise
[15:48] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, yeah , I considered that , but it's no biggie, I can wait 
[15:48] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:53] <BluesKaj> fixed my esata to sata connection, the connector wasn't seated properly in the mobo sata connector , a small piece of plastic was still stuck in the connector , that had to be trimmed out.
[15:54] <BluesKaj> not very impressive "Quality Control" there
[16:25] <Peace->  wallpaper :D http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/17/plasma-desktopqG5045.png
[16:32] <Riddell> rbelem: lovely
[17:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: ping
[17:36] <shadeslayer> yofel: need lplib halp
[17:38] <tsimpson> lplib?
[17:38] <tsimpson> is that launchpadlib?
[17:38] <shadeslayer> yes
[17:39] <tsimpson> I have played with it, mostly the bug parts though (for ubottu)
[17:39] <shadeslayer> hmm, I need help with PPA stuff :)
[17:40] <shadeslayer> Need a way to fetch the build logs ....
[17:40] <shadeslayer> but I've never used the launchpadlib API, so I'm utterly lost
[17:41] <tsimpson> do you have the API docs?
[17:41] <tsimpson> https://launchpad.net/+apidoc/1.0.html
[17:41] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: I'm looking at https://help.launchpad.net/API/launchpadlib
[17:41] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:42] <tsimpson> you mostly just take off any _link or _collection_link and you have the Python binding
[17:43] <tsimpson> and remember to name parameters when calling a method, that usually trips me up
[17:43] <shadeslayer> there's a build_log_url .. but I'm not sure how to use it ...;
[17:44] <tsimpson> it looks to be just a link, so just fetch it I guess
[17:45] <shadeslayer> uh, not what I meant, what I meant was, how do I construct the appropriate launchpad object in order to use build_log_url
[17:46] <shadeslayer> I'm lost at the very beginning, I can figure out the rest, just can't figure out how to get a list of launchpad objects that would represent each package in a PPA
[17:47] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: looks like you call .getBuildRecords() on the PPA (archive)
[17:48] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:48] <tsimpson> getBuildRecords() returns a "list" of build objects, so one could: lp.people['tsimpson'].ppas[0].getBuildRecords()[0].build_log_url
[17:49] <shadeslayer> okay, thanks! I believe I've figured it now
[17:49] <tsimpson> :)
[17:50] <Darkwing> Riddell: Yes, planning on doing that today.
[18:13] <shadeslayer> uhh
[18:13] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: how does one read a tempfile in python?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> hmm .. the only way I can think of is by sending the name of the file to open
[18:16] <tsimpson> yeah, just open it manually
[18:17] <shadeslayer> cool
[18:20] <shadeslayer> god damnit I keep putting ; after every line
[18:21] <tsimpson> I do that too, but python doesn't really care about them anyway
[18:21] <tsimpson> well, most of the time
[18:22] <jalcine> shadeslayer: !!! 
[18:22] <jalcine> that happens to me all the time!
[18:22] <shadeslayer> like srsly
[18:22] <shadeslayer> what sane language does not have a ';' which indicates the end of a line
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:23] <tsimpson> the same language that uses white-space indentation for blocks
[18:23] <shadeslayer> :P
[18:23] <jalcine> It's so dangerous at times..
[18:23] <shadeslayer> now to figure out how to read 3 lines in quick succession
[18:24] <jalcine> "Did I close that 'if' block?"
[18:40] <BluesKaj> heh, google-earth is actually working on 12.04 .. google maps is practically the same now tho
[18:53] <schnelle_> JontheEchidna: hi jonathan. I am using latest muon 1.3.0 in oneiric and muon fails to install kernel image debs from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/. It installs header debs just fine but when I try to install image deb install button is grayed out 
[18:53] <schnelle_> http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3O/nR/YLguHJI/snapshot22.png
[18:53] <schnelle_> dpkg installs image deb without problems
[18:58] <rbelem> i got a FTBFS on plasma-active, but it seems that the problem is elsewhere "kde-workspace-dev : Depends: libkwinglesutils1 (= 4:4.8.1-0ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed"
[19:01] <Riddell> rbelem: hmm archive skew?
[19:01] <Riddell> rbelem: what arch?
[19:03] <rbelem> Riddell, i386 and amd64
[19:04] <Riddell> rbelem: is this in a PPA?  which?
[19:04] <rbelem> Riddell, kubuntu-active ppa https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+build/3295783 https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+build/3295784
[19:06] <Riddell> rbelem: have you made a chroot and tried to install the build-deps?
[19:07] <rbelem> Riddell, i was building here with dpkg-buildpackages -b
[19:08] <rbelem> Riddell, but i will test now with pbuilder
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> schnelle_: hmm, I can't reproduce :( http://i.imgur.com/IC2jl.png
[19:23] <schnelle_> JontheEchidna: I will test precise daily tomorrow to see if I can reproduce it
[19:23] <schnelle_> maybe something is wrong with my oneiric install
[19:23] <JontheEchidna> for the record, I'm on precise currently
[19:24] <schnelle_> i'll try with deleting muon conf files on oneiric. maybe it'll help :)
[19:24] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Does muon use kdesudo or authkit (or whatever it's called)?
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> Polkit, yeah
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> (well, it's called PolKit and PolicyKit)
[19:25] <JontheEchidna> somewhat inconsistently
[19:27] <JontheEchidna> schnelle_: the deb installer is totally separate from Muon and doesn't use any of its config files, so don't go destroying them for nothing :P
[19:30] <rbelem> Riddell, pbuilder is not working here. it used to work last time i ran it
[19:30] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I suspect a PolicyKit bug then.
[19:30] <ScottK> There's a newer release in precise.
[19:30] <JontheEchidna> oh, for the disabled install button?
[19:30] <ScottK> Yes
[19:30] <ScottK> Permissions issue.
[19:31] <ScottK> (which is why it works on precise)
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> Oh, what the bug probably is is that the deb installer's dependency resolver finds something funky about the precise linux kernel trying to be installed that really turns out to be ok
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> the deb installer will disable the install button if it can't resolve the installation of that package without conflits/breaks
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> or if the package is for the wrong arch, etc
[19:32] <Riddell> rbelem: well it's building let's see if it succeeds https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-active/+archive/ppa/+build/3295784
[19:33] <JontheEchidna> I did notice in schnelle_'s screenshot that the status label didn't say "All dependencies satisfied" like it should, but it also doesn't report any errors, which is a bug
[19:36] <rbelem> Riddell, failed but it is my fault now. uploaded again with fix
[19:40] <Riddell> rbelem: progress :)
[19:57] <rbelem> Riddell, built fine :-)
[19:57] <rbelem> Riddell, could you take a look in the plasma-active-default-settings package?
[19:58] <rbelem> Riddell, is the files path ok?
[20:03] <shadeslayer> sooo .. anyone up for helping me develop a algorithm that snips out info like this : http://paste.kde.org/441986/
[20:03] <shadeslayer> from buildlogs that is
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> Qt Creator has one, I think
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> might try looking in its source code
[20:05] <shadeslayer> well
[20:05] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: I think CMake just prints 5 of -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
[20:06] <shadeslayer> so I guess I could just start reading from the first one , keep adding the line to the buff and then keep a count, as soon as the count hits 5, break
[20:07] <shadeslayer> or read till 'Configuring done'
[20:16] <shadeslayer> erk, doesn't work
[20:16] <DoctorPepper> hi guys!!!
[20:16] <shadeslayer> hi DoctorPepper
[20:17] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: any ideas as to where I should look :P
[20:20] <DoctorPepper> i wondering why the  bug #858970  has yet been fixed on 11.10
[20:21] <DoctorPepper> since the bug has been fixed upstream
[20:22] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:23] <DoctorPepper> is it normal  that virtuoso depends on mono ?
[20:25] <DoctorPepper> a patch is available on the kde bug tracker and  the patch is quite simple to apply 
[20:27] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: give me a couple of minutes, trying to figure out whats wrong
[20:28] <shadeslayer> ok
[20:28] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: Sebastian says the bug is fixed in 6.1.3
[20:28] <shadeslayer> and we have 6.1.3 in precise, so the bug shouldn't really be there
[20:28] <shadeslayer> erm
[20:28] <shadeslayer> s/precise/oneiric
[20:30] <DoctorPepper> i  still have the problem corruption problem 
[20:33] <shadeslayer> sec
[20:33] <shadeslayer> lemme double check
[20:33] <DoctorPepper>  i have 6.1.3  i downloaded the ubuntu source package  and check if the patch was applied  and to my supprise de line of code that are in the patch  are not  in the source file 
[20:34] <Riddell> apachelogger, Quintasan: do you know if launchpad can import a git branch for daily packages?
[20:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes it can
[20:37] <shadeslayer> thanks to jelmer ... he's awesome
[20:38] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:38] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: yep, 6.1.3 is still unpatched
[20:38] <shadeslayer> the patch landed in 6.1.4
[20:39] <shadeslayer> Time for a SRU :D
[20:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know how?
[20:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yus, I've done it before :)
[20:40] <shadeslayer> need to file a bug, ubuntu-sru will approve and then you'll allow the package in
[20:40] <DoctorPepper> shadeslayer:  is it possible to push 6.1.4 into kubuntu-backport
[20:40] <shadeslayer> or I could do that
[20:41] <shadeslayer> I'll still need to do a SRU though
[20:43] <shadeslayer> the question is also whether to SRU just this one patch or the entire 6.1.4 release .... 
[20:44]  * shadeslayer will look at the diff tomorrow
[20:44] <rbelem> Riddell, i uploaded new plasma-active and kubuntu-active-default-settings that should fix one of the three bugs
[20:49] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: thanks for pointing out the bug, I'm on it :)
[20:50] <DoctorPepper> can anyone explain to me  why the virtuoso package depends on mono 
[20:50] <DoctorPepper> you re welcome 
[20:52] <Riddell> rbelem: lovely
[20:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you remember how you did it?
[20:53] <Riddell> or can you point me at an example?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: I have virtuoso-minimal, virtuoso-opensource-6.1-common, and virtuoso-opensource-6.1-bin installed, and none of them pull in mono
[20:53] <shadeslayer> maybe they depend on something that pulls in mono
[20:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sec
[20:55] <shadeslayer> huh, I've only done one SRU till date .. that can't be right
[20:56] <shadeslayer> I remember doing more
[20:56] <shadeslayer> aha
[20:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qoauth/+bug/654241
[20:57] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-yawp/+bug/660537
[21:04] <DoctorPepper> shadeslayer: try to build  from the ubuntu source  package it seems to have a target called virtuoso-opensource-cil 
[21:05] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: yes, if you build it from source, then you'll have to install mono to build it
[21:05] <shadeslayer> libvirtuoso5.5-cil isn't shipped on Kubuntu .... 
[21:05] <DoctorPepper> the issue is that  unable to install mono-devel and mono-xbuild
[21:06] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:06] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: whats the error?
[21:12] <rbelem> Riddell, i didnt see so much improvement
[21:13] <rbelem> Riddell, i will try to get kwin active bug fixed now
[21:13] <DoctorPepper> actually i just found out that packages are installed but when i try build virtuoso  i get the following errors : http://pastebin.com/z3Zdaznr
[21:14] <rbelem> Riddell, apps window are now fullscreen
[21:15] <rbelem> Riddell, i think they are ready to go
[21:16] <rbelem> Riddell, two more issues
[21:16] <rbelem> Riddell, logout is not working
[21:17] <rbelem> Riddell, plasma-device appears as a application. it appears it the task bar
[21:18] <shadeslayer> I think I'm going to kill python 
[21:18] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Python is easy. You're probably over thinking it.
[21:19] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://gist.github.com/2065358 << Explain to me how I'm overthinking this :P
[21:19] <ScottK> What problem are you having?
[21:20] <shadeslayer> well, it parses build logs and checks if optional build deps are missing
[21:20] <shadeslayer> ( made it for neon )
[21:20] <ScottK> Right, but what's the problem with your script?
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Uh, it doesn't say parse the build logs correctly
[21:21] <shadeslayer> for eg for project-neon-ark
[21:21] <shadeslayer> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/91448853/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-amd64.project-neon-ark_2%2Bgit20120130%2Br2431-4~precise1_BUILDING.txt.gz
[21:21] <shadeslayer> konsole output : "Now inspecting project-neon-ark                                                                                                                                                                              
[21:21] <shadeslayer> Now inspecting project-neon-attica"
[21:22] <ScottK> I've never used launchpadlib before, so give me a minute to study this.
[21:22] <shadeslayer> sure
[21:23] <shadeslayer> oooh
[21:23] <shadeslayer> stupid newline
[21:23] <shadeslayer> I had this
[21:23]  * shadeslayer grumbles a bit about new line chars
[21:28] <ScottK> Why do you write the tempfile?
[21:28] <shadeslayer> ScottK: because I don't want it to be stored
[21:28] <shadeslayer> as soon as I'm done with it, it's deleted
[21:29] <ScottK> No, why write it at all.
[21:29] <ScottK> get_http_gzip looks like it returns a file like object, so you can just readline that and be done.
[21:30] <shadeslayer> hmm ... ok, but it'll be stored in the memory right?
[21:31] <shadeslayer> build logs can be huge at times, just thought it would save memory
[21:31] <rbelem> hey guys, do you know how kde-window-manager and kde-window-manager-gles build work?
[21:31] <rbelem> i would like to add one more kde-window-manager-active
[21:32] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Something like http://paste.debian.net/160147/
[21:33] <ScottK> (totally untested)
[21:33] <shadeslayer> logfile = get_http_gzip(build.build_log_url) right?
[21:33] <ScottK> I think so
[21:33] <shadeslayer> right, I'll try that
[21:33] <shadeslayer> just adding more features :P
[21:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why do I care about bug 654241 ?
[21:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: huh? I thought you were asking for SRU examples?
[21:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I wanted to know about importing git branches into launchpad
[21:34] <shadeslayer> oh
[21:34] <shadeslayer> *headdesk*
[21:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://help.launchpad.net/Code/Imports
[21:35] <shadeslayer> import request page : https://code.launchpad.net/+code-imports/+new
[21:35] <shadeslayer> it's a magical thing
[21:35] <Riddell> rbelem: a normal compile of kde-workspace will make both kwin and kwin_gles
[21:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "The URL of the git repository. The HEAD branch will be imported."
[21:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I want to import something other than HEAD
[21:36] <shadeslayer> yes, that can be done as well iirc, sec
[21:36] <shadeslayer> I have that written down somewhere
[21:36] <shadeslayer> in my logs
[21:36] <rbelem> Riddell, hum.. i thought the souce builds twice
[21:37] <rbelem> Riddell, is there a patch for that?
[21:37] <Riddell> rbelem: I think it used to build twice but in kde 4.8 it builds once making two binaries
[21:37] <Riddell> we don't patch it
[21:39] <Riddell> rbelem: so I think we will now have to build it twice again, one normally and once with -DKWIN_PLASMA_ACTIVE=true
[21:44] <rbelem> Riddell, can we make a copy of kwin dir and patch the build system?
[21:44] <Riddell> rbelem: we can just compile it twice
[21:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: <jelmer> shadeslayer: you can add ",branch=BLAH" to the URL to import a specific branch
[21:44] <Riddell> mkdir build-active; cd build-active; cmake -DKWIN_PLASMA_ACTIVE=true ..; cd kwin; make
[21:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah hah
[21:45] <shadeslayer> I lost the logs though, I poked him again :P
[21:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so like this? git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace,branch=foo
[21:45] <shadeslayer> supposedly, yes
[21:46] <shadeslayer> I've never tried it out myself, but I saw the merge request for the feature a long time back
[21:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok set that up, any idea how long it typically takes to import?
[21:46] <shadeslayer> depends on the machine, pear is the faster iirc
[21:47] <Riddell> well I'm in no rush
[21:47] <shadeslayer> but usually within 10-15 minutes
[21:47] <Riddell> thanks for your help
[21:47] <shadeslayer> :)
[21:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yer code doesn't work :P
[21:49] <ScottK> OK.  I told you it's not tested.
[21:49] <ScottK> I'd make it work with a local copy of the logfile first and then try to make retrieving from LP work.
[21:50] <shadeslayer> ohfoey, one bad indent
[21:50] <shadeslayer> still doesn't work
[21:53] <ScottK> You aren't mixing tabs and spaces are you?  That can be a silent killer in Python.
[21:54] <shadeslayer> nope
[21:54] <shadeslayer> this is what works for me : https://gist.github.com/2065358
[21:55] <rbelem> Riddell, oki... will do that
[21:55] <ScottK> OK.
[21:56] <DoctorPepper> shadeslayer:  any idea about my problem with mono ?
[21:56] <shadeslayer> DoctorPepper: nope ... best to ask in #ubuntu-devel
[21:57] <shadeslayer> they would most certainly have a better idea about mono
[21:58] <shadeslayer> clearly my script is still broken
[21:58] <shadeslayer> I'll have a look at this tomorrow
[23:47] <littlegirl> Hey there, I'm editing the contribute.xml document and would like to link to the bugs.xml document. How is that done?