[00:00] sorry was ment to pru [00:00] ;) [00:00] he/she left and my tabcompletion thought I should talk to you hehe [00:02] What irc client do you guys youse? [00:09] mylenthes: I'm using irssi [00:13] k [00:31] Hello from 12.04 Beta1 in Sweden [00:32] And soon Beta2 Is online [00:33] next week I think ? [00:35] Is there any compelling reason I should not upgrade to Pangolin right now? I mean are the outstanding issues livable? [00:36] I use 12.04 beta 1. And no problem [00:37] There's 1 vote of confidence, any more? :-) [00:39] itmannen: how long have you been on 12.04? [00:39] I used 12.04 simce alpha1 [00:41] In the start there whas somproblem. But now It is fast and stabil for me here [00:41] *some [00:43] Hm. Sorry forb the spelling [00:43] *fore [00:43] hello itmannen [00:44] spacebug-: Hi [00:44] lol just figured out irssi is command based [00:44] thats just stupid [00:45] irssi take some time to understand [00:45] Iam learning slow [00:46] spacebug-: Best regards to ubuntu-se :) [00:46] what advantages does it have over a client based irc? [00:46] Nothing special [00:47] But the neards use irssi :) [00:48] And I am a neard. So I have to learn :) [00:49] ;) [01:12] wow, 12.04 is much faster than 11.10 on this underpowered netbook.. [01:13] at least for now, lets see if I can slow it down [01:13] yeah, i noticed that [01:13] firefox will fix that [01:13] zoom tile scale etc. are missing from appearance properties when switching backgrounds... help? [01:13] and two-finder scroll actually works [01:13] after a while [01:13] snadge: I've been using noscript to fix that ;) [01:13] i just use adblock [01:13] (Firefox with JS disabled for most pages actually works really well) [01:14] yeah, that may work too [01:14] i have alcohol poisoning [01:14] heh, good for you :P [01:15] i need bacon and eggs, stat [01:59] When will 12.04 be freezed? [01:59] realubot: About 3 weeks [01:59] itmannen: Ok. Thanks. [01:59] hello realubot ;) [01:59] spacebug-: Hi spacey. [02:00] Anyone has got a release schedule for 12.04? [02:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [02:00] Nice to see friends :) [02:00] spacebug-: Thanks. :) [02:01] I didn't even know about this channel before. [02:01] realubot: The same here [02:02] How about the "thing" that will make Unity 3d run in VirtualBox without support for graphics card 3d effect. Will it be included in the 12.04 release? [02:03] There will be som kind of support that makes 3d effects work in VirtualBox without need of ordinary graphics card support. [02:04] Maybe in the finale. But not now [02:04] It would be great to test Ubuntu in VirtualBox with Unity support. [02:04] itmannen: Ok. [02:05] Will 12.04 using Unity 2d work in VirtualBox? [02:05] I and I should go to bed. Yes I now rel. :) [02:05] itmannen: Coward. [02:05] :D [02:06] itmannen: ;) [02:06] * itmannen hugs The real thing :) [02:07] Coffee time. [02:07] Brother to brother of cource [02:07] itmannen: Haha. [02:07] Goodnight spacebug- and tealubot. See you [02:09] itmannen: Good night! [02:10] gnight. Btw itmannen can you test this one later. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/957489 and press affects me if it does [02:10] Launchpad bug 957489 in unity (Ubuntu) "alt+tab does not work anymore" [Undecided,New] [02:15] Maybe I shall install 12.04 like in 22th mars. When beta2 is in state of freeze. [02:17] well the only thing happening there is that they freeze the packages going in the beta 2 I think [02:17] once installed and you start running upt-get update/upgrade you will get new packages [02:17] spacebug-: Yeah, but until then they will still do some changes. [02:18] Maybe I will just waint until the stable release. [02:18] I'm not in a hurry. [02:18] *wait [02:19] ;) [02:20] I don't really know what's happening in all weeks during the development. [02:22] Is it possible to get date/time on the menu in gnome classic? [02:23] How did you get Gnome Classic on 12.04? o_O [02:24] Oh, gnome-session-fallback? [02:24] It calls it Gnome Classic, that's really all I know :) [02:25] The wife can't take unity. [02:25] Today is 1st of april or what? [02:25] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-desktop-privileges/+bug/812394 [02:25] Launchpad bug 812394 in Ayatana Design "Disable hibernate option by default" [High,Fix released] [02:25] Whats is that? [02:26] And I already week don't know what is going on, blaming KDE upower support for this [02:26] MaximLevitsky, sounds like a request to disable hibernation by default... ;) [02:26] 2012 and power management still blows. [02:27] now, its the ubuntu that blows [02:27] no [02:27] avuton, it's worked fine for me for years [02:27] Not here, I've /never/ had luck with any power management over the years on any of my computers. Not blaming anyone. It's a terrible spec. [02:27] I aleady have a solution, an awesome solution [02:27] Laptops being the exception [02:28] I only use linux now, because I do operation system course now [02:28] Win7 is superb, and I already installed an configured it in the way I like [02:29] And I used linux exclusively for 8 years [02:29] I even wrote a bunch of kernel drivers [02:29] avuton, it's actually a rather good spec... problem is that nobody complies with it ;) [02:30] avuton: http://askubuntu.com/questions/58172/how-to-revert-to-gnome-classic [02:30] Hibernate not working very well is about Linux, not Ubuntu [02:30] vendors keep cranking out broken implementations and the market fails to punish them... largely because they provide windows specific workarounds to their brokenness [02:31] Nope, it does work. In fact it always worked for me on all systems [02:31] Suspend sometimes doesn't work [02:31] I even fixed once very hard suspend bug [02:31] I don't understand that myself... I have NEVER had trouble with hibernation... suspend yes, as it relies on often broken acpi bios... but not hibernation [02:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/160763 [02:32] Launchpad bug 160763 in linux (Ubuntu Maverick) "Acer Aspire 5720 hangs on second resume from suspend, i.e. suspends only once [BIOS PROBLEM]" [Medium,Fix released] [02:32] And another bunch of bugs related to unreliable suspend [02:32] hibernation causes two of the kernel threads on my computer to ping 100% cpu, old problem no one has fixed yet. [02:32] And that what I get in return? [02:33] Everything is broken in this ubuntu. KDE is full of bugs, Gnome shrinks to one big power button [02:33] Compiz is undead with that f*** unity [02:33] You really just damage linux reputation [02:34] I already feel that linux is over the peak, its less used now [02:34] avuton: Another option would be to use Lubuntu as it looks more like Gnome 2 than Unity. [02:34] It had a moment of fame when MS put out Vista [02:34] sad, really sad. [02:35] Don't worry. MS will crash again with 8. [02:36] True, but this time, we have Win7, and ulike XP its a modern OS [02:36] so peoples can keep using it for ages [02:36] Its not possible in linux, because of many reasons [02:37] Just try using an old distro [02:37] Not to mention that Win8 will have Win7 desktop [02:46] MaximLevitsky, can't you just go into gnome-power-settings or something and turn it back on? it sounds like that was how it was supposed to work [02:46] psusi, nope. You have to deal with gconf/dconf or something like that. [02:46] Are you kidding? gnome-power-settings is dry clean of features [02:47] ugh.. I know.. it's been getting worse the last few releases... I tried to patch it last year to put back the ability to lock on hibernate, but not suspend, and the upstream gnome devs rejected it [02:47] it seems like they think people are all idiots and confused by options so it's better to hide things where nobody will find them [02:52] this seems to be the same idiotic mentality that has led to the menu in gnome-shell not having a bloody shutdown command by default, and you have to install an extension to get one [02:56] hibernate doesn't work for many computers and if it doesn't work, people lose data which is never a good thing [02:57] here's the fix anyway: http://askubuntu.com/questions/94754/how-to-modify-policykit-to-allow-hibernation-in-upower but I think this will be configurable in System Settings [02:57] but that option might not make it into Precise since we passed UI freeze weeks ago [02:58] Hibernate is quite unreliable in Linux, you not only need the right hardware but you need to have installed your OS the right way [03:00] this "hibernation doesnt work for many computers" is nonsense as far as I can see... hibernation is implemented purely in software so doesn't depend on anything specific to the computer... so it pretty much works everywhere as far as I have seen... it's suspend that breaks on a fair number of systems because of acpi bios bugs/quirks [03:01] anyway, we don't have really have any hard numbers/percentages on how often suspend & hibernate work or don't work, that would be really useful for making decisions like this [03:02] psusi: not really related to the conversation, but you don't need the extension, just hold alt and suspend turns into power off [03:07] Hello [03:07] I have a problem [03:09] SO [03:09] I have a problem, my minecraft lags in fullscreen mode, but it runs perfectly smooth not fullscreen, but i want fullscreen [03:12] so i just did a dist-upgrade, and now Totem has replaced ALL flash content in ALL browsers. [03:12] wtf guys [03:13] i fixed my problem [03:13] Totem? [03:14] You're the first person that I've seen complain about that, vexati0n [03:14] Therefore, I don't see why say 'wtf guys' [03:14] yeah me too [03:14] i meant wtf as in how might i go about fixing that, old chap [03:15] i checked the about:plugins in all my browsers, they all list the usual stuff... and libflashplayer.so is in the right place, and it isn't a symlink to some weird thing like libTotemTrolLOL.so [03:16] which is what i almost expected... [03:17] but wherever i go, all flash - not just video but ads and banners and even menus are replaced by a big, useless "Movie Player" icon with a play button that does nothing [03:17] vexati0n: Did you try changing it to Wumbo? [03:18] Bobbeh: I do not know what a Wumbo is. [03:18] ... [03:18] nvm its a joke [03:18] yeah sorry...long week [03:21] seriously though, how do you find out where firefox is getting its plugin orders from? [03:21] and chrome... and even epiphany. [03:26] ehh.. nevermind... apparently there are gremlins... [03:35] nighty night [04:38] has anyone run into any issues with wine/sound and 12.04? I get a bunch of ALSA errors from any app that tries to use sound in wine, but my audio works fine otherwise. Error occurs with padsp or without. [04:39] and wine 1.4 can't be set to use pulseaudio... at least, not the one in the ubuntu repos [05:34] i can't play any videos on precise because the plugins won't download [05:34] where do i file a bug? [05:35] you try the restricted-extras? kanliot [05:35] i declined the restricted extras [05:35] i didn't think it would matter [05:35] is that where i file the bug? [05:36] I doubt you have a bug, rather a=something is amiss. [05:37] !bugs [05:37] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [05:39] i'm just gonna file it against movie-player [06:10] sound settings. how do I file a bug against that? [07:14] all your nonworking ayatana scrollbars are belong to us. [08:18] the scroll bars in ubuntu do kinda suck [08:18] and are inconcsistent.. eg, firefox has "normal" scroll bars [08:18] but even they suck, the colour scheme makes it non obvious where the scrolling button is and/or how large it is [08:38] ubuntu do which patches and packages of gnome libs for the unity? [08:47] snadge, the scroll bars aren't even working for me in the beta. they keep disappearing as soon as i hover over them. it only happens with gtk3 apps. [09:32] hello, upgrades, either from commandline or the update-manager, with a btrfs root do not work. [09:32] a regular upgrade doesn't work, and a sandbox upgrade doesn't start up. [10:05] Test [10:43] I'm having some trouble with nmap not showing all open ports on a machine on the network. Can somebody confirm this? [10:43] I've recently updated my router, and I haven't got a oneiric machine left to test with [11:07] hi all [11:12] :( xorg still crashes on video play, probably time to do some debugging myself === jokerdino is now known as jokerdino_ === jokerdino_ is now known as jokerdino [11:26] Morning [11:26] was just wondering if there has been a bug reported when laptop waking from standby and the screen remains blank [11:27] djbenny: I'm sure I've seen a number of those in launchpad [11:27] moment [11:28] wylde, ok cheers. just wanted to know if it had been reported somewhere as its kind of annoying [11:29] djbenny: I imagine it would be, I have fortunately not had the issue but then I'm primarily on a desktop and I'm rather lax about powersaving heh [11:30] wylde, ahh fair enough, well its just habit to close laptop when not using it as it bots up after standby instantly anyway [11:32] djbenny: yeah I'm pretty sure I've seen a number of similar bug reports, although it may not be the same thing causing it [11:33] if you use ubuntu-bug it'll gather more info and submit it to launchpad [11:33] wylde: yeah ok fair enough, well i was expecting bugs so im not that fussed [11:33] but im not sure which package is causing the issue [11:33] djbenny: the bug bot will find if there are duplicates most likely anyway and mark it as duplicate. [11:33] though it did come up wth a system warning error when i booted back up [11:35] djbenny: hmm, I'll see what I can find. [11:38] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=resume+from+suspend anything there look similar? [11:39] I imagine it could be a hung gpu or something to do with an incomplete saved state when you close the lid, but I'm mostlyguessing right now [11:41] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/953288 or maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/952713 [11:41] Launchpad bug 953288 in pm-utils (Ubuntu) "pc freezes when resume from suspend." [Undecided,New] [11:41] Launchpad bug 952713 in linux (Ubuntu) "Thinkpad unable to return from Suspend-to-Disk or Suspend-to-Ram" [Medium,Incomplete] [11:43] or bug #951466 or bug #951143 [11:43] Launchpad bug 951466 in acpi (Ubuntu) "p8h61-m le doesn't resume from suspend mode" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951466 [11:43] Launchpad bug 951143 in linux (Ubuntu) "[Asus eeepc 1225B] Suspend and hibernate not working" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/951143 [11:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/28959 [11:43] Launchpad bug 28959 in acpi-support (Ubuntu) "screen stays blank after resume from suspend" [Medium,Confirmed] [11:43] that one looks similar, as when i move the mouse it still finds the login window as the cursor changes to the text field cursor [11:44] ahh I see [11:44] on the latest +1 updates, is the area in the top left where it displays the program name, ie. XChat IRC or Home Folder, the first character is slightly wrong? [11:44] but I've not tried to bring up the console [11:45] that's a really old bug report hmm [11:45] sagaci_, for me its fine on XChat [11:45] wylde, yup. it was fine with 11:10 [11:46] wylde, plus that bug was reported in 2006! [11:46] what's the package I need to file a bug against if it's to do with the unity panel? [11:47] djbenny: you could file a bug report and then use apport-collect to gather more information, moment there's a good page on the ubuntu wiki to help find what package to file a bug against [11:48] sagaci_, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/FilingBugs [11:49] wylde, ok cheers... [11:49] thanks for the advice. bye [12:18] * penguin42 spends 5mins debugging PA - and then remembers to switch the amp on [12:20] * ironhalik spent two hours debugging PA - figured out PA disabled audio jack [12:29] Hm. Lost connection [12:33] realubot: Goodmorning young man :) [12:34] Lost connection again. What is this [12:36] ;) [12:38] itmannen: Good morning old man. [12:38] :) [12:39] Good morning to you too spacey. [12:39] realubot: :) [12:40] realubot: Spacey ? [12:45] itmannen: spacebug- :) [12:45] hello ;) [12:46] got some answers on bugreports today. Thats nice. Two were already known and fixed [12:51] spacebug-: Nice. [12:59] yes === synaptix|ubuntu is now known as pie === pie is now known as synaptix|ubuntu [14:01] realubot: Send best regards to Barre and amelia :( [14:02] itmannen: Haha. I will. For how long willl you be banned? [14:02] realubot: And of cource to CasperN to :( [14:02] realubot: I think t 16 april [14:03] itmannen, what did you do? [14:04] itmannen: Ok. One month then. [14:04] maxjezy: I log in to many times when I test my bouncer [14:04] i c [14:04] realubot: :( [14:06] maxjezy: And CasperN went mad and went to op. [14:07] realubot: Do you now how to unzipp everything in one mapp ? [14:07] Terminal [14:08] itmannen: Do you have a zip archive? [14:08] Or tar? [14:08] realubot: Yes [14:08] zip? [14:08] realubot: Both [14:08] realubot: yes zip [14:10] "one mapp"? [14:10] Sorry fore the spelling [14:10] folder [14:10] Yes [14:10] mapp is the swedish word for it [14:10] itmannen: unzip file.zip -d /path/to/dir/ [14:11] itmannen: I think. [14:11] realubot: Ok. I test [14:11] useful script for extracting: http://paste.ubuntu.com/887807/ [14:12] Mapp or Folder is Windows word for a graphical directory icon. In Linux you use the words directory or catalog, I think. [14:12] Or am I wrong? [14:12] yes [14:12] totally [14:12] "Mapp" ? [14:13] find the word Mapp in english and i give you a b j [14:13] itmannen: unzip [-Z] [-cflptTuvz[abjnoqsCKLMVWX$/:]] file[.zip] [file(s) ...] [-x xfile(s) ...] [-d exdir] [14:13] itmannen: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man1/unzip.1.html [14:15] maxjezy: Idiot. "Strictly speaking, there is a difference between a directory, which is a file system concept, and the graphical user interface metaphor that is used to represent it (a folder)." [14:15] maxjezy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folder_%28computing%29 [14:15] well, what the fuck is a Mapp? [14:16] maxjezy: YOU are totally wrong. [14:16] dont slingra dig! [14:16] maxjezy: Mapp is the swedish word for Folder. [14:16] yes, i know that [14:16] don't look at me like i'm retarded, you know and i know swedish. [14:17] lets watch the language and the attitude here [14:17] but mapp aint no word in english [14:17] And Folder is a graphical representation for a Directory. [14:17] !guidelines > maxjezy [14:17] maxjezy, please see my private message [14:17] i can take 2 papers, 2 paperclips and make a folder of it [14:17] then i can paint something nice on it [14:18] bazhang: you always judge wrong peopke [14:18] and call it my flowerfolder [14:18] people' [14:18] bazhang: it that "realubot" who said that someone is idiot [14:18] glosoli, you missed a few words in the conversation, no doubt. [14:18] lets move on glosoli [14:18] yeah, bad bad bazhang [14:19] maxjezy: Ok. Maybe there is a Folder in Linux too. And the Folder is a graphical representation of the file system concept Directory. [14:20] Maybe there is no difference between Folder/Directory in Windows/Linux. [14:20] Other than that Folder is a grpahical representation then... [14:20] on windows 7 there probably is, it has the concept of libraries, which is basically just a tag for files in multiple directories [14:23] jtaylor: Ok. [14:25] I'm sorry that I lost my temper when I was talking to maxjezy. We have been arguing in another Ubuntu channel before and I'm rather tired at him. Sorry. [14:25] realubot: And If there are many zipfiles in that folder ? [14:25] itmannen: unzip *zip -d /pat/to/dir [14:25] ? [14:25] Doesn't that work? As in dpkg -i *.deb [14:25] itmannen: Otherwise you could use this: [14:26] realubot: Nope [14:26] for file in /path/tozip/archive/*.zip; do unzip file -d /path/to/dir/; done [14:27] unzip $file [14:28] i'm also sorry that i did use words like retarded and fuck, not good language. [14:29] maxjezy, ... [14:29] bazhang, ... ? [14:29] realubot: bash: syntaxfel nära den oväntade symbolen "do" [14:29] maxjezy, dont repeat them... [14:29] is there any way of installing windows from within linux? [14:30] using a iso or something? [14:30] maxjezy: Wubi [14:30] itmannen, thats the opposite way [14:30] wubi is the other way round I think [14:30] itmannen, thats the reverse [14:30] maxjezy, ##windows [14:30] Ok [14:30] maxjezy: Oracle Virualbox [14:30] maxjezy: VirtualBOx. [14:31] maxjezy: in a VM [14:31] yeah, but that's like a fake install, i want to run the installation from grub [14:31] Altho that is nothing like Wubi,. [14:31] i would like to install windows xp on a netbook [14:31] it has only ubuntu now [14:31] maxjezy, and support for that is in ##windows [14:32] well, that's a linux issue [14:32] maxjezy: Hm. No win here :) [14:32] not a windows issue [14:32] maxjezy, incorrect [14:32] itmannen: Give me tha path to the directory where the zip files are stored and give me the path to the directory you want to extract it to and I'll give you the right code. [14:32] maxjezy: the windows install will bork grub, so you'll have to reinstall grub afterwards [14:32] if i want to install a windows game in linux [14:32] its a linux thing [14:32] maxjezy, you wish to install windows, it is a windows issue [14:32] same thing here [14:32] realubot: Ok. thanks: /media/sdb1/GSP1/images/*.zip; do unzip file -d /media/sdb1/Unzipped-gsp1; [14:32] it's a software i would like to install from within linux [14:33] maxjezy, run using wine [14:33] maxjezy: Install Windows and reinstall Grub afterwards. [14:33] check the appdb and /join #winehq [14:33] !appdb | maxjezy [14:33] maxjezy: The Wine Application DB is a database of applications and help for !Windows programs that run under !WINE: http://appdb.winehq.org - Join #winehq for application help [14:33] realubot, how do i install it on a netbook not having a CD? [14:33] drive [14:33] realubot: update-grub :) [14:33] itmannen: You forgot the done after last; [14:33] itmannen: Did you? [14:34] maxjezy: Make a boot-usb [14:34] itmannen, find me a working guide? [14:34] maxjezy, again, this is not the place to ask about installing windows. /join ##windows [14:34] realubot: Aha [14:34] maxjezy: Booting Ubuntu Live from USB. [14:34] bazhang, still, it's a place for support in linux [14:34] maxjezy: And fron within the Live USB reinstall Grub. Then Windows AND Ubuntu will show up at boot. [14:34] realubot: No: bash: syntaxfel nära den oväntade symbolen "do" [14:35] itmannen: Strange. [14:35] itmannen: The code should work. [14:35] no it should not [14:35] realubot: Ok. [14:35] itmannen: Ah! [14:35] itmannen: You have to have unzip $file -d ... [14:35] like I said before [14:36] The $ sign in fornt of the word file tellint that file is a variable. [14:36] realubot: What ? [14:36] Ofcourse. [14:36] jtaylor: What did you say before then? [14:37] itmannen: for file in /media/sdb1/GSP1/images/*.zip; do unzip $file -d /media/sdb1/Unzipped-gsp1/; done [14:37] realubot: How sould my command look like ? [14:37] itmannen: I think that will work otherwise I don't know. [14:37] realubot: Nope: bash: syntaxfel nära den oväntade symbolen "do" [14:38] itmannen: Does this one work? for file in /media/sdb1/GSP1/images/*.zip; do echo "$file"; done [14:39] realubot: Nope [14:39] itmannen: ls -l /media/sdb1/GSP1/images/*.zip [14:39] itmannen: Do you have the correct path? [14:42] realubot: yes. But we leave this. Thank you [14:46] itmannen: Ok. Sorry I could not help you out on this. [14:47] realubot: NP. You help me a lot :) [14:48] hmm, not sure if GSM modems have so crappy support or just my modem is so lame :/ [14:51] realubot: maybe find /path/to/files -name '*.zip' -exec unzip {} \; would do it [14:58] oops my bad, I meant itmannen [14:58] wylde: Maybe it will work. [14:59] This works for me to echo all png-files in $HOME: for file in $HOME/*.png; do echo "$file"; done [14:59] So I don't get why it wont work using unzip. Well... [15:00] itmannen: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-unix-shell-unzipping-many-zip-files/ [15:01] hmm, I think it has something to do with how unzip see's it's arguements [15:01] wylde: Mee too. [15:03] itmannen: Try this then: unzip '/path/to/zip/files/*.zip' -d /path/to/unzip/dir/ [15:04]