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yofelshadeslayer: we already had a buildlog fetching script for neon, but there I only downloaded the files without parsing them01:11
yofelI'll look at yours tomorrow01:11
* yofel is off to bed01:12
littlegirlHey there, does anybody know whether LibreOffice Base will come already installed in a default Kubuntu 12.04 installation? It isn't in the beta and I'm trying to decide whether to remove references to it from the Kubuntu documentation.01:46
tbruff13can anyone in this channel help me01:53
Riddellapachelogger: your boot splash looks good, when are you going to upload those changes?09:19
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yofelshadeslayer: for the parsing you want something like this: http://paste.kde.org/44216611:25
MamarokRiddell: still have plasma-desktop not working on KDE start: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/95582611:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 955826 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "plasma-desktop crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Invalid]11:26
Mamarokand how would libexiv2-11 cause plasma-desktop to crash? Doesn't seem related to me, and I never was asked to upgrade that11:27
yofelMamarok: it's apport failing to retrace the crash because you have a ppa version of libexiv2-11 installed11:28
* yofel wonders why that is even handled by apport and not drkonqi11:28
Mamarokyofel: because it is not a KDE problem but a Kubuntu one11:29
Mamarokand if a never version of libevix si required why isn't it suggested in the updates to start with?11:29
yofelMamarok: it's not required, you have a newer version installed - which breaks the retracer11:30
Mamarokand why is libexiv causing a plasma problem? That is an image library for digikam and Gwenview11:30
yofelwait11:30
yofellibexiv2 has nothing to do with the crash probably11:30
yofelit's just that the retracer can't install the debugging symbols and fails11:30
Mamarokoh well...11:31
yofelstill, without at least some backtrace this is impossible to debug - my desktop PC works fine with 4.8.111:31
yofeldoes ~/.xsession-errors have anything related to the crash?11:32
Mamaroklet me check11:32
Mamarokouch, what should I grep for?11:33
yofelplasma? I'm not sure if it even would put anything in there11:33
Mamarokno, nothing11:34
Mamarokmaybe I can get a new one that is not as huge, let me try11:35
yofeldo you still have the .crash file from apport? maybe you could manually retrace that with apport-retrace on your system11:35
yofelI would need to look up how that works again though11:35
Mamarokwhere would that be?11:36
yofel/var/crash11:36
Mamarokyes, still there, and since it still crashes... except that I don't get a crash message for it, it is as if it wouldn't even start11:38
Mamarokls -la11:38
Mamarokoops, wrong focus11:38
yofel^^11:38
Mamarokyofel: what are you refering to?11:39
Mamarokoh, sorry, moment11:39
Mamarokgosh, too big for a paste apparently, should I upload it to the bug report?11:42
yofelMamarok: yes please11:42
Mamarokyofel: uploaded11:44
yofelthanks11:44
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aman-dev_hi all14:59
aman-dev_can anyone help me out in analyzing the code for kdevelop ide  ?15:00
shadeslayeruh15:11
shadeslayeraman-dev_: #kdevelop15:11
shadeslayeryofel_: Hmm, will test, though I don't quite understand that code15:13
shadeslayerI know only basic regex15:13
DoctorPeppershadeslayer: did you  take a look  to the virtuoso patch ? 15:14
shadeslayerDoctorPepper: I did, but was *very* tired which is why I didn't upload the fix fearing I might foobar something15:15
shadeslayerI'll upload it tonight after dinner15:15
shadeslayeryofel_: https://gist.github.com/206535815:24
shadeslayeryofel_: there seems to be a problem with your indexes15:52
shadeslayerugh, virtuoso has too many changs for a SRU16:24
shadeslayerand kubuntu backports is already full16:25
yofel_shadeslayer: oops, I didn't take non-cmake packages into account16:40
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shadeslayer:)16:41
shadeslayerI could add blacklists to not check those packages16:41
shadeslayeror just check if the retval was empty16:42
shadeslayerRiddell: poke16:42
yofelshadeslayer: check for empty16:42
shadeslayer:O16:44
shadeslayeryofel: yay16:45
shadeslayeroh my16:45
yofelhm, first pattern doesn't work right16:45
shadeslayeryeah16:45
shadeslayerprints out alot more than required16:45
shadeslayerinfact16:45
yofelI only tested this on 2 logs16:45
shadeslayerprints out the entire log till 'Configuring Done'16:45
yofelyeah, which isn't what I wanted16:46
shadeslayer*nod*16:46
shadeslayerI was actually thinking of running grep with the context option16:46
shadeslayerwhich would give you some info, but not all of it16:46
yofelok, works now after I threw out the on-disk caching16:53
yofelbut fails on attica o.O16:53
yofelah, and I also didn't handle cmake packages that don't print a summary.... -.-16:55
yofelshadeslayer: patch: http://paste.kde.org/44233417:02
yofelthat works better, if you think it prints too much modify the patterns17:03
* shadeslayer looks17:04
shadeslayeryofel: it's *perfect*17:05
* shadeslayer adds to tools17:05
yofellol, don't say that until you're run it over all packages we have :D17:06
yofel*you've17:06
shadeslayeryep, it's running17:06
yofelI'm not sure if the case without a summary will find everything as I think cmake and pkgconfig have different patterns IIRC, not sure17:09
shadeslayercan't be helped :(17:10
* shadeslayer notices that alot of packages are missing optional deps17:10
yofelsome aren't in the archive, but most should be, I haven't checked in a while17:10
shadeslayerNow  you have a script to do it, I'll email the full log the ML17:11
shadeslayerQuintasan_ gave me the idea for this a couple of days ago17:12
shadeslayeryofel: what can we drop from kubuntu-backports? Need to backport virtuoso 6.1.417:13
yofelI don't know either, build it somewhere else and copy it over17:13
shadeslayerand that'll work?17:14
yofelyes17:14
shadeslayer*giggle*17:14
shadeslayertrolololol17:16
shadeslayeryofel: Now inspecting project-neon-qca2-plugin-ossl17:17
shadeslayerTraceback (most recent call last):17:17
shadeslayer  File "kparselog.py", line 31, in <module>17:17
shadeslayer    build = lp_PPA.getBuildRecords(build_state='Successfully built', source_name=source.source_package_name)[0]17:17
shadeslayer  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/lazr/restfulclient/resource.py", line 804, in __getitem__17:17
shadeslayer    raise IndexError("list index out of range")17:17
shadeslayerIndexError: list index out of range17:17
shadeslayeraaaarghh17:17
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shadeslayeryofel: http://paste.kde.org/442358/17:17
* yofel wonders why a source package would be 0 successfull build records17:18
yofelactually, why are you looking for successfull builds?17:18
shadeslayerI shouldn't?17:19
shadeslayerhttps://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/neon/+build/2882335 < Built just fine I think17:19
shadeslayeryofel: I should check for published builds?17:20
yofelyeah, I don't get that error either17:20
yofelyou already do that17:20
shadeslayeryeah17:21
shadeslayerwell17:21
yofelbut then you check the whole ppa again for builds for a specific package17:21
yofelin my script I simply got all builds for the source with: source.getBuilds()17:21
yofelwhich should give you 1 or 2 depending on arch all/any17:22
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shadeslayeroh17:24
shadeslayeryofel: getBuilds just returns a list of successfully built build objects?17:25
yofelgetBuilds returns a list of ALL builds for the published source17:25
yofelincluding the failed ones17:26
shadeslayerhm17:26
yofelwhy don't you want those?17:26
yofelfailed to configure is a valid case here17:26
shadeslayeryeah, I'll fix that .. didn't consider all cases last night17:26
shadeslayeryofel: does your knotify4 go bonkers when you login into neon17:39
shadeslayerhogs up all memory driving everything into swap17:39
yofelI haven't used neon in a while17:40
Riddellshadeslayer: you poked?17:43
shadeslayeryus17:44
shadeslayerRiddell: can you approve bug 958683 for precise and oneiric?17:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 958683 in virtuoso-opensource (Ubuntu) "[SRU] Please release virtuoso-opensource 6.1.3+dfsg1-1ubuntu2~oneiric1" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95868317:44
shadeslayerI'm just about done, will attach a patch and build log17:44
Riddellyofel: why make bug 955826 private?17:44
ubottuError: Launchpad bug 955826 could not be found17:44
yofelRiddell: I wasn't sure what the coredump would contain, probably doesn't need to be17:45
Riddellif it crashes on login I wouldn't think Mamarok would have time to start browsing porn or anything she doesn't want made public17:47
yofellol, yeah ^^17:48
Riddellhmm apport made it invalid17:48
yofelshadeslayer: for an SRU that's the wrong version, please use -1ubuntu1.1 for oneiric17:48
shadeslayeruh, ok, I've used 1ubuntu2~oneiric1 earlier ..17:49
yofel~oneiric1 is something you use for backports17:49
Mamarokand I usually don't surf pron, and markey has no access to my laptop :)17:49
yofelMamarok: did you have a chance to install updates? (from  tty)17:50
yofelnvm the tty17:50
Mamarokyofel: I have updated several times already, still the same bahavior17:50
yofelwhich version of libexiv2-11 is installed right now?17:51
shadeslayeryofel: http://paste.kde.org/44236417:54
shadeslayeralready fixed the error at the end17:54
yofelNow inspecting project-neon-calligra: Not a cmake package - lol, too messy I guess17:55
shadeslayer:P17:55
shadeslayerlikewise for gwenview17:56
Mamarokyofel: for some strange reason still the oneiric one, let me check my package sources17:56
Mamarokbut I only have precise sources17:57
Mamarokand no never package suggested for libexiv2-11 than 0.2217:59
Mamarokdebug files though is 0.22-218:00
Mamarokno idea why there is such a mess18:00
yofelI think "0.22-oneiric" is higher than "0.22-2" 18:01
Mamarokoh, that doesn't make much sense18:01
Riddellit is dpkg --compare-versions 0.22-oneiric gt 0.22-2 && echo $?18:01
Mamarokno output besides $18:03
Mamarokand if I try to install the -dbg file it wants to downgrade libexiv2....18:04
shadeslayerhmm .. SRU docs say I can just upload my fix18:04
yofelshadeslayer: if you have upload rights yes, otherwise find a sponsor18:04
shadeslayeryofel: cool, but I'd rather wait for some feedback first18:05
yofelMamarok: can you downgrade it, move the .crash file out of /var/crash, crash it again and then file a new bug?18:06
yofelmaybe then the retracer won't fail on us18:06
Mamarokok18:06
Riddelldownload the precise package and dpkg --install it18:07
Mamarokbut why is the oneiric package higher than the precise one?18:07
yofelbecause whoever made the oneiric package used the wrong version18:08
MamarokRiddell: easier: install the libexic2-dev, that downgrade it as well18:08
MamarokOK, brb18:09
Riddellhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkexiv2 -> Other versions of 'libkexiv2' in untrusted archives. -> kubuntu-updates owned by Philip Johnsson18:09
Riddellhas the troublesome package18:09
Riddellanyone know this guy? https://launchpad.net/~philip5/+archive/kubuntu-updates18:09
yofelI've seen him online a few times in various places, I'll talk to him when I see him18:11
Mamarokhe provides the digikam packages18:11
yofelas a matter of fact, he's in #kubuntu18:11
shadeslayeroh my oh my18:11
Mamarokhm, how do I get a crash report now? plasma-desktop didn't start18:12
yofelapport *should* have made a new crash file in /var/crash/18:12
Mamaroknope18:13
yofel-.-18:13
yofeltake the old crash file and file the bug again with that maybe18:14
yofelapport is weird -.-18:14
shadeslayerheh18:14
shadeslayerits python ... what else did you expect18:14
yofeloh, you *can* make perfectly sane python applications - in theory18:15
shadeslayerunfourtunately real life is quite different :(18:15
Mamarokso basically I should file the same crash again? can't we just reopen it and let it do the same stuff again?18:16
Mamarokor maybe I should change some settings in apport so it actually does retrace it?18:17
yofelapport deleted the core dump, so no18:17
yofelwell18:17
Mamarokit didn't delete anything it just dind't update it18:17
yofelyou *can* do the retracing yourself using apport-retrace18:17
Mamarokdidn't18:17
yofelyou didn't but the retracer did18:17
Mamarokwhich I should do before restarting plasma-desktop actually I guess?18:18
yofelthat shouldn't matter18:18
yofelthe .crash file has to core dump, so you can retrace it with plasma running18:19
Mamarokapport-retrace isn't even installed18:19
shadeslayerMamarok: you'll need to install it :)18:19
yofelright, you normally should never have a use for it18:19
shadeslayerit doesn't come on standard installs18:19
Mamarokso now I just tell him the report number?18:22
yofelwait18:22
Mamarokyofel: just tell me here, I have supper ready, will do when I am back :)18:25
yofelMamarok: do something like: sudo apport-retrace -o new.crash <crashfile>18:25
yofelk18:25
* yofel does another sandboxed attempt in the meanwhile18:26
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=== yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Rohan must read up on ABI and AR and DEB | Precise: Feature Freeze -> Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | http://ur1.ca/8kamo TODOs! | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce | wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries | Milestoned beasties http://goo.gl/9iyUD | welcome shadeslayer! | todo: calligra 2.3.
shadeslayerKDevelop as well19:05
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Rohan must read up on ABI and AR and DEB | Precise: Feature Freeze -> Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | http://ur1.ca/8kamo TODOs! | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce | wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries | Milestoned beasties http://goo.gl/9iyUD | welcome shadeslayer! | todo: calligra 2.3. KDevelop
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu: Friendly Rohan must read up on ABI and AR and DEB | Precise: Feature Freeze -> Bug hunting: http://ur1.ca/8kam4 | http://ur1.ca/8kamo TODOs! | http://www.kubuntu.org/news/12.04-lts-announce | wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UDSQSeries | Milestoned beasties http://goo.gl/9iyUD | welcome shadeslayer! | todo: calligra 2.3. & KDevelop
Riddellthese upstrams keep us busy19:10
Mamarokrekonq19:10
Riddellshadeslayer: didn't you say you were going to automate kdevelop packaging?19:10
Mamarokgah, wrong focus, sorry19:10
RiddellMamarok: has a new version?19:10
debfx& akonadi & soprano19:10
Riddellah :)19:10
shadeslayerRiddell: nope ... 19:11
shadeslayerI could do it though ...19:11
shadeslayerwould be a basic shell script19:13
Riddellshadeslayer: nah, one day I'll get round to making generic scripts in python19:13
Riddellno point doing it hacky and project specific19:13
shadeslayerHmmm19:14
shadeslayerWe were supposed to have a automation meeting19:14
shadeslayerbut no one set that up19:14
yofelI know19:14
yofelbecause I wanted to do that and a) didn't have time b) waited for shadeslayer's dev meeting19:15
Mamarokyofel: I get that error: ERROR: report file does not contain one of the required fields: CoreDump DistroRelease Package ExecutablePath19:16
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yofelO.O19:17
yofelsomeone else? ^ I'm out of ideas19:17
yofelshadeslayer: how about doing it a day or 2 after beta freeze? Otherwise I would schedule that sometime in april19:20
yofelneed to write a mail about packaging tracking anyway19:21
Mamarokyofel: no problem, I will see if apport will eventually redetect the crash one day and report it again19:21
yofelthanks19:22
Philip5Riddell: you asked for me :)19:48
Riddelloh hi Philip5 19:48
Philip5hi there19:48
Philip5heard that my ppa got some attention19:48
Riddellyou broke Mamarok's computer and now she's going to come after you with her Swiss yodelling19:48
Philip5lol19:48
Riddellit's the version numbers that are wrong19:48
Philip5yes i know that are not in the debian standard19:49
MamarokPhilip5: you are quite lucky: I can't yodel :)19:49
Riddell 0.22-oneiric is newer than 0.22-219:49
Philip5but what happened that broke something?19:49
Philip5yes19:49
Philip5is it exiv2 that is the problem?19:50
Riddellif you have 0.22-oneiric installed and upgrade to precise that doesn't work19:50
Riddellyes19:50
Philip5aha19:50
Riddellthe right way to do it is the magic ~ operator19:50
Riddell0.22-2~oneiric119:50
Riddellthat ~ makes it "less than" 0.22-219:51
Philip5i know but i'm just lazy and want my own packages to override official ones19:51
Philip5not the best solution though19:51
Philip5but in my world exiv2 from my ppa or the official in pricise shouldn't break anything19:52
Philip5even though it's not neat19:52
MamarokRiddell: I don't think it breaks plasma, I think it prevents apport retracing the plasma crash19:52
shadeslayeryofel: Can we do it in April, I'm planning to finish off my internship by then19:53
Philip5Mamarok: that's true. if you have my package installed but not libkexiv2-dbg and have upgraded to precise then my package of libkexiv2-dbg isn't avalible and you have a package installation problem19:54
Philip5Riddell: i think i heard requests on help with maintaining digkam for kubuntu too?19:55
yofelshadeslayer: ack19:55
MamarokPhilip5: it would be nice if we had that in the kubuntu-backports, yes19:56
Philip5Riddell: it's just that digikam is a pain in the butt to maintain in an official debian policy way. digikam is un-orthodox in how it release and distribute its software19:56
yofelwhich one? 2.6 would be something for beta19:56
littlegirlHey there, do any of you know how to link to an element by id in the current xml document?19:56
yofelah, 2.5 wasn't backported19:56
Mamaroklittlegirl: which document?19:57
Philip5it's a mess trying to maintain digikam when it come bundled with other libs that are conflicting with upstream kde grapgic libs19:57
RiddellPhilip5: yeah digikam is not always packager-friendly19:57
RiddellPhilip5: but we'd love the help :)19:57
GirlyGirllittlegirl: see my pm19:57
littlegirlMamarok: It's the video.xml document in the kubuntu-docs branch.19:57
Philip5Riddell: i know it would be nice. i'm just a bit lazy when it comes to document changelogs and such19:58
yofelPhilip5: we could help with that ;)19:58
Philip5yofel: hehe, true19:58
Philip5with digkam 2.6 it will be a bit easier in a way as they have bumped the graphic libs so they will not conflict with upstream kde grapgic libs... as far as kde in it self doesn't get an update again19:59
yofelPhilip5: well, we use what can be used from kde and only the libs from digikam that kde itself doesn't ship20:00
yofelworks so far20:00
Philip5yofel: do you guys port source code from digikam into kde graphic libs or use official releases of kde graphic libs?20:01
yofelPhilip5: official releases, that's why we use some things from digikam as libkface and others never got a release by themselves20:01
Philip5ok, that's understandable20:02
Philip5yofel: with digkam 2.6 we get libkexiv2-11 and other never versions of libs that are not in kde yet. how do you handle that? introduce libkexiv2-11 with digikam or keep digikam using libkexiv2-10 from official kde?20:03
yofeldunno, that's something for Q as Precise will ship with 2.520:04
Philip5not a problem yet then20:04
Philip5Mamarok: just curious, what have you used from my ppa? digikam or some other stuff?20:05
Mamarokdigikam, I wanted 2.5 for Oneiric20:06
Philip5ok, you and 2000 other users then :)20:06
yofelyeah, digikam from your ppa is rather popular20:07
Philip5i have noticed20:08
Philip5but never asked for it but it just happened20:08
swecarpPhilip5,  is a good suport fore the swedish ppl i have used him alott 20:08
Philip5swecarp: you make it sound so dirty... used me a lot... ;)20:09
swecarpsorry not dirty talk Philip5  u knowe me 20:09
Philip5i know20:09
yofellol20:09
Riddellit would be good to have digikam amongst the regulars in the ~kubuntu-ppa/backports PPA but that needs someone to maintain it :)20:10
yofelRiddell: I'm looking at it20:10
Philip5Riddell: i was asked to help doing digikam maintainace dor debian too so maybe i should do both if i go for it... all in so to speak20:11
Philip5dor=for20:11
yofelPhilip5: that would make things easier as you would know what needs to be done when merging20:13
Philip5yes, but more responsability and work for me :)20:14
yofeltrue20:16
swecarpi have a question here will the final be att 700 mb iso ore will it be smaller20:19
ScottKIIRC we're aiming for ~706mb or less (which will fit on a CD).20:19
yofelswecarp: CD for precise will be 700 20:20
ScottKNo guarantees we make it.20:20
yofelhey, be optimistic!20:20
* yofel fails at it himself though20:20
swecarpty im hoping it will fit a cd 20:20
shadeslayeroh god, don't remind me of digkam20:28
shadeslayerI spent a entire week fixing the ARM build20:28
shadeslayeryofel: I thought we were increasing the CD Image size?20:29
shadeslayerto fit more stuff onto it20:29
yofelshadeslayer: not for precise20:29
shadeslayer0.o20:29
shadeslayerWasn't the decision made at UDS?20:29
shadeslayerthat's what I remember, CD sizes will be increased20:29
* yofel remembers a discussion about it, but nothing more20:30
shadeslayerhm, I thought they reached a consensus20:31
shadeslayera reason why the images were over the older limit of 700 MB's20:32
yofelwell, we will increase it for Q20:32
shadeslayerand why I haven't been able to test them -.-20:32
yofelyou have no dvd's o.O?20:32
shadeslayernone that are rewritable I should really get one20:33
shadeslayerI have a rewritable CD though20:33
shadeslayerNighters everyone :)20:43
Riddellkubuntu has same DVDs as always20:55
Riddellubuntu desktop has slimmed down DVDs without alternate on them20:55
Riddellnext cycle I expect ubuntu to move to a 1GB limit or so and make USB or DVD the requirement20:55
swecarpRiddell,  that will make me that run a old computer neading to burn a dvd everytime i nead to do some thing21:00
yofelhm, digikam 2.5 seems to require new opencv21:02
* yofel will look again tomorrow21:03
Riddellswecarp: so your new computer has CD only?  you can use a USB key21:21
swecarpmy puter has onley cd and cant bbot from usb its an old p421:23
Riddellbut you have an old computer that does have a dvd burner?21:24
swecarpno dvd burner thats why i ask21:24
Riddellswecarp: and how well does current Kubuntu run on such an old computer?21:25
swecarpthe curent 11,10 runs gr8 the best i ever had  u have done a good job with it21:26
swecarpi have upp graded it to 1gb ram 21:27
swecarpRiddell,  kubuntu did make this old mashine a new life after manny years with windowes and running slowe21:29
Riddellmm21:32
RiddellI wonder if we have a wya to 21:33
RiddellI wonder if we have a way to tell how many people are in that position21:33
Riddellswecarp: would "use the netboot CD image" be a suitable solution?21:33
swecarpRiddell,  i havent tryed that but instaling direkt from the net is a great thing if thats possibel21:34
swecarpi think moste ppl have Dvd burners today  so my problem isent so big 21:36
sreichyeah, computers these days come with combos. i don't even think you can buy *just* a cd reader21:36
swecarpsreich,  my trubbel is that im running an old p421:37
ybitfun fact: muon crashes when apt-get update is running in the background21:49
* ybit might need to report a bug21:49
ybitoh21:53
ybitnope21:53
ybitit just crashes everytime it's launched21:53
littlegirlHey there, Darkwing, sorry I'm so slow, but I'm verifying the accuracy of the content. (:23:57
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