[00:30] <Daskreech> \o/
[00:30] <Daskreech> Oh goodness I can't breathe I'm laughing so hard
[00:35] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, hi :)
[01:07] <Scunizi> I've dropped in a blank cd into the drive and the system responds asking if I want to create an audio or data cd.. however when I open k3b it doesn't recognize a blank disk in the drive.  (happens with several disks)  how do I fix this?
[01:20] <tbruff13> Can someone help me out
[01:21] <tbruff13> Does anyone know the exact day when Kubuntu 12.04 is coming out
[01:23] <Daskreech> Scunizi, Umm only thing I could think of is open k3b with kdesudo ?
[01:23] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Last thursday in the month from which it's names
[01:23] <Daskreech> Named
[01:24] <tbruff13> Daskreech: what date is that
[01:24] <tbruff13> Daskreech: okay here is the issue I am running into I am doing a huge School Board presentation for a Senior Project
[01:25] <tbruff13> The Porfolio is due on April 10th
[01:25] <tbruff13> will it be out by then
[01:25] <Daskreech> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule
[01:25] <Daskreech> Not if it's the last Thursday :)
[01:25] <tbruff13> Daskreech: will the beta become the main release or will a reinstall be required
[01:26] <Daskreech> Regardless you can show whatever is out on that day it would be in hard freeze and you can just run a normal update on the release day to get the final product
[01:26] <tbruff13> Daskreech: because if the beta can be updated to the main release then i can turn the beta release into my teacher and present the main release
[01:26] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Long as they don't need a snapshot of a state that would work
[01:27] <tbruff13> Daskreech: what do you mean a snapshot of a state?
[01:28] <Daskreech> I mean if what they are judging means they can't update anything.  If they are looking at a concept or something they expect to change in the future that would be fine
[01:30] <tbruff13> Daskreech: what they a judging is the usefulness of Kubuntu for a School system they can update whenever they need
[01:31] <tbruff13> The alternative is for them to be forced to use 10.04.4 which only has support for one more year :(
[01:31] <tbruff13> Canonical has agreed to support Kubuntu in my instance
[01:31] <Daskreech> tbruff13, You would be fine then
[01:31] <Daskreech> As long as it's something future facing
[01:31] <tbruff13> Daskreech: so can i start work on the beta release
[01:31] <Daskreech> tbruff13, That's what I do ^_^
[01:31] <tbruff13> and then update to be a normal release later
[01:32] <Daskreech> If i get distracted I sometimes don't notice that it's been released
[01:32] <tbruff13> or will i have to wait for the official release to come out
[01:32] <Daskreech> it's just Thursday for me
[01:32] <Daskreech> plus I have it before everyone :)
[01:32] <tbruff13> Daskreech: I need to know if starting with a beta will create any stability issues
[01:33] <tbruff13> because a whole parish of schools will be relying on this
[01:34] <Daskreech> tbruff13, I can't answer that. I can't even tell you if starting with a final release will be stable.
[01:34] <Daskreech> in general once it's hit beta the craziness slows down.
[01:35] <tbruff13> Daskreech: but upgrading a beta will be the same as a downloading the main release correct
[01:35] <Daskreech> The Alpha you are lucky if it boots some days. The Beta is pretty much assured to basically work but some little parts may be broken
[01:35] <Daskreech> The RC etc will be the same as the final release unless something goes horribly wrong
[01:36] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Upgrading the beta the day after release will get you the same as someone who installed it fresh on that day
[01:37] <tbruff13> Daskreech: okay then i can start customizations for 12.04
[01:37] <tbruff13> and just wait until it comes out
[01:37] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Yes
[01:37] <Daskreech> well follow it till it comes out.
[01:37] <tbruff13> Daskreech: will i be able to update on that day or will the servers be slammed
[01:37] <littlegirl> Hey there, I've got Kubuntu 12.04 Beta installed in VirtualBox and am not finding some expected software in it. Does it install minus some software if placed into a virtual machine?
[01:38] <Daskreech> It will help depending on what they are looking to change
[01:38] <JMichaelX> is there not some kind of world clock plasma widget?
[01:38] <Daskreech> tbruff13, I'd bet on the servers being slammed. It's why I update the day before it releases then wait a week or so
[01:38] <Daskreech> It's effectively the same as installing the daily the day before
[01:38] <tbruff13> Daskreech: but I cannot wait I have no time
[01:39] <tbruff13> Daskreech: will the updates be slow or will they just not wokr
[01:39] <tbruff13> work
[01:39] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Update on that day then. It will be slow but hopefully you don't have to sit there and watch them
[01:39] <tbruff13> slow i can deal with not working i cannot
[01:39] <Daskreech> tbruff13, They will work but sloooooooow
[01:39] <Daskreech> littlegirl, What are you missing? also #ubuntu+1
[01:40] <tbruff13> Daskreech: how slow is slooooooooow like 100kb/secc
[01:40] <tbruff13> Daskreech: how slow is slooooooooow like 100kb/sec
[01:40] <tbruff13> i can deal with that
[01:40] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Depends on your location and server and how many people have been converted to Ubuntu in the last release
[01:41] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can i update by a mirror or will that not get me the same result
[01:41] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Base doesn't seem to be installed (the database from LibreOffice. Is there a way I can find out which software will be included in the default installation?
[01:41] <Daskreech> tbruff13, if you are updating a whole slew of computer I would look into setting up a local mirror
[01:41] <tbruff13> Daskreech: just one computer with two vbox installations in it
[01:42] <tbruff13> I will burn a cd based on them and then give them to the school
[01:42] <JMichaelX> is there not some kind of world clock plasma widget?
[01:42] <Daskreech> tbruff13, In theory it will be the same but depends on your mirror of course. On some occasions I've found it easier to update from servers across the world as they have less people hammering them
[01:42] <Daskreech> littlegirl, You can check in #ubuntu+1 I should thinkn
[01:42] <tbruff13> Daskreech: i will work on this
[01:42] <tbruff13> Daskreech: I have a contact at Canonical that may be able to help
[01:42] <littlegirl> Daskreech: Thanks. (:
[01:42] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, there is some kind of world clock
[01:43] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Excellent :)
[01:43] <tbruff13> Daskreech: i will set a reminder for the date when the official comes out
[01:45] <Daskreech> tbruff13, If you are on the internet you'll likely hear about it. Ubuntu community is pretty good about making a lot of celebratory noise on the release day
[01:45] <tuxman> awesome!!!
[01:45] <tuxman> deepin software center
[01:45] <tuxman> is beautiful
[01:45] <Daskreech> \o/
[01:46] <tuxman> hi
[01:46] <Daskreech> hi
[01:46] <tuxman> i just installed it
[01:46] <tbruff13> Daskreech: i am just nervous about not being able to update at all
[01:47] <tbruff13> Daskreech: will remastersys work on 12.04 if not can you point me in the direction of a program that will
[01:47] <Daskreech> tbruff13, I've not been in touch with remastersys so I don't know
[01:47] <Daskreech> I can't imagine why it wouldn't >_>
[01:48] <Daskreech> I don't know of any reason remastersys would suddenly not work with 12.04
[01:48] <Daskreech> but I honestly don't know
[01:52] <Daskreech> tbruff13, you may also want to hang out in #kubuntu-devel
[01:54] <tbruff13> I am to work on this
[01:56] <Daskreech> This?
[01:57] <tbruff13> getting my project ready for the update
[01:58] <tbruff13> Daskreech: thank you
[01:58] <tbruff13> i owe you one
[01:59] <Daskreech> tbruff13, ;-)
[01:59] <tbruff13> :)
[01:59] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Yes but the guys in #kubuntu-devel have been doing updates for a long time they can help
[02:00] <Daskreech> and obviously they know a lot on KDE and Canonical structure so good crowd to just be around and listen in on
[02:01] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can i ask you another question
[02:01] <Daskreech> tbruff13, of course
[02:01] <tbruff13> The Kubuntu beta release thing warns of a "frequently broken system" in real terms is "broken" usually fixable or like the end of the world broken
[02:02] <Daskreech> Frequently Broken means unreliable.
[02:03] <ExtremeDevilz_> Hello guys I need help
[02:03] <Daskreech> It may be end of the world broken but end of the world broken could be for 10 minutes
[02:03] <Daskreech> ExtremeDevilz_, Good place to be then
[02:03] <ExtremeDevilz_> I want to install windows 7 but I cant create bootin USB from Kubuntu
[02:04] <Daskreech> unetbootin ?
[02:04] <Daskreech> !info unetbootin
[02:04] <Daskreech> Ah that might be why :)
[02:04] <tbruff13> Daskreech: okay another question do they always end up fixed in the ending
[02:04] <tbruff13> Daskreech: okay another question do they always end up fixed in the end
[02:04] <Daskreech> tbruff13, that's the point :)
[02:04] <ExtremeDevilz_> yes it is unbootable
[02:04] <tbruff13> Daskreech: ok
[02:04] <ExtremeDevilz_> someone told me to use gpart to format
[02:04] <ExtremeDevilz_> but I cant get it running
[02:04] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can i submit bugs? I am not a developer
[02:05] <Daskreech> ExtremeDevilz_, it being gparted?
[02:05] <Daskreech> tbruff13, If you were a developer you would just fix the bugs eh?
[02:05] <ExtremeDevilz_> after entering auth password it does not run
[02:05] <ExtremeDevilz_> Daskreech: Nope
[02:05] <tbruff13> Daskreech: so report anything I see
[02:05] <Daskreech> ExtremeDevilz_, are you running Kubuntu?
[02:05] <ExtremeDevilz_> yes Im
[02:06] <Daskreech> tbruff13, if you see something broken jump into #ubuntu+1 and ask. Sometimes by the time you have done that it's been fixed already
[02:06] <Daskreech> In which case you would be wasting your time and their time to submit a bug
[02:06] <Daskreech> ExtremeDevilz_, try and install partitionmanager
[02:06] <tbruff13> Daskreech: okay i will see what I can do
[02:06] <Daskreech> !info partitionmanager
[02:07] <tbruff13> Daskreech: do you know anything about Kubuntu and thin clients
[02:07] <ExtremeDevilz_> Daskreech: okay hold on mate
[02:07] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Yes
[02:07] <tbruff13> Daskreech: do they work? about how many thin clients can run on an average server
[02:07] <ExtremeDevilz_> flags boot,ibm
[02:07] <ExtremeDevilz_> iba sorry -ibm
[02:07] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can you do me a quick favor
[02:07] <Daskreech> "average"
[02:08] <tbruff13> Daskreech: i dont know
[02:08] <ExtremeDevilz_> but it does not boot
[02:08] <tbruff13> Daskreech: i am just asking if it will work
[02:08] <tbruff13> and will it be worth it
[02:08] <ExtremeDevilz_> going to unetbootin screen it countsdown and then reloop to the countsdown over and over again
[02:09] <tbruff13> Daskreech: is there any truth to the rumor the Kubuntu is resource heavy
[02:09] <Daskreech> ExtremeDevilz_, You need to use Windows Tools to write to the USB I would expect. Windows Vista changed the bootloader sequence. Windows 7 changed it again
[02:09] <ExtremeDevilz_> so how mate ?
[02:09] <tbruff13> ExtremeDevilz_: windows tends to fix things that are not broken
[02:09] <Daskreech> tbruff13, It is but not needily so. It can be pared down pretty well to run on say a 256 MB tablet so
[02:09] <tbruff13> Daskreech: okay
[02:09] <Daskreech> ExtremeDevilz_, Possible ask in ##windows ?
[02:10] <ExtremeDevilz_> uh this is a Linux issue
[02:10] <tbruff13> Daskreech: is kubuntu suffering from the same graphics issues Gnome is suffering from
[02:10] <tbruff13> ExtremeDevilz_: what are you trying to do
[02:10] <Daskreech> ExtremeDevilz_, Well the issue is getting Windows onto a USB drive. I would presume once that's done you would be happy. THey would be best able to say
[02:10] <ExtremeDevilz_> im trying to make a bootable windows 7 usb since Im on netbook
[02:10] <Daskreech> and despite the name of the channel most of the people there run Linux
[02:11] <ExtremeDevilz_> im running Kubuntu
[02:11] <tbruff13> ExtremeDevilz_: that is a windows issue but one second
[02:11] <DaemonFC> I always wondered how it was possible to get a Windows channel on Freenode
[02:11] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Depends on what graphics issue you mean
[02:11] <DaemonFC> whatever :)
[02:12] <tbruff13> ExtremeDevilz_: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/12/-the-usb-flash-drive.ars
[02:12] <tbruff13> Daskreech: the issue about AMD and crashing in Gnome 3
[02:12] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, You'll notice it has two hash tags
[02:13] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Oh doubtful AMD and KDE made peace a while back about KDE 4.3
[02:13] <tbruff13> yay
[02:13] <tbruff13> happyness
[02:13] <tbruff13> oops
[02:13] <tbruff13> im tired
[02:13] <DaemonFC> actually, I just reported a AMD Catalyst bug upstream that's rather nasty
[02:14] <DaemonFC> unless you're talking about the open source driver which is very stable but totally unfit for gaming
[02:14] <Daskreech> GNOME's Current issue is they absolutely require 3D composited drivers. KDE a) has no requirement for that and b) has two levels of software fall back incase the drivers you turn on are broken
[02:14] <DaemonFC> actually, the issue with Catalyst is that it can only run one direct rendered OpenGL app at a time
[02:15] <DaemonFC> try to run two and you're going to crash hard
[02:15] <DaemonFC> and there's a second issue with direct rendering, compositing, and vsync, that's where the choppy rendering comes in
[02:15] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, Doesn't make a difference in KDE's state. You can just switch drivers or go to software rendering or turn off compositing
[02:16] <DaemonFC> kwin detects fglrx and uses indirect rendering
[02:16] <DaemonFC> there was a blog post by the maintainer of kwin a few days ago where he said that if AMD doesn't get their act together, he may just drop the OpenGL 1/indirect rendering support entirely
[02:16] <DaemonFC> since it's onyl around for ancient hardware and AMD's broken proprietary driver
[02:17] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, He's going to drop it anyway.
[02:18] <DaemonFC> once that happens, if that happens, then you may end up having to turn compositing off if you use that driver
[02:18] <Daskreech> and AMD have said they are moving to ELS 2.0 subsequent to that
[02:18] <DaemonFC> (or just use the open source driver)
[02:18] <Daskreech> so the march goes on. But in anycase we in KDE don't have the same problems they do with video in GNOME
[02:19] <DaemonFC> I don't know how that's going to work, their proprietary driver is bad enough with GLX and they have many bugs spanning years that have gone unresolved
[02:19] <DaemonFC> my spidey sense is telling me that they probably will never make the effort to properly support EGL
[02:20] <DaemonFC> that's just because GNOME made a decision to not support broken or ancient display drivers
[02:21] <DaemonFC> kwin has had the backend that it now gives those drivers for years, so it's not like they had to come up with something from scratch
[02:21] <DaemonFC> the issue before them now seems to be whether it's an undue maintainence burden to keep it around much longer
[02:22] <Daskreech> Yes :-) and AMD is trying to get to a better place
[02:22] <DaemonFC> the newer OpenGL 2 backend (with mandatory direct rendering) is what you get when kwin determines your running recent open source drivers or a recent nvidia blob and
[02:22] <DaemonFC> *and it's the future
[02:22] <Daskreech> I understand the trepidation for expecting them to come through with what they say but I support them trying to get there
[02:23] <DaemonFC> well, I think the threat to drop support for them is really more like trying to get them to fix it
[02:23] <Daskreech> wheever they fall we will point and jeer and laugh till they dust off and we will celebrate anytime they fulfill but I wouldn't discourage them based on past failings
[02:23] <DaemonFC> as long as most software goes to lengths to work around their bugs, there's no incentive to fix those bugs because the user never sees the bugs
[02:24] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, So far it seems to have been motivating them to at least be more open with the roadmap if it didn't actually impel them to make the changes
[02:27] <DaemonFC> I'd obviously prefer it if they trashed FGLRX and made a more serious committment to their open source drivers
[02:27] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, Yep and the last time there was a massive KDE bug AMD stepped up and said that was our fault. They submitted the code and closed the bug themselves.
[02:27] <DaemonFC> doubt that it will happen, since FGLRX is mostly just the Windows driver with some kernel glue
[02:28] <DaemonFC> so it's not like it's taking a lot of effort to develop
[02:28] <Daskreech> Yep And I would guess that long term they would like that as well but that certainly isn't going to happen overnight
[02:28] <DaemonFC> the part that probably costs them the most to maintain is the part that interacts with X
[02:28] <Daskreech> Would be nice if they eventually made the Windows driver a wrapper for the open driver
[02:29] <DaemonFC> well, they have ported the open source stuff to Windows CE apparently
[02:29] <DaemonFC> with decent results
[02:29] <Daskreech> Ah X such an amusing anomaly in the FOSS world
[02:29] <DaemonFC> X is 25 years old, was barely adequete in 1987, largely maintained by proprietary software companies and hardware vendors most of its life
[02:29] <DaemonFC> and it's a small miracle it even still works at all
[02:31] <DaemonFC> nobody sane still uses it as it was originally intended because of irrepairable security issues :)
[02:31] <DaemonFC> maybe on a trusted local network that is entirely walled off from the internet
[02:45] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, You don't run X?
[02:46] <DaemonFC> I was talking about networking
[02:49] <Daskreech> when did we start on that subject?
[02:49] <DaemonFC> X networking
[02:49] <Daskreech> http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/the-costs-of-supporting-legacy-hardware/
[02:50] <DaemonFC> that was originally more or less the entire elevator pitch for X unless you wanted to just run a bunch of xterms or something
[02:55]  * Daskreech loves xterms
[03:26] <JMichaelX> does anyone here know of world clock plasma widget? i have looked, and cannot seem to find one
[03:47] <JMichaelX> would anyone here know whether or not there is world clock plasma widget?
[03:48] <Fanfare> JMichaelX: there should be one!
[03:48] <tbruff13> Daskreech: are you still here
[03:49] <Daskreech> no >_>
[03:49] <tbruff13> Daskreech: ha ha I need help Kubuntu 12.04 in virtualbox did not detect my internet connection on install
[03:49] <tbruff13> Is there anything i need to install once it is booted to correct this or will an update fix what got missed
[03:50] <Daskreech> no that's a #vbox issue
[03:50] <JMichaelX> Fanfare: if there is, i would love to know what it is called
[03:50] <Fanfare> and #ubuntu+1
[03:50] <tbruff13> Daskreech: i know i am asking once it is loaded can i just update and fix what the installer missed
[03:50] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, What's the clock supposed to do?
[03:50] <tbruff13> Daskreech: will an update catch what the installer did not get
[03:51] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: do you not know what a world clock type app does?
[03:51] <Fanfare> JMichaelX: unlock your desktop, add widget, select category "Date & Time" there you should find it.
[03:51] <Daskreech> Is that one that shows like the sun on the world?
[03:52] <Daskreech> tbruff13, The installer missed things?
[03:52] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: i have seen some that do that, but no.
[03:52] <tbruff13> Daskreech: when i installed it says download updates but i would not let me download them because it did not see my connection to the net
[03:52] <Fanfare> JMichaelX: if not check packages in your package manager to find more plasma widgets
[03:52] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: the whole idea is to show what time it is in more than one location
[03:52] <tbruff13> now i am connected when i rebooted do i just update to fix what the installer missed
[03:52] <Daskreech> tbruff13, ah right yes
[03:53] <JMichaelX> Fanfare: i did that, toherwise i would not be asking in here
[03:53] <JMichaelX> otherwise*
[03:53] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, http://edu.kde.org/marble/current_0.7.php like that ?
[03:53] <Daskreech> I'm not on KDE right now but hold on
[03:53] <Fanfare> JMichaelX: so check your packagemanager or apt-cache search plasma
[03:54] <Fanfare> JMichaelX: (not in Kubuntu right now)
[03:54] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: don't go to too much trouble. i have actually found i have one installed on one machine.. i just cannot figure out what package it came with
[03:55] <JMichaelX> Fanfare: i just told you i had already checked a package manager
[03:55] <tbruff13> Daskreech: Kubuntu's new default panel is at the top
[03:56] <Fanfare> JMichaelX: i have /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_worldclock.so but dont know the ubuntu package it could be in
[03:57] <tbruff13> Daskreech: i see what i did oops
[03:59] <JMichaelX> Fanfare: yea, that is what i am trying to figure out. i really do wish that when you go to add a widget, that there was some better indication of what the name of the widget is... it would be even better if it indiacated a package name
[03:59] <tbruff13> Daskreech: how well do you know 12.04
[04:00] <tbruff13> can you take a look at a log I made and tell me things that wont work on 12.04
[04:00] <CheckIn> apt-file will tell you what package it's from
[04:00] <JMichaelX> ok, this world clock widget is associated with marble, as Daskreech thought, but this is not a world clock widget i want.
[04:01] <JMichaelX> anyways, many thanks for the suggestions Daskreech & Fanfare
[04:01] <Daskreech> JMichaelX,  :) Did ask what you wanted
[04:02] <Fanfare> JMichaelX: Yes, it would also be grat if the applet-manager could understand translations in the *.desktop file, so one could find Weltzeituhr if he is looking for worldclock
[04:03] <Daskreech> tbruff13, Gone?
[04:03] <Daskreech> Fanfare, it doesn't? That's a bug
[04:03] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: yes you did. most world clock apps i have ever seen are set up to show you what time it is in multiple locations... this marble world clock is fancier, but does not do the basic job of showing the times unless you hover over it
[04:04] <Daskreech> So you want to see multiple cities times at the same time?
[04:04] <Fanfare> Daskreech: no, it doesnt. I have german here. and searching for world gives no results
[04:04] <JMichaelX> Fanfare: yea, translations would slo be good... but if there were just some indication of the widgets name, even, it would be very helpful
[04:05] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: yes, that is what most such apps do
[04:05] <JMichaelX> in my experience, at least
[04:05] <Fanfare> i didnt know it should , as i know the K-menu doe not either.
[04:05] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, I am almost sure I've seen that done with the standard clock already
[04:05] <Daskreech> Fanfare, I'd still consider that a bug
[04:06] <Fanfare> Daskreech: do u check bko?
[04:06] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: i would not be shocked. i looked to see whether or not it could do that, but didn't see how
[04:06] <Fanfare> couse i need to go to bed :-(
[04:07] <Daskreech> Fanfare, yes
[04:07] <Fanfare> Daskreech: k, thx
[04:07] <Daskreech> Good night Fanfare
[04:07] <Daskreech> Hi DarkriftX
[04:07] <Fanfare> :-)
[04:07] <Daskreech> bah
[04:07] <Daskreech>  hi Darkwing
[04:09] <Daskreech> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=98091
[04:09] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, don't know if that helps
[04:10] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: many thanks again. i'll take a look at that
[04:12] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: looks like a person may just need to add multiple digital clock
[04:12] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: i just added one. it seems to indicate that it is set to UTC, which is clearly not the case
[04:12] <Daskreech> You can have multiple cities in the tooltip
[04:13] <Daskreech> not really a one glance solution but ....
[04:13] <JMichaelX> yea, i don't want to have to do the tooltip
[04:13] <JMichaelX> plus, i turn off all KDE tooltips i can... including the informational ones
[04:14] <JMichaelX> to me, KDE tooltips are incredibly annoying
[04:15] <JMichaelX> but that may not be the case with anyone else
[04:16] <Daskreech> Yeah I like them but I can easily see them being annoying
[04:17] <JMichaelX> i hate them... any time you hover over a widget, something pops up that will not go away for a while, unless you hover over it again to make it go away.... anyways, that is all personal preference
[04:17] <uberdub> kubuntu rawks!!!
[04:18] <JMichaelX> it looks like the clock widget only does time for multiple locations in the tooltip
[04:18] <uberdub> still dont miss os x
[04:20] <Daskreech> uberdub,  :)
[04:20] <uberdub> what up?
[04:21] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, Yeah Not seeing something easily to what you want
[04:21] <Daskreech>  I guess a popup with X numberof cities and the times?
[04:21] <Daskreech> uberdub, Not a whole lot
[04:21] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: nope.... i should learn how to make one.
[04:21] <uberdub> hmm, though i was on freenode
[04:21] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, Qml. Should be easy(ish)
[04:22] <Daskreech> uberdub, and you are :)
[04:22] <uberdub> yep, my bad
[04:22] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: i also try to shut off as many popup notifications as possible
[04:22] <JMichaelX> i pretty much have no KDE tooltips or popups on any of my KDE machines
[04:23] <Daskreech> Hmm notifications are part of the systray now I think. though yo ucan just universally shut those off
[04:23] <Daskreech>  I have a friend who does that within an activity
[04:24] <JMichaelX> yea, i think that is where i shut mine off.
[04:24] <uberdub> so yeah, when does 12.04 release?
[04:24] <JMichaelX> i realize most people probably like them
[04:27] <JMichaelX> i have a strange question... i am not even sure how to describe this, on one of my machines, when switching virtual desktops... when the cube rotates, the widgets all kind turn sideways (or something like that) as the cube turns. would anyone know what effect that would be?
[04:28] <JMichaelX> i have looked through all the effects several times, but cannot seem to find where i could shut that off
[04:29] <uberdub> First time using quassel.....how do I join different channels?
[04:30] <JMichaelX> uberdub: i have never used quassel, but the most common way to join an IRC channel is: '/join #channel-name'
[04:30] <Daskreech> JMichaelX, did you check the settings for the cube?
[04:31] <Daskreech> uberdub, type /join #quassel for instance
[04:31] <uberdub> ahh ok. I forget the commands if I get lazy, and dont use them for long periods of time.
[04:31] <JMichaelX> Daskreech: i believe i have a few times... i'll look again
[04:31] <uberdub> android channel would be nice
[04:31] <Daskreech> I never use cube so I'm not sure
[04:31] <Daskreech> uberdub, #android
[04:33] <Daskreech> or more likely ##android
[04:33] <uberdub> sweet
[04:33] <uberdub> just got my first one, xperia play
[04:33] <JMichaelX> uberdub: i imagine that quassel probably has a way of showing all of the available channels on whichever network you are connected to
[04:33] <Daskreech> that would be /list
[04:33] <Daskreech> but on Freenode that's easily a few thousand channels
[04:34] <Daskreech> I would guess /list android would limit it to the android related channels
[04:34] <uberdub> yeah figured it out
[04:35] <Daskreech> :-)
[04:35] <uberdub> thanks
[04:35] <uberdub> just needed to see it typed, and its like riding a bike
[04:35] <uberdub> Ive been running linux since slack 10 or so
[04:35] <Daskreech> You need to keep going.. preferred if it's downhill?
[04:36] <uberdub> kubuntu is really awesome
[04:36] <Daskreech> It's a fun distro :)
[04:36] <uberdub> yeah, linux has come a long way
[04:36] <Daskreech> Yep
[04:36] <uberdub> its been a really cool evolution to watch
[04:36] <Daskreech> been running since redhat 4
[04:37] <uberdub> nice
[04:37] <Daskreech> so like KDE 1.x
[04:37] <uberdub> me too...I like the eye candy
[04:37] <uberdub> I use kairo dock
[04:37] <Daskreech> I like that it does what i tell it to do
[04:37] <uberdub> err cairo
[04:37] <Daskreech> ha ha that mistake is allowed her :-)
[04:37] <Daskreech> here
[04:38] <uberdub> yep. I dont like my hardware, and OS being restricted
[04:38] <JMichaelX> i think slackware 10 was also one of the first i tried
[04:38] <uberdub> screw that
[04:38] <Daskreech> MIght like gnewsense then
[04:38] <uberdub> yeah I so dont miss spending weeks compiling, and building deps
[04:38] <uberdub> lol
[04:38] <uberdub> taught me linux though
[04:38] <Daskreech> compiling will do that
[04:39] <uberdub> I recommend it for noobs actually
[04:39] <JMichaelX> i don't mind compiling. i run gentoo on a few machines, also.
[04:39] <uberdub> just depends on what your machine is intended for
[04:39] <JMichaelX> yea
[04:40] <uberdub> compiling from source is most stable
[04:40] <uberdub> slack is uber stable.....Pat doesnt want noobs, and endusers using it so much
[04:41] <uberdub> 10.04 has been a rock for me so far
[04:42] <Daskreech> oh. wow :)
[04:42] <Daskreech> ok
[04:42] <uberdub> my nvidia card didnt like 11.1
[04:42] <Daskreech> hopefully 12.04 will  play nicer
[04:42] <uberdub> yeah hope so
[04:42] <JMichaelX> what card did u have?
[04:42] <uberdub> Im really digging this
[04:42] <JMichaelX> do*
[04:42] <almoxarife> anyone with bind experience? I can't get 'cache' size figured out
[04:42] <uberdub> nvidia ion
[04:43] <uberdub> hp mini 311
[04:43] <JMichaelX> ok, that is what i have on this machine.
[04:43] <uberdub> you running 11.1?
[04:43] <JMichaelX> this is a jetway minitop
[04:43] <JMichaelX> yes... although i guess this is an ion2 GPU, if that make any difference at all
[04:43] <uberdub> hmmm, maybe
[04:44] <uberdub> this was an ion le stock
[04:44] <uberdub> Im using hacked firmware
[04:44] <JMichaelX> i like machines with low(er) power consumption
[04:44] <uberdub> yeah
[04:44] <uberdub> arm is cool
[04:44] <uberdub> this machine was cheap, and decent power
[04:45] <uberdub> bang for buck
[04:45] <JMichaelX> my two main PCs have dual-core atom CPUs... but yea, arm-based desktops may bring the power consumption a lot lower
[04:45] <uberdub> nvidia wasnt playing nice though. has sleep/suspend issues
[04:45] <Daskreech> almoxarife, what about?
[04:45] <uberdub> kernel panics, etc
[04:45] <JMichaelX> hmm
[04:46] <uberdub> tried different drivers, from nvidia.....but proprietary drivers suck. 10.04 is playing quite nicely, and 11.04 did too. coulda been me running latest kernels too lol.
[04:46] <JMichaelX> mine sleeps fine, although i had to enable it in the BIOS... the only issue i have, is that the audio is muted and kmix crashes, after it wakes up... but i just start kmix again, and it's fine
[04:47] <almoxarife> Daskreech: about? right now I am looking at a running instance of 'named' that is 67meg, I think I can do with a 30meg instance
[04:47] <uberdub> nvidia soundcard integrated?
[04:47] <Daskreech> almoxarife, change you max cache size to something smaller then
[04:47] <Daskreech> http://www.net.cmu.edu/groups/netdev/docs/bind9/Bv9ARM.ch06.html
[04:48] <JMichaelX> uberdub: no, i am not using HDMI. this machine has an internel C-Media USB sound card, believe it or not
[04:48] <almoxarife> Daskreech: yes, that is the question , how? which file and what is the line?
[04:48] <JMichaelX> uberdub: if i used HDMI, it would use the integrated nvidia sound card
[04:49] <JMichaelX> internal*
[04:50] <Daskreech> almoxarife, named in /etc and that link should give you all the rest of your answers
[04:50] <almoxarife> Daskreech: been there, done that, I read the docs, there are too many cache related tweaks, I was looking for someone with personal knowledge
[04:50] <uberdub> jmichaelx: yeah differnt setup.
[04:50] <Daskreech> ah Well my caching server is not really doing much else so I let it eat as much as it likes
[04:51] <JMichaelX> uberdub: i have a feeling your video card could have worked. when i first got kubuntu set up on this machine a few years ago, i did have to futz quite a bit with settings to get things working smoothely
[04:52] <almoxarife> Daskreech: your caching server is probably 'dnsmasq' ?
[04:52] <JMichaelX> uberdub: my big gripe now is that with adobe flash 11, full screen flash video sucks BADLY
[04:53]  * JMichaelX hates the adobe flash plugin
[04:54] <uberdub> Yeah, I tried a bunch of stuff. worked ok in 11.04, tried it in slack 13 or something whatever recent was last year. needed more futzing than I wanted to deal with
[04:54] <JMichaelX> 13.37 lol
[04:54] <uberdub> yeah
[04:55] <uberdub> lol, he takes forever to release new versions. their entire focus is stability, convenience isnt a priority for them.
[04:56] <JMichaelX> yea, i used to always keep a machine around running slackware. i should install it on something again.
[04:57] <uberdub> yeah, if had a use for it currently Id be using it. Just not practical for a laptop these days when you have things like kubuntu. which IMO puts  os x to shame.
[04:58] <JMichaelX> yea. i have kubuntu or fedora on my laptops
[04:59] <JMichaelX> and a netbook... still running 10.04 ubuntu netbook remix
[04:59] <uberdub> yeah if I was running any kind of server or dedicated machine itd be slack.
[05:00] <uberdub> kubuntu is for everyday use
[05:00] <JMichaelX> my home server is running ubuntu... my home server is another netbook someone gave me, with a broken screen
[05:00] <uberdub> ahh thats a good use...nice
[05:01] <uberdub> lol
[05:01] <JMichaelX> the servers i manage at work are mostly running ubuntu, as well.
[05:01] <JMichaelX> but, that is my doing
[05:01] <uberdub> yeah its a great os.
[05:01] <uberdub> Just a personal flavor....no pun intended
[05:01] <uberdub> lol
[05:02] <uberdub> ubuntu works great for those purposes I would imagine. Id run slack though if it were me, probably over kill
[05:03] <JMichaelX> i was not sure how that netbook would do as a server, but it has been running for several months straight now, and i've been pretty happy with it
[05:03] <uberdub> nice
[05:04] <uberdub> yeah good to know
[05:05] <JMichaelX> well, among the things i wanted to do, was install subsonic... they provide .deb's ...  but, i imagine i could have compiled it for slackware
[05:05] <brad_> I just installed kubuntu a few hours ago, playing around with it, like it... but muon software center crashes everytime I open it... WTf
[05:05] <brad_> suggestions?
[05:06] <almoxarife> brad_: install 'synaptic'
[05:06] <JMichaelX> yea... i just googled. people do use subsonic in slackware
[05:06] <uberdub> yeah .deb is soooo nice
[05:07] <uberdub> yeah just more work to get it going....but once it is its comiled to your machine specifically
[05:07] <brad_> thanks, I'll see what I can do from that
[05:08] <JMichaelX> i'm also using that server as a jukebox, with mpd, and an android app to control it.. which is pretty nice
[05:08]  * JMichaelX has never yet tried to use muon
[05:09] <uberdub> yeah Im just getting into android. Ive been thinking of doing like a rooting and flashing service on craigslist
[05:09] <JMichaelX> maybe you could tell me how to root my evo 3d, lol
[05:10] <uberdub> I live in Phoenix, and cricket is huge
[05:10] <uberdub> maybe
[05:10] <JMichaelX> i previously used an LG optimus, and had it rooted
[05:10] <uberdub> I rooted my xperia play
[05:10] <uberdub> and flashed for cricket
[05:10] <JMichaelX> nice
[05:10] <brad_> JMichaelX what do you use do get open source apps/programs, not through prompt that is
[05:10] <uberdub> I even got replacement parts to remove the verizon branding. lol
[05:11] <JMichaelX> brad_: i mostly use apt-get and aptitude in the command line, but if i want a graphical package manager, i use synaptic
[05:11] <uberdub> gonna ghost armor it and beat up the parts on it more now before I take it apart
[05:12] <JMichaelX> i love taking gadgets apart :-D
[05:14] <JMichaelX> KDE used to have a package manager called 'adept', which was my favorite
[05:14] <uberdub> yeah me too. I used to destroy my toys since like 2 years just to see how they worked on the inside
[05:14] <uberdub> 2 years old*
[05:14] <JMichaelX> there is an 'adept' in the repos, but it's not the old adept
[05:15] <JMichaelX> yea... same here
[05:15] <uberdub> my mom would get pissed lol
[05:15] <JMichaelX> i like building and repairing and modding machines, almost more than i like using them
[05:15] <uberdub> yeah me too
[05:16] <uberdub> I build porsches for a hobby
[05:16] <JMichaelX> that is pretty awesome
[05:16] <uberdub> got my first one in 2003
[05:16] <JMichaelX> i'm essentially a basement-dwelling geek with no money to my name, so i do not do that
[05:17] <uberdub> you live in a small town, or rural area?
[05:17] <uberdub> linux skills are in demand in some parts
[05:17] <JMichaelX> i live in a really small town... maybe 200 people, but it's just outside of a town with maybe 25,000
[05:18] <uberdub> yeah, move to norcal, or la
[05:18] <uberdub> youll bank
[05:18] <JMichaelX> yea, i just work as a low-level sysadmin/tech support person for a small non-profit
[05:18] <JMichaelX> that could be
[05:18] <uberdub> ahh
[05:18] <uberdub> thats cool
[05:19] <uberdub> Its not always about money
[05:19] <uberdub> I just have an expensive hobby or two
[05:19] <JMichaelX> it's a long story, but i have autism... and my quirky ways and habits would probably not be so easily tolerated by most employers
[05:19] <uberdub> lol, that require money
[05:19] <JMichaelX> yea
[05:20] <uberdub> yeah. I know the type sorta. common in the linux community
[05:20] <JMichaelX> yea, that sure seems to be
[05:20] <uberdub> dont always have to deal with people though
[05:21] <uberdub> work from home
[05:21] <JMichaelX> i don't mind dealing with people, but i don't very much
[05:21] <uberdub> fuck working for other people
[05:21] <DarthFrog> !language | uberdub
[05:21] <JMichaelX> yea, i work mostly from home, but i do not always like that
[05:21] <bazhang> uberdub, watch the language
[05:21] <JMichaelX> some channels are touchy about choice of vocabulary than others, lol
[05:21] <uberdub> sorry cop bot.
[05:21] <JMichaelX> touchier*
[05:22] <bazhang> lets get back on topic of kubuntu support
[05:22] <DarthFrog> All Ubuntu channels have that policy.
[05:22] <DarthFrog> !coc
[05:22]  * JMichaelX sigh
[05:22] <DarthFrog> There's #kubuntu-offtopic for chat.
[05:23] <uberdub> CoC?
[05:23] <uberdub> electronically sign?
[05:23] <bazhang> uberdub, ?
[05:23] <JMichaelX> i once got asked to leave #kubuntu-offtopic .... for off-topic conversation. i kid you not.
[05:24] <DarthFrog> Odd.
[05:24] <uberdub> yeah, im not trying to be negative, or disorderly. But, I have to know is there some kind of fundamentalist christian agenda behind ubuntu?
[05:25] <bazhang> !ot | uberdub
[05:25] <DarthFrog> OK, that's *definitely* off-topic.
[05:25] <JMichaelX> DarthFrog: there are always some real nazis hanging around most IRC channels... i have seen people banned from #kubuntu-offtopic , for being offtopic
[05:25] <bazhang> JMichaelX, thats way more than enough
[05:25] <uberdub> ok, can I ask that question in kubuntu-offtopic?
[05:25] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[05:25] <uberdub> if so time to wipe and install debian
[05:42] <Daskreech> almoxarife, sorry got called away
[08:09] <JMichaelX> i have to say, marble is pretty awesome
[08:13] <uberdub> marble?
[08:23] <JMichaelX> uberdub: http://edu.kde.org/marble/
[08:24] <uberdub> oh cool. kinda like google earth
[08:41] <ubuntu> ha
[08:42] <Peace-> hu
[09:39] <diego123> Hi all.I hav a problm with my hard disk.I tried fsck from a live disk and it said severals "could not allocate block in ext2 filesystem".What can i do?Thx
[10:20] <moshind> s
[12:55] <d0od> Does anyone know what other packages are required in Ubuntu 12.04 to get Plasma Active running? I've installed Plasma-active-* and plasma-desktop but all i get when logging in is http://i.imgur.com/ZH94z.jpg
[13:01] <apple_cat> d0od: 12.04?
[13:01] <d0od> Aye.
[13:01] <Mamarok> apple_cat: not released yet, still beta
[13:01] <Mamarok> also plasma active and plasma desktop are not the same
[13:02] <d0od> Installing plasma-active sans plasma-desktop gave me a black screen
[13:02] <d0od> it was only when I installed plasma-desktop that the plasma-active session showed anything
[13:02] <Mamarok> well, plasma-active has 9 poackages, did you install all of them?
[13:02] <d0od> Yep :)
[13:03] <Mamarok> also that is a git snapshot from January, so not really up-to-date, I guess you will need to wait
[13:03] <Mamarok> if you install plasma-desktop you get the normal plasma, not the active desktop
[13:05] <Peace-> Mamarok: hola mama
[13:05] <Peace-> xD
[13:05] <rork> d0od: I've never worked with active but you can switch between Desktop and Netbook in System Settings > Workspace Behaviour > Workspace (Workspace type), maybe it's listed
[13:05] <Mamarok> Peace-: please don't call me like that
[13:05] <Peace-> mamarok :P
[13:05] <Mamarok> I don't call you Pea either :)
[13:06] <Peace-> tab autocomplete ddidn't work
[13:06] <Peace-> :(
[13:07] <worm> Excuse me, does anyone know how to change gvim as default text editor?
[13:08] <worm> I don't want to use kate.
[13:09] <Peace-> worm: open the menu
[13:09] <Peace-> worm: type on the seearch box file associations
[13:09] <Peace-> run i t
[13:10] <Peace-> worm: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/18/plasma-desktopXQ1797.png
[13:11] <Peace-> worm: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/18/plasma-desktopuR1797.png
[13:11] <worm> Peace- Thanks. But then should i change it one by one?
[13:12] <Peace-> worm: well yes
[13:12] <Peace-> worm: btw when you have to change the associations just clikc on the file
[13:12] <Peace-> and change it when you need
[13:12] <Peace-> worm: there is  a way to create a new file associations config file
[13:13] <Peace-> i did for example for multimedia file s
[13:13] <Peace-> and vlc
[13:13] <Peace-> worm: see here , end of the page , or search typing CTRL F , vlc  here http://nowardev.wordpress.com/usefull-link-for-kubuntu-and-multimedia-stuff/setkubuntuproperly/
[13:14] <worm> Peace- Thanks a lot.
[13:14] <Peace-> worm: it's done for vlc but...well you can do the same with gvim
[13:14] <Peace-> worm: btw kate can be set to work like vim
[13:14] <worm> Peace- I got it, thanks.
[13:54] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:10] <Daskreech> hi BluesKaj
[14:11] <BluesKaj> hi Daskreech
[14:11] <dsfsd> clear
[14:11] <dsfsd> !ops
[14:11] <dsfsd> kubuntu doesn't Unity... winner
[14:11] <dsfsd> *use
[14:11] <Daskreech> why'd you do that?
[14:11] <dsfsd> ask the nazis in #ubuntu-ops
[14:12] <Mamarok> dsfsd: please behave, else we will have to remove you
[14:12] <pangolin> dsfsd, Please don't
[14:12] <dsfsd> pangolin, fine
[14:12] <dsfsd> I won't
[14:12] <dsfsd> bye
[14:12] <pangolin> bye
[14:12] <dsfsd> xx
[14:12] <txwikinger> what was this about?
[14:13] <oCean> nvm
[14:14] <pangolin> txwikinger, spill over from #ubuntu via #ubuntu-ops....
[14:20] <BluesKaj> txwikinger,  I imagine it was some disagreement with the ops at #ubuntu ..too many inflated egos in such a large chat
[14:22] <Daskreech> Sad. If he had come in and just not shouted at ops it would have been fine
[14:22] <Daskreech> Assuming a he
[14:24] <BluesKaj> well, I can't be bothered with #ubuntu anymore , too many correction trolls
[14:27] <BluesKaj> lots of problems unrelated to kubuntu and kde anyway
[14:31] <Daskreech> in #ubuntu ? I'd think so :)
[14:41] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, Correction trolls would be people looking for correction or people looking to correct?
[14:45] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, people looking to correct spmeone who makes a mistake in their advice or suggestion , rather then helping the person asking for it .  Otherwise they're usually silent....that's been my experience
[14:47] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, ah Neo neckbeard elite
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Daskreech, hehe :)
[14:50] <aman-dev_> hey , anyone there ?
[14:50] <BluesKaj> well, Daskreech maybe they have ambitions in that direction , but most lack the social graces and experience to maneuver in such circles.
[14:50] <Daskreech> aman-dev_, No anuone isn't here right now would you like to leave a message?
[14:50] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, and a proper neck
[14:51] <aman-dev_> hehe
[14:52] <aman-dev_> actually I'm new to kde. and i want to contribte for kdevelop (an ide). So shall i build it from scratch or an installed version would be enough ?
[14:52] <Daskreech> aman-dev_, Depends on what you want to develop. Anything within the core you would obviously need the latest version
[14:53] <aman-dev_> oh thanks
[14:53] <aman-dev_> actually i'm preparing for gsoc and want to analyze its code
[14:53] <Daskreech> aman-dev_, http://kdevelop.org/contribute-kdevelop would be helpful reading
[14:54] <aman-dev_> yea thanks for the link , but i'v already read it !!
[14:55] <Daskreech> aman-dev_, Ah So you'd know to ask in #kdevelop then ;-)
[14:55] <aman-dev_> @daskreech so could u please suggest me some ways to do so  ?
[14:55] <aman-dev_> ya i'm asking there too.
[14:55] <BluesKaj> aman-dev_, #kde-devel , or #kubuntu-devel , might be right for you
[14:56] <Daskreech> Cool well in general you check with the main project then if they ask you to get source etc you would ask in the #yourdistro chan to see how to implement that
[14:56] <Daskreech> aman-dev_, but I think that projects.kde.org would be helpful for you as wll
[14:56] <Daskreech> well
[14:56] <Daskreech> That's where all the source trees grow
[14:56] <aman-dev_> okey thanks
[15:26] <brad_> complete noob question, but here it goes -- what do I open new downloads form the download folder with, they are programs to install
[15:26] <brad_> I can only access the files within, the programs wont run install, fyi
[15:27] <SilverLion> brad_, depends on what format the files are ... like .deb or .bin for example
[15:28] <Peace-> brad_: first of all you don't need to download manually programs
[15:28] <Peace-> brad_: you have just to run   to install blender :           sudo apt-get install blender
[15:28] <Peace-> this is an example
[15:37] <brad_> peace-: thanks
[15:38] <brad_> SilverLion: thanks
[15:38] <SilverLion> u r welcome
[15:38] <Flutiju`> Hi
[15:39] <Flutiju`> Anyone can explain me how kimpanel works with ibus for chinese typing ?
[15:43] <rich_> fdafda
[15:50] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can you help me
[15:50] <tbruff13> no one is in ubuntu+1
[15:50] <BluesKaj> tbruff13, just ask your question
[15:52] <tbruff13> When ever I plugin my power cord Kubuntu 12.04 does not see it as charging
[15:52] <tbruff13> I will be right back
[15:53] <GirlyGirl> tbruff13: Do the laptop indicator lights show charging?
[15:57] <tbruff13> Im back
[15:57] <SilverLion> wb tbruff13
[15:58] <tbruff13> okay if it is pluged up and i unplug it it does not see it as being unpluged
[15:58] <tbruff13> is this a bug i need to report
[16:00] <GirlyGirl> tbruff13: Do the laptop indicator lights show charging?
[16:00] <tbruff13> GirlyGirl: yes
[16:01] <GirlyGirl> tbruff13: Does it show discarging?
[16:01] <GirlyGirl> tbruff13: While it is charging, check the output of "acpi" in terminal
[16:02] <tbruff13> GirlyGirl: when i booted it up it was pluged in so it said charging when i upplug it it does not change
[16:03] <brad_> when a license agreement pops up in the terminal after downloading, how do you accept or get by it? It won't let me type or click anything
[16:03] <GirlyGirl> tbruff13: Check the output of the command "acpi" in terminal while 1) Not chaging, 2) Discharging, 3) CHarging
[16:03] <GirlyGirl> brad_: try TAB
[16:03] <GirlyGirl> brad_: TAB, arrow keys and enter to navigate
[16:05] <brad_> GirlyGirl: wow, thanks. Lovin Linux thus far..
[16:17] <brad_> how do I get a program to install from my downloads? it only opens as files.. I'm talking about adobe flash and openoffice
[16:18] <DarthFrog> brad_:  Are they .deb files?
[16:18] <brad_> no
[16:18] <DarthFrog> brad_: Then don't even try to install them.  Don't go outside the package management system; that's asking for disaster.
[16:19] <DarthFrog> Instead, use muon to install/manage software.
[16:20] <brad_> Ok. fyi, This is a fresh install of linux, and muon has crashed everytime I try to open it..
[16:20] <DarthFrog> Try running it from the command line and see what errors it reports.  If any.
[16:21] <DarthFrog> A fresh install?  OK, then let's bring your system up to date.
[16:21] <DarthFrog> From the command line, type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:21] <DarthFrog> All on one line, including the "&&".
[16:22] <GirlyGirl> DarthFrog: Might be a good idea to put him on KDE 4.8 series as in really makes 11.10 a lot more stable
[16:22] <DarthFrog> BTW, the "&&" means: if the first command finishes successfully, then (and only then) executre the second command.
[16:23] <DarthFrog> GirlyGirl: I'll let you do that but he should update his system first.
[16:23] <brad_> DarthFrog: muon from the command line worked.. awesome. running suggestions now
[16:24] <GirlyGirl> DarthFrog: Waste of bandwidth doing that as then he will update 4.7.1 to 4.7.4 then to 4.8.1 when he could do one update only
[16:24] <GirlyGirl> brad_: Have a look at this post I found on uf http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1889034
[16:25] <fujisan> hello history
[16:25] <rttlesnke> Hi. Can anyone tell me about this error-"Do you want KDE to permanently forget about these devices?" It occurs frequently and then theres no audio unless I restart.
[16:25] <fujisan> how do i run kubuntu apps on OS X?
[16:25] <brad_> GirlyGirl: thanks for link
[16:25] <fujisan> GirlyGirl:  can you help me too?
[16:26] <brad_> DarthFrog: Im up to date..
[16:26] <GirlyGirl> fujisan: Its a pluseaudio, sound or alsa problem not a kde one
[16:26] <fujisan> huh?
[16:26] <DarthFrog> brad_: Good stuff.
[16:26] <fujisan> i think you are confused GirlyGirl
[16:26] <fujisan> i asked something else
[16:26] <rttlesnke> fujisan: that was for me
[16:26] <fujisan> ye
[16:27] <fujisan> sorry for confusing you GirlyGirl
[16:27] <GirlyGirl> fujisan: Sorry wrong person
[16:27] <fujisan> no problem i forgive you ;-)
[16:27] <brad_> DarthFrog: you know of an autoshutdown type program out there I could d/l
[16:27] <GirlyGirl> brad_: kshutdown
[16:27] <brad_> thanks
[16:27] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: any idea not to fix it? i read about pulseaudio crashes somewhere.
[16:27] <rttlesnke> any idea how* to fix it
[16:28] <GirlyGirl> rttlesnke: What sound card do you have?
[16:28] <DarthFrog> brad_:  To shutdown your machine at a specific time?  Use cron.  It's already installed.
[16:29] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: can i find that out using KInfoCenter?
[16:29] <GirlyGirl> rttlesnke: lspci
[16:30] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: Audio device: Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)
[16:31] <fujisan> i want to run amarok on OS X
[16:31] <brad_> DarthFrog: thanks
[16:31] <fujisan> am i in the right channel?
[16:32] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: ?
[16:33] <GirlyGirl> rttlesnke: When did this problem start?
[16:33] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: well i dont know much about that, but it does occur occasionaly.
[16:33] <GirlyGirl> rttlesnke: Did you install anything before it happened and does your sound work at al?
[16:35] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: sorry but i dont remember if any installations caused that problem. But when I restart, it works normally. it occurs randomly.
[16:35] <fujisan> is the new Kubuntu nice?
[16:35] <fujisan> i havent used it since 2008
[16:36] <GirlyGirl> rttlesnke: If its random then I think you should report a bug, also see how to enable apport, that might make the bug report useful
[16:36] <brad_> fujisan: I'm on it now, windows conversion for me, I used mint and ubuntu a little a few years ago, I'm really liking kubuntu now
[16:37] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: thanks i'll look into it. any more info
[16:37] <rttlesnke> ?
[16:37] <GirlyGirl> rttlesnke: Not really, settings are right as you said it stops randomly ... or if you are adventurous use 12.04 beta
[16:38] <GirlyGirl> brad_: Have a look at this http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.1
[16:38] <rttlesnke> GirlyGirl: Can you tell me whats pulseaudio? I think I read somewhere that its very crashy.
[16:38] <GirlyGirl> brad_: Most Kubuntu users tend to prefer using the current versions of KDE as it makes the system more stable
[16:38] <GirlyGirl> !pulseaudio | rttlesnke
[16:40] <rttlesnke> ?
[16:47] <brad_> GirlyGirl: thanks, working on that now
[16:59] <brad_> GirlyGirl: I'm following the link you gave me to update kde, but I don't have an add/remove programs within system settings, tried installing kpackagekit, and I can't access that... hmm
[17:00] <GirlyGirl> brad_: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa  sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports  sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:00] <GirlyGirl> these commands should update it
[17:00] <GirlyGirl> "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/ppa"  "sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports"  "sudo apt-get update"  "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[17:00] <GirlyGirl> brad_: ^^
[17:00] <GirlyGirl> brad_: enter them seperately
[17:03] <Floh79> Hi I'd like do a write test my new sdhc-card. I tried with `dd count=1k bs=1M if=/dev/zero of=testfile`.
[17:03] <Floh79> I got following speed: 1,2 GB/s. This can't be true.
[17:03] <Floh79> Maybe could anyone of you tell me how can I do a write test?
[17:04] <brad_> GirlyGirl: thanks. on the dist upgrade now. any idea why add/remove may be missing/in a different place? i guess I'll just get better at command
[17:04] <brad_> !
[17:04] <BluesKaj> brad_,  an add/remove programs equivalent in kubuntu as an app in the kmenu>apps>system>package manager/muon . install amd remove apps/programs
[17:05] <GirlyGirl> brad_: Its renamed to something else in 11.10 , existed in an older version
[17:05] <BluesKaj> !muon | brad_
[17:06] <brad_> cool thanks
[17:07] <BluesKaj> Floh79,  sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdaX or hde aX or whatever the device/partition is named as
[17:08] <BluesKaj> hde aX=hdaX
[17:09] <Floh79> BluesKaj: It does only read test. But I want know the write speed.
[17:09] <Floh79> BluesKaj: But still thank you. :)
[17:09] <BluesKaj> Floh79,  sudo hdparm -I /dev/sdxx | grep -i speed
[17:13] <Floh79> BluesKaj: I tried that command and got that: "HDIO_DRIVE_CMD(identify) failed: Invalid argument"
[17:15] <BluesKaj> Floh79,  do sudo fdisk -l to fnd the right name to substitute for /dev/sda
[17:15] <BluesKaj> or sdxx
[17:16] <Floh79> BluesKaj: Its mmcblk0p1
[17:16] <Flutiju`> !kimpanel
[17:17] <BluesKaj> Floh79,  pastebin sudo fdisk -l please
[17:19] <Floh79> BluesKaj: http://pastebin.com/eSYctn97
[17:19] <Floh79> BluesKaj: Ah sorry... I forgot to change language. Shall I redo with English language?
[17:21] <BluesKaj> Floh79,  no , you're using a fat32 file system , it's not real good on kubuntu , ntfs is much better
[17:22] <BluesKaj> for a backupo drive
[17:22] <Floh79> BluesKaj: Sure you're right. But this card is for my Digital Camera which cannot ntfs or ext4. ;)
[17:23] <BluesKaj> ok Floh79 hence the strange strange device name
[17:24] <BluesKaj> strange , how repeat myself..self :)
[17:24] <Floh79> BluesKaj: I didn't modify kubuntu. Dunno why the cards are called so.
[17:25] <Floh79> BluesKaj: Its ok to repeat. :)
[17:25] <BluesKaj> no matter Floh79 as long as the test works and doesn't erase anything
[17:26] <Floh79> BluesKaj: Well I'd like to benchmark my card so I know if its a good card but not a plagiarism.
[17:28] <BluesKaj> aha , Floh79 ,..worried about a phony device , yes , I've had some problems withlocal offics supply company selling "knockoff" printer cartridges as just one example
[17:28] <BluesKaj> office supply
[17:29] <Floh79> I see.
[17:31] <BluesKaj> printer wouldn't print ...the seller was unaware that his supplier was buying phony printer supplies from China.
[17:32] <Floh79> Couldn't you bring back this product?
[17:32] <brad_> any good open source programs similar to skype? or should I just go with skye, suggestions...?
[17:33] <Floh79> brad_: Maybe kopete?
[17:33] <marcelius_> but using a skype account?
[17:33] <BluesKaj> Floh79,  yes , he refunded my money ...I  bought the proper cartridges from another retailer
[17:34] <Floh79> BluesKaj: Good. Since not always someone get back his money. *sigh*
[17:34] <marcelius_> I heard about Asterisk, but did not try it yet...
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Floh79,  the office supply owner was very upset since he was paying his supplier full price , he told us he was not dealing with the phony anylonger
[17:36] <BluesKaj> brad_,  skype works ok on most setups in kubuntu. It should be fine on yours
[17:37] <marcelius_> brad_ right-click on the installer, go to permissions and mark it as executable
[17:38] <brad_> thanks guys
[17:38] <marcelius_> if u still cannot see it listed under application, just reboot your machine. cheers
[17:40] <mohsen> how can i connect to a HTTPS proxy and all connections , connect trough this ? just like vpn connection .
[17:41] <Floh79> BluesKaj: I see.
[17:42] <Floh79> Well, I'll continue my work here. Thank you again BluesKaj.
[17:42] <mohsen> no one can help me? how can i connect to a HTTPS proxy and all connections , connect trough this ? just like vpn connection .
[17:43] <mohsen> how can i connect to a HTTPS proxy and all connections , connect trough this ? just like vpn connection .
[17:43] <BluesKaj> !patience | mohsen
[17:46] <mohsen> ok . i googled it , i find out that i have to creat a ssh tunnel , but it's failed ! ...
[17:47] <Floh79> See ya!
[17:47] <BluesKaj> bye Floh79
[17:47] <tanolino> Hi
[17:48] <SilverLion> tanolino, hi there
[17:48] <BluesKaj> mohsen,  are trying to connect to IRC through a proxy or...?
[17:48] <tanolino> I am a bit new in here ... sup?
[17:48] <fdoving> mohsen: you need some kind of outgoing firewall-rules to catch all connections, then forward them to some kind of SOCKS proxy, why don't you just use VPN?
[17:49] <fdoving> mohsen: check this out: http://darkk.net.ru/redsocks/
[17:50] <mohsen> BluesKaj : or what? i don't get it
[17:50] <SilverLion> tanolino, pretty much ;)
[17:51] <mohsen> fdoving : VPN in my country blocked .
[17:51] <tanolino> @SilverLion is it okay for me to be here ... i guess the chat is calles kubuntu xD and im  using Ubuntu Unite
[17:51] <BluesKaj> mohsen,  pls expalin more clearly what you are trying to do
[17:52] <SilverLion> tanolino, then you might want to go to #ubuntu-beginners, #ubuntu or #ubuntu-offtopic ;)
[17:52] <BluesKaj> tanolino,  Unity questions can be answered in #ubuntu chat
[17:52] <fdoving> mohsen: then i would check out the redsocks link i gave you.
[17:52] <mohsen> i want to brows the web troght the proxy or use an app trogh that . i tryed to use the proxy setting in firefox , but not worked .
[17:53] <tanolino> i got no questions about unite ... i m just using unite :D ... and i just installed a irc client with this channel as default
[17:54] <tanolino> what are the topics in this channel ?
[17:54] <mohsen> BluesKaj : i want to brows the web troght the proxy or use an app trogh that . i tryed to use the proxy setting in firefox , but not worked
[17:57] <SilverLion> tanolino, i have not only mentioned the ubuntu-support chan ;) there is a sozialize chan
[18:12] <tanolino> moep
[18:13] <Riddell> Philip5: hi, could you join us in #kubuntu-devel ? there's a wee problem with your packages
[18:21] <Daskreech> tanolino, Support. Or you could read the output of /topic
[18:22] <Daskreech> tanolino, Mostly Kubuntu and KDE related issues
[18:25] <Daskreech> Bah someone said something to me but this client has no backlog buffer :(
[18:28] <Linkmaster> I have an issue with sound in two of my computers running kubu11.10 - kmix does not control external application sounds, e.g., amarok, youtube, etc. The only way to adjust the volume is to install alsamixer, and fix it via CLI(i figured that out on my own). What I would like to figure out is, how to make kmixer manage it itself, since one of the computers is my moms, and I don't want her to have issues
[18:32] <BluesKaj>  Linkmaster . look in system settings>multimedia>phonon>audio hardware setup , setup you audio devices there , thenmake sure all ctrls that you need to use are turned up in alsamixer and unmuted , no MM in the ctl boxes
[18:32] <Daskreech> that's strange. sure that it's not the wrong device it's using?
[18:33] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I shall take a look to see if it works
[18:34] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: it just gives me two options, both labeled as 'internal audio'
[18:37] <DaemonFC> that KCM module basically just replicated pavucontrol and the setup that pulseaudio configures itself for may not even be appropriate for your system
[18:38] <DaemonFC> for example, mine lists an audio device that doesn't even work (radeon HDMI audio), so I just set that to off so Pulseaudio ignores it
[18:38] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  some ppl use pavucontrol or veromix
[18:38] <DaemonFC> and then some stupid applications, mostly ones like Adobe Trash like to use the first input they come across that the system tells them about, so I have to set my internal audio to analog output instead of analog duplex
[18:39] <Linkmaster> let me install those, I might have used pavucontrol two years ago, but for a long time the default worked just fine
[18:39] <DaemonFC> as Pulseaudio has a history of doing bizarre things, that's, totally not the most confusing thing that it's done to me
[18:39] <BluesKaj> DaemonFC,  if you have an hdmi output on your video card it will be listed as an audio device in phonon, most just ignore it.
[18:39] <DaemonFC> tl;dr, you might have to fiddle with it until it works
[18:40] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: Well, it's an awkard situation there.
[18:40] <Linkmaster> because i installed alsamixer, I know my cards name is 'HDA ATI SB', but that doesn't show up at all..
[18:40] <DaemonFC> AMD won't document the HDMI audio feature of my card because the way the card is designed, documenting HDMI audio could lead to Microsoft's Windows DRM being broken (in yet another way, but that's beside the point)
[18:41] <DaemonFC> so while it was recently implemented through reverse engineering (hooray!) that won't land until Linux 3.3 (boo!)
[18:41] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  2 yrs ago a lot of users didn't need pulseaudio for anything ...today it's different , unfortunately
[18:42] <Linkmaster> I noticed. I sometimes forget how fast linux evolves, things from 6 monthes ago are nearly obsolete. Its almost amusing
[18:42] <DaemonFC> so until something pulls in Linux 3.3, the kernel exposes the device but it's entirely non-functional
[18:42] <DaemonFC> which means I can do three things: Continue not caring, build Linux 3.3 myself, or wait for a kernel backport from Ubuntu 12.10
[18:43] <ikonia> I wouldn't expect a backport
[18:43] <DaemonFC> they have backports to LTS from current releases in a PPA afaik
[18:43] <DaemonFC> are they going to change that for 12.04?
[18:43] <ikonia> I personally wouldn't expect it
[18:44] <ikonia> and a PPA isn't an "official" back port, it's just what $someone has done
[18:44] <DaemonFC> the last time I tried maintaining kernel packages myself, I ended up browsing through the Ubuntu kernel git cherry picking patches
[18:44] <DaemonFC> mostly for YAMA (which isn't upstream) and AppArmor (which might as well not be)
[18:45] <DaemonFC> I'm not eager to go there again
[18:45] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: Not allways some ppa's like xorg-edgers , kubuntu-ppa etc are maintained by k/ Ubuntu devs
[18:45] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  what does aplay -l give ?
[18:46] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: that doesn't make them any better, xorg-edgers is a common system breaker
[18:46] <brad_> anyone running spotify.. maybe in  wine?
[18:46] <Linkmaster> update - I loaded up the kmix properties, and I can change the volume with one of the sliders, but changing the volume with hotkeys/kmix shortcut doesn't do anything
[18:47] <GirlyGirl> ikonia: I never said they were reliable, that's the whole point of putting it in a ppa, kubuntu-ppa and kubuntu-ppa-backports are stable though
[18:47] <ikonia> GirlyGirl: thats not the whole point
[18:47] <DaemonFC> I ended up doing that before too
[18:47] <DaemonFC> opening up xorg-edgers, pulling the kernel and then closing it back up
[18:47] <ikonia> they are PPA - PERSONAL package archive, that's the point, it's $someone's work
[18:48] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/442406/
[18:49] <DaemonFC> ikonia: I don't suppose it would do any good at this point to suggest that they backport the HDMI audio patch into the LTS kernel
[18:49] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, 3.3 is at most 3 months away
[18:49] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: oh wow..I completely missed something here. I was able to change a setting that didn't used to be there, in my memory that is
[18:50] <DaemonFC> it's not huge and I don't see any potential for it to do anything but bring up hardware that previously didn't do anything at all
[18:50] <ikonia> DaemonFC: I'd say the odds are negative 1
[18:50] <Linkmaster> DaemonFC: meaning that you, with your advice about monkeying with it until I get it, was correct
[18:50] <DaemonFC> Linkmaster: Yeah, they should just replace all of their man pages with "screw around until it works"
[18:51] <DaemonFC> their official documentation for Pulseaudio is usually less effective and takes longer to read
[18:51] <Daskreech> Linkmaster, Set the default to the device slider that works
[18:51] <Linkmaster> Daskreech: I just did that, and it works flawlessly. thanks you all for helping me out with probably the simplest problem I have seen yet =P
[18:51] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, That could be a compliment
[18:52] <Daskreech> Linkmaster, Good thing we are the simplest people you could talk to X-D
[18:52] <DaemonFC> The main reason I'm not terribly concerned with HDMI audio is because it still wouldn't make HDMI real useful for me
[18:52] <DaemonFC> the device I want to hook it up to forces overscan and the open source radeon driver can't compensate for that
[18:52] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,   cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[18:53] <Linkmaster> ATI R6xx HDMI
[18:53] <DaemonFC> according to the ZOMG industry standard, with 1920 x 1080 HD TV sets, the output source to them should assume it will overscan and that there's nothing the user can do about it
[18:53] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  ok , now this , cat /proc/asound/modules
[18:54] <DaemonFC> although some expensive televisions do let the user override that
[18:54] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: http://paste.kde.org/442412/
[18:54] <DaemonFC> and thanks to the other ZOMG industry standard, EDID, not mandating that the display tells the source device whether it forces overscan or not, there's no way for a graphics driver to know what to do
[18:55] <DaemonFC> hilarity ensues
[18:55] <DaemonFC> AMD's proprietary driver bundle literally has a configuration menu that tells the user to play around until they can see everything on their display :)
[18:55] <DaemonFC> Nvidia too
[18:56] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  the reason i'm asking for these outputs is we need to make sure that the proper driver module is the default
[18:56] <DaemonFC> but it gets better, their Windows bundles assume that there is overscan and if there isn't, it will smoosh and warp the image and not let the user do anything about it
[18:56] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: I figured you had something useful in mind about that. does everything appear in order?
[18:57]  * DaemonFC headdesks and decides the lack of HDMI audio is, not terribly important
[18:57] <BluesKaj> and it is ...what was the setting that fixed your problem Linkmaster ...would be good to know for future reference
[18:57]  * Linkmaster is embaressed
[18:57] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  yes the modules/drivers are correct
[18:57] <Linkmaster> right-click on kmix, 'select master channel'
[18:58] <DaemonFC> yeah, that works too unless you use software that doesn't respect that
[18:58] <Linkmaster> that option wasn't there in the past, so I assumed it still wouldn't be there. So I've been using my workaround for nearly 4 months, when that option was there the entire time(or at least with KDE4.8)
[18:58] <DaemonFC> disabling devices and features you can't or don't use in the KCM module leaves them no choice but to do the right thing
[18:59] <DaemonFC> so, it's better to leave the application nowhere to go
[18:59] <DaemonFC> :D
[18:59] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster,  once alsamixer and kmix are set , I leave kmix alone ... alsa and phonon/pulse usually need the changes'
[19:00] <DaemonFC> actually, there's only two applications I know of that insist on doing stupid things with input and output sinks
[19:00] <DaemonFC> Flash and Skype
[19:01] <Daskreech> Flash. Not surprising
[19:01] <Daskreech> Skype kinda is
[19:01] <Linkmaster> BluesKaj: indeed, I understand. thanks for your help
[19:01] <DaemonFC> Skype isn't surprising either
[19:01] <DaemonFC> especially now that Microsoft owns them
[19:02] <DaemonFC> there hasn't been a Linux release since then afaik
[19:02] <Daskreech> no there has't been
[19:03] <Daskreech> But the main purpose of Skype is audio
[19:03] <Daskreech> So a little strange they would ignore Audio settings
[19:04] <BluesKaj> Linkmaster, 'welcome :)
[19:04] <DaemonFC> proprietary software does all kinds of crazy misbehaved things
[19:05] <DaemonFC> it's just a matter of how egregiously it misbehaves
[19:05] <DaemonFC> and if it can had any/most/all of it from the user
[19:05] <BluesKaj> skype is very visually oriented , almost as if audio is an afterthought
[19:05] <DaemonFC> some manage to pull that off even though the internals are pretty ugly
[19:06] <DaemonFC> *hide
[19:06] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: You mean bling bling, doesn't work and doesn't have to because it's got zomg market capitalization, yo dawg!
[19:06] <DaemonFC> B-)
[19:07] <DaemonFC> leave it to the user to figure out how to sort out the mess
[19:08]  * BluesKaj wonders what "H" DaemonFC is talking about, " because it's got zomg market capitalization, yo dawg!"
[19:09] <DaemonFC> I think their goal is to make the user give up and install Windows
[19:09] <BluesKaj> what the "H" :)
[19:09] <DaemonFC> but gmail voice and video has surprisingly good Linux support now
[19:10] <DaemonFC> eventually that will work reliably enough to use through your favorite telepathy client
[19:10] <BluesKaj> ahh , conspiracies to left of me , big brother to the right ..:)
[19:11] <DaemonFC> Skype is kind of in limbo right now, on Linux
[19:11] <BluesKaj> yeah , gmail is out to put skype down ...
[19:11] <DaemonFC> they've gone totally silent since Microsoft bought them and their 2.2 beta is still "around"
[19:11] <DaemonFC> I think it's obvious where this is headed
[19:12] <DaemonFC> one day that will just return "page not found"
[19:12] <DaemonFC> and that will be that
[19:13] <BluesKaj> well, gonna go outside for few mins to enjoy the great spring weather ...wish I had my laptop , i'd be sitting out there right now
[19:13] <BluesKaj> BBL
[19:13] <DaemonFC> I do have my tablet....
[19:14] <DaemonFC> I might try to figure out how to jailbreak that thing and get Plasma Active on it at some point
[19:15] <Daskreech> Should be interesting to see what happens when Linux can't use the Skype Protocol anymore
[19:15] <DaemonFC> the sooner the better
[19:16] <DaemonFC> so people will stop thinking it's socially acceptable to promote it with "Oh look, it has a broken Linux package that hasn't been maintained since 2010!1112"
[19:19] <Daskreech> Lets see if SIP suddenly gets noticed
[19:19] <DaemonFC> Flash and Skype are what happens in the absence of agreed-upon standards
[19:20] <DaemonFC> people sort out the least common denominator that gives them a fast and easy path to what they're trying to do
[19:21] <DaemonFC> I think there's plenty of room for SIP and Jingle to coexist even though they both provide much the same functionality
[19:21] <DaemonFC> there's no reason you can't implement a service on either protocol that can dial out to landline and cell phones, GMail is already doing that
[19:22] <DaemonFC> at that point you get at least part of the problem of Skype though, SaaS
[19:22] <Daskreech> There isn't really SaaS issue there
[19:22] <DaemonFC> the key difference is that someone could compete with Google using SIP or Jingle whereas nobody can compete with Skype using their protocol
[19:23] <DaemonFC> and that should, in theory, keep things more balanced
[19:24] <DaemonFC> I think killing off Kopete and going with Telepathy for KDE was the right call for 12.04, some of the other distributions in testing are going there too
[19:24] <Daskreech> Right as long as someone can implement the service themselves SaaS isn't a problem
[19:24]  * Daskreech likes kopete
[19:25] <DaemonFC> it's going to set up the next generation of KDE distributions to be in a better position to do voice/video
[19:25] <DaemonFC> Daskreech: I wasn't really sure what to make of the Kopete removal at first, until I started using the Telepathy client
[19:26] <DaemonFC> I'm convinced this is the future for KDE
[19:26] <Daskreech> Yeah I haven't done that I'll admit :)
[19:26] <Daskreech> Oh me too
[19:26]  * Daskreech still likes Kopete
[19:27] <DaemonFC> yeah, there was a project to bridge Kopete to Telepathy to replace Kopete's IM protocol libraries
[19:27] <DaemonFC> I'm not sure if that is still around
[19:27] <Linkmaster> should this card work natively under kubuntu? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=33-166-073&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo
[19:28] <DaemonFC> Linkmaster: Depends on who made the chipset for it
[19:29] <Linkmaster> there is a rtl8192ce driver for it, I just don't know whether its included or not
[19:30] <DaemonFC> http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
[19:30] <DaemonFC> According to Debian, support was introduced in Linux 2.6.38
[19:31] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, long as telepaathy client gets Ctrl+Shift+I I'm fine
[19:31] <DaemonFC> which means the corresponding firmware should be too unless your distribution strips it out, but Ubuntu doesn't and 11.10 uses Linux 3.0
[19:31] <DaemonFC> so yeah, it *should* work
[19:32] <DaemonFC> just don't ever get anything that says "Oh yeah, we support Linux with this blob"
[19:32] <orated> Hello! Is it possible to have tabs in text-editor kate instead of split views?
[19:32] <DaemonFC> I'm not sure if any wifi vendors still try to pull that
[19:34] <DaemonFC> by blob I mean driver blob, like "Oh, here's 300 MB of crap and we tested it out on Ubuntu 9.10!"
[19:35] <DaemonFC> binary firmware is almost impossible to avoid, so it shouldn't really influence your buying decisions and it's included in Linux-Firmware anyway
[19:35] <DaemonFC> anything more involved than plugging hardware in, turning the computer on and it works is unreasonable
[20:01] <Daskreech> orated, yes I think so might be a command line option to it though
[20:01] <Daskreech> DaemonFC, You can get non binary firmware
[20:01] <kaddi> hi i need some help with amarok loosing sound. It worked fine two weeks ago, but i can't get it to make any sound now. vlc and others re working fine. I'm using amarok 2.5 and kubuntu 11.10
[20:02] <Daskreech> There were no changes to Amarok?
[20:02] <kaddi> not that i remember
[20:02] <kaddi> bt  didn't pay particular attention
[20:05] <Daskreech> Does Amarok attempt to play the audio?
[20:06] <kaddi> well i click play, it starts playing, there's just no sound
[20:06] <kaddi> so i think it attempts but nothing happens somehow
[20:06] <rcn_> hi
[20:07] <Daskreech> Hi
[20:07] <rcn_> hi
[20:07] <Daskreech> kaddi, and it's not muted etc ?
[20:07] <kaddi> nope
[20:08] <kaddi> sound also seems to be working for all other applications
[20:10] <Daskreech> Errrm
[20:11] <Daskreech> kaddi, not sure. I'm about to step out but perhaps #amarok could shed some light?
[20:11] <kaddi> ok
[20:40] <tbruff13> Can anyone tell me how to start an ltsp server once i have it built
[20:49] <tbruff13> can anyone tell me how to start LTSP
[20:50] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can you help me out
[20:50] <Daskreech> !ltsp
[21:09] <phillips321> anyway i can turn off the activities feature of KDE?
[21:09] <phillips321> I dont use, it gets in the way and is just annoying
[21:09] <Daskreech> phillips321, It gets in the way?
[21:10] <Daskreech> can't say I've heard that one before
[21:10] <phillips321> yeah, on a small screen having the button in the top right is just annoying
[21:10] <phillips321> ive just moved over to kubuntu from xubuntu so am used to a 'clean look'
[21:11] <phillips321> i.e. remove as much crap and bloat as i can then slowly add bits im comfy with
[21:14] <BUmsass_> hello
[21:15] <rork> phillips321: I'm afraid that's about the only thing that can't be removed (at least I don't know how, I thought it was impossible). However, for you can move it,you might be able to hide it behind the pannel.
[21:16] <almoxarife> phillips321: you can strip activities or install the 'low-fat' / 'fat-free' settings , worked for me
[21:16] <phillips321> yeah, currnetly hidden lower right behind the clock... was just worried of extra cpu cycles... :-)
[21:16] <phillips321> fat free settings?
[21:16] <phillips321> got a URL?
[21:16] <almoxarife> phillips321: its not a download, use muon or synaptic to find it
[21:17] <phillips321> ah ok, will have a gander now
[21:17] <phillips321> cheers
[21:24] <Daskreech> Bumsass, Hello
[21:47] <dsfsd> hi ikonia
[21:47] <ikonia> hi
[23:17] <iluwka> привет
[23:17] <iluwka> кто есть русский?
[23:17] <iluwka> я скачал убунту и установил теперь ищу книгу чтобы освоить консоль
[23:17] <iluwka> подскажи
[23:17] <iluwka> теъ
[23:17] <iluwka> где скачать книгу
[23:17] <FloodBotK1> iluwka: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:34] <DaemonFC> !ru
[23:34] <DaemonFC> oh, didn't see that they had left