[00:30] \o/ [00:30] Oh goodness I can't breathe I'm laughing so hard [00:35] BluesKaj, hi :) [01:07] I've dropped in a blank cd into the drive and the system responds asking if I want to create an audio or data cd.. however when I open k3b it doesn't recognize a blank disk in the drive. (happens with several disks) how do I fix this? [01:20] Can someone help me out [01:21] Does anyone know the exact day when Kubuntu 12.04 is coming out [01:23] Scunizi, Umm only thing I could think of is open k3b with kdesudo ? [01:23] tbruff13, Last thursday in the month from which it's names [01:23] Named [01:24] Daskreech: what date is that [01:24] Daskreech: okay here is the issue I am running into I am doing a huge School Board presentation for a Senior Project [01:25] The Porfolio is due on April 10th [01:25] will it be out by then [01:25] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule?action=show&redirect=PreciseReleaseSchedule [01:25] Not if it's the last Thursday :) [01:25] Daskreech: will the beta become the main release or will a reinstall be required [01:26] Regardless you can show whatever is out on that day it would be in hard freeze and you can just run a normal update on the release day to get the final product [01:26] Daskreech: because if the beta can be updated to the main release then i can turn the beta release into my teacher and present the main release [01:26] tbruff13, Long as they don't need a snapshot of a state that would work [01:27] Daskreech: what do you mean a snapshot of a state? [01:28] I mean if what they are judging means they can't update anything. If they are looking at a concept or something they expect to change in the future that would be fine [01:30] Daskreech: what they a judging is the usefulness of Kubuntu for a School system they can update whenever they need [01:31] The alternative is for them to be forced to use 10.04.4 which only has support for one more year :( [01:31] Canonical has agreed to support Kubuntu in my instance [01:31] tbruff13, You would be fine then [01:31] As long as it's something future facing [01:31] Daskreech: so can i start work on the beta release [01:31] tbruff13, That's what I do ^_^ [01:31] and then update to be a normal release later [01:32] If i get distracted I sometimes don't notice that it's been released [01:32] or will i have to wait for the official release to come out [01:32] it's just Thursday for me [01:32] plus I have it before everyone :) [01:32] Daskreech: I need to know if starting with a beta will create any stability issues [01:33] because a whole parish of schools will be relying on this [01:34] tbruff13, I can't answer that. I can't even tell you if starting with a final release will be stable. [01:34] in general once it's hit beta the craziness slows down. [01:35] Daskreech: but upgrading a beta will be the same as a downloading the main release correct [01:35] The Alpha you are lucky if it boots some days. The Beta is pretty much assured to basically work but some little parts may be broken [01:35] The RC etc will be the same as the final release unless something goes horribly wrong [01:36] tbruff13, Upgrading the beta the day after release will get you the same as someone who installed it fresh on that day [01:37] Daskreech: okay then i can start customizations for 12.04 [01:37] and just wait until it comes out [01:37] tbruff13, Yes [01:37] well follow it till it comes out. [01:37] Daskreech: will i be able to update on that day or will the servers be slammed [01:37] Hey there, I've got Kubuntu 12.04 Beta installed in VirtualBox and am not finding some expected software in it. Does it install minus some software if placed into a virtual machine? [01:38] It will help depending on what they are looking to change [01:38] is there not some kind of world clock plasma widget? [01:38] tbruff13, I'd bet on the servers being slammed. It's why I update the day before it releases then wait a week or so [01:38] It's effectively the same as installing the daily the day before [01:38] Daskreech: but I cannot wait I have no time [01:39] Daskreech: will the updates be slow or will they just not wokr [01:39] work [01:39] tbruff13, Update on that day then. It will be slow but hopefully you don't have to sit there and watch them [01:39] slow i can deal with not working i cannot [01:39] tbruff13, They will work but sloooooooow [01:39] littlegirl, What are you missing? also #ubuntu+1 [01:40] Daskreech: how slow is slooooooooow like 100kb/secc [01:40] Daskreech: how slow is slooooooooow like 100kb/sec [01:40] i can deal with that [01:40] tbruff13, Depends on your location and server and how many people have been converted to Ubuntu in the last release [01:41] Daskreech: can i update by a mirror or will that not get me the same result [01:41] Daskreech: Base doesn't seem to be installed (the database from LibreOffice. Is there a way I can find out which software will be included in the default installation? [01:41] tbruff13, if you are updating a whole slew of computer I would look into setting up a local mirror [01:41] Daskreech: just one computer with two vbox installations in it [01:42] I will burn a cd based on them and then give them to the school [01:42] is there not some kind of world clock plasma widget? [01:42] tbruff13, In theory it will be the same but depends on your mirror of course. On some occasions I've found it easier to update from servers across the world as they have less people hammering them [01:42] littlegirl, You can check in #ubuntu+1 I should thinkn [01:42] Daskreech: i will work on this [01:42] Daskreech: I have a contact at Canonical that may be able to help [01:42] Daskreech: Thanks. (: [01:42] JMichaelX, there is some kind of world clock [01:43] tbruff13, Excellent :) [01:43] Daskreech: i will set a reminder for the date when the official comes out [01:45] tbruff13, If you are on the internet you'll likely hear about it. Ubuntu community is pretty good about making a lot of celebratory noise on the release day [01:45] awesome!!! [01:45] deepin software center [01:45] is beautiful [01:45] \o/ [01:46] hi [01:46] hi [01:46] i just installed it [01:46] Daskreech: i am just nervous about not being able to update at all [01:47] Daskreech: will remastersys work on 12.04 if not can you point me in the direction of a program that will [01:47] tbruff13, I've not been in touch with remastersys so I don't know [01:47] I can't imagine why it wouldn't >_> [01:48] I don't know of any reason remastersys would suddenly not work with 12.04 [01:48] but I honestly don't know [01:52] tbruff13, you may also want to hang out in #kubuntu-devel [01:54] I am to work on this [01:56] This? [01:57] getting my project ready for the update [01:58] Daskreech: thank you [01:58] i owe you one [01:59] tbruff13, ;-) [01:59] :) [01:59] tbruff13, Yes but the guys in #kubuntu-devel have been doing updates for a long time they can help [02:00] and obviously they know a lot on KDE and Canonical structure so good crowd to just be around and listen in on [02:01] Daskreech: can i ask you another question [02:01] tbruff13, of course [02:01] The Kubuntu beta release thing warns of a "frequently broken system" in real terms is "broken" usually fixable or like the end of the world broken [02:02] Frequently Broken means unreliable. [02:03] Hello guys I need help [02:03] It may be end of the world broken but end of the world broken could be for 10 minutes [02:03] ExtremeDevilz_, Good place to be then [02:03] I want to install windows 7 but I cant create bootin USB from Kubuntu [02:04] unetbootin ? [02:04] !info unetbootin [02:04] unetbootin (source: unetbootin): installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive. In component universe, is optional. Version 549-2 (oneiric), package size 281 kB, installed size 800 kB [02:04] Ah that might be why :) [02:04] Daskreech: okay another question do they always end up fixed in the ending [02:04] Daskreech: okay another question do they always end up fixed in the end [02:04] tbruff13, that's the point :) [02:04] yes it is unbootable [02:04] Daskreech: ok [02:04] someone told me to use gpart to format [02:04] but I cant get it running [02:04] Daskreech: can i submit bugs? I am not a developer [02:05] ExtremeDevilz_, it being gparted? === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [02:05] tbruff13, If you were a developer you would just fix the bugs eh? [02:05] after entering auth password it does not run [02:05] Daskreech: Nope [02:05] Daskreech: so report anything I see [02:05] ExtremeDevilz_, are you running Kubuntu? [02:05] yes Im [02:06] tbruff13, if you see something broken jump into #ubuntu+1 and ask. Sometimes by the time you have done that it's been fixed already [02:06] In which case you would be wasting your time and their time to submit a bug [02:06] ExtremeDevilz_, try and install partitionmanager [02:06] Daskreech: okay i will see what I can do [02:06] !info partitionmanager [02:06] partitionmanager (source: partitionmanager): A partition management utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.3-0ubuntu4 (oneiric), package size 270 kB, installed size 1048 kB [02:07] Daskreech: do you know anything about Kubuntu and thin clients [02:07] Daskreech: okay hold on mate [02:07] tbruff13, Yes [02:07] Daskreech: do they work? about how many thin clients can run on an average server [02:07] flags boot,ibm [02:07] iba sorry -ibm [02:07] Daskreech: can you do me a quick favor [02:07] "average" [02:08] Daskreech: i dont know [02:08] but it does not boot [02:08] Daskreech: i am just asking if it will work [02:08] and will it be worth it [02:08] going to unetbootin screen it countsdown and then reloop to the countsdown over and over again [02:09] Daskreech: is there any truth to the rumor the Kubuntu is resource heavy [02:09] ExtremeDevilz_, You need to use Windows Tools to write to the USB I would expect. Windows Vista changed the bootloader sequence. Windows 7 changed it again [02:09] so how mate ? [02:09] ExtremeDevilz_: windows tends to fix things that are not broken [02:09] tbruff13, It is but not needily so. It can be pared down pretty well to run on say a 256 MB tablet so [02:09] Daskreech: okay [02:09] ExtremeDevilz_, Possible ask in ##windows ? [02:10] uh this is a Linux issue [02:10] Daskreech: is kubuntu suffering from the same graphics issues Gnome is suffering from [02:10] ExtremeDevilz_: what are you trying to do [02:10] ExtremeDevilz_, Well the issue is getting Windows onto a USB drive. I would presume once that's done you would be happy. THey would be best able to say [02:10] im trying to make a bootable windows 7 usb since Im on netbook [02:10] and despite the name of the channel most of the people there run Linux [02:11] im running Kubuntu [02:11] ExtremeDevilz_: that is a windows issue but one second [02:11] I always wondered how it was possible to get a Windows channel on Freenode [02:11] tbruff13, Depends on what graphics issue you mean [02:11] whatever :) [02:12] ExtremeDevilz_: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2009/12/-the-usb-flash-drive.ars [02:12] Daskreech: the issue about AMD and crashing in Gnome 3 [02:12] DaemonFC, You'll notice it has two hash tags === Drachenblut is now known as Lord_Drachenblut [02:13] tbruff13, Oh doubtful AMD and KDE made peace a while back about KDE 4.3 [02:13] yay [02:13] happyness [02:13] oops [02:13] im tired [02:13] actually, I just reported a AMD Catalyst bug upstream that's rather nasty [02:14] unless you're talking about the open source driver which is very stable but totally unfit for gaming [02:14] GNOME's Current issue is they absolutely require 3D composited drivers. KDE a) has no requirement for that and b) has two levels of software fall back incase the drivers you turn on are broken [02:14] actually, the issue with Catalyst is that it can only run one direct rendered OpenGL app at a time [02:15] try to run two and you're going to crash hard [02:15] and there's a second issue with direct rendering, compositing, and vsync, that's where the choppy rendering comes in [02:15] DaemonFC, Doesn't make a difference in KDE's state. You can just switch drivers or go to software rendering or turn off compositing [02:16] kwin detects fglrx and uses indirect rendering [02:16] there was a blog post by the maintainer of kwin a few days ago where he said that if AMD doesn't get their act together, he may just drop the OpenGL 1/indirect rendering support entirely [02:16] since it's onyl around for ancient hardware and AMD's broken proprietary driver [02:17] DaemonFC, He's going to drop it anyway. [02:18] once that happens, if that happens, then you may end up having to turn compositing off if you use that driver [02:18] and AMD have said they are moving to ELS 2.0 subsequent to that [02:18] (or just use the open source driver) [02:18] so the march goes on. But in anycase we in KDE don't have the same problems they do with video in GNOME [02:19] I don't know how that's going to work, their proprietary driver is bad enough with GLX and they have many bugs spanning years that have gone unresolved [02:19] my spidey sense is telling me that they probably will never make the effort to properly support EGL [02:20] that's just because GNOME made a decision to not support broken or ancient display drivers [02:21] kwin has had the backend that it now gives those drivers for years, so it's not like they had to come up with something from scratch [02:21] the issue before them now seems to be whether it's an undue maintainence burden to keep it around much longer [02:22] Yes :-) and AMD is trying to get to a better place [02:22] the newer OpenGL 2 backend (with mandatory direct rendering) is what you get when kwin determines your running recent open source drivers or a recent nvidia blob and [02:22] *and it's the future [02:22] I understand the trepidation for expecting them to come through with what they say but I support them trying to get there [02:23] well, I think the threat to drop support for them is really more like trying to get them to fix it [02:23] wheever they fall we will point and jeer and laugh till they dust off and we will celebrate anytime they fulfill but I wouldn't discourage them based on past failings [02:23] as long as most software goes to lengths to work around their bugs, there's no incentive to fix those bugs because the user never sees the bugs [02:24] DaemonFC, So far it seems to have been motivating them to at least be more open with the roadmap if it didn't actually impel them to make the changes [02:27] I'd obviously prefer it if they trashed FGLRX and made a more serious committment to their open source drivers [02:27] DaemonFC, Yep and the last time there was a massive KDE bug AMD stepped up and said that was our fault. They submitted the code and closed the bug themselves. [02:27] doubt that it will happen, since FGLRX is mostly just the Windows driver with some kernel glue [02:28] so it's not like it's taking a lot of effort to develop [02:28] Yep And I would guess that long term they would like that as well but that certainly isn't going to happen overnight [02:28] the part that probably costs them the most to maintain is the part that interacts with X [02:28] Would be nice if they eventually made the Windows driver a wrapper for the open driver [02:29] well, they have ported the open source stuff to Windows CE apparently [02:29] with decent results [02:29] Ah X such an amusing anomaly in the FOSS world [02:29] X is 25 years old, was barely adequete in 1987, largely maintained by proprietary software companies and hardware vendors most of its life [02:29] and it's a small miracle it even still works at all [02:31] nobody sane still uses it as it was originally intended because of irrepairable security issues :) [02:31] maybe on a trusted local network that is entirely walled off from the internet [02:45] DaemonFC, You don't run X? [02:46] I was talking about networking [02:49] when did we start on that subject? [02:49] X networking [02:49] http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/the-costs-of-supporting-legacy-hardware/ [02:50] that was originally more or less the entire elevator pitch for X unless you wanted to just run a bunch of xterms or something [02:55] * Daskreech loves xterms [03:26] does anyone here know of world clock plasma widget? i have looked, and cannot seem to find one [03:47] would anyone here know whether or not there is world clock plasma widget? [03:48] JMichaelX: there should be one! [03:48] Daskreech: are you still here [03:49] no >_> [03:49] Daskreech: ha ha I need help Kubuntu 12.04 in virtualbox did not detect my internet connection on install [03:49] Is there anything i need to install once it is booted to correct this or will an update fix what got missed [03:50] no that's a #vbox issue [03:50] Fanfare: if there is, i would love to know what it is called [03:50] and #ubuntu+1 [03:50] Daskreech: i know i am asking once it is loaded can i just update and fix what the installer missed [03:50] JMichaelX, What's the clock supposed to do? [03:50] Daskreech: will an update catch what the installer did not get [03:51] Daskreech: do you not know what a world clock type app does? [03:51] JMichaelX: unlock your desktop, add widget, select category "Date & Time" there you should find it. [03:51] Is that one that shows like the sun on the world? [03:52] tbruff13, The installer missed things? [03:52] Daskreech: i have seen some that do that, but no. [03:52] Daskreech: when i installed it says download updates but i would not let me download them because it did not see my connection to the net [03:52] JMichaelX: if not check packages in your package manager to find more plasma widgets [03:52] Daskreech: the whole idea is to show what time it is in more than one location [03:52] now i am connected when i rebooted do i just update to fix what the installer missed [03:52] tbruff13, ah right yes [03:53] Fanfare: i did that, toherwise i would not be asking in here [03:53] otherwise* [03:53] JMichaelX, http://edu.kde.org/marble/current_0.7.php like that ? [03:53] I'm not on KDE right now but hold on [03:53] JMichaelX: so check your packagemanager or apt-cache search plasma [03:54] JMichaelX: (not in Kubuntu right now) [03:54] Daskreech: don't go to too much trouble. i have actually found i have one installed on one machine.. i just cannot figure out what package it came with [03:55] Fanfare: i just told you i had already checked a package manager [03:55] Daskreech: Kubuntu's new default panel is at the top [03:56] JMichaelX: i have /usr/lib64/kde4/plasma_applet_worldclock.so but dont know the ubuntu package it could be in [03:57] Daskreech: i see what i did oops [03:59] Fanfare: yea, that is what i am trying to figure out. i really do wish that when you go to add a widget, that there was some better indication of what the name of the widget is... it would be even better if it indiacated a package name [03:59] Daskreech: how well do you know 12.04 [04:00] can you take a look at a log I made and tell me things that wont work on 12.04 [04:00] apt-file will tell you what package it's from [04:00] ok, this world clock widget is associated with marble, as Daskreech thought, but this is not a world clock widget i want. [04:01] anyways, many thanks for the suggestions Daskreech & Fanfare [04:01] JMichaelX, :) Did ask what you wanted [04:02] JMichaelX: Yes, it would also be grat if the applet-manager could understand translations in the *.desktop file, so one could find Weltzeituhr if he is looking for worldclock [04:03] tbruff13, Gone? [04:03] Fanfare, it doesn't? That's a bug [04:03] Daskreech: yes you did. most world clock apps i have ever seen are set up to show you what time it is in multiple locations... this marble world clock is fancier, but does not do the basic job of showing the times unless you hover over it [04:04] So you want to see multiple cities times at the same time? [04:04] Daskreech: no, it doesnt. I have german here. and searching for world gives no results [04:04] Fanfare: yea, translations would slo be good... but if there were just some indication of the widgets name, even, it would be very helpful [04:05] Daskreech: yes, that is what most such apps do [04:05] in my experience, at least [04:05] i didnt know it should , as i know the K-menu doe not either. [04:05] JMichaelX, I am almost sure I've seen that done with the standard clock already [04:05] Fanfare, I'd still consider that a bug [04:06] Daskreech: do u check bko? [04:06] Daskreech: i would not be shocked. i looked to see whether or not it could do that, but didn't see how [04:06] couse i need to go to bed :-( [04:07] Fanfare, yes [04:07] Daskreech: k, thx [04:07] Good night Fanfare [04:07] Hi DarkriftX [04:07] :-) [04:07] bah [04:07] hi Darkwing [04:09] http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=212&t=98091 [04:09] JMichaelX, don't know if that helps [04:10] Daskreech: many thanks again. i'll take a look at that [04:12] Daskreech: looks like a person may just need to add multiple digital clock [04:12] Daskreech: i just added one. it seems to indicate that it is set to UTC, which is clearly not the case [04:12] You can have multiple cities in the tooltip [04:13] not really a one glance solution but .... [04:13] yea, i don't want to have to do the tooltip [04:13] plus, i turn off all KDE tooltips i can... including the informational ones [04:14] to me, KDE tooltips are incredibly annoying [04:15] but that may not be the case with anyone else [04:16] Yeah I like them but I can easily see them being annoying [04:17] i hate them... any time you hover over a widget, something pops up that will not go away for a while, unless you hover over it again to make it go away.... anyways, that is all personal preference [04:17] kubuntu rawks!!! [04:18] it looks like the clock widget only does time for multiple locations in the tooltip [04:18] still dont miss os x [04:20] uberdub, :) [04:20] what up? [04:21] JMichaelX, Yeah Not seeing something easily to what you want [04:21] I guess a popup with X numberof cities and the times? [04:21] uberdub, Not a whole lot [04:21] Daskreech: nope.... i should learn how to make one. [04:21] hmm, though i was on freenode [04:21] JMichaelX, Qml. Should be easy(ish) [04:22] uberdub, and you are :) [04:22] yep, my bad [04:22] Daskreech: i also try to shut off as many popup notifications as possible [04:22] i pretty much have no KDE tooltips or popups on any of my KDE machines [04:23] Hmm notifications are part of the systray now I think. though yo ucan just universally shut those off [04:23] I have a friend who does that within an activity [04:24] yea, i think that is where i shut mine off. [04:24] so yeah, when does 12.04 release? [04:24] i realize most people probably like them [04:27] i have a strange question... i am not even sure how to describe this, on one of my machines, when switching virtual desktops... when the cube rotates, the widgets all kind turn sideways (or something like that) as the cube turns. would anyone know what effect that would be? [04:28] i have looked through all the effects several times, but cannot seem to find where i could shut that off [04:29] First time using quassel.....how do I join different channels? [04:30] uberdub: i have never used quassel, but the most common way to join an IRC channel is: '/join #channel-name' [04:30] JMichaelX, did you check the settings for the cube? [04:31] uberdub, type /join #quassel for instance [04:31] ahh ok. I forget the commands if I get lazy, and dont use them for long periods of time. [04:31] Daskreech: i believe i have a few times... i'll look again [04:31] android channel would be nice [04:31] I never use cube so I'm not sure [04:31] uberdub, #android [04:33] or more likely ##android [04:33] sweet [04:33] just got my first one, xperia play [04:33] uberdub: i imagine that quassel probably has a way of showing all of the available channels on whichever network you are connected to [04:33] that would be /list [04:33] but on Freenode that's easily a few thousand channels [04:34] I would guess /list android would limit it to the android related channels [04:34] yeah figured it out [04:35] :-) [04:35] thanks [04:35] just needed to see it typed, and its like riding a bike [04:35] Ive been running linux since slack 10 or so [04:35] You need to keep going.. preferred if it's downhill? [04:36] kubuntu is really awesome [04:36] It's a fun distro :) [04:36] yeah, linux has come a long way [04:36] Yep [04:36] its been a really cool evolution to watch [04:36] been running since redhat 4 [04:37] nice [04:37] so like KDE 1.x [04:37] me too...I like the eye candy [04:37] I use kairo dock [04:37] I like that it does what i tell it to do [04:37] err cairo [04:37] ha ha that mistake is allowed her :-) [04:37] here [04:38] yep. I dont like my hardware, and OS being restricted [04:38] i think slackware 10 was also one of the first i tried [04:38] screw that [04:38] MIght like gnewsense then [04:38] yeah I so dont miss spending weeks compiling, and building deps [04:38] lol [04:38] taught me linux though [04:38] compiling will do that [04:39] I recommend it for noobs actually [04:39] i don't mind compiling. i run gentoo on a few machines, also. [04:39] just depends on what your machine is intended for [04:39] yea [04:40] compiling from source is most stable [04:40] slack is uber stable.....Pat doesnt want noobs, and endusers using it so much [04:41] 10.04 has been a rock for me so far [04:42] oh. wow :) [04:42] ok [04:42] my nvidia card didnt like 11.1 [04:42] hopefully 12.04 will play nicer [04:42] yeah hope so [04:42] what card did u have? [04:42] Im really digging this [04:42] do* [04:42] anyone with bind experience? I can't get 'cache' size figured out [04:42] nvidia ion [04:43] hp mini 311 [04:43] ok, that is what i have on this machine. [04:43] you running 11.1? [04:43] this is a jetway minitop [04:43] yes... although i guess this is an ion2 GPU, if that make any difference at all [04:43] hmmm, maybe [04:44] this was an ion le stock [04:44] Im using hacked firmware [04:44] i like machines with low(er) power consumption [04:44] yeah [04:44] arm is cool [04:44] this machine was cheap, and decent power [04:45] bang for buck [04:45] my two main PCs have dual-core atom CPUs... but yea, arm-based desktops may bring the power consumption a lot lower [04:45] nvidia wasnt playing nice though. has sleep/suspend issues [04:45] almoxarife, what about? [04:45] kernel panics, etc [04:45] hmm [04:46] tried different drivers, from nvidia.....but proprietary drivers suck. 10.04 is playing quite nicely, and 11.04 did too. coulda been me running latest kernels too lol. [04:46] mine sleeps fine, although i had to enable it in the BIOS... the only issue i have, is that the audio is muted and kmix crashes, after it wakes up... but i just start kmix again, and it's fine [04:47] Daskreech: about? right now I am looking at a running instance of 'named' that is 67meg, I think I can do with a 30meg instance [04:47]