| mhall119 | jcastro: dude, that's going to be a great success story | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| mhall119 | are you going to set them up to scale on-demand when they get high traffic and everthing? | 00:06 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: lol no worries | 00:17 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: saving OMG how? | 00:17 |
| bkerensa | I wonder why they didnt redirect their DNS to a splash page somewhere :P | 00:18 |
| bkerensa | with a 301 | 00:18 |
| bkerensa | OMG is going to taking a SERP beating | 00:18 |
| nigelb | mhall119, jcastro - http://www.peppertop.com/greys/2010/02/ubuntufied-flying-object/ | 02:06 |
| mhall119 | nigelb: lol | 02:14 |
| nigelb | quick! change the tag line! | 02:15 |
| popey | woah, link to my blog at the end of that | 03:03 |
| * nigelb blinks | 03:19 | |
| nigelb | ha | 03:21 |
| jcastro | mhall119, almost done | 03:32 |
| jcastro | man | 03:32 |
| jcastro | what a horrible mess | 03:32 |
| nigelb | jcastro: what happnened? | 04:01 |
| jcastro | he migrated hosts | 04:18 |
| jcastro | and like, had no clue how to set it up | 04:18 |
| jcastro | so we just deployed it on aws using juju | 04:18 |
| nigelb | o_O | 04:19 |
| nigelb | anyway, epic juju win | 04:19 |
| jcastro | man | 04:19 |
| jcastro | our wordpress and mysql charms are for chumps | 04:19 |
| jcastro | we need to optimize them | 04:19 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: He didnt know how to do a Wordpress Install? | 05:03 |
| bkerensa | seriously | 05:03 |
| bkerensa | :( | 05:03 |
| bkerensa | epic so bad | 05:04 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: ^ yes they are | 05:04 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: Uhh you might want to have him Submit a rdns request :P | 05:04 |
| bkerensa | http://ec2-23-21-149-239.compute-1.amazonaws.com/ <-- omg | 05:05 |
| * popey wonders what he'd have to do to get jcastro to jujuify the ubuntu uk podcast website ☺ | 09:24 | |
| jussi | can anyone explain to me the idea that bug 958384 is invalid because it needs discussion? I dont think the fact it needs discussion means it isnt a bug...? :/ | 11:56 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 958384 in libreoffice "Libre office default style settings are poor." [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/958384 | 11:56 |
| czajkowski | jussi: it's an opinion then | 12:37 |
| jussi | czajkowski: I dont think the fact of it is disputed by anyone, just that how to solve it needs discussion. | 12:41 |
| czajkowski | jussi: but the discussion is pointed to a ml | 12:45 |
| czajkowski | which imo is a better place than bugs tbh | 12:45 |
| AlanBell | yeah, but it is nice for the bug to exist so it can be fixed by a commit at some point | 13:36 |
| AlanBell | nigelb: do you know about boot to gecko? | 13:57 |
| nigelb | yeah | 13:57 |
| nigelb | you can clone gaia and run it on your browser. | 13:58 |
| nigelb | probably only nightly though. | 13:58 |
| AlanBell | how about on my galaxy s2 | 13:58 |
| nigelb | oh, you can probably run the whole thing. I don't know how far it is though. | 13:59 |
| AlanBell | ok | 13:59 |
| nigelb | I can check with someone on monday | 14:00 |
| AlanBell | looking at the roadmap it might still be a bit early to jump in | 14:02 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: are you going to guest-post on OMG about getting them back up? | 14:07 |
| jcastro | mhall119, I just blogged it on mine | 15:40 |
| jcastro | and will syndicate on cloud.u.c | 15:40 |
| jcastro | and probably make an OMG! specific one | 15:40 |
| nigelb | jcastro: hey, how did you copy the data around? | 16:09 |
| jcastro | rsync | 16:09 |
| nigelb | of the mysql data files? | 16:09 |
| nigelb | I'm surprised it took that long then. | 16:09 |
| nigelb | oh wait, it's between a different provider and aws. Nevermind. | 16:10 |
| jcastro | yeah | 16:18 |
| cjohnston | what happened to OMG | 16:21 |
| cjohnston | did I miss something? | 16:21 |
| nigelb | It was down for 3 days. jcastro called on the power of juju to fix it. :D | 16:21 |
| cjohnston | ic | 16:21 |
| jcastro | mhall119, hang with me here | 16:40 |
| jcastro | mhall119, ok so he's working on the charm now | 16:40 |
| jcastro | and we'll redeploy to m1.smalls | 16:40 |
| jcastro | do you know if you can move a bucket from one person to another? | 16:41 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: I don't, sorry | 16:43 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: what is the juju bootstrap node for? Surely you don't need a dedicated instance just to use juju | 16:55 |
| jcastro | it runs the zookeeper | 16:55 |
| jcastro | but we can move that to run on the same instance as the proxy | 16:55 |
| jcastro | we just can't right now until next week | 16:55 |
| jcastro | as the feature hasn't landed | 16:55 |
| jcastro | but once it lands you could run everything on one node if you wanted like how AlanBell would want | 16:56 |
| AlanBell | I would be interested to know if things are actually faster or slower on one node vs 4 nodes | 16:57 |
| jcastro | one big node vs. 4 smalls? | 16:58 |
| jcastro | yeah | 16:58 |
| AlanBell | think I would bet on a single node being faster than having a database on a separate node to the application, and without an extra proxy jump | 16:58 |
| AlanBell | or all on one small vs all on 4 smalls | 16:59 |
| jcastro | I am reasonably confident that this will be cheaper than his colo set up | 16:59 |
| jcastro | the problem for OMG being on only one (or say, one large or medium) is then we wouldn't be able to grow and shrink on demand | 16:59 |
| jcastro | The biggest issue right now is apache serving up all those images | 17:00 |
| mhall119 | AlanBell: I'd expect better performance with MySQL on a separate node | 17:00 |
| jcastro | and getting that to S3 asap | 17:00 |
| AlanBell | mhall119: depends how chatty the database and the application are I guess | 17:01 |
| AlanBell | the main thing to do is avoid using the database at all and use wp-supercache or something | 17:02 |
| AlanBell | if you are hitting the db, you want it fast and close, so multiple network requests to get stuff doesn't sound like a good plan | 17:03 |
| mhall119 | I think Wordpress defaults to MyISAM, which is pretty darn fast | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | plus MySQL does query caching | 17:04 |
| mhall119 | jcastro: Elastic Load Balancing costs $0.025/hr, and supposedly does auto-scaling too, which might work better for them than haproxy | 17:05 |
| jcastro | yeah ryan pointed that out to me | 17:06 |
| mhall119 | you might have to make custom OMG images though, for that to work | 17:07 |
| mhall119 | it would be awesome if Amazon supported juju charms for this stuff | 17:07 |
| jcastro | yeah plus, I'd like to give him some options to not be AWS specific | 17:07 |
| jcastro | we have to be AWS specific on the storage for now | 17:08 |
| jcastro | but it'd be nice to say ... in a year he finds a nicer price on rackspace or a local ISP for instances | 17:08 |
| jcastro | and just redeploys there. | 17:08 |
| jcastro | or bare metal if he wants to colo again | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | true, being able to quickly redeploy somewhere else is a nice option to have | 17:08 |
| mhall119 | though not all will support S3, so that's something to consider in your wordpress-omg charm | 17:09 |
| AlanBell | I would love to build servers using juju as a standard practice, but it just chews up too many instances | 17:09 |
| jcastro | one more week | 17:10 |
| jcastro | one more week | 17:10 |
| jcastro | i've been aching for it too | 17:10 |
| jcastro | an extra instance is a deal breaker. | 17:10 |
| jcastro | especially since you also can't say "juju I want an m1.small for you, an x1.large for wordpress, and an m1.medium for mysql" yet. | 17:10 |
| jcastro | but next week we get all of that. | 17:10 |
| jcastro | unfortunate timing | 17:11 |
| nigelb | I want to say, here's an m1 server. Install wordpres, mysql, and apache on it. | 17:11 |
| nigelb | Not spam 4 servers for that. | 17:11 |
| AlanBell | exactly | 17:12 |
| jcastro | right | 17:12 |
| nigelb | *spawn | 17:12 |
| jcastro | We don't do that until next week | 17:12 |
| nigelb | one week! | 17:12 |
| AlanBell | then one day when that isn't enough, split it out smoothly | 17:12 |
| nigelb | I'll take that as win. | 17:12 |
| jcastro | right. | 17:12 |
| jcastro | believe me no one is aware of this pain more than juju folks | 17:12 |
| nigelb | I will check this out when precise releases. | 17:12 |
| nigelb | I expect all of this would be fixed then. | 17:13 |
| jcastro | indeed | 17:13 |
| mhall119 | one more week? | 17:13 |
| AlanBell | if we can do a juju based openerp install on one instance, that can be scaled up to lots of instances then that would be a big win | 17:13 |
| nigelb | finally a tool that's not in ruby. | 17:13 |
| jcastro | AlanBell, actually just last week someone submitted openerp | 17:15 |
| jcastro | mhall119, yeah, the feature is called "constraints", it's all reviewed and ready to land. | 17:15 |
| AlanBell | so they did, old version though | 17:17 |
| jcastro | no worries | 17:17 |
| jcastro | we can easily make that pull trunk | 17:17 |
| jcastro | in fact that's what marco's working on for the wordpress charm | 17:17 |
| jcastro | it stupidly pulls the archive version | 17:17 |
| jcastro | which is basically shipping the old one that doesn't upgrade ootb | 17:17 |
| jcastro | boo... | 17:18 |
| AlanBell | openerp 6.1 has slightly different install routine as the webserver now runs in-process | 17:18 |
| jcastro | would you be comfortable reviewing the charm? | 17:19 |
| AlanBell | yeah, or I might hand that over to TheOpenSourcerer | 17:20 |
| jcastro | nod | 17:22 |
| nigelb | I don't even know why we should have wordpress in the acrchive. | 17:23 |
| jcastro | the juju charm store isn't active yet, so it's not obvious to people | 17:24 |
| jcastro | that with charms | 17:24 |
| jcastro | you don't have to care about the archive | 17:24 |
| jcastro | we'll have fresh wordpress for the life of 12.04 | 17:24 |
| jcastro | mhall119, how typical | 17:26 |
| jcastro | the comments on facebook are talking about unity. | 17:26 |
| marcoceppi | nigelb: I said the same thing :) | 17:27 |
| nigelb | jcastro: obviusly. facebook crowd isn't known for maturity :) | 17:27 |
| nigelb | marcoceppi: It is a bigger security hole :P | 17:28 |
| AlanBell | I totally don't get Facebooko | 17:31 |
| s-fox | o/ | 17:42 |
| jcastro | ok let's do math | 17:50 |
| jcastro | ~16gb of traffic so far since last night | 17:50 |
| jcastro | so, 12 hours worth | 17:50 |
| nigelb | wtf, 16GB in 12 hours? | 17:51 |
| nigelb | no wonder you want his images moved to s3. | 17:51 |
| jcastro | it's only a cent cheaper | 17:51 |
| jcastro | still | 17:51 |
| jcastro | at 11 cents, it's $100 a month | 17:51 |
| jcastro | that's $316 a month | 17:52 |
| nigelb | how much did he used to pay? | 17:53 |
| jcastro | lol | 17:53 |
| jcastro | 200 pounds | 17:53 |
| jcastro | which right now translates to | 17:53 |
| jcastro | $316 a month | 17:53 |
| marcoceppi | ha! | 17:53 |
| nigelb | hahaha | 17:53 |
| jcastro | that's sunday traffic | 17:53 |
| jcastro | let's assume he's busier | 17:53 |
| jcastro | and double the traffic | 17:53 |
| jcastro | it's $416 | 17:54 |
| jcastro | ah bummer | 17:54 |
| jcastro | the price only goes down to .09 a gig when he tops 10TB. | 17:55 |
| jcastro | ok am I reading this wrong | 17:55 |
| jcastro | the data out of S3 is the exact same price as EC2, 12 cents | 17:56 |
| jcastro | that can't be right | 17:56 |
| AlanBell | gosh | 18:22 |
| nigelb | I bet rackspace is cheaper. | 18:23 |
| AlanBell | this is what most of our hardware is http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produkte_rootserver/ex5 | 18:24 |
| nigelb | ha, hetzner :) | 18:24 |
| AlanBell | we slice those up using KVM into quite a few VMs, about 10 per host | 18:25 |
| nigelb | Manually? | 18:26 |
| AlanBell | yeah, we wanted to use the eucalyptus stuff but that required an additional host as a manager | 18:26 |
| nigelb | nice | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | so it is just KVM, and I use the virt-manager thing to poke at them and spin up new ones etc | 18:27 |
| AlanBell | would love to do it in a more buzzword compliant manner, but cloud stuff is massively more expensive | 18:29 |
| nigelb | heh, yeah. | 18:29 |
| cjohnston | What makes AWS better than say rackspace? | 18:32 |
| nigelb | AWS has more features | 18:33 |
| nigelb | Also been around longer | 18:33 |
| nigelb | and more datacenters | 18:33 |
| AlanBell | it is from a company that real people have heard of too | 18:33 |
| nigelb | lol | 18:34 |
| cjohnston | When did AWS come out? | 18:34 |
| nigelb | 2002. | 18:35 |
| cjohnston | I know that there is no direct price comparison because the sizes are different, so I'd have to do math | 18:35 |
| marcoceppi | I've also never gotten along with anyone from Rackspace | 18:37 |
| cjohnston | lol | 18:37 |
| cjohnston | I have a few good friends who are with Rackspace.. They all started with Slicehost.. but are now at RS | 18:37 |
| nigelb | soren is a nice guy AFAIK. | 18:37 |
| cjohnston | to me, when looking at AWS to setup, it seems overwealming | 18:37 |
| nigelb | but then he no longer works at rackspace. | 18:38 |
| nigelb | cjohnston: It's dead simple actually. | 18:38 |
| marcoceppi | cjohnston: juju, duh :) | 18:38 |
| cjohnston | lol | 18:38 |
| cjohnston | juju is brand new | 18:38 |
| nigelb | cjohnston: the button clicks are not too complicated. | 18:39 |
| cjohnston | but for me, I run everything on a 1gig cloud server at RS.. $0.06/hr... I don't need multiple isntances or anything like that.. I run multiple blogs on it, I get IP addresses as needed.. | 18:39 |
| nigelb | RS is *too* simple for me to run anyhting on it professionally. | 18:39 |
| cjohnston | I guess I like the fact that its nice and simple | 18:40 |
| nigelb | I'm talking about DBs that are 20 GB in size. etc. | 18:40 |
| marcoceppi | Each provider has it' use case | 18:40 |
| nigelb | For personal use, I'd probably trust rackspace than amazon. | 18:40 |
| nigelb | It is cheaper. | 18:41 |
| cjohnston | I'm just trying to figure out, because I *have* to learn to use amazon, should I learn it and move my stuff over.. | 18:41 |
| cjohnston | RS seems to have more DCs.. they have 8 | 18:42 |
| cjohnston | a little less spread out.. but still comparable | 18:43 |
| nigelb | huh? | 18:43 |
| nigelb | does RS let you select which data center to use? | 18:43 |
| cjohnston | hrm.. I guess for cloud servers they are still in DFW | 18:44 |
| jcastro | among traditional hosts Rackspace (at least in the US) is one of the more dominant ones | 18:45 |
| jcastro | if anyone can compete with AWS it's them | 18:45 |
| jcastro | but they needed openstack for that | 18:45 |
| nigelb | YEah | 18:45 |
| nigelb | Not yet there. | 18:45 |
| nigelb | I waiting for them to have openstack. | 18:45 |
| jcastro | they have a cloud thing | 18:45 |
| jcastro | but it's not openstack | 18:45 |
| nigelb | not as great as amazon yet. | 18:45 |
| nigelb | not as many features. | 18:46 |
| jcastro | It's pretty much a monopoly | 18:46 |
| nigelb | yeah, sadly. | 18:46 |
| jcastro | however HP's Public cloud is in beta | 18:46 |
| jcastro | as openstack matures everyone will just start selling instances | 18:46 |
| jcastro | the same way they sold VPSes and shells | 18:46 |
| nigelb | oooh. that should be interesting | 18:46 |
| nigelb | is the HP thing openstack? | 18:46 |
| jcastro | It is | 18:46 |
| jcastro | on ubuntu | 18:47 |
| nigelb | \o/ | 18:47 |
| jcastro | if openstack had an equivalent to s3 stuff that was solid | 18:47 |
| jcastro | like a storage solution | 18:47 |
| jcastro | we could then have juju just generically support storage | 18:47 |
| jcastro | and the charms wouldn't need to be s3 specific | 18:47 |
| nigelb | there's still stuff that can do something like that | 18:48 |
| jcastro | then you could just move to whatever hosting provider you want | 18:48 |
| nigelb | glusterfs? | 18:48 |
| jcastro | gluster and ceph | 18:48 |
| jcastro | I expect storage to be the big topic this year in openstack | 18:48 |
| popey | jcastro: I am getting a tomcat message from omgubuntu.co.uk | 18:54 |
| jcastro | DNS is out of date for you then | 18:55 |
| popey | ah | 18:55 |
| jcastro | try privacy mode in your browser | 18:55 |
| jcastro | and try again | 18:55 |
| jcastro | you might be caching the old 301 redirect | 18:55 |
| Daviey | jcastro: you are kidding, right? | 19:01 |
| Daviey | jcastro: opnestack has swift for file storage.. It's what rackspace uses in production called "cloudfiles" | 19:02 |
| Daviey | predates openstack. | 19:02 |
| jcastro | Daviey, oh sweet so I can just point juju to it and get the exact same thing I can with s3? | 19:02 |
| Daviey | jcastro: that is the plan! | 19:02 |
| jcastro | right, the plan | 19:02 |
| jcastro | but doesn't help me right now. | 19:03 |
| Daviey | (there is also a ceph object storage component, but not experimented with it myself) | 19:03 |
| jcastro | yeah, for now his charm will be S3-specific | 19:03 |
| Daviey | jcastro: Canonsistack doesn't yet provide S3. | 19:03 |
| jcastro | but the idea of being able to redeploy on openstack is awesome, I will actually try it too | 19:03 |
| * AlanBell ponders a performance faceoff with a multi-tier juju rig vs an all in one on a VM setup | 19:04 | |
| jcastro | Daviey, oh so what you're telling me is that limitation is our deployment specific? And that everything is fine in upstream? | 19:04 |
| jcastro | "fine" as in, will be working | 19:04 |
| Daviey | jcastro: Well, swift is largely regarded as the most stable component | 19:05 |
| jcastro | man, I am delighted to be so wrong. | 19:05 |
| jcastro | Daviey, someone should put you in charge of stuff | 19:05 |
| Daviey | there is a shim which proxies to s3 in nova.. it's not /well/ tested, compared to the rest of it. | 19:05 |
| Daviey | jcastro: hah | 19:06 |
| jcastro | man I am kicking myself for the xlarges | 19:07 |
| nigelb | Isn't he already incharge of stuff? :D | 19:07 |
| jcastro | marcoceppi, it was getting late and I was getting inpatient | 19:07 |
| jcastro | should have texted Clint way earlier | 19:07 |
| nigelb | also, seeing Daviey on IRC on a weekend. | 19:07 |
| nigelb | I'm shocked beyond belief. | 19:07 |
| jcastro | $60 dollar mistake, that's like a nice steak. | 19:08 |
| jcastro | popey, clearing the cache do it? | 19:12 |
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| jcastro | man there's tons of things we can optimize here | 19:22 |
| jcastro | these pages are heavy | 19:22 |
| jcastro | and the images are like, being resized in html | 19:22 |
| jcastro | http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/.../Screen-Shot-2012-03-12-at-17.03.47-50... is resized in HTML or CSS from 500x295 to 150x88. Serving a scaled image could save 183.2KiB (91% reduction). | 19:22 |
| jcastro | a whole bunch of these right on the homepage | 19:22 |
| jcastro | I bet we can easily slim down the amount of things he needs to serve on top of what we're doing | 19:23 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: He needs to smush his images and use image polish to dynamically resize on the fly | 19:25 |
| jcastro | I think WP does this in the newish version | 19:25 |
| jcastro | the new charm will just use upstream wordpress so he can update on his own schedule | 19:26 |
| bkerensa | jcastro: there is a wordpress Yahoo SmushIt plugin... it will resmush all his images | 19:26 |
| bkerensa | as for Image Polish only Cloudflare offers this atm | 19:26 |
| * jcastro notes that | 19:26 | |
| czajkowski | cjohnston: should I be seeing http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/track/community/ | 19:29 |
| AlanBell | jcastro: I would be interested in a funkload report of a default (unoptimised) wordpress install on a single small instance compared to a 3 instance setup | 19:29 |
| cjohnston | czajkowski: no | 19:30 |
| Daviey | nigelb: Are you kidding? | 19:34 |
| Daviey | nigelb: I'm on most weekeneds | 19:34 |
| cjohnston | Daviey: since your around and all.. want to help me with an error that I came across with summit ;-) | 19:35 |
| cjohnston | hehe | 19:35 |
| Daviey | cjohnston: oh? | 19:36 |
| cjohnston | Daviey: http://summit.chrisjohnston.org <-- click login | 19:36 |
| cjohnston | a google search gave me 3 results, which didnt help. :-/ | 19:37 |
| Daviey | cjohnston: Are you missing a *kwargs? | 19:38 |
| cjohnston | i don't think I changed anything that would effect login... | 19:38 |
| cjohnston | it works locally too | 19:39 |
| Daviey | cjohnston: is production summit running 1.3 now? | 19:40 |
| cjohnston | yes | 19:40 |
| cjohnston | https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/action-item-links and https://code.launchpad.net/~chrisjohnston/summit/new-meeting-stuff plus a little css is what was merged in | 19:42 |
| Daviey | cjohnston: Hah, https://bugs.launchpad.net/software-center-agent/+bug/873244 suggests a missing kwarg's aswell | 19:43 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 873244 in software-center-agent "custom openid_render_failure has wrong signature" [Undecided,Fix released] | 19:43 |
| cjohnston | hrm | 19:45 |
| cjohnston | Daviey: I've looked back through the code, and unless I'm missing something, I don't see it. :-/ | 20:07 |
| Daviey | cjohnston: I suspect it's that you are lacking relevant data on your devel site | 20:22 |
| Daviey | Perhaps don't have an admin user, a UDS object created, or something like that. | 20:22 |
| cjohnston | the devel site was working prior to the merge as well | 20:22 |
| Daviey | Oh, NFI then | 20:25 |
| Daviey | sorry :) | 20:25 |
| cjohnston | ok | 20:25 |
| cjohnston | ty | 20:25 |
| Daviey | cjohnston: Have you reverted the merge? | 20:25 |
| cjohnston | i just did.. it has an issue with the undoing the migration | 20:26 |
| Daviey | who merged a migration that doesn't allow a reverse? : | 20:26 |
| Daviey | :) | 20:26 |
| cjohnston | it has an inconsistant migration history | 20:28 |
| nigelb | Daviey: NFI is now my standard response to summit :D | 20:33 |
| Daviey | :) | 20:49 |
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