[07:22] <mattt> up wayyy too early on a sunday :(
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> mattt: watching F1 eh? :)
[08:11] <mattt> MartijnVdS: working :P
[08:12] <MartijnVdS> aww
[08:37] <popey> Morning
[08:45] <MartijnVdS> \o popey
[08:56] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:06] <christel> morning lovelies
[09:06] <popey> Happy mothers day christel
[09:09] <MooDoo> happy mothers day as well from me christel :) xx <3
[09:10] <christel> thank you :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> shame i'm having to work :(
[09:19] <christel> aww
[09:20] <christel> i am having to "celebrate" on my own -- apparently my first "present" is for the boy wonder to have a lie-in.. and i was expecting breakfast in bed!
[09:21] <christel> (otoh the sun is out and i am rather enjoying being able to enjoy a slow mug of coffee in peace)
[09:22] <MooDoo> sun is out?  blimey it's snowing here
[09:22] <christel> woha really?
[09:22] <MooDoo> yeah
[09:23] <christel> it's really sunny here -- yesterday was pretty grey and really cold, woke up today and it's super sunny and lovely
[09:23] <christel> (well, i havent ventured outside -- it may be freezing)
[09:23] <christel> where are you at MooDoo
[09:23] <popey> yeah, i was near blinded when i opened the curtains this morning!
[09:23] <MooDoo> christel: nottingham
[09:24] <MooDoo> looking out the windows, it's stopped now, and turned to rain....typical
[09:24] <christel> hehe
[09:50] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:51] <christel> morning AlanBell :)
[09:56] <popey> directhex: thanks for wrapping the xbox360 in all that red bubble wrap. Gave me something to wrap wifeys mothers-day stuff in ☺
[09:57] <MooDoo> morning AlanBell
[10:04] <popey> MartijnVdS: my mate has found a flat in Ijburg
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> popey: One of the few places in Amsterdam with 500/500 fibre :)
[10:05] <popey> lol
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> (that's not a datacentre)
[11:00] <directhex> popey: heh
[11:00] <directhex> popey: how's it treating you?
[11:13] <meet> like i want to press f3 key to toggle between touchpad on or off.. anyway to do this?
[11:31] <seeker> Anyone else having Internet connectivity issues?
[11:32] <MooDoo> seeker: home or work?
[11:37] <seeker> Home
[11:41] <dwatkins> Which ISP are you on, seeker?
[11:41] <popey> directhex: kids love it ☺
[11:41] <Seeker`> thats weird
[11:41] <popey> directhex: they're both currently doing their own profiles
[11:41] <Seeker`> I booted up my desktop, internet came back to live
[11:41] <Seeker`> *life
[11:42] <popey> i only have one set of component ports on my telly and the DVD player uses them ⍨
[11:42] <popey> so am currently using the composite port for xbox 360 which doesn't look great
[11:42] <dwatkins> I connected my xbox 360 via VGA, it increased the resolution.
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> Use the XBox as a DVD player
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> also, use HDMI for the XBox
[11:46] <popey> no hdmi port on xbox
[11:46] <popey> the dvd player is attached to the amp, the xbox isnt
[11:46] <dwatkins> My xbox RROD'ed, need to get a new one when I can afford it.
[11:46] <popey> its a bit of a faff
[11:49] <dwatkins> It's handy that I can use the PS3 as a media player and DVD and toy.
[11:57] <popey> wow, component is much nicer
[12:15] <meet> how to set keyboard shortcuts through terminal?
[12:16] <StevenR_> meet: what do you mean? Keyboard shortcuts tend to be for graphical user interfaces.
[12:17] <meet> stevenR: ya.. i mean setting up keyboard shortcuts..
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: XBox has no hdmi?! Is it an XBox 1?
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> or am I spoiled by all my HDMI devices ;)
[12:18] <bigcalm> Ello peeps :)
[12:18] <meet> i want to configure the shortcuts for gui. But how do i do that through the terminal window? which file to edit or what?
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> howdy bigcalm
[12:18] <StevenR_> meet: I suspect it's all stored in some text config file
[12:18] <meet> so how do i setup keyboard shortcuts in general?
[12:18] <SpudULike> Hello room.  In Thunderbird I've marked a folded as having all messages read.  I want to still see these read messages, but Thunderbird seems to be hiding them from me.  Anyone know how to turn this feature off?
[12:18] <MartijnVdS> meet: which version of Ubuntu do you use?
[12:19] <meet> 11.10 gnome 3
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> meet: Gnome 3, not unity?
[12:19] <StevenR_> meet: it's probably specific to the graphical desktop that you're using
[12:19] <meet> martijnVds: ya gnome 3, not unity. :) suits me better
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> In that case.. it's probably very hard.
[12:20] <meet> martijnVds: any idea how do i setup keyboard shortcuts?
[12:20] <meet> why?
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> Because Gnome 3 isn't a pinnacle of customizability
[12:21] <meet> so what can i do? any idea where can i find the info/?
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> In Unity you can use ccsm to set some keyboard shortcuts
[12:22] <meet> unity does not suit me. rather i am used to gnome now so i need help for that. the ones i had already do not work directly.
[12:22] <meet> martijnVds: will ccsm work for gnome?
[12:23] <StevenR_> yay. CMOS checksum error.
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> StevenR_: Press F1 to continue
[12:23] <StevenR_> MartijnVdS: or DEL to enter setup
[12:23] <StevenR_> ahh well. The mobo is 9 years old.
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> StevenR_: CR2032 :)
[12:24] <StevenR_> if I used it more, I'd replace the cell, but it's an old box I run mythtv on at my parents' house
[13:50] <penguin42> hmm, Aardman have made a 3D animation - that might actually be worth seeing; not seen any 3d stuff yet
[13:51] <jacobw> afternoon
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: the Pirates thing?
[13:52] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Nod
[13:53] <penguin42> can someone check that they can see http://www.treblig.org/debug/slidemergesmall.png   - some people are saying they are getting errors - works for me
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> It's a PNG
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> works here
[13:53] <penguin42> ok, thanks
[13:53]  * jacobw thinks that IE6 doesn't support PNG transparency
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> Yes.. are the complainers using stone-age tech? :)
[13:53] <AlanBell> I believe it can do with a hack, but who cares?
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> didn't Google give up on IE6 already?
[13:54] <jacobw> unfortunately, people are stupid
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> tru.dat
[14:09] <mattt> ha, tru.dat
[14:14] <jacobw> hmm, hud doesn't find firefox->edit->preferences from `firefox` <alt> 'preferences'
[14:15] <jacobw> ofc, now i try to reproduce it, it does :p
[16:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] GNOME Docs hackfest in Brno - http://philbull.livejournal.com/60292.html
[16:58] <awilkins> *sigh* Sundays....
[16:59] <MooDoo> +1 awilkins
[16:59] <mattt> bleh
[17:12] <jacobw> i currently use gmane for reading high volume lists that i don't want to subscribe to
[17:12] <jacobw> i'm happy with it, but interested to know what other archives are used
[17:25] <penguin42> jacobw: I tend to read mailing lists with mutt, judicious use of D to kill threads; for news feeds/blogs etc I tend to use Google Reader
[17:48] <dogmatic69> hi all, just had my desktop crash ~ 7 times, been watching the logs now and getting 'chrome[3667]: segfault at 7fff4e852ff8 ip 0000372a7100a001 sp 00007fff4e853000 error 6'
[17:48] <dogmatic69> a whole bunch of them
[17:48] <dogmatic69> anyone know what it could be?
[17:49] <dogmatic69> monitor just goes blank and shows the default 'not plugged in' message, so its like gfx card dies.
[17:49] <dogmatic69> a few times it just hangs, cant move the mouse etc
[17:50] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Well that dmesg is chrome dieing - whether that's relating to everything else is a bit difficult to say, do you get any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[17:52] <dogmatic69> penguin42:  http://pastebin.com/J9bFXznT
[17:53] <dogmatic69> not seeing anything jump out at me, not that I know what to look for :D
[17:53] <ali1234> why can't i reopen bug 907837
[17:54] <dogmatic69> just kicked me out to the login
[17:54] <penguin42> dogmatic69: That looks OK, but is there a /var/log/Xorg0.log.old - that should have the one from when it last crashed
[17:55] <dogmatic69> ok, it just crashed again, .old http://pastebin.com/7EznYfjy and the 0.log again http://pastebin.com/ind12bF7
[17:55]  * dogmatic69 will not open chrome just yet
[17:57] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Those look ok, so it doesn't look like the X server is dieing
[17:58] <dogmatic69_> just opened firefox and it hung
[17:58] <dogmatic69_> on a different pc now
[17:58] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: When it hangs can you ctrl-alt-F1 to get a text console?
[17:59] <dogmatic69_> nothing seems to work, not tried that though.
[17:59] <penguin42> No route to host, his net has gone away
[17:59] <dogmatic69_> it only hangs sometimes, mostly it will completely die
[18:00] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Might be worth leaving it on memtest for an hour or two
[18:00] <dogmatic69_> :S
[18:00] <dogmatic69_> how do I do that?
[18:01] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Reboot, use shift just after the bios to get the GRUB menu, at the bottom should be memtest
[18:01] <dogmatic69_> the ram usage has been bad that last while, always using like 6 / 7 gigs of my 8. and swapping almost daily
[18:01] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Leave it running and go {watch a film, walk the cat, etc}
[18:01] <dogmatic69_> he he
[18:01] <penguin42> right, time to make food
[18:02] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: thanks, will try that out.
[18:03] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: just std memtest or the serial one?
[18:04] <dogmatic69_> gawd... its all red
[18:04] <dogmatic69_> 4k errors already
[18:04] <dogmatic69_> is that normal?
[18:08] <popey> ali1234: whats that app you're using in the video? some dbus explorer?
[18:08] <ali1234> yes
[18:08] <ali1234> it affects any app which has a main window split by a resizable panel
[18:08] <ali1234> and then a list in the left side
[18:08] <ali1234> for example, banshee, rhythmbox
[18:09] <ali1234> but i happened to be using dfeet to test another bug at the time
[18:09] <popey> trying to make it happen here
[18:09] <popey> dfeet thats it
[18:14] <ali1234> wow, the horizontal resizer on rhythmbox has just been removed rather than make any attempt to fix it
[18:19] <popey> i still ahve one here
[18:20] <ali1234> the two panels are still there, you just can't resize them now
[18:20] <popey> which two?
[18:20] <popey> i have 4
[18:20] <ali1234> artist and album
[18:21] <ali1234> the leftmost part still has the resize on it but you have to make the window tiny to trigger the bug on that one
[18:22] <ali1234> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86C1-FH5ZK0
[18:26] <popey> yeah, just looks like a bug to me
[18:27] <ali1234> which?
[18:28] <popey> well its the same bug
[18:28] <popey> IMO
[18:28] <popey> internal panels arent resizable
[18:28] <ali1234> yes, i know it's the same problem
[18:29] <ali1234> but the question is, where is the bug?
[18:29] <ali1234> does the design spec have anything to say about this situation?
[18:29] <ali1234> if it does, then is the bug in the implementation?
[18:29] <ali1234> and none of this explains why i can't reopen the bug
[18:30] <ali1234> the bug manifested in gedit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZNm1C1eEw
[18:31] <popey> i dunno, will bring it up with the design guys tomorrow, i am in the office sat with them
[18:31] <ali1234> cheers
[18:31] <ali1234> anyway, dinner tiem
[18:38] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Nope, not normal!
[18:44]  * penguin42 waits for his pudding to bake
[19:16] <Seeker`> hey
[19:31] <czajkowski> whoo now hve the new mail beep turned off, now to find out if I can turn the deleting a folder beep off
[19:32] <czajkowski> am hoping by using http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/configurable-notifyosd-bubbles-for.html  I cna get rid of the notifcation bubble
[19:32] <czajkowski> worst feature yet tbh, or maybe it;s not working right on my machine. but when mail arrives nad I move my mouse overit, it kinda goes away, so move mouse away and it comes back and repet a few times.
[19:33] <AlanBell> that is working "right"
[19:33] <AlanBell> you are supposed to be able to click through them to stuff under, and they fade to let you see what is under them
[19:33] <czajkowski> well that is well annoying L:( and the person who thought it was right needs a goos clip around the ears
[19:34] <AlanBell> you can tell Mark that at UDS
[19:35] <AlanBell> on the ubuntu for android thing there are notifications for incoming calls that you can click on to answer the phone
[19:35] <AlanBell> I think it is a bit annoying that notifications can't be interacted with
[19:36] <czajkowski> my problem is I dont always want to see a mail notificaton and if I really have to see it me clicking it should make it go away not vanish and reappear
[19:36] <ali1234> lol
[19:37] <ali1234> i agree
[19:37] <ali1234> i don't see mail notifications though because i use gmail
[19:38] <ali1234> and while pidgin does turn the messaging icon blue on getting a new mail, it doesn't pop up a notification bubble, because the integration is incomplete
[19:38] <ali1234> obviously i don't use evolution - it cannot handle my inbox at all
[19:39] <czajkowski> I use thunderbird and love it
[19:39] <ali1234> thunderbird?
[19:39] <czajkowski> but the bubles I just fid annioying I'm well able to monitor my and kno when to review my inbox
[19:39] <czajkowski> ali1234: yes
[19:40] <AlanBell> I don't mind the bubbles, but if one pops up that is interesting I want to click on it and be in the message. Not have to go find thunderbird all by myself
[19:40] <ali1234> i agree with that too
[19:40] <czajkowski> yupp
[19:40] <czajkowski> it just seems poorly implemented and only half works
[19:40] <ali1234> but come on, how long has this feature been around?
[19:40] <czajkowski> so if something half works why use it
[19:41] <AlanBell> it works exactly as it is supposed to
[19:41] <ali1234> people have been saying this since it was first made
[19:41] <ali1234> yes, it works exactly as designed, and everyone who said it was a bad design got shot down over a year ago
[19:41] <AlanBell> http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253
[19:41] <ali1234> wow has it really been that long?
[19:48] <popey> i would not be surprised if bubbles were clickable in a future release
[19:48] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:49] <ali1234> i'm only surprised that it has taken so long for you to notice how problematic these things are
[19:49] <bigcalm> popey: you have an obscure sense of 'traffic'
[19:49] <AlanBell> I had no bubbles up until a few weeks ago
[19:49] <popey> heh
[19:49] <AlanBell> if your right monitor is lower than your left monitor you get no bubbles
[19:49] <ali1234> while we're at it, the 1 inch gap between the panel and the notification looks just as stupid now as it did when it was implemented
[19:50] <AlanBell> ali1234: ah, in that case position the top of your right monitor 1 inch below the top of your left monitor :)
[19:50] <ali1234> my right monitor is lower by just enough that the bubble is in the exact location it should be instead of 1 inch below
[19:50] <ali1234> yes, basically i already did that accidentally
[19:50] <ali1234> i even reported it as a bug... 6 months or so ag
[19:50] <ali1234> o
[19:51] <ali1234> or maybe i went to do it and it was already reported
[19:52] <AlanBell> bug 935131
[19:52] <ali1234> well thats not my bug
[19:54] <ali1234> bug 779612
[19:56] <ali1234> did you just upgrade from lts today or something?
[19:57] <AlanBell> hmm?
[19:57] <ali1234> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71380064/volume.png ah remember when you ddidn't have to use one of the awful new themes?
[19:58] <AlanBell> I like the new theme
[19:58] <ali1234> i don't
[19:58] <ali1234> it looks terrible when you use gnome-panel 3
[19:58] <ali1234> all three of them
[19:59] <ali1234> hmm a bug
[19:59] <ali1234> hmm another bug
[19:59] <ali1234> bugs
[20:00] <ali1234> argh ANOTHER BUG
[20:00] <ali1234> ok i have some bug reporting to do
[20:01] <AlanBell> wonder if anyone is still maintaining notify-osd
[20:01] <popey> bug 811475
[20:02] <popey> *boggle* how long that has been open
[20:02] <ali1234> i wish apport and launchpad were smart enough to report bugs on PPA instead of just saying "not official package gtfo"
[20:02] <popey> "This is one of many problems with the current layout.  It will be fixed by the
[20:02] <popey> new layout some time."
[20:02] <ali1234> popey: not as long as my notify-osd bug
[20:02] <popey> heh
[20:04] <AlanBell> wow, that is papercutish
[20:04] <ali1234> bug 958769
[20:11] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr1gZVRTo6o
[20:11] <ali1234> basically, indicators don't have a delay if you very quickly mouse over them on the way to a menu item
[20:12] <ali1234> the old gnome panels used to have this
[20:12] <ali1234> you now have to carefully move the mouse to where you are going without going over something else on the way
[20:13] <ali1234> its like one of those steady hand games
[20:13]  * popey confirms
[20:13] <ali1234> i didn't report it yet!
[20:13] <ali1234> or you mean kazam?
[20:15] <popey> yes
[20:15] <ali1234> any idea what i should report this against?
[20:15] <popey> and whilst confirming discocvered bug 958777
[20:15] <ali1234> yeah with alt-drag you can drag it completely off the screen
[20:15] <ali1234> it doesn't hurt recording though
[20:15] <popey> sure, makes no sense tho :)
[20:16] <ali1234> true enough
[20:16] <ali1234> the bugs sure are coming in fast btw
[20:16] <ali1234> almost one a minute on a sunday evening?
[20:16] <popey> some are automagic
[20:16] <popey> and not on ubuntu
[20:17] <popey> bu70
[20:17] <popey> bah
[20:17] <popey> bug 958770
[20:17] <popey> bug 958771
[20:17] <popey> bug 958772
[20:17] <popey> hehe
[20:17] <ali1234> so, any idea about my indicator thing?
[20:17] <popey> sunday is a typical evening for bug hunting I think
[20:18] <popey> i dont understand it
[20:18] <ali1234> report against indicator package or design?
[20:18] <ali1234> er
[20:18] <ali1234> basically
[20:18] <ali1234> click the power button thing
[20:18] <ali1234> the move the mouse diagonally in a straight line to where it says "system settings"
[20:18] <popey> hah, i see
[20:18] <ali1234> over the word "system"
[20:19] <ali1234> this takes the mouse over the user indicator, which opens
[20:19] <ali1234> then you end up clicking on "switch user" accidentally
[20:19] <dogmatic69> if you run memtest on good ram, will it show 0 errors? or is there an acceptable limit?
[20:19] <popey> indicator-session
[20:19] <popey> I'd file against that
[20:19] <ali1234> in gnome, if you made this kind of motion very quickly, it would simply ignore the intermediate things you travelled over
[20:19] <ali1234> in unity, it's time to play the steady hand game
[20:19] <ali1234> dogmatic69: good ram should have zero errors
[20:20] <dogmatic69> :S
[20:20] <ali1234> but erros isn't necessarily bad ram
[20:20] <dogmatic69> so 500k errors is not good ram?
[20:20] <ali1234> you might be using the wrong clock or voltage
[20:20] <dogmatic69> been the same for 3+ years
[20:20] <popey> or wrong ram
[20:20] <ali1234> 500k errors is OMG GET A NEW COMPUTER
[20:20] <dogmatic69> :/
[20:20] <dogmatic69> then my bank acc is gonna have 500k errors
[20:20] <ali1234> 1 or 2 errors is enough to completely mess up the machine
[20:21] <dogmatic69> bah
[20:21] <ali1234> popey: hmm indicator-session?
[20:21] <dogmatic69> and its old ram, Its going to be $$$
[20:21] <ali1234> the bug affects all indicators
[20:22] <ali1234> dogmatic69: yeah, so just buy a new motherboard cpu and ram
[20:25] <ali1234> i'm going to open it as a design bug
[20:25] <ali1234> it's a feature request really
[20:27] <ali1234> this might actually be a regression in gtk3? menus are doing it too
[20:27] <ali1234> but maybe it is because they are global menus
[20:28] <ali1234> firefox bookmarks toolbar is still showing the old behaviour
[20:28] <ali1234> right clikc pop up menus too
[20:30] <ali1234> hmm yes ok, this affects anything that involves the top panel
[20:32] <AlanBell> wonder if I can fix that rhythmbox bug
[20:36]  * popey installs banshee
[20:37] <ali1234> this must have a name
[20:38] <ali1234> every single desktop environemtn does it- except for unity
[20:38] <diplo> evening all
[20:38] <popey> why have we regressed back to one pixel wide handles for resizing windows?
[20:38] <ali1234> because the dropshadow utterly killed the performance?
[20:39] <daubers> popey: I had that for a little bit. Updated recently and it went away
[20:39] <AlanBell> the dropshadow is still there, you just can't use it any more :(
[20:39] <AlanBell> there is a bug for it
[20:40] <ali1234> how to i get the right-click-title-bar on maximised windows again?
[20:40] <daubers> ah no, it's still there :(
[20:40] <AlanBell> ali1234: alt-space
[20:41] <ali1234> doesn't work
[20:41] <AlanBell> wfm
[20:41] <ali1234> i have disabled the hud
[20:41] <AlanBell> that HUD alt key binding has been a complete farce
[20:42] <ali1234> yep
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> Except disabling it disables ALL alt bindings
[20:42] <MartijnVdS> or has that been fixed
[20:42] <AlanBell> it has caused so many issues in its various implementations, and it has nothing to do with the functionality of the HUD
[20:43] <ali1234> i was going to say "everyne knows you;re supposed to resize windows by spressing alt-space, selecting resize, then shuffling around with the arrow keys until the window is the size you want"
[20:43] <AlanBell> the root problem is that they are trying to use a meta key as a single keypress
[20:43] <ali1234> i have actually seen idiots claim this is a better way to resize on OMG ubuntu
[20:44] <ali1234> but since that way doesn't even work now
[20:44] <ali1234> i can't make a sarcastic joke out of it
[20:44] <ali1234> it's just well and truly broken :/
[20:44] <SuperEngineer> 0/
[20:45] <popey> ali1234: erk, that resize option is nastyily broken
[20:45] <popey> do you know if there is a bug for it?
[20:46] <ali1234> no idea. i did notice it was broken too
[20:46] <ali1234> but since i never use it, i don't care :)
[20:46] <ali1234> it is only interesting to me in that it is yet another thing that worked until unity came along
[20:47] <SuperEngineer> just booted to 10.04 - got sick of 12.04 app version fails [evolution format not compatible with 10.04 version, gwibber won't successfully authorise facebook [etc,etc]
[20:47] <ali1234> "gwibber won't successfully authorise facebook" - funny story
[20:47] <SuperEngineer> .... time for bug reporting methinks - if only I hadn't got other stuff to do as well...
[20:48] <ali1234> i was trying to explain to the dash lens developers why i don't want every website integrated into the desktop
[20:48] <ali1234> one of the reasons is, as soon as the website changes, the lens will break
[20:48] <ali1234> just like gwibber always does
[20:48] <ali1234> they didn't listen of course
[20:48] <SuperEngineer> ali1234: +1 on that
[20:48] <ali1234> "we will keep it up to date" they said
[20:48] <hamitron> dunno why an OS can't be an OS, and a website a website
[20:49] <ali1234> "well how about you start by keeping gwibber up to date" i said
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: http://www.quickmeme.com/They-said/ ?
[20:49] <SuperEngineer> as in... [I have a piece of paer in my hand - #chamberlin said]
[20:52] <SuperEngineer> btw - my comments are not a whinge at Ubuntu... but at the apps within
[20:53] <dogmatic69> how is that for luck... first ram module removed, no errors \o/
[20:53] <MartijnVdS> hotplugging RAM?
[20:53] <dogmatic69> nope
[20:54] <dogmatic69> new ram in the post, + shiny ssd
[20:54] <SuperEngineer> "first ram module removed, no errors" = a successful lambing at a farm?
[21:06] <dogmatic69> right, pc not crashing any more
[21:07] <dogmatic69> and its actually faster with 6gigs of good ram vs 8gigs of broken ram
[21:08] <SuperEngineer> dogmatic69: did you try cleaning the contact strip on the ram & reseating... may be worth a try
[21:08] <dogmatic69> SuperEngineer: not tried that, the pc is 5+ years old
[21:08] <dogmatic69> its a intel Q6600 and I got it virtually the day they were released
[21:09] <SuperEngineer> [or running a full ram test?]...   if pc is 5+ old - worth a clean [& a precautionary reseating of 'good' ram
[21:10] <SuperEngineer> ...you'd be surprised how mant times I've resussitated dead machines by cleaning/reseating/swapping slots
[21:10] <dogmatic69> I just ran mem test for 2 1/2 hours
[21:10] <SuperEngineer> &...?
[21:11] <dogmatic69> is that memtest like defrag for mem?
[21:11] <dogmatic69> memtest == 500k errors
[21:11] <SuperEngineer> ouch
[21:11] <dogmatic69> removed the dodgy one and 0 errors, running 3x 2gigs now
[21:12] <SuperEngineer> clean /reseat but probably the big ram bin in the sky is correct
[21:12] <dogmatic69> got 4x corsair 6400c5c in the shopping cart
[21:12] <SuperEngineer> :)
[21:12] <dogmatic69> get that + SSD and it should be good for a while again
[21:13] <dogmatic69> how easy would it be to reinstall ubuntu on ssd and tell it to use the /home/{me} on another disk?
[21:13] <SuperEngineer> just an a quickie... last week got sent to site where basic report was "failed - smells of burning"]
[21:14] <dogmatic69> lol
[21:14] <SuperEngineer> I arrived on site & they'd left it switched on!
[21:14] <dogmatic69> lmao
[21:14] <dogmatic69> converted into a paper weight
[21:14] <SuperEngineer> lmfao is just what I did
[21:14] <dogmatic69> did it still smell like burning?
[21:15] <SuperEngineer> noooo... much worse - battery on a board had exploded - toxic fumes everywhere!
[21:15] <MartijnVdS> magic smoke!
[21:15]  * SuperEngineer preferes magic mushrooms
[21:16] <dogmatic69> tricky to replace the magic smoke, never did find a good supplier
[21:21] <AlanBell> popey: I think the rhythmbox thing is a GTK bug
[21:22] <AlanBell> on the plus side I do have a patch, but it will stop it truncating very long song names to ellipsise them
[21:33] <SuperEngineer> Whilst Slashdot [can] be a p[ain - sometimes you read a real doozy... "New iPad Jailbroken Already" [aww, go on Apple, smile if you dare]
[21:34] <jacobw> doozy?
[21:34] <jacobw> that's so not a word
[21:35] <SuperEngineer> neither is jailbroken
[21:35] <jacobw> sure it is
[21:35] <jacobw> it comes from the old english, 'gaolbroken'
[21:35] <jacobw> ;)
[21:36] <SuperEngineer> prove it - goalbreak an iPad
[21:36] <SuperEngineer> in old english they would have goal broken or goal-broken
[21:37] <jacobw> goal? as in football?
[21:37]  * SuperEngineer apologises for being a smart-a**
[21:39] <SuperEngineer> ok - if you insist  g-a-o-l... what d'yu want from a man who's been working - perfection?  oh,. damn, yes, they all do ;)
[21:40] <jacobw> :)
[21:54] <SuperEngineer> anyone here trying 12.04, using Gwibber *and* has a 10.04 Gwibber installed?  Could it be a conflict [evene though no prob was in 11.10]?
[21:55] <SuperEngineer> anyone here know of a [good] Gwibber substitute for monitoring facebook?
[21:56] <SuperEngineer> oh wel - just as I thought - I
[21:56] <SuperEngineer> *am* unique ;)  [mummy always aid I was]
[21:57] <SuperEngineer> *said
[21:57] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[22:10] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0mv7DFQF3c
[22:11] <popey> reckon that's a compiz bug?
[22:15] <AlanBell> yeah, in the resize plugin I should think
[22:16] <AlanBell> if it doesn't do that in unity2d
[22:17] <popey> ah good call
[22:18] <popey> unity 2d is way better
[22:18] <popey> it resizes dynamically as you move the keys
[22:18] <AlanBell> well so will compiz if you let it
[22:18] <popey> I mean OOTB
[22:20] <popey> Grrrr
[22:20] <AlanBell> yeah, the default settings for compiz really don't show off what it can do, I have no idea why Canonical don't let it shine
[22:20] <popey> firefox, i had loads of pinned tabs, and ended up closing the one with all the tabs open, then another firefox window I had
[22:20] <popey> so ff remembered the empty one
[22:20] <popey> thats utterly broken
[22:20] <popey> why the hell would I want to remember a blank window and not a multitabbed window
[22:35] <diplo> popey, it's been like that for years
[22:36] <popey> which, compiz or ff?
[22:36] <diplo> Sorry FF
[22:36] <diplo> Always make sure I close / check what windows I have open first
[22:36] <diplo> Sure it does it on win 7 as well