[07:22] up wayyy too early on a sunday :( [08:06] mattt: watching F1 eh? :) [08:11] MartijnVdS: working :P [08:12] aww [08:37] Morning [08:45] \o popey [08:56] morning all [09:06] morning lovelies [09:06] Happy mothers day christel [09:09] happy mothers day as well from me christel :) xx <3 [09:10] thank you :) [09:18] shame i'm having to work :( [09:19] aww [09:20] i am having to "celebrate" on my own -- apparently my first "present" is for the boy wonder to have a lie-in.. and i was expecting breakfast in bed! [09:21] (otoh the sun is out and i am rather enjoying being able to enjoy a slow mug of coffee in peace) [09:22] sun is out? blimey it's snowing here [09:22] woha really? [09:22] yeah [09:23] it's really sunny here -- yesterday was pretty grey and really cold, woke up today and it's super sunny and lovely [09:23] (well, i havent ventured outside -- it may be freezing) [09:23] where are you at MooDoo [09:23] yeah, i was near blinded when i opened the curtains this morning! [09:23] christel: nottingham [09:24] looking out the windows, it's stopped now, and turned to rain....typical [09:24] hehe [09:50] morning all [09:51] morning AlanBell :) [09:56] directhex: thanks for wrapping the xbox360 in all that red bubble wrap. Gave me something to wrap wifeys mothers-day stuff in ☺ [09:57] morning AlanBell [10:04] MartijnVdS: my mate has found a flat in Ijburg [10:05] popey: One of the few places in Amsterdam with 500/500 fibre :) [10:05] lol [10:05] (that's not a datacentre) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:00] popey: heh [11:00] popey: how's it treating you? [11:13] like i want to press f3 key to toggle between touchpad on or off.. anyway to do this? [11:31] Anyone else having Internet connectivity issues? [11:32] seeker: home or work? [11:37] Home [11:41] Which ISP are you on, seeker? [11:41] directhex: kids love it ☺ [11:41] thats weird [11:41] directhex: they're both currently doing their own profiles [11:41] I booted up my desktop, internet came back to live [11:41] *life [11:42] i only have one set of component ports on my telly and the DVD player uses them ⍨ [11:42] so am currently using the composite port for xbox 360 which doesn't look great [11:42] I connected my xbox 360 via VGA, it increased the resolution. [11:44] Use the XBox as a DVD player [11:44] also, use HDMI for the XBox [11:46] no hdmi port on xbox [11:46] the dvd player is attached to the amp, the xbox isnt [11:46] My xbox RROD'ed, need to get a new one when I can afford it. [11:46] its a bit of a faff [11:49] It's handy that I can use the PS3 as a media player and DVD and toy. [11:57] wow, component is much nicer [12:15] how to set keyboard shortcuts through terminal? [12:16] meet: what do you mean? Keyboard shortcuts tend to be for graphical user interfaces. [12:17] stevenR: ya.. i mean setting up keyboard shortcuts.. [12:17] popey: XBox has no hdmi?! Is it an XBox 1? [12:17] or am I spoiled by all my HDMI devices ;) [12:18] Ello peeps :) [12:18] i want to configure the shortcuts for gui. But how do i do that through the terminal window? which file to edit or what? [12:18] howdy bigcalm [12:18] meet: I suspect it's all stored in some text config file [12:18] so how do i setup keyboard shortcuts in general? [12:18] Hello room. In Thunderbird I've marked a folded as having all messages read. I want to still see these read messages, but Thunderbird seems to be hiding them from me. Anyone know how to turn this feature off? [12:18] meet: which version of Ubuntu do you use? [12:19] 11.10 gnome 3 [12:19] meet: Gnome 3, not unity? [12:19] meet: it's probably specific to the graphical desktop that you're using [12:19] martijnVds: ya gnome 3, not unity. :) suits me better [12:20] In that case.. it's probably very hard. [12:20] martijnVds: any idea how do i setup keyboard shortcuts? [12:20] why? [12:20] Because Gnome 3 isn't a pinnacle of customizability [12:21] so what can i do? any idea where can i find the info/? [12:21] In Unity you can use ccsm to set some keyboard shortcuts [12:22] unity does not suit me. rather i am used to gnome now so i need help for that. the ones i had already do not work directly. [12:22] martijnVds: will ccsm work for gnome? [12:23] yay. CMOS checksum error. [12:23] StevenR_: Press F1 to continue [12:23] MartijnVdS: or DEL to enter setup [12:23] ahh well. The mobo is 9 years old. [12:24] StevenR_: CR2032 :) [12:24] if I used it more, I'd replace the cell, but it's an old box I run mythtv on at my parents' house === imexil1 is now known as imexil [13:50] hmm, Aardman have made a 3D animation - that might actually be worth seeing; not seen any 3d stuff yet [13:51] afternoon [13:52] penguin42: the Pirates thing? [13:52] MartijnVdS: Nod [13:53] can someone check that they can see http://www.treblig.org/debug/slidemergesmall.png - some people are saying they are getting errors - works for me [13:53] It's a PNG [13:53] works here [13:53] ok, thanks [13:53] * jacobw thinks that IE6 doesn't support PNG transparency [13:53] Yes.. are the complainers using stone-age tech? :) [13:53] I believe it can do with a hack, but who cares? [13:54] didn't Google give up on IE6 already? [13:54] unfortunately, people are stupid [13:54] tru.dat [14:09] ha, tru.dat [14:14] hmm, hud doesn't find firefox->edit->preferences from `firefox` 'preferences' [14:15] ofc, now i try to reproduce it, it does :p [16:03] [Phil Bull] GNOME Docs hackfest in Brno - http://philbull.livejournal.com/60292.html [16:58] *sigh* Sundays.... [16:59] +1 awilkins [16:59] bleh [17:12] i currently use gmane for reading high volume lists that i don't want to subscribe to [17:12] i'm happy with it, but interested to know what other archives are used [17:25] jacobw: I tend to read mailing lists with mutt, judicious use of D to kill threads; for news feeds/blogs etc I tend to use Google Reader [17:48] hi all, just had my desktop crash ~ 7 times, been watching the logs now and getting 'chrome[3667]: segfault at 7fff4e852ff8 ip 0000372a7100a001 sp 00007fff4e853000 error 6' [17:48] a whole bunch of them [17:48] anyone know what it could be? [17:49] monitor just goes blank and shows the default 'not plugged in' message, so its like gfx card dies. [17:49] a few times it just hangs, cant move the mouse etc [17:50] dogmatic69: Well that dmesg is chrome dieing - whether that's relating to everything else is a bit difficult to say, do you get any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [17:52] penguin42: http://pastebin.com/J9bFXznT [17:53] not seeing anything jump out at me, not that I know what to look for :D [17:53] why can't i reopen bug 907837 [17:53] Launchpad bug 907837 in Ayatana Design "difficult to resize window with 12.04 overlay scrollbar" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907837 [17:54] just kicked me out to the login [17:54] dogmatic69: That looks OK, but is there a /var/log/Xorg0.log.old - that should have the one from when it last crashed [17:55] ok, it just crashed again, .old http://pastebin.com/7EznYfjy and the 0.log again http://pastebin.com/ind12bF7 [17:55] * dogmatic69 will not open chrome just yet [17:57] dogmatic69: Those look ok, so it doesn't look like the X server is dieing [17:58] just opened firefox and it hung [17:58] on a different pc now [17:58] dogmatic69_: When it hangs can you ctrl-alt-F1 to get a text console? [17:59] nothing seems to work, not tried that though. [17:59] No route to host, his net has gone away [17:59] it only hangs sometimes, mostly it will completely die [18:00] dogmatic69_: Might be worth leaving it on memtest for an hour or two [18:00] :S [18:00] how do I do that? [18:01] dogmatic69_: Reboot, use shift just after the bios to get the GRUB menu, at the bottom should be memtest [18:01] the ram usage has been bad that last while, always using like 6 / 7 gigs of my 8. and swapping almost daily [18:01] dogmatic69_: Leave it running and go {watch a film, walk the cat, etc} [18:01] he he [18:01] right, time to make food [18:02] penguin42: thanks, will try that out. [18:03] penguin42: just std memtest or the serial one? [18:04] gawd... its all red [18:04] 4k errors already [18:04] is that normal? [18:08] ali1234: whats that app you're using in the video? some dbus explorer? [18:08] yes [18:08] it affects any app which has a main window split by a resizable panel [18:08] and then a list in the left side [18:08] for example, banshee, rhythmbox [18:09] but i happened to be using dfeet to test another bug at the time [18:09] trying to make it happen here [18:09] dfeet thats it [18:14] wow, the horizontal resizer on rhythmbox has just been removed rather than make any attempt to fix it [18:19] i still ahve one here [18:20] the two panels are still there, you just can't resize them now [18:20] which two? [18:20] i have 4 [18:20] artist and album [18:21] the leftmost part still has the resize on it but you have to make the window tiny to trigger the bug on that one [18:22] popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86C1-FH5ZK0 [18:26] yeah, just looks like a bug to me [18:27] which? [18:28] well its the same bug [18:28] IMO [18:28] internal panels arent resizable [18:28] yes, i know it's the same problem [18:29] but the question is, where is the bug? [18:29] does the design spec have anything to say about this situation? [18:29] if it does, then is the bug in the implementation? [18:29] and none of this explains why i can't reopen the bug [18:30] the bug manifested in gedit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZNm1C1eEw [18:31] i dunno, will bring it up with the design guys tomorrow, i am in the office sat with them [18:31] cheers [18:31] anyway, dinner tiem [18:38] dogmatic69_: Nope, not normal! [18:44] * penguin42 waits for his pudding to bake [19:16] hey [19:31] whoo now hve the new mail beep turned off, now to find out if I can turn the deleting a folder beep off [19:32] am hoping by using http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/configurable-notifyosd-bubbles-for.html I cna get rid of the notifcation bubble [19:32] worst feature yet tbh, or maybe it;s not working right on my machine. but when mail arrives nad I move my mouse overit, it kinda goes away, so move mouse away and it comes back and repet a few times. [19:33] that is working "right" [19:33] you are supposed to be able to click through them to stuff under, and they fade to let you see what is under them [19:33] well that is well annoying L:( and the person who thought it was right needs a goos clip around the ears [19:34] you can tell Mark that at UDS [19:35] on the ubuntu for android thing there are notifications for incoming calls that you can click on to answer the phone [19:35] I think it is a bit annoying that notifications can't be interacted with [19:36] my problem is I dont always want to see a mail notificaton and if I really have to see it me clicking it should make it go away not vanish and reappear [19:36] lol [19:37] i agree [19:37] i don't see mail notifications though because i use gmail [19:38] and while pidgin does turn the messaging icon blue on getting a new mail, it doesn't pop up a notification bubble, because the integration is incomplete [19:38] obviously i don't use evolution - it cannot handle my inbox at all [19:39] I use thunderbird and love it [19:39] thunderbird? [19:39] but the bubles I just fid annioying I'm well able to monitor my and kno when to review my inbox [19:39] ali1234: yes [19:40] I don't mind the bubbles, but if one pops up that is interesting I want to click on it and be in the message. Not have to go find thunderbird all by myself [19:40] i agree with that too [19:40] yupp [19:40] it just seems poorly implemented and only half works [19:40] but come on, how long has this feature been around? [19:40] so if something half works why use it [19:41] it works exactly as it is supposed to [19:41] people have been saying this since it was first made [19:41] yes, it works exactly as designed, and everyone who said it was a bad design got shot down over a year ago [19:41] http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/253 [19:41] wow has it really been that long? [19:48] i would not be surprised if bubbles were clickable in a future release [19:48] Good evening peeps :) [19:49] i'm only surprised that it has taken so long for you to notice how problematic these things are [19:49] popey: you have an obscure sense of 'traffic' [19:49] I had no bubbles up until a few weeks ago [19:49] heh [19:49] if your right monitor is lower than your left monitor you get no bubbles [19:49] while we're at it, the 1 inch gap between the panel and the notification looks just as stupid now as it did when it was implemented [19:50] ali1234: ah, in that case position the top of your right monitor 1 inch below the top of your left monitor :) [19:50] my right monitor is lower by just enough that the bubble is in the exact location it should be instead of 1 inch below [19:50] yes, basically i already did that accidentally [19:50] i even reported it as a bug... 6 months or so ag [19:50] o [19:51] or maybe i went to do it and it was already reported [19:52] bug 935131 [19:52] Launchpad bug 935131 in libnotify (Ubuntu) "if the rightmost screen is not as high as the aggregate rectangle notifications are off screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/935131 [19:52] well thats not my bug [19:54] bug 779612 [19:54] Launchpad bug 779612 in notify-osd (Ubuntu) "Notifications appear vertically shifted on second monitor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/779612 [19:56] did you just upgrade from lts today or something? [19:57] hmm? [19:57] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/71380064/volume.png ah remember when you ddidn't have to use one of the awful new themes? [19:58] I like the new theme [19:58] i don't [19:58] it looks terrible when you use gnome-panel 3 [19:58] all three of them [19:59] hmm a bug [19:59] hmm another bug [19:59] bugs [20:00] argh ANOTHER BUG [20:00] ok i have some bug reporting to do [20:01] wonder if anyone is still maintaining notify-osd [20:01] bug 811475 [20:01] Launchpad bug 811475 in One Hundred Paper Cuts "Descender letters (g j p q y) get their tail cut off in current song" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/811475 [20:02] *boggle* how long that has been open [20:02] i wish apport and launchpad were smart enough to report bugs on PPA instead of just saying "not official package gtfo" [20:02] "This is one of many problems with the current layout. It will be fixed by the [20:02] new layout some time." [20:02] popey: not as long as my notify-osd bug [20:02] heh [20:04] wow, that is papercutish [20:04] bug 958769 [20:04] Launchpad bug 958769 in kazam (Ubuntu) "recording region selector window can't be moved over the top panel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/958769 [20:11] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rr1gZVRTo6o [20:11] basically, indicators don't have a delay if you very quickly mouse over them on the way to a menu item [20:12] the old gnome panels used to have this [20:12] you now have to carefully move the mouse to where you are going without going over something else on the way [20:13] its like one of those steady hand games [20:13] * popey confirms [20:13] i didn't report it yet! [20:13] or you mean kazam? [20:15] yes [20:15] any idea what i should report this against? [20:15] and whilst confirming discocvered bug 958777 [20:15] Launchpad bug 958777 in kazam (Ubuntu) "region window can be dragged off screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/958777 [20:15] yeah with alt-drag you can drag it completely off the screen [20:15] it doesn't hurt recording though [20:15] sure, makes no sense tho :) [20:16] true enough [20:16] the bugs sure are coming in fast btw [20:16] almost one a minute on a sunday evening? [20:16] some are automagic [20:16] and not on ubuntu [20:17] bu70 [20:17] bah [20:17] bug 958770 [20:17] Launchpad bug 958770 in NUnit V2 "Add Assert.Throws( Func ) for properties" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/958770 [20:17] bug 958771 [20:17] Launchpad bug 958771 in grub2 (Ubuntu) "package grub-pc 1.98-1ubuntu13 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess installiertes post-installation-Skript gab den Fehlerwert 10 zurück" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/958771 [20:17] bug 958772 [20:17] Error: Bug #958772 is a duplicate of bug #957441, but it is private (https://launchpad.net/bugs/957441) [20:17] hehe [20:17] so, any idea about my indicator thing? [20:17] sunday is a typical evening for bug hunting I think [20:18] i dont understand it [20:18] report against indicator package or design? [20:18] er [20:18] basically [20:18] click the power button thing [20:18] the move the mouse diagonally in a straight line to where it says "system settings" [20:18] hah, i see [20:18] over the word "system" [20:19] this takes the mouse over the user indicator, which opens [20:19] then you end up clicking on "switch user" accidentally [20:19] if you run memtest on good ram, will it show 0 errors? or is there an acceptable limit? [20:19] indicator-session [20:19] I'd file against that [20:19] in gnome, if you made this kind of motion very quickly, it would simply ignore the intermediate things you travelled over [20:19] in unity, it's time to play the steady hand game [20:19] dogmatic69: good ram should have zero errors [20:20] :S [20:20] but erros isn't necessarily bad ram [20:20] so 500k errors is not good ram? [20:20] you might be using the wrong clock or voltage [20:20] been the same for 3+ years [20:20] or wrong ram [20:20] 500k errors is OMG GET A NEW COMPUTER [20:20] :/ [20:20] then my bank acc is gonna have 500k errors [20:20] 1 or 2 errors is enough to completely mess up the machine [20:21] bah [20:21] popey: hmm indicator-session? [20:21] and its old ram, Its going to be $$$ [20:21] the bug affects all indicators [20:22] dogmatic69: yeah, so just buy a new motherboard cpu and ram [20:25] i'm going to open it as a design bug [20:25] it's a feature request really [20:27] this might actually be a regression in gtk3? menus are doing it too [20:27] but maybe it is because they are global menus [20:28] firefox bookmarks toolbar is still showing the old behaviour [20:28] right clikc pop up menus too [20:30] hmm yes ok, this affects anything that involves the top panel [20:32] wonder if I can fix that rhythmbox bug [20:36] * popey installs banshee [20:37] this must have a name [20:38] every single desktop environemtn does it- except for unity [20:38] evening all [20:38] why have we regressed back to one pixel wide handles for resizing windows? [20:38] because the dropshadow utterly killed the performance? [20:39] popey: I had that for a little bit. Updated recently and it went away [20:39] the dropshadow is still there, you just can't use it any more :( [20:39] there is a bug for it [20:40] how to i get the right-click-title-bar on maximised windows again? [20:40] ah no, it's still there :( [20:40] ali1234: alt-space [20:41] doesn't work [20:41] wfm [20:41] i have disabled the hud [20:41] that HUD alt key binding has been a complete farce [20:42] yep [20:42] Except disabling it disables ALL alt bindings [20:42] or has that been fixed [20:42] it has caused so many issues in its various implementations, and it has nothing to do with the functionality of the HUD [20:43] i was going to say "everyne knows you;re supposed to resize windows by spressing alt-space, selecting resize, then shuffling around with the arrow keys until the window is the size you want" [20:43] the root problem is that they are trying to use a meta key as a single keypress [20:43] i have actually seen idiots claim this is a better way to resize on OMG ubuntu [20:44] but since that way doesn't even work now [20:44] i can't make a sarcastic joke out of it [20:44] it's just well and truly broken :/ [20:44] 0/ [20:45] ali1234: erk, that resize option is nastyily broken [20:45] do you know if there is a bug for it? [20:46] no idea. i did notice it was broken too [20:46] but since i never use it, i don't care :) [20:46] it is only interesting to me in that it is yet another thing that worked until unity came along [20:47] just booted to 10.04 - got sick of 12.04 app version fails [evolution format not compatible with 10.04 version, gwibber won't successfully authorise facebook [etc,etc] [20:47] "gwibber won't successfully authorise facebook" - funny story [20:47] .... time for bug reporting methinks - if only I hadn't got other stuff to do as well... [20:48] i was trying to explain to the dash lens developers why i don't want every website integrated into the desktop [20:48] one of the reasons is, as soon as the website changes, the lens will break [20:48] just like gwibber always does [20:48] they didn't listen of course [20:48] ali1234: +1 on that [20:48] "we will keep it up to date" they said [20:48] dunno why an OS can't be an OS, and a website a website [20:49] "well how about you start by keeping gwibber up to date" i said [20:49] ali1234: http://www.quickmeme.com/They-said/ ? [20:49] as in... [I have a piece of paer in my hand - #chamberlin said] [20:52] btw - my comments are not a whinge at Ubuntu... but at the apps within [20:53] how is that for luck... first ram module removed, no errors \o/ [20:53] hotplugging RAM? [20:53] nope [20:54] new ram in the post, + shiny ssd [20:54] "first ram module removed, no errors" = a successful lambing at a farm? === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [21:06] right, pc not crashing any more [21:07] and its actually faster with 6gigs of good ram vs 8gigs of broken ram [21:08] dogmatic69: did you try cleaning the contact strip on the ram & reseating... may be worth a try [21:08] SuperEngineer: not tried that, the pc is 5+ years old [21:08] its a intel Q6600 and I got it virtually the day they were released [21:09] [or running a full ram test?]... if pc is 5+ old - worth a clean [& a precautionary reseating of 'good' ram [21:10] ...you'd be surprised how mant times I've resussitated dead machines by cleaning/reseating/swapping slots [21:10] I just ran mem test for 2 1/2 hours [21:10] &...? [21:11] is that memtest like defrag for mem? [21:11] memtest == 500k errors [21:11] ouch [21:11] removed the dodgy one and 0 errors, running 3x 2gigs now [21:12] clean /reseat but probably the big ram bin in the sky is correct [21:12] got 4x corsair 6400c5c in the shopping cart [21:12] :) [21:12] get that + SSD and it should be good for a while again [21:13] how easy would it be to reinstall ubuntu on ssd and tell it to use the /home/{me} on another disk? [21:13] just an a quickie... last week got sent to site where basic report was "failed - smells of burning"] [21:14] lol [21:14] I arrived on site & they'd left it switched on! [21:14] lmao [21:14] converted into a paper weight [21:14] lmfao is just what I did [21:14] did it still smell like burning? [21:15] noooo... much worse - battery on a board had exploded - toxic fumes everywhere! [21:15] magic smoke! [21:15] * SuperEngineer preferes magic mushrooms [21:16] tricky to replace the magic smoke, never did find a good supplier [21:21] popey: I think the rhythmbox thing is a GTK bug [21:22] on the plus side I do have a patch, but it will stop it truncating very long song names to ellipsise them [21:33] Whilst Slashdot [can] be a p[ain - sometimes you read a real doozy... "New iPad Jailbroken Already" [aww, go on Apple, smile if you dare] [21:34] doozy? [21:34]