[00:01] <MCR1> mkultra_: Thanks a lot ! :)
[00:04] <MCR1> mkultra_: I need it for Precise - the source won't compile under Precise anymore :P - so your version of things will not work also... :'(
[00:05] <glosoli> MCR1: just out of curiosity, why  do you want Emerald so bad ?
[00:07] <MCR1> I want glow, I want transparency, I want a good-looking Ubuntu and I want my 6 buttons to shade/unshade sticky/unsticky rollup/down back on Precise like I had all my Linux versions before...
[00:07] <glosoli> aah :)
[00:08] <MCR1> gtk-window-decorator is not only ugly, but also lacks functionality big-time !
[00:09] <MCR1> it is a really big regression (one of many I am experiencing at the moment) :P
[00:11] <glosoli> MCR1: well that's what you think :)
[00:11] <glosoli> MCR1: imho, emerald was the most hated thing for me ;D
[00:11] <glosoli> I like minimalism
[00:11] <MCR1> glosoli: no that's all facts...
[00:11] <glosoli> it depends on person needs
[00:12] <glosoli> In my point of view Mark is doing things in the way I like
[00:12] <glosoli> :)
[00:12] <glosoli> He wants to make Ubuntu Idiot-Proof operating system ;D
[00:12] <MCR1> I cannot get what I need from gtk-win-decorator then (if you like to formulate it that way) ;)
[00:14] <MCR1> taking away options from the user is not the Linux way and should not be - it should be about freedom of choice...
[00:19] <haz3lnut> glosoli: when you make a system idiot proof, somone will invent a better idiot.
[00:20] <glosoli> haz3lnut: well yes, but I see it as the only way going if you want to gain giant numbers of new users :)
[00:23] <MCR1> idiot-proof should not mean "just for idiots" imho ;)
[00:24] <haz3lnut> glosoli, MCR1 as long as I can still double click titlebar and make my window gently and smoothly roll up or down, I'm good with unity.
[00:25] <MCR1> haz3lnut: how do you make it sticky or shade then ?
[00:25] <haz3lnut> neither gnome shell nor kde 4.8 have that functionality.
[00:25] <glosoli> MCR1: it doesn't mean that way :)
[00:26] <haz3lnut> MCR1, sticky?
[00:26] <glosoli> on the top he means ?
[00:26] <MCR1> I do not care what others have - I want the new Unity with all options I had in 11.10
[00:26] <MCR1> sticky = on all desktops
[00:26] <glosoli> lol
[00:27] <glosoli> you can
[00:27] <MCR1> a chat window or movie player or radio controls for example
[00:27] <glosoli> right click
[00:27] <glosoli> "Always On Visible WorkSpace"
[00:27] <glosoli> does that :)
[00:27] <MCR1> I want it on all workspaces
[00:27] <MCR1> Also I want an option to make a window stay on top of others
[00:28] <MCR1> and I want buttons for that on my titlebar, which is glowing and transparent, has a nice font and an icon on it ;)
[00:29] <MCR1> not that gtk last century stuff
[00:31] <glosoli_> MCR1: my connection died
[00:31] <glosoli_> if you written smth you may want to repaste it
[00:32] <MCR1> LOL - and I just tried the "always on visible workspace" option (whatever this should mean ?) and it does not even work, but shows some other windows on the other workspaces then - total chaos :P
[00:33] <Daekdroom> MCR1, it works ok for me.
[00:34] <MCR1> I enabled it for Pidgin - switch the workspace and have chromium on the other one...
[00:34]  * glosoli works here too.
[00:34] <MCR1> when I enable such an option pidgin should be on all workspaces at the same time while the other windows should be untouched
[00:34] <glosoli> !bung MCR1
[00:34] <Daekdroom> Are you sure you activated it for the right window?
[00:34] <glosoli> !bug MCR1
[00:35] <glosoli> hmm ;D
[00:35] <glosoli> wrong command again :/
[00:35] <Daekdroom> !bug
[00:35] <Daekdroom> ?
[00:35] <MCR1> yes, just checked again
[00:35] <glosoli> !bug Daekdroom
[00:35] <glosoli> hmm
[00:35] <Daekdroom> !bug | glosoli
[00:35] <Daekdroom> It's smart like that. But you have to use a |
[00:36] <glosoli> Daekdroom: aaa forgot then :)
[00:36] <glosoli> that''
[00:36] <glosoli> 02:36 feeling tired
[00:36] <MCR1> does definitely not work here
[00:37] <MCR1> always on top works at least :)
[00:37] <glosoli> are you on Main Mirror
[00:37] <glosoli>  ?
[00:37] <Daekdroom> It's working ok for me, really
[00:38] <glosoli> Same here
[00:38] <glosoli> He left
[00:39] <MCR1> hehe, funny - move to another workspace made the Pidgin chatwindow disappear completely
[00:40] <Daekdroom> It's in the limbo.
[00:41] <MCR1> I have to admit that my compizconfig is highly individualized and I am using gnome3-ppa, so I do not know if I can easily blame Ubuntu ;)
[00:41] <glosoli> You can blame yourself
[00:41] <glosoli> easily :D
[00:44]  * MCR1 is blaming himself for wanting to have the same functionality like in 11.10 in 12.04 as well:P
[00:45] <glosoli> well as I said it works fo rme
[00:45] <glosoli> works for Daek
[00:45] <glosoli> So it's mainly because you having testing repos in testing os
[00:45] <glosoli> :)
[00:45] <Daekdroom> But that functionality didn't change.
[00:45] <trippeh> Ok - managed to get toad fixed - somehow :P
[00:45] <MCR1> thx for testing :)
[00:46] <trippeh> But I broke Service manager. Bummer.
[00:46] <Daekdroom> It's worth nothing, however, that until not long ago I often had trouble with compiz starting to mishandle windows.
[00:46] <Daekdroom> Apparently fixed in 5.6
[00:50] <haz3lnut> with all the crash errors, what'
[00:50] <haz3lnut> what's the likelihood that 12.04 will be released on time?
[00:52] <Daekdroom> High.
[00:52] <Daekdroom> It seems to me it's exactly like any other release.
[00:52] <glosoli> Canonical is so strict with release schedule
[00:52] <glosoli> :/
[00:53] <trippeh> Release on time, not when ready ;)
[00:53] <trippeh> Usually its not too bad though
[00:53] <trippeh> And the point releases are pretty good.
[00:53] <haz3lnut> I'm not feeling too good about this.
[00:53] <glosoli> haz3lnut: neither me
[00:53] <Daekdroom> The whole purpose of the schedule is trying to get it ready when they want it to.
[00:53] <trippeh> Can always skip the 12.4.0 ;)
[00:54] <Daekdroom> i.e. FeatureFreeze, BetaFreeze etc are supposed to take care of that.
[00:54] <haz3lnut> I'd be happier if they delayed 1 month to iron out bugs.
[00:54] <log> Is there any way to figure out which packages are blocking updates to other ones?
[00:54] <log> I've been presented with "partial upgrades" for about a week now.
[00:54] <trippeh> haz3lnut: Wait for 12.4.1 then
[00:55] <log> About 30 packages are greyed out.
[00:55] <haz3lnut> I'm doing an update now.  We'll see if anything is better.
[00:55] <haz3lnut> One would assume an LTS release would be rock solid.
[00:55] <trippeh> Or just wait a month after release before installing it
[00:55] <Daekdroom> Technically it's not a LTS release yet.
[00:56] <haz3lnut> I know.
[00:56] <log> pangolin, do you know?
[00:56] <micahg> it's 3 months after release (until the .1 release) before upgrades to the last LTS are offered as prompted upgrades
[00:56] <haz3lnut> but beta has so many crash/critical bugs, I don;t see how they get fixed in the next 30 days
[00:57] <haz3lnut> I wish I was a more experienced programmer, I'd be mad at work helping out.
[00:59] <pangolin> log, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should get those packages
[01:00] <log> pangolin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859240 scares me, though. :P
[01:00] <log> I should check each individual packages that is recommended to be removed, right?
[01:00] <log> The following packages will be REMOVED: libgstfarsight0.10-0 libtelepathy-farsight0 python-farsight python-papyon telepathy-butterfly
[01:00] <pangolin> log, there comes a time when testing a pre-release install that you need to just go for it.
[01:01] <micahg> log: are you doing a dist-upgrade?
[01:01] <log> Yes.
[01:01] <pangolin> DO ET!
[01:01] <log> Because I'm sick of these grayed out packages and "partial upgrade" prompts. :P
[01:01] <micahg> right, telepathy-butterfly is no more, but if it's offering a partial upgrade, that's a bug
[01:02] <log> Well, partial upgrade = sudo apt-get dist-upgrade.
[01:02] <pangolin> you are probably going to get linux-image-* packages and it will replace a few other packages
[01:02] <micahg> orly?
[01:02] <log> Yeah.
[01:02] <log> So I think it's trying to get me to remove obsolete packages.
[01:02] <micahg> hmm, what is held back?
[01:02] <Daekdroom> What does it want to remove?
[01:02] <micahg> removal is fine on dist-upgrade
 The following packages will be REMOVED: libgstfarsight0.10-0 libtelepathy-farsight0 python-farsight python-papyon telepathy-butterfly
[01:02] <log> Nothing is held back.
[01:02] <micahg> well, as long as it looks sane
[01:02] <Daekdroom> Those seem fine to be removed.
[01:02] <log> Okay.
[01:03] <Daekdroom> There were some renaming around telepathy.
[01:03] <Daekdroom> *was
[01:03] <log> I'm assuming that, if they were dependencies, it would remove the main software as well.
[01:03] <log> So I'm not too worried.
[01:03] <Daekdroom> and as long as it doesn't remove any actual program, for example, empathy...
[01:03] <log> I definitely didn't install those individually.
[01:03] <Daekdroom> They're Empathy dependencies.
[01:03] <log> Okay, I'm going for it. :P
[01:04] <log> Wait, wait.
[01:04] <log> It says that there are a ton of new packages to be installed.
[01:04] <pangolin> with any luck you will still be here in 5-10 minutes
[01:04] <Daekdroom> That is expected too.
[01:04] <log> Including gnome-shell. I don't want gnome-shell. :(
[01:04] <pangolin> log, hit enter and trust in me
[01:04] <Daekdroom> You might try removing it afterwards to check what depends on it.
[01:04] <log> Ok.
[01:05] <pangolin> Did you do it?
[01:05] <log> Doing it.
[01:05] <pangolin> OMG I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DID IT
[01:05] <pangolin> :P
[01:05] <log> :P
[01:05] <pangolin> hehe
[01:07] <log> I SURVIVED!
[01:07] <log> Rebooting.
[01:08] <pangolin> we'll see
[01:09] <Daekdroom> He has to come back so I'll know what depends on gnome-shell. :|
[01:10] <pangolin> install apt-rdepends
[01:10] <MCR1> he survived
[01:11] <log> EVERYTHING'S BROKEN.
[01:11] <log> /s
[01:11] <Daekdroom> Really?
[01:11] <pangolin> welcome back log
[01:12] <log> pangolin: Oh hey. :P
[01:12] <log> Daekdroom: Nah, jokes.
[01:12] <glosoli> ;DD
[01:12] <log> "The software on this computer is up to date"
[01:12] <log> ftw
[01:13] <log> First time I've seen that in a week.
[01:13] <log> This + hybrid graphics fix = week made.
[01:13] <log> I learned that Ubuntu was keeping my AMD card, rather than my Intel card, on all the time, so I found a fix to disable the AMD.
[01:13] <pangolin> Daekdroom, http://paste.ubuntu.com/890093/ rdepends output for gnome-shell
[01:13] <log> And now my laptop lasts 5.5 hours rather than 1.5 hours.
[01:13] <log> It's wonderful.
[01:14] <glosoli> log: Optimus ?
[01:14] <log> No, AMD Catalyst.
[01:14] <glosoli> log: which card ?
[01:14] <log> Well, but I'm not using the Catalyst drivers.
[01:14] <log> 6630M.
[01:14] <log> It's a nice card, but I don't really need it in Ubuntu.
[01:15] <glosoli> log: so you are switching to Intel integrated ?
[01:15] <log> Yes.
[01:15] <log> Discrete card is completely off now.
[01:15] <glosoli> log: would you mind explaining me a bit more ?
[01:16] <glosoli> log: I am not quite sure, but it seems like I have not Hybrid Graphics, but both Intel and ATI in my laptop
[01:16] <log> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1917897 <-- Instructions for disabling hybrid graphics/the discrete card in Ubuntu.
[01:16] <log> It's not my specific HP model, but it worked for me.
[01:16] <Daekdroom> Oh damnit.
[01:16] <glosoli> Hmm I am not sure if my ATI Mobility Radeon HD5730 1GB
[01:16] <Daekdroom> I purged a PPA and apparently in order to do so, it'll break my system :(
[01:16] <glosoli> is hybrid
[01:16] <log> glosoli: Are you able to switch between it and the Intel card in Windows?
[01:16] <log> (Using the AMD Catalyst Control Center?)
[01:16] <glosoli> log: aaa, that's the answer, afaik no
[01:17] <log> See, mine lets me switch between the AMD GPU and the integrated Intel GPU.
[01:17] <log> One for gaming, one for power savings.
[01:17] <glosoli> log: well I never tryed to get into AMD Catalyst in windows too much, I am now only Ubuntu
[01:17] <log> I hardly do gaming, so I opt for the power savings. :P
[01:17] <glosoli> Yep, I would like my lappie to last at college more than 2 hours
[01:18] <log> glosoli: sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
[01:18] <log> What is the result?
[01:18] <glosoli> no such file or dir
[01:18] <log> Hmm, okay.
[01:18] <log> I'm guessing you don't have switchable graphics, then. What's the model of your laptop?
[01:18] <glosoli> Asus N61JA
[01:18]  * log looks.
[01:19] <glosoli> log: processor i5-450M that one is not listed in Asus website as I see
[01:19] <log> glosoli: Yeah, no switchable graphics. :/
[01:20] <glosoli> log: ah okay, anyway buying new one this year :)
[01:20] <log> Nice, do you know which one yet?
[01:20] <glosoli> well I will know after Ivy Bridge releases
[01:20] <log> Ah. That's been delayed a lot.
[01:20] <glosoli> was thinking of getting MacBook Pro for Dual Booting with Ubuntu and OS X
[01:21] <log> Based on the past, there will be a large time gap between the Ivy Bridge release and Macs being equipped with IB. :P
[01:21] <glosoli> that would make the best choice for me, as intend to be software developer :)
[01:21] <glosoli> log: as I heard, in may
[01:21] <glosoli> May"
[01:21] <log> For the Ivy Bridge release?
[01:21] <log> Or Macs with IB?
[01:21] <trippeh> I'm looking forward to the asus zenbook ivy refresh, 1080p display down to 11,6" :-o
[01:22] <trippeh> Drooooool
[01:22] <log> trippeh: Ooh, nice.
[01:22] <trippeh> IPS too
[01:22] <log> Too small for me, though. :(
[01:22] <glosoli> log: I am not sure, was reading that Apple is top priority for Intel now, as nVidia kepler was delayed
[01:22] <trippeh> They do have a 13-something variant
[01:22] <log> Oh, okay. Still a bit small.
[01:22] <log> glosoli: Hmm, interesting.
[01:22] <trippeh> I'm on a 1920x1200 17" 'laptop' now, heh :P
[01:22] <glosoli> trippeh: yep, zenbooks look awesome
[01:23] <log> trippeh: I have a 14.5", and it seems like a good size for me. A bit disappointed by the 1366x768 resolution, though. :/
[01:23] <glosoli> log: for me macbook pro would be the best choice of ability to develop apps for ubuntu and os x :)
[01:23] <log> glosoli: Or a Hackintosh. ;P
[01:23] <glosoli> log: I have 16" with that reso... pity Asus
[01:23] <glosoli> log: Hackintosh doesn't work good enough with laptops
[01:23] <log> glosoli: Haha, that's painful for that size.
[01:24] <log> Yeah, I tried it in the past. Not so great.
[01:24] <glosoli> log: I want to be completely compatible with both Ubuntu and OS X
[01:24] <log> Daekdroom: Any luck with your PPA issue?
[01:24] <glosoli> log: Meanwhile if I wouldn't be a student And will be able to afford Personal Computer, hackintosh will work
[01:24] <Daekdroom> I'm working on it.
[01:24] <Daekdroom> Using synaptic to downgrade the packages, but if I do it in the wrong order, it'll try to remove the whole system.
[01:25] <log> Daekdroom: Have you tried ppa-purge?
[01:25] <log> It automatically downgrades stuff and removes the PPA.
[01:25] <Daekdroom> Yes. It tried to break my system
[01:25] <log> Oh. :(
[01:25] <log> I don't like using PPAs for critical stuff. ;P
[01:29] <log> Daekdroom: Let me know what happens. :)
[01:31] <Daekdroom> The only thing I still have to revert now is gnome-keyring dependencies.
[01:31] <Daekdroom> I think I'ma try to add the ppa again, and purge it before doing the upgrade to it
[01:31] <tbruff13> can anyone help me with Kubuntu 12.04 and LTSP
[01:31] <tbruff13> I am having issues
[01:32] <tbruff13> I have been able to make LTSP work on the server
[01:33] <log> tbruff13: Maybe some people in #ltsp would have experience with 12.04 and LTSP...?
[01:33] <log> Just a suggestion.
[01:33] <log> (In case nobody responds here.)
[01:33] <Daekdroom> with LTSP they would have, for sure.
[01:33] <Daekdroom> 12.04? Maybe.
[01:34] <log> Daekdroom: Well, yes, the first part is a given. :P
[01:34] <tbruff13> now whenever I boot a client it loads the gtk startup stuff (which is fine) and when i log in i see the log in sign stuff for Kubuntu and then a black screen and a cursor and that is it
[01:45] <Daekdroom> Aaaalmost fixed it.
[01:45] <Daekdroom> Now I must try and reinstall gwibber.
[01:45] <Daekdroom> and done. :D
[01:45] <glosoli> hmm :D
[01:46] <Daekdroom> <3 synaptic
[01:48] <glosoli> synaptic is like old trusted guy
[01:48] <glosoli> ;D
[01:50] <log> Daekdroom: You use Gwibber?
[01:50] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[01:50] <log> Oh.
[01:50] <log> I was trying to get rid of Gwibber for a long time.
[01:50] <Daekdroom> But what bothers me most about having it removed is that it's a recommended package for ubuntu-desktop.
[01:50] <Daekdroom> And I don't like to remove any of them.
[01:50] <log> Then they removed it from the ubuntu-desktop dependencies.
[01:50] <log> So I was happy.
[01:51] <log> Oh.
[01:51] <log> Wait, it's still recommended?
[01:51] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[01:51] <Daekdroom> Just not a dependency
[01:51] <Daekdroom> i.e. you can install ubuntu-desktop without it
[01:51] <log> Ah.
[01:53] <glosoli> Good Night :)
[01:56] <mkultra_> my glx-dock's broke
[01:56] <mkultra_> wont show icon stacks on some stacks upon boot
[02:05] <log> mkultra_: Have you asked in #cairo-dock?
[02:05] <mkultra_> no
[02:14] <Fyodorovna> So anyone lost the crtl-alt-t=terminal?
[02:52] <trippeh> Fyodorovna: yes, but only in gnome-shell.
 Fyodorovna: yes, but only in gnome-shell.
[03:06] <tbruff13> Can anyone help me an application in Kubuntu 12.04 is trying to gain root access by running gksu I have gksu installed and the window pops up but when i enter the correct password it says it is incorrect
[03:07] <pangolin> which application?
[03:08] <tbruff13> Remastersys
[03:08] <tbruff13> but i think i figured it out
[03:08] <tbruff13> i changed mode from sudo to su
[03:09] <tbruff13> nope it is still doing it
[03:09] <tbruff13> ill reboot and see if it fixes it
[05:14] <hakermania> Hello, I've find a very serious bug in 12.04. It actually has to do with losing focus when changing a wallpaper. This is how to reproduce: 1) Restart your system 2) Right click on desktop -> Change Desktop Backgeround
[05:14] <hakermania> Background*
[05:14] <hakermania> Then, select an image an notice that everything was OK.
[05:14] <hakermania> (The image changed correctly)
[05:15] <hakermania> Then, hit  'Windows Key' to open the dashboard
[05:15] <hakermania> 4)Try selecting another wallpaper and notice that the focus of the window is being lost.
[05:18] <hakermania> This is a file pointing out the bug : http://www.mediafire.com/?vdp11uph7vyyb5j
[05:29] <hakermania> I filled a bug in gnome's bugzilla
[05:29] <hakermania> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672375
[07:05] <pepiko> hello
[09:05] <WilsonBradley> Trying to figure out how to turn off Firewall in Ubuntu , to see if that is the problem..
[09:07] <Tm_T> WilsonBradley: have you configured firewall?
[09:09] <WilsonBradley> Dont know how
[09:09] <Tm_T> WilsonBradley: then you most likely have none
[09:09] <WilsonBradley> Something is not going through and wondering if the Ubuntu firewall was blocking it
[09:09] <Tm_T> technically there is a firewall, but by default it doesn't block anything
[09:09] <WilsonBradley> Some app/package install might have enabled it
[09:10] <Tm_T> can't imagine what that could be
[09:10] <Tm_T> but you can see your iptables rules by "sudo iptables -L" in the commandline
[09:11] <topyli> i don't think we'd allow an app to fiddle with your firewall without you knowing
[09:11] <Tm_T> topyli: indeed
[09:13] <WilsonBradley> Thank you for the heads up.. and the command line
[09:13] <WilsonBradley> For some reason my torrents arn't going through via Deluge
[09:14] <topyli> don't torrents clients wiggle their way through pretty much any firewall anyway?
[09:16] <WilsonBradley> Humm, in Deluge under network , when I click Test Port- it shows a Red !
[09:17] <WilsonBradley> I also have UPnP enabled in Deluge and Router
[09:18] <DropsOfSerenity> I play HoN and while playing there is a shortcut to use an item, it's a fullscreen game, and the shortcut is alt-q when i press alt, hud pops up, forcing the fullscreen application into windowed, then when hud closes, my application is left in windowed mode, how do I disable HUD in fullscreen applications?
[09:20] <brendand> DropsOfSerenity, HUD should only be summoned by a tap. If you're holding ALT down and it's appearing then I'm not sure what's up - the behaviour for me is as I described
[09:20] <brendand> DropsOfSerenity, maybe you're not really doing Alt+Q?
[09:20] <brendand> rather Alt,Q
[09:21] <DropsOfSerenity> brendand, sometimes I need to tap alt, anything, and yeah I am, all the shortcuts are assigned to alt-q alt-w alt-e etc. I use them all the time when hud is disabled or when on windows, also alt-click pings the map, which is something i cannot do also when hud is enabled.
[09:22] <DropsOfSerenity> any shortcut in game requiring the alt key I cannot do when it's enabled, as it brings up hud
[09:22] <DropsOfSerenity> brendand, this behavior is different, say in xchat or irssi, pressing alt-1 alt-2 changes tabs/windows and doesn't bring up hud
[09:23] <DropsOfSerenity> same with firefox or any windowed application, it only seems to happen in fullscreen apps.
[09:24] <brendand> is HoN free? maybe i can try..
[09:24] <DropsOfSerenity> indeed, but it's a large download
[09:24] <DropsOfSerenity> let me see if I can find a smaller app that has the same problem
[09:29] <WilsonBradley> Trying to use Deluge . I have UpnP enabled on Router and Deluge, but still getting a Red! when clicking-check Port.. Is this normal behavior in Deluge?
[09:34] <ironhalik> WilsonBradley: you could try setting the port manually
[09:34] <DropsOfSerenity> brendand, I suppose the better solution for me at least, would be to find a way to disable HUD while preserving alt-tab
[09:34] <DropsOfSerenity> once the HUD keystroke is disabled, i cannot use alt-tab
[09:34] <DropsOfSerenity> setting it back to alt again, re-enables alt-tab as well
[09:34] <ironhalik> DropsOfSerenity: yeah, theres a bug filed for that
[09:35] <WilsonBradley> ironhalik , Maually in Deluge? I did that
[09:35] <ironhalik> WilsonBradley: manually in your router
[09:36] <DropsOfSerenity> ironhalik, do you have the link/ bug number?
[09:38] <brendand> DropsOfSerenity, I don't even know what HoN stands for? I'll try and download it (don't worry, i've plenty of bandwidth) and see what happens. Just need to know what to search for :)
[09:38] <ironhalik> bug #945816
[09:39] <DropsOfSerenity> brendand, Heroes of Newerth, but it's ok, don't worry about it, it's kind of a specific maneuveur you have to do, I think I will just submit a bug report.
[09:41] <DropsOfSerenity> ironhalik, hmm looks like fix committed, thank you.
[09:42] <WilsonBradley> Ironhalik, yes. I did manual in both
[11:22] <glosoli> Anyone had success installing QuickTime plugin for Chromium/Chrome ?
[11:24] <KM0201> haven't tried, i didn't know chrome had a quicktime plugin for linux
[11:25] <glosoli> I am not sure if it has
[11:25] <glosoli> It is said that Chrome can use plugins from firefox dir
[11:26] <KM0201> well, i dunno about that
[11:26] <KM0201> i know some it can (flash)
[11:26] <KM0201> not sure about QT though
[11:26] <KM0201> curious what video are you trying to watch?
[11:26] <KM0201> i'll check it see if it works for e
[11:26] <KM0201> *me
[11:26] <KM0201> as long as its not personal or porn
[11:26] <glosoli> Willing to watch Apple's conference on how they will spend on that billions
[11:26] <glosoli> ;D
[11:27] <KM0201> lol
[11:27] <KM0201> well, not all of it, but send me a link
[11:27] <KM0201> i'm just upgrading my server right now, so i have time
[11:27] <glosoli> http://goo.gl/2jQha
[11:30] <KM0201> hmm, no joy here either
[11:31] <glosoli> KM0201: was I PM'ing you are some other guy ? :D
[11:31] <glosoli> I am not sure now ;D
[11:31] <glosoli> just woke up
[11:31] <KM0201> no, it was me..lol
[11:31] <glosoli> doh :DD such a shame
[11:31] <KM0201> hmm, not really sure on that one
[11:34] <glosoli> KM0201: it was said that Medibuntu repo can help with w64codecs hmm didin't ;D
[11:34] <KM0201> i;ve not used medibuntu in years
[11:34] <glosoli> me too ;D
[11:34] <KM0201> just use ubuntu-restricted-extras
[11:34] <glosoli> After installing ubuntu restricted extras
[11:34] <glosoli> my fonts in skype
[11:34] <glosoli> became bold
[11:34] <glosoli> :DD
[11:35] <KM0201> i had a weird issue the other day, i installed vbox-ose, and it uninstalled skype as a conflicting package.,
[11:36] <glosoli> It's a pity skype devs give not feedback about skypes future
[11:37] <rye> glosoli: bug #744812
[11:37] <rye> just fwif
[11:37] <rye> fwiw
[11:38] <glosoli> what's fwiw ?
[11:39] <rye> glosoli: for whoever is wondering
[11:39] <rye> or for what it is worth (i remember seeing this interpretation too)
[11:39] <glosoli> rye: do you have proper font config at the moment ?
[11:40] <rye> glosoli: no, i use the default; you can check whether it is only skype by e.g. running keepasx - another qt app
[11:40] <glosoli> rye: http://www.part.lt/img/43716c2ff242beec69fe4889e6d3ffa2452.png  is this how default should look like  ?
[11:40] <rye> but it is not skype only, removing medium ubuntu font will un-bold the applications, as was the workaround for previous releases
[11:41] <rye> glosoli: yes, that's how it looks, why?
[11:41] <glosoli> feels strange for that Sans 13
[11:41] <glosoli> ah Sans 12
[11:41] <glosoli> Ubuntu Mono 13
[11:47] <thetinyjesus> hey so just confirming, running 12.04 beta 1 are the updates the same thing as updating to beta 2 once released?
[11:47] <Pici> Yes.
[11:47] <Pici> !latest
[11:47] <Pici> er.
[11:47] <Pici> !final
[11:47] <Pici> (sorry, still waking up)
[11:48] <thetinyjesus> whats !final?
[11:48] <Pici> Its a trigger for ubottu.
[11:48] <thetinyjesus> how do you go about doing that, never done it
[11:48] <KM0201> did you read it?
[11:48] <KM0201> llol
[11:48] <KM0201> it says exactly what to do to stay current
[11:48] <Pici> « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade »  will keep you upgrade to the latest version of Precise
[11:49] <thetinyjesus> i also do that, thats all !latest means? and are you saying i need to change my repositories to !latest?
[11:49] <Pici> No. I used !latest accidentally.
[11:49] <thetinyjesus> ohh okay
[11:49] <KM0201> i can't wait till release, then i can put 12.04 server on my NAS, and stop upgrading (10.04 didn't recognize my NIC)
[11:50] <Pici> I have a server here that I've been itching to upgrade too.
[11:50] <thetinyjesus> for some reason, no distro recognizes my nvidia laptop graphics card
[11:50] <thetinyjesus> it says "install additional drivers" and never actually gives me the 3d
[11:50] <KM0201> i'm a gamer on upgrading my desktops/laptops... i'm not as proficient with the server OS, so i usually wait till final on it.
[11:51] <thetinyjesus> anyone have clues on getting a nvidia 430m card working in linux properly
[11:51] <KM0201> thetinyjesus: there were some issues w/ that card a while ago as i recall, but thats going from memory
[11:52] <thetinyjesus> KM0201: yeah it works worse than my 6 year old laptop without a dedicated graphics card...
[11:52] <thetinyjesus> and this laptop has an i5 idk whats up
[11:52] <KM0201> obviously some sort of hardware issue.
[11:52] <thetinyjesus> i spent more on a laptop with a nvidia card because everyone told me ATI were the only ones not really supported =/
[11:53] <KM0201> i do kinda wish the server OS, broke away from sudo.
[11:53] <glosoli> rye: what if I open QT Styles Configuration dialog to set different fonts, would it help  ?
[11:54] <thetinyjesus> weirdest part is if you go to nvidia's site, they claim they have drivers for linux and the 430m card you would think they would work
[11:55] <thetinyjesus> but only list it works with fedora, redhat and opensuse
[12:09] <rye> glosoli: I don't know about this, sorry. Qt apps use Gtk engine to draw widgets when they are in Gnome, so if you select another theme (non-native one) and select different font it should work
[12:50] <wcchandler> i'm looking to fire up the network manager gui thing from an ssh session, what's the binary called or located?  Nothing looks familiar with running find -name 'network'
[12:57] <wcchandler> nm-connection-editor
[13:02] <psypher246> hello all, does anyone know if anything has changed in the openvpn package, I am unable to generate client certificates, keep getting error: failed to update database,TXT_DB error number 2
[13:02] <psypher246> suggestions online not helping
[13:11] <Ian_Corne> anyone running 12.04 server?
[13:27] <neure> hi
[13:28] <neure> in Files / Unity / Ubuntu 12.04 beta1, I can't scroll with mouse wheel
[13:28] <neure> should i be able to do that?
[13:30] <brendand> neure, i can scroll
[13:32] <neure> hmm
[13:36] <neure> reason found: running ubuntu in vbox
[13:51] <notify> any sign of startup notifications being fixed, or even discussed, for xubuntu 12.04 ? got the beta, fully updated it, still no busy cursor. and virtually no discussion of this anywhere ...
[14:09] <will> hey guys. if you click on an application with multiple windows on the launcher, does it raise all of them, or just the most recent one?
[14:09] <will> (most recently focussed one)
[14:22] <notify> will: try it and see. afaik this is a channel for discussion of upcoming releases
[14:24] <will> notify: i have tried it, and it raises all of them
[14:24] <will> i'm trying to see if anyone else is having that problem too
[14:24] <will> do you want to try it for me? :P
[14:25] <will> the official stance by design is that it should only raise the most focussed, but right now it seems to raise all of them. does it do that for you? i'm trying to work out if it's a common bug so i can report it
[14:26] <notify> will: you haven't said which variant you are using. i take it you mean vanilla ubuntu. i'm here to ask about issues in xubuntu ...
[14:27] <will> i'm using ubuntu 12.04. anyone running unity with 12.04 here willing to help me test this?
[14:28] <notify> that's better. vague is not very helpful. also might help if you said which app or apps were giving you unexpected results
[14:30] <will> notify: you could help me more if you let me knew what happens in the situation i described. thanks for the advice though :P
[14:31] <notify> will: i'm not running vanilla 12.04 with unity. or i would try it
[14:31] <roasted> hello!
[14:36] <notify> will: just so you know, gimp is notorious for not following regular wm hints and icccm stuff
[14:37] <will> notify: it's actually occuring with every application, as far as i can tell
[14:38] <will> the reason why i sounded so flustered just now is that i can find some pretty clear examples of john lea (on the design team) stating exactly what should happen but finding no bug reports relating to it
[14:38] <notify> will: you still have not said which app or apps is giving you trouble. there aren't that many multi-window apps around, so maybe people could just play 20 questions :)
[14:38] <will> i thought i was going a bit mad :P
[14:39] <notify> design team of WHAT ?
[14:39] <roasted> is .gvfs going to be permanently housed under .cache when 12.04 is released?
[14:39] <will> notify: by multi window, i literally mean any application that has more than one instance - that could explain why we were misunderstanding eachother
[14:39] <will> notify: unity design team
[14:40] <Hiob10hiob> hi, i think i have found a bug, can you guys help me to report it?
[14:40] <Hiob10hiob> i wanna start helping ubuntu
[14:40] <will> for example, when running unity, if you have 5 terminal windows and firefox is focussed, clicking on the terminal icon on the unity launcher should only bring the most recent terminal window to the forefront. instead, what it actually does is cloud your screen with every terminal window you have open
[14:41] <will> under xubuntu you don't have this problem due to each window having a seperate place on the task bar
[14:42] <notify> right
[14:43] <will> it's a surprisingly big usability problem which is why i was wondering if anyone else here had the problem
[14:44] <philinux> will: does this explain it. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/introduction-to-task-switching-in-ubuntu.html Also ask in here > http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=412
[14:45] <notify> will: are you sure that the terminals are seperate, and not children of a main terminal app ? ps axf to see
[14:45] <will> philinux: not hugely - check this out to see what should be happening: http://design.canonical.com/2012/03/task-switching-in-ubuntu-and-a-introduction-to-the-spread/#comment-27356
[14:47] <notify> will: what i think is happening for you, is that the main terminal app spawns sub-windows not seperate app windows
[14:47] <notify> this is completely normal
[14:47] <will> notify: i'm seeing multiple "bash"s that seem to be children of gnome-terminal
[14:47] <notify> exactly
[14:47] <notify> only one gnome-terminal tho
[14:48] <notify> problem solved
[14:48] <will> notify: unfortunately the same behaviour also occurs with gcalctool/calculator, and they're definitely not children of a parent calculator according to ps axf :(
[14:49] <will> philinux: are you having the same problem? this is the bug report i created: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/959339
[14:51] <philinux> will: I'm in 11.10 at the moment. i'll have a look later. Have you had a chat with the guys in the ubuntu+1 forum?
[14:51] <will> philinux: i've not yet, but thanks for the link. :) i tried here first as it's more immediate. i'll try my hand at composing a thread after a cup of tea
[14:55] <andreaxxx> hello! any workaround for bug #941989?
[14:57] <Guest88190> hey, I keep getting errors about ubuntu-desktop when i do an update
[14:58] <Guest88190> is there a known issue with the current update?
[14:59] <Guest88190> Your system does not contain a ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-desktop package and it was not possible to detect which version of Ubuntu you are running.
[14:59] <Guest88190> that's the error I get.
[14:59] <notify> Guest88190: and is that correct ?
[14:59] <Guest88190> No.
[15:00] <Guest88190> I am running gnome + gnome shell.
[15:01] <notify> dpkg --get-selections | grep desktop
[15:01] <Guest88190> did it.
[15:01] <Guest88190> ubuntu desktop is listed as installed
[15:02] <notify> ok sounds like a bug then :)
[15:02] <Guest88190> hah
[15:02] <Guest88190> I'm getting all sorts of goofy errors since I went to +1, but only AFTER I updated past the beta
[15:03] <Guest88190> how do I roll back to +1 beta 1 again?
[15:03] <Pici> You don't.
[15:03] <Guest88190> heha. okay then
[15:03] <notify> Guest88190: if you can't go forward or back, try a nightly build
[15:04] <neure> which fonts are used on ubuntu desktop ?
[15:04] <Guest88190> well, I wouldn't mind going back to 12.04 beta 1
[15:04] <Guest88190> neure, me?
[15:04] <Pici> The beta just represents the archives at a specific point in time .
[15:04] <Guest88190> well there are 7 updates being 'kept back' and I wouldn't mind resolving that as well.
[15:05] <Guest88190> but the ubuntu-desktop issue apparently is what is holding me back
[15:05] <notify> ditch ubuntu-desktop, do the upgrade, add it back in is one idea
[15:05] <philinux> Guest88190: have you tried dist-upgrade
[15:05] <Guest88190> I have not.
[15:06] <Guest88190> notify, that might be the trick.
[15:06] <Guest88190> that will be interesting, that's for sure.
[15:06] <philinux> Guest88190: try it but dont just hit Y see what it wants to do
[15:06] <Guest88190> yea, im looking. let me past it in, it's short
[15:07] <Guest88190> linux-headers-3.2.0-19 linux-headers-3.2.0-19-generic linux-image-3.2.0-19-generic - NEW
[15:07] <Guest88190> Upgraded : libunity-2d-private0 linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[15:07] <philinux> Guest88190: Wait i'm in my chroot brb
[15:08] <philinux> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade >  gives this which is a no no
[15:08] <philinux> The following packages will be REMOVED
[15:08] <philinux>   ubuntu-desktop unity-2d unity-2d-launcher unity-2d-panel unity-2d-places unity-2d-shell unity-2d-spread
[15:08] <philinux> The following packages will be upgraded:
[15:08] <philinux>   evince evince-common ghostscript ghostscript-cups ghostscript-x indicator-appmenu libevince3-3 libgs9 libgs9-common
[15:08] <philinux>   libmetacity-private0 libqt4-dbus libqt4-declarative libqt4-designer libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-script
[15:08] <philinux>   libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-sql-sqlite libqt4-svg libqt4-test libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns
[15:08] <philinux>   libqtcore4 libqtgui4 libunity-2d-private0 metacity metacity-common openssh-client qdbus ssh-askpass-gnome
[15:08] <philinux> 33 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 7 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:09] <philinux> Guest88190: I'll wait a few hours and try again
[15:09] <Guest88190> you're saying I should wait?
[15:09] <philinux> YES
[15:09] <Guest88190> what do you think the issue is ?
[15:09] <notify> andreaxxx: i know that .gtkrc* are deprecated these days with gtk3. could be your colour chooser is (mistakenly) creating them
[15:09] <neure> is there something like Gnome Tweak in 12.04 ?
[15:09] <neure> i dont know how to change my fonts
[15:09] <Guest88190> should be in the settings
[15:09] <philinux> The packages are in a flux. Simple not ready to upgrade yet
[15:09] <bazhang> !find gnome-tweak
[15:09] <Guest88190> I see.
[15:10] <Guest88190> odd that it's already being pushed for upgrade then?
[15:10] <neure> funny that it isnt installed by default :/
[15:10] <philinux> Guest88190: No packages are loaded but at times not all are complete. Welcome to testing ;0
[15:10] <Guest88190> haha yea. just figured it wouldn't be under the 'stable' tag
[15:11] <neure> and software center simply calls it "Advanced Settings"
[15:11] <Guest88190> I'm not using proposed or w/e
[15:11] <neure> can i somehow change the default orange color?
[15:11] <philinux> neure: That because peeps have borked there system messing with fonts
[15:11] <Guest88190> system settings should allow you to change all the colors and fonts.
[15:12] <philinux> Guest88190: You cant change fonts from system settings either as above or myunity I think
[15:12] <neure> well it doesnt have anything at all on fonts
[15:12] <neure> neither do i see a way to select myself the orange color
[15:13] <neure> i suppose that color is part of theme
[15:13] <philinux> neure: Type twaek in the dash >Advanced settings > Fonts
[15:13] <philinux> Tweak
[15:13] <will> Guest88190: i get partial upgrades offered all the time. if you just wait it usually solves itself
[15:13] <neure> philinux: i got it now but i had to install itr first
[15:13] <neure> is there anything that lets you edit themes?
[15:13] <notify> now you are all awake and lively, any movement on the missing-in-action xubuntu startup notifications ?
[15:14] <Guest88190> yea, i got a partial upgrade message when I tried with the update manager. In the CL though it doesn't mention anything about partial
[15:14] <will> Guest88190: are you using 12.04 with unity?
[15:14]  * Guest88190 wishes they'd go to gnome shell fully
[15:14] <will> ah i guess not :P
[15:14] <Guest88190> im on gnome shell
[15:14] <Guest88190> haha
[15:15] <will> i'm trying to corrall an unsuspecting victim into testing something for me
[15:15] <Guest88190> haha. yeaaa...uh, probably couldn't help you on this machine :)
[15:15] <will> worth a try. :P
[15:15] <philinux> Always keep an eye here guys >http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1943363
[15:16] <glosoli> will: what do you want to test ?
[15:16] <notify> andreaxxx: i know that .gtkrc* are deprecated these days with gtk3. could be your colour chooser is (mistakenly) creating them
[15:16] <will> glosoli: i'm wanting to see if window raising behaviour when clicking on launcher icons is raising all windows of an application or just the last, most recently focussed one
[15:17] <glosoli> will: the last one if multiple instances were used, how it works for me, or shows everyone if they all are at the same workspace
[15:17] <philinux> Never do a partial with update mangler
[15:18] <will> glosoli: you'll have to clarify... this is a single click, right? not with the spread
[15:18] <notify> update mangler. epic :)
[15:18] <glosoli> will: single click hmm
[15:18] <philinux> notify:  It only has this title during testing ;)
[15:19] <Guest88190> well when I use update mangler i get the partial update nonsense. Through CLI I just get kept back chatter
[15:19] <will> glosoli: a single click should only raise a single window of an application with multiple instances
[15:20] <philinux> I've just done a normal update upgrade in chroot and these are kept back which is normal. The following packages have been kept back:
[15:20] <philinux>   libunity-2d-private0 unity-2d-panel unity-2d-shell unity-2d-spread
[15:20] <glosoli> will: I like that it shows every windows of application :)
[15:20] <Guest88190> i had 7 held back
[15:20] <glosoli> will: but only on the current workspace it shows
[15:20] <will> glosoli: that's happening for you, right? it's happening for me too, but it's a bug
[15:20] <glosoli> will: I kinda like this bug :DD
[15:20] <will> glosoli: i'm not sure that hugely matters, though i'm glad you confirmed it for me :)
[15:21] <glosoli> will: np :)
[15:21] <will> glosoli: out of curiosity, why do you like it? i find it quite annoyin
[15:22] <notify> people with 5 terminal windows open deserve to have their desktop inundated, if you ask me
[15:22] <glosoli> will: dunno, just felt like so, although it doesn't matter for me :D Mostly using tabs in most apps. hmm one thign I get, Max Min Close buttons for maximized windows are not in right position and while doing Super+S if Unity Launcher is always shown, having that free pixels which are not used, so they could be cut somehow
[15:23] <notify> gnome-terminal even has tabs, for crying out loud
[15:23] <glosoli> yep :>
[15:23] <glosoli> And you can even set title for tab :>
[15:23] <will> notify: the scenario where it gets me is where i am programming with say, gedit. i have 3 or so firefox windows open behind the gedit window, but i'm only interested in having one of those firefox windows to refer back to (an article on the latest such and such with the whatsit)
[15:24] <will> i click on the firefox icon to bring up my article, but now i have to get rid of all the extra FF windows that are brought up with it
[15:25] <will> (replace firefox with any other program that you might want to refer back to - a calculator for example)
[15:27] <notify> will: yes that would be a total nightmare. but you could always use tabs in firefox, as an interim hack
[15:28] <will> notify: yeah, you're right on both counts. it doesn't work for something that doesn't support tabs, though
[15:28] <philinux> will: here's a workaround for you. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/unity-window-quicklists.html
[15:28] <will> (and tabs are a bit iffy anyway, as they're sort of a hack to deal with over crowded window task bars anyway)
[15:29] <will> philinux: i actually just found that before posting my bug report, but thanks. :) the main reason i asked here was because i couldn't find anyone but me and apparently alan bell who was finding this awkward)
[15:33] <gain_> hi all
[15:44] <roasted> hello!
[15:44] <roasted> Does anybody know if .gvfs will be located in .cache when 12.04 is officially released?
[15:53] <philinux> roasted: It's on it's own at the mo and we are past feature freeze
[15:55] <roasted> philinux: reason I ask is I previously would use rsync and --exclude=.gvfs, but I noticed in 12.04 its in .cache/gvfs. I just was curious if anybody knew so I could alter my script accordingly.
[15:55] <roasted> philinux: then again, I noticed the -x flag in the rsync man page, citing "do not cross file system boundaries." I'm going to test and see if -x would take care of the need for --exclude=.gvfs anyway, since it would cite do not cross file system boundaries and gvfs is a virtual file system...
[15:56] <roasted> but I'm not sure, and nobody else seem sto know definitively if -x does that exact thing. imagine that? :P
[15:56] <roasted> maybe our hero ActionParsnip would know?
[15:56] <philinux> roasted: Thats gvfs not .gvfs
[15:57] <roasted> philinux: .gvfs is what it is now, in /home/user. gvfs is simply within .cache now in 12.04.
[15:57] <roasted> still hidden, just 1 dir lower
[15:59] <philinux> I've got /home/user/.gvfs and /home/user/.cache/gvfs
[16:01] <ActionParsnip> sup
[16:02] <roasted> lost connection
[16:02] <roasted> I do not have .gvfs, just .cache/gvfs
[16:02] <notify> same here
[16:03] <roasted> if -x will negate the need to worry about exclude tags for .gvfs, I'd like to do that.
[16:03] <roasted> half day today, I'm heading home here in a few, so I'll get to test it out myself
[16:05] <Ian_Corne> it does what it says roasted
[16:06] <imark> anyone on precise got cinnamon working recently?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> cinammon isn't support here
[16:07] <roothorick> I'm getting the ubuntu-desktop error from update manager again. Do I just wait it out again?
[16:07] <ActionParsnip> roothorick: what's the error?
[16:08] <roothorick> I get two
[16:08] <roothorick> hold on, I'm upgrading partially from the terminal atm
[16:09] <ActionParsnip> roothorick: can you pastebin the text please
[16:09] <roothorick> hold on, will you? I have a partial upgrade running in a terminal
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> sure
[16:10] <ActionParsnip> i'm here about another 3 hours :D
[16:10] <imark> i know, just canvassing opinions from other precise users, i can get it to work on 11.10 but not on 12.04
[16:10] <philinux> ActionParsnip: From a chroot update && upgrade > The following packages have been kept back:
[16:10] <philinux>   libgnome-desktop-3-2 libunity-2d-private0 unity-2d-panel unity-2d-shell unity-2d-spread
[16:11] <philinux> dist-upgrade wants to remove ubuntu-desktop etc
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> philinux: you can remove ubuntu-desktop, it's a hollow metapackage
[16:11] <philinux> ActionParsnip: usual waiting game for the repos > The following packages will be REMOVED
[16:11] <philinux>   ubuntu-desktop unity-2d unity-2d-launcher unity-2d-panel unity-2d-places unity-2d-shell unity-2d-spread
[16:11] <ActionParsnip> philinux: are there bugs reported?
[16:12] <philinux> ActionParsnip: I've seen this before just normal for testing
[16:20] <topyli> just don't upgrade right now
[16:22] <will> ActionParsnip: you using unity? what do you think of this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/959339  :P
[16:22] <ActionParsnip> will: yeah unity here to test
[16:23] <ActionParsnip> will: freaky
[16:23] <topyli> heh, someone has a pet peeve today :)
[16:23] <will> topyli: you bet. :P it's annoyed me for a little while so today i decided to persue it. and i know ActionParsnip is geek enough to be interested :P
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> let me see..
[16:25] <ActionParsnip> can't say I've used multiple windows of the same app. I use tabs
[16:26] <will> ActionParsnip: must be just me then. what about things like the calculator?
[16:26] <topyli> in gnome-shell, the last active window is focused
[16:27] <topyli> shell users aren't really supposed to minimize windows, so that's (at least theoretically) not a problem
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> will: duckduckgo does taht, there is also a Unity thing for that :)
[16:28] <notify> i think he left
[16:29] <will> whoops. crashed my computer. back now
[16:29] <topyli> if i *do* minimize a few terminals, the last active is restored
[16:29] <will> does anyone get a corrupted screen full of old video memory when logging into ubuntu 12.04 using unity greeter/lightdm?
[16:29] <topyli> but this is shell, i'm just comparing for reference :)
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> topyli: does it happen as a fresh user?
[16:30] <topyli> how fresh do you want? it's a clean precise installation, installed at around alpha2
[16:31] <ActionParsnip> topyli: ahh i see, should be ok then. wortha try just for kicks
[16:31] <notify> ActionParsnip: you seem to know which side is up, so i was just wondering about missing startup notifications on xubuntu 12.04. heard any talk ?
[16:32] <topyli> ActionParsnip: shell and unity window management are in no way connected though. i'm just reporting how it's designed on the other side :)
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> notify: how do you mean 'which side is up'?
[16:36] <ActionParsnip> topyli: gotcha
[16:46] <notify> ActionParsnip: it means you know or appear to know what you are talking about. british idiomatic phrase
[16:49] <philinux> ActionParsnip: kaziweb is #ubuntu needs a kick
[16:50] <philinux> He left anyway
[16:51] <ActionParsnip> I'm not an op
[16:51] <philinux> ActionParsnip: who is there. I can take ops in a couple of channels but not that one
[16:58] <Pici> philinux: drop in #ubuntu-ops next time to report something like that.
[17:09] <ljt> is there any reason why 12.04 beta 1 alternate iso is missing the /casper directory? It means I can't easily boot it loopback from my usb key :(
[17:12] <MechanisM> hello my unity launcher not showing up when I select autohide or dodge active window
[17:13] <MechanisM> I don't like that unity launcher always using so much space on left
[17:13] <MechanisM> I need full size of my screen
[17:13] <MechanisM> autohide not working
[17:14] <ljt> press windows key?
[17:14] <MechanisM> even if icons size is 32px - I'm still don't like permanent unity.
[17:14] <MechanisM> I wanted like earlier
[17:14] <MechanisM> move mouse on right and it appears
[17:14] <MechanisM> on left*
[17:16] <MechanisM> ljt windows key works but as I see in settings it's should appear when I move mouse on right
[17:16] <MechanisM> on left* =(
[17:16] <ljt> I can't remember how I set mine up, but mine autohides
[17:17] <ljt> to make it appear, I have to put my mouse arrow to the top left, then swipe down
[17:21] <ljt> MechanisM: any luck trying top left corner?
[17:21] <trism> MechanisM: did you set it to autohide in System Settings/Appearance/Behavior?
[17:22] <MechanisM> trism yep, ljt sometimes works both wariants
[17:22] <MechanisM> variants*
[17:23] <MechanisM> sometimes works but sometimes I need to move mouse on left again and back and again to get it working.. very laggy
[17:25] <MechanisM> btw if my cursor is close to left and I'm moving to edge - launcher doesn't appear, but when I move way right 500-700px and back to left edge then it okay.
[17:25] <trism> MechanisM: oh I see, it seems to have some sort of gravity now, I need to really whack it to make it pop up, hmm
[17:26] <MechanisM> If you're developer and have TeamViewer I can show you
[17:26] <MechanisM> trism^
[17:26] <trism> MechanisM: I am not a unity developer, so wouldn't help much, plus I think I see what you are talking about anyway
[17:27] <MechanisM> okay
[17:27] <trism> MechanisM: may be some setting in ccsm to tweak it a bit, I'll take a look
[17:27] <MechanisM> I mean unity launcher appears on;y if it was long distance between mouse start and left edge.
[17:28] <MechanisM> If i'm starting to move mouse from 100-300 px from left to left edge - unity launcher don't appears
[17:28] <philinux> You can change that with Myunity I think
[17:28] <philinux> Or ccsm
[17:28] <ljt> sounds like a new feature to prevent accidental menu opening
[17:28] <MechanisM> I tried myunity, ubuntu tweak and other things - no luck
[17:29] <trism> MechanisM: I don't think it is distance so much as speed of approach, kind of reminds me of the resistance when moving between monitors in a dual screen unity setup
[17:29] <MechanisM> I see some shadow appears in that time. but launcher don't appears
[17:30] <MechanisM> some blur or shadow on left
[17:30] <trism> MechanisM: yeah I see the same thing
[17:30] <MechanisM> so now you now what I mean
[17:30] <MechanisM> I hope you can expalin it to devs in better english than mine lol
[17:33] <MechanisM> btw ubntu xx.04 always released on 26 of april? or only this year?
[17:34] <MechanisM> my birthday on 26 of april. will be nice present from ubuntu lol.
[17:35] <philinux> MechanisM: I've got the launcher set to never hide ;)
[17:36] <MechanisM> how?
[17:36] <trism> MechanisM: found it, in ccsm go to unity/experimental and set launcher reveal pressure to a lower value
[17:36] <blair> in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apr/+bug/957727, James Page said "Looking at the upstream changelog this should not need a FFe as its bugfixes only."  What is a FFe?
[17:36] <MechanisM> I want like it was in ubuntu 11.10 just hide under active vindow but appear if i move mouse on left
[17:36] <trism> MechanisM: at 1 it pops right up immediately
[17:37] <MechanisM> ok, hold on
[17:37] <trism> MechanisM: seems to be set to 20 by default which makes it tougher, although if you drag you mouse to the edge, stop and then continue dragging a bit it seems to pop up even with the higher pressure
[17:38] <philinux> MechanisM: I think this will still work on 12.04 http://askubuntu.com/questions/37083/how-can-i-change-the-unity-launcher-delay
[17:38] <philinux> scroll down for 11.10 settings that should work with 12.04
[17:39] <philinux> ignore too much coffe
[17:39] <trism> it is there, just gotta scroll a bit lower to the 12.04 & Unity answer
[17:40] <MechanisM> ohh great now it's works like a charm
[17:40] <MechanisM> thanxx guys!!
[17:40] <philinux> trism: I didn't scroll far enough lol
[17:41] <philinux> It's all coming together nicely eh what
[17:44] <MechanisM> which browser you using? if chromium - did you noticed that chromium-daily ppa is not maintained anymore? last release in january version 18+ while today is march and version is 19+
[17:45] <MechanisM> I bet all chromium repos not maintained.
[17:53] <sandGorgon> anyone know how to configure Unity's alt-tab switcher to show all windows (and not just groups). I know that CCSM's static switcher allows that, but I'd rather do it in Unity itself.
[17:57] <ActionParsnip> sandGorgon: the alt-tab behavoiur is managed by compiz, so ccsm is where to configure it
[18:02] <MechanisM> also wanted to say if I'm in ubuntu and install xubuntu-desktop - I'm able to choose xubuntu session while login. but after this, when I login back to ubuntu(unity) I'm visually see conflicts in indicators on top right
[18:02] <MechanisM> like war of xfce indicators with unity ones
[18:02] <MechanisM> and always xfce wins. so I'm need to run unity --replace to fix it.
[18:03] <sandGorgon> ActionParsnip, I understand - what I meant was that I needed to use "Static Application Switcher" instead of the Unity plugin provided one to make this happen. I am gonna be responsible to deploy ubuntu 12.04 on a lot of machines (up from 10.04) and I really dont want to do the painful way of configuring CCSM using a million clicks. Any simple way of automating this ?
[18:03] <MechanisM> even after I removed all xfce installed apps and session etc - it's still appears =(
[18:08] <will> MechanisM: have you removed *all* of the xfce related stuff?
[18:15] <MechanisM> will yep
[18:28] <ActionParsnip> sandGorgon: could work out the CLI way, or make an image of the system with that setting and then use that as the installed thing
[19:35] <neyder_> hi there!
[19:35] <trism> neyder_: hello again, seems edubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-desktop so my guess is you have unity-greeter, the greeter-hide-users=true option should work in that case if you added it to the appropriate file
[19:36] <trism> neyder_: there is also a new option if you are up to date, greeter-show-manual-login=true which will just show the login button in addition to the users
[19:37] <trism> neyder_: can you pastebin your /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf file?
[19:37] <neyder_> yes!
[19:40] <neyder_> trism, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/891161/
[19:40] <neyder_> if i set greeter-hide-user=true it only shows gues session
[19:42] <neyder_> if it is no set, as users.conf doesn't work, hidden-users=[balblabal] shows all the users
[19:42] <trism> neyder_: oh I see what you mean, that's new
[19:42] <trism> neyder_: try including greeter-show-manual-login=true in addition to greeter-hide-users=true (about to test it myself)
[19:42] <neyder_> ok
[19:43] <trism> neyder_: yeah fixes it here
[19:43] <neyder_> it works to show a new item that says login
[19:44] <neyder_> (itś in spanish so, sorry if i can tell the right word)
[19:44] <trism> yes it says login in english here as well
[19:45] <neyder_> but im thinking, it's not a good solution, i'm a teacher and I have installed 50 +  edubuntu 12.04 worksations (i know it's in beta1) and to give all the user to pur prim_4to_a (or something like) isn a good idea
[19:46] <neyder_> as a user, i mean
[19:46] <trism> neyder_: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[19:46] <neyder_> is there a way to hide some users as i want in users.conf ?
[19:46] <neyder_> to hide " prim_3ro_a prim_3ro_b prim_4to_a prim_4to_b prim_5to_a prim_5to_b sec_4to_b sec_5to_b" users
[19:47] <trism> neyder_: I am not entirely sure how, since users.conf is ignored when using accountsservice, I will try to figure it out
[19:47] <neyder_> and show all the others
[19:47] <neyder_> ok ill put that line in lightdm.conf
[19:48] <neyder_> an here we go!
[19:48] <neyder_> nope it doesn work
[19:49] <bipolar> Does anyone know what documentation I should be using to set up preseeding for 12.04? I have a pxe install up and running for 11.04, but the option I am using there don't configure apt properly. I use apt-cacher-ng and the install ends up using gb.archive.ubuntu.org instead of my local server. Here is my 11.04 preseed file: http://pastebin.com/ha95GkEw
[19:49] <neyder_> bipolar will work very well 11.10
[19:50] <neyder_> i have used it and worked very good
[19:50] <bipolar> I'm following 12.04 to roll out for workstations.
[19:50] <trism> neyder_: hmm, bug 857651 doesn't give me much hope of getting this working with accountsservice...
[19:51] <bipolar> If there is some bug in the installer, I'd like to find it so it can be corrected before the LTS release.
[19:54] <neyder_> bipolar, my very pressed file http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/891178/
[19:54] <neyder_> wll part of it
[19:56]  * neyder_ has a very bad orthography ause he is spanish speaker :-P
[19:56] <bipolar> neyder_, no problem.
[19:56] <bipolar> neyder_, have you tried it with 12.04?
[19:57] <neyder_> i have installed many machines wiht 12.04
[19:58] <neyder_> i making an early deployement in my school, and i will no wait until stable release. (i know is so crazy)
[19:58] <neyder_> but i've not used a different port than :80
[19:59] <neyder_> it was an offline installation too
[20:00] <IWorld> Hello.
[20:00] <bazhang> HUD it is IWorld
[20:00] <IWorld> ok
[20:00] <IWorld> head up displayx
[20:00] <IWorld> -y
[20:00] <IWorld> sry
[20:00] <IWorld> -x
[20:00] <bazhang> I think you meant hud when you said hub
[20:01] <IWorld> yes
[20:01] <bazhang> ok
[20:01] <bazhang> !hud
[20:01] <bazhang> IWorld, ^
[20:01] <IWorld> Can I use in Ubuntu 12.04 with normal menues?
[20:02] <glosoli> IWorld: you mean application menus not global menu ?
[20:02] <bazhang> IWorld, normal meaning what?
[20:02] <IWorld> the menu bar in the top, I think global menues.
[20:02] <bipolar> neyder_, hmmm... maybe the ":" is breaking something now.
[20:03] <bipolar> neyder_, I'll try your file with my server and see what happens.
[20:05] <neyder_> trism, i 've read all the report, it a bad new for me, I have a lot of users that dont't will loggin until august
[20:09] <neyder_> bipolar, i have a trick, after installation i put in /etc/hosts "192.168.0.1 archive.ubuntu.com archive.canonical.com extras.ubuntu.com" on the workstations so i workaround that it will anonying me
[20:09] <neyder_> *annoying
[20:10] <neyder_> "192.168.0.1 gb.archive.ubuntu.com archive.canonical.com extras.ubuntu.com" if you can define something like that trought dhcp in your server, it will be more easy
[20:10] <bipolar> neyder_, oh... so your sources.list doesn't have your own mirror set after the install?
[20:11] <trism> neyder_: if it is possible to control the uids, as a workaround you could make those users uid less than 1000, then they won't show up, not sure there is much else you can do until the bug is fixed
[20:11] <neyder_> nope it has archive.ubuntu.com
[20:11] <bipolar> crap. that's what I'm trying to fix
[20:11] <FernandoMiguel> evening
[20:11] <neyder_> it's easy with /etc/hosts and apache havin virtual servers :-D
[20:11] <neyder_> FernandoMiguel, \o
[20:12] <neyder_> but if you can define it with dhcp you can help me much a lot (havin a local mirror with wifi hot spot for my laptops without changing sources.list)
[20:13] <neyder_> bipolar,
[20:14] <glosoli> FernandoMiguel: evening :)
[20:14]  * neyder_ is downloadig 3.1 GiB with apt-mirror to  update 12.04 workstations
[20:15] <FernandoMiguel> $ sudo ionice -c3 zsync -i /boot/precise-desktop-amd64.iso -o precise-desktop-amd64.iso http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/precise-desktop-amd64.iso
[20:15] <FernandoMiguel> #################### 100.0% 713.7 kBps DONE
[20:15] <FernandoMiguel> Bad line - not a zsync file? "3퐐����������������������������3���"
[20:15] <FernandoMiguel> LOL
[20:19] <trism> FernandoMiguel: forget the .zsync extension in the url?
[20:20] <FernandoMiguel> yes
[20:20] <FernandoMiguel> fail
[20:20] <FernandoMiguel> that error could be more clear :) or I should learn to read
[20:21] <neyder_> see you soon, is time to lunch
[20:26] <glosoli> I am interested will kernel which Ubuntu using now adopt any features from Kernel 3.3 ?
[20:26] <glosoli> for Precise
[20:28] <almoxarife> does the xorg-edgers ppa now include kernel 3.3?
[20:29] <glosoli> I am interested in that too
[20:33] <tbruff13>  can anyone help me figure out what package Kubuntu power manager is so i can update a bug report
[20:41] <bipolar> ney
[20:41] <bipolar> I'll be damned... putting the hostname:port in quotes fixed it.
[20:43] <BrokenThumb> Hai everyone, can someone help me diagnose a network issue in precise? From time to time my connection seems flooded or something and goes to 0/0 up/down
[20:55] <Roasted_> hello!
[20:55] <Roasted_> I noticed gvfs changed locations in 12.04. Is this permanent?
[21:07]  * BrokenThumb doesn't know Roasted_ 
[21:17] <spacebug-> How nice. I made a bug report some time ago and now saw that mine was a duplicate of another bug and that is being worked on ;)    (now I just have to know how to change mine to duplicate)
[21:19] <log> spacebug-: Which bug?
[21:22] <BrokenThumb> spacebug-; indeed, which bug are we talking about?
[21:25] <FernandoMiguel> hey Roasted_!!!!
[21:26] <BrokenThumb> Hai everyone, can someone help me diagnose a network issue in precise? From time to time my connection seems flooded or something and goes to 0/0 up/down
[21:40] <Roasted_> hello!
[21:58] <thetinyjesus> will the beta of 12.04 upgrade to the RC or is it better to just reinstall the RC
[22:02] <BrokenThumb> thetinyjesus; the beta will upgrade to beta 2 and eventually will become the normal 12.04 release
[22:03] <will> thetinyjesus: it took me a minute to realise what was going on there
[22:05] <thetinyjesus> thank you
[22:09] <BrokenThumb> Hmm, too bad nobody has experience with troubleshooting internet on precise
[22:09] <BrokenThumb> ^_^
[22:09] <glosoli> Anyone knows if some parts of Kernel 3.3 will be included in Ubuntu Precise Kernel 3.2.x
[22:09] <glosoli>   ?
[22:09] <FernandoMiguel> no
[22:48] <ripper_> I have an issue with skype and X apparently
[22:48] <ripper_> when someone tries to send me video, it logs me out back to lightdm
[22:48] <FernandoMiguel> we all do
[22:49] <FernandoMiguel> it freezes my system a lot
[22:49] <ripper_> it doesnt do that to me
[22:49] <ripper_> hi fubsi
[22:49] <fubsi> re
[22:50] <fubsi> ripper_, just start skype like this and see wot log file says
[22:50] <ripper_> thats what im doing
[22:50] <ripper_> trying to find someone to send me video
[22:50] <fubsi> but as I say, 12.04 is beta
[22:50] <fubsi> ripper_, so wot does it give?
[22:52] <fubsi> ripper_, if u have the log text, paste it here: http://www.heypasteit.com/
[22:54] <fubsi> ripper_, i still have 5 min ... need to go then
[22:55] <trippeh> Hmm, keep losing window decorations in unity.
[22:57] <fubsi> ... okay, i need to go ... sry, hope u get it running, ripper_
[23:00] <BlakJak> righto here's a Q.. Xubuntu.. anyone know if the behavior of the panel/toolbar when fully occupied with apps can be modified?
[23:03] <snadge> yes.. substituting xfce for unity modifies that behaviour
[23:03] <BlakJak> har har.
[23:04] <snadge> i dont wanna go to work :(
[23:05] <BlakJak> i've been at work for 3 hours already
[23:09] <snadge> i use unity at work ;)
[23:09] <snadge> i tried xfce4 once.. and had to stop the uncontrollable urge to vomit
[23:09] <snadge> its like a poverty stricken version of gnome 2
[23:10] <snadge> perhaps i should try it for more than 2 minutes.. to be fair
[23:10] <BlakJak> fair point :p
[23:10] <BlakJak> I moved from gnome2 to xfce4
[23:10] <BlakJak> (ubuntu 10.10 to xubunut 12.04b1)
[23:11] <snadge> id use gnome-shell before i used xfce.. followed by gnome-shell in fallback mode ;)
[23:11] <BlakJak> trying to avoid Unity. Seems to be working
[23:11]  * BrokenThumb moved from gnome2 > unity> gnome3
[23:11] <BrokenThumb> Yes, gnome-shell you nitpicks ;-)
[23:12] <snadge> i clung onto gnome 2 for dear life.. tried gnome 3 for a few days.. hated it.. tried unity for a few days.. also hated it.. continue to use unity, its grown on me
[23:12] <BlakJak> yeah... but xfce is actually pretty good
[23:12] <BlakJak> i don't need too much bling, i just want function.. i'm here to run my apps, not my desktop
[23:12] <snadge> ironically thats what i like about unity
[23:13] <snadge> my launcher auto hides.. so i just see my apps and a narrow panel at the top
[23:13] <BlakJak> yeah... so does the xfce dock
[23:13] <snadge> task switchers are so 1995
[23:14] <Patrickdk> hmm? who is using deskview?
[23:15] <Patrickdk> oh wait, all the iphone/ipads do that :)
[23:26] <ripper_> http://nopaste.info/3095eca611.html there is my logs i need help this is with skype crashing Xorg