[00:01] mkultra_: Thanks a lot ! :) [00:04] mkultra_: I need it for Precise - the source won't compile under Precise anymore :P - so your version of things will not work also... :'( [00:05] MCR1: just out of curiosity, why do you want Emerald so bad ? [00:07] I want glow, I want transparency, I want a good-looking Ubuntu and I want my 6 buttons to shade/unshade sticky/unsticky rollup/down back on Precise like I had all my Linux versions before... [00:07] aah :) [00:08] gtk-window-decorator is not only ugly, but also lacks functionality big-time ! [00:09] it is a really big regression (one of many I am experiencing at the moment) :P [00:11] MCR1: well that's what you think :) [00:11] MCR1: imho, emerald was the most hated thing for me ;D [00:11] I like minimalism [00:11] glosoli: no that's all facts... [00:11] it depends on person needs [00:12] In my point of view Mark is doing things in the way I like [00:12] :) [00:12] He wants to make Ubuntu Idiot-Proof operating system ;D [00:12] I cannot get what I need from gtk-win-decorator then (if you like to formulate it that way) ;) [00:14] taking away options from the user is not the Linux way and should not be - it should be about freedom of choice... [00:19] glosoli: when you make a system idiot proof, somone will invent a better idiot. [00:20] haz3lnut: well yes, but I see it as the only way going if you want to gain giant numbers of new users :) [00:23] idiot-proof should not mean "just for idiots" imho ;) [00:24] glosoli, MCR1 as long as I can still double click titlebar and make my window gently and smoothly roll up or down, I'm good with unity. [00:25] haz3lnut: how do you make it sticky or shade then ? [00:25] neither gnome shell nor kde 4.8 have that functionality. [00:25] MCR1: it doesn't mean that way :) [00:26] MCR1, sticky? [00:26] on the top he means ? [00:26] I do not care what others have - I want the new Unity with all options I had in 11.10 [00:26] sticky = on all desktops [00:26] lol [00:27] you can [00:27] a chat window or movie player or radio controls for example [00:27] right click [00:27] "Always On Visible WorkSpace" [00:27] does that :) [00:27] I want it on all workspaces [00:27] Also I want an option to make a window stay on top of others [00:28] and I want buttons for that on my titlebar, which is glowing and transparent, has a nice font and an icon on it ;) [00:29] not that gtk last century stuff [00:31] MCR1: my connection died [00:31] if you written smth you may want to repaste it === glosoli_ is now known as glosoli [00:32] LOL - and I just tried the "always on visible workspace" option (whatever this should mean ?) and it does not even work, but shows some other windows on the other workspaces then - total chaos :P [00:33] MCR1, it works ok for me. [00:34] I enabled it for Pidgin - switch the workspace and have chromium on the other one... [00:34] * glosoli works here too. [00:34] when I enable such an option pidgin should be on all workspaces at the same time while the other windows should be untouched [00:34] !bung MCR1 [00:34] Are you sure you activated it for the right window? [00:34] !bug MCR1 [00:35] hmm ;D [00:35] wrong command again :/ [00:35] !bug [00:35] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [00:35] ? [00:35] yes, just checked again [00:35] !bug Daekdroom [00:35] hmm [00:35] !bug | glosoli [00:35] glosoli: please see above [00:35] It's smart like that. But you have to use a | [00:36] Daekdroom: aaa forgot then :) [00:36] that'' [00:36] 02:36 feeling tired [00:36] does definitely not work here [00:37] always on top works at least :) [00:37] are you on Main Mirror [00:37] ? [00:37] It's working ok for me, really [00:38] Same here [00:38] He left [00:39] hehe, funny - move to another workspace made the Pidgin chatwindow disappear completely [00:40] It's in the limbo. [00:41] I have to admit that my compizconfig is highly individualized and I am using gnome3-ppa, so I do not know if I can easily blame Ubuntu ;) [00:41] You can blame yourself [00:41] easily :D [00:44] * MCR1 is blaming himself for wanting to have the same functionality like in 11.10 in 12.04 as well:P [00:45] well as I said it works fo rme [00:45] works for Daek [00:45] So it's mainly because you having testing repos in testing os [00:45] :) [00:45] But that functionality didn't change. [00:45] Ok - managed to get toad fixed - somehow :P [00:45] thx for testing :) [00:46] But I broke Service manager. Bummer. [00:46] It's worth nothing, however, that until not long ago I often had trouble with compiz starting to mishandle windows. [00:46] Apparently fixed in 5.6 [00:50] with all the crash errors, what' [00:50] what's the likelihood that 12.04 will be released on time? [00:52] High. [00:52] It seems to me it's exactly like any other release. [00:52] Canonical is so strict with release schedule [00:52] :/ [00:53] Release on time, not when ready ;) [00:53] Usually its not too bad though [00:53] And the point releases are pretty good. [00:53] I'm not feeling too good about this. [00:53] haz3lnut: neither me [00:53] The whole purpose of the schedule is trying to get it ready when they want it to. [00:53] Can always skip the 12.4.0 ;) [00:54] i.e. FeatureFreeze, BetaFreeze etc are supposed to take care of that. [00:54] I'd be happier if they delayed 1 month to iron out bugs. [00:54] Is there any way to figure out which packages are blocking updates to other ones? [00:54] I've been presented with "partial upgrades" for about a week now. [00:54] haz3lnut: Wait for 12.4.1 then [00:55] About 30 packages are greyed out. [00:55] I'm doing an update now. We'll see if anything is better. [00:55] One would assume an LTS release would be rock solid. [00:55] Or just wait a month after release before installing it [00:55] Technically it's not a LTS release yet. [00:56] I know. [00:56] pangolin, do you know? [00:56] it's 3 months after release (until the .1 release) before upgrades to the last LTS are offered as prompted upgrades [00:56] but beta has so many crash/critical bugs, I don;t see how they get fixed in the next 30 days [00:57] I wish I was a more experienced programmer, I'd be mad at work helping out. [00:59] log, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should get those packages [01:00] pangolin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1859240 scares me, though. :P [01:00] I should check each individual packages that is recommended to be removed, right? [01:00] The following packages will be REMOVED: libgstfarsight0.10-0 libtelepathy-farsight0 python-farsight python-papyon telepathy-butterfly [01:00] log, there comes a time when testing a pre-release install that you need to just go for it. [01:01] log: are you doing a dist-upgrade? [01:01] Yes. [01:01] DO ET! [01:01] Because I'm sick of these grayed out packages and "partial upgrade" prompts. :P [01:01] right, telepathy-butterfly is no more, but if it's offering a partial upgrade, that's a bug [01:02] Well, partial upgrade = sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. [01:02] you are probably going to get linux-image-* packages and it will replace a few other packages [01:02] orly? [01:02] Yeah. [01:02] So I think it's trying to get me to remove obsolete packages. [01:02] hmm, what is held back? [01:02] What does it want to remove? [01:02] removal is fine on dist-upgrade [01:02] The following packages will be REMOVED: libgstfarsight0.10-0 libtelepathy-farsight0 python-farsight python-papyon telepathy-butterfly [01:02] Nothing is held back. [01:02] well, as long as it looks sane [01:02] Those seem fine to be removed. [01:02] Okay. [01:03] There were some renaming around telepathy. [01:03] *was [01:03] I'm assuming that, if they were dependencies, it would remove the main software as well. [01:03] So I'm not too worried. [01:03] and as long as it doesn't remove any actual program, for example, empathy... [01:03] I definitely didn't install those individually. [01:03] They're Empathy dependencies. [01:03] Okay, I'm going for it. :P [01:04] Wait, wait. [01:04] It says that there are a ton of new packages to be installed. [01:04] with any luck you will still be here in 5-10 minutes [01:04] That is expected too. [01:04] Including gnome-shell. I don't want gnome-shell. :( [01:04] log, hit enter and trust in me [01:04] You might try removing it afterwards to check what depends on it. [01:04] Ok. [01:05] Did you do it? [01:05] Doing it. [01:05] OMG I DON'T BELIEVE YOU DID IT [01:05] :P [01:05] :P [01:05] hehe [01:07] I SURVIVED! [01:07] Rebooting. [01:08] we'll see [01:09] He has to come back so I'll know what depends on gnome-shell. :| [01:10] install apt-rdepends [01:10] he survived [01:11] EVERYTHING'S BROKEN. [01:11] /s [01:11] Really? [01:11] welcome back log [01:12] pangolin: Oh hey. :P [01:12] Daekdroom: Nah, jokes. [01:12] ;DD [01:12] "The software on this computer is up to date" [01:12] ftw [01:13] First time I've seen that in a week. [01:13] This + hybrid graphics fix = week made. [01:13] I learned that Ubuntu was keeping my AMD card, rather than my Intel card, on all the time, so I found a fix to disable the AMD. [01:13] Daekdroom, http://paste.ubuntu.com/890093/ rdepends output for gnome-shell [01:13] And now my laptop lasts 5.5 hours rather than 1.5 hours. [01:13] It's wonderful. [01:14] log: Optimus ? [01:14] No, AMD Catalyst. [01:14] log: which card ? [01:14] Well, but I'm not using the Catalyst drivers. [01:14] 6630M. [01:14] It's a nice card, but I don't really need it in Ubuntu. [01:15] log: so you are switching to Intel integrated ? [01:15] Yes. [01:15] Discrete card is completely off now. [01:15] log: would you mind explaining me a bit more ? [01:16] log: I am not quite sure, but it seems like I have not Hybrid Graphics, but both Intel and ATI in my laptop [01:16] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1917897 <-- Instructions for disabling hybrid graphics/the discrete card in Ubuntu. [01:16] It's not my specific HP model, but it worked for me. [01:16] Oh damnit. [01:16] Hmm I am not sure if my ATI Mobility Radeon HD5730 1GB [01:16] I purged a PPA and apparently in order to do so, it'll break my system :( [01:16] is hybrid [01:16] glosoli: Are you able to switch between it and the Intel card in Windows? [01:16] (Using the AMD Catalyst Control Center?) [01:16] log: aaa, that's the answer, afaik no [01:17] See, mine lets me switch between the AMD GPU and the integrated Intel GPU. [01:17] One for gaming, one for power savings. [01:17] log: well I never tryed to get into AMD Catalyst in windows too much, I am now only Ubuntu [01:17] I hardly do gaming, so I opt for the power savings. :P [01:17] Yep, I would like my lappie to last at college more than 2 hours [01:18] glosoli: sudo cat /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch [01:18] What is the result? [01:18] no such file or dir [01:18] Hmm, okay. [01:18] I'm guessing you don't have switchable graphics, then. What's the model of your laptop? [01:18] Asus N61JA [01:18] * log looks. [01:19] log: processor i5-450M that one is not listed in Asus website as I see [01:19] glosoli: Yeah, no switchable graphics. :/ [01:20] log: ah okay, anyway buying new one this year :) [01:20] Nice, do you know which one yet? [01:20] well I will know after Ivy Bridge releases [01:20] Ah. That's been delayed a lot. [01:20] was thinking of getting MacBook Pro for Dual Booting with Ubuntu and OS X [01:21] Based on the past, there will be a large time gap between the Ivy Bridge release and Macs being equipped with IB. :P [01:21] that would make the best choice for me, as intend to be software developer :) [01:21] log: as I heard, in may [01:21] May" [01:21] For the Ivy Bridge release? [01:21] Or Macs with IB? [01:21] I'm looking forward to the asus zenbook ivy refresh, 1080p display down to 11,6" :-o [01:22] Drooooool [01:22] trippeh: Ooh, nice. [01:22] IPS too [01:22] Too small for me, though. :( [01:22] log: I am not sure, was reading that Apple is top priority for Intel now, as nVidia kepler was delayed [01:22] They do have a 13-something variant [01:22] Oh, okay. Still a bit small. [01:22] glosoli: Hmm, interesting. [01:22] I'm on a 1920x1200 17" 'laptop' now, heh :P [01:22] trippeh: yep, zenbooks look awesome [01:23] trippeh: I have a 14.5", and it seems like a good size for me. A bit disappointed by the 1366x768 resolution, though. :/ [01:23] log: for me macbook pro would be the best choice of ability to develop apps for ubuntu and os x :) [01:23] glosoli: Or a Hackintosh. ;P [01:23] log: I have 16" with that reso... pity Asus [01:23] log: Hackintosh doesn't work good enough with laptops [01:23] glosoli: Haha, that's painful for that size. [01:24] Yeah, I tried it in the past. Not so great. [01:24] log: I want to be completely compatible with both Ubuntu and OS X [01:24] Daekdroom: Any luck with your PPA issue? [01:24] log: Meanwhile if I wouldn't be a student And will be able to afford Personal Computer, hackintosh will work [01:24] I'm working on it. [01:24] Using synaptic to downgrade the packages, but if I do it in the wrong order, it'll try to remove the whole system. [01:25] Daekdroom: Have you tried ppa-purge? [01:25] It automatically downgrades stuff and removes the PPA. [01:25] Yes. It tried to break my system [01:25] Oh. :( [01:25] I don't like using PPAs for critical stuff. ;P [01:29] Daekdroom: Let me know what happens. :) [01:31] The only thing I still have to revert now is gnome-keyring dependencies. [01:31] I think I'ma try to add the ppa again, and purge it before doing the upgrade to it [01:31] can anyone help me with Kubuntu 12.04 and LTSP [01:31] I am having issues [01:32] I have been able to make LTSP work on the server [01:33] tbruff13: Maybe some people in #ltsp would have experience with 12.04 and LTSP...? [01:33] Just a suggestion. [01:33] (In case nobody responds here.) [01:33] with LTSP they would have, for sure. [01:33] 12.04? Maybe. [01:34] Daekdroom: Well, yes, the first part is a given. :P [01:34] now whenever I boot a client it loads the gtk startup stuff (which is fine) and when i log in i see the log in sign stuff for Kubuntu and then a black screen and a cursor and that is it [01:45] Aaaalmost fixed it. [01:45] Now I must try and reinstall gwibber. [01:45] and done. :D [01:45] hmm :D [01:46] <3 synaptic [01:48] synaptic is like old trusted guy [01:48] ;D [01:50] Daekdroom: You use Gwibber? [01:50] Yes. [01:50] Oh. [01:50] I was trying to get rid of Gwibber for a long time. [01:50] But what bothers me most about having it removed is that it's a recommended package for ubuntu-desktop. [01:50] And I don't like to remove any of them. [01:50] Then they removed it from the ubuntu-desktop dependencies. [01:50] So I was happy. [01:51] Oh. [01:51] Wait, it's still recommended? [01:51] Yes. [01:51] Just not a dependency [01:51] i.e. you can install ubuntu-desktop without it [01:51] Ah. [01:53] Good Night :) [01:56] my glx-dock's broke [01:56] wont show icon stacks on some stacks upon boot [02:05] mkultra_: Have you asked in #cairo-dock? [02:05] no [02:14] So anyone lost the crtl-alt-t=terminal? [02:52] Fyodorovna: yes, but only in gnome-shell. [02:55] Fyodorovna: yes, but only in gnome-shell. [03:06] Can anyone help me an application in Kubuntu 12.04 is trying to gain root access by running gksu I have gksu installed and the window pops up but when i enter the correct password it says it is incorrect [03:07] which application? [03:08] Remastersys [03:08] but i think i figured it out [03:08] i changed mode from sudo to su [03:09] nope it is still doing it [03:09] ill reboot and see if it fixes it === haz3lnut is now known as haz3lnut_zzz [05:14] Hello, I've find a very serious bug in 12.04. It actually has to do with losing focus when changing a wallpaper. This is how to reproduce: 1) Restart your system 2) Right click on desktop -> Change Desktop Backgeround [05:14] Background* [05:14] Then, select an image an notice that everything was OK. [05:14] (The image changed correctly) [05:15] Then, hit 'Windows Key' to open the dashboard [05:15] 4)Try selecting another wallpaper and notice that the focus of the window is being lost. [05:18] This is a file pointing out the bug : http://www.mediafire.com/?vdp11uph7vyyb5j [05:29] I filled a bug in gnome's bugzilla [05:29] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672375 [05:29] Gnome bug 672375 in gsettings "Gsettings causes loss of focus" [Major,Unconfirmed] [07:05] hello [09:05] Trying to figure out how to turn off Firewall in Ubuntu , to see if that is the problem.. [09:07] WilsonBradley: have you configured firewall? [09:09] Dont know how [09:09] WilsonBradley: then you most likely have none [09:09] Something is not going through and wondering if the Ubuntu firewall was blocking it [09:09] technically there is a firewall, but by default it doesn't block anything [09:09] Some app/package install might have enabled it [09:10] can't imagine what that could be [09:10] but you can see your iptables rules by "sudo iptables -L" in the commandline [09:11] i don't think we'd allow an app to fiddle with your firewall without you knowing [09:11] topyli: indeed [09:13] Thank you for the heads up.. and the command line [09:13] For some reason my torrents arn't going through via Deluge [09:14] don't torrents clients wiggle their way through pretty much any firewall anyway? [09:16] Humm, in Deluge under network , when I click Test Port- it shows a Red ! [09:17] I also have UPnP enabled in Deluge and Router [09:18] I play HoN and while playing there is a shortcut to use an item, it's a fullscreen game, and the shortcut is alt-q when i press alt, hud pops up, forcing the fullscreen application into windowed, then when hud closes, my application is left in windowed mode, how do I disable HUD in fullscreen applications? [09:20] DropsOfSerenity, HUD should only be summoned by a tap. If you're holding ALT down and it's appearing then I'm not sure what's up - the behaviour for me is as I described [09:20] DropsOfSerenity, maybe you're not really doing Alt+Q? [09:20] rather Alt,Q [09:21] brendand, sometimes I need to tap alt, anything, and yeah I am, all the shortcuts are assigned to alt-q alt-w alt-e etc. I use them all the time when hud is disabled or when on windows, also alt-click pings the map, which is something i cannot do also when hud is enabled. [09:22] any shortcut in game requiring the alt key I cannot do when it's enabled, as it brings up hud [09:22] brendand, this behavior is different, say in xchat or irssi, pressing alt-1 alt-2 changes tabs/windows and doesn't bring up hud [09:23] same with firefox or any windowed application, it only seems to happen in fullscreen apps. [09:24] is HoN free? maybe i can try.. [09:24] indeed, but it's a large download [09:24] let me see if I can find a smaller app that has the same problem [09:29] Trying to use Deluge . I have UpnP enabled on Router and Deluge, but still getting a Red! when clicking-check Port.. Is this normal behavior in Deluge? [09:34] WilsonBradley: you could try setting the port manually [09:34] brendand, I suppose the better solution for me at least, would be to find a way to disable HUD while preserving alt-tab [09:34] once the HUD keystroke is disabled, i cannot use alt-tab [09:34] setting it back to alt again, re-enables alt-tab as well [09:34] DropsOfSerenity: yeah, theres a bug filed for that [09:35] ironhalik , Maually in Deluge? I did that [09:35] WilsonBradley: manually in your router [09:36] ironhalik, do you have the link/ bug number? [09:38] DropsOfSerenity, I don't even know what HoN stands for? I'll try and download it (don't worry, i've plenty of bandwidth) and see what happens. Just need to know what to search for :) [09:38] bug #945816 [09:38] Launchpad bug 945816 in compiz (Ubuntu) "[regression] Changing the HUD shortcut disables all Alt-based combinations. And changing the Dash shortcut disables all Super-based shortcuts." [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/945816 [09:39] brendand, Heroes of Newerth, but it's ok, don't worry about it, it's kind of a specific maneuveur you have to do, I think I will just submit a bug report. [09:41] ironhalik, hmm looks like fix committed, thank you. [09:42] Ironhalik, yes. I did manual in both [11:22] Anyone had success installing QuickTime plugin for Chromium/Chrome ? [11:24] haven't tried, i didn't know chrome had a quicktime plugin for linux [11:25] I am not sure if it has [11:25] It is said that Chrome can use plugins from firefox dir [11:26] well, i dunno about that [11:26] i know some it can (flash) [11:26] not sure about QT though [11:26] curious what video are you trying to watch? [11:26] i'll check it see if it works for e [11:26] *me [11:26] as long as its not personal or porn [11:26] Willing to watch Apple's conference on how they will spend on that billions [11:26] ;D [11:27] lol [11:27] well, not all of it, but send me a link [11:27] i'm just upgrading my server right now, so i have time [11:27] http://goo.gl/2jQha [11:30] hmm, no joy here either [11:31] KM0201: was I PM'ing you are some other guy ? :D [11:31] I am not sure now ;D [11:31] just woke up [11:31] no, it was me..lol [11:31] doh :DD such a shame [11:31] hmm, not really sure on that one [11:34] KM0201: it was said that Medibuntu repo can help with w64codecs hmm didin't ;D [11:34] i;ve not used medibuntu in years [11:34] me too ;D [11:34] just use ubuntu-restricted-extras [11:34] After installing ubuntu restricted extras [11:34] my fonts in skype [11:34] became bold [11:34] :DD [11:35] i had a weird issue the other day, i installed vbox-ose, and it uninstalled skype as a conflicting package., [11:36] It's a pity skype devs give not feedback about skypes future [11:37] glosoli: bug #744812 [11:37] Launchpad bug 744812 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu Precise) "FontConfig/Qt stack choke on Ubuntu Medium font meta-data (No medium in Inkscape and too bold in Qt apps)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/744812 [11:37] just fwif [11:37] fwiw [11:38] what's fwiw ? [11:39] glosoli: for whoever is wondering [11:39] or for what it is worth (i remember seeing this interpretation too) [11:39] rye: do you have proper font config at the moment ? [11:40] glosoli: no, i use the default; you can check whether it is only skype by e.g. running keepasx - another qt app [11:40] rye: http://www.part.lt/img/43716c2ff242beec69fe4889e6d3ffa2452.png is this how default should look like ? [11:40] but it is not skype only, removing medium ubuntu font will un-bold the applications, as was the workaround for previous releases [11:41] glosoli: yes, that's how it looks, why? [11:41]