/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/03/19/#ubuntu-community-team.txt

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dholbachgood morning07:53
dholbachI'm going to walk over to my old office - see you in a bit08:25
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cjohnstonmornin10:08
AlanBellOMG isn't feeling the juju love at the moment10:51
nigelbouch10:53
czajkowskiAlanBell: oh getting a 503 here10:53
nigelbI think the load balancer is failing. I could be wrong.10:55
marcoceppiAlanBell: Not a juju problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/87789411:55
ubot2`Launchpad bug 877894 in psmisc "fuser forks and never reaps its children (dup-of: 876387)" [High,Confirmed]11:55
ubot2`Launchpad bug 876387 in psmisc "fuser forking uncontrollably in cron job" [Undecided,Confirmed]11:55
nigelbouch11:56
AlanBellinteresting11:58
AlanBellwordpress + apache on 11.10 is known to be faily11:59
popey+112:00
popeywell, on 10.04 too12:00
marcoceppiI haven't had problems with WP (upstream) on any ubuntu servers. The archive version is just a bit...weird. I can see it's use case but it's seldom used for what it's intended use is.12:02
AlanBellI think it is a different problem we have seen with wordpress, it used masses of disk IO or something12:03
cprofittfaily?12:03
czajkowskiit fails12:03
AlanBelldon't think I would use the archive wordpress12:03
czajkowskifaily12:03
cprofittnice word AlanBell12:03
cprofittI like it!12:04
popeyI have had wordpress + mysql + apache on 10.04 consume vast amounts of RAM, and the Linux OOM-killer kicks in and kills everything critical like mysql12:04
marcoceppiwouldn't be surprised if it was the above bug. 16GB of ram on these containers and I was getting memory warnings in shell trying to run uptime.12:05
nigelbpopey: bbah.12:09
nigelbwhat's consuming ram, apache or mysql?12:09
nigelb(any idea?)12:09
cjohnstonjcastro: ping12:10
popeynigelb: apache12:10
popeybut that could be php12:10
nigelbyeah. Hrm.12:11
nigelbthat most probably would be PHP.12:12
cprofittI strongly disllke memory leaks... they are not fun to trace down12:12
popeyi switched to lighttpd12:12
popeyno more OOM errors12:12
nigelbNice.12:12
popeynot really12:12
cprofitt+112:12
popeyi dont know exactly what the issue is12:12
nigelbbut, well, something with mod-php now.12:13
* popey shrugs12:13
nigelbI remember we had random OOM from harvest a few months back.12:14
nigelbDrove, dholbach, cjohnston, mhall119, and me crazy for a few weeks.12:14
nigelbThere was nothing wrong with code :/12:14
cjohnstonspiders12:15
cjohnstoniirc yahoo12:15
nigelbyeah, but spiders don't usually bring a website down.12:15
cprofitthas anyone ever used cacti to graph the memory consumption on these?12:17
s-foxHello.12:18
cprofittit would be interesting to see if it was a gradual memory climb to OOM or a spike12:18
nigelbcprofitt: Not cacti, but something else which graphs it. IIRC IS did something.12:18
nigelbAnd yes, it was a huge spike.12:18
nigelbs-fox: Hi!12:18
s-foxHello nigelb12:18
s-foxHow are you?12:18
cprofittmakes it sound  like a specific process over a slow memory leak12:19
nigelbGood. You? Good weekend?12:19
nigelbcprofitt: Yeah. It was the spidering that did us in then. Not sure how or why though.12:19
nigelbWe did the hacky thing of blocking spiders.12:19
* cprofitt nods12:19
s-foxnigelb,  Busy, glad it is monday12:19
marcoceppipopey nigelb it's a problem with the libapache2-mod-php5 package12:26
marcoceppiit has a cron that, doesn't quite worok12:26
marcoceppiwork, even.12:26
popeymarcoceppi: how so?12:33
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cjohnstonanyone know what wiki page talks about creating blueprints for UDS?13:27
cjohnstonmy searches are coming up blank13:27
cprofittI did not know a wiki page existed for that13:28
cprofittI just copied what I saw in others last cycle13:28
cprofittcjohnston: found one for Linaro13:29
cprofitthttps://wiki.linaro.org/Process/Blueprints13:29
cjohnstonya.. lookin for the UDS one13:30
cjohnstondifferent tracks13:30
cprofitthttp://summit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/scheduling.html13:30
cprofittthat one help?13:30
head_victimhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Scheduling ?13:30
jcastrocjohnston, pong13:31
cjohnstonjcastro: RT replied about the mailing list13:31
cjohnstonjcastro: as long as we can completly control who is on the list, I'm fine with it13:35
jcastroawesome13:35
jcastrolet's do it?13:35
jcastrocjohnston, I'm more worried about summit for LF today13:35
jcastrowhat's up with that?13:35
cjohnstonyour fine with it being lists.ubuntu.com?13:35
cjohnstonwaiting on m_313:35
jcastrosure13:45
jcastrohey, have we picked crew yet for UDS?13:46
cjohnstonno.. do you have a list of who is willing?13:46
jcastroI am not sure13:47
cjohnstonlol13:48
cjohnstonThat would help13:48
cjohnstonI don't have that access13:49
technovikingany reason empathy update not coming though in precise?14:49
dholbachtechnoviking, do you 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade'?14:50
technovikingdist-upgrade, keeps wanting to remove stuff, been over a week14:50
dholbachwhat does it want to remove?14:50
dholbachtechnoviking, ^14:51
technovikingwill remove empathy and ubuntu-desktop if I diet-upgrade14:52
s9iper1technoviking:what happen ? when have you last updated?14:52
technovikingThursday, and this morning, have had the empathy problem for about a week though14:53
dholbachoh that's weird14:53
dholbachcan you paste the output of apt-get somewhere?14:53
technovikingi'm using the unity ppa14:53
s9iper1technoviking: can you confirm your version ?14:55
technovikingunity?14:55
s9iper1no empathy version14:55
technovikinghttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/890748/14:58
technovikingEmpathy 3.3.514:58
dholbachtechnoviking, what happens if you just want to install libtelepathy-farstream2?15:02
dholbachtechnoviking, to me it looks like ubuntu-desktop will be removed because of unity2d15:03
dholbachso unrelated to the telepathy stuff15:03
technovikingmay work http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/890761/15:04
jcastromhall119, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport15:04
dholbachtechnoviking, yes, that's fine15:05
mhall119jcastro: ugh, this is going to be an Launchpad task then isn't it?15:06
jcastroyeah15:06
jcastroI don't think anyone's working on it either15:06
dholbachtechnoviking, it's the farsight update, and telepathy-butterfly is not necessary - you can do MSN via telepathy-haze15:07
jcastrobut hey, at least we don't have to worry about graphs for the next 2 weeks!15:07
jcastrodholbach, high five!15:07
dholbachwhere is the bong?15:07
* dholbach hugs jcastro15:07
technovikingaaahh thanks dholbach15:07
dholbachbtw - did you see https://plus.google.com/109795858099658821877/posts/DrSHhThorBV?15:07
dholbachI HAVE to see it again15:07
jcastrodholbach, hah, that's old15:08
technovikingjcastro: test forums looks fine except for lp login, working on mobile theme15:08
dholbachI saw it last night for the first time15:08
jcastroI like how you retweeted it with the @ubuntudevelopers account too, nice!15:08
dholbachI nearly wet my pants - it's SO funny15:08
dholbachthat was an embarassing mistake15:08
dholbachI was still tired from the evening before - I helped Fam to tear down her set until midnight - I noticed I'm not used to that kind of work anymore :-P15:09
jcastrodholbach, http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/18/helium-party-balloons-squandered15:12
dholbachwow15:12
dholbach"In other words we wasted £90,000 because we couldn't get any helium. Yet we put the stuff into party balloons and let them float off into the upper atmosphere, or we use it to make our voices go squeaky for a laugh. It is very, very stupid. It makes me really angry."15:12
dholbachI guess that scientist wouldn't +1 the video then ;-)15:13
snap-lWE just need to find a star to suck the helium off of15:15
snap-land hope we're not too close when it goes nova. :)15:15
dholbachI'm sure Mark can do it as part of his next space flight15:16
mhall119snap-l: we have a handy star nearby that's literally dumping helium on us15:17
jcastrohey popey, pleia215:18
popeyyo?15:19
jcastrowrt to planet syndication15:19
jcastroin the past we (cloud.u.c) syndicate from non members15:19
snap-lmhall119: I'd rather not depleate the star next to us. That would be bad. ;)15:19
jcastroand had that auto going to planet15:19
jcastrowhich wasn't good15:19
jcastrohowever15:19
jcastroI just did one from a guy who is at Canonical but I don't think he's a member but I think is useful for the community15:19
jcastroit's an announcement for cloud day in Bangalore15:20
mhall119snap-l: it's being blown out of the sun into the solar system15:20
mhall119it won't miss it if we scoop up what's around us15:20
jcastrocan I, as a project member just say "you know what, this is useful for the community" and just post it?15:20
jcastroor will someone complain?15:20
popeyif you are a member you can put what you think is appropriate for p.u.c IMO15:20
jcastrook excellent so if the guy who loves removing stuff thinks its ok then woo15:21
popey15:21
* snap-l reminds himself he needs Ubuntu Membership15:21
snap-lmhall119: Quick! Put the helium back into the sun, or it'll esplode!15:22
snap-l;)15:22
mhall119uh, yeah, I'll leave that to you.  Too hot for my taste15:23
jonohey folks15:23
dholbachhey jono15:24
jonohey dholbach15:24
dholbachjono, suitcase packed?15:24
jonodholbach, not yet, about to start15:25
dholbachenjoy it :-)15:25
jonoit takes me about 5mins to pack :-)15:25
jonounlike a certain small woman I live with :-)15:25
jonothanks dholbach15:25
AlanBellone day you will arrive somewhere and discover you case contains nothing but a hotdog outfit15:26
snap-ljono: Going on the Severed Fifth world tour?15:26
jonoAlanBell, haha15:26
jonosnap-l, not quite, just a vacation :-)15:26
snap-ljono: You get those?15:26
jonosnap-l, well, I had no say in this one15:26
jonosnap-l, my father in law is taking the family away15:27
* jono is packing a router, laptop, and tablet though :-)15:27
snap-ljono: Psh... you always have a vote. You've just been outvoted. ;)15:27
jonosnap-l, of course I don't have a vote, you haven't met him :-)15:27
snap-ljono: Awesome. Where are you headed?15:27
jonobut I am not complaining :-)15:27
jonosnap-l, Italy15:27
jonowe have family over there15:28
snap-ljono: Ask for non-smoking. ;)15:28
jonohah15:28
snap-lSeriously, though, that's awesome. Friend of ours went there recently and had a blast.15:29
jonoyeah, I am looking forward to it, will be nice to have some time off15:29
snap-lAnd their mochas are awesome.15:29
jonobeen a while15:29
jono:-)15:29
czajkowskifood in italy +++15:29
czajkowskinyommy15:29
jonoso just wrapping up some things before I head15:29
czajkowskiholidays++15:29
snap-ljono: Got the mp3 player loaded up?15:30
jonosnap-l, pretty much, I am going to be packed with electronic gear15:30
jono:-)15:30
jonobrb15:30
snap-llaterness.15:30
dholbachjono, did you see the newest http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/1glance-sponsoring/? I'm sure you're more excited about the holidays, but I thought I'd show you anyway :-)15:31
snap-lhttp://spiralmountain.bandcamp.com/album/spiralmountain <- Pick this up if you have some room15:31
jonodholbach, wow!15:32
dholbachthought you might like it :)15:32
jonothat is wonderful!15:33
jonogreat work, dholbach! :-)15:33
dholbachthat wasn't not only my work - let's hope we keep the number down until you get back ;-)15:33
jonosounds good :-)15:33
mhall119jono: also before you leave: http://mhall119.com/2012/03/contributing-to-unity-for-artists-svg-icons/15:34
jonomhall119, I saw that, that looks great :-)15:34
jonolooks like everyone is firing on all cylinders :-)15:34
cjohnstonmornin jono15:39
jonohey cjohnston15:40
technovikingjcastro: ok forums upgrade ticket updated with current status.15:43
jcastronice!15:44
cprofittnice mhall119 -- I will point the few artsists I know at that.15:45
mhall119cprofitt: awesome, thanks!15:45
czajkowskitechnoviking: thank you15:46
s-foxThank you for the update technoviking :)15:50
jcastrotechnoviking, ok I panged stuart metcalfe, he did the SSO thing before.15:54
jcastropinged, or whatever the word is15:54
s-foxHey jcastro, did you have a good weekend?15:56
jcastroyeah, worked on OMG. :)15:56
s-foxOh, writing an article or something?15:56
mhall119s-fox: fixing it15:57
jcastroalmost done jujufying it15:59
jcastroactually marcoceppi did all the work.15:59
jcastrohe's just a ninja like that15:59
s-foxmhall119,  Didn't know it was broken, then again I don't tend to look at that site very often ;)15:59
cjohnstonbroken isnt the correct word I don't think15:59
s-foxPerhaps improving should have been used instead of fixing :)16:00
s-foxHow are you cjohnston , good weekend ?16:00
cjohnstonfixing is right.. broken isnt.. heh  whats beyond broken16:01
cjohnstonnot too bad.. you?16:01
bkerensajcastro: OMG is down again? =/16:01
bkerensa;p16:01
bkerensaoh nvm they are just lagging16:02
jcastrowe ran into a php bug16:02
jcastroand some setup issues16:02
jcastrobut imbrandon is on the case16:02
jcastroand he's working with marco to make the entire setup be not so 1990s16:02
bkerensa:D16:03
bkerensajcastro: is/he/someone going to change the dns so it doesnt show aws hostname?16:03
bkerensa:D16:03
jcastrothat was fixed a while back16:03
jcastroflush your cache16:04
jcastroit's caching16:04
jcastrotechnoviking, #Canonical-isd on freenode please, see stuartm16:11
jcastrohurry! he EODs soon!16:11
technovikingthere now16:17
technovikingsorry my boss need to see me for a few minutes16:18
dholbachalright, I'll walk back home again - see you later16:43
technovikingjcastro: I'm so close with SSO on vB4 I can taste it16:51
jcastroyeah baby!16:53
s-foxGoing running, goodbye17:56
jussijono disappeard already? :(20:34
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cjohnstonjussi: he's on vacation20:40
jussioh20:40

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