[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[08:25] <dholbach> I'm going to walk over to my old office - see you in a bit
[10:08] <cjohnston> mornin
[10:51] <AlanBell> OMG isn't feeling the juju love at the moment
[10:53] <nigelb> ouch
[10:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oh getting a 503 here
[10:55] <nigelb> I think the load balancer is failing. I could be wrong.
[11:55] <marcoceppi> AlanBell: Not a juju problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php5/+bug/877894
[11:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 877894 in psmisc "fuser forks and never reaps its children (dup-of: 876387)" [High,Confirmed]
[11:55] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 876387 in psmisc "fuser forking uncontrollably in cron job" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[11:56] <nigelb> ouch
[11:58] <AlanBell> interesting
[11:59] <AlanBell> wordpress + apache on 11.10 is known to be faily
[12:00] <popey> +1
[12:00] <popey> well, on 10.04 too
[12:02] <marcoceppi> I haven't had problems with WP (upstream) on any ubuntu servers. The archive version is just a bit...weird. I can see it's use case but it's seldom used for what it's intended use is.
[12:03] <AlanBell> I think it is a different problem we have seen with wordpress, it used masses of disk IO or something
[12:03] <cprofitt> faily?
[12:03] <czajkowski> it fails
[12:03] <AlanBell> don't think I would use the archive wordpress
[12:03] <czajkowski> faily
[12:03] <cprofitt> nice word AlanBell
[12:04] <cprofitt> I like it!
[12:04] <popey> I have had wordpress + mysql + apache on 10.04 consume vast amounts of RAM, and the Linux OOM-killer kicks in and kills everything critical like mysql
[12:05] <marcoceppi> wouldn't be surprised if it was the above bug. 16GB of ram on these containers and I was getting memory warnings in shell trying to run uptime.
[12:09] <nigelb> popey: bbah.
[12:09] <nigelb> what's consuming ram, apache or mysql?
[12:09] <nigelb> (any idea?)
[12:10] <cjohnston> jcastro: ping
[12:10] <popey> nigelb: apache
[12:10] <popey> but that could be php
[12:11] <nigelb> yeah. Hrm.
[12:12] <nigelb> that most probably would be PHP.
[12:12] <cprofitt> I strongly disllke memory leaks... they are not fun to trace down
[12:12] <popey> i switched to lighttpd
[12:12] <popey> no more OOM errors
[12:12] <nigelb> Nice.
[12:12] <popey> not really
[12:12] <cprofitt> +1
[12:12] <popey> i dont know exactly what the issue is
[12:13] <nigelb> but, well, something with mod-php now.
[12:13]  * popey shrugs
[12:14] <nigelb> I remember we had random OOM from harvest a few months back.
[12:14] <nigelb> Drove, dholbach, cjohnston, mhall119, and me crazy for a few weeks.
[12:14] <nigelb> There was nothing wrong with code :/
[12:15] <cjohnston> spiders
[12:15] <cjohnston> iirc yahoo
[12:15] <nigelb> yeah, but spiders don't usually bring a website down.
[12:17] <cprofitt> has anyone ever used cacti to graph the memory consumption on these?
[12:18] <s-fox> Hello.
[12:18] <cprofitt> it would be interesting to see if it was a gradual memory climb to OOM or a spike
[12:18] <nigelb> cprofitt: Not cacti, but something else which graphs it. IIRC IS did something.
[12:18] <nigelb> And yes, it was a huge spike.
[12:18] <nigelb> s-fox: Hi!
[12:18] <s-fox> Hello nigelb
[12:18] <s-fox> How are you?
[12:19] <cprofitt> makes it sound  like a specific process over a slow memory leak
[12:19] <nigelb> Good. You? Good weekend?
[12:19] <nigelb> cprofitt: Yeah. It was the spidering that did us in then. Not sure how or why though.
[12:19] <nigelb> We did the hacky thing of blocking spiders.
[12:19]  * cprofitt nods
[12:19] <s-fox> nigelb,  Busy, glad it is monday
[12:26] <marcoceppi> popey nigelb it's a problem with the libapache2-mod-php5 package
[12:26] <marcoceppi> it has a cron that, doesn't quite worok
[12:26] <marcoceppi> work, even.
[12:33] <popey> marcoceppi: how so?
[13:27] <cjohnston> anyone know what wiki page talks about creating blueprints for UDS?
[13:27] <cjohnston> my searches are coming up blank
[13:28] <cprofitt> I did not know a wiki page existed for that
[13:28] <cprofitt> I just copied what I saw in others last cycle
[13:29] <cprofitt> cjohnston: found one for Linaro
[13:29] <cprofitt> https://wiki.linaro.org/Process/Blueprints
[13:30] <cjohnston> ya.. lookin for the UDS one
[13:30] <cjohnston> different tracks
[13:30] <cprofitt> http://summit.readthedocs.org/en/latest/scheduling.html
[13:30] <cprofitt> that one help?
[13:30] <head_victim> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Scheduling ?
[13:31] <jcastro> cjohnston, pong
[13:31] <cjohnston> jcastro: RT replied about the mailing list
[13:35] <cjohnston> jcastro: as long as we can completly control who is on the list, I'm fine with it
[13:35] <jcastro> awesome
[13:35] <jcastro> let's do it?
[13:35] <jcastro> cjohnston, I'm more worried about summit for LF today
[13:35] <jcastro> what's up with that?
[13:35] <cjohnston> your fine with it being lists.ubuntu.com?
[13:35] <cjohnston> waiting on m_3
[13:45] <jcastro> sure
[13:46] <jcastro> hey, have we picked crew yet for UDS?
[13:46] <cjohnston> no.. do you have a list of who is willing?
[13:47] <jcastro> I am not sure
[13:48] <cjohnston> lol
[13:48] <cjohnston> That would help
[13:49] <cjohnston> I don't have that access
[14:49] <technoviking> any reason empathy update not coming though in precise?
[14:50] <dholbach> technoviking, do you 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade'?
[14:50] <technoviking> dist-upgrade, keeps wanting to remove stuff, been over a week
[14:50] <dholbach> what does it want to remove?
[14:51] <dholbach> technoviking, ^
[14:52] <technoviking> will remove empathy and ubuntu-desktop if I diet-upgrade
[14:52] <s9iper1> technoviking:what happen ? when have you last updated?
[14:53] <technoviking> Thursday, and this morning, have had the empathy problem for about a week though
[14:53] <dholbach> oh that's weird
[14:53] <dholbach> can you paste the output of apt-get somewhere?
[14:53] <technoviking> i'm using the unity ppa
[14:55] <s9iper1> technoviking: can you confirm your version ?
[14:55] <technoviking> unity?
[14:55] <s9iper1> no empathy version
[14:58] <technoviking> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/890748/
[14:58] <technoviking> Empathy 3.3.5
[15:02] <dholbach> technoviking, what happens if you just want to install libtelepathy-farstream2?
[15:03] <dholbach> technoviking, to me it looks like ubuntu-desktop will be removed because of unity2d
[15:03] <dholbach> so unrelated to the telepathy stuff
[15:04] <technoviking> may work http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/890761/
[15:04] <jcastro> mhall119, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport
[15:05] <dholbach> technoviking, yes, that's fine
[15:06] <mhall119> jcastro: ugh, this is going to be an Launchpad task then isn't it?
[15:06] <jcastro> yeah
[15:06] <jcastro> I don't think anyone's working on it either
[15:07] <dholbach> technoviking, it's the farsight update, and telepathy-butterfly is not necessary - you can do MSN via telepathy-haze
[15:07] <jcastro> but hey, at least we don't have to worry about graphs for the next 2 weeks!
[15:07] <jcastro> dholbach, high five!
[15:07] <dholbach> where is the bong?
[15:07]  * dholbach hugs jcastro
[15:07] <technoviking> aaahh thanks dholbach
[15:07] <dholbach> btw - did you see https://plus.google.com/109795858099658821877/posts/DrSHhThorBV?
[15:07] <dholbach> I HAVE to see it again
[15:08] <jcastro> dholbach, hah, that's old
[15:08] <technoviking> jcastro: test forums looks fine except for lp login, working on mobile theme
[15:08] <dholbach> I saw it last night for the first time
[15:08] <jcastro> I like how you retweeted it with the @ubuntudevelopers account too, nice!
[15:08] <dholbach> I nearly wet my pants - it's SO funny
[15:08] <dholbach> that was an embarassing mistake
[15:09] <dholbach> I was still tired from the evening before - I helped Fam to tear down her set until midnight - I noticed I'm not used to that kind of work anymore :-P
[15:12] <jcastro> dholbach, http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/mar/18/helium-party-balloons-squandered
[15:12] <dholbach> wow
[15:12] <dholbach> "In other words we wasted £90,000 because we couldn't get any helium. Yet we put the stuff into party balloons and let them float off into the upper atmosphere, or we use it to make our voices go squeaky for a laugh. It is very, very stupid. It makes me really angry."
[15:13] <dholbach> I guess that scientist wouldn't +1 the video then ;-)
[15:15] <snap-l> WE just need to find a star to suck the helium off of
[15:15] <snap-l> and hope we're not too close when it goes nova. :)
[15:16] <dholbach> I'm sure Mark can do it as part of his next space flight
[15:17] <mhall119> snap-l: we have a handy star nearby that's literally dumping helium on us
[15:18] <jcastro> hey popey, pleia2
[15:19] <popey> yo?
[15:19] <jcastro> wrt to planet syndication
[15:19] <jcastro> in the past we (cloud.u.c) syndicate from non members
[15:19] <snap-l> mhall119: I'd rather not depleate the star next to us. That would be bad. ;)
[15:19] <jcastro> and had that auto going to planet
[15:19] <jcastro> which wasn't good
[15:19] <jcastro> however
[15:19] <jcastro> I just did one from a guy who is at Canonical but I don't think he's a member but I think is useful for the community
[15:20] <jcastro> it's an announcement for cloud day in Bangalore
[15:20] <mhall119> snap-l: it's being blown out of the sun into the solar system
[15:20] <mhall119> it won't miss it if we scoop up what's around us
[15:20] <jcastro> can I, as a project member just say "you know what, this is useful for the community" and just post it?
[15:20] <jcastro> or will someone complain?
[15:20] <popey> if you are a member you can put what you think is appropriate for p.u.c IMO
[15:21] <jcastro> ok excellent so if the guy who loves removing stuff thinks its ok then woo
[15:21] <popey> ☺
[15:21]  * snap-l reminds himself he needs Ubuntu Membership
[15:22] <snap-l> mhall119: Quick! Put the helium back into the sun, or it'll esplode!
[15:22] <snap-l> ;)
[15:23] <mhall119> uh, yeah, I'll leave that to you.  Too hot for my taste
[15:23] <jono> hey folks
[15:24] <dholbach> hey jono
[15:24] <jono> hey dholbach
[15:24] <dholbach> jono, suitcase packed?
[15:25] <jono> dholbach, not yet, about to start
[15:25] <dholbach> enjoy it :-)
[15:25] <jono> it takes me about 5mins to pack :-)
[15:25] <jono> unlike a certain small woman I live with :-)
[15:25] <jono> thanks dholbach
[15:26] <AlanBell> one day you will arrive somewhere and discover you case contains nothing but a hotdog outfit
[15:26] <snap-l> jono: Going on the Severed Fifth world tour?
[15:26] <jono> AlanBell, haha
[15:26] <jono> snap-l, not quite, just a vacation :-)
[15:26] <snap-l> jono: You get those?
[15:26] <jono> snap-l, well, I had no say in this one
[15:27] <jono> snap-l, my father in law is taking the family away
[15:27]  * jono is packing a router, laptop, and tablet though :-)
[15:27] <snap-l> jono: Psh... you always have a vote. You've just been outvoted. ;)
[15:27] <jono> snap-l, of course I don't have a vote, you haven't met him :-)
[15:27] <snap-l> jono: Awesome. Where are you headed?
[15:27] <jono> but I am not complaining :-)
[15:27] <jono> snap-l, Italy
[15:28] <jono> we have family over there
[15:28] <snap-l> jono: Ask for non-smoking. ;)
[15:28] <jono> hah
[15:29] <snap-l> Seriously, though, that's awesome. Friend of ours went there recently and had a blast.
[15:29] <jono> yeah, I am looking forward to it, will be nice to have some time off
[15:29] <snap-l> And their mochas are awesome.
[15:29] <jono> been a while
[15:29] <jono> :-)
[15:29] <czajkowski> food in italy +++
[15:29] <czajkowski> nyommy
[15:29] <jono> so just wrapping up some things before I head
[15:29] <czajkowski> holidays++
[15:30] <snap-l> jono: Got the mp3 player loaded up?
[15:30] <jono> snap-l, pretty much, I am going to be packed with electronic gear
[15:30] <jono> :-)
[15:30] <jono> brb
[15:30] <snap-l> laterness.
[15:31] <dholbach> jono, did you see the newest http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/1glance-sponsoring/? I'm sure you're more excited about the holidays, but I thought I'd show you anyway :-)
[15:31] <snap-l> http://spiralmountain.bandcamp.com/album/spiralmountain <- Pick this up if you have some room
[15:32] <jono> dholbach, wow!
[15:32] <dholbach> thought you might like it :)
[15:33] <jono> that is wonderful!
[15:33] <jono> great work, dholbach! :-)
[15:33] <dholbach> that wasn't not only my work - let's hope we keep the number down until you get back ;-)
[15:33] <jono> sounds good :-)
[15:34] <mhall119> jono: also before you leave: http://mhall119.com/2012/03/contributing-to-unity-for-artists-svg-icons/
[15:34] <jono> mhall119, I saw that, that looks great :-)
[15:34] <jono> looks like everyone is firing on all cylinders :-)
[15:39] <cjohnston> mornin jono
[15:40] <jono> hey cjohnston
[15:43] <technoviking> jcastro: ok forums upgrade ticket updated with current status.
[15:44] <jcastro> nice!
[15:45] <cprofitt> nice mhall119 -- I will point the few artsists I know at that.
[15:45] <mhall119> cprofitt: awesome, thanks!
[15:46] <czajkowski> technoviking: thank you
[15:50] <s-fox> Thank you for the update technoviking :)
[15:54] <jcastro> technoviking, ok I panged stuart metcalfe, he did the SSO thing before.
[15:54] <jcastro> pinged, or whatever the word is
[15:56] <s-fox> Hey jcastro, did you have a good weekend?
[15:56] <jcastro> yeah, worked on OMG. :)
[15:56] <s-fox> Oh, writing an article or something?
[15:57] <mhall119> s-fox: fixing it
[15:59] <jcastro> almost done jujufying it
[15:59] <jcastro> actually marcoceppi did all the work.
[15:59] <jcastro> he's just a ninja like that
[15:59] <s-fox> mhall119,  Didn't know it was broken, then again I don't tend to look at that site very often ;)
[15:59] <cjohnston> broken isnt the correct word I don't think
[16:00] <s-fox> Perhaps improving should have been used instead of fixing :)
[16:00] <s-fox> How are you cjohnston , good weekend ?
[16:01] <cjohnston> fixing is right.. broken isnt.. heh  whats beyond broken
[16:01] <cjohnston> not too bad.. you?
[16:01] <bkerensa> jcastro: OMG is down again? =/
[16:01] <bkerensa> ;p
[16:02] <bkerensa> oh nvm they are just lagging
[16:02] <jcastro> we ran into a php bug
[16:02] <jcastro> and some setup issues
[16:02] <jcastro> but imbrandon is on the case
[16:02] <jcastro> and he's working with marco to make the entire setup be not so 1990s
[16:03] <bkerensa> :D
[16:03] <bkerensa> jcastro: is/he/someone going to change the dns so it doesnt show aws hostname?
[16:03] <bkerensa> :D
[16:03] <jcastro> that was fixed a while back
[16:04] <jcastro> flush your cache
[16:04] <jcastro> it's caching
[16:11] <jcastro> technoviking, #Canonical-isd on freenode please, see stuartm
[16:11] <jcastro> hurry! he EODs soon!
[16:17] <technoviking> there now
[16:18] <technoviking> sorry my boss need to see me for a few minutes
[16:43] <dholbach> alright, I'll walk back home again - see you later
[16:51] <technoviking> jcastro: I'm so close with SSO on vB4 I can taste it
[16:53] <jcastro> yeah baby!
[17:56] <s-fox> Going running, goodbye
[20:34] <jussi> jono disappeard already? :(
[20:40] <cjohnston> jussi: he's on vacation
[20:40] <jussi> oh