[15:58] <roadmr> hey!
[15:58] <bazhang> hi
[16:00] <roadmr> hello everyone! Time for the 1600 UTC Ubuntu Friendly meeting!!
[16:01] <roadmr> #startmeeting Ubuntu Friendly
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[16:01] <roadmr> Hi everyone, welcome to the Ubuntu Friendly meeting!
[16:01] <roadmr> Today we have the following topics to talk about:
[16:02] <roadmr> * Checkbox 0.13.5 and Precise Beta 2 (roadmr)
[16:02] <roadmr> * Any Other Business
[16:02] <roadmr> As usual, you're welcome to participate, to do so, indicate you want to speak by raising your hand (o/). Don't forget to also signal when you're done using ..
[16:03] <roadmr> Let's get started with the agenda!
[16:03] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Checkbox 0.13.5 and Precise Beta 2  (roadmr)
[16:03] <roadmr> We want to try to include a new version of Checkbox (0.13.5) in Precise Beta 2, to get as much exposure and bug reports/fixes as possible in this important milestone.
[16:03] <roadmr> This is not a done deal yet, we expect to prepare the upload tomorrow and the Beta freeze deadline is this Thursday. But I'll send a message to the mailing list if we manage to make it on time.
[16:04] <roadmr> If so, expect this new version of Checkbox to land with Beta 2 on March 29th!
[16:04] <roadmr> So once again, we'd like to ask for your help in running it and reporting any bugs you may find (by running ubuntu-bug checkbox, for instance).
[16:04] <roadmr> This will allow us to continue fixing those bugs in time for the 12.04 release.
[16:05] <roadmr> Note that thanks to the awesome work from both community and the Checkbox team, we had a large number of bugfixes which will hopefully make it into 0.13.5. Thanks everyone!
[16:05] <ara> o/
[16:06] <roadmr> ara: go ahead!
[16:06] <ara> are we going to try https://bugs.launchpad.net/checkbox/+bug/957090 to be part of that upload?
[16:06] <ara> what about the comments field?
[16:07] <roadmr> ara: if we manage to get the exception approved, yes, ideally
[16:07] <roadmr> ara: about the comments field thing, there's a bug about that, do you think we'd also need UIFe for that?
[16:08] <ara> roadmr, yes, if we want it in precise we will need both uife and ffe
[16:09] <roadmr> ara: ok, so I guess it depends on the paperwork being done in time then. I'd prefer to avoid a scramble like we had for 0.13.3, preparing everything at the last possible minute
[16:09] <ara> roadmr, OK, let's give us today to get the paperwork done for those two
[16:10] <ara> roadmr, what's the bug number for the comment field?
[16:10] <roadmr> ara: let me find it...
[16:11]  * roadmr looking
[16:12] <roadmr> ara: ok, I lied, there's no bug about the comment thing :( so far it's a [FEATURE]
[16:13] <roadmr> but I agree on trying to get those bugs today and starting with the upload tomorrow
[16:14] <roadmr> ok, shall we move on?
[16:15] <roadmr> [ACTION] roadmr to file bug on the comments feature
[16:15] <meetingology> ACTION: roadmr to file bug on the comments feature
[16:16] <roadmr> ok let's move on then :)
[16:16] <roadmr> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
[16:16] <roadmr> Anything else you'd like to discuss, comment on, or bring to the team's attention? now's your chance!
[16:18] <roadmr> any takers? :)
[16:19] <roadmr> nobody?
[16:19] <roadmr> last chance! :)
[16:19] <roadmr> Well I guess this wraps things up for today. Thanks for attending! Remember the mailing list is open to all your UF-related comments and inquiries.
[16:19] <roadmr> Thanks ara and everyone else! have a good day!
[16:19] <roadmr> #endmeeting
[16:19] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 19 16:19:54 2012 UTC.
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[18:07] <mdeslaur> \o
[18:07] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:07] <tyhicks> Hello
[18:08] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
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[18:08] <jjohansen> \o
[18:08] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:08] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:08] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:08] <jdstrand> Julian Taylor (jtaylor) provided a debdiff for oneiric for super (LP: #954579)
[18:08] <jdstrand> Your work is very much appreciated and will keep Ubuntu users secure. Great job! :)
[18:08] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:08] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:09] <jdstrand> I'm on triage this week. I'm happy to see that after running process_cves this morning, there was nothing new in oss-security
[18:10] <jdstrand> (I went back 5 weeks by exporting my oss-security folder in evo as mbox, then running check-cves --untriaged on it)
[18:10] <jdstrand> so, hopefully this indicates we are back on track despite mitre's efforts to thwart us :)
[18:11] <mdeslaur> hehe
[18:11] <jdstrand> my focus this week is on finishing up my MIR secruity audits. I completed many last week but have 3 left. I think 1 more will be coming after that though
[18:11] <jdstrand> depending on time, I will then move to install audits
[18:11] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: you did the locate_cves on it first though, right?
[18:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you know, I missed that step :)
[18:12]  * jdstrand will report back momentarily
[18:12] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: whoops :)
[18:12] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're next
[18:12] <mdeslaur> I'm working on a ca-certificates-java issue, and will go down the list after that
[18:13] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:13] <mdeslaur> meh, nothing further to report
[18:13] <mdeslaur> sbeattie, you're up
[18:13] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week, and have at least mahara to review.
[18:14] <sbeattie> Otherwise, I'm working on apparmor bugs
[18:14] <sbeattie> That's pretty much it for me.
[18:14] <sbeattie> micahg: tag, you're it.
[18:14] <micahg> I have patch piloting, as well as everything I didn't finish last week (Thunderbird update, Icedtea regression, thunderbird SRU), all to be completed this week, then there's webkit and possibly a chromium major update if they're on their 6 week schedule
[18:15] <micahg> well, thunderbird SRU not to be completed, but uploaded :)
[18:15] <micahg> questions?
[18:15] <micahg> off to tyhicks then :)
[18:16] <tyhicks> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:17] <tyhicks> Making good progress on the freetype update. I noticed that Debian mainly only patched the invalid write vulns, while I'm also patching the invalid reads.
[18:17] <tyhicks> It is a taking a bit longer, but I've got all the tests in place and I've backported everything to oneiric. Hopefully the other backports aren't too bad now.
[18:18] <tyhicks> I've got another revision of my patch for bug 842647 done
[18:18] <tyhicks> test kernels just got finished building and I'll be posting a link to those shortly, after doing a quick smoke test
[18:19] <tyhicks> That's about it for me. I'll be moving on to another update after I'm done with freetype.
[18:19] <tyhicks> jjohansen: You're up
[18:19] <jjohansen> I am continuing to look at Bug #959560, and any other apparmor bug that surfaces, or needs looking into (that includes following up with Christain on the mod_apparmor bug and also the APPARMOR_STOP mode for debugging).  I need to post out the next revision of the mount rules kernel patch to lkml, get some mount rule tests added to the regression test suite,  I also needed to start catching up on some of the deferred kernel
[18:20] <jjohansen> sigh, /me needs to also work on getting that paste right so it doesn't show up as one big blob
[18:20] <jjohansen> jdstrand: back to you
[18:21] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:21] <jdstrand> so it looks like there were 6 things in oss-sec we didn't have. still not bad
[18:21] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:21] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:21] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/jruby.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/rt73.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/xcftools.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/chasen.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/open-vm-tools.html
[18:22] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:22] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:23] <sbeattie> jdstrand: I noted you were planning on doing install audits; should we also start verifying qa-r-t tests for precise?
[18:24] <sbeattie> I'm asking because I fixed on issue with mysql/qart on precise, but now the upstream tests are failing, and it may require fixing something in the mysql package.
[18:25] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I'm not sure how we want to do these. we (I) failed in getting them done for precise and aiui the qa team is incorporating them
[18:25] <jdstrand> sbeattie: my feeling at this time is to just update them as we have time
[18:26] <jdstrand> and fix any bugs that the qa team reports. we can maybe formalize this a bit more next month. I don't think any of us have time to get this done before april all things considered
[18:26] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: what are your thoughts?
[18:27] <sbeattie> jdstrand: I somewhat agree, and in fact, the whole reason I looked at mysql was due to GrueMaster pointing out the breakage.
[18:27] <mdeslaur> I think we should wait for qa team bug reports and/or patches
[18:27] <sbeattie> but for some things it's better to know in advance...
[18:28] <mdeslaur> well, for stuff like apparmor where we're pretty much the maintainer, I agree we should be looking at them for precise
[18:28] <mdeslaur> but for other packages, I assume the qa team is running them on the dev release
[18:28] <jdstrand> sbeattie: certainly. the QA team is supposed to get to the point where they are running these all the time, so the advanced notice is just part of our normal qa process.afaik, we aren't there yet, but should be fixing any bugs that they give to us
[18:29] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: oh certainly. if a qrt package is tied to our acceptance criteria, we need to be running it
[18:29] <jdstrand> s/package/script/
[18:29] <jdstrand> sbeattie: can you hand that mysql failure to someone else on the team for now?
[18:29] <jdstrand> sbeattie: can discuss outside of the meeting
[18:30] <sbeattie> jdstrand: okay.
[18:31] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, micahg, tyhicks, jjohansen: thanks!
[18:31] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:31] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 19 18:31:32 2012 UTC.
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[18:31] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand
[18:31] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:31] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:31]  * micahg had something else, but it can wait until next week
[18:31] <micahg> jdstrand: thanks
[18:34] <beam> Hi...I have a question, and I will be very grateful if someone could help me.I do not know whether this is the place, and certainly does seem a bit frivolous, but I still wonder.with ubuntu 10.4 am and I've installed opera from opera_11.61.1250_i386.deb.
[18:34] <beam> his opera itself actually works perfectly, but it open where the icon appears on top of the panel to the notification area is slightly unsized (slightly smaller than that of starter and any glare and reflections).I know not, who knows what the problem, but I ceased provoking. so I hope someone knows where the system loads the icon to change it to another level.
[18:38] <micahg> beam: you want #ubuntu
[18:41] <beam> aha
[18:42] <beam> but there is like a honeycomb
[18:45] <micahg> beam: there's also askubuntu.com and answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[18:47] <beam> aha...
[18:47] <beam> so... you do not know
[19:11] <ScottK> beam: The question is off topic for this channel.
[19:14] <beam> ooo
[19:56] <kees> mdz, cjwatson, soren, stgraber: tech board in 5 min ...
[20:01] <cjwatson> hi
[20:01]  * stgraber waves
[20:01] <mdz> kees, hi
[20:01] <soren> Er... It's in an hour.
[20:01] <soren> Right?
[20:01]  * kees head-desks
[20:01] <soren> Didn't we agree to keep the UTC time?
[20:01] <kees> yes, sorry.
[20:02] <kees> I'll re-ping in an hour...
[20:02] <soren> The wiki wasn't updated when I looked earlier today.
[20:02] <cjwatson> yay for google calendar
[20:02]  * stgraber blames his phone for saying it was now
[20:02] <kees> soren: I just touched the wiki up a few minutes ago.
[20:02] <cjwatson> soren: I only remembered to do the minutes after seeing pitti's apologies mail
[20:04] <kees> okay, I've tied my google calendar event to Reykjavik now
[20:04] <kees> I swear I'd done that already
[20:08] <micahg> umm, the fridge calendar should be fixed to be in UTC then
[20:09] <micahg> or rather the meeting, as it's still showing as now
[20:09] <cjwatson> that's a consequence of the google calendar
[20:09] <micahg> no, there's a GMT time zone you can set appts in that won't change when the meeting is based on DST
[20:09] <micahg> GMT/no DST or something like that
[20:10] <Mkays|> What meeting are you having?
[20:10] <soren> None. We'll be having the Ubuntu Technical Board meetin gin 50 minutes.
[20:10] <soren> This is the pre-meeting where we discuss when to have the real meeting :)
[20:10] <Mkays|> I see
[20:11] <ScottK> soren: Whoa.  Better plan that.  You wouldn't want to dive straight into the pre-meeting with no planning.
[20:12] <soren> ScottK: Are you volunteering for the pre-meeting planning committee?
[20:13] <ScottK> Nope.  I was once in the Navy and it turns out that's an acroynm for "Never Again Volunteer Yourself".  It's a motto I try to live by.
[20:18] <highvoltage> That motto is easier said than done :)
[20:20] <Mkays|> It looks like a loop
[20:21] <ScottK> highvoltage: Right.  I try.  I often fail.
[20:21] <Mkays|> First you volunteer and say that and  then you volunteer again
[20:21] <ScottK> You can't not do it again until you've done it once.
[20:30] <Mkays|> Pre-meeting is probably good pplace to ask, what is Ubuntu technical board?
[20:34] <ScottK> Mkays|: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoard/
[20:34] <Mkays|>  Ok
[20:38] <Mkays|> Looks interesting :-)
[20:56] <kees> cjwatson, mdz, soren, stgraber: tech board in 5 min (for real this time)
[20:59]  * stgraber waves again
[21:01] <soren> o/
[21:01] <mdz> kees, hi
[21:01] <mdz> (having to juggle a bit because the calendar said it was an hour ago)
[21:02] <kees> #startmeeting
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[21:02] <cjwatson> micahg: I wasn't saying it was an inherent consequence of google calendar, but rather that it's a consequence of the calendar as currently set up
[21:02] <micahg> fair enough
[21:02] <kees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[21:02] <cjwatson> I didn't fill out the actions, best check the minutes for that, sorry
[21:03]  * kees goes to find minutes, one sec
[21:04] <kees> cjwatson: hrm, where did the minutes end up? I don't see them on ubuntu-devel
[21:04] <kees> skipping for now...
[21:04] <cjwatson> devel-announce
[21:04] <cjwatson> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-March/000942.html
[21:05] <kees> [topic] Soren agreed to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:05] <kees> er
[21:05] <kees> [topic] Action review
[21:05] <kees> Soren agreed to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:05] <kees> I didn't see that go to tech-board list. is that still outstanding?
[21:06] <soren> Yeah.
[21:06] <kees> okay
[21:06] <kees> [action] Soren to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:06] <meetingology> ACTION: Soren to send mail regarding meeting time changes.
[21:07] <kees> I don't see any other actions in the minutes.
[21:07] <kees> [topic] Brain storm review
[21:07] <kees> I failed miserably at this.
[21:07] <kees> there was discussion about how we could improve the process.
[21:08] <kees> do we want to tie this to releases? or mid-release time frames?
[21:10] <cjwatson> well, a few things there, imho
[21:10] <cjwatson> we want it to be at a point when people aren't in crunch mode
[21:10] <kees> right
[21:10] <cjwatson> we also want it to be at a point when people can say "oh yes, great idea, I've implemented that for the next release" 'cos that feels good
[21:10] <cjwatson> so I'd like it to be somewhere in the feature development slot
[21:11] <kees> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule <- before "Feature Definition Freeze" ?
[21:12] <cjwatson> well, that's for big stuff requiring lots of planning, I think it's fine for this to be later, personally
[21:14] <kees> hrm, is it worth doing before UDS?
[21:14] <kees> there aren't a lot of good places to sneak this in
[21:16] <kees> well, I propose we have it due the week before Debian Import Freeze.
[21:17] <kees> thoughts?
[21:17] <soren> I have no problem with that.
[21:18] <kees> okay, I'll send an email to the list with that mentioned.
[21:18] <kees> [action] propose slot in devel cycle for brainstorm feedback
[21:18] <meetingology> ACTION: propose slot in devel cycle for brainstorm feedback
[21:18] <cjwatson> ok
[21:18] <kees> [topic] Scan the mailing list archive for anything we missed (standing item)
[21:18] <ScottK> Is there stuff in Brainstorm that's actionable and worth doing?  Admittedly it was quite awhile ago, but I once looked through it pretty deeply looking for something I could say "Nice idea, I'd like to spend some time on that" and came up dry.
[21:19] <ScottK> (sorry that was late)
[21:19] <kees> ScottK: that was my experience too, which is what contributed to my epic fail this time around
[21:19] <cjwatson> ScottK: the last time I did a TB review it wasn't too bad
[21:20] <ScottK> OK.
[21:20] <cjwatson> there were certainly actionable and useful things there, although a certain amount of it was indeed not actionable
[21:20] <kees> I don't see anything on the list that has gone unaddressed.
[21:20] <cjwatson> restricting to the top ten helps, as does not having to restrict to things only the person looking for things can do
[21:20] <cjwatson> (I suspect the trail goes dry not desperately far below the top ten, but)
[21:20] <danel> hello I'm new to this room
[21:21] <danel> michael rawson recommended me to the room(known as mg&tl from the forums)
[21:21] <kees> hi danel, this channel is used for regular ubuntu meetings. (and we're in the middle of the technical board meeting currently.)
[21:21] <kees> [topic] Check up on community bugs (standing item)
[21:22] <stgraber> what's the status of Ubuntu Studio regarding LTS status?
[21:22] <kees> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/252368 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/174375 are still there with no more action.
[21:23] <kees> stgraber: according to meeting minutes, tb asked for more details.
[21:23] <kees> stgraber: I haven't seen anything about it since the last meeting, though.
[21:24] <stgraber> yeah, I seem to remember we were supposed to get more details by mail to the mailing list
[21:25] <kees> [topic] AOB
[21:27] <kees> Any one have anything to bring up?
[21:27] <mdz> nope
[21:27] <cjwatson> not I
[21:27] <kees> chair?
[21:27] <stgraber> nope
[21:27] <mdz> I think I'm next in sequence?
[21:27] <soren> nope
[21:28] <kees> okay, mdz is chair for the Apr 2nd meeting.
[21:28] <kees> alright, thanks everyone!
[21:28] <kees> #endmeeting
[21:28] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar 19 21:28:53 2012 UTC.
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[21:48] <danel> do I need permission to speak from another member?
[22:10] <ScottK> danel: No, but this place is pretty quiet except during meetings.
[22:11] <danel> ok
[22:11] <danel> well I have been wanting to contribute to ubuntu front/back end
[22:11] <danel> don't know too much but....
[22:11] <danel> here is an example of a file I wrote that hasn't been compiled yet
[22:11] <ScottK> If you're interesting in development, you should try #ubuntu-devel.
[22:12] <danel> whoops
[22:12] <danel> sorry wrong xchat room
[22:12] <danel> it's in freenode as well?
[22:12] <danel> ok thanks
[22:12] <ScottK> yes