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DJonesMorning all08:15
TheOpenSourcererHey DJones08:16
TheOpenSourcererMorning everyone else.08:17
DJonesMorning TheOpenSourcerer08:19
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AlanBellmorning all08:32
TheOpenSourcererHi AlanBell08:36
MooDoohello all08:37
bigcalmMorning :)09:14
MooDoomorning bigcalm09:15
bigcalmHi MooDoo09:16
daubers\o/09:17
daubersSEC have lost one of the phases to Callieva Park this morning09:18
daubersLuckily one ring in the office is on another phase, so extension leads _everywhere_ keeping servers alive as the UPS's die09:18
bigcalmThat's healthy09:18
daubersYep!09:18
BigRedSSurely the UPSs should be switching to the not-down phases all by themselves?09:21
daubersThe old building is entirley on a single phase09:21
daubersand that's where the server room is09:21
daubersOne room in the new building is on another phase :)09:21
AlanBellI guess that hurts the power company a bit09:22
daubersMeh, this has happened before, so they probably need a good kicking anyway09:22
czajkowskimorning all09:26
czajkowskihttps://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/191072  if someone wants to tackle that09:26
AlanBell"linux mint"09:26
JamesTaitHappy Monday, all!09:29
diploMorning all09:29
kirrusg'morning10:00
MooDoomorn10:02
popeyMorning10:07
ali1234that guy with the tosh laptop running mint has handed you the answer to an existing long standing bug on a plate10:14
ali1234unfortunately the first person to respond didn't read past the first line and just told him to go to linux mint forums10:15
ed1234Hi anyone know how to turn off anti aliasing in all the applications in lubuntu, Ive selected the option from customize look and feel but some applications still have antialiasing on (i have istalled calibre, which is ebook conversion tool and it has aa on),thanks, any help appreciated (oh and i am new to linux)10:16
ali1234which i might add will have no idea what to do with him because it's a web forum, and web forums and kernel developers do not mix10:16
ali1234plus they won't want to know either because he is using a custom kernel patch10:16
ali1234ed1234: it is complicated10:17
ali1234i will explain it though, to make a point about why lubuntu is not a reasonable alternative to gnome10:17
nothingspecialali1234, do you have a problem at ubuntuforums.org? or another forum10:18
ali1234you see, long ago, linux had hundreds of different gui toolkits, all completely incompatible10:18
bigcalmpopey: how did you not get hong-kong? :(10:18
ali1234then KDE was invented and it was good, but the licence sucked, so then gnome was invented as well10:18
ali1234so these two toolkits were incompatible but both very good in comparison to everything else10:18
ali1234after a while the two groups of developers started working together on some stuff, under an initiative called free desktop10:19
ali1234under free desktop, gnome and kde share some configuration options like appearence settings10:19
ali1234so if you run KDE, gnome apps will follow the KDE setting for antialiasing10:20
ali1234and if you run gnome, the KDE apps follow the gnome setting10:20
ali1234that all works really well10:20
ali1234unfortunately stuff like lubuntu, xfce, and all the others have terrible free desktop support, so if you use them, the end result is neither gnome nor KDE apps (which is 99% of all apps) will correctly follow the desktop settings for antialiasing, fonts etc10:20
ali1234so you have to install the respective configuration system for the app, and configure it separately10:21
ali1234you have to do that for both KDE and gnome10:21
popeybigcalm: ☺10:23
ali1234and that's why i rage every time someone suggests LXDE or XFCE as an alternative to gnome 210:23
bigcalmpopey: I pour my artistic soul into that game!10:23
* bigcalm sobs quietly10:24
bigcalmI do get piddled off by those who just write the answer. Missing the point of the game10:24
ed1234so what do I do then? surely there must be a solution without reinstaling ubuntu (which btw runs slow on my old machine)10:26
ali1234ed1234: it depends on the app10:26
ali1234you need to figure out what toolkit it uses, and then install the configuration tools for that toolkit10:26
ed1234how do I do that, figure out he toolkit it uses?10:27
ali1234there are several ways10:27
ali1234you can look at the source code or the dependencies of the package10:27
ali1234after a while you'll be able to tell just by looking at the appor check the website10:27
ali1234for example calibre uses Qt10:28
ed1234ok, so I need QT configuration tool then10:29
ali1234you configure that using qt4-qtconfig10:29
DJonesDid somebody mention that HUD was being delayed and wouldn't be included in precise (can't decide whether I misread something, or whether that was said last week)10:29
ed1234will that qt configuration affect all qt applications on my machine?10:30
ali1234probably10:30
ali1234also it doesn't appear to have a setting for anti-aliasing10:30
directhexoh joy. "someone stole some blank vehicle registration documents, so now we're reprinting them for everyone in the country on a different colour paper"10:31
ali1234again?10:31
bigcalmFunky10:31
bigcalmMOT certs are really boring now10:31
bigcalmPlain white paper10:31
directhexali1234, say hello to the new bright red V5C!10:34
directhexwait, the theft of the old blue ones was in *2007*?10:35
DJonesdirecthex: Have you got a link to that story?10:35
directhexhttp://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_18932910:36
DJonesInteresting10:41
ali1234ah so not again, it's just taken them 5 years to do something about it?10:41
BigRedSIt *is* the DVLA10:42
directhexali1234, yes!10:44
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:53
davmor2morning all11:28
davmor2czajkowski: hugs11:28
bigcalmHi davmor211:29
davmor2bigcalm: mrevell: set for Thursday?11:30
bigcalmI am11:30
mrevelldavmor2, Yeah, probably.11:30
bigcalmNot sure what to do about Wednesday evening though11:31
bigcalmI could leave early, but that would not be good for Adam Sweet if I'm giving him a lift11:31
davmor2bigcalm: If things keep going the way they are I won't have time to get there but hopefully that won't be the case and Adam won't mind really11:38
s-foxo/12:18
diploAlanBell, Was it you who ordered the Zoostorm recently from ebuyer ?14:03
diploAnd upgraded parts ?14:03
popeyhe ordered one for dadbuntu didnt he?14:04
* popey has one too14:05
AlanBelldiplo: yes, didn't upgrade anything on it14:05
diploHow did you find it in the end ?14:05
diploHad my parents asking me again yesterday, thought I'd see how you had got on :)14:05
ali1234zoostorm has to be the silliest name for a computer ever14:16
popeydiplo: my main desktop is one, works fine (once I had the mobo replaced under warranty)14:22
ali1234popey: did your laptop get fixed btw?14:22
popeyyeah, new mobo14:23
ali1234hmm14:23
ali1234yo have bad luck with motherboards?14:23
popeyseems so14:23
popeyipad broken now ☺14:23
ali1234this G19 keyboard is really bad for a £100 keyboard14:23
ali1234drops letters all over the place, or reverses them14:23
ali1234i might have to go back to the cheapy one14:23
diplopopey, How noisey is it ?  not that it really matters.. I swear my dad is close to stone deaf14:24
diplo:)14:24
gordattempting to build a new xbmc on my revo today, this might take a while :(14:24
diploOooh fresh install gord ?14:24
diploBeen putting off doing mine for ages14:24
ali1234why build native?14:24
gorddiplo, nope, i need a feature of ffmpeg that isn't available in the xbmc source, so i'm using some script someone made to merge it all together14:25
ali1234wait revo isn't even arm, there's even less reason to build on the target14:25
BigRedSI found my current keyboard down the back of a filing cabinet about six years ago. Its RRP is ~£714:25
BigRedSOh, no, they're on ebay for a tenner14:26
gordali1234, because i have stuff to do and wasting a few hours building on the revo is fine in comparison to wasting my time on the desktop14:26
ali1234BigRedS: i didn't pay for this kb, i wouldn't buy one14:26
BigRedSali1234: aha. Yeah, much as I like the idea of a model M or whatever, turns out cheap old keyboarsd are pretty durable and reasonable to type on14:26
diploYou playing some special format gord ?14:26
ali1234i mean i wouldn't have bought one anyway, but now i know what they are like i *really* woldn't buy one14:27
gorddiplo, 10bit encoded x264 video14:27
ali1234a model M is a cheap old keyboard14:27
BigRedSah yeah, that's a good point14:27
BigRedSthey're just not cheap now14:27
ali1234they're only expensive now because they are so rare14:27
ali1234some guy quotes me $30 plus shipping for 1 key spring14:27
BigRedSI am in the wrong bit of the computer industry14:28
ali1234which reminds me14:28
popeydiplo: not too loud, only one fan on the cpu, and the disk14:30
diploOK, well two of you now have one I feel safer14:35
diploCan I ask what you guys have memory wise in your Revo's ?14:35
AlanBelldiplo: the zoostorm is fine, not very noisy (it was replacing one that was at least equally noisy)14:36
AlanBellit is nice and fast14:36
gordi think i have 4gb somethings in my revo diplo - its pretty easy to replace14:36
diploheh, I still have the standard 1gb14:36
bigcalmdiplo: I have the maximum 4gb in my revo. But it won't use it all14:36
diploWorried about upgrading with 12.04 and ram usage :)14:37
diploWorks fine on lucid with 1gb tbh14:37
gordmy ram broke, new ram was so cheep that i bumped it up14:37
bigcalmI'll put 12.04 onto my revo when it's ready14:37
popeydiplo: revo has 4GB here and an SSD14:37
diploOnly reason I haven't ordered yet is I always forgoet to check model before coming to work14:37
diploand always forget at night with kids about14:38
diploSSD :(14:38
popeywhy ☹14:38
diploStretch my budget just to far14:38
popeyahh14:38
bigcalmYes, Revo will get an SSD also14:38
diploWould love one for laptop/revo/other laptop14:38
diploPC14:38
diploNeed some private work to treat myself really14:38
bigcalmI have a 120gb SSD sitting on my desk waiting for 12.04 to be ready14:38
bigcalmMy laptop is panting in anticipation14:38
diploGrrr, don't rub it in!14:39
bigcalmSave some pennies. They are _very_ slowly coming down in price14:39
bigcalmOnce you use an SSD, you will never want to use an HDD again14:40
gordehhhhhh14:40
bigcalmWell, I don't want to14:40
gorduntil you start hitting your memory limits and get frustrated ;)14:40
diploI have two kids living at home on my own, not a lot of chance to save.. it's either CC and pay off over a few months or nothing at the mo14:40
BigRedSIt seems like oodles of RAM. I'll not have a problem until I've had it and then had it taken away again.14:41
BigRedSso I'm just going to not buy one14:41
BigRedSand be happy with my spinning platters14:41
gordmy ssd is mostly only good in two situations, boot up speed and building software. given that i suspend my laptop all the time and only build software on there when i'm out and about, not really hugely inclined atm14:41
bigcalmdiplo: send the kids down the local mine14:41
diploheh, would love to monetize them... a mine would be good with all the bloody energy they have at the mo!14:42
diploBoth have stonking colds and still running around like loonies yesterday at a play centre14:42
gordhamster wheels, save on the electricity14:43
* popey stabs bug 936667 in the face14:51
lubotu3Launchpad bug 936667 in upstart (Ubuntu) "Upstart early job logging causes boot failure for systems with no initramfs (error is "No available ptys")" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/93666714:51
* BigRedS wants his sysvinit back14:53
* popey wonders how to fix this14:53
* popey appens --no-log14:54
* bigcalm sadly gets out the laptop to test a windows only feature :(14:59
bigcalm5 screens is not healthy15:00
* diplo has 4 on the go :/15:00
bigcalmIf the skype plugin 'click-to-call' worked in Linux, I wouldn't need my laptop right now15:01
bigcalmDamn you closed source systems!15:01
bigcalmI bet even Windows would boot quickly on an SSD15:02
davmor2bigcalm: well faster15:03
gordwindows boots pretty quickly even on a HDD these days, or at least 7 does on my desktop machine15:03
gordnot super quick, but quick enough that it doesn't bother me15:03
bigcalmAfter the password prompt, I'm still waiting for a useable system15:04
gordis that not just all the applications you have set to auto start?15:04
gordi keep my windows install just for steam very light on the auto starts15:05
bigcalmgord: it's probably the av taking its time15:05
gordstop downloading viruses :P15:05
DJonesHere's a use for the Rasberry Pi http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bays-attacks-censorship-with-server-drones-120318/ :) 1st April yet?16:25
bigcalmhttp://partners.rackspace.com/ working for anybody?16:29
ali1234nope16:30
popeyConnection to 204.232.137.101 failed.16:30
* bigcalm grumbles16:30
bigcalmKind of puts you off buying from them16:30
christelyes, dont do it16:31
christelcome to my movie premiere instead!16:31
czajkowskihttp://www.rackspace.com/partners/  that works16:31
gordah, so it didn't work because bigcalm just made up a url ;)16:32
bigcalmhttp://www.rackspace.co.uk/partner-programme/partner-portal/16:32
bigcalmI followed the link from that page16:32
bigcalmgord: isn't that how URLs work in the interwebs?16:33
gordemail webmaster@rackspace.com to inform them of their missing hyperlink!16:33
DJonesOr just use the "live chat" with an operator to point out that you would have bought something from them, but because their system doesn't work, you'll be going elsewhere (unless they give you a discount)16:34
czajkowskithe failed link gives you the correct url....16:34
bigcalmNo it doesn't16:35
bigcalmThat's not the login portal for partners16:36
czajkowskibigcalm: Additional suggestions:16:37
czajkowskiGo to rackspace.­com/­partners/­16:37
czajkowskiGo to rackspace.­com16:37
bigcalmYes, only Chrome offers that for me16:37
bigcalmFireFox doesn't16:38
czajkowskibigcalm: use a propper browser :)16:38
bigcalmczajkowski: use a propper OS :P16:39
czajkowskiI do16:39
czajkowskiand my browser works also :)16:39
bigcalmSo do mine. It's not the web browser at fault16:40
bigcalmIt's all Linux's fault!16:40
bigcalmRarrrr16:40
dauberspersonally, I blame it on the boogie16:53
* BigRedS blames it on the good times16:54
daubersAs long as we all agree not to blame it on the sunshine16:55
* davmor2 prods czajkowski cause he hasn't in a while :P16:56
christel:o17:09
kirruswhat's the freenode ops channel? I think I've found an IRC-botnet that uses a freenode channel as it's C&C17:11
christel#freenode -- though you're welcome to pm me if you want :)17:12
kirrusCool :)17:12
BigRedSkirrus: no apostrophe!17:14
BigRedSWell, two of them are OK in that sentence, but not the third.17:14
popeycan someone confirm bug 959505 pls17:16
lubotu3Launchpad bug 959505 in gedit (Ubuntu) "gedit wants to save in "recently used" by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/95950517:16
MartijnVdScan I disable "Recently Used"?17:17
MartijnVdSI've already uninstalled zeitgeist17:17
popey17:18
kirruspopey: just want someone to duplicate it, and then change bug status, right?17:20
kirrusIf so, confirmed17:20
popeyta17:22
AlanBellI don't like recently used either17:24
MartijnVdSAlanBell: especially the defaulting on it17:24
MartijnVdSI don't mind that it's _there_17:24
MartijnVdSbut the fact that all "File -> Open" and "File -> Save" dialogs start in it bugs me17:24
popey+117:25
AlanBellyeah, it is mostly harmless, I just don't trust it17:25
MartijnVdSturning off "logging" (in the shiny new privacy screen) also doesn't disable it17:25
AlanBellI guess if I could see the path of things before opening them I would be happier17:27
MartijnVdSAlanBell: but you used it recently! you must know where it is17:27
AlanBellwell not for certain17:28
AlanBellif I have a file called __openerp__.py that was used recently it could be in any of 124 different folders17:28
MartijnVdSHmm, more "The Tube" tonight17:29
MartijnVdSpopey: ^17:29
popeythe what?17:29
MartijnVdSpopey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dzm9y17:29
popeynot seen any of that17:30
popeyi should17:30
* popey kicks get_iplayer17:30
MartijnVdS\o/ get_iplayer17:31
MartijnVdSuhr.. \o/ record_dvbstream17:32
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s-foxGoing running, goodbye17:56
awilkinsBack at work one day. Tedium already seeping into bones.18:02
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AlanBelloh la la http://www.le-libriste.fr/2012/03/ubuntu-unity-window-quicklists/19:14
MartijnVdSAlanBell: it's in Frenchish!19:24
AlanBelloui19:28
jacobwja19:28
MartijnVdSsi19:28
jacobwparalell19:29
AzelphurRandom things, I was watching star trek TNG last night and Data said he has "800 quadrillion bits" of memory capacity, and he could perform 60 trillion computational operations per second. I took computational operations per second to be FLOPS. Worked it all out, Data has a 90,949TB HDD and a CPU 550 times as powerful as a hex core i7 960 XE \o/19:30
jacobwthat's nice19:31
jacobwhave you taken your medication today?19:31
ali1234but the starship enterprise on has 2TB19:31
Azelphurjacobw: no xD19:31
ali1234according to the first episode19:31
Azelphurali1234: haha, bit of a discrepancy there19:31
TheOpenSourcererAlanBell: & Spanish: http://www.atareao.es/ubuntu/software-para-tu-ubuntu/unity-window-quicklists-o-encontrar-la-ventana-que-buscas/19:32
ali1234yes. in the later series they switched to using meaningless made up words19:32
jacobwthey deployed an enterprise storage solution ;)19:32
jacobw(i'm sorry)19:32
Azelphurhaha19:33
MartijnVdSjacobw: I must have been ready for the Enterprise19:33
ali1234gene roddenberry was all about trying to be realistic with the sci fi and use real stuff - but that ends up seeming dated. where as berman and that other guy were just like "this is dumb sci fi, let's make it stupid"19:33
MartijnVdS"Hurr-durr octoquads"19:34
ali1234exatly19:34
ging719:41
gingoops19:41
MartijnVdSging: [7]?19:41
gingwas flicking tabs19:42
Azelphurlol19:42
MartijnVdSAzelphur: ah you're a redditor ;)19:42
AzelphurI am?19:42
MartijnVdSAzelphur: I thought you understood the [7] :)19:42
gingnote sure how i pressed enter19:42
Azelphurnope xD19:42
gordonjcpright, any openerp-ers about?19:43
TheOpenSourcereryes gordonjcp19:43
MartijnVdSAzelphur: http://www.reddit.com/comments/dvwxd/what_do_the_singledigit_numbers_in_square/ :)19:43
gordonjcpTheOpenSourcerer: aha, I'm just looking at your site19:44
gordonjcpTheOpenSourcerer: so you reckon installing 6.1 instead of the stock packages?19:44
Azelphurhehe19:44
TheOpenSourcererIt depends on what you want really. It isn't hard to do from the source tarball and I find it easier to deal with mods and changes to OpenERP this way. You won't break dpkg.19:45
gordonjcptbh I want a mostly fit-and-forget install19:46
TheOpenSourcererI think something like sudo dpkg --force-depends install openerp-6,1.deb19:46
TheOpenSourcererIf you are on 10.04 you'll need to update werkzueg.19:46
gordonjcpah, 11.04 server19:47
TheOpenSourcererdunno on 11.04. But sudo pip install werkzeug will do it anyway.19:47
TheOpenSourcereryou need > 0.8 AIUI19:47
gordonjcphmm20:00
gordonjcptbh I think openerp is a bit heavyweight for what I want20:00
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TheOpenSourcerergordonjcp: what is it you want to do?20:07
gordonjcpTheOpenSourcerer: I want a stock control system20:08
gordonjcpaccounting would be good, but not necessary20:09
TheOpenSourcererOpenERP is rather good at that sort of thing. But with goodness comes some level of complexity and setting up. What stock are you managing?20:09
TheOpenSourcererbtw - happy to discuss offline tomorrow is that suits.20:09
gordonjcpradio parts, and radios20:09
gordonjcpmostly20:09
TheOpenSourcerers\if20:09
gordonjcpoffline?20:10
TheOpenSourcerermeants off Ubuntu-uk.20:10
gordonjcpah, okay20:10
TheOpenSourcereror you could visit #openobject20:10
gordonjcpwell I'll poke this some more, although I think I'll drop it back to 5 until I get my head around it20:10
TheOpenSourcerer6.1 is *much* better20:11
gordonjcphmm20:11
bigcalmGood evening peeps20:54
ubuntuuk-planet[Tony] Im not a poser, honest! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/19/im-not-a-poser-honest/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=im-not-a-poser-honest22:05
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