[08:15] <DJones> Morning all
[08:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey DJones
[08:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning everyone else.
[08:19] <DJones> Morning TheOpenSourcerer
[08:32] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hi AlanBell
[08:37] <MooDoo> hello all
[09:14] <bigcalm> Morning :)
[09:15] <MooDoo> morning bigcalm
[09:16] <bigcalm> Hi MooDoo
[09:17] <daubers> \o/
[09:18] <daubers> SEC have lost one of the phases to Callieva Park this morning
[09:18] <daubers> Luckily one ring in the office is on another phase, so extension leads _everywhere_ keeping servers alive as the UPS's die
[09:18] <bigcalm> That's healthy
[09:18] <daubers> Yep!
[09:21] <BigRedS> Surely the UPSs should be switching to the not-down phases all by themselves?
[09:21] <daubers> The old building is entirley on a single phase
[09:21] <daubers> and that's where the server room is
[09:21] <daubers> One room in the new building is on another phase :)
[09:22] <AlanBell> I guess that hurts the power company a bit
[09:22] <daubers> Meh, this has happened before, so they probably need a good kicking anyway
[09:26] <czajkowski> morning all
[09:26] <czajkowski> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/191072  if someone wants to tackle that
[09:26] <AlanBell> "linux mint"
[09:29] <JamesTait> Happy Monday, all!
[09:29] <diplo> Morning all
[10:00] <kirrus> g'morning
[10:02] <MooDoo> morn
[10:07] <popey> Morning
[10:14] <ali1234> that guy with the tosh laptop running mint has handed you the answer to an existing long standing bug on a plate
[10:15] <ali1234> unfortunately the first person to respond didn't read past the first line and just told him to go to linux mint forums
[10:16] <ed1234> Hi anyone know how to turn off anti aliasing in all the applications in lubuntu, Ive selected the option from customize look and feel but some applications still have antialiasing on (i have istalled calibre, which is ebook conversion tool and it has aa on),thanks, any help appreciated (oh and i am new to linux)
[10:16] <ali1234> which i might add will have no idea what to do with him because it's a web forum, and web forums and kernel developers do not mix
[10:16] <ali1234> plus they won't want to know either because he is using a custom kernel patch
[10:17] <ali1234> ed1234: it is complicated
[10:17] <ali1234> i will explain it though, to make a point about why lubuntu is not a reasonable alternative to gnome
[10:18] <nothingspecial> ali1234, do you have a problem at ubuntuforums.org? or another forum
[10:18] <ali1234> you see, long ago, linux had hundreds of different gui toolkits, all completely incompatible
[10:18] <bigcalm> popey: how did you not get hong-kong? :(
[10:18] <ali1234> then KDE was invented and it was good, but the licence sucked, so then gnome was invented as well
[10:18] <ali1234> so these two toolkits were incompatible but both very good in comparison to everything else
[10:19] <ali1234> after a while the two groups of developers started working together on some stuff, under an initiative called free desktop
[10:19] <ali1234> under free desktop, gnome and kde share some configuration options like appearence settings
[10:20] <ali1234> so if you run KDE, gnome apps will follow the KDE setting for antialiasing
[10:20] <ali1234> and if you run gnome, the KDE apps follow the gnome setting
[10:20] <ali1234> that all works really well
[10:20] <ali1234> unfortunately stuff like lubuntu, xfce, and all the others have terrible free desktop support, so if you use them, the end result is neither gnome nor KDE apps (which is 99% of all apps) will correctly follow the desktop settings for antialiasing, fonts etc
[10:21] <ali1234> so you have to install the respective configuration system for the app, and configure it separately
[10:21] <ali1234> you have to do that for both KDE and gnome
[10:23] <popey> bigcalm: ☺
[10:23] <ali1234> and that's why i rage every time someone suggests LXDE or XFCE as an alternative to gnome 2
[10:23] <bigcalm> popey: I pour my artistic soul into that game!
[10:24]  * bigcalm sobs quietly
[10:24] <bigcalm> I do get piddled off by those who just write the answer. Missing the point of the game
[10:26] <ed1234> so what do I do then? surely there must be a solution without reinstaling ubuntu (which btw runs slow on my old machine)
[10:26] <ali1234> ed1234: it depends on the app
[10:26] <ali1234> you need to figure out what toolkit it uses, and then install the configuration tools for that toolkit
[10:27] <ed1234> how do I do that, figure out he toolkit it uses?
[10:27] <ali1234> there are several ways
[10:27] <ali1234> you can look at the source code or the dependencies of the package
[10:27] <ali1234> after a while you'll be able to tell just by looking at the appor check the website
[10:28] <ali1234> for example calibre uses Qt
[10:29] <ed1234> ok, so I need QT configuration tool then
[10:29] <ali1234> you configure that using qt4-qtconfig
[10:29] <DJones> Did somebody mention that HUD was being delayed and wouldn't be included in precise (can't decide whether I misread something, or whether that was said last week)
[10:30] <ed1234> will that qt configuration affect all qt applications on my machine?
[10:30] <ali1234> probably
[10:30] <ali1234> also it doesn't appear to have a setting for anti-aliasing
[10:31] <directhex> oh joy. "someone stole some blank vehicle registration documents, so now we're reprinting them for everyone in the country on a different colour paper"
[10:31] <ali1234> again?
[10:31] <bigcalm> Funky
[10:31] <bigcalm> MOT certs are really boring now
[10:31] <bigcalm> Plain white paper
[10:34] <directhex> ali1234, say hello to the new bright red V5C!
[10:35] <directhex> wait, the theft of the old blue ones was in *2007*?
[10:35] <DJones> directhex: Have you got a link to that story?
[10:36] <directhex> http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_189329
[10:41] <DJones> Interesting
[10:41] <ali1234> ah so not again, it's just taken them 5 years to do something about it?
[10:42] <BigRedS> It *is* the DVLA
[10:44] <directhex> ali1234, yes!
[10:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:28] <davmor2> morning all
[11:28] <davmor2> czajkowski: hugs
[11:29] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: mrevell: set for Thursday?
[11:30] <bigcalm> I am
[11:30] <mrevell> davmor2, Yeah, probably.
[11:31] <bigcalm> Not sure what to do about Wednesday evening though
[11:31] <bigcalm> I could leave early, but that would not be good for Adam Sweet if I'm giving him a lift
[11:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: If things keep going the way they are I won't have time to get there but hopefully that won't be the case and Adam won't mind really
[12:18] <s-fox> o/
[14:03] <diplo> AlanBell, Was it you who ordered the Zoostorm recently from ebuyer ?
[14:03] <diplo> And upgraded parts ?
[14:04] <popey> he ordered one for dadbuntu didnt he?
[14:05]  * popey has one too
[14:05] <AlanBell> diplo: yes, didn't upgrade anything on it
[14:05] <diplo> How did you find it in the end ?
[14:05] <diplo> Had my parents asking me again yesterday, thought I'd see how you had got on :)
[14:16] <ali1234> zoostorm has to be the silliest name for a computer ever
[14:22] <popey> diplo: my main desktop is one, works fine (once I had the mobo replaced under warranty)
[14:22] <ali1234> popey: did your laptop get fixed btw?
[14:23] <popey> yeah, new mobo
[14:23] <ali1234> hmm
[14:23] <ali1234> yo have bad luck with motherboards?
[14:23] <popey> seems so
[14:23] <popey> ipad broken now ☺
[14:23] <ali1234> this G19 keyboard is really bad for a £100 keyboard
[14:23] <ali1234> drops letters all over the place, or reverses them
[14:23] <ali1234> i might have to go back to the cheapy one
[14:24] <diplo> popey, How noisey is it ?  not that it really matters.. I swear my dad is close to stone deaf
[14:24] <diplo> :)
[14:24] <gord> attempting to build a new xbmc on my revo today, this might take a while :(
[14:24] <diplo> Oooh fresh install gord ?
[14:24] <diplo> Been putting off doing mine for ages
[14:24] <ali1234> why build native?
[14:25] <gord> diplo, nope, i need a feature of ffmpeg that isn't available in the xbmc source, so i'm using some script someone made to merge it all together
[14:25] <ali1234> wait revo isn't even arm, there's even less reason to build on the target
[14:25] <BigRedS> I found my current keyboard down the back of a filing cabinet about six years ago. Its RRP is ~£7
[14:26] <BigRedS> Oh, no, they're on ebay for a tenner
[14:26] <gord> ali1234, because i have stuff to do and wasting a few hours building on the revo is fine in comparison to wasting my time on the desktop
[14:26] <ali1234> BigRedS: i didn't pay for this kb, i wouldn't buy one
[14:26] <BigRedS> ali1234: aha. Yeah, much as I like the idea of a model M or whatever, turns out cheap old keyboarsd are pretty durable and reasonable to type on
[14:26] <diplo> You playing some special format gord ?
[14:27] <ali1234> i mean i wouldn't have bought one anyway, but now i know what they are like i *really* woldn't buy one
[14:27] <gord> diplo, 10bit encoded x264 video
[14:27] <ali1234> a model M is a cheap old keyboard
[14:27] <BigRedS> ah yeah, that's a good point
[14:27] <BigRedS> they're just not cheap now
[14:27] <ali1234> they're only expensive now because they are so rare
[14:27] <ali1234> some guy quotes me $30 plus shipping for 1 key spring
[14:28] <BigRedS> I am in the wrong bit of the computer industry
[14:28] <ali1234> which reminds me
[14:30] <popey> diplo: not too loud, only one fan on the cpu, and the disk
[14:35] <diplo> OK, well two of you now have one I feel safer
[14:35] <diplo> Can I ask what you guys have memory wise in your Revo's ?
[14:36] <AlanBell> diplo: the zoostorm is fine, not very noisy (it was replacing one that was at least equally noisy)
[14:36] <AlanBell> it is nice and fast
[14:36] <gord> i think i have 4gb somethings in my revo diplo - its pretty easy to replace
[14:36] <diplo> heh, I still have the standard 1gb
[14:36] <bigcalm> diplo: I have the maximum 4gb in my revo. But it won't use it all
[14:37] <diplo> Worried about upgrading with 12.04 and ram usage :)
[14:37] <diplo> Works fine on lucid with 1gb tbh
[14:37] <gord> my ram broke, new ram was so cheep that i bumped it up
[14:37] <bigcalm> I'll put 12.04 onto my revo when it's ready
[14:37] <popey> diplo: revo has 4GB here and an SSD
[14:37] <diplo> Only reason I haven't ordered yet is I always forgoet to check model before coming to work
[14:38] <diplo> and always forget at night with kids about
[14:38] <diplo> SSD :(
[14:38] <popey> why ☹
[14:38] <diplo> Stretch my budget just to far
[14:38] <popey> ahh
[14:38] <bigcalm> Yes, Revo will get an SSD also
[14:38] <diplo> Would love one for laptop/revo/other laptop
[14:38] <diplo> PC
[14:38] <diplo> Need some private work to treat myself really
[14:38] <bigcalm> I have a 120gb SSD sitting on my desk waiting for 12.04 to be ready
[14:38] <bigcalm> My laptop is panting in anticipation
[14:39] <diplo> Grrr, don't rub it in!
[14:39] <bigcalm> Save some pennies. They are _very_ slowly coming down in price
[14:40] <bigcalm> Once you use an SSD, you will never want to use an HDD again
[14:40] <gord> ehhhhhh
[14:40] <bigcalm> Well, I don't want to
[14:40] <gord> until you start hitting your memory limits and get frustrated ;)
[14:40] <diplo> I have two kids living at home on my own, not a lot of chance to save.. it's either CC and pay off over a few months or nothing at the mo
[14:41] <BigRedS> It seems like oodles of RAM. I'll not have a problem until I've had it and then had it taken away again.
[14:41] <BigRedS> so I'm just going to not buy one
[14:41] <BigRedS> and be happy with my spinning platters
[14:41] <gord> my ssd is mostly only good in two situations, boot up speed and building software. given that i suspend my laptop all the time and only build software on there when i'm out and about, not really hugely inclined atm
[14:41] <bigcalm> diplo: send the kids down the local mine
[14:42] <diplo> heh, would love to monetize them... a mine would be good with all the bloody energy they have at the mo!
[14:42] <diplo> Both have stonking colds and still running around like loonies yesterday at a play centre
[14:43] <gord> hamster wheels, save on the electricity
[14:51]  * popey stabs bug 936667 in the face
[14:53]  * BigRedS wants his sysvinit back
[14:53]  * popey wonders how to fix this
[14:54]  * popey appens --no-log
[14:59]  * bigcalm sadly gets out the laptop to test a windows only feature :(
[15:00] <bigcalm> 5 screens is not healthy
[15:00]  * diplo has 4 on the go :/
[15:01] <bigcalm> If the skype plugin 'click-to-call' worked in Linux, I wouldn't need my laptop right now
[15:01] <bigcalm> Damn you closed source systems!
[15:02] <bigcalm> I bet even Windows would boot quickly on an SSD
[15:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: well faster
[15:03] <gord> windows boots pretty quickly even on a HDD these days, or at least 7 does on my desktop machine
[15:03] <gord> not super quick, but quick enough that it doesn't bother me
[15:04] <bigcalm> After the password prompt, I'm still waiting for a useable system
[15:04] <gord> is that not just all the applications you have set to auto start?
[15:05] <gord> i keep my windows install just for steam very light on the auto starts
[15:05] <bigcalm> gord: it's probably the av taking its time
[15:05] <gord> stop downloading viruses :P
[16:25] <DJones> Here's a use for the Rasberry Pi http://torrentfreak.com/the-pirate-bays-attacks-censorship-with-server-drones-120318/ :) 1st April yet?
[16:29] <bigcalm> http://partners.rackspace.com/ working for anybody?
[16:30] <ali1234> nope
[16:30] <popey> Connection to 204.232.137.101 failed.
[16:30]  * bigcalm grumbles
[16:30] <bigcalm> Kind of puts you off buying from them
[16:31] <christel> yes, dont do it
[16:31] <christel> come to my movie premiere instead!
[16:31] <czajkowski> http://www.rackspace.com/partners/  that works
[16:32] <gord> ah, so it didn't work because bigcalm just made up a url ;)
[16:32] <bigcalm> http://www.rackspace.co.uk/partner-programme/partner-portal/
[16:32] <bigcalm> I followed the link from that page
[16:33] <bigcalm> gord: isn't that how URLs work in the interwebs?
[16:33] <gord> email webmaster@rackspace.com to inform them of their missing hyperlink!
[16:34] <DJones> Or just use the "live chat" with an operator to point out that you would have bought something from them, but because their system doesn't work, you'll be going elsewhere (unless they give you a discount)
[16:34] <czajkowski> the failed link gives you the correct url....
[16:35] <bigcalm> No it doesn't
[16:36] <bigcalm> That's not the login portal for partners
[16:37] <czajkowski> bigcalm: Additional suggestions:
[16:37] <czajkowski> Go to rackspace.­com/­partners/­
[16:37] <czajkowski> Go to rackspace.­com
[16:37] <bigcalm> Yes, only Chrome offers that for me
[16:38] <bigcalm> FireFox doesn't
[16:38] <czajkowski> bigcalm: use a propper browser :)
[16:39] <bigcalm> czajkowski: use a propper OS :P
[16:39] <czajkowski> I do
[16:39] <czajkowski> and my browser works also :)
[16:40] <bigcalm> So do mine. It's not the web browser at fault
[16:40] <bigcalm> It's all Linux's fault!
[16:40] <bigcalm> Rarrrr
[16:53] <daubers> personally, I blame it on the boogie
[16:54]  * BigRedS blames it on the good times
[16:55] <daubers> As long as we all agree not to blame it on the sunshine
[16:56]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski cause he hasn't in a while :P
[17:09] <christel> :o
[17:11] <kirrus> what's the freenode ops channel? I think I've found an IRC-botnet that uses a freenode channel as it's C&C
[17:12] <christel> #freenode -- though you're welcome to pm me if you want :)
[17:12] <kirrus> Cool :)
[17:14] <BigRedS> kirrus: no apostrophe!
[17:14] <BigRedS> Well, two of them are OK in that sentence, but not the third.
[17:16] <popey> can someone confirm bug 959505 pls
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> can I disable "Recently Used"?
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> I've already uninstalled zeitgeist
[17:18] <popey> ☺
[17:20] <kirrus> popey: just want someone to duplicate it, and then change bug status, right?
[17:20] <kirrus> If so, confirmed
[17:22] <popey> ta
[17:24] <AlanBell> I don't like recently used either
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: especially the defaulting on it
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> I don't mind that it's _there_
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> but the fact that all "File -> Open" and "File -> Save" dialogs start in it bugs me
[17:25] <popey> +1
[17:25] <AlanBell> yeah, it is mostly harmless, I just don't trust it
[17:25] <MartijnVdS> turning off "logging" (in the shiny new privacy screen) also doesn't disable it
[17:27] <AlanBell> I guess if I could see the path of things before opening them I would be happier
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: but you used it recently! you must know where it is
[17:28] <AlanBell> well not for certain
[17:28] <AlanBell> if I have a file called __openerp__.py that was used recently it could be in any of 124 different folders
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> Hmm, more "The Tube" tonight
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^
[17:29] <popey> the what?
[17:29] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dzm9y
[17:30] <popey> not seen any of that
[17:30] <popey> i should
[17:30]  * popey kicks get_iplayer
[17:31] <MartijnVdS> \o/ get_iplayer
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> uhr.. \o/ record_dvbstream
[17:56] <s-fox> Going running, goodbye
[18:02] <awilkins> Back at work one day. Tedium already seeping into bones.
[19:14] <AlanBell> oh la la http://www.le-libriste.fr/2012/03/ubuntu-unity-window-quicklists/
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's in Frenchish!
[19:28] <AlanBell> oui
[19:28] <jacobw> ja
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> si
[19:29] <jacobw> paralell
[19:30] <Azelphur> Random things, I was watching star trek TNG last night and Data said he has "800 quadrillion bits" of memory capacity, and he could perform 60 trillion computational operations per second. I took computational operations per second to be FLOPS. Worked it all out, Data has a 90,949TB HDD and a CPU 550 times as powerful as a hex core i7 960 XE \o/
[19:31] <jacobw> that's nice
[19:31] <jacobw> have you taken your medication today?
[19:31] <ali1234> but the starship enterprise on has 2TB
[19:31] <Azelphur> jacobw: no xD
[19:31] <ali1234> according to the first episode
[19:31] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha, bit of a discrepancy there
[19:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: & Spanish: http://www.atareao.es/ubuntu/software-para-tu-ubuntu/unity-window-quicklists-o-encontrar-la-ventana-que-buscas/
[19:32] <ali1234> yes. in the later series they switched to using meaningless made up words
[19:32] <jacobw> they deployed an enterprise storage solution ;)
[19:32] <jacobw> (i'm sorry)
[19:33] <Azelphur> haha
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: I must have been ready for the Enterprise
[19:33] <ali1234> gene roddenberry was all about trying to be realistic with the sci fi and use real stuff - but that ends up seeming dated. where as berman and that other guy were just like "this is dumb sci fi, let's make it stupid"
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> "Hurr-durr octoquads"
[19:34] <ali1234> exatly
[19:41] <ging> 7
[19:41] <ging> oops
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> ging: [7]?
[19:42] <ging> was flicking tabs
[19:42] <Azelphur> lol
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: ah you're a redditor ;)
[19:42] <Azelphur> I am?
[19:42] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I thought you understood the [7] :)
[19:42] <ging> note sure how i pressed enter
[19:42] <Azelphur> nope xD
[19:43] <gordonjcp> right, any openerp-ers about?
[19:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes gordonjcp
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: http://www.reddit.com/comments/dvwxd/what_do_the_singledigit_numbers_in_square/ :)
[19:44] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: aha, I'm just looking at your site
[19:44] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: so you reckon installing 6.1 instead of the stock packages?
[19:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[19:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> It depends on what you want really. It isn't hard to do from the source tarball and I find it easier to deal with mods and changes to OpenERP this way. You won't break dpkg.
[19:46] <gordonjcp> tbh I want a mostly fit-and-forget install
[19:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> I think something like sudo dpkg --force-depends install openerp-6,1.deb
[19:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you are on 10.04 you'll need to update werkzueg.
[19:47] <gordonjcp> ah, 11.04 server
[19:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> dunno on 11.04. But sudo pip install werkzeug will do it anyway.
[19:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> you need > 0.8 AIUI
[20:00] <gordonjcp> hmm
[20:00] <gordonjcp> tbh I think openerp is a bit heavyweight for what I want
[20:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> gordonjcp: what is it you want to do?
[20:08] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: I want a stock control system
[20:09] <gordonjcp> accounting would be good, but not necessary
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> OpenERP is rather good at that sort of thing. But with goodness comes some level of complexity and setting up. What stock are you managing?
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> btw - happy to discuss offline tomorrow is that suits.
[20:09] <gordonjcp> radio parts, and radios
[20:09] <gordonjcp> mostly
[20:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\if
[20:10] <gordonjcp> offline?
[20:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> meants off Ubuntu-uk.
[20:10] <gordonjcp> ah, okay
[20:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> or you could visit #openobject
[20:10] <gordonjcp> well I'll poke this some more, although I think I'll drop it back to 5 until I get my head around it
[20:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> 6.1 is *much* better
[20:11] <gordonjcp> hmm
[20:54] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Im not a poser, honest! - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/03/19/im-not-a-poser-honest/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=im-not-a-poser-honest