[05:38] <nonau> I've been testing the Beta disk of Xubuntu Pangolin as a live user.   I've noticed improvements in video, especially in full screen.  The incremental improvements are quite welcome.
[05:40] <nonau> I have noticed an artifact on the lower right hand corner in of the screen however.  Is this just my hardware using the open ati drivers or is it a known issue like the resize handle in the last development series?
[05:48] <nonau> I also see that the notification area applet is greyed out.  Is this a design decision or a bug?
[06:01] <pleia2> nonau: thanks for doing testing :) unfortunately you caught us while most of the devs are sleeping
[06:02] <pleia2> (and I'm almost there myeslf!)
[06:02] <nonau> pleia2:  You're quite welcome.   It is indeed unfortunate timing then. 
[06:03] <pleia2> nonau: I'd suggest submitting bugs in both cases, I'm not sure as to the answer to either question
[06:06] <nonau> pleia2: Are there any logs in particular which I should consider attaching then?  I've got some free time to do it now.
[06:07] <pleia2> nonau: perhaps a screenshot for both to demonstrate what you're talking about?
[06:07] <pleia2> I'm not sure beyond that
[06:09] <nonau> Alright, thank you.
[06:09] <pleia2> sure, sorry I couldn't be more helpful :)
[06:52] <nonau> bugs reported per request
[09:00] <ochosi> meh, where are those bugreports, i can't find them...
[09:00] <ochosi> pleia2: feel free to ping me whenever you're up on the audio-stuff :)
[09:47] <knome> when wife goes to work, i could look at the stuff too (just updated the laptop to most recent stuff yesterday)
[09:47] <ochosi> cool
[09:47] <ochosi> btw, are you one of those lp-wizards who could find the bugs reported by nonau earlier?
[09:47] <knome> i also have a popping sound from the speakers (probably something to do with power issues and the soundcard going off/on)
[09:47] <knome> i think i should look into that too...
[09:47] <ochosi> yeah, would be good to get that sorted for the lts
[09:48] <knome> that's probably about the hardware though
[09:48] <ochosi> yeah, could be
[09:48] <knome> most likely is
[09:48] <knome> there isn't almost a single hardware piece in that laptop that worked OOTB :P
[09:49] <ochosi> pff :)
[09:49] <knome> yeah.
[09:49] <ochosi> i guess then i can call myself lucky, because for my dell everything always worked ootb
[09:49] <knome> yup
[09:49] <knome> well, i suppose dell is better than most
[09:49] <ochosi> yeah, that cooperation between them and canonical at least bore that fruit
[09:50] <ochosi> (even if not financial revenue for canonical)
[09:50] <knome> ;)
[10:18] <technology_> so i noticed you guys changed the logo on a single person's vote
[10:19] <technology_> here's a discussion about it
[10:19] <technology_> http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/23645521
[10:19] <technology_> oh and here's a new one
[10:19] <technology_> http://i.imgur.com/madsR.png
[10:19] <technology_> although the old one was definitely best
[10:19] <technology_> well that's all i have to say
[10:20] <ochosi> technology_: hi
[10:21] <technology_> hi
[10:21] <ochosi> there is quite a lot of trolling noise in that discussion tbh
[10:21] <technology_> anonymity brings honesty
[10:22] <ochosi> i think you missed my point
[10:22] <ochosi> but anyway, the meetings are open
[10:22] <ochosi> so basically if you (or anyone else from that discussion on 4chan) wanted to attend it and vote, there would've been no stopping you
[10:22] <technology_> it's a messed up procedure to vote on important things at an IRC meeting at a certain time and date
[10:23] <technology_> should be a poll somewhere else
[10:23] <technology_> it passed by one vote, that makes no sense
[10:23] <ochosi> yeah, we discussed that again after that meeting
[10:23] <ochosi> the meeting procedure is one point of the argument, and i agree that should be re-thought
[10:24] <technology_> as should all votes that came from it..even a 12 hour window or 24 hour window for user input is more fair
[10:24] <technology_> imagine if we changed the american flag on the basis of one vote
[10:24] <ochosi> tbh there are hardly any design decisions in this distribution that are based on user input
[10:25] <ochosi> (i'm speaking mainly about artwork now)
[10:25] <ochosi> the main reason for that being that there is hardly any feedback
[10:25] <technology_> there's hardly any feedback due to the convoluted meeting structure
[10:25] <technology_> just finding this channel was a maze
[10:26] <knome> this channel isn't exactly hidden
[10:26] <ochosi> this, of course, can in part be blamed on us because we're probably not providing a good enough way for feedback
[10:26] <knome> neither is our mailing list
[10:26] <knome> to be fair, if you are at all connected with the development of xubuntu, you will know both exist
[10:26] <ochosi> but the other thing is that there aren't very many people who want to really get involved
[10:26] <Tadpole> irc discussions are too fleeting in nature, it's a good way for discussions, not feedback or voting
[10:27] <ochosi> Tadpole: why is it not a good way of giving feedback?
[10:27] <ochosi> technology_: feedback or input can be given at any time. meetings are just a way to get to formal decisions/reports about things
[10:28] <Tadpole> ochosi: the person that you want to reach may not be online
[10:28] <knome> if things like this matter to you so much, why aren't you more active on the places where development happens?
[10:28] <Tadpole> when that person comes online, (s)he can't see what was said
[10:28] <Tadpole> unless there are logs, ofc.
[10:28] <knome> no, there is logs
[10:28] <ochosi> Tadpole: theoretically yes, practically everyone can read logs
[10:29] <ochosi> Tadpole: also: most of us are always here and read their backlog when pinged
[10:29] <knome> seriously, the xubuntu development happens inside such a small group of people that irc is actually pretty fine
[10:29] <Tadpole> okay then, forget what I said
[10:29] <Tadpole> for stuff like voting, you'd still be better off with surveymonkey or something similar
[10:29] <knome> we've been trying to get hold of the community in the past, but we have never got any feedback
[10:30] <wutwutwut> ``What do you mean you didn't know the Earth was scheduled for destruction?  The proposal was filed in the planning office at Procyon Centauri barely four light-years away!''
[10:30] <knome> things like surveymonkey will allow skewed results
[10:30] <technology_> wutwutwut: fitting
[10:30] <ochosi> the thing is, i really appreciate both of you (Tadpole,technology_) speaking up, it's sometimes pretty silent in here. would be nice if you got involved somehow
[10:31] <knome> technology_, Tadpole: i agree with ochosi. i'd really like to get some feedback, but really, i'd like to get it BEFORE we do some changes
[10:31] <metalmatt13> I have a question...Is xubuntu free?
[10:31] <knome> metalmatt13, it is free of charge
[10:31] <technology_> uh believe it or not i monitor every meeting with this distribution; usually through the public logs
[10:32] <technology_> that's why i was surprised a big decision like this was made so quickly
[10:32] <metalmatt13> and if not is there any chance of it becoming free
[10:32] <metalmatt13> I mean free as in freedom
[10:32] <technology_> so i asked my friends about it and they were all surprised too, a lot of them actually use xubuntu
[10:32] <technology_> i have to go for a bit
[10:33] <yaknowthatguy> yo
[10:33] <knome> while anonymity might bring honesty, it also brings trolling. now, all of you from 4chan, stop trolling or you will find yourself out of this channel
[10:33] <yaknowthatguy> new logo looks weird
[10:37] <yaknowthatguy> question: why isn't xubuntu free?
[10:37] <knome> metalmatt13, please define "freedom" first
[10:37] <metalmatt13> This website has more info on it
[10:37] <metalmatt13> http://www.fsf.org/
[10:38] <knome> we do ship packages that are not free as defined by FSF. there is an installation option not to allow these packages to be installed, though, on the installer
[10:38] <metalmatt13> Here is a good link
[10:38] <metalmatt13> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html
[10:38] <metalmatt13> Alright
[10:38] <knome> is there anything else i can help you with?
[10:39] <metalmatt13> Nope that would be it
[10:39] <knome> yaknowthatguy, did you get your answer too, or should i try to clarify?
[10:39] <yaknowthatguy> nah it's cool
[10:39] <ochosi> :)
[10:40] <Mullins> hi
[10:40] <knome> hello
[10:40] <Mullins> i came here just to say that the new logo is terrible
[10:40] <Mullins> please don't change it
[10:40] <knome> thanks for the feedback
[10:40] <ochosi> anyway, just to get this to some constructive point: the new logo has been decided at an open meeting. if you want to be part of future decisions feel free to come here more often and contribute.
[10:40] <Mullins> seriously, just keep it the way it is
[10:40] <knome> the new logo has been uploaded to 12.04
[10:41] <Mullins> oh god
[10:41] <ochosi> s/god/good
[10:41] <knome> i encourage continuous contributing too :)
[10:41] <Mullins> you really should reconsider
[10:41] <Charit> thats bad news.
[10:42] <Mullins> once it goes public you'll get even more negative feedback
[10:42] <knome> as ochosi said, it's been decided at an open meeting
[10:42] <Mullins> how many voted?
[10:42] <Mullins> and what was the margin?
[10:42] <knome> 5 people vote, with a margin of one, iirc, but that's not weird in the very small community.
[10:42] <yaknowthatguy> 5 people? That's not much at all.
[10:42] <Mullins> 5 people?
[10:42] <ochosi> yeah, if you follow the development of xubuntu, this will not surprise you
[10:43] <knome> yaknowthatguy, metalmatt13: that's like about how many people involve in the xubuntu development
[10:43] <ochosi> there aren't many more people doing the work :)
[10:43] <knome> + a few
[10:43] <mr_pouit> that's the average number of voters, it has always been like that
[10:43] <metalmatt13> Do you think in the future there will be a re vote?
[10:43] <knome> metalmatt13, most possibly not in the near future.
[10:43] <metalmatt13> ok
[10:43] <ochosi> i think the next (sensible) chance to change the logo again is the next lts
[10:43] <knome> maybe the next time we are choosing a new logo
[10:44] <knome> ochosi, that's most probably true, it was 2 years (the last LTS) when we changed the last time :)
[10:44] <Mullins> guys, LXDE is starting to gain on you. you can't just change things right now
[10:44] <yaknowthatguy> Should of asked what the public thought, the users ya know.
[10:44] <Mullins> please keep the logo as it was before
[10:44] <Mullins> you have no idea how many people get mad over this
[10:44] <knome> Mullins, err, i'm happy if lxde does well, it's not a fight
[10:44] <metalmatt13> I don't beleive the logo is that big of a deal
[10:44] <ochosi> yaknowthatguy: that is really difficult, ya know :)
[10:45] <ochosi> metalmatt13: +1
[10:45] <mr_pouit> there's no competition between lubuntu and xubuntu (at least from the developers' pov)
[10:45] <yaknowthatguy> how?
[10:45] <metalmatt13> and xfce and lxde try two completely different things
[10:45] <Mullins> you guys have to treat this like a competition
[10:45] <knome> Mullins, no, we don't, and we won't
[10:45] <Mullins> everybody knows xfce is better 
[10:45] <ochosi> Mullins: i disagree, i'm doing this in my free time without any financial gain. why should i compete? i'd rather cooperate with them
[10:45] <knome> Mullins, it is not a competition, it is about providing the best possible OS we can, and lubuntu does the same
[10:45] <Mullins> lxde is not enough, period
[10:45] <knome> Mullins, then don't use lxde
[10:46] <metalmatt13> It's preference, but I personally love xfce way more, lxde is a little more light weight though
[10:46] <metalmatt13> not bay far though
[10:46] <metalmatt13> by*
[10:46] <Mullins> im just trying to warn you that this will make people upset when it goes stable
[10:46] <ochosi> yaknowthatguy: well for one, the mailinglist and the irc channel are pretty silent. not many people want to get involved
[10:46] <Mullins> this is just the beginning
[10:46] <ochosi> Mullins: "this"?
[10:46] <yaknowthatguy> A poll on the site?
[10:46] <knome> Mullins, we got your point.
[10:47] <metalmatt13> Mullins: I think there are more things to worry about in a distribution than the logo.
[10:47] <metalmatt13> It's just a small cosmetic feature
[10:47] <knome> the idea of voting in xubuntu is not meant to be anonymous as in 4chan - the idea is to have the USERS of xubuntu vote
[10:47] <Mullins> i understand that the logo isnt a huge deal, but you need to understand that geeks freak out over everything
[10:47] <metalmatt13> Which, I'm sure you could change yourself if you really dislike it
[10:47] <knome> that's why most of the ideas are born dead - if we had 100 votes, i'd be worried about all of them coming from xubuntu users
[10:47] <knome> Mullins, okay, we get that, can you move on?
[10:48] <yaknowthatguy> so like if a professional graphic designer that has been in the industry for years and years means less than a guy that used xubuntu for a few minutes?
[10:48] <knome> no.
[10:48] <knome> they should have the same weight on voting.
[10:48] <knome> but if you are not a xubuntu user, then why should you be able to vote?
[10:49] <ochosi> yup, that's why there should be restrictions like being on the launchpad xubuntu-users team
[10:49] <knome> does the public people decide which logo apple will use?
[10:49] <yaknowthatguy> was there an a message on the homepage announcing this?
[10:49] <wutwutwut> My opinion: the new logo sucks, but if you did a massive community poll for every minor change you'd never get anything done.
[10:49] <ochosi> knome: are you feeding trolls? :)
[10:49] <herpaderp01> I'd just like to interject for a moment and say that I agree with Mullins, the new logo hardly resembles a mouse at all. 
[10:50] <ochosi> wutwutwut: yup
[10:50] <yaknowthatguy> that's different, apple isn't a community based thing.
[10:50] <knome> yaknowthatguy, there was a message on the twitter feed and there was the usual call for meeting in the mailing list.
[10:50] <Mullins> it looks like a gnome foot
[10:50] <Mullins> its not unique at all
[10:50] <knome> ochosi, you're right :)
[10:50] <knome> Mullins, thanks for the feedback. is there anything else we can help you with?
[10:50] <yaknowthatguy> @xubuntu?
[10:50] <meetingology> yaknowthatguy: Error: "xubuntu?" is not a valid command.
[10:50] <Mullins> nobody can tell the icon is a mouse
[10:51] <knome> yaknowthatguy, @xubuntulinux
[10:51] <Mullins> it looks like a gnome foot
[10:51] <knome> Mullins, thank you.
[10:51] <knome> the feedback is appreciated
[10:52] <Mullins> you guys should hold a vote for the public if you want real feedback
[10:52] <Mullins> this irc room is honest
[10:52] <knome> Mullins, the meeting was open
[10:52] <knome> Mullins, the meeting was held in this honest, as you say, irc room.
[10:52] <yaknowthatguy> A twitter with 250 people following is better than the site which has a much broader view?
[10:52] <Mullins> the meeting was open but only 5 people voted
[10:52] <ochosi> Mullins: feel free to propose a new voting procedure at the next meeting :)
[10:52] <Mullins> you should have the users vote
[10:52] <mr_pouit> (and again, that's the average number of voters)
[10:53] <Mullins> not if you put a poll on xubuntu.com
[10:53] <Mullins> please try it
[10:53] <knome> as i've said before, we have announced the meeting, and to be fair, anybody at least remotely tied with the xubuntu development will know of the mailing list, which got the email about the meeting along with a link to the agenda
[10:53] <mr_pouit> (so it's fine when you agree with the decisions, but worth a post on 4chan when you disagree...)
[10:54] <knome> to whomever posting the question about the new logo in small sizes on 4chan; yes, the new logo will work better on small sizes
[10:54] <yaknowthatguy> Why not? Asking others if they agree with them.
[10:55] <Mullins> it works better on small sizes im sure, but it doesnt even look like a mouse/rat anymore
[10:55] <Mullins> it looks like a gnome foot
[10:55] <Mullins> you have to retain your identity
[10:55] <Mullins> keep it looking like a cute mouse/rat
[10:55] <Mullins> people like that kind of thing
[10:55] <knome> Mullins, one more time, thanks for the feedback. if there is nothing new you can bring to the discussion, please stop repeating
[10:56] <Mullins> this is the only discussion that is happening
[10:56] <knome> exactly, and we've heard your opinion
[10:56] <knome> no-one is even disagreeing it
[11:00] <technology_> I find the statistics at popcon (http://popcon.ubuntu.com/by_inst) very interesting, 111,071 xubuntu installs (going by installs of the meta package xubuntu-default-settings) and yet 5 votes or less on most matters...i think some things should still be discussed here but not everyone can get to a meeting in IRC at a set time...more important issues should be brought to a web poll with one vote per IP, or maybe a vote on launchp
[11:01] <knome> technology_, as mr_pouit brought out before, 5 votes is about the count we have decided on other things too before, since there hasn't been more active community members
[11:02] <mr_pouit> we welcome people who want to get involved, unfortunately, not so many :(
[11:02] <technology_> Anyway, I'm glad my 4chan thread could allow some members of the communityt to know more about the development process and maybe some of us can get involved...I was not aware that there was much to do in a distro that's mainly art and merging of upstream xfce changes
[11:02] <knome> i completely agree with the thing that the voting system should be changed - this is why it is on my list for the Q cycle
[11:03] <Mullins> i agree with technology. a vote should be put on a website somewhere.
[11:04] <knome> as long as it can be hooked to launchpad and the xubuntu-users group, it's an option
[11:05] <knome> i don't think there is a wordpress plugin to do that though, and judging on the contributor quantity, it looks like i had to write that, and i'm not sure if it's reasonable to use that much time for that only
[11:05] <ochosi> hehe
[11:06] <knome> oh, too bad he got uninterested. he could've written the plugin.
[11:06] <yaknowthatguy> Why do they have to be xubuntu users anyways?
[11:06] <knome> currently, joining the group is open
[11:06] <knome> and most probably will be in the future as well
[11:06] <technology_> knome: this is very simple, file a bug report on launchpad each time, have voting in the comments for 24 hours, close the bug report
[11:06] <technology_> only xubuntu-users can vote on it
[11:07] <technology_> there's no need to do anything else, only to extend the amount of time that xubuntu-users and xubuntu-developers can vote
[11:07] <ochosi> technology_: why not propose that at the next meeting and discuss it?
[11:07] <knome> technology_, that's not very efficient
[11:07] <technology_> because i can't be here at the meetings, they're at a bad time for me
[11:07] <ochosi> anyway, it's been nice to see some discussions in here, i'm off to do some work
[11:07] <knome> see you later ochosi 
[11:08] <ochosi> see you
[11:08] <knome> technology_, extending the voting time is a good idea
[11:09] <technology_> knome: i don't see how that's not efficient, there's what, one or two vote issues every week
[11:09] <technology_> you can even script it
[11:09] <knome> imo, the best option would clearly be voting integrated to launchpad
[11:09] <knome> technology_, who does count the comments?
[11:10] <knome> technology_, how to make sure there is no irrelevant comments, or flaming?
[11:10] <technology_> well like you said it shouldn't be hard to count five or so comments
[11:10] <technology_> this way it might only get up to 10
[11:11] <technology_> knome: i can work on a userscript if you'd like to search for the text "Vote for option n" in each comment and not count two votes from the same user...comments without this text will be ignored
[11:11] <knome> what was the popcon statistics comment about then? i thought you were suggesting we could get 111k votes.
[11:11] <technology_> no, i'm just saying 111k people use xubuntu
[11:11] <technology_> so for a dev team to be this small, it's pretty strange
[11:11] <technology_> that was my comment
[11:11] <knome> no, that's not the point. afaik there is no way to restrict commenting to single or a few groups only in LP
[11:11] <knome> and bugs are not really the right way to go for voting, bugs are for bugs
[11:12] <Mullins> I'm all for a public vote on http://xubuntu.org/
[11:13] <technology_> it could work if limited to one vote/IP range
[11:13] <knome> Mullins, as i said, once it's possible to hook that with LP, it's an option
[11:13] <knome> technology_, no, LP doesn't have that technology
[11:13] <yaknowthatguy> Repeating my comment.  Why do they have to be xubuntu users anyways?
[11:13] <knome> yaknowthatguy, that's what reads in the strategy document, written by a previous project lead
[11:13] <knome> and i agree with that
[11:13] <Mullins> because that makes the most sense
[11:14] <technology_> uh knome if i could just direct your attention to something
[11:14] <technology_> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users
[11:14] <technology_> there's a polls thing right to the right of the page
[11:14] <technology_> does this not work?
[11:14] <technology_> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users/+poll/xubuntu-panel-layout
[11:14] <technology_> look there even was a poll once in 2008
[11:14] <technology_> looks like the votes were purged
[11:15] <knome> technology_, i suppose it does; tbh, we haven't looked much into this public voting, since there hasn't been any feedback
[11:15] <mr_pouit> the lp team disabled team polls in 2011, but apparently they reenabled them...
[11:15] <technology_> it's an option
[11:15] <technology_> do you mind if i write about it to the mailing list?
[11:15] <knome> yes, it definitely is an option once we get to discuss the voting
[11:16] <knome> technology_, please do
[11:16] <mr_pouit> (http://blog.launchpad.net/general/team-polls-restored-but-future-is-unclear)
[11:16] <knome> mmh
[11:16] <technology_> alright, i'll research it more
[11:16] <knome> we'd have to check if polling is suddenly going to disappear again...
[11:16] <technology_> for now i have to go to work
[11:16] <technology_> if a large team was using it they wouldn't remove it
[11:16] <wutwutwut> Warning: incoming /b/tard.
[11:16] <technology_> as in really using it
[11:16] <technology_> i don't think anyone's using it currently
[11:16] <knome> "It is also not possible to contact every member of team in Launchpad. How do team members ever know when a team admin creates a poll?"
[11:16] <knome> ^ doesn't sound good
[11:17] <technology_> if they're active in development
[11:17] <technology_> then they know
[11:17] <knome> doesn't sound any different than sending an email to ML
[11:17] <mr_pouit> (but if you post the link to the poll on the mailing list, might work)
[11:17] <knome> if they are, they already know
[11:17] <technology_> it just opens up a time
[11:17] <knome> since it's posted to the development mailing list
[11:17] <technology_> but they can't vote at the time
[11:17] <technology_> anyway, ill write more on the ml
[11:17] <yaknowthatguy> Development mailing list?
[11:17] <technology_> for now i need to leave
[11:17] <knome> yaknowthatguy, yes
[11:18] <yaknowthatguy> Wasn't this for the general xubuntu user?
[11:18] <knome> yaknowthatguy, yes, but the developer mailing list is for development issues
[11:18] <knome> yaknowthatguy, -users list is for support
[11:18] <yaknowthatguy> Well yea.
[11:18] <knome> yaknowthatguy, and everybody is free to join the -devel list
[11:18] <yaknowthatguy> I know.
[11:19] <knome> so those who are interested in development, should be subscribed anyway to -devel
[11:20] <wutwutwut> http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1332155280443.png
[11:21] <knome> hmm, interesting artistic impression. i thought one cheek only had one eye
[11:22] <wutwutwut> I think it's meant to be a bunny, facing the opposite direction from the mouse.
[11:23] <knome> http://images.4chan.org/g/src/1332150994403.jpg <- THAT looks like a bunny
[11:42] <HechtiQ> hey
[11:42] <knome> hello
[13:20] <knome> hey GridCube 
[13:35] <GridCube> knome, sorry, did you said something? my internets are failing on me
[13:36] <ochosi> GridCube: you didn't miss anything since "hey GridCube" :)
[13:36] <GridCube> oh ok :) thanks ochosi 
[13:36] <ochosi> np
[13:47] <astraljava> Hiya GridC ... (Read Error: Connection reset by peer)
[13:47] <ochosi> lol
[14:18] <knome> GridCube, hai
[14:19] <GridCube> hai :P
[14:19] <GridCube> im figthing against my proxy
[14:24] <astraljava> That's one abstract fight indeed.
[14:27] <astraljava> knome: re: bugs, and especially bugmail, being a member of Xubuntu Team makes me automatically subscribed to the majority of it, right?
[14:27] <knome> should
[14:28] <mr_pouit> ~xubuntu-bugs is better I think
[14:28] <mr_pouit> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs
[14:28] <knome> hmm, three members
[14:29] <ochosi> hey leo-unglaub 
[14:29] <astraljava> Yeah, maybe ~xubuntu-team should be a subteam of it?
[14:30] <astraljava> Or would that be too much?
[14:30] <mr_pouit> no, most people don't want all the bugmail
[14:30] <mr_pouit> ... I think
[14:30] <knome> astraljava, looks like xubuntu team WAS a member
[14:30] <mr_pouit> (that was the reason for the separate team)
[14:30] <knome> yeah, what i'm getting from xubuntu-team and ubuntustudio-devel is enough :P
[14:30] <astraljava> Well, I joined it now.
[14:43]  * Myrtti waves hand to knome
[14:43] <Myrtti> tara
[15:06] <Pjotr> Hi, I have a question about lightdm-gtk-greeter in Xubuntu 12.04
[15:06] <Pjotr> As some of you may know, I'm a translator of the Ubuntu Dutch Translators team. In Xubuntu 11.10, we have fully translated lightdm-gtk-greeter into Dutch.
[15:07] <Pjotr> But in Xubuntu 12.04, everything in the greeter is in English again. And I can't find out where to translate it... Does anybody know?
[15:07] <mr_pouit> https://launchpad.net/lightdm-gtk-greeter
[15:08] <mr_pouit> you need to bug the maintainer until he sets up things correctly in launchpad...
[15:08] <mr_pouit> good luck, he's very hard to reach :]
[15:09] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: Would that be Robert Ancell?
[15:10] <mr_pouit> yes
[15:10]  * knome is waiting "i'm his neighbour!"
[15:10] <knome> but that's not going to happen..
[15:11] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: Maybe you know in which IRC channel Robert Ancell usually hangs out?
[15:11] <knome> Pjotr, none :|
[15:12] <ochosi> Pjotr: i tried to contact him ~2weeks back, no answer until now (via email)
[15:12] <ochosi> maybe you have more luck via a bugreport...
[15:13] <Pjotr> OK.... I'll file a bug report and let you know, so that you can support it
[15:13] <ochosi> good plan
[15:14] <mr_pouit> Pjotr: if you still have no answer after the beta 2 release, ping me about that
[15:15] <Pjotr> There are other team members in the LightDM Development Team, besides Robert Ancell. Has anybody tried contacting one of those: https://launchpad.net/~lightdm-team
[15:15] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: thanks, will do that. :-)
[15:16] <mr_pouit> most of them are working on ubuntu-desktop/unity, so not on the gtk-greeter (only unity-greeter)
[15:24] <mr_pouit> I'm working on that with didrocks
[15:27] <Pjotr> OK, here's the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/959397
[15:27] <Pjotr> Support is welcome. :-)
[15:27] <ochosi> Pjotr: ok, bumped status to "confirmed" ;)
[15:31] <Pjotr> Another matter: Xubuntu 12.04 has a great new addition: a menu editor. Thanks, guys! :-)
[15:31] <Pjotr> I would like to improve the Dutch translation of this menu editor. But I can't find it in Launchpad... Does anybody know?
[15:31] <ochosi> it's alacarte
[15:32] <mr_pouit> hop, I created a team for the gtk greeter, and didrocks gave admin rights to it
[15:32] <ochosi> (it's mostly alacarte working again with the xfce menu)
[15:32] <Pjotr> ochosi: thanks. :-)
[15:32] <ochosi> yw
[15:37] <mr_pouit> I'll set up translations this evening
[15:38] <Pjotr> mr_pouit: Great! Thank you.
[15:38] <astraljava> mr_pouit: Wouldn't hurt if someone from US team joined it, no?
[15:39] <Pjotr> One last issue: I'm also an upstream translator for Xfce. Upstream at Xfce, I tried to convince Nick to do a new release of xfce4-power-manager, solely for getting the new Dutch translation downstream (which has been waiting for almost a year now).
[15:39] <Pjotr> Apparently he's not enthusiastic about it, because he doesn't want to release old goodies without new application code.
[15:39] <Pjotr> Is there still a way of getting the drastically improved Dutch translation into xfce4-power-manager in Xubuntu 12.04?
[16:03] <mr_pouit> I set up translatations
[16:03] <mr_pouit> erf, too late
[16:32] <pleia2> knome: did the 32-bit images stop building the same day we switched to non-pae?
[16:33] <pleia2> ochosi: my laptop doesn't have a mute button :( but if there are other tests I can do...
[16:33] <pleia2> I'm working right now, but can squeeze things in as needed
[16:33] <ochosi> pleia2: hey!
[16:34] <ochosi> well if xfce4-mixer still works and we still get notifications from that, that's already one good thing to know
[16:34] <pleia2> yep, that worked fine
[16:34] <ochosi> i'll try to set up an install today or tomorrow
[16:34] <ochosi> to test the mute-button thingy
[16:34] <ochosi> oh in fact there might be something else you could test
[16:35] <ochosi> after following these instructions, does xfce4-mixer still work as expected: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xfce4-volumed/+bug/883485/comments/3
[16:35] <ochosi> and does the sound-indicator stillwork
[16:36] <pleia2> is /active-card a placeholder or an actual thing?
[16:36] <ochosi> it's the name of the xfconf-property you're setting with the command
[16:37] <ochosi> you can do the same thing by going to menu>settings>settings editor and then select xfce4-mixer on the left and change the value of the property active-card on the right
[16:38] <ochosi> this is what it looks like by default: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03192012-053800pm.php
[16:39] <ochosi> and this is what it should look like: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03192012-053923pm.php
[16:39] <ochosi> probably you have to restart your session though
[16:44] <pleia2> ok
[16:44] <ochosi> ty!
[16:49] <pleia2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/890909/
[16:50] <pleia2> didn't actually seem to make any changes, and the mixer still works fine
[16:50] <ochosi> humm, could you look at the settings editor and check the values there just to be sure?
[16:51] <pleia2> active card in the settings manager is showing HDAATISBAlsamixer
[16:51] <ochosi> a-ha
[16:51] <ochosi> then please set it to PlaybackInternalAudioAnalogStereoPulseAudioMixer there
[16:52] <pleia2> it doesn't stick
[16:52] <ochosi> weird
[16:52] <ochosi> any error message?
[16:52] <pleia2> I add it, navigate away from that pane in the Xfconf editor, then go back and it's back to HDAA
[16:52] <pleia2> nope
[16:52] <ochosi> are you on a live-system?
[16:53] <pleia2> no, installed on disk
[16:53] <ochosi> strange
[16:53] <ochosi> then i guess you can't test that. at least i wouldn't wanna hassle you into trying with sudo...
[16:53] <pleia2> I can do it as sudo
[16:53] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ^ is there a good reason a user can't edit xfconf properties?
[16:54] <ochosi> pleia2: yeah, but i'm not 100% sure of the consequences, so...
[16:54] <pleia2> Property "/active-card" does not exist on channel "xfce4-mixer".  If a new
[16:54] <pleia2> property should be created, use the --create option.
[16:54] <pleia2> ^^ it's not happy anyway
[16:54] <pleia2> that's with sudo
[16:55] <ochosi> but the property exists according to the settings-editor?
[16:55] <pleia2> yep
[16:55] <pleia2> it didn't give that error as my normal user
[16:55] <ochosi> probably the property doesn't exist for root
[16:55] <ochosi> but exists for the normal user
[16:55]  * pleia2 nods
[16:56] <ochosi> (just guessing)
[17:17] <pleia2> I'm now a manager on that G+ page (he was happy to share, even give it to us, but I asked him to remain owner and just add me as a manager)
[17:18] <ochosi> cool
[17:19] <ochosi> how did you find out who owns it?
[17:20] <pleia2> made a post that I only shared with Xubuntu
[17:20] <ochosi> ah, clever :)
[17:21] <ochosi> do you think we can motivate him to do more blogging on xubuntu's behalf?
[17:21] <pleia2> I hope so
[17:21] <pleia2> he seemed excited about being a part of it all :)
[17:21] <ochosi> cool
[17:22] <ochosi> it's really hard sometimes to communicate with people who aren't on irc
[17:22] <ochosi> (or instant-messaging in general)
[17:51] <GridCube> how do i know wich release version im testing?
[17:52] <GridCube> in the iso.qa tracker says the current is 2012319.1 but how do i know if thats the one i zsyncked 2 hours ago?
[18:13] <knome> pleia2, most probably yes, but cjwatson has looked into it today, fixed it, and we should have new builds again
[18:13] <GridCube> :/ i dont know if i got an answer to my question, of it even got posted, how do i know wich version of the iso i just tested?
[18:14] <knome> GridCube, i don't know
[18:14] <knome> GridCube, there ought to be some kind of sign, but...
[18:15] <knome> i've asked that from #ubuntu-release
[18:15] <GridCube> oh i just tried to zsync it again and it said i have 100% of the file so i bet i have the last one :D
[18:15] <knome> there's no new i386 builds since march 15, unless maybe today :)
[18:16] <GridCube> i had to zsynck more thant 75% of the file :P
[18:16] <knome> mm-hmm.
[18:18] <GridCube> i can not connect to the internet with todays iso, i've installed it to a vbox so it might not be recognizing it?
[18:18] <GridCube> the mouse integration stoped working a long ago also
[18:19] <GridCube> the logos are the old good ones
[18:19] <knome> uggh, report those to the tracker and post me the links and i can try to get them some publicity
[18:19] <knome> hmm, maybe you have the iso from march 15
[18:19] <GridCube> ok
[18:19] <GridCube> :)
[18:19] <knome> when is the last time you zsynced?
[18:19] <GridCube> 3 hours ago
[18:19] <GridCube> and retried just now
[18:19] <knome> right...
[18:22] <knome> well, i don't know
[18:22] <knome> the new logo is in, at least in my wife's laptop with precise and upgraded to most recent version
[18:23]  * GridCube doesnt know, he just installed the iso :(
[18:23] <knome> at least it was in in plymouth...
[18:23] <GridCube> nope
[18:23] <GridCube> i was happy to see the old logo at least one last time
[18:23] <knome> weird. poke mr_pouit, the joke's on him now :P
[18:24] <knome> (i've provided all the files and made him confirm it's uploaded)
[18:27] <knome> GridCube, now listen carefully :)=
[18:27] <knome> 20:26  sbeattie: 'isoinfo -x /.disk/info -J -i /path/to/iso' should give the build information encoded in the iso.
[18:31] <GridCube> :D
[18:31] <GridCube> 20120201.1
[18:31] <GridCube> thats the iso on the zsynck source i used
[18:32] <astraljava> Not outdated at all.
[18:32] <astraljava> 1.5+ months.
[18:32] <GridCube> D:
[18:33] <knome> BFF
[18:33] <GridCube> well i just used the usual zsync file i always used
[18:33] <knome> and i DON'T mean "best friends forever" with that acronym
[18:33] <GridCube> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/
[18:33] <GridCube> from here
[18:34] <knome> huho?
[18:34] <knome> clearly says 19-Mar-2012 there though.
[18:34] <astraljava> Yeah, something's off.
[18:35] <GridCube> :/
[18:35] <GridCube> i dunno
[18:35] <GridCube> bug  #959581
[18:35] <knome> GridCube, and that's added to the iso tracker too?
[18:36] <GridCube> not yet
[18:36] <knome> anyway, that's the one i think is low priority
[18:36] <GridCube> i don't know if to report the test
[18:36] <knome> not being able to connect to internet is worse
[18:36] <knome> GridCube, mm-hmm.
[18:36] <GridCube> because it obviously its not the one that im suppose to be doing
[18:36] <GridCube> or reporting for that matter
[18:36] <knome> it would be great if you could download the iso for today whatsoever
[18:37] <knome> because of the non-pae kernel
[18:37] <knome> we need tests for that
[18:37] <GridCube>  yes that was part of the things that got me thinking about what version i was installing because it said that i was installing a pae kernel, and then the logos where the old ones and so on
[18:38] <knome> :)
[18:41] <GridCube> and the md5 checksums do not coincide :/
[18:41] <knome> weird...
[18:41] <GridCube> well i dont know if to report
[18:41] <GridCube> so i wont
[18:41] <GridCube> i have to go now :/
[18:42] <knome> ok, np
[18:42] <knome> have fun
[18:44] <astraljava> I can give it a spin on vbox, after I finish watching the King's Speech.
[18:45] <knome> astraljava, thanks. remember to choose i386 :)
[18:46] <astraljava> Alrighty.
[18:46] <astraljava> Oh, live or alternate?
[18:51] <ochosi> wow. pretty hefty email from charlie
[18:51] <pleia2> :(
[19:34] <astraljava> :-/ Not even sure what to think about that.
[19:44] <scott-work> indeed ochosi 
[19:47] <astraljava> knome: live or alternate?
[19:48] <knome> astraljava, i don't think it matters
[19:53] <astraljava> knome: Actually, if I am not too tired, I'll give them both a go.
[19:53] <astraljava> I plan on watching the Ducks game at 4 am., so I'll have plenty of time if it happens. :)
[19:55] <knome> :)
[20:13] <astraljava> netcfg on i386 alternate fails to read Wpasupplicant pid file.
[20:13] <knome> astraljava, is ther a bug for that?
[20:14] <knome> +e
[20:14] <astraljava> Neither NAT nor bridged works.
[20:14] <astraljava> I'll check, hold on.
[20:17] <astraljava> Hmm... should have been fixed already for oneiric.
[20:17] <astraljava> Strange.
[20:17] <knome> huh.
[20:17] <knome> are you using an old image too ?:P
[20:18] <knome> aaand i think i'm off for now. see you all later
[20:19] <knome> astraljava, btw, if it still exists, file/find a bug and paste the bug # here, i will find out what's going on
[20:21] <astraljava> Yeah, I'll spend a little more time still before giving up on it. :)
[20:51] <astraljava> knome: It seems to be a vbox issue, it doesn't seem to find my wireless adapter at all.
[21:01] <astraljava> knome: I had never heard of testdrive, just accidentally stumbled upon it right now. Looks like a seriously handy tool, if it works. :)
[21:11] <knome> humm, what's that?
[21:13] <astraljava> testdrive, gives you a nice and clean interface without any hassles of looking for links etc. You can configure it to use any distro/flavor, any archs, sync and then launch the virt software of your choice.
[21:14] <knome> right
[21:23] <astraljava> knome: Yeah, it was a vbox issue, qemu goes past that stage.
[21:26] <knome> right
[21:27] <knome> maybe something related to the guest additions
[21:29] <astraljava> I don't know, never really liked vbox. I used vmware back in the day, now too lazy to install it as it's not in the archives. :)
[21:45] <ochosi> astraljava: are you old enough to use the phrase "back in the day"? :)
[21:57] <mr_pouit> I installed daily-live 20120319.1 in vbox and there was the new logo, and the non-pae kernel (I didn't enable pae in vbox and it worked)
[21:59] <astraljava> 34, but I mean like 7 years ago, when there were no virt packages in the archives.
[22:02] <ochosi> :)
[22:02] <knome> mr_pouit, shiny.
[22:04] <ochosi> mr_pouit: sorry, still haven't gotten round to check the sound-stuff, a few new fixes for greybird got in the way :/
[22:06] <ochosi> what the heck
[22:06] <ochosi> gedit is using a widget i've never seen before :/
[22:06] <knome> heh, congrats
[22:07] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03192012-110710pm.php
[22:07] <knome> well that looks...
[22:07] <knome> grey?
[22:07] <knome> that's not nice
[22:07] <ochosi> weird
[22:07] <ochosi> it obviously uses symbolic icons
[22:08] <ochosi> but they're coloured wrongly
[22:08] <knome> heh
[22:08] <ochosi> the buttons look okay-ish, but the icons are wrong
[22:08] <knome> :D
[22:08] <ochosi> so something is wrong in the gtk3 code :(
[22:08] <ochosi> bah
[22:09] <ochosi> stupid ambiance
[22:09] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03192012-110903pm.php
[22:09] <ochosi> everything is working there :'(
[22:09] <knome> D:
[22:09] <ochosi> anyhoo, i've got to watch another episode, chew a few more cookies and drink another glass of red wine before i can face this
[22:10] <knome> :D
[22:10] <knome> hf
[22:10] <ochosi> the scale is half-done though
[22:10] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03192012-111016pm.php
[22:10] <ochosi> plus the stupid separator is removed from the comboboxes
[22:10] <knome> heh
[22:10] <ochosi> anyhoo, bbl
[22:10] <knome> feels like you've had a great time!
[22:11] <knome> err, maybe "sounds"
[22:11] <knome> :P
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah, i'll _never_ port bluebird to gtk3
[22:11] <ochosi> (this is kinda a promise)
[22:11] <knome> :<
[22:11] <knome> even when gtk3 is more stable?
[22:11] <ochosi> with this much shit going down every release, i don't have time for anything else
[22:11] <ochosi> at least as long as i'm on my own
[22:11] <knome> well, shit is going down, what ever you do ;)
[22:12] <ochosi> i do realize that
[22:12] <knome> unless you poop head-down
[22:12]  * knome hides
[22:12] <ochosi> still, it sucks
[22:12] <knome> i guess it sucks more that way :D
[22:12] <ochosi> i feel like cleaning up throughout the freeze-zone
[22:12] <ochosi> before that there's two months of quiet where nothing much happens
[22:12] <ochosi> or if it does, better not react, because it'll change anyway after the first freeze
[22:13] <knome> true
[22:13] <ochosi> so it's always a cat-and-mouse game of trying to fix everything within the last few weeks
[22:13] <knome> the freeze time is kind of... bleh
[22:13] <ochosi> sry, i'm really kinda angry right now
[22:13] <astraljava> knome: Does that look like expected? http://astraljava.kapsi.fi/xubuntu_20120319.png
[22:13] <knome> really hard to get excited about the new release since you can't do *anything* without asking in the last two months :)
[22:14] <astraljava> Otherwise the system seemed to work fine.
[22:14] <ochosi> astraljava: yup, apart from the panel-layout
[22:14] <ochosi> oh
[22:14] <knome> yup.
[22:14] <knome> that's probably native
[22:14] <ochosi> that's your panel underneath the QUEMU :)
[22:14] <knome> the bottom panel :)
[22:14] <ochosi> btw, that reminds me
[22:14] <knome> hmmh, that reminds me
[22:14] <knome> ;)
[22:14] <knome> ...too
[22:14] <ochosi> we wanted to replace the time-plugin by the datetime-plugin
[22:15] <ochosi> has that happened? mr_pouit ^
[22:15] <knome> what if we added a few px padding to the logo?
[22:15] <ochosi> again?
[22:15] <knome> yeah.
[22:15] <knome> i KNOW it's UIFe again but
[22:15] <astraljava> So it's supposed to be that gray?
[22:15] <knome> i just realized
[22:15] <ochosi> astraljava: what is? the terminal?
[22:15] <knome> https://launchpad.net/debian-cd needs updating too
[22:15] <knome> astraljava, yes, that's our new terminal color scheme
[22:15] <ochosi> knome: yes, and the logos on the launchpad groups
[22:16] <knome> astraljava, handmade by knome
[22:16] <astraljava> ochosi: Yeah. No difference between the areea where you write, and menu bar.
[22:16] <knome> ochosi, yes, but that's not under UIFe ;)
[22:16] <ochosi> yah, pretty cool, aint it?
[22:16] <ochosi> knome: i know, just mentioning it
[22:16] <astraljava> knome: I had faith in you. What happened? *blink* *blink*
[22:16] <ochosi> wow! robert_ancell is online
[22:16] <astraljava> heheh
[22:16] <ochosi> now i don't know what to ask him...
[22:16] <ochosi> :(
[22:16] <ochosi> :)
[22:17] <ochosi> bbiab
[22:17] <astraljava> That always happens.
[22:17] <knome> astraljava, is the terminal color scheme really so bad?
[22:18] <knome> it actually works better if you hide the menubar by default.
[22:18]  * knome wonders if astraljava chooses passwords that rhyme with his username
[22:19] <astraljava> knome: Nah, I'll get used to it, or I'll change it. I've spent quite a lot of time just recently trying to find good gray shade combos for weechat, so now seeing everything in just one is a little bit of a shock. :)
[22:19] <astraljava> Sadly, no.
[22:20] <astraljava> Yeah, I should really hide it, I never use it anyway.
[22:20] <nonau> I don't really care for the new terminal color scheme myself.  I've changed it to black in each testing
[22:20] <knome> nonau, mm-hmm, defaults are just defaults :)
[22:20] <pleia2> nonau! where you able to get those bug reports submitted? ochosi was looking for them earlier
[22:22] <nonau> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/959040 is one, don't know what happened to the other.
[22:23] <mr_pouit> closed, because it's not possible to have more than one systray
[22:23] <mr_pouit> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-panel/+bug/959046
[22:26] <nonau> Odd, I didn't notice that behavior in 11.10.  Thank you for the input.
[22:27] <mr_pouit> the black pixel bug is known, although not many people are able to reproduce (and the upstream developer thinks it's a graphic driver issue: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8119)
[22:33] <mr_pouit> knome: do you remember the mail about small logos for unity-greeter?
[22:33] <knome> mr_pouit, yes
[22:33] <mr_pouit> do you have something for me? :P
[22:33] <knome> no.
[22:34] <knome> or, do you mean, you still don't have *anything* ?
[22:36] <mr_pouit> use the sentence you prefer (:
[22:36] <knome> no, really?
[22:36] <knome> didn't i export you stuff
[22:37] <knome> are you still waiting for those?
[22:37] <mr_pouit> maybe, I don't remember, too many highlights from you :P
[22:37] <knome> hah
[22:37] <knome> let me find them
[22:37] <mr_pouit> but I don't think I included them already
[22:37] <knome> here they are: http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_greeter/
[22:38] <ochosi> mr_pouit: hmm, the datetime-plugin?
[22:41] <mr_pouit> ochosi: I didn't do anything, as it needs the mighty UIFe first =]
[22:43] <mr_pouit> knome: thanks, I'll try them tomorrow and then commit to xubuntu-artwork (I'm not sure 'XF' is really awesome for Xfce, but at least custom_xubuntu_badge.png must be added ;-)
[22:44] <knome> mr_pouit, heh, yeah. just an "X" didn't work very well either... :)
[22:52] <ochosi> what the hell, the "save" button in gedit is misplaced.
[22:52] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03192012-115250pm.php
[22:53] <ochosi> this day is just getting better and better
[22:54] <knome> :DD
[22:54] <knome> that's just awkward
[22:54] <ochosi> it
[22:54] <ochosi> it's the _only_ menuitem that is misplaced
[22:54] <knome> heh
[22:55] <ochosi> great, of course it works in ambiance
[22:55] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03192012-115506pm.php
[22:58] <knome> eh
[22:58] <knome> ...
[23:00] <ochosi> are we satisfied with these scales? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03202012-120008am.php
[23:01] <knome> that's not bad, but maybe the non-active part could be just slightly darker
[23:02] <ochosi> like this? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-03202012-120202am.php
[23:02] <knome> spot on
[23:03] <ochosi> ok, i'll try to get these changes cleaned up and push them
[23:03] <knome> thanks, it's much appreciated
[23:05] <knome> pleia2, are you an op on any channel?
[23:06] <pleia2> knome: not any xubuntu channel
[23:06] <pleia2> lots of other ones though
[23:06] <knome> i think you could be an op in #xubuntu too
[23:07] <knome> i'm not trying to reduce my own workload, that would just make sense, timezones etc
[23:07] <pleia2> probably
[23:08] <knome> we need to resolve the access list issues, though
[23:08] <knome> at least for -devel
[23:08] <pleia2> yeah
[23:09] <knome> i'm surprisinly tired
[23:09] <knome> +g too
[23:09] <pleia2> I don't think I'll have the testing docs updated for beta2 :(
[23:09] <pleia2> I had a bunch of questions I didn't anticipate when doing the rewrite, I think I have omst answers now but I need to test them futher and I'm running out of time
[23:10] <knome> mmh
[23:10] <pleia2> leaving on an 8 day trip in 22 hours
[23:10] <knome> ugh
[23:10] <pleia2> I come back before the beta2, but only just
[23:10] <knome> completely offline?
[23:10] <pleia2> I'll have hotel wifi
[23:10] <knome> heh, good
[23:11] <knome> we could try to get the rest of it solved together, since i have normal access to everything
[23:11] <pleia2> mostly access will be via email, since I can easily check that on my phone all day
[23:11] <knome> mmh, that too :)
[23:11] <pleia2> ok, I'll see how far I get tonight and we'll talk tomorrow
[23:11] <knome> where are you going btw?
[23:11] <pleia2> Philadelphia, looking at wedding venues :)
[23:11] <knome> for yourself? ;)
[23:11] <pleia2> yep!
[23:11] <knome> congrats!
[23:11] <pleia2> thanks
[23:12] <ochosi> cool! congrats pleia2 
[23:12] <pleia2> shooting for April 2013, so we need to book now
[23:12] <pleia2> thanks ochosi 
[23:12] <knome> mm-hmm
[23:12]  * knome was wedded on wife's birthday, which also happens to be new years eve
[23:12] <pleia2> :)
[23:12] <knome> (not last year though D:)
[23:12] <ochosi> lol
[23:13] <ochosi> easy to remember dates :)
[23:13] <knome> yeah
[23:13] <knome> the other option was my birthday
[23:13] <knome> which is Jan 3 ...
[23:13] <ochosi> lol
[23:13] <knome> my mom is Dec 16, sister Jan 28
[23:13] <knome> do you know how much we are celebrating at the change of the year??
[23:13] <ochosi> your folk seem to like to do it in the summer ;)
[23:13] <pleia2> lol
[23:14] <ochosi> (or late spring)
[23:14] <knome> ochosi, no, march really, when dad got the bookkeeping in order
[23:14] <ochosi> huhu
[23:14] <knome> well, i don't know for sure - but that's my version ;)
[23:16] <ochosi> sounds plausible and fun at the same time
[23:16] <knome> well, i don't want to think of the "fun" of it too much
[23:17] <ochosi> huhu
[23:17] <ochosi> sry
[23:17] <knome> np :P
[23:29] <knome> off for today, see you all tomorrow again
[23:42] <nonau> Is there a more comprehensive set of tests than the "long test" on the wiki?
[23:43] <pleia2> nonau: not currently, but if you have ideas for more they would be quite welcome
[23:45] <pleia2> nonau: if you have more suggestions for tests, please sign up for the xubuntu-devel mailing list (https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel) and share them there, from there more people can review them and we can work them into the /Long version
[23:45] <nonau> pleia2: Alright, thank you for the information.
[23:47] <pleia2> (and let me know if you're shy about posting to -devel, I was :) you can also email them to me: lyz@ubuntu.com and I'll pass them along)
[23:47] <ochosi> nonau: yup, bugreports and testing is always appreciated!