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diskineticI'm running a live USB  thumb drive (16gb), and I have no other drive on the system.  Can I use a secomd 16gb drive as "home"?00:57
diskineticor more accurately "/home"00:58
treborabckill. kill02:42
jmcantrellis xubuntu precise pretty usable?03:03
yuppersanyone have experience installing xubuntu from a usb?03:32
babbleyuppers: I do ...03:33
babblehaving trouble getting a bootable image?03:33
yuppersI'm install from a windows machine, curious what people used to mount the ISO to a usb?03:34
babbleyuppers: PenDriveLinux makes a utility similar to the Ubuntu Startup Disk Creator03:34
babblesec, I'll get you the URL03:34
yupperscool beans that rocks thanks03:35
babblehere you go: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/#button03:35
babbleIt'll write your downloaded Xubuntu image to a USB thumb drive, then just choose that as your boot drive at your PC's BIOS screen03:35
babble(the before-you-see-windows black screen -- you'll need to hit ESC or a function key typically, to get at boot options)03:36
yuppersya ive done usb installs before just never mounted know what to use to mount the iso03:36
babbleah, cool, you're good then :)03:37
babbleI *think* there are Windows builds of Unetbootin, too.03:37
babblebut don't quote me on that03:37
babbleanyway, they all more-or-less write an .iso to a USB stick and set it up as a boot-happy drive03:37
yuppersthats all i needed thanks. So xubuntu much faster then ubuntu (im rocking a netbook thus the usb dealio)03:37
babbleWell, I don't use netbook-class hardware, but Xubuntu is faster on my hardware, sure.03:38
yuppershow much faster would you say in your opinion?03:39
babbleXfce isn't necessarily the *lightest* desktop you could go with in terms of RAM once booted, or overall resource usage (I think that still ends up being LXDE) but I think Xfce strikes the right balance between being lighter-weight than KDE or Gnome and being nicely useable.03:39
babbleOh, it's purely subjective, but I'm on a lower-end, but current laptop03:40
babbleUnity bogs on my GPU - not awfully, but enough to notice.03:40
babble(for that matter, so does Gnome shell)03:40
babbleXfce stays nicely snappy :)03:40
yuppersya I already tried regular ubuntu and its slow as snails so im trying xubuntu then lubuntu03:41
babbleFor *me* (your mileage may vary) Xfce gives me enough of what I want that I can live without the small things it lacks (I like conceptually some of the things the Unity folks are doing, and I'll probably switch back to Unity at *some* point)03:42
babbleif you want the lightest-fastest-meanest desktop for lower end hardware, I think Lubuntu is probably your best bet03:42
babble(but I'm *very* happy in Xubuntu, so by all means, give it a try. hehe.)03:44
yuppersya liek i said i'll be trying that if this doesnt work out. Reality is im just rocking the nbook for a mobile coding machine so im sure all three will work fine for me just omes down to how picky im gonna be about the speed lol03:44
babblehaha. :)03:44
yuppersas is the case usually though ha03:45
babbleif all you need is a dev environment, I think Xubuntu or Lubunti will probably work about equally well for you03:45
babble*Lubuntu (bah, typos.)03:45
yupperswell i guess since im here i should ask, any chance that xub has c++ compiler built in?03:51
babbleof course ;)03:52
babblegcc is ... sec. lemme see what's in mine ;)03:52
yuppersi assumed but alwasy worth checking while iso is downloading ha03:52
babblehehe.03:53
babblegcc in my installation of 11.10 is 4:4.6.1-2ubuntu5 -- let me find out what that tracks to in terms of gcc releases.03:53
babblecool - that's gcc 4.603:54
babbledo you need an IDE?03:54
yuppersthat would be ultimate to have from the start but not a necessity, what you got for IDE?03:55
babbleJust about anything short of absolute clones of .Net or Xcode, really03:55
babbleEclipse is popular03:55
babblefor folks writing gtk apps, Glade is roughly comparable to Interface Builder in OS X or whatever-is-roughly-equivalent in Windows. hehe.03:57
babbleand I'm sure there are Qt equivalents I'm not aware of.03:57
yupperseclipse eh, kk cool il giver a go thanks03:59
bemiscan anyone tell me in 11.11 which package xlock4 was in? (my "lock screen" functionality seems to have gone away in the 12.04 beta)04:06
holsteinbemis: 11.10?04:06
bemisholstein: yeah - typo04:06
bemis-shrug- or 11.04 .. or whenever ..04:07
babbleit's in xfce4-utils04:07
bemisbabble: thnx - i guess it was removed in 12.0404:08
holsteinxlockmore mabye then04:08
babblehmm. that would be unusual :)04:08
babblelet me go see what's on Launchpad.04:08
holsteini use xtrlock04:10
bemisi'm not sure how much of my strangeness is due to having installed a stock-ish ubuntu back in like 9.04 or something and i've over time upgraded and added lubuntu/xubuntu/kubuntu-desktop packages04:11
bemisfor mucking with the beta i really should have clean-wiped - but i was bored on a friday night04:11
babblexflock should still be in the Precise build - here's the launchpad page for the utils package...04:12
babblehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/amd64/xfce4-utils/4.8.3-1ubuntu204:12
babbleand it's in the .deb I just grabbed;04:13
bemisbabble: yep - that's the one - for some reason previous to 12.04 it was xlock4, not xflock4 -- just didn't know what to look for - thanks!04:14
bemis(at least my keybindings are all pointed at xlock4 - maybe they were mangled)04:14
babbleum. It's xflock in 11.10 :)04:15
babblebut as long as it's where you can find it. hehe.04:15
bemis:) thank you.04:15
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ax562can someone please help05:21
ax562i'm running xubuntu on my droid bionic via webtop2sd05:22
ax562today my xfce menu button dissapeared05:23
ax562and when I try to add it by right clicking it doesn't work05:23
well_laid_lawnwhat happens when you right click the panel?05:24
well_laid_lawnand what's a  droid bionic via webtop2sd05:24
ax562it gives me the option to add the button "add item"05:24
ax562sorry "add new item"05:24
well_laid_lawnand then what happens?05:24
ax562the xfce menu button is an option but when I try to add it, it does nothing05:25
well_laid_lawncan you add anything else?05:25
ax562webtop2sd is a way to run ubuntu 10.10 on a partioned sd card05:25
well_laid_lawnk05:26
ax562can you help?05:26
well_laid_lawncan you add anything else?05:27
ax562I googled it and was trying to delete my session file but couldn't find them05:27
well_laid_lawnbest if you log out before you do that05:27
well_laid_lawnit's in ~/.cache iirc05:28
ax562I was able to add a mixer button and that worked05:28
well_laid_lawnbe easier to move .config/xfce4 after killing the panel then restart the panel to get defaults05:29
ax562how would I do that?05:30
ax562I cant even find the .config direct05:30
well_laid_lawnpkill xfce4-panel && mv -v .config/xfce4 .config/xfce4.bak && xfce4-panel &05:30
well_laid_lawnyou'll have to enable showing hidden files in thunar if you want to do it from the gui05:31
well_laid_lawn!panel05:31
ubottuDid your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/05:31
ax562tried to use pkill05:33
ax562but said missing destination file05:33
well_laid_lawnpkill on it's own?05:33
ax562is there a space between xfce4 and .config?05:35
ax562you had 2 lines05:35
ax562wait05:35
ax562my panel is gone05:35
ax562i ran xfce4-panel and the panel reloaded but still missing menu button05:36
well_laid_lawnwhen you kill it it saves the current config - that's why I suggested moving the config before starting it05:37
ax562sorry my fault05:38
ax562let me try again05:38
well_laid_lawnthat's ok :)05:38
ax562what was the command again...i cant scroll up05:39
ax562sorry...total nub to ubuntu and irc05:39
well_laid_lawnpkill xfce4-panel && mv -v .config/xfce4 .config/xfce4.bak && xfce4-panel &05:39
ax562no space between the two lines though right?05:39
well_laid_lawnthe && means do the next bit after the first succeeds05:39
well_laid_lawnonly one line - make you chat client wider and it'll be one line for you too05:40
well_laid_lawns/you/your05:40
well_laid_lawn /05:40
ax562killed panel05:40
ax562but second command gives error05:41
ax562mv: missing destination file operand after `.config/xfce4'05:41
ax562mv: missing destination file operand after `.config/xfce4'Try `mv --help' for more information.05:41
well_laid_lawnyou can copy/paste by dragging the mouse over text and clicking the scroll wheel in a terminal05:42
well_laid_lawnby holding the left mouse button down and dragging over text*05:43
ax562did05:45
ax562but it gave me those error05:45
well_laid_lawnmv needs two parameters - what to move and where to move it to - mv -v .config/xfce4 .config/xfce4.bak05:46
ax562alex mendizabal05:46
ax562sorry friend stoped by05:47
ax562got that erro05:48
ax562anyway to do it in gui?05:48
well_laid_lawnright click the .config/xfce4 folder in thunar and rename it to something else - after the panel has been stopped05:49
ax562where would i find .confic05:51
ax562I endabled hidden files05:51
ax562found it in home05:54
ax562ok i renamed .config/xfce4 to xfce4-bak05:55
well_laid_lawnis the panel running?05:56
ax562no should I run it?05:57
ax562ok i renamed .config/xfce4 to xfce4-bak05:57
well_laid_lawnif not you should be able to run it and get the default back05:57
well_laid_lawnxfce4-panel &05:57
well_laid_lawnin a terminal   or05:57
well_laid_lawn!panel05:57
well_laid_lawn!bot05:58
ubottuHi! I'm #xubuntu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots05:58
ax562there it's back05:58
well_laid_lawnwith the menu?05:58
ax562i ran the xfce4-panel and now my menu button is back05:58
ax562YES!!05:59
ax562YOU ARE THE MAN!!05:59
well_laid_lawnmake sure to save the session before logging out05:59
ax562how would I do that?05:59
ax562I clicked the user icon on the right hand corner and it says exit panel?06:00
ax562it usually would say log out, restart etc.06:00
well_laid_lawndunno why it would do that06:01
ax562how can I save session?06:02
well_laid_lawnyou can do it from the settings manager06:03
ax562where can I find that?06:04
well_laid_lawnfirst entry in the menu06:05
ax562it's gone again06:05
ax562i right clicked the button and hit properties06:06
well_laid_lawnif you started the panel from the terminal it should show some errors there06:06
ax562now it's gone again06:06
ax562Gtk:ERROR:/br11/gtk/gtk+2.0-2.22.0/gtk/gtkfilechooserdefault.c:1390:shortcuts_find_folder: assertion failed: (folder != NULL)06:07
ax562libxfce4panel-Message: Xfce Menu: screen changed: 006:07
ax562libxfce4panel-Message: No valid plug window.06:07
ax562(xfce4-panel:5819): Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_socket_get_id: assertion `GTK_WIDGET_ANCHORED (socket)' failed06:07
ax562(xfce4-panel:5819): libxfce4panel-CRITICAL **: An item was unexpectedly removed: "Xfce Menu".06:07
ax562that is what the error said06:08
well_laid_lawnbe best if you take that error to #xfce - I dunno about it06:08
well_laid_lawndo   /j #xfce06:08
well_laid_lawnand tell them the menu keeps disappearing06:09
ax562ok06:09
well_laid_lawnluck06:09
ax562how can I kill the panel again?06:10
well_laid_lawnpkill xfce4-panel06:11
well_laid_lawnor try the user button in the right corner06:11
well_laid_lawnsince that said before exit panel06:11
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Mawgoops, bear with me guys I'm fiddling with znc06:12
Mawgbare*06:12
chelzbear is correct06:13
well_laid_lawnbare is like naked06:14
ax562lol06:14
well_laid_lawn;-)06:14
ax562thanks alot well laid lawn06:15
well_laid_lawncheers'06:15
well_laid_lawn!tab06:15
ubottuYou can use your <tab> key for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.06:15
ax562i'm going to go to /j xfce06:15
well_laid_lawnwel+<tab> = well_laid_lawn06:15
Mog3Oh damn, and I even watched a whole video rant of some guy explaining the two06:15
Mog3Guess none of it sunk it lol06:15
Mog3in*06:16
well_laid_lawnheh06:17
chris_hi. i have a wireless card in a laptop. installed the windows driver and the "Windows Wireless Drivers" app shows the driver and says the hardware is attached. /etc/modules.conf shows an aliad for wlan0 to ndiswrapper, but iwconfig shows no wlan007:42
chris_*alias07:42
chris_any ideas on how to get wlan0 up and running?07:43
well_laid_lawntry   ifconfig -a07:44
well_laid_lawndoes wlan show?07:44
chris_no, just eth0 and the loopback07:45
Sysimight be better to try networkmanager07:45
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lain974bonjour all09:46
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xubuntu411ыыыы10:38
GridCubeim trying to do an >export http_proxy=http://proxy:port/<   but its not working :/13:37
GridCubemmm im going to try rebooting and see what happens13:41
SysiGridCube: I think you shouldn't use slash after port13:46
notifyany sign of startup notifications being fixed, or even discussed, for xubuntu 12.04 ? got the beta, fully updated it, still no busy cursor. and virtually no discussion of this anywhere ...13:48
bazhang#ubuntu+1 for 12.04 notify13:49
notifybazhang: thx13:49
GridCubeso :(14:07
GridCubei cant make it work14:07
GridCubewithout the proxy i cant zsync14:07
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xubuntu839help me please16:17
xubuntu839is it possible to install ubuntu one on xubuntu ?16:17
xubuntu839what can i do about tearing ? i dont have tearing if i install compiz but when i use compiz windows are leaving traces while resized16:19
xubuntu839is it possible to install ubuntu one on xubuntu ?16:19
xubuntu839do you see my text ?16:20
xubuntu839anybody here ?16:22
TheSheepnope, nobody16:22
TheSheepjust us, mice16:22
holsteinxubuntu839: hey... lets takt it one at a time16:22
TheSheep!hi | xubuntu83916:22
ubottuxubuntu839: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!16:22
holsteinyou can install ubuntu one in xubuntu... but you dont need to install ubuntu one to use it anyways... just like dropbox16:23
holsteini would not suggest compiz with XFCE.. i dont think its helpful personally16:23
xubuntu839do i need to install gnome ?16:23
holsteinthat being said, feel free and reference http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/16:24
holsteinxubuntu839: you only need to decide what you want/need, and go from there.. if you need compiz, make it happen16:24
holsteinfor ubuntuone http://askubuntu.com/questions/82978/how-can-i-run-ubuntu-one-on-xubuntu xubuntu83916:25
digitalcrowcan i install ubuntu one on xubuntu ?16:28
holsteindigitalcrow: check out http://askubuntu.com/questions/82978/how-can-i-run-ubuntu-one-on-xubuntu16:28
holsteinand for compiz.. http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/16:28
digitalcrowi have tearing16:29
digitalcrowi have big tearing16:31
babbleevery time I think I need compiz I install it for all of two days.16:32
babblethen it's back to xfwm16:32
digitalcrowi have a geforce gts 250 and i have tearing .... come on16:32
digitalcrow...this is sick16:33
digitalcrowmy graphics card has a cpu of 1.8 ghz16:33
digitalcrowcan you help me do something about tearing ?16:35
digitalcrowwhy i always have tearing on xubuntu ?16:39
digitalcrowwhy i always have tearing on xubuntu ?16:40
TheSheep!patience16:40
ubottuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/16:40
digitalcrowwhy i have tearing on xubuntu ?16:46
holsteindigitalcrow: i would try a different graphics driver16:49
holsteinyou can also try some other compositing16:50
digitalcrowgraphics driver is fine16:50
holsteintypically, when im troubleshooting issues like that, i'll just try a bunch of live CD's..16:50
holsteindigitalcrow: i would expect the driver to be one of the things that could cause the "tearing"16:50
holsteindigitalcrow: are you saying you have tried other drivers? you have tried the vesa driver?16:51
digitalcrowif i try the post release new driver that xubuntu shows ?16:51
digitalcrowdo you think it would work ?16:51
holsteindigitalcrow: are you being offered a proprietary driver by a GUI? is that what you are refering to digitalcrow ?16:51
digitalcrowfrom additional drivers i have the recommented installed but it shows me a newer one too16:52
digitalcrow(updates after release)16:52
digitalcrowmaybe i should try my luck with it?16:52
holsteindigitalcrow: i dont know what is going to work.. i can only offer suggestions.. i would try different graphics drivers.. i would try different live CD's... i would try differnt kernel versions16:53
digitalcrowi have no tearing when i use compiz but i dont have good decorator and when i move or resize the windows they leave traces and stuff16:57
holsteindigitalcrow: you can try other compositing... you can try other drivers. you can try other DE's.. you can try other kernels16:58
digitalcrowtell me how to install a window decorator16:59
holsteinyou can only troubleshoot, and see what will support your graphics hardware best... or search around for some help with someone with that hardware16:59
digitalcrowon compiz works fine but the decorator sucks it doesnt work well16:59
holsteindigitalcrow: i use emerald as referenced from that link i gave you earlier http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/12/09/xubuntu-compiz-pretty-pretty-xubuntu/17:00
holsteinthough its not in the repos for 11.10... i searched and found a .deb and installed it17:01
holsteini also decided, as i stated before, that compiz with XFCE is not all that great, or necessary17:01
digitalcrowim trying the gtk decorator17:09
holsteintry what you like.. i can only speak for the one i suggested that i have actually tried17:09
holsteinshouldnt matter, or effect the tearing you are dealing with17:09
digitalcrowlooks nice now17:10
digitalcrowno tearing17:10
digitalcrowhow i can disable the guest login17:11
digitalcrowthat was easy17:12
digitalcrowyes17:13
digitalcrowi can say i fixed my problems17:13
digitalcrowso i can add some repos and software now17:13
digitalcrowthank you for your help17:13
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beata|testingYe gods but this thing is *tiny* ... reinstalled xubuntu/oneiric, new user account, checking the settings. Mouse cursor appears to be the user setting over only some of the display, &c ${settings}, &c. Question: Am I better to upgrade to Precise/beta and then check for what isn't working out of the box and forget about Oneiric?21:02
miarfis there a key that shows the "File Edit View" etc menu in xfce?21:07
miarfi disabled the menu bar in my terminal accidentally, and can't restore it in a handy manner21:08
TheSheepmiarf: no, it is shown automatically in every window that has it21:08
miarfokay, so apparently I need to close the window and reopen it to get it back21:08
TheSheepthat's strange21:12
knomemiarf, you can get the menu back by clicking right mouse button and choosing "show menubar"21:12
miarfoh right, you rightclick the window contents instead of window titlebar, thanks21:13
knomenp21:15
GreenJelloHey, I'm using xubuntu 11.10, and when I open a terminal most things are in black and white.  How do I make it use more colors?  I'm used to Linux Mint in GNOME Terminal where the foo@bar ~/ $ part is in colors.  Do I need a different emulator?  Or to change a bash setting?22:00
GreenJellooh and I miss a lot of the auto completion features22:00
GreenJellolike apt-get autocomplete for package names22:01
GreenJelloand git, and a few other programs.  I'm not sure what that feature's called, so I don't know how to even search for it.22:01
pleia2GreenJello: I'm not sure what terminal emulator you used to use, but all the prompt colors can be adjusted by editing your .bashrc file22:02
pleia2GreenJello: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Color_Bash_Prompt has some examples22:03
pleia2as for autocomplete, it sounds like either it wasn't using bash (maybe zsh?) or were using some bash extension/plugin22:04
GreenJellothanks22:04
GreenJelloit came pre-installed with Linux Mint22:04
GreenJelloand I remember it on Ubuntu 10.1022:04
mucushi22:44
mucusi need help22:44
mucusi have xubuntu dualbooting with windows 7 on my laptop22:44
mucusi got a virus in windows 722:44
mucushow can i clean that up from here in xubu?22:44
GreenJellomucus: That's really vague... I'd just backup your files (selectively) and reinstall22:48
mucusyeah, that is the best idea isn't it?22:48
mucusi was just gonna back up important documents and hose down the system with a good ol format22:49
GreenJelloyeah, that or antivirus software in Windows22:49
mucuswould love to do the latter22:49
mucusbut my virus is shutting me out of ALL programs!22:49
mucusyay!22:49
GreenJelloBoot into safe mode22:49
mucusright then, i'll try that bbl22:50
GreenJellook, have a plan first though!22:50
Marzatathe best AV for Win7 is Linux22:51
mucusBONESHi again22:51
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mucusThank goodness safe mode works22:53
well_laid_lawnyou can do antivirus checks from linux, dunno how good they are tho23:00
well_laid_lawn!antivirus23:01
ubottuAntivirus is something you don't need on !Linux. except where files are then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus23:01
Marzatawell_laid_lawn: Linux is a very good AV23:01
mucusI have virus in my windows machine23:01
Marzatamucus: delete it23:01
mucusWindows?23:02
mucusOr virus?23:02
mucusBecause I dunno where the virii are23:02
knomeplease people, this is not a windows support channel. try ##windows for that23:02
mucusBut I wanted to use xubuntu to clean it23:03
Marzatadelete Win7, it is the worst virus.23:03
pleia2well_laid_lawn: the antivirus checks you'll find for linux are designed for things like scanning email for viruses before sending it out the mail clients (some of which presumably run windows), not for scanning a windows system23:04
knomewe can give you help on accessing the harddrives, other than that, it's a windows issue23:04
pleia2Marzata: there's not need for that, some people need Windows for work, school, etc, telling them to delete it is not helpful23:04
BlakJakhttp://maketecheasier.com/remove-windows-viruses-with-linux/2010/02/0223:04
knomeMarzata, can i PM you?23:04
mucusOfc I wouldn't delete windows its a proper *ahem* useful os23:04
Marzataeh, sorry then23:04
well_laid_lawnpleia2: I said I dunno how good they are but if you look at what ubottu offered it seems there is something to check shared files23:04
pleia2well_laid_lawn: yeah, just offering my input from experience23:05
well_laid_lawncheers23:05
BlakJakmucus: plenty of hits inside Google for solutions that'd let you clean viruses off a Windows machine with Linux.23:06
BlakJakdare I ask whether you've tried any of them?23:06
mucusI am working on one now actually23:06
mucusThe simplest23:06
BlakJakhowever, 'you takes your chances' with regards to whether Windows will work properly afterward23:07
BlakJakdepends on the virus and what it does.23:07
pleia2BlakJak: we've only used ClamAV and AVG for customers, in both instances free cleaners they found in Windows native worked better and found more problems23:07
BlakJakYeah, in my experience you're best to identify exactly what infection you have and follow the best cleaning process for that particular infection. I havn't had a true virus in years but have found that manually removing Trojans gives more peace of mind than trusting apps to do it for me.23:09
BlakJakhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789557 has useful discussion also23:09
BlakJakthe first post on page 2 resonates strongly with me.23:10
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