[00:19] <artao> please? anyone?
[00:28] <Scunizi> In Libreoffice when I hover the mouse over an icon at the top (printer, pdf, print preview etc) the resulting popup box is black with no visible text in it.. I've played around with themes, cursours etc with no effect.. How do I fix this?
[01:14] <artao> echo >> echo >> cho >> ko >> o >> o
[01:36] <eodchop> does anyone know of a photo app that integrates with picasa?
[01:50] <artao> i don't use Picassa, but I do like gtkam
[01:54] <forevis> hi, i used wine, and my font are really tiny, small
[01:55] <forevis> i dont want to reboot
[01:55] <forevis> ;/
[02:10] <brad_> im using the linux version of firefox, but I'm having some problems installing adobe flash.. suggestions?
[02:11] <uberdub> whats the problem?
[02:11] <uberdub> is the plugin installed?
[02:12] <brad_> it wont install
[02:13] <uberdub> have you verified that by entering about:plugins in your address bar?
[02:14] <uberdub> is this a fresh install?
[02:21] <brad_> yes
[02:22] <uberdub> yes a fresh install? yes it shows up in about:plugins?
[02:23] <uberdub> what happens when you enter "sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" in a terminal?
[02:24] <uberdub> make sure youve enabled multiverse(IIRC) in your repos
[04:19] <wangyi> hello
[04:43] <ultrixx> hi
[04:46] <Daskreech> Hi
[04:47] <artao> howdy
[04:47] <artao> ask entrace, to hell ... it's easier
[04:52] <chull> how can i move korganizer to my new home directory?
[05:30] <Daskreech> chull, hmm?
[05:30] <Daskreech> what do you want to move?
[05:32] <chull> Daskreech, sec - chalcedony will speak
[05:34] <chalcedony> Daskreech, earlier we moved my husband's home directory to /home/old/ - kde didn't keep it's settings in the new /chull/home/
[05:34] <chalcedony> so now we need to copy his korganizer to the new one
[05:34] <Daskreech> you mean /home/chull ?
[05:34] <chalcedony> yes that
[05:34] <chalcedony> sorry
[05:34] <Daskreech> :-) just trying to be clear
[05:34] <chalcedony> i'm so tired i'm not sure which of us is a boy
[05:35] <Daskreech> when you said you moved it you renamed his old home directory (I'm going to guess it was /home/chull/ as well) to be named /home/old ?
[05:35] <chalcedony> Daskreech, yes
[05:35] <chalcedony> you're good!
[05:36] <chalcedony> we *finally* got firefox copied back
[05:36] <Daskreech> and then you copied over the Documents, Downloads Pictures and so on?
[05:36] <chalcedony> he did yes
[05:37] <chalcedony> he likes gui - i like command line
[05:37] <Daskreech> Peanut Butter and chocolate
[05:37] <chalcedony> hehe
[05:38] <chalcedony> he had a stroke (brain attack) and can't speak or understand speech, he often doesn't remember
[05:38] <Daskreech> So as an aside. Why was a new home folder made?
[05:39] <chalcedony> he broke something in /var/ i think - it wouldn't let him get past login and pass
[05:39] <chalcedony> gave an error
[05:39] <Daskreech> chalcedony, and it will let him login now?
[05:39] <chalcedony> i could ssh in
[05:39] <chalcedony> yes :)
[05:40] <Daskreech> ha ha well lets make a small test if you would be so obliging
[05:40] <chalcedony> when i went to sleep he was trying to get Adobe9 to read pdfs, it was in some weird place.
[05:40] <Daskreech> If you are too tired please let me know
[05:40] <chalcedony> when i woke up he couldn't get past login.. 3 days ago.
[05:40] <chalcedony> no problem i'll keep at it
[05:41] <chalcedony> he really needs his computer and i need to know when our appointments are
[05:41] <Daskreech> :) ok let me do a quick acid test
[05:41] <chalcedony> sure :)
[05:42] <Daskreech> Are you familiar with virtual terminals?
[05:42] <chalcedony> let me know when i need to be on his computer. i'm on a laptop
[05:42] <chalcedony> yes
[05:42] <Daskreech> You can ssh in ?
[05:42] <chalcedony> yes
[05:42] <Daskreech> Ok is he logged in over there now?
[05:42] <chalcedony> the side of a waterbed is a rotten place to sit - especially for most of 3 days
[05:42] <chalcedony> yes he's logged in
[05:43] <Daskreech> Ok can You log him out then ssh over to him
[05:43] <chalcedony> we have lots of stuff open about kde
[05:43] <Daskreech> ah
[05:43] <chalcedony> we closed the calendar
[05:43] <chalcedony> i just have files listed
[05:44] <chalcedony> nothing that will break until it needs rebooting
[05:44] <Daskreech> :) ok
[05:44] <Daskreech> so you can logout then?
[05:44] <chalcedony> if needed
[05:44] <chalcedony> shall i ?
[05:45] <Daskreech> Yes please
[05:45] <Daskreech> then ssh in
[05:45] <Daskreech> and mv /home/chull/.kde /home/chull/.kde-bak
[05:46] <Daskreech> then sudo cp -ra /home/old/.kde /home/chull/
[05:47] <Daskreech> That last one may take a while
[05:48] <Daskreech> When that's done try logging him back in
[05:51] <Daskreech> let me know if he logs in at all
[05:52] <chalcedony> ok it's almost done shutting down .. who knew he had so much open
[05:52] <Daskreech> Ha ha :) cool
[05:52] <Daskreech> littlegirl, hi
[05:52] <chalcedony> hi littlegirl
[05:52] <littlegirl> Hey there. (:
[05:52] <chalcedony> black screen, still running
[05:53] <chalcedony> i guess it's taking it's time closing things
[05:53] <Daskreech> that's fine
[05:54] <Daskreech> Sorry though you may lose some of those things when I'm done but I can restore those if you need them
[05:56] <chalcedony> :)
[05:56] <chalcedony> imho it's broken
[05:56] <chalcedony> still running
[05:56] <chalcedony> with the screen black after i clicked shutdown
[05:57] <chalcedony> probably have to turn off the power supply
[05:58] <Daskreech> chalcedony, No you can ssh in and run sudo service kdm restart
[05:59] <chalcedony> ok
[05:59] <chalcedony> not responding to ssh
[06:00] <Daskreech> oh wow :-)
[06:00] <Daskreech> can you jump to a VT ?
[06:00] <chalcedony> i think i should turn it off and back on
[06:00] <chalcedony> then it ought to let me in fine
[06:01] <chalcedony> it's been ok
[06:01] <Daskreech> hmm
[06:01] <Daskreech> Maybe something is broken?
[06:02] <chalcedony> it shouldn't be running
[06:02] <Daskreech> ssh?
[06:04] <chalcedony> it's restarting now
[06:04] <Daskreech> ok
[06:04] <chalcedony> it's ubuntu 10.10 with .kde etc - korganizer
[06:05] <chalcedony> now it should let me login
[06:05] <Daskreech> ssh
[06:05] <chalcedony> i'm in
[06:06] <Daskreech>  mv /home/chull/.kde /home/chull/.kde-bak
[06:07] <Daskreech> no errors?
[06:07] <chalcedony> ok doing it now
[06:07] <chalcedony> the one thing i hate about putty is you can't paste to it
[06:07] <Daskreech> yess you can
[06:07] <Daskreech> right click is paste
[06:08] <chalcedony> that worked
[06:08]  * Daskreech nods
[06:08] <chalcedony> it doesn't work to paste to putty in windows7
[06:08] <Daskreech> Oh phooey
[06:09] <Daskreech> then sudo cp -ra /home/old/.kde /home/chull/
[06:09] <chalcedony> if you want pasting i can go to my ubuntu box ;P
[06:11] <Daskreech> Worked?
[06:11] <chalcedony> yes
[06:11] <chalcedony> what's next Daskreech :)
[06:11] <Daskreech> ok try login on the machine now
[06:12] <chalcedony> ok
[06:12] <chalcedony> that worked fine
[06:12] <Daskreech> really?
[06:12] <Daskreech> Hmm
[06:12] <Daskreech> ok
[06:12] <Daskreech> open korganizer
[06:13] <FloodBotK1> Daskreech: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[06:13] <Daskreech> quiet you
[06:13]  * chalcedony pats FloodBotK1 
[06:14] <chalcedony> hmmm!
[06:14] <chalcedony> KResource Migration Tool opened and successfully migrated
[06:14] <chalcedony> and closed itself before i copied the text
[06:14] <Daskreech> do you have your calendar back?
[06:15] <chalcedony> not sure - there are a fair number of errors in the terminal i used ot start it with
[06:15] <Daskreech> oh
[06:15] <Daskreech> umm
[06:15] <Daskreech> <_<
[06:15] <Daskreech> pastebin ?
[06:16] <chalcedony> does not show the appointments that i can see
[06:16] <Daskreech> ok
[06:16] <Daskreech> close it then
[06:17] <Daskreech> Still sshed in?
[06:17] <Daskreech> if so can you tell me what ls /home/old/.local says?
[06:20] <Daskreech> chalcedony, shift-Insert should also paste into Putty
[06:22] <chalcedony> try pastebin.com/i4teYS1x
[06:25] <chalcedony> Daskreech, it says share
[06:25] <Daskreech> chalcedony, ok ls /home/old/share/akonadi
[06:26] <Daskreech> Just let me know if you have a number of files or not a lot
[06:27] <chalcedony> ~$ ls /home/old/share/akonadi
[06:27] <chalcedony> ls: cannot access /home/old/share/akonadi: No such file or directory
[06:27] <chalcedony> shift insert!
[06:27] <chalcedony> works!
[06:29] <Daskreech> chalcedony, sorry ls /home/old/.local/share/akonadi
[06:29] <chalcedony> no problem :)
[06:31] <chalcedony> ~$ ls /home/old/.local/share/akonadi
[06:31] <chalcedony> akonadiserver.socket  db_data  db_misc  file_db_data  mysql.conf
[06:32] <Daskreech> ok
[06:32] <Daskreech> hmm
[06:34] <Daskreech> Trying to work out if it would be better to do this logged out
[06:34] <chalcedony> ok
[06:35] <Daskreech> alright let's chane that
[06:35] <Daskreech> chance
[06:35] <Daskreech> StopAkonadi
[06:37] <chalcedony> ok
[06:39] <chalcedony> :~$ StopAkonadi
[06:39] <chalcedony> StopAkonadi: command not found
[06:40] <chalcedony> Daskreech, should it be two words?
[06:40] <Daskreech> sorry
[06:40] <Daskreech> Alt+f2
[06:40] <Daskreech> Akonadi
[06:41] <chalcedony> trying on his computer
[06:41] <Daskreech> There should be a control panel where you can shutdown the Akonadi server
[06:42] <Daskreech> oh
[06:42] <chalcedony> Daskreech, alt f2 opens a 'run' window
[06:42] <chalcedony> how about top?
[06:42] <Daskreech> yes type akonadi in there
[06:43] <chalcedony> ok
[06:43] <chalcedony> no such file or directory
[06:43]  * Daskreech sits up
[06:43] <Daskreech> hmm
[06:44] <Daskreech> Do you have an akonadictl command?
[06:44] <chalcedony> it might be more interesting than you thought?
[06:44] <Daskreech> Yeah :)
[06:45] <chalcedony> ~$ akonadictl
[06:45] <chalcedony> D-Bus session bus is not available!
[06:45] <chalcedony> "[
[06:45] <Daskreech> try akonadictl stop
[06:45] <chalcedony> and lots more stuff
[06:46] <chalcedony> :~$ akonadictl stop
[06:46] <chalcedony> D-Bus session bus is not available!
[06:46] <chalcedony> "[
[06:46] <Daskreech> :-(
[06:46] <Daskreech> sudo service kdm restart
[06:46] <Daskreech> That should kick you out
[06:47] <Daskreech> Don't want to swap the database without knowing if it's up or not
[06:48] <Daskreech> then you can ssh in and run
[06:49] <chalcedony> :~$  sudo service kdm restart
[06:49] <chalcedony> [sudo] password for chull:
[06:49] <chalcedony> kdm: unrecognized service
[06:49] <Daskreech> mv /home/chull/.local/share/akonadi /home/chull/.local/share/akonadi-back
[06:49] <Daskreech> chalcedony, This is Kubuntu ?
[06:49] <chalcedony> Ubuntu 10.10 with kde
[06:49] <Daskreech> oh
[06:50] <Daskreech> sudo service gdm restart ?
[06:50] <chalcedony> let's try that
[06:50] <chalcedony> :~$ sudo service gdm restart
[06:50] <chalcedony> gdm start/running, process 3082
[06:50] <Daskreech> ok
[06:51] <Daskreech> mv /home/chull/.local/share/akonadi /home/chull/.local/share/akonadi-bak
[06:51] <Daskreech> then sudo cp -ra /home/old/.local/share/akonadi /home/chull/.local/share/
[06:51] <Daskreech> then try login and open korganizer again
[06:52] <chalcedony> :~$ then sudo cp -ra
[06:52] <chalcedony> -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `then'
[06:52] <chalcedony> the 1st command looks fine though
[06:53] <Daskreech> chalcedony, no then :) cp should be the first thing on that line
[06:54] <chalcedony> lol
[06:54] <chalcedony> didn't see that
[06:55] <chalcedony> :~$ sudo cp -ra
[06:55] <chalcedony> cp: missing file operand
[06:55] <chalcedony> Try `cp --help' for more information.
[06:55] <Daskreech> hmm?
[06:55] <Daskreech>  sudo cp -ra /home/old/.local/share/akonadi /home/chull/.local/share/
[06:56] <chalcedony> ok it likes that
[06:56] <chalcedony> done
[06:56] <Daskreech> login and start korganizer
[06:57] <chalcedony> okies
[06:58] <chalcedony> looks frozen screen
[06:58] <chalcedony> i'll try shutting it off again
[06:58] <Daskreech> On login?
[06:59] <Daskreech> Or on starting korganizer
[06:59] <chalcedony> no login it just says in small white letters Ubuntu 10.10 and of the 4 dots below it, 2 are red
[07:00] <Daskreech> Hmm
[07:00] <chalcedony> tried ctrl alt del
[07:00] <chalcedony> it's shutting down
[07:00] <Daskreech> ok
[07:06] <chalcedony> logged in, started korganizer, pastebinning the terminal stuff
[07:09] <Daskreech> :-) You can do that in a much faster way
[07:09] <chalcedony> http://pastebin.com/4GGZaMkz
[07:09] <Daskreech> do you have pastebinit installed?
[07:09] <chalcedony> yes
[07:09] <chalcedony> ill do that if it's going to do this next time
[07:09] <Daskreech> you can just korganizer | pastebinit
[07:09] <chalcedony> nods
[07:09] <chalcedony> t
[07:10] <chalcedony> y
[07:10] <Daskreech> ok
[07:10] <Daskreech> akonadictl status says what?
[07:13] <chalcedony> ~$ akonadictl status | pastebinit
[07:13] <chalcedony> D-Bus session bus is not available!
[07:13] <chalcedony> "[
[07:14] <Daskreech>  :-/
[07:14] <Daskreech> qdbus
[07:15] <chalcedony> ah
[07:15] <chalcedony> :~$ qdbus
[07:15] <chalcedony> Could not connect to D-Bus server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: /bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.
[07:15] <Daskreech> Ah
[07:16] <Daskreech> that would explain a bit
[07:16] <Daskreech> Now why is dbus failing?
[07:16]  * chalcedony doesn't know
[07:16] <naftilos76> hello everyone, i have two lcds connected to my Graphics cards one as primary and another as secondary. The secondary is configured on the right of the primary lcd. Every app / window that i open goes to the secondary which is not always in use and so i need to drag the windows from the sec to the primary lcd. Is there a solution to this? That is, all windows / apps that are initiated to show up in the primary lcd instead of the secondary?
[07:17] <naftilos76> on graphic card (not two)
[07:18] <Daskreech> chalcedony, alt+F2 -> kontact
[07:18] <chalcedony> naftilos76, i can understand your frustration (but don't know the answer)
[07:18] <chalcedony> ok
[07:19] <chalcedony> Daskreech, a summary page?
[07:20] <Daskreech> chalcedony, does it have calendar at the side?
[07:20] <chalcedony> Daskreech, among other things, yes
[07:20] <Daskreech> click on it?
[07:21] <kronos1987> hi
[07:21] <chalcedony> hello kronos1987
[07:21] <Daskreech> hi
[07:21] <kronos1987> nqkoi znae li b1lgarski tuka
[07:21] <naftilos76> chalcedony: thanks for the support :-)
[07:22] <JMichaelX> is there even an ubuntu channel for bulgarian?
[07:22] <chalcedony> naftilos76, don't mention it.. i'm guessing that somewhere in there, it didn't see you specify that monitor as 'secondary''
[07:22] <chalcedony> there is one for russian
[07:23] <JMichaelX> i think kronos1987 needs a bulgarian channel, if one exists... maybe russian would work
[07:23] <Daskreech> kronos1987, which language ?
[07:25] <kronos1987> bulgaria
[07:26] <chalcedony> good catch JMichaelX
[07:26] <Guest72555> 11211
[07:27] <Daskreech> !bg
[07:27] <chalcedony> Daskreech, i clicked a while ago, forgot to tell you :)
[07:28] <JMichaelX> aha, there actually is a channel for bulgarian
[07:28] <Daskreech> It's.... not doing anything ?
[07:28] <chalcedony> i have the calendar open but it has no appointments showing
[07:28] <chalcedony> it should at a minimum show classes i run on undernet on weekends
[07:29] <kronos1987> ok
[07:29] <Daskreech> chalcedony, well if you would like to rest now you can ask in #akonadi in the morning
[07:30] <chalcedony> Daskreech,  i can't imagine when i will get such capable and kind help as yours
[07:31] <chalcedony> also im not looking forward to not knowing if we had appointments
[07:31] <Daskreech> :-) I think your issue is that dbus is throwing errors and the data is being put across dbus
[07:32] <chalcedony> ah
[07:32] <chalcedony> that might have been a part of the initial problem Daskreech?
[07:33] <Daskreech> quite possible
[07:33] <chalcedony> thank you very much :)
[07:33] <chalcedony> i really do appreciate the time you spent helping me
[07:33] <Daskreech> sure
[07:34] <Daskreech> If I'm around and you are in #akonadi poje me and I'll try and help resolve it
[07:35] <chalcedony> Daskreech, thank you very much, ill look for you :)
[07:36] <Daskreech> :)
[07:37] <dumnut__> hi, i have linksys router and trying to read files of computer 2 from computer 1, when i click on network, it says windows network, is that what i should not see?
[10:11] <oak__> hello. how do I allow gtk-gnutella to open the ports it needs? i'm on kubuntu 11.10 and new to linux
[10:17] <oak__> it says i'm firewalled but i've no idea how to change port settings
[10:18] <oak__> also I connect with wvdial
[10:30] <oak__> oh, i'm not behind a router either
[10:38] <oak__> i fixed it! i did sudo ufw allow <port>
[10:38] <oak__> ha
[11:10] <Whiskey`Wonka> aptitude is crashing when trying to do package depends, apt-get just isnt trying to do it at all. what should be used to take care of package depends
[11:13] <orated> Whiskey`Wonka: What's the exact error and when do you get that?
[11:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> orated: the error is to complex to type, i will screen it. and any time i do anything in aptitude
[11:14] <orated> Did you try <sudo apt-get install -f> ?
[11:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> bah! it uninstall ksnap
[11:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> no i will not force the packages
[11:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> that will jsut make it worse
[11:15] <orated> Can you pastebinit?
[11:15] <orated> sudo apt-get install pastebinit. Then command | pastebinit
[11:15] <orated> ah
[11:15] <orated> Do you have pastebinti installed?
[11:16] <orated> pastebinit* And -f, --fix-broken
[11:18] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://imgur.com/opbzP
[11:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> I can not hardly install anythign right now, depends hell
[11:19] <Whiskey`Wonka> the issue isnt (so much) broken /packages/ as it is /broken package managers/
[11:25] <orated> Whiskey`Wonka:  What all packages are exactly conflicting or have unmet dependencies is not clear with that image. I can only see 3 broken packages. Is this Precise release?
[11:25] <Whiskey`Wonka> orated: yes it is, and as i said, the /main issue/ is that aptitude/apt-get are broken somehow
[11:26] <Whiskey`Wonka> they keep removing 100's of packages and reinstalling the same ones
[11:26] <Whiskey`Wonka> after the error shown in the snap if I press G, it says 245 removes, 245 installs
[11:27] <Whiskey`Wonka> but then it goes on to say packages abcdfg are not installed and will be kept at their current level' and chokes out
[11:27] <Whiskey`Wonka> and all i want to do is get ia32-libs installed
[11:28] <orated> Its case of held back packages
[11:29] <Whiskey`Wonka> it did not list any held back packages that time
[11:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://imgur.com/usETG
[11:31] <Whiskey`Wonka> aptitude spewed again
[11:34] <orated> Can you close the package manager you are using and its other three instances, and run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade > log ? So that uploading log to ubuntu pastebin can help to understand unmet dependencies.. I can suggest to say No to whatever it want to do and wait for the update the come but the unmet dependencies can help.
[11:34] <orated> Ah, so from Internal error: the solver Install(gvfs-daemons ... to lsb-core
[11:35] <Whiskey`Wonka> i do not have 3 other instances, i have /one/
[11:36] <orated> ? breadstick:aptitude 3 tabs
[11:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> and the internal error changes depending on the package(s) trying to be isntalled (ia32-libs in that case and it goes off in wild chains)
[11:36] <orated> er, sorry.
[11:37] <Whiskey`Wonka> still only have aptitude running once, then a windows for apt-get but it wasnt active and the rest are for wine apps i need but wine is nolonger installed
[11:38] <orated> I'm really not sure what to suggest without understanding the reason causing those issues
[11:38] <Whiskey`Wonka> yea same here
[11:38] <orated> Can you 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade > log ' and upload log to pastebin?
[11:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> i can try
[11:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> just sitting at 'reading package lists .... done'
[11:43] <orated> Ok, what's the package name you were trying to install? ia32-libs?
[11:44] <Whiskey`Wonka> ah the log has a input needed
[11:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://pastebin.com/BSmAJu0S
[11:48] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651748
[11:48] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok so thats two of the bugs right there
[11:56] <Daskreech> Whiskey`Wonka, Have you asked in #ubuntu+1 ?
[11:57] <Whiskey`Wonka> nope
[11:58] <Whiskey`Wonka> muon is giving resonable errors again!!
[11:59] <Whiskey`Wonka> 6mo ago it would just segfault
[11:59] <Whiskey`Wonka> ok ia32-lib depends on ia32 multiverse but is a virtual package
[11:59] <Whiskey`Wonka> multiverse depends on things that cannot be isntalled, dunno why yet
[12:00] <Daskreech> do you have multiverse enabled?
[12:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> i never disabled it so it should be
[12:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> its in my sources.list
[12:01] <Whiskey`Wonka> so did something /change/ in how thats done
[12:09] <Daskreech> I don't know. #ubuntu+1 might though
[12:10] <Peace-> Whiskey`Wonka: don'0t use muon then
[12:11] <Peace-> Whiskey`Wonka: you can install from terminal that is fastest
[12:11] <Peace-> Whiskey`Wonka: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/alias-apt-with-auto-complete-kde-4-kubuntu/ù
[12:11] <Peace-> Whiskey`Wonka: http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/02/05/alias-apt-with-auto-complete-kde-4-kubuntu/
[12:12] <Whiskey`Wonka> Peace-: i think you missed the fact that aptitude/apt-get are screwed here
[12:12] <Peace-> Whiskey`Wonka: what does it say ? sudo apt-get update
[12:12] <Whiskey`Wonka> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=651748
[12:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> there is a 2nd bug talked of in that one, where in you to /manualy/ do the package depends
[12:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> both are affecting me
[12:13] <Peace-> Whiskey`Wonka: apt-get works ?
[12:13] <Whiskey`Wonka> as long as it /does not/ have to work out a depend package yes
[12:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> once it has to work on a depend package, forget it
[12:14] <Peace-> your are talking about apt-get or aptitude?
[12:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> both
[12:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> aptitude blows up
[12:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> apt-get just says 'fsck you' and stops
[12:14] <Whiskey`Wonka> it /tells me/ what depends are needed
[12:15] <Peace-> 12.04?
[12:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> but running down the list its 100's of packages
[12:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> yes 12.04
[12:15] <Peace-> #kubuntu-devel
[12:15] <Peace-> ask there
[12:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> why this has been a issue since 10.04
[12:15] <Whiskey`Wonka> 100% same issue
[12:19] <BluesKaj> hiyas all
[12:23] <bigbrovar> BluesKaj: Hi
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hi bigbrovar
[12:32] <Daskreech> hi bigbrovar BluesKaj
[12:34] <Daskreech> Whiskey`Wonka, So it's the jumping between different instances of the same library/package that breaks it?
[12:35] <Whiskey`Wonka> Daskreech: i do not know for sure /what/ breaks it
[12:36] <Daskreech> Whiskey`Wonka, Well so far multiarch seemms to be a popular background phrase
[12:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> there is are known bugs in aptitude and i suspect they directly lead to this
[12:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> -is
[12:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> im slowly getting out of it with apt-get and manualy just installing the depends
[12:36] <Whiskey`Wonka> PITA
[12:37] <Daskreech> Well for most instances installing multiple copies of the same library or binaries means that you wil be curating them by hand
[12:38] <Daskreech> esp if the only thing you use to refer to them is the name
[12:39] <Daskreech> unless you spend a good amount of time sandboxing them at the start
[12:39] <tbruff13> Daskreech: can you help me out please
[12:39] <Daskreech> Which is still a pita but it's just not a delayed pain
[12:39] <Daskreech> tbruff13, I don't know
[12:39] <Whiskey`Wonka> how fun that this is only a issue on *buntu type distros
[12:40] <tbruff13> I love KDE but I still use some Gnome programs like banshee. The issue is there is not banshee icon in the notification bar and when i enabled notification icon banshee crashed
[12:40] <tbruff13> prusmbly becuse it did not find something gnome that it was looking for
[12:40] <Daskreech> Whiskey`Wonka, I've had the same issue on Windows which lead to seriously considering  wiping everything after a day of playing with depends through dlls
[12:41] <Daskreech> The notification bar?
[12:41] <tbruff13> Daskreech: the system tray as you know it
[12:41] <tbruff13> sorry
[12:41] <Whiskey`Wonka> Daskreech: my gentoo boxes do not have this issue. NFC about windows as i dont use it.
[12:42] <Whiskey`Wonka> i use kubuntu cause up till 6mo ago or so, it was 'fire and forget'. it worked, it gave me a stable desktop and let me work. then this hoakum
[12:43] <Whiskey`Wonka> i just need to be able to update the kernel every so often, keep some working wireless drivers, have 3d for google earth and have wine work. not to much i thought
[12:43] <Daskreech> Well I would probably use slackware/gentoo/arch if I was doing a lot of multiarch work as well
[12:44] <Daskreech> From source is much more likely to handle that better
[12:44] <Whiskey`Wonka> yay! musta passed a hump
[12:45] <Daskreech> I would suspect you'd be strangling someone if you were doing CentOS type management at this point
[12:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> now apt-get doesnt just rip out all the libs
[12:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> i think you are right
[12:45] <Whiskey`Wonka> gentoo also got me there. its why my servers are still gent but my laptops are kubuntu
[12:46] <Daskreech> tbruff13, How did you enable the banshee notification?
[12:46] <tbruff13> I went to banshee prefrences and enabled a plugin called notification icno
[12:46] <tbruff13> I went to banshee prefrences and enabled a plugin called notification icon
[12:47] <Daskreech> Ah that's a custom built thing for Unity I think
[12:47] <Daskreech> Hooray for GNOME
[12:47] <tbruff13> Daskreech: it works in Gnome 3 as well
[12:47] <tbruff13> i am checking the offical banshee website
[12:48] <tbruff13> in the mean time can you reccommend something other the amarok
[12:48] <tbruff13> for kde
[12:50] <Daskreech> Clementine?
[12:50] <Daskreech> umm tomawk
[12:51] <Daskreech> I use Kaffiene
[12:51] <BluesKaj> hey Daskreech
[12:51]  * Daskreech waves
[12:52] <BluesKaj> audacious works for me ..right now at least ...VLC is usually my fallback
[13:06] <phillips321_> hi all, anyone know how i can use the thumb buttons of my mouse to switch workspaces?
[13:12] <BluesKaj> power was off fpr a few secs here
[13:12] <BluesKaj> for
[13:14] <phillips321_> Does anyone know how i can configure my mouse thumb buttons in kubuntu?
[13:15] <phillips321_> i would like to map them to Ctrl-Alt-Left and Ctrl-Alt-right
[13:16] <ringlej> I had a kernel panic and after rebooting I can't set my external monitor's screen res to 1280x1024 like I had it before. The KRandRTray utility doesn't give that resolution as an option anymore when I connect the monitor. Highest is 1024x768. Anyone know how the screen size drop down list is populated?
[13:17] <Daskreech> phillips321_, xmodmap
[13:18] <Daskreech> ringlej, xset I believe
[13:22] <ringlej> Daskreech: I don't see anything in xset help that indicates screen resolution options
[13:22] <phillips321_> Daskreech: ill have a little look into this, thanks
[13:30] <ringlej> Daskreech: looks like it might be xrandr
[13:31] <Daskreech> ringlej, Ah That might be it :)
[13:43]  * merlin1991 is searching for the systemfont settings
[13:44] <merlin1991> any not styled text in any window hurts my eyes :/
[13:44] <merlin1991> resolution settings are perfect, but fonts have something bad to them, looks like bad antialasing if I'm honest
[13:47] <merlin1991> is there some aliasing setting to the fonts or similar? because above a size of 9 all fonts look fine
[13:51] <tbruff13> Daskreech: my mutlimedia buttons do not work
[13:51] <tbruff13> how can i set them up
[13:53] <Daskreech> tbruff13, umm I'm giong to say xmodmap but I know there is a multimedia buttons setup thing
[13:53] <Daskreech> Don't remember what it's called now
[13:54] <tbruff13> Daskreech: in mint my fn +f12 skipped songs in any application it does not work right now
[13:58] <MarcWeber> If I try to enable wireless (network management icon bottom right of screen) its deactivated  again immediately. iwlist scan works fine though.
[13:58] <MarcWeber> Any idea where to start debugging this?
[14:07] <Peace-> MarcWeber: iwlist works ?
[14:09] <merlin1991> okay I fixed my earlier problem myself, but now muon-updater is killing me, it's stuck at 60% (running dpkg) the dpkg process running is http://paste.ubuntu.com/892219/ but it is not consuming any system ressources
[14:11] <MarcWeber> Peace-: I also installed wpagui. I saw some log lines disabling because wpa is available or suhc in syslog. Let me retry.
[14:16] <BluesKaj> merlin1991, quit muon , run sudo dpkg --configure -a , then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , in the terminal/konsole
[14:17] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  muon is buggy , it's getting better but it's still not quite right on some setups
[14:20] <MarcWeber> http://dpaste.com/719040/ I'm getting this log when trying to enable wireless
[14:21] <merlin1991> thanks BluesKaj
[14:21] <Peace-> MarcWeber: reading
[14:21] <merlin1991> damn when will this silly realtek network chip I have land in mainline
[14:21] <MarcWeber> Peace-: Give me 5min. Maybe I can solve it by googling.
[14:22] <Peace-> MarcWeber: atheros?
[14:22] <MarcWeber> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/846719
[14:22] <MarcWeber> Let me try this
[14:22] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  realtek is pretty mainstream
[14:23] <merlin1991> BluesKaj: the one I have is buggy with the mainline driver though
[14:23] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  which chip is it exactly ?
[14:24] <merlin1991> from lspci: 3:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 06)
[14:25] <merlin1991> I remember the problems I had when Installing kubuntu, since then the mainline module is blacklisted and I have the one from realtek directly
[14:25] <merlin1991> though worth a shot to see if the new kernel that came with the update resolves the issue
[14:25] <MarcWeber> Peace-: that was is it. blacklisting the module did the trick :)
[14:26] <Peace-> MarcWeber: good
[14:28] <merlin1991> the problems I had were with 3.0.0-12-generic
[14:29] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  ethernet should just work , especially acommon realtek nic like that one
[14:29] <merlin1991> BluesKaj: that one doesn't even work with the windows drivers on windows that came with the motherboard disk
[14:29] <merlin1991> I had to get drivers from the realtek page for windows aswell :D
[14:30]  * merlin1991 tests mainline driver
[14:30] <BluesKaj> wow
[14:32] <merlin1991> wow?
[14:34] <BluesKaj> realtek doesn't work on windows ...that's rare, especially ethernet, merlin1991, that's gotta be a first
[14:34] <merlin1991> :D
[14:34] <merlin1991> hm I need a big file to dl from somewhere in order to test the driver
[14:40] <merlin1991> BluesKaj: the thing is the provided drivers at the time were partly working
[14:40] <merlin1991> everything was fine as long as a single tcp session was shorter than 2 mins
[14:41] <merlin1991> after about 2 mins, I would get a lot of bugs pakets and a dead connection
[14:42] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  as per this guy's problem ? http://unixblogger.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/the-pain-of-an-realtek-rtl8111rtl8168-ethernet-card/
[14:43] <merlin1991> BluesKaj: yeah similar
[14:44] <merlin1991> I actually used that page back then to get the realtek driver running in my system
[14:44] <merlin1991> (I missed the depmod -a step and was wondring why it didn't work)
[14:45] <BluesKaj> but the proprietary driver isn't so great either ?
[14:45] <merlin1991> proprietary one works just fine
[14:45] <BluesKaj> ok
[14:47] <merlin1991> I've got a completely different question too, I have a dual monitor setup and would like not to push that into the xorg.conf, is there any way to provide x with enough hints in order to set it up with its auto detection?
[14:48] <merlin1991> BluesKaj: it looks like the mainline driver in 3.0.0-16  works fine too
[14:54] <BluesKaj> merlin1991, ok so it's now included in the kernel modules
[14:54] <merlin1991> seems to be
[14:54] <merlin1991> I'm currently checking the changelogs for info
[14:56] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  I'nm not a dual monitor user , but depending on your graphics card , are there dual monitor settings with optional xconf being written to?
[14:57] <BluesKaj> in the card's gui
[14:58] <BluesKaj> there is in my nvidia gui , but it writes to nvidia-xconfig
[14:59] <merlin1991> hm I used nvidia x settings to set it up, (using the apply button there) but that only stays for the running session
[14:59] <merlin1991> and the only way in there I saw to make it persistant is to write an xorg.conf
[14:59] <BluesKaj> bummer
[15:00] <merlin1991> there has to be some way to give x hints for the autosetup
[15:06] <Daskreech> merlin1991, hi
[15:08] <merlin1991> hi?
[15:08] <Daskreech> merlin1991, try pull down the Ubuntu DVD for a long term session DL
[15:08] <merlin1991> I pulled 1.9 gb of some game files :)
[15:09] <merlin1991> and it worked so somewhere from 3.0.0-12 to 3.0.0-16 my problem got fixed
[15:10] <merlin1991> I'm now trying to have x autodetect a dual monitor setup
[15:10] <Daskreech> Ah Games. That last bastion of truly huge applications
[15:11] <merlin1991> if you call game content as part of the application, whatabout internet content and the browser? ;)
[15:14] <Daskreech> merlin1991, are they listed as depends in your application manager?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  what does the nvidia gui "Xserver Display Configuration" show ?
[15:15] <merlin1991> BluesKaj: the dual setup i set s few mins aggo
[15:17] <BluesKaj> merlin1991,  did you try "Save to X Configuration File " ..I have to ask the obvious :P
[15:17] <merlin1991> BluesKaj: that's what I want to avoid
[15:17] <BluesKaj> why
[15:17] <merlin1991> I want to keep x in autodetect
[15:17] <merlin1991> just hint it to use the goddamn 2nd monitor aswell
[15:17] <merlin1991> why? because I swap around my monitors a lot
[15:18] <merlin1991> and nothing is funnier than a system that doesn't boot due to wrong settings in the xorg.conf
[15:18] <BluesKaj> IC, well good luck
[15:20] <Daskreech> merlin1991, Hmm I dunno. Monty Python would probably be funnier
[15:21] <BluesKaj> maybe no xorg.conf would be better ?
[15:21] <Daskreech> merlin1991, possibly could ask in #xorg
[15:23] <merlin1991> I'll try
[15:26] <merlin1991> Daskreech:  about the huge applications, it depends on how you view a game, is the whole package the application, or only the engine + gamecode. In the second case you'd  have the same situation as with a browser
[15:26] <orated_> KDE 4.8.1. Kate 3.8.1  View > Split View and Tabs don't work together -- How can I have a tab with two views and second tab with two horizontal split with vertical on right?
[15:27] <Daskreech> merlin1991, if the game data can't be used without that game engine then it's part of the application
[15:31] <orated_> ...
[15:35] <Daskreech> orated_, I see your ... and raise you a ⠇
[15:37] <tbruff13> Daskreech: I am doing my senior project on Kubuntu in schools is there in U.S. precednant i can use
[15:38] <EvilResistance> tbruff13, i can get you precedent for Linux in Schools
[15:38] <EvilResistance> depending on what aspect 'schools' covers
[15:38] <orated_> Daskreech: What? ^
[15:44] <Daskreech> orated_, Hmm never tried to do that before. Might be that it's a single interface layout instead of one per Tab. I guess you could check the code or ask in #kate
[15:49] <orated_> Daskreech: Well, I didn't get your phrase you used initially. I've searching for answers to the kate tab plugin above and gdb plugin from last three days that I went from #kate > #kde > #kubuntu. I marked those dots only to expect some solution today
[15:49] <orated_> I've been*
[15:51] <Daskreech> What did #kate have to say about that configuration?
[15:51] <orated_> <No reply>
[15:51] <sinthetek> i'm having issues with kubuntu crashing pseudo-randomly when i attempt to use this bluetooth adapter i bought
[15:52] <sinthetek> a few times it just froze and once the ui completely died first and i was able to see kernel panic stuff
[15:53] <orated_> Daskreech:  zaufi from #kate asked me to enable gdb plugin with reference to gdb plugin question but its already enabled only then I'd have come across difficulties setting it up. And that was the only response
[15:53] <sinthetek> googling for my specific model laptop has thus far been fruitless, any ideas what i might try? i'm just trying to share files with my phone
[15:54] <sinthetek> i've been able to pair it and see some of the files but it seems to always crash before i actually do anything
[16:06] <Daskreech> sinthetek, It would be more helpful for you to google the adapter I think
[16:06] <Daskreech> or the chipset
[16:22] <DarthFrog> Well, isn't that special.  I just tried to play a video using Xine and KDE crashed. :-(
[16:28] <em> for some reason the lower pannel is not responding. Like the kickstart as well as the available windows.
[16:28] <em> is there a way to reset that without turningg off the computer?
[16:29] <em> oh never mind all of a sudden it worked. It's just lagging...
[16:29] <em> like 3 minutes later it responded to all the clicks I was making on it 3 minutes ago.
[16:53] <KarmaComa> Hello, in kubuntu 12.04 when i type filezilla in terminal it opens normally, when i connect to any host it crashes and this is whats written in terminal "The program 'filezilla' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadWindow (invalid Window parameter)'.  (Details: serial 35106 error_code 3 request_code 152 minor_code 3)  (Note to programmer
[16:53] <BluesKaj> em, check in system monitor what's hogging your resources
[16:54] <KarmaComa> BluesKaj: me?
[16:54] <BluesKaj> no
[16:54] <KarmaComa> ok :)
[16:54] <ikonia> em: you may/probably find it's your video card modules
[16:54] <ikonia> someone else was complaining of the same issue with an ati card the other day
[16:55] <BluesKaj> KarmaComa,  update and upgrade your system , maybe there's a fix upstream
[16:55] <KarmaComa> i checked for updates but it told me your system is updated
[16:56] <BluesKaj> KarmaComa,  ati graphics ?
[16:56] <KarmaComa> yeah
[16:56] <KarmaComa> radeon HD 5570
[16:56] <KarmaComa> with hdmi port plugged
[16:57] <BluesKaj> ikonia,  was the issue with ati and filezilla resolved?
[16:58] <ikonia> sorry, that was for emma
[16:58] <ikonia> not KarmaComa
[16:58] <ikonia> kicker and ati, hogging cpu
[16:58] <orated_> ikonia: I've come across the same issue faced by em multiple times. Nvidia gfx card here but disabled with optimus. Sometimes only stopping kdm fixed it and at times a hard reset
[16:58] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:58] <ikonia> orated_: ahh it may have been nvidia yes
[16:58] <ikonia> the swapper program was going mental trying to engage the 3d module
[16:58] <ikonia> (card swapper not swapped daemon)
[16:59] <orated_> disabled with bumblebee*
[16:59] <orated_> card swapper?
[16:59] <ikonia> I don't know if it was bumblebee, I think he was using some other method to swap it
[17:00] <orated_> I got the nvidia completely disabled that its using only intel integrated. I don't understand what's actually causing it
[17:01] <ikonia> orated_: oh, so you're currently having the same problem too now
[17:03] <orated_> Yes, 4-5 times till now. Killing kdm from tty1 or hard reset were the only options left
[17:07] <Daskreech> em, sounds like you were out of RAM
[17:08] <Daskreech> KarmaComa, great song
[17:08] <KarmaComa> hehe :)
[17:14] <BluesKaj> I've heard of that dumb Karma Chameleon song...hope that's not it , Daskreech :)
[17:14] <KarmaComa> it's an old song of massive attack BluesKaj lol
[17:15] <BluesKaj> uhmm coma = massive attack , must be a dream coma :)
[17:16] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, Massive Attack does some neat foreboding thoughtful songs
[17:16] <KarmaComa> hehe
[17:16] <BluesKaj> metal ?
[17:16] <KarmaComa> no its like hmm weird kind of rock
[17:17] <KarmaComa> alternative
[17:17] <KarmaComa> something like that
[17:17] <BluesKaj> not death metal , I hope
[17:17] <KarmaComa> no not at all
[17:17] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, More like Bass Chanting
[17:18] <BluesKaj> death metal = brain/ear garbage
[17:18] <KarmaComa> it has a slow rhythm
[17:18] <KarmaComa> i agree
[17:18] <BluesKaj> ok , think i've heard some
[17:19] <KarmaComa> but i dont actually like the song that much i just like the idea of the name
[17:19] <KarmaComa> the coma of the karma
[17:19] <KarmaComa> thats attracting me
[17:20] <BluesKaj> or karma of a coma ? :)
[17:20] <KarmaComa> haha
[17:20] <KarmaComa> sort it as you like
[17:20] <KarmaComa> :)
[17:23] <KarmaComa> i got my filezilla working again! by sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade!
[17:24] <BluesKaj> that's what I meant by update and upgrade :)
[17:24] <KarmaComa> i know but i just did that 2 hours ago and was nothing new lol
[17:24] <BluesKaj> ahh
[17:24] <KarmaComa> they are too active with updates in 12.04
[17:25] <jessie> It is still beta.
[17:25] <KarmaComa> yeah beta 1 :/ i hate this fact
[17:25] <KarmaComa> dont wake me up from my dream please :)
[17:26] <KarmaComa> now system restart is needed, bbs
[17:26] <BluesKaj> yeah , 12.04 , kde 4.8.1 here ,but I haven't tried filezilla yet
[17:38] <Daskreech> ha. This is dull time for 12.04
[17:38] <Daskreech> try it in Dec
[17:38] <BluesKaj> I did
[17:42] <Daskreech> Then you have updates like crazy
[17:48] <BluesKaj> Daskreech,  i update/upgrade practically everyday
[17:49] <excognac> hi got serious looking trouble: during booting things ok until the splash screen which remains until reboot,  mouse cursor appears but nothing happens for any keyboard action. Now runnung 3.0.0.12 kernel. Rescue mode fdisk says 4% inconsistent of boot partition
[17:49] <excognac> kde is the lates 4.8.1 from ppa
[17:52] <excognac> sorry i meant fschk
[17:53] <BluesKaj> be careful with fschk
[17:53] <DaemonFC> fsck?
[17:53] <DaemonFC> doesn't that run at boot anyway?
[17:53] <DaemonFC> XFS has done this for years, but it's fast enough to get away with it
[17:53] <BluesKaj> anyway , really have to go now
[17:54] <DaemonFC> an inconsistent file system would mean that the contents of the drive don't match what the journal/"log" (XFS-speak) says it should be
[17:55] <DaemonFC> although I'm not really sure about Ext4-specific details because I won't use it :)
[17:56] <DaemonFC> excognac: have you had any recent system failure, power outage, etc?
[17:57] <DaemonFC> in any event, the journal doesn't guarantee that you won't lose data
[17:57] <excognac> DaemonFC: ok, sorry fsck on rescue system. yes, I had a normal looking boot but had sort of freezes, couldn't use the panel applications were windows-slo
[17:57] <DaemonFC> what the journal does do is make it easier for fsck to salvage the rest of your file system if you do lose data
[17:58] <excognac> DaemonFC: I see. What would be the next thing to try to do?
[17:59] <excognac> DaemonFC: the only other unusual thing is i can hear sometimes the HD and this is a laptop
[17:59] <DaemonFC> I would look through my kernel and x.org logs to see if I could spot any suspicious error messages that might point to the source of the problem
[17:59] <excognac> DaemonFC: ok, I'll do so
[18:00] <DaemonFC> the syslog is pretty thorough about logging kernel events, and is a good source of information when weird things happen
[18:00] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, Yes but you'll get a new feature followed by a system crashing bug followed by a fix in less than 20 minutes when it's in alpha
[18:00] <DaemonFC> KDE has a convenient system log viewer called ksystemlog
[18:01] <Daskreech> excognac, If you can boot to a live environment it may help debugging
[18:01] <DaemonFC> I don't use Ext4 because I don't trust Ext4 :) I disagree with distributions that unfortunately use it by default
[18:02] <DaemonFC> it has become a pile of half-implemented features and incompatible mount options
[18:02] <DaemonFC> it has lots of bugs
[18:02] <Daskreech> Really?
[18:02] <DaemonFC> it pushes the limits of the ext2 data structures
[18:02] <DaemonFC> it's a really nasty thing
[18:02] <Daskreech> The point of people using it is that it is a known quantity
[18:02] <DaemonFC> yeah, really
[18:03] <DaemonFC> my advice is that if you're using a recent kernel you should just use XFS and take the default mount options
[18:03] <Daskreech> you can pretty much disable most stuff you don't use but that's the same as using ext3 or ext2
[18:03] <DaemonFC> recent being 2.6.39 or later
[18:03] <DaemonFC> (but 3.0 and 3.2 are excellent and longterm kernel releases, so I'd suggest them)
[18:04] <DaemonFC> Daskreech: The latest thing the Ext4 developers have done that I could easily point out as a WTF is BigAlloc
[18:05] <DaemonFC> but the fundamentals of the Ext2/3/4 file system are rooted in the 1980s
[18:05] <Daskreech> I Don't use Big Alloc so I just don't use it :)
[18:05] <DaemonFC> bitmapping, hashed trees
[18:05] <Daskreech> Once I can boot my computer again I'm running Btrfs
[18:06] <DaemonFC> Daskreech: The only Ubuntu that's new enough that you could possibly set BigAlloc (and only with the alternate installer I might add) is 12.04
[18:06] <Daskreech> Yeah but I'm running F17
[18:07] <DaemonFC> BigAlloc has the potential to speed up your allocations by a factor of 2, and that comes at the cost of potentially decreasing your available disk space by a factor of, well, into the hundreds really
[18:07] <excognac> Well, how do I make it display older logs<? Only shows now this boot session, which is not even the same kernel
[18:07] <DaemonFC> if you choose an allocation size of 1 MB at file system creation time, then unpacking a Linux kernel source tarball will take about 260 gigabytes
[18:07] <DaemonFC> :)
[18:08] <DaemonFC> and there's no way to change that without reformatting
[18:09] <DaemonFC> Daskreech: There's no technical reason why you can't have XFS as your only data partition on Fedora other than their installer won't let you
[18:10] <DaemonFC> Grub Legacy was corrupting XFS file systems if they were the boot partition, occasionally
[18:10] <DaemonFC> it was a race condition, most of the time it wouldn't, until it did
[18:10] <DaemonFC> Grub 2 doesn't have that problem and never has
[18:10] <DaemonFC> Ubuntu lets you put all your data on XFS and make it the boot partition as well
[18:10] <Daskreech> excognac, check /var/log ?
[18:10] <excognac> ok got it. could be this a problem [    1.466238] ERST: Table is not found!  ?
[18:11] <DaemonFC> doubtful, mine says that too
[18:11] <DaemonFC> and always has
[18:12] <DaemonFC> most BIOS's don't have an ERST
[18:13] <DaemonFC> it's not part of the ACPI standard anyway
[18:13] <DaemonFC> it's one of Microsoft's proprietary extensions
[18:13] <excognac> another candidate: [    1.570016] ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.0: cache line size of 64 is not supported
[18:14] <DaemonFC> that would probably be something about your webcam
[18:14] <DaemonFC> power saving to be precise (but it's a feature any USB hardware could potentially have)
[18:15] <DaemonFC> I'd chalk that up to more harmless chatter
[18:16] <DaemonFC> excognac: typically you'd be looking for something that says ERROR, WARNING, or is followed by an exclamation mark
[18:16] <DaemonFC> something along those lines
[18:16] <excognac> DaemonFC: sure, i'm looking for those
[18:16] <DaemonFC> x86 PC hardware is lulzy
[18:17] <DaemonFC> you won't find many kernel logs that don't say something weird during the boot process
[18:17] <excognac> [    2.125845] sdhci-pci 0000:02:00.1: Invalid iomem size. You may experience problems.
[18:17] <Daskreech> argh
[18:18] <Daskreech> I need to sleep
[18:18] <Daskreech> I read that as invalid women size
[18:18] <DaemonFC> that's usually talking about one of those card reader things
[18:19] <DaemonFC> and it's usually bogus at that
[18:21] <excognac> DaemonFC: ok, I'll try another boot, see what happens. BRB
[18:26] <excognac> DaemonFC:
[18:26] <excognac> DaemonFC: succesful boot: [   37.551558] EXT4-fs (sda6): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro,commit=0
[18:26] <DaemonFC> yeah, that doesn't mean that nothing is missing :)
[18:27] <DaemonFC> you might want to check around
[18:27] <DaemonFC> candidates would be settings for applications that were open during the crash
[18:28] <DaemonFC> if those are still there then chances are you didn't actually lose anything
[18:28] <DaemonFC> if you find that your applications have forgotten their settings, it could mean that the configuration files were trashed when the system went down
[18:29] <DaemonFC> which is annoying but not a disaster
[18:29] <excognac> DaemonFC: no, I had no important work going on, probably [   16.223389] acer_wmi: No or unsupported WMI interface, unable to load cause the troble
[18:30] <DaemonFC> WMI is Windows Management Instrumentation
[18:30] <DaemonFC> as the name implies, it's Microsoft proprietary BIOS crap
[18:31] <excognac> so it doesn't bloody matter
[18:31] <DaemonFC> it's common on laptops and implements support for the "special laptop keys"
[18:31] <DaemonFC> and some Nvidia cards use it
[18:31] <excognac> ok, I  assume it is time to read a book about linux basics
[18:32] <DaemonFC> The BIOS is about half standardized and half dumping ground for whatever Microsoft feels like telling BIOS vendors to put there
[18:32] <DaemonFC> pretty typical really
[18:33] <excognac> I see, I have the regular oversimplified BIOS.
[18:33] <DaemonFC> excognac: BIOS ACPI implementations don't check for feature levels supported by the OS as such
[18:33] <DaemonFC> they check for feature levels by asking the OS what version of Windows it is
[18:34] <DaemonFC> so Linux tells it it's every version of Windows
[18:34] <excognac> lol
[18:34] <DaemonFC> oh look, we support everything!
[18:35] <DaemonFC> because we're every version of Windows ever released with an ACPI implementation
[18:35] <DaemonFC> Stewie from Family Guy: "What are you looking at? It's tunafish.....and nothing more!"
[18:35] <BluesKaj> it would be nice if a bios aimed at linux kernels was dev'd
[18:35] <DaemonFC> Linux hasn't said it was Linux in that case since Linux 2.6.9
[18:36] <DaemonFC> it stopped doing that because some BIOS vendors started putting in Linux code paths that were totally broken
[18:36] <DaemonFC> either it was well intentioned but stuffed or malicious, take your pick
[18:36] <DaemonFC> but it's why Linux stopped doing that and started claiming to be Windows
[18:37] <DaemonFC> BIOSes are like Internet Explorer the boot firmware
[18:37] <BluesKaj> wonder why MS doesn't order a cease and desist
[18:38] <DaemonFC> they can't
[18:38] <DaemonFC> it's an API
[18:39] <DaemonFC> there's nothing more illegal about telling the BIOS you support the feature levels of Windows than there is about spoofing your browser user agent to say it is MSIE to get a broken website to work
[18:39] <BluesKaj> they have lawyers
[18:39] <DaemonFC> it's just terribly unfortunate
[18:39] <DaemonFC> and lends some legitimacy to the practice of checking for Windows instead of feature levels
[18:40] <BluesKaj> legitamacy eh , not so much in a linux environment ;)
[18:41] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: Well, we saw how browser user agents worked out
[18:41] <DaemonFC> at this point Chrome just says it's like 20 things at once
[18:41] <DaemonFC> because someone out there probably has a script that checks for each one of them like it was a reliable way to determine browser functionality
[18:42] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: The BIOS checks for Windows NT, not the marketing names
[18:42] <BluesKaj> i suppose while Linux remains small potatoes , MS doesn't seem threatened in terms of home users
[18:43] <DaemonFC> Linux will answer that it is Windows NT 6.1, 6.0, 5.2, 5.1, 5.0, and if the BIOS asks (most don't anymore), it's NT 4.0 as well
[18:43] <DaemonFC> and some check the internal revision numbers for Windows Me and 98 which both had crude ACPI support
[18:43] <DaemonFC> and it will say it's those too if the BIOS asks (most don't anymore)
[18:44] <DaemonFC> if Microsoft had a case they'd have done something by now
[18:44] <DaemonFC> telling everyone but Windows that they have to stop working on all PCs would probably attract some antitrust proceedings
[18:45] <BluesKaj> heh, my other pcwon't even boot into bios anymore ...done cmos clearing with battery removed procedures , and of course it won't boot at all
[18:46] <BluesKaj> KB works, but boot disks won't load
[18:47] <DaemonFC> EFI and uEFI just make the problems worse
[18:47] <DaemonFC> boot firmware that's a hundred times the size will have at least 100 times as many bugs
[18:48] <DaemonFC> if they only cared about improving the boot process, they'd just start shipping boards with Coreboot
[18:48] <BluesKaj> think the mobo might be kaput , or some parts of it
[18:48] <DaemonFC> and if they needed them to run Windows, they'd ship the BIOS compatibility module with it
[18:49] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: I don't ever mess with BIOS flashing or anything like that
[18:49] <DaemonFC> unless the system is so messed up that it's giving me severe problems
[18:50] <DaemonFC> when the firmware is on a programmable ROM like that, don't touch it unless you have to
[18:50] <DaemonFC> if it's working, leave it alone
[18:50] <BluesKaj> I didn't either , it just stopped at the BIOS options scrn after I repartitoned the HDD to install 12.04 , but 12.04 wouldn't load , and that was it.
[18:51] <BluesKaj> it's not loading the bios , won't boot into it
[18:51] <BluesKaj> reseated all the RAMsticks
[18:54] <DaemonFC> it won't let you enter the BIOS setup program?
[18:54] <DaemonFC> if that's the case then it probably is toast
[18:54] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: did you try taking all the memory out and booting it?
[18:55] <DaemonFC> the BIOS will still load and so will the setup program
[18:55] <DaemonFC> you just won't get any further than that
[18:55] <BluesKaj> no , i didn't try that
[18:55] <DaemonFC> try taking the memory out, powering it on, and see if you can get into the BIOS setup program
[18:55] <BluesKaj> hmm, but what good will that do
[18:55] <DaemonFC> if you can, there's usually something that says Load Optimized Defaults
[18:55] <DaemonFC> select that, save and exit
[18:55] <DaemonFC> power down the computer
[18:56] <DaemonFC> unplug it
[18:56] <DaemonFC> put the memory back in, and try booting it up
[18:56] <BluesKaj> ok , bbiab
[18:56] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: When you're dealing with problems like this, sometimes it's better not to even ask why it worked
[18:56] <DaemonFC> and just be happy if it does
[18:56] <DaemonFC> :)
[18:57] <DaemonFC> I had a system that did something similar to me at one point
[18:58] <georgelappies> hi all, sometimes when my laptop screengoes into power save mode there is no way to get it back up. I need to hold in the power button until it goes of? is there anything I can do?
[19:00] <BluesKaj> pulled the memory sticks, no screen at all , just beeping every 5 secs
[19:00] <DaemonFC> BluesKaj: Another trick is taking all the RAM out except for one stick
[19:00] <DaemonFC> and attempting to boot
[19:00] <DaemonFC> and if it doesn't work, take the stick out, put it in another bank, and try to boot
[19:00] <DaemonFC> if you get through all the banks and it doesn't work, try a different module
[19:01] <DaemonFC> that would eliminate the possibility of it being a bad bank or a bad module
[19:01] <DaemonFC> if it's a bad module, just replace the module later
[19:02] <DaemonFC> if it's a bad bank, but the board still works, you've lost one memory bank but the system works
[19:02] <DaemonFC> if you needed the extra memory though you'd need a new board at that point
[19:03] <prateekagr> what is sonnet library?
[19:11] <Kanerix> Alright, story time
[19:11] <Kanerix> I don't want nepomuk running, so I disable the service
[19:11] <Kanerix> Akonadi doesn't like that
[19:12] <Kanerix> and keeps throwing up these horribly annoying warnings
[19:12] <Kanerix> I can't disable it
[19:12] <Kanerix> rebooting re-enables akonadi
[19:12] <Kanerix> and it keeps throwing up on nepomuk not running
[19:12] <DaemonFC> some parts of KDE 4.8 won't even work at all without Akonadi and Nepomuk
[19:12] <Kanerix> What if I don't want to use anything at all related to the PIM stuff?
[19:13] <Kanerix> will it still be stupidly broken?
[19:13] <DaemonFC> then you could probably get away with shutting it off
[19:13] <Kanerix> It won't shut off
[19:13] <Kanerix> which is my problem
[19:13] <DaemonFC> under Desktop Search in the KDE control center
[19:14] <Kanerix> I tried removing akonadi server, and half of KDE has it listed as a dependency even though I do not want to use any of those features
[19:14] <DaemonFC> whoa
[19:14] <Kanerix> Awesome, huh?
[19:14] <DaemonFC> that's something I haven't seen
[19:14] <Kanerix> Yeah...
[19:15] <Kanerix> If I try to force-remove akonadi-server and break teh dependencies, everything still runs perfectly fine, but... now I can't use apt-get to install anything as it pukes over broken dependencies
[19:15] <DaemonFC> we'll TEACH you to like it!
[19:15] <DaemonFC> B-)
[19:16] <Kanerix> So if I ever want to install anything ever again, I have to apt-get download <package> and then dpkg --force-depends -i <package<
[19:16] <Kanerix> *>
[19:16] <Kanerix> So this whole process has been somewhat... annoying
[19:16] <DaemonFC> that's, not a good habit to be in
[19:16] <Kanerix> I'm aware
[19:16] <georgelappies> hi all, sometimes when my laptop screengoes into power save mode there is no way to get it back up. I need to hold in the power button until it goes of? is there anything I can do?
[19:16] <Kanerix> georgelappies, You may need to check your BIOS' suspend mode
[19:16] <DaemonFC> georgelappies: Do you use AMD's Catalyst/FGLRX driver?
[19:17] <Kanerix> or that
[19:17] <Kanerix> DaemonFC, so... is there a reasonable way to disable nepomuk without going into this stupid hell of suck?
[19:17] <georgelappies> DaemonFC: yes I do, is the problem related to that?
[19:17] <DaemonFC> yeah :)
[19:17] <DaemonFC> there's two ways around it
[19:17] <DaemonFC> 1. Remove it and use the open source driver
[19:18] <DaemonFC> (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED)
[19:18] <georgelappies> Kanerix: What should it be at?
[19:18] <DaemonFC> 2. Generate a xorg.conf, then go in and disable Catalyst's DPMS support
[19:18] <DaemonFC> which means your display will never shut off
[19:18] <DaemonFC> and you'll use more power
[19:18] <Kanerix> georgelappies, try DaemonFC's thing first
[19:18] <yofel> Kanerix: kde should work mostly fine without nepomuk, I have it off myself. As for akonadi, it's required, really
[19:19] <georgelappies> DaemonFC: how would I do that? Install the open source driver / remove the proprietery one?
[19:19] <yofel> and akonadi shouldn't even be running unless something that uses it is launched
[19:19] <DaemonFC> removing the proprietary driver is something like sudo apt-get purge fglrx*
[19:19] <Kanerix> yofel, okay, how do I make akonadi not bitterly complain about nepomuk being off?
[19:19] <DaemonFC> and that should take care of it
[19:20] <DaemonFC> and then sudo apt-get autoremove to get rid of all the crap it takes to build and install its modules that you won't be needing anymore
[19:20] <DaemonFC> then you'd reboot
[19:20] <yofel> Kanerix: do you have a specific error/warning at hand? I don't see any of those myself
[19:20] <yofel> which kde version are you using btw.?
[19:20] <DaemonFC> if you've created a xorg.conf for Catalyst, you should delete it before you reboot
[19:21] <georgelappies> DaemonFC: Do i need to be delete the xorg , lol just wanted to ask that :)
[19:21] <DaemonFC> sudo rm -v /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[19:21] <DaemonFC> or else X will end up trying to load a driver that isn't there and hang itself
[19:21] <DaemonFC> the open source driver doesn't require a xorg.conf unless you want to use custom settings
[19:22] <georgelappies> ok thanks, going to reboot :)
[19:22] <Kanerix> yofel, KDE 4.7.4
[19:22] <yofel> ah, 4.7 does complain a bit much about nepomuk being off, right
[19:22] <Kanerix> yeah...
[19:22] <Kanerix> Is upgrading the only way to fix that?
[19:22] <DaemonFC> nobody should be touching proprietary display drivers
[19:22] <DaemonFC> they're bad for you
[19:22] <DaemonFC> :)
[19:22] <DaemonFC> even though it may not be immediately obvious
[19:22] <yofel> not sure, IIRC it only shows a warning on login, or does it show it all the time?
[19:23] <Kanerix> yofel, yeah I get it frequently
[19:24] <yofel> I don't know then, sorry. For 4.7 I had nepomuk on and only strigi off. That worked reasonably fine here
[19:25] <Kanerix> You mentioned that it doesn't complain in 4.8 though, right?
[19:25] <yofel> 4.8 is fine with nepomuk not running, right
[19:26] <Kanerix> Alright, now to figure out how to upgrade kde...
[19:26]  * Kanerix goes to tinker
[19:26] <yofel> Kanerix: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.8.1
[19:29] <DaemonFC> the way I understand it is that more and more things are requiring Akonadi and Nepomuk before they'll even work
[19:29] <Kanerix> Feature creep
[19:29] <DaemonFC> my system is really fast with lots of RAM so I jsut don't even care about trying to shut things off
[19:30] <Kanerix> I've got an aging laptop and I do more things in shell than in GUI, but I frequently need GUI programs
[19:30] <Kanerix> I despise gnome, and xfce is bothersome
[19:30] <Kanerix> lxde isn't quite there either
[19:30] <DaemonFC> XFCE isn't bothersome
[19:30] <DaemonFC> what Xubuntu does to it is
[19:30] <Kanerix> heh
[19:30] <DaemonFC> but that's a whole different story
[19:30] <Kanerix> well... strictly speaking... I'm on mint 12
[19:31] <Kanerix> but these systems are similar enough
[19:31] <DaemonFC> Mint with XFCE would be their Debian Edition now
[19:31] <Kanerix> I prefer not to use XFCE
[19:31] <Kanerix> which is why I called it bothersome
[19:31] <DaemonFC> Mint 12 KDE is just Kubuntu Oneiric with some tweaking
[19:31] <DaemonFC> I don't really even see the point
[19:32] <Kanerix> heh
[19:32] <DaemonFC> you get a different wallpaper, duckduckgo is your search engine and oh yeah, there's a 3-4 month lag behind Kubuntu releases
[19:32] <DaemonFC> JOY!
[19:32] <Kanerix> It was a bitch to get nouveau removed and put the latest proprietary drivers on
[19:32] <Kanerix> They put nouveau in the initramfs
[19:33] <Tsou-L> Hello guys.I am Kubuntu new user and i wanted to know which is a good video player (was using KMPlayer on W7) to play all kind of movies (720p,1080p included).
[19:34] <Kanerix> I'm actually new to the whole ubuntu scene in general. I've been using suse for years.
[19:34] <Kanerix> Tsou-L, I prefer VLC, personally
[19:35] <Tsou-L> Thanks alot Kanerix.Do i need to install VLC only,or have to download a package with some codex etc?
[19:35] <Kanerix> VLC depends on the codecs. If you go to videolan.org/vlc I'm sure there's instructions
[19:35] <Kanerix> It should install all the codecs it needs as part of the process
[19:36] <Kanerix> I gotta run AFK for a few. Good luck! Thanks DaemonFC and yofel!
[19:37] <BluesKaj> Tsou-L,  make sure you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed
[19:37] <Tsou-L> Yeah i am downloading them atm.
[19:38] <DaemonFC> take Kare :)
[19:39] <Tsou-L> After installing "alot" of programms do i need to reboot like Windows?
[19:41] <yofel> usually not
[19:42] <Kanerix> heh welcome to linux: unless you're updating kernel related stuff, you don't generally have to reboot
[19:43] <Kanerix> Unlike Windows, where "Your mouse has moved. Windows needs to be restarted for the changes to take effect."
[19:44] <DaemonFC> Kanerix: kernel and some other things
[19:44] <DaemonFC> glibc for instance
[19:44] <Kanerix> well true
[19:45] <Kanerix> I work on a lot of embedded systems. They are debian based, but heavily stripped. As an experiment, I tried to install the apt-get system. Well, apt-get uninstalled glibc
[19:46] <Kanerix> My experiment was thus concluded
[19:47] <Daskreech> prateekagr, Umm last I remember it was a spelling library
[19:47] <Daskreech> Kanerix, try removing your clock
[19:47] <Kanerix> What?
[19:48] <prateekagr> yeah its a part of kde libs
[19:57] <Tsou-L> How can i change how much Gb can i store in Recycle Bin?
[19:58] <Tsou-L> Or otherwise,does Shift+Del work on Linux?
[19:58] <Peace-> Tsou-L: easy
[20:00] <Peace-> Tsou-L: right click on the trash
[20:00] <Peace-> Tsou-L: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/20/plasma-desktopo21904.png
[20:01] <Peace-> Tsou-L: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/20/plasma-desktopN21904.png
[20:01] <Tsou-L> Peace: Found it,thanks!
[20:04] <Kanerix> I just rm things...
[20:04] <Peace-> Kanerix: well you have not the ctrl z feature for that
[20:05] <Peace-> Kanerix: on dolphin if you delete files pressing CTRL Z you can undo your action
[20:06] <Kanerix> heh yeah
[20:06] <Kanerix> I do most of that through terminal anyway
[20:06] <Kanerix> If I decide to remove it, I'm pretty certain that I want it gone...
[20:06] <Peace-> rm is dangerous
[20:06] <Kanerix> Of course
[20:07] <Peace-> you can't recover
[20:07] <Kanerix> Yes I can
[20:07] <Kanerix> but I'm not normal
[20:07] <BluesKaj> rm -rf is permanent
[20:08] <Peace-> BluesKaj: i just use dolphin
[20:08] <Peace-> :D
[20:08] <Kanerix> Yes, but I can replace anything I need to
[20:09] <BluesKaj> Peace-,  yeah , the delete option in the dialog
[20:13] <Tsou-L> Guys,i just deleted from Trash a 8gb movie and it used 90% of my Quadcore CPU power for about a minute.How should i delete them next time to be sure they are gone and be alil bit more faster?
[20:14] <Peace-> Tsou-L: use the terminal
[20:14] <Kanerix> Depends on your file system
[20:14] <Kanerix> or use rm
[20:14] <Kanerix> =D
[20:14] <Peace-> Tsou-L: if you need to remove a file just do rm file
[20:14] <Kanerix> hehe
[20:14] <Kanerix> It's dangerous, but fast
[20:14] <Kanerix> =D
[20:14] <Peace-> yep
[20:14] <FloodBotK1> Kanerix: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[20:14] <Kanerix> er, sorry
[20:16] <Tsou-L> For rm file command should i go to the specific Folder via terminal and go for "sudo rm moviename" or "rm moviename" ?
[20:16] <Peace-> Tsou-L: open dolphin
[20:16] <Peace-> Tsou-L: press F4
[20:17] <Kanerix> I guess when you work on embedded systems enough, you get used to not having a GUI for a lot of things.
[20:17] <Peace-> Tsou-L: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/20/plasma-desktops21904.png
[20:20] <Peace-> Kanerix: i use dolphin with konsole integrated
[20:20] <Peace-> so.
[20:21] <Tsou-L> Peace: I did go to Pictures on Dolphin,pressed F4 and i want to delete a pic named 123   ...i wrote rm 123 and nothing happened.Which is the correct command? Tsou<--- newbie here! :D
[20:21] <Kanerix> Although, yakuake is indispensable
[20:22] <Peace-> Tsou-L: terminal has the autocomplete function
[20:22] <Peace-> Tsou-L: for example
[20:22] <Daskreech> Kanerix, Despise is such a strong word ;0
[20:22] <Peace-> if in your folder there is a file called                 my music file.mp3
[20:22] <Peace-> you nedd to type
[20:22] <Peace-> my     then press TAB
[20:23] <Peace-> it will automatically autocompelte the name
[20:24] <Peace-> Tsou-L: i just typed here  rm de
[20:24] <Peace-> Tsou-L: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/20/plasma-desktopC21904.png
[20:24] <Peace-> Tsou-L: and then i pressed the key TAB
[20:24] <Daskreech> Kanerix, You despise Gnome
[20:24] <Daskreech> Tsou-L, also shift delete works
[20:25] <Kanerix> Daskreech, That was... um... nearly an hour ago
[20:25] <Tsou-L> Thanks guys.It did remove it the first time,but i needed to reopen Dolphin to NOT show it there.
[20:25] <Kanerix> but yeah, gnome doesn't work for me at all
[20:25] <Peace-> Tsou-L: press F5 on dolphin
[20:25] <Peace-> Tsou-L: it reload the folder
[20:26] <Peace-> reloads
[20:26] <Daskreech> Kanerix, I'm catching up. Sue me :)
[20:26] <Tsou-L> Oh,F5 works here too?I think i must think alil like i am using Windows atleast in basic shortcuts :P
[20:26] <Peace-> Tsou-L: sure
[20:27] <Peace-> Tsou-L: basically every shortcuts
[20:27] <Peace-> crtl c ctrl v
[20:27] <Peace-> ctrl z
[20:27] <Tsou-L> Happy to hear that,they made my life easier back on Windows
[20:27] <Peace-> it's kde
[20:29]  * Kanerix prepares litigation...
[20:29] <Kanerix> hehe
[20:29] <Daskreech> Kanerix, if you want to stop using nepomuk you can try removing your clock I think it checks the calendar for events from the PIM suite so would pull in Akonadi and Nepomuk etc
[20:29] <Peace-> remove nepomuck ?
[20:30] <Peace-> i guess you can't
[20:30] <Peace-> just disable it
[20:30] <Peace-> systemsettings  http://wstaw.org/m/2012/03/20/plasma-desktopm21904.png
[20:30] <Kanerix> Daskreech, I ended up just upgrading to KDE 4.8
[20:32] <Tsou-L> And now a maybe stupid Question.I installed Skype version 2.2!Is there any chance (considering that m$ bought Skype) for a newer/better Skype release for Linux?
[20:32] <Peace-> Tsou-L: hahahah it's enough like answer?
[20:33] <Peace-> xd
[20:33] <Tsou-L> Peace: Yeah.. :P
[20:33] <Peace-> Tsou-L: i use gmail video audio talk btw
[20:33] <Peace-> Tsou-L:with the logitech it's awensome
[20:34] <Kanerix> Switching to terminal for better multitasking
[20:34] <Tsou-L> Peace: I dont really wanna leave Skype behind.. if this ver isnt enough for me i will propably use virtualization with XP
[20:36] <Daskreech> What's Skype done now?
[20:36] <Peace-> Tsou-L: shoudl work btw into linux
[20:36] <Peace-> Tsou-L: i mean skype works on linux
[20:37] <Peace-> but you need a proper webcam
[20:37] <Peace-> my logitech c310 works out of the box
[20:37] <Tsou-L> Well my Camera works great. :D
[20:52] <BluesKaj> hmm, isn't google chat-video eating skypes's lunch or is this just on windows ?
[20:52] <chalcedony> Daskreech, good to see you :)
[20:53] <Daskreech> hi chalcedony
[20:53] <chalcedony> Daskreech, are you up to working on the D-Bus issue?
[20:54] <Daskreech> I suppose though I should leave soon to pick up somethign for my uncle
[20:54] <chalcedony> Daskreech, whenever is good for you
[20:54] <Daskreech> What's up? :)
[20:55] <chalcedony> with you i won't have to backtrack so much to explain it, i think
[20:55] <chalcedony> D-Bus session bus is not available!
[20:55] <chalcedony> Could not connect to D-Bus server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed: /bin/dbus-launch terminated abnormally with the following error: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed.
[20:55] <chalcedony> Daskreech, you told me to ask in #akonadi
[20:55] <chalcedony> :)
[20:56] <chalcedony> i'm there too but no one answered yet
[20:56] <chalcedony> today
[20:56] <chalcedony> billie did last night - but i was too tired to continue
[20:59] <Daskreech> Did Billie have anything interesting to say
[20:59] <Tsou-L> Hey guys,another problem came up.I was trying VLC to see if it works and it worked perfectly.Then i opened the same movie with double-click and opened it with Dragon Player.I closed it and reopened it with VLC.The problem is that the color screwed up.. blue was displayed green,green was displayed purple etc.What is happening?If i restart the prob goes away
[20:59] <Daskreech> BluesKaj, Being able to share screen still rocks
[21:00] <almoxarife> I need a dark theme along the lines of ubuntu's default dark theme, these light themes are an eye strain
[21:00] <almoxarife> anyone have a suggestion for a dark theme/colors?
[21:01] <yofel> from the default ones Obsidian Coast is nice - or Zion (reversed) if you want black
[21:03] <yofel> there are some dark plasma themes too
[21:03] <almoxarife> yofel: plasma theme?
[21:04] <yofel> theme settings for the workspace (plasma) and applications are seperate
[21:04] <Tsou-L> Hey guys,another problem came up.I was trying VLC to see if it works and it worked perfectly.Then i opened the same movie with double-click and opened it with Dragon Player.I closed it and reopened it with VLC.The problem is that the color screwed up.. blue was displayed green,green was displayed purple etc.What is happening?If i restart the prob goes away
[21:04] <almoxarife> with a gtk counterpart is what I need, something that unifies all apps
[21:06] <yofel> hm, well, by default we use oxygen-gtk as theme for gtk which will use the same color settings as KDE
[21:06] <almoxarife> yofel: thanks
[21:11] <yofel> Tsou-L: sounds like something sets a wrong Hue value, but please don't ask me what
[21:13] <Tsou-L> yofel: Any chance you know where can i find a fix?
[21:14] <Tsou-L> Plus,how do i set VLC as a default player?
[21:14] <ardian> Hi im having a problem the battery icon on the taskbar shows that my battery is 100% charging
[21:15] <chalcedony> Daskreech, Billie asked for logs to be pastebinned. i wasn't sure what to show
[21:15] <ardian> will it destroy my battery ? cause in windows 7 it tells you when its charged
[21:15] <ardian> so it does stop charging power
[21:17] <yofel> ardian: it should say charged when it's done
[21:18] <ardian> yofel: it doesn't that's the problem
[21:19] <yofel> Tsou-L: I believe you have to change the default per file-type, you can do that either from the file preferences for from system settings -> file associations
[21:19] <yofel> maybe there's a better way to edit the mime-type settings, but that's what I do
[21:20] <yofel> ardian: if you open konsole and run 'upower --dump', what does it say for the batter under state: ?
[21:20] <yofel> *battery
[21:22] <ardian> yofel:     percentage:          100%
[21:22] <ardian>     capacity:            97.7273%
[21:22] <ardian>     technology:          lithium-ion
[21:22] <yofel> above it should say:     state:               fully-charged
[21:22] <ardian> state:               charging
[21:22] <yofel> hm
[21:22] <ardian> I know on win7 it is charged
[21:23] <yofel> then the applet is fine.
[21:23] <yofel> if it still says charging in like half an hour file a bug against the kernel or so, not sure
[21:27] <ardian> yofel: ok it says charged now :D
[21:28] <yofel> good :)
[21:53] <tbruff13> Daskreech, can you help me set up my multimedia keys i found a guide that no longer works
[21:54] <danielo> welcome back
[21:54] <danielo> I would like to ask You about installing kubuntu on a flash drive (pendrive, sdcard) for boot
[21:55] <tbruff13> danielo, do you need my help
[21:55] <tbruff13> I can help you with that
[21:55] <tbruff13> Daskreech, here is the guide I am using, but https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys
[21:55] <tbruff13> package xev does not exist
[21:57] <danielo> I've found already solution, but It demand not iso image but image *img
[21:57] <danielo> and I do not know where to get that one
[21:57] <danielo> I've found one, but it hardy.img
[21:58] <tbruff13> danielo, please explain what you are trying to do
[21:58] <tbruff13> danielo, if you are trying to put Ubuntu on a flashdrive from Linux
[21:58] <danielo> I am trying to have kubuntu on 8GB pendrive
[21:58] <danielo> to run it on all komputers :P
[21:58] <tbruff13> danielo, are you in Kubuntu right now
[21:58] <danielo> I wonna have fully customizable linux, not only live cd on pednrive
[21:59] <danielo> yes of corse
[21:59] <danielo> allways
[21:59] <tbruff13> danielo, do you have a disc or another flash drive
[21:59] <danielo> I have mounted 8GB pendrive
[21:59] <danielo> /dev/sdb1 on /media/0cdef892-f656-498f-bc99-740febab3953 type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks)
[22:00] <tbruff13> danielo, do you have another flash driver or a DVD
[22:00] <tbruff13> a second one
[22:00] <danielo> Yes with kubuntu 11.10 live on it :P
[22:00] <danielo> but I can save there my session and install new packages
[22:01] <danielo> that one is ony 1GB
[22:01] <tbruff13> danielo, ok do you have two usb ports in your laptop
[22:01] <danielo> yest
[22:01] <danielo> I've already installed kubuntu from that live usb kubuntu to that 8gb, but when I run system from that 8gb usb stick, I've got an error
[22:02] <danielo> something like bad disk
[22:02] <tbruff13> danielo, ok here is what you do put both of the flash drives in your computer and install onto the flashdrive
[22:02] <tbruff13> danielo, okay
[22:02] <tbruff13> danielo, one second
[22:02] <tbruff13> danielo, okay here is what you need to do click on the K Menu
[22:03] <danielo> ?
[22:03] <tbruff13> and look of a program that you can use to format your flash dirve
[22:03] <tbruff13> and look of a program that you can use to format your flash drive
[22:03] <tbruff13> format it to the Fat file system and
[22:03] <danielo> cfdisk? gparted?
[22:04] <tbruff13> danielo, it does not matter
[22:04] <danielo> but wich flash drive? that 8gb when I wonna install kubuntu?
[22:04] <tbruff13> danielo, the 8 gig one yes
[22:04] <danielo> ok
[22:04] <danielo> done
[22:05] <tbruff13> ok next you need to type in a terminal sudo apt-get install unetbootin
[22:05] <tbruff13> danielo, do you have a Kubuntu 11.10 iso on your computer
[22:06] <danielo> but will I be able to made normall usable distro by that?
[22:06] <danielo> I have made alredy on that 1bg usb stick by unebootin
[22:06] <danielo> but it is like live cd, no changes are accapted
[22:06] <danielo> ?
[22:07] <tbruff13> danielo, wait
[22:07] <tbruff13> i will show you
[22:07] <tbruff13> danielo, do you have the file on your computer
[22:07] <danielo> I am on kubuntu right now
[22:09] <tbruff13> danielo, do you have the .iso file you downloaded on kubuntu if not please download it
[22:10] <danielo> I have
[22:10] <danielo> ok.
[22:10] <danielo> I cant now continue
[22:10] <tbruff13> why
[22:10] <danielo> I will try it in a few hours, so You can write me info. Thanks in advance
[22:11] <danielo> bye bye
[22:11] <tbruff13> ok
[22:11] <tbruff13> Daskreech, ARE YOU HERE CALLING Daskreech lol
[22:15] <tbruff13> Can anyone help me with Multimedia keys
[22:18] <asfyxia>  tbruff13, what do you exactly mean with 'Multimedia keys'?
[22:19] <tbruff13> I mean I want to set up a global key to switch songs to the next one and to the last one in all music applications
[22:19] <tbruff13> and i cannot figure out how to do it
[22:20] <tbruff13> asfyxia, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys
[22:20] <tbruff13> i tried the guide but the package xev does not exist
[22:22] <tbruff13> asfyxia, hello
[22:23] <fdoving> tbruff13: it's in x11-utils
[22:23] <asfyxia> That HowTo is last edited in 2008...
[22:24] <tbruff13> fdoving, okay can you help me with figure out how to set the keys up
[22:24] <fdoving> tbruff13: alt+f2 - khotkeys
[22:25] <iluwka> ya epal vs vsex v rot
[22:25] <iluwka> sosi
[22:25] <iluwka> sosi
[22:25] <iluwka> sosi
[22:25] <FloodBotK1> iluwka: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[22:25] <iluwka> idi v portal prostitytka
[22:26] <tbruff13> iluwka, please don't flood
[22:27] <tbruff13> fdoving, can you guide me through adding the key fn+12 and fn+f11 to skip and go to previous songs in song applcations
[22:27] <fdoving> tbruff13: which players?
[22:27] <tbruff13> fdoving, i am brand new at KDE
[22:27] <tbruff13> fdoving, pithos
[22:27] <tbruff13> fdoving, and tomahawk
[22:28] <tbruff13> when i used mint the fn+f11 key skipped songs in all applications
[22:28] <tbruff13> it doesn't now :(
[22:29] <tbruff13> fdoving, hello
[22:30] <fdoving> tbruff13: ok, give me a sec, i'll try to figure it out first. i don't use those keys, not sure i even have any.
[22:31] <tbruff13> fdoving, this guide might help you https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys
[22:31] <tbruff13> i am looking at it now
[22:32] <fdoving> tbruff13: ok, try to go to system settings -> input devices -> keyboard -> hardware
[22:32] <fdoving> tbruff13: under keyboard model, try to find something similar to yours.
[22:32] <tbruff13> fdoving, ok ill be back
[22:33] <tbruff13> gotta eat
[22:33] <fdoving> ok, try that, i'll be going to bed in a few min.
[22:39] <kazagistar> I just installed kubuntu, but I cant figure out how to drag windows to my other monitor
[22:40] <kazagistar> I can move my mouse to the other monitor, but I cannot drag windows with it
[22:44] <ultrixx> kazagistar: have you got amd/ati radeon graphics?
[22:59] <kazagistar> I have nvidea graphics
[23:00] <`Korvin> My kdm is going tits up
[23:01] <`Korvin> it's rendering a 30px or so desktop ontop of my current desktop on the left
[23:01] <`Korvin> I have an image if you want
[23:02] <DrClaw> Hello
[23:02] <DrClaw> Hello everyone
[23:08] <Sentynel> kazagistar: you need to set the display configuration to TwinView in the nvidia settings utility
[23:08] <tbruff13> fdoving, are you still there
[23:10] <tbruff13> can somone help me with setting the fn+f12 key to skip songs
[23:14] <kazagistar> Sentinel: does twinview work with different sized screens?
[23:15] <kazagistar> ok, I was confused as to the settings, I get it now
[23:28] <tbruff13> Daskreech, can you take a look at my xmodmap
[23:28] <tbruff13> can someone take a look at my xmodmap
[23:57] <Daskreech> !info khotkeys
[23:58] <Daskreech> kazagistar: Alt+F2 -> Screen edges -> WHen dragging applications
[23:59] <Daskreech> !search khotkeys
[23:59] <Daskreech> Boo
[23:59] <Daskreech> !find khotkeys
[23:59] <Daskreech> Ah should be installed already