[11:50] <pmatulis> is there a keystroke to move the currently selected application to another workspace?
[11:54] <sva> pmatulis: there is somewhere an xml list with all keystrokes
[11:54] <sva> i am sure there will be one for this as well
[12:04] <pmatulis> sva: ok
[16:05] <pederindi> whois hellekin
[16:05] <pederindi> ups
[16:05] <pederindi> xD
[17:03] <nicofs> How do I manage xsessions in Lubuntu?
[19:51] <Unit193> holstein: Pong-a-long.
[20:26] <sqeeezy> anyone tried lubuntu ppc on a TiBook
[20:27] <holstein> should be able to try it live with no issue
[20:28] <sqeeezy> trying to get my head round the open firmware stuff
[20:28] <holstein> sqeeezy: ?
[20:28] <sqeeezy> as my cd rom is knackered
[20:29] <holstein> sqeeezy: you can take the hard drive to another machine and install
[20:29] <holstein> another PPC rig
[20:29] <holstein> i never figured out how to boot USB on a PPC mac
[20:29] <holstein> dont think you are "allowed"
[20:29] <holstein> i use my PPC hardware as servers... headless.. xless
[20:29] <holstein> or, i just give them away and move on
[20:30] <sqeeezy> its documented but i failed at first attempt--- move on is prob'ly right but econ is eco its good to reuse if poss
[20:31] <holstein> sure... but time is important too
[20:31] <sqeeezy> yeah
[20:32] <holstein> i dont say this as a person who thought one day it would be cool to run linux on the mac.. ive spent a lot of time on it... and in my opinion, its not worth the time
[20:33] <sqeeezy> i've drank the apple kool-aid since iMac Bondi, but i like the healthy anarchy of linuxGnu
[20:33] <phillw> holstein: maybe a better conversation for #lubuntu-offtopic?
[20:34] <sqeeezy> yeah
[21:29] <iceroot> can someone with the latest 12.04 please test the reverse search in bash? press ctrl + r and type in a command you used previosly. for me the complete bash is broken after i do ctrl + r and type in some words
[21:36] <phillw> iceroot: you'd be far better raising it as a bug to lxterminal
[21:38] <phillw> iceroot: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Reporting_Bugs
[21:39] <iceroot> phillw: i am not using lxterminal
[21:39] <iceroot> phillw: terminator + gnome-terminal + bash
[21:40] <iceroot> its not happening on terminator + gnome-terminal + zsh
[21:40] <phillw> iceroot: then you see what the problem of finding you issue is?
[21:41] <iceroot> phillw: its happening also on lxterminal and x-term, so everything which is using bash
[21:41] <phillw> you have too many variables... is it that
[21:41] <iceroot> even tty1 is affected
[21:42] <iceroot> so you are not facing the issue in tty1 with bash?
[21:42] <phillw> iceroot: let me go ask, please be patient - it may be at least 15 mins for a reply.
[21:42] <iceroot> phillw: sure, thanks
[21:44] <phillw> ahh, bodhi_zazen do you have a 12.04 beta install kicking about?
[21:45] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: my custom spin ?
[21:46] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: no, I do not have 12.04 installed anywhere , I am downloading the daily build today
[21:49] <phillw> iceroot: the nearest, and I do mean nearest weird behaviour is at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bash/+bug/958291
[21:49] <phillw> Is this the sort of thing you are seeing?
[21:50] <iceroot> phillw: not really
[21:50] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: when is the next spin of xen due?
[21:51] <iceroot> phillw: its more like "�&^W����n       ���ƨ3��^�E��^H��#̫�b^K�&�K��^K�K�^F3�^Xm^[i^L`��CO��^S�o�c��Ä/�ijg�h�\�����^_���Q�P
[21:51] <iceroot> which should be "ctrl +r irssi" which should show "ssh -p 8421 foo@bar"
[21:51] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: zenix ?
[21:51] <iceroot> but its showing this messed up characters
[21:52] <phillw> iceroot: if it affects bash, then please bug-report bash
[21:52] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: yes :)
[21:52] <bodhi_zazen> No current plans, you are the third person to ask in the last 2 weeks though, so might fire up a new spin
[21:52] <iceroot> phillw: latest bash update was november 2011, so i guess its some of a bash-config-package. i will do some research what was updates last
[21:53] <phillw> iceroot: I've not seen any chatter on the email lists of bugs I am subscribed to.
[21:53] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: perhaps you are missing a font ?
[21:53] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: also on tty1?
[21:53] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: people always ask when a new ubuntu is due :)
[21:54] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: my guess is you are either missing a font package or you have the wrong localization
[21:54] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: i guess the second because some apps are using qwerty now and others qwertz...
[21:54] <iceroot> after latest dist-upgrade
[21:55] <iceroot> but then i dont get why zsh is working. imo both are reading Variables for locales
[21:56] <bodhi_zazen> do you have both those fonts installed ? Re-install them
[21:57] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: i dont know what fonts they are using, specially tty1
[21:59] <bodhi_zazen> cat /etc/default/console-setup
[22:00] <iceroot> does not exist
[22:00] <bodhi_zazen> locate console-setup
[22:02] <bodhi_zazen> apt-get install console-setup
[22:04] <bodhi_zazen>  /etc/init.d/console-setup restart
[22:07] <iceroot> hm, something removed console-setup
[22:07] <iceroot> un  console-setup       <keine>             (keine Beschreibung vorhanden)
[22:08] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: owing to the fall out with my last hoster who decided to remove all my historic lubuntu iso's, There is the new server that you helped set up. Please feel free to host any iso's on there. It is massively underused and has a darn good 100GB backbone for people requiring iso's (We don't even go close to allowance).
[22:08] <bodhi_zazen> sweet
[22:08] <bodhi_zazen> If I make a custom 12.04 lubuntu spin, I will send it your way
[22:09] <iceroot> dmesg.0:[   23.309328] init: Failed to spawn console-setup main process: unable to execute: No such file or directory
[22:09] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: thanks for the heads up about console-setup. i will debug the reason, maybe it was my fault
[22:09] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: did you install console-setup ?
[22:09] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: np
[22:09] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: it was installed but know its removed (un)
[22:09] <iceroot> now
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> do you have a /etc/default/console-setup
[22:10] <iceroot> not at the moment because it was uninstalled
[22:10] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: give me a dig in the ribs when it is ready. You know that upon any server I have, you and Zenix are welcome on.
[22:10] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: so did you finally get all the kinks out of your server ?
[22:11] <EvilResistance> doubt it xD
[22:11] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: at the moment i am searching why it was removed
[22:11] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: still do not have phpmyadmin working
[22:11] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: any error when you install it ?
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: ping me this weekend, I can ssh in and try to take a look if you like
[22:12] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: no
[22:12] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: i think i found the error
[22:12] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: what ?
[22:13]  * bodhi_zazen the suspense is killing me
[22:14] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: its related to lubuntu-meta. i installed inital ubuntu, then i used the !purelxde thingh to remove ubuntu-desktop and installed lubuntu-desktop, and console-setup was not installed
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> OK, working now ?
[22:14] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: yes
[22:14] <bodhi_zazen> =)
[22:14] <iceroot> so i guess i will open a bug against lubuntu-meta
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: yea, small dependency is all
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> bug report + fix FTW !!!
[22:15] <iceroot> :)
[22:15] <iceroot> i will do it later, need sleep now
[22:15] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: can you let the author of pyschocats know, so he can edit?
[22:15] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: my ubuntu-fu has stuck again
[22:15] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: can you paste me "aptitude why console-setup"
[22:16] <bodhi_zazen> LMAO - aptitude is not installed, sec
[22:17] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: is it fault of lubuntu, or pure lxde from psychocats?
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> IMO, lubuntu-desktop, not sure
[22:17] <bodhi_zazen> I would have to look at the dependencies
[22:18] <bodhi_zazen> console-setup is a low level package
[22:18] <phillw> As lubuntu-desktop is installable against ubuntu-mini iso's
[22:19] <bodhi_zazen> looking on psychocats
[22:19] <phillw> Is the remove at http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purelxde taking something out that lubuntu desktop expects to still be there?
[22:19] <iceroot> yes what i think
[22:20] <bodhi_zazen> no
[22:20] <iceroot> there were others bugs too with that
[22:20] <iceroot> e.g. printer drivers
[22:20] <bodhi_zazen> If that were the case lubuntu-desktop would pull it
[22:20] <bodhi_zazen> ubuntu is sort of a pain this way, excessive dependencies
[22:20] <phillw> lubuntu desktop installs on mini-iso
[22:21] <iceroot> e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/884911
[22:21] <phillw> we have been testing because of the non-pae install method.
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> Probably a problem with console tools
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=console-tools
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> console tools is likely a part of ubuntu core , thus already in minimal
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> and not a part of lubuntu-desktop
[22:22] <bodhi_zazen> just a guess
[22:25] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: A big ask, I know, but could you have a chat with aysiu and ask him to check the instructions, please?
[22:30] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: there was a bug about some core packages (see the bug i have posted)
[22:30] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: so i think it can be reproduced with "install ubuntu and then use the purelxde command"
[22:31] <bodhi_zazen> PM sent
[22:33] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: probably append to that bug report and ask to add console-setup as a missing dependency.
[22:34] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: what happens when you 'apt-get install ubuntu-minimal'
[22:34] <iceroot> phillw: maybe this could be a usefull testcase? install ubuntu, use the lxde command, use a second installation with lubuntu directly and compare "dpkg -l ^ii"
[22:34] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen:   resolvconf ubuntu-minimal
[22:34] <iceroot> that would be the new packages
[22:35] <iceroot> phillw: purelxde command
[22:40] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: something is removing ubuntu-minimal then
[22:41] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: so console-setup is coming from ubuntu-minimal?
[22:42] <bodhi_zazen> that is my guess
[22:42] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: ok, i will do some research tomorrow in my logs why ubuntu-minimal was removed
[22:42] <iceroot> thank you all for the usefull infos and help
[22:44]  * phillw thank you both. when a 'generic' bug is reported, it does take time to nail down the culprit.
[22:44] <bodhi_zazen> Look at this : http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/ubuntu-minimal
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: when you install ubuntu-minimal, what packages are pulled other then console-setup ?
[22:45] <bodhi_zazen> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal
[22:45] <iceroot> bodhi_zazen: resolvconf
[22:46] <iceroot> and of course ubuntu-minimal :)
[22:49] <bodhi_zazen> Looked through a number of packages, can not identify the package, but those two should give you a clue
[22:49] <bodhi_zazen> resolvconf and console-setup
[22:49] <bodhi_zazen> They were removed as dependencies of something
[22:51] <bodhi_zazen> iceroot: that is all I have time for
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> Probably best to ask "ubuntu-minimal" be added to lubuntu-desktop
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> most, if not all of those packages are going to be missed, so probably best to just include the meta-package
[22:52] <bodhi_zazen> ubuntu-minimal is installed from the minimal install iso
[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> phillw: I passed the info to aysiu
[23:00] <phillw> thanks
[23:01] <phillw> do I need to alert julien about this?
[23:01] <bodhi_zazen> My suggestion remains to add "ubuntu-minimal" to lubuntu-desktop =)
[23:01] <phillw> yes
[23:02] <bodhi_zazen> remind me, who is julien ?
[23:02] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: it would only be required for a change, which is really aysiu's department?
[23:03] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: julien == gilir == Lubuntu Head of Dev
[23:03] <bodhi_zazen> Yea, I would pass it to julien
[23:04] <bodhi_zazen> My guess is , lubuntu-desktop was (is) tested against a minimal install, and a minimal install includes ubuntu-minimal
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> None of the packages removed by aysiu is in ubuntu-minimal == dependency hell
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> console-setup and resolvconf were dependencies of some dependency ...
[23:05] <bodhi_zazen> Probably easiest to add ubuntu-minimal, julien's call
[23:12] <phillw> bodhi_zazen: I've emailed him with the logs... as you say, it is his call.
[23:13] <phillw> with non-pae having been accepted, I can ask the guys to test that area now.
[23:13] <phillw> we really do not have that many testers, but the few we have are valiant!
[23:15] <phillw> I must away to bed. I have to up, bright eyed and bushy tailed for my interview to get my visa for my RHCE course, as ever bodhi_zazen. thanks.