[00:50] <Cham_> My network interfaces are not in the right order in precide beta1
[00:50] <Cham_> like eth0 and eth2 (same network card) and eth 1 and eth3 (same network card)
[01:17] <acnot> Hi there all I have an issue in 12.04 that any time I try to play any video with any media player so for only .flv and .mp4 the desktop disappears to what looks like the beginning of the shut down procedure.
[01:18] <acnot> Any ideas?
[01:19] <acnot> Oh and I have been trying to compile miro from source so I am concerned that one or more of the deps for miro has coursed this.
[01:21] <acnot> But it is a fairly new install of 12.04 and I didn't try to play a video until after I installed all of the deps for miro
[01:22] <acnot> So I am not sure if this issue was there before
[02:27] <inzi> hello everyone
[02:28] <inzi> i was thinking of trying out pangolin.. due many ppl saying its actually quite stable
[02:29] <h0rst> yeah... i've a eeepc and it even runs on that... xD
[02:30] <h0rst> i just have to restart lightdm after every boot - then it works just fine
[02:30] <inzi> ic
[02:30] <inzi> wat about skype?
[02:30] <h0rst> works
[02:30] <inzi> does it work well?mine had dark video..
[02:31] <inzi> on 11.10.. all the work arounds didnt help
[02:31] <h0rst> just try it from usb :P
[02:31] <h0rst> or cd
[02:31] <inzi> ahhh..
[02:32] <inzi> yeah. i think i'll do that
[02:32] <inzi> thnx
[02:32] <inzi> will giv it a shot this weekend
[02:32] <inzi> tnx again
[03:00] <h0rst> welcome
[03:00] <DylanJ> did an update today and all of my precious keyboard shortcuts are no longer working. super+<anything> just doesnt work.
[03:01] <h0rst> strange... for me it still does
[03:01] <DylanJ> hmm
[03:01] <h0rst> super+s
[03:01] <DylanJ> nothing.
[03:01] <DylanJ> I should mention I'm using gnome shell not unity.
[03:01] <h0rst> lolk
[03:01] <DylanJ> but it uses the same keyboard magic.
[03:02] <UberDuper> Put precise on my desktop to tinker with. Getting my multimonitor config working is actually easy in this version.
[03:03] <UberDuper> But I've always had this problem where I can't define the "primary" monitor. It always uses the left most monitor in the setup.
[03:03] <DylanJ> h0rst: would you happen to know where the keybinding settings live? is it per user or global
[03:03] <UberDuper> Display Settings has a "Primary output" setting. It allows me to set it and save it, but when I reboot it's back to none.
[03:07] <UberDuper> Resize transparancy messes with the catalyst driver. =/
[03:34] <DylanJ> winut: 4
[03:34] <DylanJ> whoops
[03:47] <WilsonBradley> Linux Asus-Ubuntu 3.2.0-19-generic-pae #30-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 16 18:34:15 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[03:47] <WilsonBradley> I get this often... plymouthd crashed with SIGSEGV in
[08:49] <Volkodav> I am unable to connect from 11.04 box to 12.04 via RDV - says connection closed? I have port 5900 open on the router to that box
[09:05] <ironhalik> hmm, anyone noticed their openvpn tunnel failing?
[09:06] <ironhalik> also, I can dig domains, but I cant ping them
[09:22] <lcc> what version of perl is in 12.04?
[09:23] <ironhalik> 5.14.2
[09:23] <ironhalik> Version: 5.14.2-6ubuntu1
[09:24] <ironhalik> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+package/perl
[09:25] <lcc> neat, thanks.
[10:33] <ironhalik> anyone knows if x64 will be the recommended version for 12.04?
[10:47] <philinux> ironhalik: old news but I think it still valid http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxMTQ
[10:48] <philinux> ironhalik: something else http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1204_3264&num=1
[10:55] <phaidros> hi, I am just wondering why my network-manager spawn a dnsmasq process ..
[10:55] <phaidros> why this and how to configure this behaviour?
[10:55] <ironhalik> philinux: wow, the benchmarks, theyre synthetic but still impressive difference
[10:56] <ironhalik> gonna have to move my lappy to x64
[11:00] <philinux> ironhalik: I had to turn off adblock to see the graphics properly.
[11:00] <phaidros> ironhalik: the only real performance value I see there is openssl, where 64bit is more than double speed than x32
[11:02] <ironhalik> I use openvpn with 2kb key for public wifi
[11:02] <ironhalik> always something :)
[11:03] <philinux> Not a benchmark expert but whats the significance of the postmark v1.51 item
[11:05] <ironhalik> quick google search says its filesystem benchmark
[11:07] <ironhalik> hmm, with x64, I could encrypt my home folder
[11:07] <ironhalik> hmm, perspectives
[11:11] <ironhalik> I wonder if I could make use of my TPM module
[11:12] <neure> where can i find ubuntu 12.04 packages?
[11:18] <philinux> neure: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[11:27] <MCR1> y
[11:27] <MCR1> *sry
[11:44] <phaidros> anyone on vpn with nm-aplett (network manager) and having dns issues?
[11:45] <phaidros> nm applet seems to spawn a dnsmasq process, even configures the vpn intranet dns, but doesnt work
[11:45] <phaidros> o.O
[11:45] <phaidros> why is dnsmasq there in the first place and how it its behaviour configured?
[12:13] <levnikolaevic> hi guys, I'm in trouble with evolution: all incoming messages are sent by default in junk
[12:20] <levnikolaevic> no one knows if it is a bug or what?
[12:23] <Pici> levnikolaevic: Have you looked on launchpad?
[12:24] <levnikolaevic> yes, but seems there's nothing about
[12:32] <levnikolaevic> Pici, seems like evolution mark by default all messages as junk, but if i mark them as not junk it works
[13:35] <jadahl> am I supposed to be able to easily install ARM versions of libraries alongside the others on my x86_64 system in Ubuntu 12.04?
[13:49] <Daekdroom> jadahl, I don't think so
[13:53] <brendand> jadahl, they aren't going to do anything
[13:53] <brendand> so not being able to install them is probably saving you from doing something dumb
[13:58] <ironhalik> anyone knows hat happened to aircrack-ng in 12.04?
[14:05] <chrisfromthebay> Hey guys. I just created a LiveUSB of Ubuntu 12. Is there a way to change the boot options from within, to enable persistence?
[14:05] <jadahl> brendand: my plan was to run them from within qemu
[14:06] <ironhalik> chrisfromthebay: you can make the liveUSB with unetbootin, it'll make persistence for you
[14:06] <brendand> jadahl, in that case you're not 'installing' them as such - just copying them
[14:06] <ironhalik> or ubuntu's live disk creator
[14:07] <brendand> jadahl, why not just 'install' them from within qemu?
[14:07] <chrisfromthebay> thanks ironhalik
[14:07] <jadahl> brendand: well.. copying to /usr/arm-linux-gnueabi/ while keeping track of copied fiels, isn/t that installing? :P
[14:07] <jadahl> brendand: I want to avoid running an operating system from there
[14:07] <jadahl> *in there
[14:07] <brendand> jadahl, what?
[14:08] <brendand> jadahl, you want to 'avoid running an operating system' in qemu?
[14:08] <Daekdroom> What do you expect to run there?
[14:08] <jadahl> a binary only
[14:09] <brendand> lol
[14:09] <brendand> good luck!
[14:09] <brendand> jadahl, can you run 'a binary' on your laptop/desktop?
[14:09] <jadahl> "thank you"
[14:09] <jadahl> well qemu is not a laptop, AFAIK
[14:09] <jadahl> so that doesn't really matter
[14:10] <brendand> qemu is a processor simulator
[14:10] <brendand> a binary does nothing on it's own
[14:11] <brendand> a binary is not a self-contained entity which can just drive hardware by itself
[14:11] <brendand> unless the 'binary' you refer to is infact an operating system
[14:12] <jadahl> what I want to use is called "User space emulation" in QEMU
[14:13] <jadahl> which means I can run a binary, and system calls will be emulated directly, meaning I don't need to run a kernel
[14:14] <jadahl> a little intro, describing the difference between user space and system emulation: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/l-qemu-development/index.html?ca=drs-
[14:15] <brendand> jadahl, okay - so in that case you want to maybe download the binaries directly
[14:15] <jadahl> what I need is simply the ability to "install" the libraries needed to cross compile something that I'll later run in QEMU (without a guest operating system)
[14:15] <brendand> jadahl, what are you trying to run exactly?
[14:16] <notify> and why are you talking about it in here ...
[14:16] <jadahl> the application we are developing, but on ARM (I don't have suitable ARM hardware here)
[14:17] <jadahl> I was reading about 12.04 being "multiarch", and thought I could ask if it's possible to install multiple archs as I already can, but only x86 and x86_64
[14:17] <Daekdroom> That is because x86_64 processors CAN run x86, unlike ARM.
[14:18] <Daekdroom> There's no emulation involved.
[14:18] <brendand> jadahl, ok - but even if the binaries are installed on x86_64 system will the process run by Qemu be able to see them, as it were?
[14:18] <jadahl> with proper setup my x86_64 can inderectly run ARM code as well (via emulation)
[14:19] <jadahl> brendand: it will, via user space emulation. I'll just need to give access to the right places
[14:21] <jadahl> the reason for all of this is to do cross-platform/archtecture development, so to speak
[14:22] <ironhalik> yeah, viva la android emulator!
[14:22] <ironhalik> may it go to hell
[14:23] <jadahl> although, this has nothing to do with android
[14:23] <ironhalik> yeah, just that android emulator emulates arm, and doeas a pretty crappy job at that
[14:24] <ironhalik> but thats a bit OT ;>
[14:24] <jadahl> it's not that bad. it makes far more sense then not emulating at all, as for example Symbian has done it in the past
[14:24] <brendand> jadahl, try dpkg-cross
[14:24] <brendand> jadahl, hey - we tried! no help from nokia though...
[14:25] <jadahl> well, when I was developing symbian they were planning on starting using qemu, AFAIK
[14:25] <jadahl> eh
[14:25] <jadahl> developing FOR symbian >P
[14:25] <brendand> and actually what we did was emulation, not simulation
[14:25] <brendand> jadahl, when i was *developing* Symbian, we were doing that
[14:26] <brendand> jadahl, but Nokia used different tools internally so didn't support Qemu
[14:26] <brendand> a big headache
[14:26] <jadahl> I can imagine
[14:26] <jadahl> how did it go with the qemu plans for the by then next generation SDK?
[14:27] <brendand> it mostly worked. big problem was getting proper graphics drivers written
[14:27] <jadahl> will it ever be finished you think?
[14:27] <brendand> no, not now
[14:28] <brendand> not that will be publicly released anyway
[14:28] <jadahl> too bad.. my biggest issue with symbian development was that I had to run the emulator which only worked in windows
[14:28] <brendand> and was also ludicrously slow
[14:28] <brendand> i mean really ludicrously slow
[14:28] <brendand> as i'm sure you know
[14:29] <jadahl> worse than the android emulator?
[14:29] <brendand> jadahl, don't you remember?
[14:29] <brendand> but the android emulator is also slow if i recall correctly
[14:29] <jadahl> I have only run the symbian winscw-based emulator.. it was not slow, in that sense
[14:30] <jadahl> it's slow, but does its job.. actual performance depending stuff one would need to run on actual hardware anyway so I guess it doesn't matter that much
[14:32] <brendand> ah see, i meant the winscw one was slow (at least when it was running Symbian^3). Qemu ran pretty well
[14:32] <brendand> jadahl, did you get to try dpkg-cross?
[14:32] <jadahl> I never ran Symbian^3.. it was before that I did symbian application develpment
[14:33] <acnot> Hi there all I have an issue with 12.04 that is way out of my league, every time go to play video my laptop starts to shit down
[14:33] <jadahl> brendand: I'm reading up on it
[14:33] <brendand> jadahl, back then it may have been fast :)
[14:33] <ikonia> no-need for that language acnot
[14:33] <brendand> ikonia, probably a typo?
[14:33] <acnot> Oh that was a typo ikonia, sorry la!
[14:33] <acnot> shut
[14:33] <acnot> :(
[14:34] <brendand> they are right next to each other...
[14:34] <ironhalik> true :>
[14:34] <acnot> Yar and I sure is tyred
[14:34] <acnot> or tired even
[14:35] <jadahl> I also read about "xapt" and have a friend who managed to get it working with ARM on debian
[14:36] <acnot> So id you guys went to play a video and ubuntu went straight to shut down, you would suspect the GPU driver yeah?
[14:36] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Hello all.  I'm trying to install 12.04 Beta 1 onto a Dell Latitude D600.  However, when I try to boot to the install media, I get an error that my CPU doesn't support PAE. Is there a way to turn off this requirement?
[14:36] <ironhalik> acnot: did it shut down, froze or powered off?
[14:38] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: pae kernel is now default. going to check if regular install iso has an option to choose generic rather than generic-pae. hang on
[14:39] <Cajun_Lan_Man> notify: Thanks.
[14:39] <acnot> ironhalik, it looks like it starts to shut down, spits out two to three lines of out put then the screen goes blank with the back light full on and then it just sits there no hdd activity
[14:39] <jadahl> hmm, what happened to "apt-cross" in 12.04? I can see it in 11.10 repos but not in 12.04
[14:40] <ironhalik> acnot: check dmesg after the crash
[14:40] <ironhalik> also, when its like that, try ctrl + alt + f2, for a tty access
[14:40] <acnot> I have been running all versions of all versions of Ubuntu since 10.10 and never had anything like this.
[14:40] <ironhalik> it may be that lightdm/x/etc crashed
[14:40] <acnot> Okay thanks ironhalik I will
[14:41] <jadahl> ah, replaced by xapt
[14:41] <acnot> Okay thanks
[14:42] <ironhalik> Hmm, if I choose to encrypt home dir during install, it only launches some encryptfs scripts?
[14:43] <acnot> Okay cool thanks for the tip I was trying to figure out what that was
[14:43] <ironhalik> sure
[14:46] <acnot> ironhalik, I looked for lighthalik/x/etc in the dmesg log and only found one entry an it looks normal to me
[14:47] <ironhalik> it may also be in /var/log/syslog
[14:47] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: hmmm. looks like you are out of luck. the regular install iso only has generic-pae
[14:47] <ironhalik> if it got logged, ofcourse
[14:48] <acnot> ironhalik, yeah I was looking there earlier but didn't know what I was looking for
[14:48] <Cajun_Lan_Man> notify: So I'm out of luck for getting 12.04 on there at all?
[14:48] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: you could try the alternate install iso instead, but it might be the same
[14:48] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I read already someone else had that problem, and the alternate did the same.
[14:49] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Odd.  It's a Pentium M 1.8 with a gig of ram.  12.04 would run decently on it.  I'd hate to not be able to install it.
[14:49] <ironhalik> acnot: errors :) - processes like lightdm, Xorg
[14:49] <Cajun_Lan_Man> notify: What would happen if I installed 11.10, and then did an upgrade? Would I have the same problem?
[14:49] <Daekdroom> Cajun_Lan_Man, you can install 11.10 and upgrade.
[14:50] <Daekdroom> Because -generic is still on the repos.
[14:50] <ironhalik> acnot: you can grep the keywords, tail -50 /var/log/syslog | grep Xorg
[14:50] <Daekdroom> It's just not used in the ISOs anymore.
[14:50] <Daekdroom> (and it'll be dropped at all in 12.10)
[14:50] <Daekdroom> Which gives 5 years support for processors without PAE. Yay.
[14:50] <acnot> Ooo, I may have found a juice one! Mar 20 00:59:32 lappy kernel: [80944.060007] BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 23s! [Xorg:12009]
[14:50] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Daekdroom: Perfect.  Thanks!
[14:50] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: Daekdroom - yes install 11.10 and upgrade whole system would work
[14:52] <notify> Daekdroom: bit of a damn liberty changing the default to pae. i don't want it either, but at least it installed and worked ok for me, long enough to change it :)
[14:53] <Daekdroom> notify, Lubuntu is damn well usable in some old computers that do not have PAE, which is why I think dropping it from the repos is bad.
[14:53] <Daekdroom> On the other hand, Lubuntu is not officially supported.
[14:54] <notify> totally agree
[14:55] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I'm not sure I see the point of PAE.  Is it only to give 32 bit systems access to more than 4 gigs? Why not just use 64 bit? Almost every PC I've seen with 4 or more gigs of ram has a processor capable of 64bit.
[14:55] <notify> Daekdroom: v86d doesn't play well with pae either. and you need v86d for a decent plymouth on nvidia proprietary
[14:55] <Daekdroom> x64 uses more RAM.
[14:56] <Daekdroom> Well.. Multiarch is meant to make x64 give no issue regard compatibility.
[14:56] <Daekdroom> But Wine stopped working alright for me since I went x64.
[14:57] <brendand> Cajun_Lan_Man, there's also this: http://people.canonical.com/~diwic/12.04-nonpae/
[15:01] <notify> brendand: nice
[15:09] <ironhalik> hmm, can I associate VPN with ceraint wifi networks?
[15:09] <jadahl> brendand: I got it to install armel versions using "xapt" with the ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports repository
[15:10] <jadahl> i.e. "xapt -m -a armel libx11-dev"
[15:14] <Cajun_Lan_Man> notify: Daekdroom: Thank you both for the help and info.  I wonder where I could put my .02 in on how bad of an idea I think PAE by default is?
[15:14] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: see brendand link some minutes ago
[15:16] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: a stiff letter to the Times of London is what i would recommend :)
[15:16] <Cajun_Lan_Man> notify: I'm already downloading the .iso.
[15:17] <Cajun_Lan_Man> notify: I'm on it! :-)
[15:18] <Trewas> Cajun_Lan_Man: your processor btw supports PAE, hard to say where the actual problem is (bios or something)
[15:19] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: i'm gonna post a bug to launchpad about this
[15:20] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Trewas: I figured the processor supported it.  Although, I've flipped through the 7 screens of BIOS on the machine, and there is no where to turn PAE on or off.  There is no mention of PAE at all.
[15:20] <jo-erlend> oh, this is fantastic. Not a single problem with audio in Ubuntu the last three releases, and now it's utterly broken. And I'm a musician. :/
[15:21] <notify> jo-erlend: hmmm. utterly broken you say. what are the symptoms
[15:21] <jo-erlend> I'm getting very, very nervous about this release.
[15:23] <notify> jo-erlend: sound works absolutely lovely for me, but X11 is somewhat broken. startup notifications by propagating root window cursor are broken. threaded X apps are broken
[15:23] <notify> synaptic is broken ...
[15:23] <Fyodorovna> jo-erlend, this a upgrade or a fresh install, and have you seen if the sound is working from a live cd?
[15:26] <jo-erlend> notify, that was an exaggeration. I am able to play music files under certain conditions, but if I record something, then all audio both in and out becomes choppy. Among other things.
[15:26] <jo-erlend> they've also changed the dialogs to that I'm no longer able to know which audio device belongs to what. I have to guess.
[15:27] <jo-erlend> Fyodorovna, both.
[15:29] <Fyodorovna> jo-erlend, I asked 2 questions, honestly if your going to exaggerate and not do a little web search for instructions on finding favorite apps for media this is a waste of time.
[15:29] <jo-erlend> Fyodorovna, what are you talking about?
[15:29] <notify> jo-erlend: using jack or pulseadio or vanilla alsa ?
[15:30] <jo-erlend> notify, I'm not entirely sure, actually. I use Audacity, which has its own settings. I think it's using pulseaudio now, though it didn't by default.
[15:30] <mvo> notify: broken in what way?
[15:30] <jrgifford> jo-erlend: audacity uses pulse generally.
[15:31] <jrgifford> as for the recording audio playing choppy, i've got the same bug - happens after i get more than 10 hours of uptime, then i reboot and its ok.
[15:31] <notify> mvo: i take it you mean my additional comment about synaptic. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/960250
[15:31] <jo-erlend> jrgifford, are you sure that 2.0.0 does? Because there were many issues before I found the setting to use "sysdefault", which I guess means PA.
[15:32] <jrgifford> jo-erlend: thats what I *just* finished using. yeah, its 2.0.0
[15:32] <mvo> notify: thanks. is there more breakage?
[15:32] <jrgifford> (i just finished recording a few minutes ago with 2.0.0)
[15:32] <jo-erlend> jrgifford, with more than one track?
[15:33] <jo-erlend> jrgifford, I had 11h uptime, but I rebooted 23 minutes ago. Still choppy sound.
[15:33] <notify> mvo: nothing too drastic in synaptic
[15:33] <jrgifford> jo-erlend: no, but it shouldn't matter if its using pulse.
[15:33] <jrgifford> oh, interesting. i'm at a lose as to what to look at next.
[15:34] <jrgifford> *loss
[15:34] <jo-erlend> jrgifford, well, by default, only the first track works well. All subsequent tracks are played at perhaps 10% and there's no obvious way to control it until I changed to sysdefault.
[15:34] <notify> Cajun_Lan_Man: Daekdroom https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/960301
[15:35] <notify> and while we are at it - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/960191
[15:36] <Cajun_Lan_Man> notify: thanks
[15:36] <dasunsrule32> Anyone have a Dell Latitude E6510 on 12.04? I have an issue with the laptop not sleeping when the screen closes. I'm running gnome-shell from the default precise repos. Thanks.
[15:38] <Fyodorovna> dasunsrule32, open power and set it to sleep.
[15:38] <dasunsrule32> I already did that long ago
[15:38] <dasunsrule32> ;)
[15:38] <Fyodorovna> dasunsrule32, can it suspend from the panel?
[15:39] <dasunsrule32> yes, and I can suspend it from the key combo on the laptop
[15:39] <dasunsrule32> Sleep works, just not closing the lid
[15:39] <dasunsrule32> missing module?
[15:39] <jo-erlend> jrgifford, other issues as well that are somehow connected to networking. I get pretty much the same choppy sound and then the network dies completely. I haven't been able to figure out even where to start understanding what that is caused by.
[15:43] <Fyodorovna> dasunsrule32, I see bugs reported in general on this.
[15:44] <Fyodorovna> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&gbv=1&sei=xqRoT7-xGKmsjALLupGXBw&q=ubuntu%20lid%20close%20suspend%20Dell%20Latitude%20E6510&spell=1&sa=X
[15:46] <dasunsrule32> Heh, guesss I just used the wrong search terms
[15:47] <Fyodorovna> dasunsrule32, it can be a challenge finding stuff at times. :)
[15:48] <dasunsrule32> Yep, I'll poke through some of that stuff to see if I can find a fix. Thanks. :)
[15:49] <dasunsrule32> I think that seems more like the issue, x crashing, which breaks suspend. I can confirm it does this when I close the lid
[15:51] <Fyodorovna> dasunsrule32, no problem, hope you find a solution. :)
[15:51] <dasunsrule32> Thanks
[15:56] <neyder_> Hi there! i'm having problems with lightdm, after a logout it goes restarting all the time until I press ↑ or ↓ to change user (I must to keep preesing until it works). How I debug that?
[16:02] <notify> neyder_: try upgrading your system. there have been many lightdm fixes. if you are fully up-to-date then file a bug
[16:04] <neyder_> all the machines are upgraded to yesterday, so i'm upgrading to today :
[16:04] <neyder_> )
[16:05] <notify> neyder_: been playing with anything in /etc/lightdm ?
[16:07] <neyder_> no in that machine
[16:07] <neyder_>  //arrrggg somebody has shutdown a machine which had ben dist-upgrading :(
[16:08] <neyder_> how do I disable shutdown for non administrative users?
[16:08] <notify> it is disabled for non admin users :)
[16:09] <neyder_> no it's not. (i mean in graphical uunity)
[16:10] <notify> i think you will find that all users are "admin" users in the sense you mean
[16:10] <neyder_>  //dpkg --confugre -a :(
[16:10] <neyder_> notify, i'll look around /etc/groups
[16:10] <notify> neyder_: gpasswd -d user group, to remove a user from a group
[16:11] <neyder_> there is no admin group
[16:12] <notify> neyder_: adm and sudo groups are prolly what you want
[16:12] <neyder_> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/892387/
[16:13] <neyder_> administrador is my first user and so a system administrator
[16:13] <notify> neyder_: use "groups" or "id" command to show group membership
[16:14] <notify> editing files in /etc is a sure way to break things. best to use proper tools, if you ask me
[16:15] <neyder_> administrador@sc117:~$ groups prim_6to_a
[16:15] <neyder_> prim_6to_a : prim_6to_a
[16:15] <neyder_> the normal users (as gui says) has only one self group
[16:16] <neyder_> so my initial qestion was, how do I prevent a "normal" user to shutdown ubuntu?
[16:20] <notify> neyder_: yeah you are right. my bad
[16:21] <neyder_> in google I only find about gdm not lightdm
[16:28] <notify> neyder_: there are many, many ways for users to shutdown/reboot and it is hard to cut all of them off
[16:29] <notify> neyder_: ctrl-alt-delete, sudo shutdown, sudo reboot, magic sysrq "reisub" sequence. i'm sure there are plenty more
[17:01] <bipolar> Ok, I'm still trying to figure out why my kickstart/preseed file isn't working with 12.04. Here are my files: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/892455/ These work perfectly with 11.04, but not with 12.04. With precise the installation files are downloaded from a public mirror instead of my apt-cacher-ng server. Has something changed in with the installer that I don't know about?
[17:15] <atpa8a> hello
[17:16] <atpa8a> what's happening with resolvconf not updating /etc/resolv.conf?..
[17:18] <atpa8a> tempted to just purge it
[17:21] <bluefrog> atpa8a, did you tweak resolv.conf?
[17:23] <atpa8a> nope
[17:25] <bluefrog> atpa8a, is it still a symlink?
[17:25] <atpa8a> yes
[17:25] <atpa8a> but it's not updated even tho i added dns- lines to interfaces
[17:27] <atpa8a> which is very annoying :P wasting my time
[17:32] <atpa8a> any clues?..
[17:33] <bipolar> ok... I *think* I found the error. The line "d-i mirror/country string" should be set to "manual" instead of "enter information manually" for 12.04
[17:34] <bipolar> neyder_, I think I'm making progress with my preseed.
[17:39] <bipolar> neyder_, It seems to be working for me. I have a preseed setup that uses my apt-cacher-ng server, and installs without using a public mirror. Everything is downloaded from the cache server.
[17:40] <bipolar> neyder_, when the system is done installing, the sources.list file is set to use my cache server without any other scripting.
[17:53] <atpa8a> and... why do i get multiple 'Starting OpenSSH Server' during boot?
[17:54] <atpa8a> seems like once for every NIC/alias that i've configured
[18:04] <atpa8a> edit that... multiple 'Starting OpenSSH Server' followed by 'Stopping OpenSSH Server'
[18:04] <atpa8a> any reason for that?
[18:44] <WilsonBradley> I just did a partial upgrade and when rebooted, Unity or Cairo-Doc wouldn't load. Had to CNTL/F2 and type commands there for them to come up. looking in the Terminal that started Unity I get ;WARN  2012-03-20 14:42:29 unity.libindicator <unknown>:0 Desktop file '/usr/share/applications/gnome-terminal.desktop' is using a depracted format for it's actions that will be dropped soon.
[18:45] <WilsonBradley> WARN  2012-03-20 14:42:25 unity <unknown>:0 Unable to fetch children: No such interface `org.ayatana.bamf.view' on object at path /org/ayatana/bamf/application1920723128
[18:54] <atpa8a> is tehre a difference between listing multiple interfaces on one auto line or having multiple auto lines?
[18:58] <mongo> hrm openvswitch is started way too late in upstart btw
[19:43] <eFfeM> hi, i've installed 12.04 beta 1 and after a reboot I lost unity, anyone an idea how to resolve this
[19:53] <doda1> hi folks
[19:53] <doda1> when can i report faulty drivers on my card in 12.04 daily builds ?
[19:58] <glosoli> doda1: what do you mean faulty ?
[19:58] <glosoli> !bug | doda1
[19:58] <glosoli> doda1: you can report any bugs found whenever you can
[20:07] <eFfeM> is there a way to start a program if for some reason unity disappeared ?
[20:19] <glosoli> eFfeM: there is :)
[20:19] <frank_r2d2> hi, i testing 12.04. Today i get a bad update on my notebook. I cant adjust my Keyboard Light and i have problem at the Update Gui
[20:20] <glosoli> eFfeM: if you hadn't changed default keyboard shortcuts, Ctrl+Alt+T will bring up terminal :)
[20:20] <glosoli> !bug | frank_r2d2
[20:20] <frank_r2d2> There is: Systemupdate market and update-manager... but i cant install it.
[20:20] <frank_r2d2> ubottu: ok
[20:20] <frank_r2d2> lol
[20:21] <frank_r2d2> anybody knows how can get my updates clean ?
[20:21] <glosoli> frank_r2d2: what do you mean by clean ?
[20:22] <frank_r2d2> Update Manager show: Systemupdate but i cant do it or delete it
[20:22] <Glacee> I get a weird error: I have a 10gb network card and a 1gb network card.. I do an lsmod
[20:23] <Glacee> when removing both and its fine
[20:23] <glosoli> frank_r2d2: try opening terminal and typing following: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade  but be aware if it shows that it wants to remove any package, it will ask you, so say NO
[20:23] <Glacee> If I add 10gb first and then 1gb.. its still mixed up the interfaces .. eth0-eth2 and eth1-eth3 .. any ideas?
[20:23] <Glacee> By modprobing
[20:24] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: write 1 not updated
[20:24] <glosoli> frank_r2d2: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:25] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: same write 1 not update...
[20:25] <frank_r2d2> packet: update-manager was haltet
[20:26] <glosoli> frank_r2d2: does it show which ?
[20:27] <frank_r2d2> no.. only.... folow packet was haltet: update-manager
[20:28] <frank_r2d2> 0 updatet, 0  new installed, und 1 not updatet
[20:30] <glosoli> frank_r2d2: Software Updater doesn't show yes :DD
[20:31] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: yes
[20:32] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: i have try it in the ternimal
[20:34] <Glacee> Will there be an upgrade path from beta to ga?
[20:34] <Glacee> like apt-upgrade
[20:34] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: i dont know why os the updater write retained updates
[20:34] <Glacee> apt-get
[20:35] <arand> !final | Glacee
[20:35] <Glacee> ok thank you
[20:35] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: i dont know why the updater write retained updates of update manager
[20:36] <glosoli> frank_r2d2: you just wait for new updates :)
[20:36] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: hmmmm
[20:39] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: thx, its a little myth
[20:40] <Glacee> its freaking udev that is fucking up my interfaces
[20:40] <Glacee> [  152.183572] udevd[1871]: renamed network interface eth0 to eth3
[20:40] <frank_r2d2> glosoli: bye bye and have a nice day :-)
[20:41] <glosoli> frank_r2d2: have a nice day
[20:41] <glosoli> :)
[20:44] <eFfeM> glosoli: was afk, thans crtl-alt-t gave me the terminal
[20:44] <glosoli> eFfeM: no prob :)
[20:44] <eFfeM> now found I got this:
[20:45] <eFfeM> oops, can't paste this is from a vm, syslog says waring app unity-2d-shell.desktop respawning too quickly
[20:56] <Glacee> udev sucks!! bring back sysfs!!
[22:00] <FernandoMiguel> Olá
[22:24] <Glacee> Whats the best way to restart networking in Precise?
[22:25] <Glacee>  /etc/.init.d/networking restart seems broken
[22:28] <micahg> Glacee: service networking restart
[22:33] <Glacee> stop: Unknown instance:
[22:33] <Glacee> networking stop/waiting
[22:33] <Glacee> micahg: thank you.. is this normal?
[22:34] <micahg> oh, you would need sudo if you're a normal user
[22:34] <Glacee> im root.. :)
[22:34] <micahg> oh, I guess so
[22:35] <micahg> there's network-manager
[22:35] <micahg> I'm not actually sure :)
[22:36] <Glacee> hehe thanks
[22:38] <Fudge> Glacee tha talso happens with console-setup stop unknown instance
[22:39] <Glacee> Fudge: ok thank you
[22:39] <Glacee> btw.. /etc/init.d/networking start really fucks the hell up
[22:40] <Fudge> how so ?
[22:44] <Glacee> well it does not bring interfaces back
[22:44] <Glacee> my Bonding goes to hell ( like no MAC address)
[22:45] <Glacee> when I stop it.. and then use service networking restart.. everything is back to normal
[23:05] <tarvid> any words of wisdom before I install with RAID?
[23:14] <tarvid> Is RAID on 12.04 like 9.10? can I follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SoftwareRAID
[23:33] <trippeh> tarvid: Its pretty much the same, yes
[23:34] <trippeh> At least it was with precise alpha
[23:34] <trippeh> Maybe its supported in the GUI installer now though, I dont know anything about that.
[23:36] <Guest64845> i installed beta 1 now will i have to re-install final release or do i receive updats?
[23:39] <Guest64845> anyone
[23:39] <Guest64845> thanks
[23:40] <Fyodorovna> Guest64845, no reinstall needed just update and upgrade periodically.
[23:40] <Guest64845> hey ty :)
[23:40] <Fyodorovna> Guest64845, no problem.
[23:59] <FernandoMiguel> nite