| dpm | good morning all | 08:11 |
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| ajmitch | hi dpm | 08:15 |
| dpm | hey ajmitch | 08:18 |
| highvoltage | goor morning | 12:56 |
| highvoltage | *good | 12:56 |
| wendar | mhall119: the community lens was out for changes, is it ready now for re-review? | 17:53 |
| mhall119 | wendar: no, I haven't had a change to make the requested changes to it yet | 17:54 |
| wendar | mhall119: okay, I'll add a comment to it | 17:56 |
| wendar | thanks | 17:56 |
| mhall119 | wendar: it's currently precise-only anyway | 17:56 |
| wendar | mhall119: yup, no rush | 17:56 |
| mhall119 | has david calle submitted any more? | 17:57 |
| wendar | mhall119: not yet | 17:59 |
| wendar | mhall119: I'm nearly done packaging the scopes for the music lens | 17:59 |
| ajmitch | wendar: have you been re-poking people who've submitted applications? | 20:00 |
| wendar | ajmitch: like, reminding them that we haven't heard from them in a while? | 20:01 |
| wendar | ajmitch: not yet, but I was thinking about doing that for guallet today | 20:01 |
| wendar | it's really close to ready to go | 20:01 |
| ajmitch | I was just seeing the flood of information needed requests, they were all pending review/ | 20:02 |
| ajmitch | ? | 20:02 |
| wendar | yeah, that's me | 20:02 |
| * ajmitch had talked to the hacketyhack submitter a couple of days ago about shoes & offered help | 20:03 | |
| wendar | ajmitch: cool | 20:03 |
| wendar | I didn't see any activity in the comments | 20:03 |
| ajmitch | sorry I hadn't copied it in there | 20:03 |
| wendar | I always forget too :) | 20:04 |
| wendar | he will have to wait until P+1 to get into Ubuntu, unfortunately | 20:04 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 20:04 |
| wendar | but, he could get into Debian quite quickly | 20:04 |
| ajmitch | once we learn what the name is :) | 20:04 |
| wendar | as soon as shoes is updated | 20:04 |
| ajmitch | thanks for the harmonyseq vote on the list, too | 20:05 |
| wendar | thanks for shepherding it through, it's looking great | 20:05 |
| wendar | hmmm... anyone have any ideas where this launchpad branch went? lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu/oneiric/unity-lens-graphicdesign/trunk/ | 20:17 |
| wendar | Okay, it's https://code.launchpad.net/~app-review-board versus https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-app-review-board | 20:19 |
| wendar | but the packaging-tools branch shows up on both | 20:20 |
| ajmitch | because lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu/oneiric/unity-lens-graphicdesign/trunk/ is against ubuntu | 20:21 |
| wendar | ajmitch: so, launchpad is setting the project based on the path | 20:53 |
| wendar | ajmitch: the bigger question is, do we want these branches for ARB maintained lens/scope packages to be tagged as Ubuntu project? | 20:53 |
| wendar | ajmitch: or, should we use bzr paths that avoid the auto-categorization? | 20:54 |
| ajmitch | lp branches are always lp:~person/project/branch_name, I think we make them be under the ubuntu-app-review-board project rather than ubuntu/release | 20:55 |
| ajmitch | mostly because these are for extras | 20:55 |
| wendar | ajmitch: makes sense, I'll move them over | 20:57 |
| wendar | ajmitch: but, I'll keep the Ubuntu release name in the path for sanity | 20:57 |
| wendar | so, lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu-app-review-board/oneiric/unity-lens-graphicdesign | 20:58 |
| wendar | because there's a decent chance we may be releasing an update to the Oneiric version of the lens, even after we've moved on to the Precise version of the lens | 20:59 |
| ajmitch | can you name the branch like that? | 21:02 |
| * ajmitch assumed that you could only name a release with a distro in LP branches | 21:03 | |
| wendar | hmmm... I get a "Permission denied" error when I try to push any branch with "oneiric" in the path | 21:08 |
| wendar | I'll just have to encode it in the name of the branch | 21:09 |
| wendar | We've now got lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu-app-review-board/unity-lens-graphicdesign-oneiric and lp:~app-review-board/ubuntu-app-review-board/unity-scopes-music-extras-oneiric | 21:12 |
| ajmitch | alright, thanks | 21:15 |
| ajmitch | I'll set aside some time this weekend to attack the queue & try & catch up on where things are at | 21:16 |
| ajmitch | as a bonus it's a 3-day weekend again :) | 21:16 |
| ajmitch | wendar: yes, I *finally* dealt with terraview, what others should I look at? :) | 21:29 |
| wendar | ajmitch: awesome! | 21:30 |
| wendar | I feel worst about the oldest ones | 21:30 |
| wendar | it'd be nice to get them either published, or rejected | 21:30 |
| ajmitch | yep | 21:30 |
| wendar | whichever is appropriate | 21:30 |
| wendar | pac, TetraCity, or Qoobar? | 21:30 |
| ajmitch | like pac, I know that was sitting around on LP for quite awhile | 21:30 |
| wendar | yeah, sounds good | 21:31 |
| ajmitch | the feeback on that was problematic | 21:31 |
| wendar | I don't recall, was it too large/complex? | 21:32 |
| ajmitch | " Your "source package" contains some binaries (/opt/pac/lib/ex/vte32/auto/Gnome2/Vte at least), this shouldn't be the case. - Your source package also includes .deb files in /opt/pac/res, this looks wrong. | 21:32 |
| ajmitch | " | 21:32 |
| wendar | or, security concerns around passwords and connections? | 21:32 |
| wendar | oooh, packaging problems | 21:32 |
| ajmitch | https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/179/feedback/ indicates that he couldn't find those binaries anywhere | 21:33 |
| ajmitch | well, except on getdeb.net | 21:33 |
| wendar | so, he's got dependencies that aren't in Ubuntu | 21:34 |
| wendar | are they small, or likely to be added to Debian at some point? | 21:34 |
| ajmitch | I'll need to pull apart the package to see | 21:34 |
| ajmitch | it's hard when he's included them as binary .so files | 21:35 |
| wendar | he's not even pulling in the source... blech | 21:35 |
| ajmitch | right, and they're some libraries for libvte which is a core package for ubuntu-desktop | 21:36 |
| * ajmitch can't pull enough info out with objdump | 21:36 | |
| wendar | hmmmm... it's a terminal emulator widget | 21:37 |
| ajmitch | yep | 21:37 |
| wendar | Technically, this did come in before we required a PPA, but I'm leaning toward reject. | 21:38 |
| ajmitch | libvte is definitely in ubuntu, but I can't tell how different the one he's packaged is (apart from a large size difference in the .so) | 21:38 |
| wendar | If you're inclined toward due-diligence, I'd say try running the software using the Ubuntu version of the library, and if it works go ahead and package it. | 21:40 |
| wendar | Otherwise, reject it on the grounds that software has to work on the current version of all dependencies in the current release of Ubuntu. | 21:40 |
| ajmitch | I feel bad doing so, but we really can't ship unknown binaries in source packages like that | 21:41 |
| wendar | Yeah | 21:42 |
| wendar | And, don't feel bad, it's part of the policy. | 21:42 |
| wendar | We're not allowed to ship updated versions of standard system libraries. | 21:42 |
| ajmitch | I feel bad about the time between last feedback & rejection :) | 21:42 |
| wendar | even if he included the source, we couldn't do it. | 21:42 |
| wendar | yeah, me too | 21:42 |
| wendar | but, we're doing better on that now | 21:43 |
| ajmitch | mostly your work | 21:43 |
| wendar | You gave a great apologetic message to the TerraView developer, that tone really helps. | 21:43 |
| wendar | And, so does the suggestions for what to do next. | 21:44 |
| ajmitch | that's why I took so long to respond | 21:44 |
| wendar | Yup, it's worth taking the time to phrase kind rejection messages, it makes a huge difference in the developer experience. (And in whether they're likely to learn and do better from it, or give up in frustration.) | 21:45 |
| ajmitch | so it looks like libgnome2-vte-perl was on getdeb.net but is no longer there | 21:47 |
| wendar | I think most of what I'm doing at the moment is trailblazing. Setting up easy, repeatable patterns for future apps. | 21:47 |
| wendar | Ah, so the source isn't even available anymore. | 21:47 |
| wendar | Maybe dropped when it made it in to the live distro? | 21:47 |
| ajmitch | there's no perl vte bindings in precise | 21:48 |
| ajmitch | do you know the state of gobject introspection & perl? | 21:48 |
| ajmitch | if I can suggest an alternative way to use the system libvte, I won't feel so bad rejecting :) | 21:49 |
| wendar | AFAIK, Perl is farther behind than Python in support for gtk3 | 21:50 |
| wendar | http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.gnome.gtk%2B.perl/12474 | 21:51 |
| wendar | ah, wait http://search.cpan.org/~tsch/Gtk3-0.004/ | 21:52 |
| ajmitch | right, he's the author of the vte-perl bindings tshipped as binaries in pac | 21:52 |
| wendar | then maybe suggest to the pac developer to get in touch with Torsten? | 21:54 |
| ajmitch | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=647711 | 21:54 |
| ajmitch | so as of a week ago, there's progress in debian | 21:54 |
| wendar | excellent. So, that's something to say: watch the progress of the bug, and use the new versions of the libraries when they come out | 21:55 |
| ajmitch | ok, have added notes on that to my todo list, I won't write it up just yet | 22:00 |
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