=== jalcine is now known as jalcine_ === jalcine_ is now known as jalcine [02:20] wow.. quiet in here [02:24] chirp [02:24] cjohnston: make some noise [02:25] cprofitt's in the spirit [02:26] ribbit [02:27] blah blah blah [02:27] thump, thump, bang, thump [02:28] the leadership summit at uds-p, was that a one-off event? [02:28] sagaci: not sure... [02:29] I think there was a desire to do that more... [02:29] but not sure if it is carrying through [02:29] I enjoyed listening in to a few of the sessions [02:29] sagaci: yes, people would like to have another one this uds [02:29] I think the conversation is worthwhile... as the community grows we have to have a plan to grow leadership. [02:50] bkerensa: I want cool free stuff :-/ [02:56] I gotta get some sleep all... [02:56] have a good night [02:56] g'nite === jalcine_ is now known as Guest77258 [03:55] I've updated my bug list for 12.04 LTS - Feel free to confirm bugs which affect you. [03:55] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/komputes/TopBugs === JanC_ is now known as JanC [05:26] ugh rhythmbox keeps freezing on startup [06:26] jcastro: I hope to get some guidance on deciphering all the info that clint passed for my charm from you sometime tomorrow :P [08:04] good morning [08:10] good morning all [08:11] morning dholbach [08:11] hey dpm [09:04] aloha [09:32] Hi All, [09:32] I got error when i am installing a any application [09:32] Error: Errors were encountered while processing: [09:32] postfix [09:32] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [09:32] Need Help!! [09:33] Er, you should probably ask in #ubuntu [09:33] that's the support channel. === amithkk is now known as ubuntu === ubuntu is now known as marcoceppi_ [10:42] mornin [10:42] cjohnston: morning [10:42] hey [10:42] are you going to uds? [10:43] yes [10:44] I was hoping the precise cds would be available by then [10:46] they normally are [10:47] hi AlanBell, a while ago I asked for getting a bugbot back into #ubuntu-translators (at some point it seemed to die and never came back). I asked on #ubuntu-ops but I never got an answer, and then someone mentioned you might be able to help? [10:48] dpm: jpds [10:48] cjohnston: he's on hols [10:48] k.. I've always been told that jpds owns the bug bots [10:48] argh, pinged him already [10:49] nevermind [10:49] cjohnston: he owns them but others can do stuff as well [10:50] I can see some info here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots but I cannot figure out who to talk to [10:50] when I asked jussi he said jpds.. that's all I know [10:51] brb [10:54] dpm: ask in #ubuntu-irc, it is normally jpds [10:55] AlanBell: and is there a back up plan for when he's not here [10:56] we were talking about moving them onto the ubottu server [10:56] jussi has sent ubottu into a few channels for bugbot purposes [10:58] AlanBell: can you arrange for that in the mean time as I know jpds is away this week on annual leave [11:00] team contacts and team owners will cause my head to explode one of the these days [11:33] We have a city in our Loco that is holding a release party event the weekend before the actual release to coincide with school/university hours better. They're not able to link it to the global event because the date window starts on the release date. Is this something that could be widened to allow them to link to the global event or is there reasons for this? [11:37] head_victim: aye I can change the date for the release party [11:37] usually it;s the date of release onwards but can go before if needed [11:38] head_victim: what date? [11:42] They're doing it the 21st [11:43] http://is.gd/y1Ewmh [11:43] head_victim: altered it now [11:43] hope that helps [11:43] Appreciated greatly. [11:43] And it will add another event to the global count ;) === nothingspecial is now known as angela-android [11:45] lol === angela-android is now known as nothingspecial [12:03] head_victim: glad to see another launch party... still working on getting the details of New Yorks buttoned down. [12:06] cprofitt: our loco is up to 2 so far and I'm hoping to get a couple more around the place. [12:07] nice work... I had three locations at one point, but a deployment by the Navy and relocation of another member has caused me to lose the organizers of those [12:07] trying to rebuild the organizer 'role' this LP [12:07] Our loco (Australia) is so geographically diverse we need to try and do a few. [12:07] * cprofitt nods [12:07] Yep under the umbrella event now [12:07] Conversely we don't have enough active members to split the team up really all that well either. [12:09] Its really only been head_victim in the past two yrs in regards to offline events [12:09] head_victim sagaci - yeah... it is difficult to build other organizers... many are willing to attend, but get nervous about organizing [12:09] sagaci: we'll get there :) Once you string a few meetings together in the same vicinity people start to interact better. [12:10] +1 head_victim [12:11] We're starting to throw in mid release tech get togethers this year as well in one of the locations. Just to keep people interacting but not overwhelming them with time commitments. [12:11] * cprofitt nods [12:11] in my area that is a bit of an issue... we have a large number of tech related groups [12:12] Ah in mine, there is a couple but they are more social than anything and very hard to get into the social circles. [12:12] general CP user group, Python group, Perl group, Java group, Hackerspace, Linux User Group and the Ubuntu group [12:12] So when you provide a positive atmosphere newer people are happier to come along. [12:12] oh... and a 2600 group [12:18] How is the ubuntu group going [12:31] sagaci: right now it primarily does special events and helps augment existing groups [12:31] I did not want other groups to feel as though we were competing with them [12:32] Monthly we co-sponsor a Linux Workshop and I would say 90% of the folks that come for 'Linux Help' are Ubuntu users [12:32] so that works well [12:32] sagaci: is that what you meant? [12:33] Yep [12:33] Are you going to uds? [12:33] Yes, I will be at UDS [12:34] will you be there sagaci? [12:34] Yepskies [12:34] cool. [12:35] Cant wait. Its the epitome of any computery event [12:36] sagaci: it's actually very different than a show/expo [12:36] yeah... its a work session for the community [12:36] lots of fun, but lots of work [12:36] Yep I'm comparing it to linux.conf.au [12:37] Being ubuntu centric rather than linux as a whole === marcoceppi_ is now known as amithkk === amithkk is now known as ubuntu [12:41] sagaci: is this your first one? [12:41] Yep === ubuntu is now known as amithkk [12:42] Very nice!! [12:42] Should be awesome [12:42] just make sure you get enough sleep [12:44] nobody gets enough sleep === fenris is now known as Guest87935 === jalcine_ is now known as Guest63620 === webjadmin_ is now known as Guest24486 [12:53] mhall119, hola [12:53] hi jcastro [12:54] bkerensa, hah I think he's being overley picky [12:55] but it's all good, maybe today I'll have a chance to look at it and help out [12:55] Good afternoon :-) [12:55] Arvie [12:56] sagaci, south african ? [12:56] Australian [12:56] Ah ;) :) [12:56] How're you ? [12:56] :) [12:57] Not bad, what're you up to today [12:59] sagaci, not a great deal, just working on my new avatar for the ubuntu forums, want to see? [13:00] Im on a mobile device so I'll wait til later [13:00] Haha, probably wise :) [13:00] You up to much today? [13:02] Nah... about to head to bed [14:50] jcastro: Got the SSO link on front page but it errors out [14:50] need to get Stuart some logs will be IS about that [14:51] ok [14:52] We got project cool project that we are running on Ubuntu. It will scan tiff/jpg/png scans of paper ducuments and look for hidden/erased or text shadows and show them. Very CSI [14:53] setup of a better server for it today [15:58] dpm, you know who a hero is? asomething - he is just fantastic [15:58] https://code.launchpad.net/~andrewsomething/ubuntu-packaging-guide/i18n/+merge/97903 [15:58] alanBell: hey. I read about your quicklist-thing. Cool stuff. Why are you not in #ubuntu-app-devel? :) [15:59] I'll play around with it some more - hopefully we can merge it and ask folks to translate it [15:59] dholbach, that's really awesome! [16:00] dholbach, I still haven't changed the frequency of updates of the guide. Let me do it in a few mins... [16:00] dpm, and it looks like it was a royal pain in the ar.. to get it right [16:01] jo-erlend: um, because I don't do much app dev, I just got so frustrated at not being able to use my desktop I had to fix it! [16:01] :) [16:03] jo-erlend: where did you read about it? [16:03] AlanBell, I'd like my program to run subprocesses and then be able to switch between those windows. For instance, I open two instances of gnome-terminal and then my app switches between them for me. Will studying your code teach me how to do that? [16:04] possibly, not sure I understand the scenario though [16:04] alanBell; omgubuntu is going to publish an article about it, I think. I got an rss feed from them, but they removed the page afterwards. However, it contained a link to theopensourcerer.com [16:04] ok, thought it might be that, it turned up in my rss feed from there too, but there is no article [16:05] alanBell: well, I'm writing some stuff for Quickly. It uses Gedit for source, glade for ui design, bazaar for vcs, etc. I'd like a better way to switch between those windows. [16:05] oh I see, so you want to group a bunch of windows into a "task" or something and flick between them with ease [16:06] right. So, for instance, if i have two open quickly projects at the same time, if I want to edit one of them, it'll switch to the right instance of gedit. [16:06] * AlanBell likes this plan [16:06] so compiz used to have a plugin for grouping windows,not sure if that still works or not [16:07] I do too. The prototype was awesome, so I started development today. But how to do the window management is an unknown. When I read your post, I thought it might be a good starting point. [16:08] mhall119, that's not what I want to do. I want normal window handling, but I want to use the HUD so that entering "edit" will focus the GEdit instance for the currently active Quickly project. [16:08] oh... [16:09] this is not critical, but definitely something I want to have. [16:16] hmm, not sure the HUD will work like that [16:16] I have the group and tab compiz plugin, I have no idea what it does though [16:25] alanBell; the HUD part is working flawlessly. That's why I simplified it to simply say that my app creates two instances of a program and I want my app to switch between them. [16:26] ok [16:27] alanBell; is your thing able to distinguish between instances that way, or does it just list open windows without knowing anything more about it than the title? [16:28] hmm. I think I'll go read it. It'll probably be useful :) [16:31] it is based on windows [16:32] run dfeet to see the dbus stuff [16:32] jcastro: is OMG having problems with their rss/facebook linkage? [16:32] the documentation around unity is pretty rubbish, but once you understand dfeet it all becomes clear [16:33] jo-erlend: gedit /usr/bin/quicklists it is not that long :) [16:34] AlanBell: dpm and I are both hard at work improving the state of Unity documentation [16:34] great [16:35] as we speak, literally :) [16:38] mhall119, jcastro http://ploum.net/post/what-if-ubuntu-were-right [16:38] You'll find it interesting. [16:39] nigelb: you'll find I've already commented on it [16:39] HA [16:40] mhall119, what FB/rss linkage? [16:40] mhall119: I think his point about being a Canonical project is that, Canonical controls development and direction. [16:40] I'm not opposed. That's a great idea. [16:40] * jalcine clicks. [16:41] jcastro: jo-erlend saw something from them on RSS that isn't on their site, and there's a post on FB about an article that isn't on their site [16:41] oh, I've noticed he's been unpublishing sometimes [16:41] he should be sorted in an hour or two when we redeploy [16:41] nigelb: yeah, but even that isn't accurate (though it's much harder to get real metrics about) [16:41] the stock charm gave him old wordpress so he's been forced to do some weird things [16:41] ah, ok [16:41] but the new charm is slick ootb [16:42] mhall119: meh, I'm not talking about metrics. I'm talking about reality. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'd rather have Canonical controling the project tha it be a trollfest. [16:43] canonical is driving the project, sure [16:44] nigelb: there's a lot more community involvement in decisions than most people realize [16:44] but designers in GNOME don't exactly let you do what you want either. [16:44] jcastro: Yes, that's what I mean. [16:44] don't exactly? [16:44] it's not a company-specific thing [16:44] both have design-driven goals [16:44] more like "if it's not in my mind, it's not happening." [16:44] Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. [16:44] right, I personally think it's a good thing [16:45] but we're certainly not android [16:45] We are better than android. [16:45] Android has a different situation, no? [16:45] And also better than the other extreme. [16:45] sure, and no one really flames them [16:45] everyone is like "OMG ASOP IS OUT, YES!" [16:45] if we did it that way we'd get killed. [16:46] lol [16:46] either way, in unity even if you're Canonical you don't get what you want. [16:46] Mark dug dodge but it tested poorly, so out it went. [16:46] obviously. [16:47] even if you're Mark you don't get what you want (dodge) [16:47] right [16:47] heh [16:47] haha [16:47] it's like if you're going to say we're all about testing, then that includes your favorite pet features [16:47] What I'm trying to say is, this what I tell people who says Ubuntu should have used Gnome3. [16:47] I tell them, "so redhat can screw them around on gnome?" [16:47] that shuts most people up :) [16:47] and though this is a hard pill for some people to swallow, it's really what everyone has been asking for on their desktop for the past 15 years. [16:48] ^^ this [16:48] "I want expert people doing real user studies so I don't have a crap desktop" [16:48] some people are just losing the forest for the trees [16:48] People who I know used Windows for ages, now like Ubuntu better. [16:48] because when you want to do that you might lose things like focus follows mouse. [16:49] aww, I liked that feature ;-) [16:49] most people don't even care. My wife didn't notice unity at all [16:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C2W_O9BX4g [16:49] I keeping going to the speaker thing in mac and scroll. And the realize that it doesn't work on OS X. [16:49] as far as she was concerned the firefox icon got bigger [16:49] she still clicks on it and types "facebook" [16:49] heh [16:50] and for the experts well, I'll take the pepsi challenge on our keyboard shortcuts and multitasking features vs. 10.04 every day of the week. [16:50] You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need [16:50] http://decafbad.net/2012/03/06/ubuntu-global-jam-we-came-we-saw-we-jammed/#comments <- jcastro: and then there's this [16:50] by far the biggest hurdle Unity has is making people drop their bad-habits from other UIs [16:51] alanBell: quite helpful! Thanks :) [16:51] okay, back to work. I hve code to finish. [16:51] mhall119: +1 on that. [16:51] jcastro: I agree, GNOME Classic is a bit frustrating to use for multi-tasking [16:51] snap-l, ctrl-alt-t [16:51] if anything, it's upgrading the mental cycle of what a UI should be in order to promote affective computing. [16:52] I have to use Classic occasionally to make sure it still works [16:52] that guy is pumping his chest about the command line but using menus to get to it? I don't buy that. [16:52] jcastro: Feel free to post on that. ;) [16:52] I know he'll read it. ;) [16:52] ctrl-alt-t <3 [16:52] snap-l: or tap super and type "term" to see all your terminal choices [16:53] again, unlearning bad habits [16:53] dpm: mhall119: to be honest the documentation could consist of "please install d-feet, and connect to the session bus and look at com.canonical.*" [16:53] (I've had that binding forever anyway) [16:53] Lol [16:53] mhall119: Trust me, UNity is not going to make this guy happy at all [16:53] AlanBell: what is d-feet? [16:53] he has a stack of 486s in his basement that at some point will get used. [16:53] cntl+alt+t = termial too [16:53] pleia2, I am reasonably certain that binding has existed for all of ubuntu's existance [16:53] mhall119: it is a dbus browser [16:53] since we got it from gnome! [16:53] cprofitt: that's what we're referring to :) [16:53] snap-l: dear god man [16:53] yep [16:53] AlanBell: oh nice! [16:53] jcastro: I never used gnome :x [16:53] What, I don't know... hopefully for something other than heating. ;) [16:54] snap-l: just have him listen to the Rolling Stones... tell him they had it right [16:54] You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find you get what you need [16:54] snap-l, show him this: http://www.jorgecastro.org/2011/11/01/how-i-roll/ [16:54] Well, this guy can always, always hit Ctrl+Alt+F1 to F6 [16:54] jcastro: You have posting privs. ;) [16:54] no way man, I'm still on the hook for ccsm haters, this one is all you. [16:55] I am watching you jcastro ;) [16:55] lol [16:55] jcastro: lol, old yahoo, those were the days [16:55] jcastro: You're still on the hook for breaking wireless fwcutter [16:55] AlanBell, you fixed the major issues, I have no problems. [16:55] * snap-l hides. [16:55] :) [16:55] well I have problems with it, but at least now it's not so sucky. [16:56] anyway, ctrl-alt-t gets me to where I need to go, since I am now server guy [16:56] all unity flames go to mhall119 now [16:56] someone should do a little patch to it to allow it to start in an "only tinker with unity" mode [16:56] * mhall119 puts on his fire-suit [16:57] bring it [16:57] then myunity can drift off into a comfortable retirement [16:57] I think myunity is a fine tool for people who want to use it. [16:58] jcastro: http://www.dmoz.org/ is even still around [16:58] yeah I know it's written in basic or whatever [16:58] but the guy is actually working on something to make lives easier for people [16:58] so for that, thumbs up from me [16:58] jcastro: we can't have that [16:58] Hey wait [16:58] In that article, about Ubuntu being right, they say "Unity is a pure Canonical project like Android is a pure Google project" [16:58] Google bought Android and open-sourced it, didn't they? [16:59] they bought it, not sure if it was open source previously or not [16:59] either way, he meant the current state of things [16:59] ah, okay. [16:59] * jalcine continues. [17:01] now that I read an overwhelming number of ubuntu articles to prep for UWN I realize how widespread the belief that Canonical does everything is, at first I thought I should send corrections but apparently it tends to be intentional (even after correction, they won't change titles or conclusions drawn from incorrect facts) [17:01] yes, I get that all the time [17:01] "my bug fixed, thanks canonical!" "no, actually that was this guy over here." [17:02] buncha liars and crooks in the press ;) [17:02] propaganda in F/OSS? [17:02] so a while back I went to this lug and spoke [17:03] and I wanted to test my theory [17:03] so I didn't tell them who I worked for [17:03] I just said "ubuntu" [17:03] and then I did a talk and stuff [17:03] and watched how people reacted. [17:03] and then at the end I was like "thanks everyone for coming! I'll leave my cards here up front if you have questions" or whatever [17:04] troll :P [17:04] and then one guy was like "omg I didn't know you worked for canonical I wouldn't have said all those things about blah blah sucking." [17:04] it's like, thanks bro! [17:04] lol [17:04] hahaha [17:04] lolol [17:04] if it would have been volunteer time, then I'm fair game I guess. lol. [17:04] jcastro: then there's the other group that would have whined *more* if they knew you were Canonical [17:05] my lug sucks, lol [17:05] To be fair, I expected people to think "wait, you're CAnonica? Drat, I wouldn't have been so nice to you then" [17:06] I commented on this bug about taking a week to fix. [17:06] mhall119, sometimes that happens to me. [17:06] and the guy's like "WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU CANONICAL PEOPLE!?!?1111" [17:06] "oh hey so since you work at canonical I thought I'd bring this bug to your attention." [17:06] "Er, I'm not Canonical" "oh sorry! Carry on!" [17:06] I mean, what can I say to that other than "don't worry dude, my bugs are just as ignored as yours are." [17:07] lol [17:07] look at all the bugs you file about LP. :P [17:07] I had to fix bugs I really wanted to see fixed myself. ;-) [17:08] On a positive note, I'm glad I can do that. [17:09] jcastro, hehe :) [17:18] nigelb: https://launchpad.net/~not-canonical [17:18] bkerensa: *cough* I'm co-admin. [17:18] ;-p [17:18] This was before the times of not-canonical [17:19] O.o [17:19] the best part of ~not-canonical is "Former members" :) [17:20] lol [17:20] hahaha [17:20] pleia2++ [17:20] * nigelb looks at popey and czajkowski [17:20] nigelb: I had someone think I was canonical last week because the not-canonical logo looked too similar [17:21] jbicha: haha [17:22] pleia2: we have also had people announce they are leaving canonical by joining it :) [17:22] we did? [17:22] who? [17:22] wendar [17:22] ah [17:23] i deliberated so hard about when to quit that team ☺ [17:23] Wow. Talk about transparency. [17:24] popey, well it could be worse, you could have deleted it. [17:24] haha [17:24] lol [17:24] :p [17:26] poor popey you're never gonna get away from that slagging are you [17:27] * czajkowski had to wait till pleia2 was asleep and AlanBell not online, very hard time to find a nice time in those time frame! [17:27] I live vicariously through popey [17:33] just when I get the hang of LP a new issue comes up, and feel like a newbie again, LP is MASSIVE! [17:36] czajkowski: I'm admin too ;-) [17:36] So, you'll not find all 3 of us asleep. [17:36] alright, I'm calling it a day - see you all tomorrow [17:36] aye [17:36] g'nite dholbach! [17:37] bye :) [17:37] where's akgraner? It's odd to not have her around [17:44] mhall119: LinaroLand :D [17:52] what? they're not doing another connect right now are they? [17:56] hah, SURPRISE developer summit!!! [17:57] Lol [18:03] popey, x220 kernel, I think I found it. [18:03] but I need you to confirm if you can [18:04] jcastro: i haven't had the issue for ages [18:04] but sure, mine is idle at the moment, let me know what you need [18:06] that would have been awesome to have said in the bug report. [18:07] popey, stock precise kernel and you're not having the issue? [18:07] jcastro: i haven't had the issue for ages because I'm wired dude [18:07] if I had stuff to report, I would [18:08] oh, so it might still be an issue for you you just don't know? [18:08] yeah [18:09] plus when I did get it, it was very intermittent [18:09] * popey reboots and unplugs wired [18:10] yeah it takes me about 24 hours to test each kernel [18:10] we know the latest upstream kernel fixes it [18:10] we just need to know where in the process from precise kernel to pure-upstream that happened [18:11] ok, mine is on 3.2.0-19-generic now, what do you want me to test on it? [18:12] 136 updates [18:12] oh joy [18:12] I did 84 last night [18:12] \o/ fixes [18:12] wonder will it fix my power issue icon again [18:12] wassup with it? [18:12] it seems to come and go these days 3 weeks working 1 week fecked [18:13] when it's unplugged and discharging it's not shwowing it correctly [18:13] shows me 2 hrs left [18:13] then empty really fast [18:13] where as before it was a lot more gradual [18:15] bbiab need to EOD report [18:16] popey, the very last post he posts, has a link to the kernel I tested on [18:16] install it, boot into it, put in the bug if the wireless sucks [18:17] if it works awesome then just say that [18:17] and then we'll keep going [18:19] jcastro: wish I could help, but I no longer have access to an X220 -- is it a certain model of Intel wireless or just the Lenovo? [18:20] I think it's just the x220 [18:20] I am getting somewhere, it's just the cycle takes so long [18:33] Goodbye. [19:22] cjohnston: ping [19:23] hggdh: pong [20:04] LoCo Council meeting happening in #ubuntu-meeting [20:32] haha mhall119 engaging with the troll [20:34] where! [20:35] popey, URL [20:35] G+ [20:36] * nigelb goes to watch fireworks [20:36] https://plus.google.com/u/0/109919666334513536939/posts/H7UvL3bUuue [20:36]