[06:40] <mcbaine2> hi there..
[07:20] <mattt> waaaa
[07:26] <mcbaine2> hi mattt
[07:34] <mattt> mcbaine2: morning
[07:35] <mcbaine2> hi what your bang os spanners upto today ??
[07:35] <mcbaine2> **of
[07:35] <mcbaine2> **what's
[07:37] <mattt> huh?
[07:37] <mattt> try that one again
[07:38] <mcbaine2> bag of spanners means what topic of conversation for today about the internet ??
[07:55] <mattt> mcbaine2: i getcha
[08:24] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <MartijnVdS> Hm. Missed Dirk Gently yesterday
[08:31] <DJones> bigcalm: When you're around, do you mind a few questions about your xoom
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> DJones: I have a xoom, what do you want to know
[08:32] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Thanks, I was wondering how well they work, does it connect to ubuntu, have you had an update to Android 4.0
[08:33] <DJones> Does it work with streaming tv (ipleayer etc)
[08:34] <DJones> From what I can see, it should connect to ubuntu, seems like tehre were problems with 10.04, possibly fixed in later versions
[08:35] <DJones> ICS seems to be planned for march
[08:37] <DJones> Debating whether to get work to buy me oneAnd there's a website that I think uses java or flash (can't remember which) I could do with somebody testing to see if it works
[08:39] <DJones> And, last question, does it have teh full android market
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> DJones: I have ICS, and the full android market
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> DJones: I've re-flashed it with the US firmware (to get ICS early)
[08:40] <DJones> Thats a good start
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> Connecting to Ubuntu works in 12.04, but Banshee hangs sometimes
[08:41] <DJones> I probably wouldn't be botehr about banshee, more just transferring mp3s via nautilus
[08:42] <DJones> And video
[08:42] <MartijnVdS> that would work, but opening the folder for the first time is teh slow
[08:43] <DJones> Do you have yours to hand to check a website for me
[08:44] <diplo> Morning all
[08:45] <christel> morning pretties
[08:45] <AlanBell> christel: \o/
[08:45]  * DJones preens in the mirror
[08:45] <AlanBell> we need to sort out a pub lunch
[08:45] <christel> yes! we do
[08:45] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: popey: anyone else are you in the Farnham area on Friday for a lunch?
[08:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: This Friday could work. I'm on a session with some Dad's from the school in the evening so could just make a day of it :-)
[08:47] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Perhaps we could try and do some potential office views in the morning?
[08:47] <AlanBell> that sounds good
[09:04] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:05] <bigcalm> Good morning lovelies :)
[09:09] <bigcalm> DJones: 1) ICS isn't available to UK users yet, though I'm holding out for an OTA update rather than using an US ROM, 2) iPlayer works wonderfully :), 3) I don't bother to connect to a machine yet, 4) I've seen no firm dates for a UK ICS update :(, 5) Flash works 100% from my usage so far, 6) This is a big name brand tablet - full market as standard
[09:10] <bigcalm> DJones: what web site did you want testing?
[09:10] <DJones> bigcalm: Thanks, sounds promising, from what I'd read, ICS sounds like its due this month
[09:11] <bigcalm> davmor2 had me believing that it would be out early Feb
[09:11] <DJones> bigcalm: www.hifx.co.uk Then click on Marketwatch, then currency charts
[09:11] <bigcalm> I won't listen to speculation until I see it
[09:12] <bigcalm> Ok, one mo. Seems I turned it off last night
[09:14] <DJones> This is what I picked up on for ICS (March to May) it suggests http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/44455/motorola-ice-cream-sandwich-updates
[09:18] <DJones> The website should show a moving currency/exchange rate graph if it works
[09:19] <TheOpenSourcerer> Interesting review of Samsung ICS on the Galaxy SII vs CM9 http://www.osnews.com/story/25694/CyanogenMod_9_alpha_puts_Samsung_to_shame
[09:21] <bigcalm> DJones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_iDpcFU8qU
[09:24] <DJones> bigcalm: That just seemed to have some gray blocks for adding currencies, if you can see the "Currency charts" near the top middle of the screen, could you just try that for me, no need to video, all I'm hoping is that it shows a graph
[09:25] <bigcalm> Ah, I see that link now :)
[09:25] <DJones> Just realised, I can check it on my phone as well, that doesn't seem to be working
[09:26] <bigcalm> Blank area sorry
[09:26] <DJones> Just get a white space where it should be
[09:26] <DJones> Thanks for checking anyway#
[09:26] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: interesting, I have been checking for the official ICS upgrade, nothing available yet
[09:29] <DJones> bigcalm: Thats disappointing, that was my main argument for getting work to buy me one (not enough screen space on my desktop to have those on screen all the time), but luckily, there does seem to be a 3rd party app for that
[09:32] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :D
[09:44] <DJones> Is it bad when you're getting work to but a tablet for you and you make sure that all the things for personal use work first before checking that the thing you want it for for work will actually work
[09:46] <czajkowski> lol
[09:51] <oimon> went to soft play yesterday with my kid. achievement unlocked!
[09:52] <oimon> so much fun :D
[09:52] <DJones> oimon: Did the kid enjoy it though?
[09:52] <oimon> yes, him too
[09:52] <oimon> only a little more than me
[09:52] <oimon> probably the best daddy /son time you can have
[09:53] <oimon> until he learns to play football and program computers
[09:56] <balor> Waive VAT on #RaspberryPi epetition  - http://bit.ly/GApUUt
[09:57] <balor> czajkowski, is this where you hide now?
[09:57] <czajkowski> balor: hiya
[09:57] <czajkowski> balor: always been here
[09:57] <czajkowski> the religion politics disucssions elsewhere are a bit ott so I avoid at all costs
[09:58] <DJones> And we don't bite :)
[09:58] <christel> czajkowski loves a spot of religious politics!
[09:59] <czajkowski> christel: oh no this channel just takes it to the extreme.
[09:59] <czajkowski> balor: hows you?
[09:59] <czajkowski> how are the wee monsters?
[09:59] <balor> czajkowski, Good.  Got my PhD viva next week
[10:00] <balor> czajkowski, they're all good.  Now sleeping through the night
[10:00] <czajkowski> balor: ohh :D
[10:00] <czajkowski> balor: how old ar ethey now
[10:00] <gord> we should all have religiously fueled politics discussions about physics problems on the internet! that'll go well!
[10:00] <czajkowski> balor: real world job now ?
[10:00] <oimon> i watched pirates of silicon valley over the weekend - anyone seen it?
[10:00] <balor> czajkowski, I work in the real world.  I shield you guys from people you don't want to hire :)
[10:01] <czajkowski> balor: you teach them smart stuff yet ?
[10:01] <balor> czajkowski, yeah, we're pushing some interesting things.
[10:01] <balor> czajkowski, cluttermm for one.  And some Android stuff
[10:01]  * balor is now the clutter-box2dmm maintainer
[10:04] <czajkowski> balor: yay
[10:07] <popey> AlanBell: i can't. I have a funeral
[10:09] <AlanBell> ok, sorry to hear that
[10:14] <bigcalm> :(
[10:14] <oimon> google+ is suggesting i add popey 's obsoleted account to my circles
[10:15] <popey> my best friends mum ☹
[10:15]  * popey is getting to that age where there will only be more funerals
[10:16] <oimon> popey, :( it's depressing that there's some friends i know i'll only see next because of a death (boo) or a marriage (yay)
[10:18] <popey> oh joy, my desktop wont boot
[10:18] <popey> lots of "error: no such partition. "
[10:19] <bigcalm> Mobo again?
[10:19] <gord> hopefully just needs a drive reseat?
[10:19] <gord> my motherboards usbs are all shot apart from one or two ports. its usb hub city here
[10:20] <popey> this is my zoostorm desktop
[10:20] <popey> i was booted, did updates, rebooted, now this
[10:20] <bigcalm> Not healthy
[10:20]  * popey boots to bios
[10:20] <bigcalm> Bai bai
[10:21]  * popey has more than one pc ☺
[10:21] <bigcalm> Yay
[10:21] <popey> can see disks in bios
[10:24] <bigcalm> xulrunner wants to update. Whenever I see that it makes me think of 'There is no Dena, only Xool'
[10:24] <popey> guess i need a usb stick then
[10:24] <Nafallo> hmmm
[10:30] <oimon> popey seems to have a knack for breaking quite new hardware
[10:39] <popey> 5 computers on my desk, most work okay ☺
[10:41] <Nafallo> popey: only reason being that you can just use one at a time? ;-)
[10:41] <popey> ☺
[10:42] <Nafallo> right. I need to reboot so I can get my bluetooth back
[10:42] <Nafallo> bbiab
[10:46] <oimon> popey, how many have died in your arms in the last month or so? thinkpad, ipad, zoostorm?
[10:48] <popey> heh
[10:48] <oimon> maybe you shouldn't take them to bed with you
[10:49] <oimon> they get smothered
[10:49] <oimon> with love
[10:49] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:52] <popey> yes
[11:00] <oimon> another beautiful day in london
[11:06] <davmor2> morning all you funky people
[11:07] <davmor2> oh and czajkowski
[11:08] <bigcalm> Hi davmor2
[11:08] <bigcalm> Adam will be driving himself in this week (stuff to sell) so I don't have to worry about leaving early
[11:08] <bigcalm> The trouble is, I enjoy myself there too much and don't want to leave
[11:10] <Laney> ha "command from laney: echo [Happy Birthday Screen -- http://bit.ly/screen-bday]" when reattaching today
[11:12] <bigcalm> Laney: it's your b'day or is it screen's?
[11:12] <Laney> the latter
[11:12] <Laney> Mar 20 1987
[11:12] <bigcalm> I see
[11:12] <bigcalm> So young
[11:32] <oimon> anyone know about these fixed-rate ISAs? what happens when they mature?
[11:34] <oimon> answered my own question If we don't hear from you before your ISA matures we'll transfer your money to a new Instant Access ISA, this transfer will not count as a new ISA subscription so will not affect your annual allowance.
[11:38] <popey> hello feisar__
[11:38] <feisar__> hi
[11:38] <feisar__> how's things?
[11:38] <popey> tickety boo ☺
[11:39] <feisar__> still getting plenty of mentions on linux outlaws
[11:39] <popey> heh
[11:39] <popey> yeah, i was listening last night whilst on the train
[11:40] <feisar__> I haven't heard it recently I'll have to catch up
[11:40] <feisar__> I will be going live with 12.04 server for work soon
[11:41] <feisar__> I'm enjoying working on it, beta 1 seems very stable
[11:41] <DJones> feisar__: Do you mind a pm?
[11:42] <feisar__> no, go ahead
[11:42] <DJones> Thanks
[11:55] <bigcalm> PPTP VPN connection works via Network Manager, how would I set it up to work from the CLI?
[11:56] <Nafallo> bigcalm: nmcli ?
[11:56] <bigcalm> Nafallo: This will be from a RedHat Enterprise server
[12:01] <bigcalm> Ah, PPTP Client :)
[12:03] <bigcalm> Can you set up networking so that requests for 1 IP address get sent over the VPN while all other traffic goes via normal routes?
[12:16] <oimon> anyone using chromium, please open http://www.nationwide.co.uk/savings/default.htm and check system monitor for CPU
[12:18] <oimon> kills my CPU with firefox too :(
[12:18] <oimon> flash is awesome
[12:19] <gord> yeah plugin-container eats up 200% cpu here
[12:20] <oimon> suckamoto
[12:24] <arsen> nice :<
[12:26] <arsen> how is zoostorm stuff? seems to be fotm, got some people i need to recommend kit to
[12:29] <AlanBell> arsen: it is cheap, basic, mostly unbranded and comes without an operating system
[12:29] <AlanBell> works just fine, and is cheaper than building from parts
[12:35] <arsen> orly. nice.
[12:35] <directhex> where's the fun in that?
[12:37] <arsen> stressfre! till it breaks!
[12:37] <arsen> hi directhex :)
[12:37] <AlanBell> well still stress free as it is a nice big box with standard components in it
[12:38] <arsen> i dont have time to provide desktop support to family these days :<
[12:55] <s-fox> Hello :)
[12:58] <mattt> s-fox: ohai
[14:52] <popey> bug 960269
[14:54]  * oimon works in a basement office with a tiny window near the ceiling, but for one minute a day, at 2.52pm, if the sun is out, it shines onto me and my desk. i live for that moment.aahhhh
[14:55] <jacobw> lol
[14:58] <oimon> actually, i've found that if i slouch, i get a few more minutes
[14:58] <oimon> i dare not tell my colleagues, as there's no other windows in this office
[15:02] <arsen> lol oimon
[15:02] <arsen> very IT crowd.
[15:02] <oimon> :(
[15:02] <arsen> that's sucky, where are you?
[15:02] <oimon> there's even a server room very much like the IT crowd one right near my door
[15:03] <oimon> arsen, university , but tbh the IT guys always get the worst desks. there's bars on the windows
[15:03] <arsen> :(
[15:04] <arsen> i can probably see you from here, actually
[15:04] <arsen> sorry, i /whois'd :)
[15:04] <oimon> arsen, my old office had a view of the whole city
[15:04] <oimon> best office on whole campus
[15:05] <arsen> actually i can DEFINITELY see you from here
[15:05] <arsen> from my desk infact, thought id have to move
[15:05] <arsen> hah.
[15:05]  * oimon waves
[15:05] <oimon> arsen, where are you?
[15:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Step away from the localStorage - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2012/03/20/step-away-from-the-localstorage
[15:05] <arsen> tower42 :)
[15:05] <oimon> ah, i used to work in gherkin
[15:05] <arsen> yeh, my desk overlooks ye' ole' gherkin
[15:05] <oimon> so i could have waved to you, and you would have seen me
[15:06] <oimon> my desk was on  the side facing the tower 42
[15:06] <arsen> hah. winner.
[15:06] <arsen> what did you do there?:)
[15:07] <oimon> same as here. make stuff work and stop stuff from breaking.
[15:09] <oimon> linux stuff mainly
[15:09] <arsen> standard.
[15:12] <popey> bug 960288
[15:19] <aquarius> AlanBell, lol at the comments on your unity-window-quicklists thing. "Your problem is that you're managing windows when you should be using emacs!" :)
[15:19] <AlanBell> aquarius: indeed
[15:19] <AlanBell> I think OMG Ubuntu is about to do an article on it
[15:19] <aquarius> AlanBell, I applaud you for keeping your temper and saying "no, I'm fine, the solution is not to have some other app manage my editor windows for me" :)
[15:19] <AlanBell> just turned up in their RSS feed, but the article isn't there yet
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: Yesterday there were a lot or referrers from OMG: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/03/ubuntu-12-04-quicklists/
[15:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> 107 to be precise...
[15:23] <AlanBell> I think that was from the comments in that article, there is a new full article about them in the works
[15:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> yeah.
[15:24] <AlanBell> it is in the RSS feed, but not published, I think we will get several more referrers when that goes live
[15:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes.
[15:30] <DJones> All you need then is for somebody to reference the article from /.
[15:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> moar RAM required. We've been there before. In the OOXML wars
[15:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> 4,707 views on your busiest day, July 24, 2009
[15:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - no it was for this post: http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2009/07/21/getting-your-microsoft-tax-refunded-1010-for-amazon-uk/
[15:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> from /. & linuxtoday.com
[15:37] <DJones> I guess although its a pain on bandwidth/costs/keeping the site up & running, presumably it gives you a good feeling that people have an interest/opinion in what you're writing about
[15:47] <oimon> popey, how on earth did you wangle a new ipad
[15:47] <popey> i told them mine was broken
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> a #3 popey? http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/03/third-gen-ipad-operating-well-within-our-thermal-specifications-says-apple.ars
[15:49] <AlanBell> search referrers are funny
[15:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> 92.48°F phew.
[15:49] <AlanBell> we have had 21 hits for the search term "build openerp6.1on ubnatu" today
[15:50] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i expect a like-for-like replacement
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> I like the fact that Google passed 285 visitors to us. Bing has passed 5 (which is quite high for Bing)
[15:51] <DJones> What was broken on it? Guy at work broke his just out of warranty, apple wouldn't replace it for free, just gave him a big(ish) discount and wanted the old one back (cracked screen), he had to pay extra to retain it
[15:51] <oimon> is it true that an ipad 3 takes all night to charge?
[15:52] <popey> 7 hours from empty I saw reports of
[15:53] <oimon> wow
[15:54] <oimon> i heard they had made improvements in battery tech tho. i wonder if that's secret , or we'll all benefit eventually
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> oimon: It's just a big battery from what I read.
[15:54] <oimon> batteries in general need some serious improvements
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> made a bit smaller.
[15:54] <popey> yeah, for a big screen ☺
[15:55] <popey> the screen is omg-amazing
[15:55] <oimon> i read something else, but don't remember where
[15:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> What we need is graphene capacitors.
[15:56] <popey> bug 960327
[16:00] <gord> i wish popey would narrate all my bugs
[16:00] <popey> hah
[16:01]  * czajkowski shouldn't comment on popey G+ threads, they get lots of notifications
[16:01] <popey> ☺
[16:02] <oimon> TheOpenSourcerer, i see what you mean now. they've just made the battery more dense. probably leading to thermal problems. nothing too exciting
[16:03] <popey> wonder if ipad will arrive before lengthy flight to UDS
[16:03] <popey> can fill it up with films and telly
[16:03] <Laney> kindle++ for flights
[16:03] <gord> i generally just fill up the laptop, has enough battery for enough tv
[16:03] <popey> sophie has my kindle now
[16:03] <czajkowski> 10hrs nad 50 min flight
[16:03] <gord> and it stands up on its own
[16:04] <czajkowski> am not loking forward to sitting down for that long
[16:04]  * popey wonders who is on same flight as me
[16:04]  * popey wonders if tripit knows
[16:04] <TheOpenSourcerer> Go Virgin Upperclass. Sit at the bar :-)
[16:04] <gord> i'm guessing the entire design team
[16:04] <Laney> dunno what that is
[16:04]  * Laney is 14:10 on may 05
[16:04] <Laney> UA931
[16:05] <popey> BA285 on Apr 29th
[16:05] <czajkowski> tritpit++
[16:06] <czajkowski> 10:35am on May 5th
[16:06] <Laney> i don't have any trendy devices to use cool things like that
[16:06] <gord> i should really book my tickets
[16:06] <Laney> ah 10:35 was one i turned down because it would have meant travelling down to london the night before
[16:06] <Laney> never flown united to know if they are any good
[16:06] <bigcalm> gord: done your expenses yet? ;)
[16:07] <gord> bigcalm, you are confusing me with someone responsible
[16:07] <czajkowski> Laney: aye LHR is only about 30 mins from here really
[16:07] <bigcalm> Haha
[16:07] <Laney> nottingham is a bit further :(
[16:07] <czajkowski> indeed
[16:07] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what flight you on ?
[16:08] <gord> is half of #u-uk coming this time then?
[16:08] <Laney> when do we get a UK UDS again?
[16:08]  * TheOpenSourcerer was wondering that too. Not on our calendar yet.
[16:08] <Dave2> win 55
[16:08] <AlanBell> czajkowski: BA saturday morning
[16:08] <davmor2> Laney: never
[16:08]  * bigcalm is not going
[16:08]  * TheOpenSourcerer needs to know when 50% of the workforce are away on a jolly ;-)
[16:09] <AlanBell> :)
[16:09] <bigcalm> Yeah, 2 men companies (like the one I work for) can be a bugger when you want to take time off
[16:10] <AlanBell> 11:30 hrs 	
[16:10] <AlanBell> BA285
[16:10] <AlanBell> Saturday 5th
[16:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hopefully AlanBell will only represent 33% in the near future, then even less & less etc...
[16:10] <czajkowski> 10:35BST land at 13:25 PDT
[16:10] <gord> the goal being to make AlanBell irrelevant?
[16:11] <AlanBell> sounds like a good plan
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Get others to do the work. we get to go on more jollies.
[16:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[16:11] <Laney> i should probably shave before then
[16:11] <gord> \o/ jollies
[16:11]  * Laney shaggy
[16:12] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I land at 14:20 hrs
[16:12] <AlanBell> czajkowski: are you going to Oakland directly?
[16:13] <Dave2> 3 hours? That's a short flight.
[16:14] <AlanBell> and a 7 hour time difference :)
[16:14] <Dave2> I bet the flight back takes aaaages though
[16:14] <popey> Wifey asked if I was keeping the face fuzz too
[16:14] <czajkowski> AlanBell: eh ?
[16:15] <AlanBell> czajkowski: are you staying at the Mariott on the saturday
[16:16] <czajkowski> yup
[16:16] <davmor2> AlanBell: you get to go to UDS :'(
[16:17] <AlanBell> ok, I am staying in a hotel on the SF side of the bay, then going to Alcatraz in the morning
[16:17] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ah cool, am using it as a day of rest and doing diddly squat
[16:18] <Dave2> My memories of SF: "this is really quite cold". (This was when I was...9.)
[16:25] <Laney> I might go check out the Golden Gate
[16:25] <Laney> there looks to be a huge national park on the other side of it
[16:27] <tugrik> aw, SF is lovely... but I only made it to the Golden Gate bridge, not beyond
[16:28] <Laney> hmm I could hire a bike
[16:28] <tugrik> how long you there for?
[16:28] <Laney> week but only free on the sunday really
[16:31] <tugrik> then national park sounds good - but do Alcatraz if you've the time and money, with the audio tour too
[16:32] <tugrik> my experience is several years old, so I'm presuming it's as good - but the place has a definite eerieness about it
[16:52] <MartijnVdS> alcatraz is great, if you can make an evening tour it's better
[16:53] <tugrik> heh. middle of the day was bad enough
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> tugrik: they do extra "horror" stories and presentations at night :)
[16:57] <AlanBell> yeah, but I will be wide awake for the early tour
[16:58] <AlanBell> leaving at 9am local, which is 16:00 UTC
[16:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> I did the Alcatraz tour + audio. Was rather moving...
[17:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> The noise of the cell bars closing etc.
[17:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> Sanoma County - North side of the bridge has some great wineries :-)
[17:03] <gord> kind of annoying when i'm trying to find info on an issue and the one thread of hope is some forum post that ends with a moderator saying its in the wrong section
[17:13] <czajkowski> gord: was there any point into which section it was to go ?
[17:14] <gord> czajkowski, yeah, but without a link to the new topic it might as well be lost forever
[17:14] <czajkowski> gord: :(
[17:14] <czajkowski> perhaps s-fox could help
[17:14] <gord> czajkowski, wasn't on ubuntu forums or anything ;)
[17:14] <czajkowski> ah
[17:14] <czajkowski> nm so
[17:15] <czajkowski> hmm need to esta wavier
[17:15] <czajkowski> last one is out of date
[17:15] <s-fox> Nothing to do with us, sorry gord
[17:17] <nothingspecial> you have a problem with a forum thread gord?
[17:18] <nothingspecial> ooops sorry :)
[17:19] <gord> yes, please fix a random website on the internet for me!
[17:20] <nothingspecial> I was in the middle of a couple of other things and the conversation had moved on by the time I asked :D
[17:38] <popey> czajkowski: ooh! i think i had to do one for florida so I should be okay
[17:39] <czajkowski> popey: lasts for 2 years so yeah you shuold be my last one was free this one is gonna cost
[17:39] <czajkowski> also need to book some heathrow express tickets
[17:40] <czajkowski> have a few trips to airport and at 15% cheaper online - smart move!
[17:45]  * popey wonders if davmor2 is testing features in USC
[17:46] <davmor2> popey: not at all
[17:46] <davmor2> popey: I'm testing Ubuntu Application Directory :P
[17:46] <popey> heh
[17:47] <popey> where?
[17:47] <davmor2> popey: the live version is at apps.ubuntu.com
[17:47] <popey> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/search/oneiric/?q=porn
[17:47] <popey> that works then]
[17:48] <davmor2> popey: yeap
[17:48] <popey> should I be able to see non-english reviews?
[17:48] <popey> or is that a bug?
[17:49] <davmor2> popey: although I blame chrisccoulson I'm pretty sure he had a fix to call it kittenview
[17:50] <popey> where do I file bugs against this website?
[17:51] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i've still got the patch for pornview on my machine ;)
[17:52] <chrisccoulson> trying to keep p0rn separate from work though. don't want to end up doing this: https://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-dev/browse_thread/thread/d30ae1c692ff53c3?pli=1
[17:52] <popey> indeed
[17:52] <davmor2> popey: I'd wait to be honest there is a huge rollout going to happen shortly that has a load of changes but after that feel free to hit it at https://bugs.launchpad.net/application-web-catalog
[17:54] <popey> I'll file a bug otherwise I'll forget
[17:55] <popey> what the hell.. there wer 4 reviews just now, now there's 3
[17:57] <davmor2> popey: people are constantly monitoring the reviews to be sure that they are valid and abide by the COC-ish rules
[17:57] <davmor2> popey: that or it is playing with your head :D
[18:04] <Azelphur> ali1234: on this maplin multi voltage thing, I just set voltage to the same as the output on the logitech plug (5v) and positive to the pin right?
[18:04] <Azelphur> don't need to find a switch for amps or something
[18:05] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: the current isn't important, as long as the power supply has a higher rating than the thing you want to power
[18:05] <Azelphur> yea this new one does like 2500mA or something old one does 500
[18:06] <gordonjcp> just get the voltage right and the current will sort itself out
[18:06] <Azelphur> cool :)
[18:06] <Azelphur> seems to work, hopefully this will stop my keyboard continually boot looping
[18:06] <gordonjcp> keyboard/
[18:06] <gordonjcp> ?
[18:07] <Azelphur> yea I have a fancy gaming keyboard with an LCD display on it
[18:07] <Azelphur> but Logitech cheaped out on the PSU, so it keeps boot looping
[18:07] <gordonjcp> heh
[18:12] <Azelphur> well, there goes that plan, this supply causes it to boot loop too :(
[18:12] <Azelphur> only much quicker
[18:13] <Azelphur> which is annoying because the old supply is 2.4 and this is 2.5
[18:13] <Azelphur> :<
[18:14] <gordonjcp> should be close enough
[18:14] <Azelphur> the goal was for it to be a tad more, the stock power supply doesn't give it enough power, it's a known issue
[18:14] <Azelphur> silly G19 :(
[18:27] <Azelphur> wow, ##linux is stupid, they disallow any talk of torrents, at all
[18:29] <Azelphur> WildPikachu: If I had someone discussing torrents in general, I would pm them, then +q if they continued || mosno: WildPikachu, even if you had no reason to suspect that there was unlawful use? || WildPikachu: yes, I would make them very aware that while they are not being accused of doing anything unlawful the discussion around torrents is highly discouraged
[18:29] <Azelphur> or in my case, I got instantly kicked for even mentioning it
[18:30] <Azelphur> last thing I'd expect from a linux channel, absolutely ridiculous
[18:32] <Azelphur> I wish there was some way we could take the channel off of that guy, he really shouldn't have control over ##linux with an attitude like that
[18:32] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[18:33] <lazarus_> im trying to follow this guide with no luck http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8699742&postcount=537
[18:33] <Azelphur> ?elaborate | lazarus_
[18:33] <Azelphur> doooh, wrong trigger :P
[18:33] <Azelphur> !elaborate | lazarus_
[18:34] <lazarus_> Azelphur: im trying to root my cell under linux following that guide
[18:34] <Azelphur> well yea...I gathered that much
[18:34] <Azelphur> as I said, Please give more detailed information, errors, steps
[18:35] <lazarus_> there is a part which mentions some dependacies to get adb working and i cand seem to install them
[18:36] <directhex> "a part" meaning the first line?
[18:36] <lazarus_> lib32ncurses5 and lib32stdc++
[18:37] <Azelphur> lib32stdc++ seems to have been renamed to lib32stdc++6
[18:37] <directhex> it will never have existed without the soname.
[18:37] <directhex> that guide is full of package name errors
[18:39] <popey> directhex: game.co.uk have a load of games pre-owned for a few quid, any reason not to get a few?
[18:39] <lazarus_> i get no results when i look for them in synaptic
[18:39] <Azelphur> lazarus_: what phone do you have btw?
[18:40] <lazarus_> samsung gt 15500
[18:40] <lazarus_> running android 2.2.1
[18:41] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:41] <lazarus_> am i missing somthing
[18:41] <Azelphur> lazarus_: I told you what the package name was?
[18:42] <lazarus_> i get no hits in synaptic tho
[18:42] <Azelphur> what Ubuntu version are you on?
[18:42] <lazarus_> 11.10 32bit
[18:43] <Azelphur> !info lib32stdc++6
[18:43] <directhex> popey: as long as they're not crap
[18:43] <Azelphur> lies? :O
[18:44] <directhex> http://packages.ubuntu.com/oneiric/lib32stdc++6
[18:44] <Azelphur> what's up with that lol
[18:44] <popey> directhex: yeah, reading reviews
[18:44] <popey> directhex: wow, perfect dark was that bad?
[18:44] <directhex> popey: or you could ask me
[18:44] <Azelphur> popey: you have an outdoor camera setup right? My friend wanted to set up some surveillance on the cheap do you have any recommendations? :)
[18:45] <popey> Azelphur: recommendations for what?
[18:45] <Azelphur> software / hardware
[18:45] <lazarus_> but installing this would make no sense as its packaged for 64bit
[18:45] <Azelphur> ie, specific cameras, what software do you use, that sort of thing
[18:45] <popey> i use a logitech pro 9000, and webcam
[18:46] <Azelphur> for outside? :o
[18:46] <Azelphur> doesn't it get rained on
[18:46] <popey> its not outside
[18:46] <Azelphur> ah
[18:46] <popey> directhex: gears of war 2, alone in the dark, bioshock, fallout new vegas
[18:46] <popey> "Total to pay £14.92"
[18:47]  * lazarus_ owns gears 1,2,3 woop
[18:47] <lazarus_> i bought them for £10 each
[18:47] <directhex> popey: AitD is rather meh
[18:47] <directhex> popey: the rest are good
[18:47] <popey> cool
[18:47] <popey> ta
[18:48] <popey> CoD?
[18:48] <popey> any of them?
[18:48] <popey> MW2?
[18:50] <AlanBell> popey: did that get rebuilt as kittyview?
[18:50] <popey> 17:51:53 < chrisccoulson> yeah, i've still got the patch for pornview on my machine ;)
[18:51] <directhex> popey: i don't think anyone plays CoD for the singleplayerr
[18:51]  * AlanBell thinks chrisccoulson should commit the patch
[18:52] <chrisccoulson> AlanBell, i was going to. but one of my colleagues pointed out that if i provoked people on unity-design that i might get told off by mark ;)
[18:53] <AlanBell> don't post it there then, just quietly put the patch through
[18:54] <AlanBell> it isn't a design issue, or about unity
[19:03] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: any way to turn off the irritating annoying stupid bell noise on thunderbird when you delete folders?
[19:03] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: evening
[19:08] <chrisccoulson> hi czajkowski
[19:09] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i've ever heard that :)
[19:09] <czajkowski> try deleting a folder :)
[19:09] <czajkowski> found the turn off button for new mail that awas annoying
[19:11]  * AlanBell wonders how you delete folders often enough for it to be annoying, don't think I have ever deleted one
[19:12] <popey> i have never deleted one either
[19:12] <popey> made _loads_ :D
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: I made my Thunderbird not check mail unless I tell it to
[19:12] <popey> loving these cheap prices of xbox games, and minimal money going to microsoft :D
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> That helped a lot :)
[19:13] <jacobw> mail clients should be silent
[19:13] <davmor2> chrisccoulson: any way to  stop TB warning you that you are changing folder and sending out the error bong when you hit n to get to the next unread message?
[19:16] <czajkowski> davmor2: ohb yes
[19:16] <Azelphur> well, this is disappointing, ##linux blocks all discussion about torrents whether legal or not, I've been to channel and network ops, and can't seem to get anything done about it :/
[19:17] <Azelphur> for example yesterday I went there and asked for a recommendation for a Linux torrent client and got kicked without warning.
[19:18] <davmor2> Azelphur: don't mention the word torrent then
[19:18] <Azelphur> haha
[19:18] <Azelphur> just seems so stupid and backwards baring in mind it's how most Linux distros distribute their isos
[19:19] <Azelphur> and I hate the whole "all torrent use = piracy" thing, baring in mind there's so much free good content out there now :/
[19:21] <davmor2> Azelphur: but at the same time "Linux" can't be seen to be encouraging use of torrenting because the word does conjure up the whole illegal part it's a lovely catch 22
[19:22] <Azelphur> I think the opposite tbh, Linux should be encouraging the use of torrenting
[19:22] <gordonjcp> like World of Warcraft does
[19:22] <Azelphur> exactly
[19:22] <Azelphur> By discouraging torrenting, all your doing in effect is stamping on the little guy
[19:22] <davmor2> Azelphur: Distro's Can,  Linux can't that's the difference
[19:23] <popey> Azelphur: what do you want to torrent?
[19:23] <Azelphur> popey: haha, I already got my question answered elsewhere, I read about utorrents video streaming feature and thought it'd be cool to have something native that does it, it seems that tribbler does :p
[19:24] <davmor2> Azelphur: don't forget Linux as a kernel is never really bit torrented,  but to save on a distro's bandwidth they tend to ask you to and actively encourage it
[19:24] <Azelphur> davmor2: *shrug* I don't see why Linux can't
[19:26] <davmor2> Azelphur: because linux is a kernel and isn't torrented and linux is trying to promote itself to good old wholesome business that never do anything illegal at all ever honest gov'nor
[19:26] <Azelphur> popey: that said you do know me, I am a self admitted pirate, but at the same time I use my torrent client for lots of legal stuff too, I do download my Linux distros via torrent, and watch various free licensed shows (pioneer one, the yes men) via torrents.
[19:27] <Azelphur> davmor2: ##linux is "We provide help and support for any Linux distribution"
[19:28] <Azelphur> "Discussion about the various aspects of Linux and Free/Open source software is also encouraged" -- except torrent clients apparently :D
[19:28] <Azelphur> those are quotes from the front page of their website, btw
[19:31] <jacobw> bittorrent is a networking topic :|
[19:32] <jacobw> the linux kernel is primarily used for.. networking!
[19:32] <Azelphur> haha
[19:32] <hamitron> asking about bit torrent clients that run on linux.... seems fair enough asking linux users if you ask me ;)
[19:32] <Azelphur> shame freenode won't do anything about it though :(
[19:32] <davmor2> jacobw: I thought it was less networking and more beer drinking to be honest
[19:33] <Azelphur> hamitron: yea, that's exactly what I did when I got kicked...I was like what o.O
[19:33] <ali1234> ##linux is an awful channel
[19:33] <hamitron> most linux channels are from my experience.... this channel seems an exception
[19:33] <Azelphur> ali1234: agree'd I usually only go there if I have a question and it's like 4am in the morning and everyone in here is asleep xD
[19:34] <Azelphur> Indeed, I love this channel, it's one of the best (If not the best) large channel I've seen
[19:34] <ali1234> every time i go to ##linux i find someone calling someone else "noob" in order to cover up their own lack of knowledge
[19:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: haha
[19:35] <ali1234> also ##linux isn't about linux the kernel, we have #kernel for that
[19:35] <ali1234> or ##kernel i forget which
[19:36] <hamitron> what is with all the multi-hash?
[19:36] <hamitron> :/
[19:36] <Azelphur> ## = unofficial
[19:36] <hamitron> ah
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> they're on more hash
[19:36] <hamitron> :)
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> which also explains the behaviour
[19:36] <Azelphur> LOL
[19:59] <popey> Azelphur: noob!
[19:59] <Azelphur> popey: NO U.
[19:59] <Azelphur> popey: did you see the spoutcraft client for minecraft btw?
[19:59] <popey> no
[20:00] <Azelphur> basically...you should use it, it's all round better.
[20:00] <Azelphur> 30-50% performance increase, lots more config options
[20:00] <popey> however I did see on xbox marketplace about eleventybillion minecraft clones
[20:00] <Azelphur> includes latest libraries to fix the sticky keys bug >.>
[20:00] <Azelphur> it's not a clone, it's a fork of the client
[20:01] <Azelphur> they are just fixing loads of things that mojang doesn't fix, it's really quite nice
[20:01] <popey> neat
[20:01] <Azelphur> and maintains compatibility with vanilla servers of course
[21:10] <diplo> evening all
[21:18] <diplo> Quiet  in here :)
[21:19] <bigcalm> Boo
[21:20] <diplo> :P
[21:30] <diplo> Got to say I do like Cinnamon
[21:32] <bigcalm> Why so?
[21:33] <jacobw> It's very tasty
[21:34] <diplo> Partially i guess win7 feel
[21:35] <diplo> It's smoother
[21:35] <diplo> Quicker than unity ( 11.10 )
[21:35] <bigcalm> Oh, you weren't talking about something you eat?
[21:36] <jacobw> Er, 'win7 feel'?
[21:37] <jacobw> What is that?
[21:37] <diplo> :)
[21:37] <diplo> Well for a lot of users it's going to be a easier transition
[21:37] <diplo> + I don't mind Win7 tbh
[21:40] <jacobw> How long will it be maintained for? Where is it going?
[21:41] <jacobw> I wouldn't want to move a group of users on to a platform that's just not gnome-shell or unity
[21:41] <popey> GNOME 2 (2 panel) failed to gain traction for the last what 10 years
[21:41] <popey> fail to see how cinnamon will fix that
[21:41] <popey> it's fine for nerds, not for my mum
[21:42]  * jacobw is planning a migration from gnome2 to unity
[21:43] <Azelphur> I like unity myself, although I don't use it, it is refreshing to see people trying to change the status quo on desktop layout
[21:43] <Azelphur> Perhaps when it's more polished I may switch to it
[21:44] <jacobw> It's been around for a while now..
[21:44] <Azelphur> last time I checked it still falls over and dies with separate X screens, which rules me out
[21:44] <bigcalm> popey: has any of your nerd powers rubbed off on your mum yet?
[21:45] <popey> no
[21:45] <popey> upgraded her to 12.04
[21:45] <popey> not had a single call about the computer yet
[21:45] <daubers> "nerd powers">
[21:45] <daubers> ?
[21:47] <Azelphur> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bAVQaYX8ybA/TQyhvPE9PeI/AAAAAAAAAw4/PqrhlTwGzXw/s400/superhero-nerd-cartoon-character.png
[21:47]  * Azelphur runs
[21:57] <diplo> Going to use unity when i upgrade my pc to 12.04
[22:05] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Kubuntu Active on ARM - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4546